The Accidental Tech Podcast

37: A 3,000-Word Digression


00:00:00   you you guys are failed I see something about transporter in the FU do we want [TS]

00:00:06   to talk about that or do not care that's where the follow-up to this be as quick [TS]

00:00:10   i three and we were talking about transport I may be used during an add-on [TS]

00:00:15   up a show mentioning the lights and it was marco was then the lights blue LED [TS]

00:00:19   lights are going on on devices this is be cool 8 well you can apparently turned [TS]

00:00:24   lights off on transport so if you are one of those people who doesn't like [TS]

00:00:27   lights on your electronics and you get a transporter roundly condemn in turn off [TS]

00:00:32   the lights I don't think like that bad but then again mine is also in the [TS]

00:00:36   basement so there you go [TS]

00:00:38   speaking of retina man John that thing in your review here if you how you how [TS]

00:00:45   you found that the default wallpaper is exactly two x the current 27 inch Cinema [TS]

00:00:50   Display is resolution quite a coincidence that's that's painful man [TS]

00:00:55   thats so painful cuz now you look like all the pieces are in place I was [TS]

00:01:00   treated with all the pieces are in place to have a Retina Display except having [TS]

00:01:06   display like the computers now supported Thunderbolt to his fast enough to GPUs [TS]

00:01:11   are insanely fast all these new models and and there's clearly a [TS]

00:01:15   differentiation here whereas you know assuming it would need to be able to the [TS]

00:01:21   new MacBook Air still can't do it they don't happen double to right and that's [TS]

00:01:25   that's right isn't it I think that the only computers apple has announced with [TS]

00:01:28   honorable to are the new Retina MacBook Pro and Mac Pro so it will be [TS]

00:01:34   interesting and it would certainly I i've decided now looking at looking at [TS]

00:01:39   what's be released unless the benchmarks show some kind of massive gains an [TS]

00:01:44   application I actually use on the new Mac Pros I think I'm going to wait and [TS]

00:01:49   not buy a new Mac Pro until there is a right and desktop display because I am [TS]

00:01:54   just not gonna see enough of the gain from you know just the CPU site alone [TS]

00:01:58   just historic site alone like I already have a good CPU a good as nasty but what [TS]

00:02:04   I really want is that display and until it existed I'm gonna hold off thats [TS]

00:02:09   gonna be great clam chowder I'm looking forward to that [TS]

00:02:12   resolve holtzman when I get mind about how awesome things like what like what [TS]

00:02:18   you're really gonna get me and you know if I get it before then [TS]

00:02:21   now it makes sense we're just a question your ability to act rationally I might [TS]

00:02:26   not i mean that's that's certainly a valid question and you might be right [TS]

00:02:29   and I you know this might be being played back at some point later and [TS]

00:02:34   laughing at me but i just i think if you already have a 2010 Mac Pro there's not [TS]

00:02:42   a major reason to upgrade for just the CPU performance want to see you know how [TS]

00:02:49   how quickly applications take advantage of those GPUs that could really make a [TS]

00:02:53   big difference I don't expect that most of the apps that I use will really do [TS]

00:02:59   much with that but we'll see I could be wrong about that [TS]

00:03:01   your Mac Pro might prove probably actually be better four games than the [TS]

00:03:04   new expensive on then I'm going to buy because I could take out the video card [TS]

00:03:07   that you have in and buy aftermarket card and you know he's gotta find CPU [TS]

00:03:12   fast as day and then I would put in the fastest gaming card available that might [TS]

00:03:17   have better gaming compromise the obscenely expensive Mac Pro but it [TS]

00:03:20   wouldn't be black and cylinder shaped his one fan so you know and you see that [TS]

00:03:24   read one that's in the charity auction for the for profit for product red it's [TS]

00:03:28   kind of like a ride rather have a black one [TS]

00:03:33   see i like it a lot might my reason for hesitating on bidding on an auction is [TS]

00:03:39   that I don't know what the specs on the Mac Pro [TS]

00:03:41   the thing starts at 140 grams and the reason you're not beating is because [TS]

00:03:47   you're not clear what the insides are i think thats I think that it says [TS]

00:03:51   estimated range 40 to 60 grand does that mean that the first bit has to be forty [TS]

00:03:55   granted that mean that's what they expected to go for I've never been that [TS]

00:03:59   serious about an auction of this capacity to eat the answer to that [TS]

00:04:03   question I don't know either but if I could put in a bid for like three [TS]

00:04:07   thousand bucks Debbie it's not it's not entirely crazy because items like this [TS]

00:04:12   one of a kind of a blah would probably retain their resale value so even if you [TS]

00:04:17   spent an obscene amount of money on this you could in theory get that money back [TS]

00:04:21   even after the computer is obsolete simply selling it as [TS]

00:04:24   a one of a kind Mac Pro blah blah blah officially sanctioned like an [TS]

00:04:29   aftermarket modern something so it should remain as they like you know [TS]

00:04:33   right up to the Mac Pro comes out is like color where or when the company is [TS]

00:04:36   gonna start an energizing service that just let anybody use for like a thousand [TS]

00:04:40   bucks probably but the big problem is they don't tell you the specs on the Mac [TS]

00:04:44   Pro and so like if I'm if I would actually win this thing for a reasonable [TS]

00:04:48   price I would at least wanna know you know what what CPU doesn't have to [TS]

00:04:53   that's something you can't change right [TS]

00:04:54   GPUs care less about but like doesn't have the base model CPU it so that's [TS]

00:04:59   kind of crappy for that price but if it has the 12 core that's actually worse [TS]

00:05:04   for single-threaded tasks than the eight core I wouldn't want that either I don't [TS]

00:05:10   know this is all probably ridiculously move discussion because I don't think I [TS]

00:05:14   can get a free $1,000 [TS]

00:05:16   I do want to get this review we have any other if you do we know what about us [TS]

00:05:21   703 and Johns motion sickness yeah this we should talk to us last week but I [TS]

00:05:29   installed the Sun another update I knew it was going to bring in people don't [TS]

00:05:33   know if the 703 update changes that so that if you go into the accessibility [TS]

00:05:38   preferences and turn on reduced motion it doesn't just removed the parallax [TS]

00:05:43   effect on the homescreen the parallax effect on public dialogue boxes it also [TS]

00:05:47   removes the zooming animation when you launch applications and when you go back [TS]

00:05:52   to springboard and everyplace is an animation with a crossfade and I always [TS]

00:05:58   had a discussion on from the second I installed I was younger I can't stand [TS]

00:06:01   the parallax the worst thing about the parents thing is my chosen lock screen [TS]

00:06:06   image picture of my dog dog dog died but yeah that's my lock screen image because [TS]

00:06:15   it's like a tiebreaker between like in my two kids MyLife everything would go [TS]

00:06:18   with the dog when you have power locks on it has to assume the image to zoom in [TS]

00:06:24   you know like so so we can do the parallax thing but there's not enough [TS]

00:06:27   background as a very tight close-up of my dog's face is not enough background [TS]

00:06:31   around it and when term power consumers damaged too much like shops offices on [TS]

00:06:36   the side of the screen so that's no good so I can't have that I definitely don't [TS]

00:06:39   and I don't like the parallax all I don't like the effect I don't like the [TS]

00:06:43   little dialogue around one thing and so I got the same like I also tried just [TS]

00:06:48   you know 703 up they'll get it and I knew it was going to reduce or eliminate [TS]

00:06:53   the swimming thing with the crosshair my call me to make my thing feel faster [TS]

00:06:57   right now the first thing is I'm not even sure that the duration of the [TS]

00:07:01   animation is any shorter I haven't actually time did but the feeling was [TS]

00:07:07   like they're still in animation is thought crossfade is it is it less time [TS]

00:07:11   than the zoom animation maybe it's the same amount of time I don't know you [TS]

00:07:15   know people keep asking me about that I think about it too I haven't tested it I [TS]

00:07:21   really don't want to test it you know just somebody like somebody with two [TS]

00:07:26   iPhone 5 vs point one of the other one take a video and and tested both ways [TS]

00:07:31   I'm curious to know the answer but not so curious about actually do that yes [TS]

00:07:36   but it does doesn't it does doesn't feelings and tease alright but the [TS]

00:07:40   second thing is I found that I miss the zooming because the zooming for all of [TS]

00:07:45   its you know slight motion sickness inducing feeling that I and by the way I [TS]

00:07:49   had that you know very early on I just learned you learn where to look it was [TS]

00:07:52   only because it's unexpected right now I knew I was gonna work that zooming [TS]

00:07:56   animation was like the the thing that made I was 7 feel like I was seven to me [TS]

00:08:03   and it was fun and it was interesting and it made me feel like I'm using I was [TS]

00:08:07   like that's why that's why associated with experience that we're not [TS]

00:08:12   consequence whenever and their dialogues and stuff and when it was gone I missed [TS]

00:08:16   it and in its place I didn't get ok well I miss D animation but it's so much [TS]

00:08:20   faster I got kind of boring maybe slightly faster but I can't even tell I [TS]

00:08:26   don't like the crossfade and so now I wish there was a way to turn the zooming [TS]

00:08:30   back on but keep the parallax off and this is like you know that this way lies [TS]

00:08:35   madness where it's like ok well we had an option to reduce motion but now some [TS]

00:08:38   people in this part of the motions ok this Parliament like this is kind of an [TS]

00:08:43   unhappily kinda [TS]

00:08:43   thing to do where you really something like this is our statements to Prague [TS]

00:08:46   but then you have to put in some option to turn some stuff off because there are [TS]

00:08:49   some legitimate issues with that and then you start tweaking that option and [TS]

00:08:53   it's just like it would be better if you could come up with one interface that [TS]

00:08:56   everybody likely to be has a problem with kind of like the original IOUs [TS]

00:08:58   where there were these motion sickness problems that weren't options like turn [TS]

00:09:02   off zooming or whatever the effects were when you go back and forth springboard [TS]

00:09:05   they nailed it better with that whereas I was seven seems to have more rough [TS]

00:09:09   edges and they like trying to figure out the balance of ok well have a switch to [TS]

00:09:13   turn off and have this thing to adjust that I i'm not in favor of them adding a [TS]

00:09:17   thousand options like a pic which parts of the motion you like I like the [TS]

00:09:20   parallax but I don't like $9 bucks I just like the last thing I want to say [TS]

00:09:23   it unlock screen or one that you can't do that right they have to just go with [TS]

00:09:27   one thing so in the end the messing with my wallpaper in the stupid generally [TS]

00:09:32   parallax annoys me more than I miss assuming but I really really do miss [TS]

00:09:36   assuming in fact if I could pick myself I would say keep the zooming in like [TS]

00:09:40   make it twice three times as fast and and that would make me happier on Monday [TS]

00:09:45   twice going to reduce the duration and doesn't mean like to hire promise not to [TS]

00:09:49   do that would it really make you happy [TS]

00:09:52   you know happier so that's all that surprised me about 70 300 guys feel [TS]

00:09:57   about it he did you upgrade 2703 and did you do you have reduced motion on animal [TS]

00:10:03   I did have it on be in 70 to an earlier I had an unjust because I just didn't [TS]

00:10:10   care about the parallax and there was a weird bug with the parallax we're like [TS]

00:10:14   if you if you launch an app in a certain orientation and annually to the phone [TS]

00:10:19   back of it closed the app goes back springboard for a split second it would [TS]

00:10:23   show the old position of the parallax and then update the new ones he'd see [TS]

00:10:27   like one wrong freemen jump to the next one that was just a stupid imitation bug [TS]

00:10:32   eyed see that as well and I like I don't like seeing graphics and move I don't [TS]

00:10:36   you know think should be moving like the dialog box assembly it's not it's not a [TS]

00:10:40   convincing the 3d effect is not convincing because the background for [TS]

00:10:44   round like this no actual parallax is trying to fake it with you know shifting [TS]

00:10:48   the background but to me it just click the Shipping with that because that is [TS]

00:10:51   what they're doing like it looks flat to me you know in the videos they show [TS]

00:10:55   looking like the icons are flooding but the screen but the illusion is not [TS]

00:10:58   maintained for me so all is basically making graphics like 110 the Raynham [TS]

00:11:03   from the pixel grid right thing they should be pinned down for no great [TS]

00:11:06   effect vs the zooming animation which i think really does provide kind of like a [TS]

00:11:09   sense of space where you are and sort of you know going with the different layers [TS]

00:11:14   it's not more so than any other living things I think the zooming in and out [TS]

00:11:17   from applications totally works to provide you with a three-dimensional [TS]

00:11:21   sense of space of where things are on the phone and I miss it when I have [TS]

00:11:24   intentionally not upgraded my iPad because of that it's my last class [TS]

00:11:28   bashing consuming I did see somebody who was with 73 and the crossfade enabled [TS]

00:11:39   and the very first time I saw that person would return to the home screen [TS]

00:11:44   from a nap I thought oh god that's terrible and I completely agree with you [TS]

00:11:47   that that zoom does give you a sense of place and I think it's kind of important [TS]

00:11:54   to the whole layered approach to Iowa 17 I should say we had some real time polyp [TS]

00:11:58   from a very reliable source that says the speed the animation speed duration [TS]

00:12:04   as you're saying is no different for the crossfader name no different 703 was fun [TS]

00:12:10   I did hear from a few people that that it is different on the iPhone 4 and for [TS]

00:12:15   us that because the devices are some a lot of people who have had those devices [TS]

00:12:20   told me on Twitter when I asked if it was faster that it's faster on those but [TS]

00:12:25   I i cant really get that sounds like maybe a coincidence or maybe maybe [TS]

00:12:28   placebo and I don't know I mean I i'm john i I had just to avoid the parallax [TS]

00:12:36   which i think will go down as iOS Evans pinstripes and as soon as the crossfade [TS]

00:12:44   became a thing I turned back on because I can't stand the crossfade there so bad [TS]

00:12:50   like these are two very extreme positions it's as if on Mac OS 10 as if [TS]

00:12:56   you minimize the window like every time you minimized or hit an application it [TS]

00:13:01   would do the big slow cheney effect it's like it's like that that was the only [TS]

00:13:05   option either that or [TS]

00:13:07   no animations at all and you know it's the reality is the best thing or [TS]

00:13:11   something in a little here and it's going to take apple you know maybe a [TS]

00:13:16   release or two before they can to tone down the new cool thing that I learned [TS]

00:13:20   to do and I should say John that even though I do quite like I should say [TS]

00:13:27   quite like the parallax but I don't mind the parallax except that I my lock [TS]

00:13:31   screen image because i dont have children [TS]

00:13:35   aaron is my wife and I took that photo was actually very first photo I took my [TS]

00:13:38   3ds and does it is way too small to be parallax five or whatever you wanna call [TS]

00:13:44   it a nice always constantly see like a black bar at the top of the screen [TS]

00:13:48   drives me up a wall you can't can't have that you getting rid of that it's [TS]

00:13:53   terrible it is terrible and I haven't had a chance to find a picture that [TS]

00:13:58   works better as a lock screen image but that does drive me bonkers [TS]

00:14:01   you know she lives with you i i know i know about the picture I'm so close to [TS]

00:14:06   doing like you know Content Aware Fill to extend the background of this picture [TS]

00:14:09   of my dogs like I get to have Photoshop I've I can make it happen here right [TS]

00:14:15   because I tried recreating it several different ways and realize just how you [TS]

00:14:19   can stretch it out this is not enough background and I use a black background [TS]

00:14:25   in springboard so there's no parallel in springboard but the dialog boxes all [TS]

00:14:29   have it I thought about to shift a couple pixels if I move my hand they [TS]

00:14:34   still was the dog photo taken any location you can get back to a rental [TS]

00:14:41   house in Southampton from many years ago [TS]

00:14:44   take a picture of it but his little head down on the great wood deck [TS]

00:14:48   Content Aware Fill could have a shot on stretching out I might try that but I'll [TS]

00:14:54   say anything else on 703 was there anything else about seventy-three just [TS]

00:15:01   across states as well make sure they're pretty bad so speaking of Hampton's [TS]

00:15:06   that's long island is that ok make sure there's a point to that question what is [TS]

00:15:14   the significance of levittown to you [TS]

00:15:17   particularly [TS]

00:15:18   my parents grabbed both of them ok because I'm handy alright don't have the [TS]

00:15:24   page number don't think I'm looking through my notes but I noticed any map [TS]

00:15:29   screenshot you had levittown and you had something else and the other thing was [TS]

00:15:33   and I was wondering cuz I feel like all these screenshots have like little [TS]

00:15:37   tidbits and windows into the life of John Siracusa and so was that address [TS]

00:15:43   the address where either mom or dad grew up for both of them you know that was [TS]

00:15:47   the address of my mother's parents they don't live there anymore so none of the [TS]

00:15:52   information and their views viewers will do it in fact when my grandparents moved [TS]

00:15:57   out of that house a developer bought it and within weeks just totally ripped to [TS]

00:16:03   shreds and made a new house out of it because that house it was an original 11 [TS]

00:16:07   house you can look at the history of levittown you want to be read david [TS]

00:16:12   halberstam's the fifties but just a nice book for learning about the stuff very [TS]

00:16:16   light not not like the power broker anyway it was an original was an [TS]

00:16:20   original level house that my grandfather extended but for the most part you know [TS]

00:16:24   that my grandparents lived in a whole lives and hadn't changed like it look [TS]

00:16:29   like a grandmother's house in a grandfather sounds like they had changed [TS]

00:16:31   their but they changed it when they had kids right and so I guess it's just you [TS]

00:16:35   know unassailable so when they moved out in the house was sold you can't sell [TS]

00:16:39   somebody i guess i grandmother's house around father's house and they just said [TS]

00:16:43   so im glad my brother and I took a billion pictures of the inside and [TS]

00:16:46   outside of it before that happened so yeah if you were to go to that address [TS]

00:16:51   America you what you would see the house that looks absolutely nothing like like [TS]

00:16:54   the house my mother what's macarthur Lane in Smith something at the house [TS]

00:17:01   that I grew up in for the most part I mean there was a couple i'm linden tree [TS]

00:17:05   house that was born a month and spent many years in another house and then [TS]

00:17:08   moved out and that's where I was in class when everything and again we sold [TS]

00:17:11   that house the house while ago [TS]

00:17:14   I haven't lived there for many years to people who bought the house cut down all [TS]

00:17:17   the trees in the yard which is terrible and I think actually against the law but [TS]

00:17:22   apparently they were not prosecuted and so now the houses and all the trees are [TS]

00:17:26   cut down and I had no idea whether due to the inside but I'm sure that's gross [TS]

00:17:29   do now is there enough information in this review to steal your identity or [TS]

00:17:34   four get a credit card and your name or or maybe get an apple I D Password Reset [TS]

00:17:38   I don't think so I was like I said these things no one related to me is lived in [TS]

00:17:44   for many many many years and they don't look anything like they did when I lived [TS]

00:17:47   there so it's useless to you there were other couple other tidbits review like I [TS]

00:17:54   am that you would presumably sent yourself and Tina send to you which I [TS]

00:18:00   wanted to ask about the contents of that I am which I have written down here [TS]

00:18:03   somewhere I'm assuming it's some Booker popular media reference I didn't get [TS]

00:18:07   where was that so something about ice man wanna know that was something over a [TS]

00:18:15   racoon being released safely or something along those lines [TS]

00:18:19   what happens when people don't read their entire time lines I was that some [TS]

00:18:23   my actual life that's why I read every one of your tweets John I have no [TS]

00:18:28   recollection of this remember right to it when I found the records sleeping in [TS]

00:18:32   the bottom my garbage can [TS]

00:18:33   no but I heard someone else told that exact same story just today actually at [TS]

00:18:38   work which is kind of funny you know the bottom of our garbage Kansas like I look [TS]

00:18:42   like a young raccoon had gone in there and just couldn't get out and of course [TS]

00:18:46   they're not turn also went to sleep so we're going to put the garbage in [TS]

00:18:49   garbage can and you know you put in the bag and sleeping down there so I had to [TS]

00:18:53   take the raccoon in the garbage can to the woods wake him up and release them [TS]

00:18:58   into the woods that's very kind of you do get dumped into the garbage truck if [TS]

00:19:06   you're terrible human being that's terrible I might have done that I really [TS]

00:19:11   don't like raccoons I used to love them when I was a kid now I realize they're [TS]

00:19:15   just disease felt disgusting animals but don't email me the other day and some [TS]

00:19:20   last thing that I Spy that I spied on your screen shots was [TS]

00:19:25   iceman wants to use your passwords which is what I'm stumbling over a moment ago [TS]

00:19:29   is that supposed to be some other reference that I didn't catch or is that [TS]

00:19:33   just you trying to be funny [TS]

00:19:35   Marco save save Casey here and redeem yourself [TS]

00:19:39   iceman on page 5 the iCloud teaching page approximately halfway down the page [TS]

00:19:46   here there's no way to get this was my first thought was hungry and I'm [TS]

00:19:52   grabbing from the chat my first thought was top gun but I I that's not right [TS]

00:19:56   right its highest man not iceman there's only one i smoke that's a that's why I [TS]

00:20:04   didn't think that was the kiddies so what is what is it and why even [TS]

00:20:08   understand what it is this is a reference to you well okay so make me [TS]

00:20:13   feel stupid [TS]

00:20:14   the best one I have is in the air play menu option you can see that that's the [TS]

00:20:22   name of the volume is it hard drive number right corner of the screen and [TS]

00:20:27   the OS Casey Mavericks so I get it it's a plural of ice man I get it that [TS]

00:20:34   actually is kinda funny now that's a big if you make a top top gun joke in there [TS]

00:20:41   too obvious and I also made it talk and explicit Top Gun joke two releases ago [TS]

00:20:46   you know so i cant can go there again but yeah it's Mavericks and the [TS]

00:20:50   character in movies maverick and there's more than one of them so what if you had [TS]

00:20:53   nice man you know more than one of them like you don't want to be on the nose [TS]

00:20:57   you love something for people's brains to be tickled or just confusing fairly I [TS]

00:21:02   was like six feet behind the news and around the corner [TS]

00:21:07   a lot of people got let me tell you guys want to make you feel bad [TS]

00:21:11   a lot of the this is like a V most obvious thing people right in you know [TS]

00:21:15   pay like the whatever about your view this is the one that was most recognized [TS]

00:21:21   by people review sheet he says this is a fun game with San Marco and Casey [TS]

00:21:28   tortuous Lee tried to decipher John's references [TS]

00:21:32   that's the last I had everyone's I'll stop putting us through this pain will [TS]

00:21:36   this week is sponsored in part by a wonderful return sponsor who would [TS]

00:21:40   actually get all these inside jokes which I didn't get casey you barely got [TS]

00:21:45   I don't even know john gets its igloo igloo is an internet you'll actually [TS]

00:21:52   like a glue software dot com slash ATP so that a good knows that we sent you [TS]

00:21:58   and of course that will mean they will keep buying sponsorships which is always [TS]

00:22:03   good for us now most people don't really like their internet because most [TS]

00:22:07   internets are terrible I know you guys do you both have experience with [TS]

00:22:11   SharePoint in OKC does know everyone has to use SharePoint is not good as anybody [TS]

00:22:17   I've never heard a single good thing about SharePoint have you liked it is [TS]

00:22:20   there a good thing to say about it other than leaked microsoft something there is [TS]

00:22:25   but i dont wanna go there can be used well it just never ever ever is in fact [TS]

00:22:30   last project I did with SharePoint was an instance of it being used well but [TS]

00:22:33   that's the only 1 I've ever ever ever see that's saying a lot because it's [TS]

00:22:37   it's pretty widely used and it's almost always hated by everyone who uses it so [TS]

00:22:43   with a glue you can make an internet that your company and your employees and [TS]

00:22:49   you will actually like using you can share content quickly with built-in apps [TS]

00:22:54   they have blogs counters file-sharing forums twitter-like microblogs wikis and [TS]

00:22:59   more [TS]

00:23:00   everything on an igloo is social you can comment on any type of content you can [TS]

00:23:04   add mention your co-workers you can follow any content for updates and you [TS]

00:23:08   can use tags to group things around the way you work you can add on also sub [TS]

00:23:13   rooms like many igloos for each other teams to work in a very easy to use the [TS]

00:23:17   whole thing is drag-n-drop if it is responsive design and use beautiful [TS]

00:23:21   function type get you know most internets if I can go here for a second [TS]

00:23:25   most internets are designed 15 years earlier by a programmer and shows and [TS]

00:23:32   you know that there's nothing modern about them they might even require like [TS]

00:23:36   I E 52 work properly or god knows what [TS]

00:23:39   igloo is all modern beautiful well-designed and text friendly it's [TS]

00:23:44   free to use up to 10 people and when you grow its only $12 a person per month and [TS]

00:23:50   this this will pass on any enterprise check list it has enterprise-grade [TS]

00:23:53   security everything is private secure and made for businesses and you can [TS]

00:23:58   start using it right away if nothing else just go to the website see they're [TS]

00:24:02   genuinely funny videos about the service and it's really great so go to include [TS]

00:24:07   software dot com slash ATP to start building your igloo free to use up to 10 [TS]

00:24:11   people that's pretty great software com slash ATP thank you very much [TS]

00:24:16   now market you have did you do your homework let's start there you did read [TS]

00:24:20   the review I did I'm very proud of you this might be the first time that you've [TS]

00:24:25   ever done your homework see he's definitely do you have do would you like [TS]

00:24:29   to start with any questions i have I have a handful questions that are kind [TS]

00:24:32   of all spastic all over the place but if you had any you would like to ask would [TS]

00:24:37   give me start there I actually don't and here's why and I mean this is a [TS]

00:24:42   compliment the review when I got done with it it was like I had just finished [TS]

00:24:47   a big meal and like all right i'm satisfied like I like if if you ate a [TS]

00:24:52   big meal at a restaurant it was pretty good and she comes over after isn't like [TS]

00:24:56   do you have any questions about what you guys date actually no no I don't I'm [TS]

00:25:00   quite happy with this review it was really good I liked reading it and i'm [TS]

00:25:05   satisfied you know I actually feel mostly the same way and I feverishly [TS]

00:25:11   reread the review this afternoon and this evening right before we recorded in [TS]

00:25:17   part so I could generate some questions and and maybe in one or two instances [TS]

00:25:21   fabricate some questions because the first time I read it I i felt the same [TS]

00:25:25   way I was like I'm good everything was excellent just as I expected and I will [TS]

00:25:31   be sure to Twitter [TS]

00:25:34   ended up really well so John any observations before I started doodling [TS]

00:25:37   you with random questions are normally mean that I will as as needed [TS]

00:25:43   that's kind of needling whatever noodling sounds funnier we were talking [TS]

00:25:48   about foods and I got through the mental image of needling is definitely funnier [TS]

00:25:52   like something a limp noodles were good gentlemen let me start with a really [TS]

00:25:57   simple question actually which is less about the review of more about Mavericks [TS]

00:26:00   to either of you guys find yourself using finder taps where you've installed [TS]

00:26:04   Mavericks [TS]

00:26:05   morning at work to your crazy no it's fine by me I think the only reason I [TS]

00:26:11   don't do it at home is a stupid that I'm forced to use that is not yet compatible [TS]

00:26:15   Mavericks I was going to actually install today but I want to wait after [TS]

00:26:18   the show was recorded just just in case something amazingly smooth in stock [TS]

00:26:23   normally have to fight with all my installed stop I don't have to touch [TS]

00:26:26   anything and user locals far as I can tell it all worked the only wow I had [TS]

00:26:30   was that my like Subversion repositories a pumped up version of the 1.7 inside [TS]

00:26:35   upgrade those bets 11 commanded it tells you when it finds out there upgraded so [TS]

00:26:39   far that's it I'm surprised actually my laptop and I i was doing some work on my [TS]

00:26:43   laptop earlier today for a while and then it was perfectly fine I had [TS]

00:26:48   homebrew and cocoa pods doing stuff and PHP on the command line doing stuff and [TS]

00:26:54   it all works just fine we talk about this but you've embraced Coco Pops now I [TS]

00:26:59   have yet when I want open source obscene model whenever that was like a month we [TS]

00:27:05   have two months ago whenever that was a bunch of people requested it in part [TS]

00:27:10   form and so I decided to install and start learning how to use cocoa pods and [TS]

00:27:14   yeah turns out it's good to know you know what I wrote an iPad app early this [TS]

00:27:21   year at work in and we had another guy come in and help us out and he told me [TS]

00:27:28   oh you you have to use cocoa pods its best thing ever and [TS]

00:27:32   approve and as it turns out he really is that good thing as programmers always [TS]

00:27:38   like every week there's a new tool that programmers are telling other programs [TS]

00:27:43   are you gotta use this is so great and they usually fizzle out and die because [TS]

00:27:47   they aren't that useful or necessary or mature and cocoa pods I wouldn't [TS]

00:27:52   necessarily call mature but it's close enough it works very well and it serves [TS]

00:27:56   a very good purpose that nothing else really serves us well if at all so it [TS]

00:28:02   works fine for me it is pretty poorly documented and for awhile txt workspaces [TS]

00:28:08   it would generate we're not that great and had different meanings and stuff but [TS]

00:28:12   if you update to the newest cocoa pods which there is no update command you [TS]

00:28:18   just run the gem install thing again then that fixes those things so i'm i'm [TS]

00:28:23   happy with it now [TS]

00:28:24   there was definitely a learning curve to get getting it installed and setup [TS]

00:28:28   properly but their site is is OK telling you how to do that and once you get it [TS]

00:28:32   setup it's pretty awesome so we got we got sidetracked so Marco you with [TS]

00:28:41   whatever you barely used Mavericks John are you using find her hips and I mean I [TS]

00:28:47   don't use the browser mode find they're very rarely use it occasionally use it [TS]

00:28:51   when I'm like I'm gonna literally browsing like I'm trying to find [TS]

00:28:54   something and some Samba share somewhere and I just make one new browser window [TS]

00:29:00   used and discarded all my other windows don't have the sidebar I i mean [TS]

00:29:04   occasionally when I do browsing type activities [TS]

00:29:07   maybe it will come up in like for the most part I don't do browsing type [TS]

00:29:10   activities I have like 25 windows that have my stuff in the open usually in [TS]

00:29:13   listview and with little the little photos turned down that I access [TS]

00:29:17   frequently and that's it I don't spend a lot of time you know browsing the [TS]

00:29:21   passage of the browser and its most of it is because if I do anything with the [TS]

00:29:24   browser I am potentially screwing up what little special state that the [TS]

00:29:30   Finder danes to actually remember for me and I don't want to take that risk you [TS]

00:29:36   know and it doesn't matter you know if avoiding it [TS]

00:29:39   makes an ass out together and screwing up all my state information is still [TS]

00:29:42   just forgets every you know there are three days like out my applications [TS]

00:29:46   windows should never be casually I opened up like a look around and there [TS]

00:29:50   are you know maybe to drag something in her to give up something before you saw [TS]

00:29:55   a new version you know and i have you know it's it's that's one of the few [TS]

00:29:59   when does it have you buy icon was pretty big icons they're nice looking [TS]

00:30:02   and I have that all arranged by name and at least once a month it will forget [TS]

00:30:07   entirely about that and will be used differently you will have a sidebar when [TS]

00:30:12   it shouldn't it'll be in the wrong position on the screen look at the wrong [TS]

00:30:14   size now have to come and Jay and I will see the launch checkbox that says we [TS]

00:30:19   show an icon moat is checked even though it has totally changed my view options [TS]

00:30:24   and I'll send it back to the right thing and it may be too bad install our [TS]

00:30:26   overriding the de estar file whatever you know it's just it has no respect for [TS]

00:30:31   the work I put into it so I tried to avoid that I try to avoid the finders [TS]

00:30:35   much as possible just what's the point like this is a section of the Rio that I [TS]

00:30:38   didn't write that I started writing and I said you know what stop stop writing [TS]

00:30:41   this is right about this forever I was gonna run in the final section you know [TS]

00:30:47   go on a big digression about that but this whole topic trying to give an [TS]

00:30:52   analogy to people who you know people don't understand this whole thing and I [TS]

00:30:54   think it's stupid but it's not and I put in at 10 cents to that effect in their [TS]

00:30:59   view that's all the remains of the what could have been a you know three [TS]

00:31:02   thousand-word digression that everyone would have been pissed about how would [TS]

00:31:07   you feel if once a month you picked up your phone and all the icons of spring [TS]

00:31:11   water all over the place like would you go back and rearrangement of the way you [TS]

00:31:15   want them again after that happens three times two times maybe I'm just once when [TS]

00:31:19   you just give up and go well forget it I guess who search for everything or I'll [TS]

00:31:23   just try to have them sort alphabetically and hope they stay that [TS]

00:31:26   way [TS]

00:31:26   like that and then you just accept that and if someone said no no the last [TS]

00:31:31   spring why can't they should remember where they are seeking arrangement who's [TS]

00:31:34   going to our range on the icon so stupid as to many applications anyway you know [TS]

00:31:39   no one is going to arrange all their stuff like that just accept that you [TS]

00:31:42   search for their alphabetical [TS]

00:31:43   and that's the state of the Finder that you know it doesn't respect any work you [TS]

00:31:47   do to to get things arranged the way you want them to have this window off to the [TS]

00:31:50   left in this view and the size and the scroll position and the selection [TS]

00:31:54   statement and that went over there to do this like no one's gonna do that because [TS]

00:31:57   you know they work you put in it may help you for the session are here but [TS]

00:32:01   tomorrow or next week or whatever it'll be changed and you open a window and [TS]

00:32:05   will be in the wrong spot and I have a sidebar no more respect here you know [TS]

00:32:08   you options you pick to the sort of the UK or whatever and some people give up [TS]

00:32:12   and just like I guess I can't do that and i hear all the same arguments like [TS]

00:32:16   well I just too many files that works and what doesn't work when you have that [TS]

00:32:20   it's not like saying we'll have to any applications even people with a [TS]

00:32:23   bazillion applications with screens all folders and we've all seen those people [TS]

00:32:26   are used to hit the 11 page limit on springboard even those people [TS]

00:32:31   screen one of the very least or even like a range screen one and then after [TS]

00:32:36   that it's just you know folder Landon just a big mess right but even they will [TS]

00:32:39   arrange to bring one and even if you don't arrange screen 10 it's all just a [TS]

00:32:42   route see if all this I was your search even those people I feel like would [TS]

00:32:46   carefully picked for items that are in their little doc fix thing over and over [TS]

00:32:50   like there's always something in your life that benefits from you putting the [TS]

00:32:55   way you want it known where everything is using special recognition of what [TS]

00:33:00   size is it what color is it what position is it on the screen when I put [TS]

00:33:03   it there stays there are no where it is I can orient myself to it and those of [TS]

00:33:07   the few common things you doing and how many files we getting around how many [TS]

00:33:10   applications getting around how big hard drives get this always going to be some [TS]

00:33:13   working side of things that you would benefit from if you could arrange them [TS]

00:33:17   just so and have them where you want them and that I continued to rail [TS]

00:33:22   against then I wish people at Apple understood that could someone does [TS]

00:33:25   because springboard its relentlessly spatial in terms of arranging things and [TS]

00:33:28   if you've ever had this happen and I have with iOS but we're springboard does [TS]

00:33:32   go nuts and everything gets all scrambled it is crazy making everybody [TS]

00:33:35   hates that that's how I feel about the finer half the time when using him to [TS]

00:33:40   find a house 10 so not really intends to use all that for no not really I don't [TS]

00:33:48   use finder test John this is why we love you and it's not because I don't like 10 [TS]

00:33:51   mile of tests using a browser craziest because I know if I mess with any of [TS]

00:33:55   their browser stuff [TS]

00:33:56   going to be screened my own tiny little toe hold that I have on the spatial [TS]

00:34:00   state and that's not it's not because they had two brothers to have separate [TS]

00:34:04   browser windows in browser windows I would use the browser way more than I [TS]

00:34:08   would love to attach their you think it's it's a little bit lesser priority [TS]

00:34:12   of making that stuff that reliable on on Mac rather than a mile west because you [TS]

00:34:17   and I Wes this spring board is is the only way to launch apps and is by far [TS]

00:34:22   the most common way for our users and programmers who work on iOS to launch [TS]

00:34:27   their apps springboard as a spotlight exists but you know it's certainly a [TS]

00:34:33   little bit clumsy to use over the just trying to find a patient having an icon [TS]

00:34:39   whereas in the Mac I i suspect that most programmers who work on OS 10 and most [TS]

00:34:46   power users who would be most irritated by this kind of stuff probably don't [TS]

00:34:50   open Finder windows very frequently to navigate to their applications or files [TS]

00:34:54   they probably are using things like water parks over or at least spotlight [TS]

00:34:58   to do you know quick keyboard based launching and finding of things but much [TS]

00:35:03   more often do you think maybe just like not much of a pain point I mean it's not [TS]

00:35:08   like the the design of the restaurant finder precludes them doing this it's [TS]

00:35:15   not like it's like they just took the box it will be fine its just designed [TS]

00:35:18   not to work that way because there's it's not clear when you're rearranging [TS]

00:35:22   something if what you rearrange what what effect with your rear engine has [TS]

00:35:26   because if you have a browser window and you browse through stuff and you make [TS]

00:35:30   changes as you go are you what are you making changes to like it's the [TS]

00:35:33   difference of chain window as a device that you peer through to see the [TS]

00:35:38   contents of your file system and window as the spatial manifestation of a [TS]

00:35:43   particular director John Diskin you can't combine those like it once you can [TS]

00:35:46   change a window from one to the other [TS]

00:35:48   what happens when you transform suddenly the spatial state of the window [TS]

00:35:51   something apply itself to the folder in your Transformer to get rid of the [TS]

00:35:54   sidebar and reverse like this no sensible way to do it so there's nothing [TS]

00:35:58   they can do short of actually separating those two views and the non [TS]

00:36:03   user-friendliness of the Finder is tied to the nine user friendly as the file [TS]

00:36:06   system so that this also doesn't solve that [TS]

00:36:09   problem like the fact is a bazillion files in there all over the place and [TS]

00:36:12   people don't know what to do with them like this the reason I S a successful [TS]

00:36:16   busy getting rid of that it's like you know people can't handle faucets they [TS]

00:36:19   can handle open save dialog boxes they just simply cannot handle it so we need [TS]

00:36:23   to get that away from them and springboard is great you know a great [TS]

00:36:26   solution to that problem especially in the context of Pendle devices [TS]

00:36:30   maybe it doesn't apply entirely to the back of the Dead launch pad and [TS]

00:36:33   everything like that but the problems the problems of the file system are not [TS]

00:36:38   going to go away he suddenly you know make the Finder space on our because [TS]

00:36:41   designed especially for years and people still couldn't handle it but you know [TS]

00:36:44   the average person but the few people could it really did let you measure [TS]

00:36:48   stuff in a nicer manner and we've got many more interesting advanced [TS]

00:36:52   technologies in that spot like Quicksilver all that good stuff plus [TS]

00:36:56   tons of really good and application management stuff like the sidebars and [TS]

00:36:59   the very end the source listen to various applications to give you a view [TS]

00:37:02   of your stuff without giving mood at showing you a view of your desk that's [TS]

00:37:07   all good stuff comes up but the Finder is is not what it could be [TS]

00:37:11   and I don't think it's because of that is not a priority is just that but I [TS]

00:37:16   guess it is not a priority because they like well it doesn't work that well and [TS]

00:37:20   we don't have a real strong philosophy farmer trying to satisfy everybody in an [TS]

00:37:23   upset as I know it really in the grand scheme of things the Finder is way less [TS]

00:37:26   important that used to be in that is true so you know that taps why not [TS]

00:37:33   well the funny thing is the reason I brought this up two hours ago was [TS]

00:37:36   because I was just i was just wondering after having reread your view [TS]

00:37:41   why it was I was still opening like two or three Finder windows in order to drag [TS]

00:37:46   things between folders directories whatever when I've completely forgotten [TS]

00:37:51   that tabs were even a thing in Mavericks you want to see the source and the [TS]

00:37:55   destination of the same time [TS]

00:37:56   yeah that's a very fair point but to be honest I would probably do just as well [TS]

00:38:02   by getting one tab with the source the other tablets destination that would be [TS]

00:38:05   sufficient and that's why I actually really like this is a completely on [TS]

00:38:10   sponsored plug I really like the app drag-n-drop which is like the animal [TS]

00:38:15   Dragon drop but its upon for drag-and-drop [TS]

00:38:19   yeah exactly did you know there's a really funny joke in his review about [TS]

00:38:24   iceman anyway the point is this little app you jiggle your mouse and a little [TS]

00:38:32   like a tooltip sort of context I'm told it's a little bit but it's a little [TS]

00:38:38   things little window that pops up and you can drop something that you had in [TS]

00:38:42   your that you're dragging on to this little window that is on top of all [TS]

00:38:46   other windows and then you can go about your business do whatever you need to do [TS]

00:38:49   and then dragged away from the drag-and-drop window onto whatever you [TS]

00:38:54   want to put it on to the use case being 100 window you find the file you want [TS]

00:38:59   you pick it up in your mouth you drop it on the drag-and-drop window go to that [TS]

00:39:03   same original Finder window and Rhian go to wherever you want this file to be and [TS]

00:39:09   then bring the file from the drag-and-drop window back into that [TS]

00:39:13   original Finder window which is now planning to the new destination that was [TS]

00:39:16   a terrible way of describing it but the point I'm driving out is there other [TS]

00:39:19   options other than just tabs that I used constantly but yet just today I found [TS]

00:39:24   myself somehow deciding to open two or three Finder windows to do this when I [TS]

00:39:29   really should have just embraced finder tips that drag and drop things the shelf [TS]

00:39:33   from next step so everything old is new again you know that having that [TS]

00:39:38   intermediary placed [TS]

00:39:40   to keep things you know it's a reasonable idea but a certain point you [TS]

00:39:43   can't have like every [TS]

00:39:44   they did it because they want their trying to simplify the interfaces know [TS]

00:39:48   the next doc was you know more complicated than the original Apple dock [TS]

00:39:54   and the shelf goes away but the others lots of replacement type things to say [TS]

00:39:57   you know till I just split up in operation into two pieces here I think I [TS]

00:40:02   found here and you know it makes sense when I know a lot of people who would [TS]

00:40:10   always have the way they use the OS 10 finer is the only way to her house to [TS]

00:40:14   browser windows one on top or on bottom line in left to right and they were just [TS]

00:40:19   arrange them every time those windows rearrange themselves or resize [TS]

00:40:23   themselves anyway and they use it kinda like transmit the panic FTP app the left [TS]

00:40:28   side would be sourcing the right side of the destination that's how they move [TS]

00:40:31   files they were navigate with the browser thing in one place navigate but [TS]

00:40:34   the other thing and then move the files crosswise like that and that's one way [TS]

00:40:38   to operate albeit insufficient because that's what they really wanted was [TS]

00:40:41   basically transmitted with a big arrow in between and so they can navigate [TS]

00:40:44   navigate narrow one direction or the other than two hours but yeah so [TS]

00:40:50   anything else on finders ok let's see what else 2010 I wanted to make an [TS]

00:40:59   observation perhaps more than than have a question which is there were a couple [TS]

00:41:04   of spots were you through in these just extremely passionate like one-liners and [TS]

00:41:10   the you made mention of one earlier which was my guess was about finder [TS]

00:41:17   where you said some people don't care about this distinction between browser [TS]

00:41:20   and whatever the other kind of underwear do is think it's academic and and well [TS]

00:41:24   alright and what they think its academic an important next sentence they are [TS]

00:41:28   wrong and there was another instance what was it about I wrote down internal [TS]

00:41:34   vigilance I was notification center about how whether whether you want your [TS]

00:41:39   people around you to be able to see who's I am in your who's tweeting out [TS]

00:41:42   your whatever the case may be and so you could choose to have in the case of [TS]

00:41:46   emails [TS]

00:41:47   I am you could have kind of the details hidden on notification center but that [TS]

00:41:53   may not that is less useful if you're the only one looking at the computer and [TS]

00:41:56   so she made this like one off about how you up to the other penalty for this is [TS]

00:42:00   yet to be eternally vigilant as to who is within I shot of your machine and I i [TS]

00:42:05   dont again I don't think there's much more question here but I just love those [TS]

00:42:09   little one-liners where it was completely clear exactly what you felt [TS]

00:42:14   and if any of us disagree we are just completely wrong and that's the end of [TS]

00:42:18   the Damned the academic thing is like this part of a broader point where [TS]

00:42:22   people fall into the trap where if if they don't understand ur can see the [TS]

00:42:27   benefit of something therefore there is no benefit and in anything where you're [TS]

00:42:33   you know someone is the creator in some ways of consuming it [TS]

00:42:36   assumption is that the creator has more knowledge about the domain like you're [TS]

00:42:41   not you don't have to understand what makes a good song to appreciate a good [TS]

00:42:46   song right but you also can't say if someone describes like some musical [TS]

00:42:51   concept to me like I don't understand that's not important to hit songs you [TS]

00:42:55   don't know what makes a good song about your job you don't have to know what [TS]

00:42:58   makes a good song all you have to know is how to enjoy some guy like the song [TS]

00:43:01   or not like it and you leave it to the people creating it to figure out what is [TS]

00:43:04   it that makes a good song all that music theory stuff like you may not understand [TS]

00:43:08   music theory all you may not understand anything about music works but someone [TS]

00:43:12   has to end it like it's their job to understand us all as academic stuff you [TS]

00:43:16   don't have to understand it didn't have to even by the that it works [TS]

00:43:20   tons of things that people love about our products have a foundation in [TS]

00:43:24   complicated things that you should understand that the user sure as heck [TS]

00:43:27   feel the result of it and that's what I hate the arguing about like you know [TS]

00:43:30   this this facial I can try to explain the concepts behind things that make for [TS]

00:43:34   you know usable pleasing efficient user interfaces and the people's eyes glaze [TS]

00:43:39   over and they said well that is obviously not and cannot an important [TS]

00:43:43   part of user experience it's not you know just because you understand that [TS]

00:43:47   part of it and things they shouldn't have to understand it's like my goal I'm [TS]

00:43:51   kind of talking to a pillow is with these things like as I want to tell [TS]

00:43:53   people about you know the philosophy underlying these things [TS]

00:43:57   I think would be a good idea or whatever but it shouldn't be their job to [TS]

00:44:00   understand it is not I don't i dont nothing hinges on convincing themselves [TS]

00:44:04   at this point I'm not like I'm done trying to convince the end users that [TS]

00:44:07   this would make a good interface and your best bet at this try to convince [TS]

00:44:11   someone who has the power to make an interesting thing is a lot of a lot of [TS]

00:44:15   software developers have read what I've talked about on this topic and tried to [TS]

00:44:18   incorporate some of those things into their designs with very little success I [TS]

00:44:22   my dad and I would say Apple itself is one of the few companies that has [TS]

00:44:26   incorporated in springboard and the whole iowa's user interface is the [TS]

00:44:32   comfort and the stability and you know the the sort of approachable is that [TS]

00:44:36   people fear 0 with that little grid of icons that you can move around from one [TS]

00:44:39   screen together that is like the ultimate victory of all of these [TS]

00:44:42   concepts that everyone thought were stupid and their eyes that got a one off [TS]

00:44:47   because like I said that is the big honkin section their view that every [TS]

00:44:50   time our interview I stop myself from running more or less [TS]

00:44:52   covered it but it's still totally there and I wasn't interested in engaging on [TS]

00:44:57   it and the other one the eternal vigilance thing like that's that's again [TS]

00:45:02   even more true violence because you know what it's like and I was like you know [TS]

00:45:05   people who are cast how often do we go into preferences and like go on patrol [TS]

00:45:12   notifications thing and location settings you don't even like her alot [TS]

00:45:16   notification you're you're you're allowed to have banners you're allowed [TS]

00:45:20   to make sounds you're not allowed [TS]

00:45:22   you still an application you go in there I just think you're not allowed push [TS]

00:45:25   notifications like all these things are great but if you wanna have a nice [TS]

00:45:29   experience and not just feeling overwhelmed by beating things popping in [TS]

00:45:32   your face the prices you have to spend some time in like in the notification [TS]

00:45:37   mines throwing the toggle switches last year right and just deciding what you [TS]

00:45:40   want and exactly the same thing Notification Center which I love it also [TS]

00:45:44   means that if I don't pay attention and I saw five new applications they'll be [TS]

00:45:50   throwing stuff up and they'll be flying by Notification Center sidebar and [TS]

00:45:53   they'll be doing stuff and I got to go in there and say oh yeah no not you know [TS]

00:45:56   banners no sounds notice you know all that stuff and if you don't do that you [TS]

00:46:00   will eventually be overwhelmed you like Iowa sucks everything goes beyond my [TS]

00:46:04   face like well they give all the application developers these things and [TS]

00:46:07   they give the users control in a way that Apple usually doesn't [TS]

00:46:10   like Apple usually isn't in the business of giving you a gigantic wall toggle [TS]

00:46:15   switches but in the case notifications they do and I think it's probably the [TS]

00:46:19   only way you can do it because only the user can decide what's important enough [TS]

00:46:23   to them to you know deep in their face and how annoying as a dialog box versus [TS]

00:46:27   the sound vs Banner vs something appearing in a sidebar [TS]

00:46:31   the point of that one yeah and I really do love them in in in I think part of [TS]

00:46:36   the reason I enjoy them so much is because I tend to waffle I don't know [TS]

00:46:41   what's ahead on a fitting one happens to have noticed this and I love when you [TS]

00:46:45   just come out and it's just that's the way it is like it or not and and I just [TS]

00:46:49   really enjoy it [TS]

00:46:50   market you want tell us about something else that's awesome I would love to it [TS]

00:46:54   is yet another repeat sponsor because we have the best sponsors it is in fact [TS]

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00:47:42   the cocoa API's on Mac and iOS the dotnet framework on Windows Casey or the [TS]

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00:48:03   different platforms oxygen is based on Object Pascal Pascale I never learned it [TS]

00:48:10   I spent like a weaker to learning it at some point actually it might have been [TS]

00:48:14   in computer camp and we can do a whole deep dive into the psychosis behind that [TS]

00:48:18   but if you believe it wasn't computer can I learn [TS]

00:48:22   very briefly when asked how I went to band camp and I thought that was the [TS]

00:48:25   nerdiest thing ever but I think he's been me know either I never use passcode [TS]

00:48:29   I think I may have written you know a couple pages of Pasco back when you [TS]

00:48:34   program the Mac in Pasco that's a long time ago but didn't do anything useful [TS]

00:48:38   it any chess camp is worse anyway jim is based on Object Pascal has revamped and [TS]

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00:48:50   to learn and produces easy to maintain code and has many sophisticated language [TS]

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00:49:02   easier test oxygen comes with the Visual Studio IDE for the tool chains for all [TS]

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00:49:17   objects dot com slash oxygen on the end of that and Delanie full free trial [TS]

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00:49:28   code ATP 13 before the ATP to the year of 2013 thats 20% off all products [TS]

00:49:37   oxygen or otherwise so thanks a lot to ram objects and oxygen for sponsoring a [TS]

00:49:43   show that's actually a somewhat pression segue into what I was going to ask next [TS]

00:49:52   which is a lot of the review John I would say is relatively high level and [TS]

00:49:59   approachable for just about anyone even non developers and then the next thing I [TS]

00:50:04   know I'm looking at hex dumps file extended file attributes whatever [TS]

00:50:10   they're called and my question to you is at what point do you decide you're going [TS]

00:50:15   to deep into the nerdery and pull yourself back out is there any sort of [TS]

00:50:21   decision making process of decision tree or is it just you doin not to get your [TS]

00:50:25   point across and that's that [TS]

00:50:26   also there so many things in the new release that I could write about this is [TS]

00:50:30   the internal struggle with any news reviews and this is why I can't seem to [TS]

00:50:32   resist the description of a comprehensive [TS]

00:50:36   gonna be like there are so many topics and I go into it topics that I'm [TS]

00:50:41   interested do and I i mean in dev tools alone I could spend a million years just [TS]

00:50:45   on Xcode and clanging LLVM and like all the things they do the language every [TS]

00:50:50   year and some years I have done that I did that when the DGC did and you know [TS]

00:50:54   like but then I didn't do it when they were you know doing properties in dot [TS]

00:50:57   syntax right so there's just too much to cover right and I have to decide you [TS]

00:51:03   know which one of these things is really makes a difference in someone's ass next [TS]

00:51:07   up indoors you really really has nothing to do with the OS but i think is [TS]

00:51:10   important for the platform like it's this is more of a state of the platform [TS]

00:51:13   type of you and using the release of us as a as a point to talk about it but [TS]

00:51:18   even within the OSI does that leave stuff out right and I try to pick some [TS]

00:51:22   features that I think are either important or you know could be important [TS]

00:51:26   to use his or highlight something about Apple's design philosophy or you know [TS]

00:51:30   and so lot of things get dropped on the cutting room floor and but tags you know [TS]

00:51:34   tax fits all the criteria to feature that without it you know all the time [TS]

00:51:37   it's it's a feature that builds on technologies that they added over many [TS]

00:51:41   many years that I've been following closely so it doesn't like this you know [TS]

00:51:45   breadcrumb trail of like how do we get where we are today you going back to you [TS]

00:51:50   know the metadata stuff and found them extensions and then finally getting [TS]

00:51:53   extended attributes and then spotlight leveraging that and then like now [TS]

00:51:58   finally we're at a point where we can you take this done so many third-party [TS]

00:52:00   applications that leverage its exact same infrastructure should do similar [TS]

00:52:03   things with with the tags and now it's a built-in feature of the US and the [TS]

00:52:08   reason I went deep on it is because you know I'm I talk I'm talking about the [TS]

00:52:13   implementation and i dont have to explain the implantation first [TS]

00:52:16   principles because if you've been following along you know and i could [TS]

00:52:19   link back to you know member we talked about extended attributes member we [TS]

00:52:22   talked about spotlight like you know it builds on its like any kind of you know [TS]

00:52:25   school chorus with you to build on the information you learn the previous [TS]

00:52:29   semester to learn new things you don't have to go back over it again and in [TS]

00:52:33   particular when it comes to tags like this you know it's scary to see like [TS]

00:52:37   that but I explained it to a level that I thought [TS]

00:52:40   anybody reading could understand like you know I had to like you know [TS]

00:52:44   explained exactly like okay with this number in taxes this and therefore that [TS]

00:52:48   number involved and it has a you know understanding the history of tags and [TS]

00:52:53   the particular mutation explains why it works the way it does why are there only [TS]

00:52:56   seven colors why can have repeat colors but the different names like all and all [TS]

00:53:01   these weird behaviour it if you're just testing like it works in strange ways [TS]

00:53:04   sometimes the name of this machine will be here the color was different but that [TS]

00:53:09   the tag name was the same when I did a search and you know all these things [TS]

00:53:13   that would be inexplicable once you understand the implementation that's not [TS]

00:53:16   bad complicated 10 now I know why they only have seven colors and now I know [TS]

00:53:21   you know the names changed and now I know why it's sort of backward [TS]

00:53:25   compatible labels cause I know how labels marks and I understand why you [TS]

00:53:28   know they can't have all the labels labels only have this one but field and [TS]

00:53:32   so has to pick and they chose to pick up the last time the applied against Texas [TS]

00:53:36   you're up here and why are they in a big x&o blog because they do property listed [TS]

00:53:40   as a big thing in Pakistan and put into one big blocks a spot like an index that [TS]

00:53:43   is a symbol you know like it all comes together like that the details of the [TS]

00:53:47   implementation help you understand why the features work the way it does and I [TS]

00:53:51   tried to get into like the tradeoffs of like what they had done this way there [TS]

00:53:54   would be more pure than they were under strong back while they did it this way [TS]

00:53:57   what happens if you change the name tag and you got ten thousand files and [TS]

00:54:00   you're just like that will you see a progress dialog kind of gross and you [TS]

00:54:04   could have different types with different names in different machines [TS]

00:54:06   and if that discuss an online change the name when you bring it back online [TS]

00:54:09   things are going to match and you know it in some senses revealing the [TS]

00:54:13   implantation but I think I think it explains how to feature works better [TS]

00:54:16   than trying to like true stable it out and saying when you click here and do [TS]

00:54:19   this and do that this happened like you know because I think tags do have enough [TS]

00:54:24   we are dedicated people to start clicking around they wouldn't understand [TS]

00:54:27   why they work the way you and this is the type of section that are going to be [TS]

00:54:30   linking people back to for years to come [TS]

00:54:32   and already is getting in a people like texted the strange thing I don't [TS]

00:54:36   understand why just linked to the section like 1230 ok well now I know [TS]

00:54:41   what happened when I did that and I completely understand why it behaved in [TS]

00:54:44   this particular way and you feel like going all the way down to hex is is a [TS]

00:54:50   reasonable amount of depth [TS]

00:54:53   for a normal human being to understand I walk through a step at a time like [TS]

00:54:58   here's the contents of the thing and here's what it looks like and you know [TS]

00:55:00   and linking back and if you don't know what a property list is linked to the [TS]

00:55:04   documentation this property no property list server using Pakistan to start [TS]

00:55:08   later this is I think anyone can understand property this is not you know [TS]

00:55:12   you don't know the intimate details of when you read a commission like oh this [TS]

00:55:15   is a nice way to store like semi structured simple data with like strings [TS]

00:55:18   and numbers and stuff and you know Apple uses it alot in their different [TS]

00:55:22   structure so make sense that they were used to store then you come back they're [TS]

00:55:24   reading you know extended attributes go read about the clothes are coming out a [TS]

00:55:29   new stature in the given name here it is like it may take somebody who doesn't [TS]

00:55:33   know anything about it awhile to go back through gonna stop anybody who has been [TS]

00:55:37   following along should you know breeze through [TS]

00:55:39   actually part of the reason why it took me long at this year to read it in last [TS]

00:55:42   year's because I follows me those links and and got lost on things like the [TS]

00:55:46   Wikipedia page about UNIX demons and things like that and I like to just just [TS]

00:55:53   used the word dealing with the eighth before the year and just assume [TS]

00:55:56   everybody knows what it means I don't wanna explain what that is but if you [TS]

00:55:58   doubt the Wikipedia page explains what they are and you could come back fairly [TS]

00:56:01   quickly unless you know you like it was interesting like you but you already [TS]

00:56:05   knew what they were doing and just went there [TS]

00:56:07   out of academic curiosity and then got lost but I'm trying to just bring [TS]

00:56:10   everybody long even if I already know what a demon is I will follow that link [TS]

00:56:15   just so you know I bet there's something about this I don't know and sure enough [TS]

00:56:18   there is lots there I didn't know so it was definitely worth it [TS]

00:56:22   yes I mean sometimes you know you need to know everything about like in that [TS]

00:56:25   particular I'm just trying to make sure everyone is following along and said [TS]

00:56:28   hunt explained what had a menace because that's that's cumbersome like I want to [TS]

00:56:31   assume that there are some common share knowledge here but I but if I can help [TS]

00:56:36   someone out by going oh I didn't know that was the word for that and white [TS]

00:56:39   spelled funny like that but no one ever this Wikipedia page explains you know [TS]

00:56:43   what these things are and why they have a funny name and I can come back and [TS]

00:56:46   continue but in other cases like I'm trying to add an additional color [TS]

00:56:52   through what I link link to it and it's not the obviously it's a link that makes [TS]

00:56:56   a statement about the the word or phrase that adds it usually says adding a [TS]

00:57:00   little bit of extra opinion about how I feel about something or whatever [TS]

00:57:03   you know how to follow that link if you are doing over the thing is but you will [TS]

00:57:07   get more information even if you just mass over the links you like I think I [TS]

00:57:11   know where that leads you mouse over there because you kinda know what my [TS]

00:57:14   opinion is gonna be maybe you don't know when you click through it so it is back [TS]

00:57:19   to the linking think some people find a tiring to do that just want to read as [TS]

00:57:22   you could read straight through you understand every time you don't need to [TS]

00:57:24   but links do add stuff maybe maybe it's like a replay value in a game you get [TS]

00:57:29   repaid reading of going back to sections and following links going back a sec to [TS]

00:57:35   the to the tags implementation details one reason I actually really enjoyed [TS]

00:57:40   that section is because when I see feature like tags [TS]

00:57:45   you know i i rely a lot on the file system for organization and I and i know [TS]

00:57:50   that might seem like an obvious statement but like I can I rely more [TS]

00:57:54   than most people do in that I i tend to not use things like everything bucket [TS]

00:57:59   apps or apps to maintain their own organizational database like aperture [TS]

00:58:02   and then the faucet was kind of haphazard or hidden from you I i avoid [TS]

00:58:07   that kind of thing and I i really use the file system as a major [TS]

00:58:11   organizational point much like our friend dr. drang I i really believe in [TS]

00:58:14   doing things that way and one of the reasons is because it is very resilient [TS]

00:58:21   to both data problems and software problems like for example failed disks [TS]

00:58:28   like you can you can pull a directory tree off a backup and it doesn't matter [TS]

00:58:32   if the backup like was from some service or media or software they didn't support [TS]

00:58:36   certain Mac extended attribute implementation or anything like that you [TS]

00:58:40   know and it also ages very well in that if I change software using of a change [TS]

00:58:46   my text editor I don't have to change the directory structure with a short [TS]

00:58:51   text files like everything is more independent from each other and and so [TS]

00:58:55   on and so I find that the more I can do just file system management of things [TS]

00:59:03   that generally happier and easier and more resilient my setup is and so when I [TS]

00:59:07   see a new feature added like tax I have to you know before I think about using [TS]

00:59:12   it has been ok [TS]

00:59:14   houses gonna fit into long-term organization like on the disc like [TS]

00:59:19   because if there was some central system database file that maintained all the [TS]

00:59:24   tag relationships or if it was in if it was baked into like you know some kind [TS]

00:59:29   of allocation table in the file system in something like that where it's not [TS]

00:59:32   just in the file or next to the file that would be a lot less resilient [TS]

00:59:37   because then like if you back up you know if you copy a directory to a backup [TS]

00:59:42   drive or if your backup software doesn't know a thing is to find that data then [TS]

00:59:48   if you restore from that or if you come down to a new machine or removing it [TS]

00:59:52   here laptop to work on it for a trip or something that doesn't come with it and [TS]

00:59:55   that sucks and so it was really good to know [TS]

00:59:58   with your filesystem stuff that it isn't mine in such a way that it will be [TS]

01:00:05   fairly resilient and it will be fairly portable unfairly aging friendly at [TS]

01:00:11   least not asian persuasion friendly as long as the tools and questioned support [TS]

01:00:17   extended attributes that we've had like six years or seven how long has it been [TS]

01:00:21   since ten-point 4224 all the tools to get up to speed on pay you know extended [TS]

01:00:27   out to be serious thing and and Apple includes so many things to extended [TS]

01:00:31   attributes like all time machine realizing I'm just a workout alright the [TS]

01:00:34   user access control list which is a pretty deeply woven part of the [TS]

01:00:38   operations in the operating system and they made in like said they would you [TS]

01:00:42   like for years and years they've taken things that aren't even in expenditures [TS]

01:00:46   and expose them to extend that to read so applications have kind of a unified [TS]

01:00:49   interface to do this not release any any applications as anything especially a [TS]

01:00:54   backup application I mean he doesn't have to be like oh I got a bit of [TS]

01:00:58   attacks on this like you know you had seven years just to get on the page of [TS]

01:01:02   like extended attribute sure thing [TS]

01:01:04   copy them when you copy stuff anything Apple and once on top of extended [TS]

01:01:08   attributes which is why you know I was always in favor of you know arbitrary [TS]

01:01:10   sensible arbitrarily extensible metadata because there are so many things you can [TS]

01:01:14   do with all your tools need to do is understand those things exist just copy [TS]

01:01:18   them all right and that's all you need to do is still there are tools they [TS]

01:01:22   don't do it that way but you can rest assured that any tool that works with [TS]

01:01:25   extended attributes in any form will sober [TS]

01:01:28   task is that's all they are and the implementation is like and not only that [TS]

01:01:31   everything's in there about the stupid number for the color from you know 1988 [TS]

01:01:35   with labels and the string with the name so there's not even a central registry [TS]

01:01:39   for that like if you copy the file and you can be extended to be with it like [TS]

01:01:44   any good even the command-line CPW does that at this point on OS 10 you will [TS]

01:01:48   have your tax bill yet that is that it's a treat as reassuring as any other thing [TS]

01:01:53   that implemented on top of extended attributes a nice time and you know I [TS]

01:01:57   have to say that that if I were to pick a favorite section of the review this [TS]

01:02:02   one might have been it not because I'm particularly enamored with tags but [TS]

01:02:06   because I loved that you could trace today's situation all the way back [TS]

01:02:12   almost thirty years to 1988 and see that decisions made then I have and have a [TS]

01:02:19   demonstrable effect on the decisions that were made today and maybe that's [TS]

01:02:27   the nerdy side in me coming out but I just thought it was so cool to be able [TS]

01:02:31   to trace what happens in 2013 all the way back to 1988 now and I do think you [TS]

01:02:36   handled it well I'm grilling you not because I disagree but because I thought [TS]

01:02:40   it was a very interesting to talk about right what else did I have here actually [TS]

01:02:48   I think one of the things we do need to talk about in and I'm just gonna go [TS]

01:02:52   ahead and kick back while you talk about this is how is publishing all the [TS]

01:02:57   different ebooks that's pretty smooth this year compared to last year like I [TS]

01:03:02   was really nervous about doing iBooks is the first time I've ever published [TS]

01:03:05   anything I books last year and the year before that I had you know I generated [TS]

01:03:09   epub version and that he published I was trying to say and I books compatible [TS]

01:03:13   epub epub it's nothing I'm making a file that you can load in the in the iBooks [TS]

01:03:18   application and I've done that for years so it's not like the creation of the [TS]

01:03:22   files a problem any more than it always is trying to deal with these eBook [TS]

01:03:26   readers that don't render things nicely so I had to file it was a question of [TS]

01:03:31   going to the submission process and I had heard that the submission process [TS]

01:03:34   could be like days or weeks you know to get the iBookstore is not going to work [TS]

01:03:38   release date a quick turnaround so you know I have friends who hooked me up [TS]

01:03:42   with people at the iBooks store who said they could expedite you know my [TS]

01:03:47   submission kind of like expedited review you get a one-time type thing I don't [TS]

01:03:51   know if it's a one-time type thing but only publish one thing every year anyway [TS]

01:03:54   so it's fine and they were all lined up I go yeah you know we'll we'll get it up [TS]

01:03:58   in 10 12 24 hours so that was all set to go and dealing with the tools they [TS]

01:04:05   talked about it last show it's not wasn't the greatest experience at all [TS]

01:04:07   the kind of creepy not a lot of hand-holding in terms of this is the [TS]

01:04:11   first time you're you're doing it are you sure everything's all set are you [TS]

01:04:14   sure when you click the spot is going to do it you think are you sure after you [TS]

01:04:17   click this button you will have the ability to modify XY and Z without [TS]

01:04:20   screen stopped up you know just learn those who experience of updated all the [TS]

01:04:25   books so many times at this point like if you're listening to this and you have [TS]

01:04:29   you bought the Kindle book or the iBooks book both of them have been updated I [TS]

01:04:34   don't know how the hell to get updates from the Amazon store I think they have [TS]

01:04:37   to send you an email to tell you it's been up to do some crazy thing I have no [TS]

01:04:40   idea so but rest assured that the book has been updated if you can figure out [TS]

01:04:44   how to get the updated version from Amazon Kindle device good on you get a [TS]

01:04:48   nicer version with type of stocks on earth I'm pretty sure you have to [TS]

01:04:51   actually just delete the current one off your device lose any highlights and [TS]

01:04:55   notes you've made in it and just redownload it and I think that will get [TS]

01:04:59   you the newest version in past years that wouldn't even work in past years [TS]

01:05:03   when you delete it and redownload they would give you whatever version you [TS]

01:05:05   purchased in the only way to do to wait for an email with some magic link or [TS]

01:05:09   something it may have gotten better but I books like any other you know [TS]

01:05:12   store things like within iBooks is little update stabbed like this book has [TS]

01:05:15   been updated yet they've been hearing at the new version and I think I think it [TS]

01:05:20   preserves everything for you I don't try to preserve your notes and highlights [TS]

01:05:23   but looks a bit of release notes they do i do I discovered that 17 updates in [TS]

01:05:28   when I saw this kind of updates they got to write something then I found the [TS]

01:05:31   little tiny [TS]

01:05:34   the places that lets you type things into the iTunes producer thing it's like [TS]

01:05:37   I'm boxes literally the size of two postage stamps like to actual postage [TS]

01:05:41   stamps and then that the proportion like more like a square or rectangle at the [TS]

01:05:45   base their tiny text in here like seriously in this gigantic window I get [TS]

01:05:49   to postage stamps and a tiny little fun too small it shouldn't even be in TLS is [TS]

01:05:54   like you know eight-point text or something without spelling correction i [TS]

01:05:58   think is that it doesn't do little red squiggles its crazy maybe does to the [TS]

01:06:02   red squiggles and I just didn't catch it but I put spelling errors in those boxes [TS]

01:06:05   many times likelier to be beheaded and caught it before I pasted in getting the [TS]

01:06:12   book up there it was so fast the first submission [TS]

01:06:15   you know I was talking to my contact without bond like ok I've submitted it [TS]

01:06:19   and he wanted me to give information about I gave him some information and [TS]

01:06:21   then I saw the Book of a storm like alright this is awesome it's you know [TS]

01:06:24   it's up boom there you know is there so quickly and then he sent an email back [TS]

01:06:29   and said I actually wanted another piece of information that the one you sent me [TS]

01:06:33   so she didn't even expedited just went up that fast because like because I [TS]

01:06:36   don't know how long and a lot of people are submitting a book so whatever so [TS]

01:06:40   maybe I just got lucky and the same thing with the updates I would update [TS]

01:06:42   the book and it would get updated within hours and I'm like is this normal says [TS]

01:06:46   automate there is a person doing this and like it usually takes a few hours so [TS]

01:06:50   I'm very happy with how responsive you know even apparently without the special [TS]

01:06:55   treatment that I was trying to get that putting stuff on me I'm bookstore was [TS]

01:06:59   you know it's faster than have them store and their humans evolved so if it [TS]

01:07:03   ever would go slow and human being I could talk to you and say it's going [TS]

01:07:05   slow gonna get faster but after the first after getting the first book up it [TS]

01:07:10   was you know it wasn't a problem can't afford a good day for being a typo [TS]

01:07:16   correction versions to go up or whatever the iBooks reader and the Kindle reader [TS]

01:07:22   but there are two more so continued to frustrate me was that they have to [TS]

01:07:25   patient it's tough right and its fine of his first acts but when you have big [TS]

01:07:28   images the addicts 32 tries to obviously not have images spanning pages reason [TS]

01:07:33   like the top of the image and the agency the bomb damage that's bad but the only [TS]

01:07:37   possible way to do that is to move images around because depending on your [TS]

01:07:41   screen size is it exercises which can be adjusted by the users are you can [TS]

01:07:45   you know where the images land changes so the obvious application kind of sort [TS]

01:07:51   of has to move stuff around and when I move stuff around like makes things that [TS]

01:07:56   are ugly moving images away from the textarea first then you know floating [TS]

01:08:02   images of the worst because it has to decide is there not room and even float [TS]

01:08:06   this sometimes it thinks I have enough room to flood this image to the right [TS]

01:08:09   and it's got like three characters worth space on the left side so i three letter [TS]

01:08:15   word fits their fall by two letter word and then there's a huge vertical swath [TS]

01:08:18   of space and then the five letter word is there anything image and that is [TS]

01:08:21   terribly ugly and it's like 60 for men in your book like totally doesn't look [TS]

01:08:25   like that in their version and it would be nice if I books decided there's not [TS]

01:08:29   enough room for me to float this image I should just sent her a text on either [TS]

01:08:34   side of it and some constantly like doing a little dance that you do you [TS]

01:08:39   know where the dance for you have a have a stack of candles and iOS devices on my [TS]

01:08:43   desk maybe not as big as Marco stack but big enough to be annoying and you load [TS]

01:08:48   the book and every one of these things and you paged through it and believe me [TS]

01:08:51   it takes for ever to page through this thing on even an iOS device let alone a [TS]

01:08:56   candle for ever to page range paid to make this or does it look saying that [TS]

01:09:01   look like readable can people read the text is a certain point to give up on my [TS]

01:09:04   car on this device in this fun size it does is weird formatting thing to do but [TS]

01:09:10   for the most part everything went smoothly the iPad buggin Amazon didn't [TS]

01:09:14   happen soon as soon as the money online store people able to put it on their [TS]

01:09:18   iPad did I mention this is a test of the surprising to me has been almost all the [TS]

01:09:23   sales shifted over time looks like the total number of sales is similar to what [TS]

01:09:27   it was last year round about fifty books but last year was the you know there was [TS]

01:09:32   no I'm explosion and of course our ratings on Amazon this year like almost [TS]

01:09:35   everybody by the iBooks version and a tiny pool people but the Kindle version [TS]

01:09:39   so I guess that kind of makes sense because it's built into the OS Apple [TS]

01:09:43   nerds are going to be for reading this and they might like I books or whatever [TS]

01:09:46   but you know i i was violent and and I version is nicer than the Kindle version [TS]

01:09:52   cuz I was able to use uncompressed things there but I couldn't in the [TS]

01:09:54   Amazon region system delivery fee thing [TS]

01:09:57   so you know as I explained in my post but I how many people about the ebook [TS]

01:10:01   read my blog post about it like that i mean i i dont know I was I was surprised [TS]

01:10:06   at how massively dominant iBooks was in terms of sales and you know I'm [TS]

01:10:11   perfectly happy with that if people are happy that they got it that's actually [TS]

01:10:15   really interesting figures may be one thing if you would if you were never [TS]

01:10:19   that popular and candles [TS]

01:10:21   you know we could try to explain that away but to have a big difference [TS]

01:10:23   between last year and this year that that's something interesting I think I [TS]

01:10:27   can I guess I can kind of understand it but like it did you get the impression i [TS]

01:10:31   know i buy most of my books on the Kindle Store like I'm glad when i buy a [TS]

01:10:35   book the default as I will buy the Kindle book from Amazon that's how I [TS]

01:10:39   read you know anything that's not maybe maybe I could technical book there's [TS]

01:10:42   lots of charges something I would do that but I like a comic book come out by [TS]

01:10:45   perversions comiXology or something but yeah like I was so tall candles dominant [TS]

01:10:52   thing and then Apple's over there were the iBookstore but for now I guess if [TS]

01:10:55   you're writing a review of the Apple operating system people already there [TS]

01:10:59   were up by that and I books forum i guess i mean maybe part of it is because [TS]

01:11:03   Kindle like the the good Kindles are the the grayscale even ones and the tablet [TS]

01:11:11   candles are kinda crappy that's an understatement I think and and so it was [TS]

01:11:17   something like this where it's full of like nice color images and links and [TS]

01:11:21   things like you you're gonna wanna have this on a full-featured reading device [TS]

01:11:25   like the ear candles are not gonna be good for the color images they're not [TS]

01:11:29   gonna be good following those lines cuz you know they have browsers they're [TS]

01:11:31   terrible and slow and and so the best advice to read the sign is a computer or [TS]

01:11:36   tablet and and so it makes sense that most of the people who are interested in [TS]

01:11:41   reading this kind of thing if they have to pick a color tablet device to read [TS]

01:11:45   this on our way more left to pick an iPad then see a Kindle Fire which is a [TS]

01:11:50   total piece of garbage and I guess I still like the web version better but [TS]

01:11:54   pretty ebook versions despite the fact that the Kindle version has compressed [TS]

01:11:58   JPEG massively compressed air bags of uncompressed things that are in the eye [TS]

01:12:02   books on the Kindle reader app has a built-in browser and the iBooks app [TS]

01:12:06   doesn't so I have been nicer if you're using a lot of [TS]

01:12:09   links to do the Kindle one because they want to keep leaving the app and coming [TS]

01:12:13   back when you tap the link it'll open in the in a browser you know I can still [TS]

01:12:16   hear any other app within a browser that that is is better you know so I i mean [TS]

01:12:22   there were no options for everybody everyone could get what they want and [TS]

01:12:24   the option that I'm surprised more people to pick up their afraid of [TS]

01:12:27   descriptions the you know there are some your subscription which cost exactly the [TS]

01:12:30   same as buying the book but you get all the versions of the book you get the web [TS]

01:12:34   version with no ads on a single page if you wanted to get the multi-page web [TS]

01:12:38   version of that's what you want to get the ebook and the Kindle version had [TS]

01:12:42   also PDF version which is not nice and I don't make money my people some people [TS]

01:12:45   like PDFs for that libraries or whatever and I guess that's all because people [TS]

01:12:50   don't want to repair her member done subscriber to cancel a subscription or [TS]

01:12:55   whatever it is they want to do is just a simple transaction for them to decide by [TS]

01:12:58   inside our books you know so we provide the options he will pick what they want [TS]

01:13:05   first of all I am a print subscriber because i subscribe like three years ago [TS]

01:13:10   for your review then and I have just forgotten to unsubscribe every year we [TS]

01:13:15   also get to review our site all year with no ads on it so usually I'm not [TS]

01:13:18   logged in as I forget that I even habit and then when it renews like that [TS]

01:13:23   sometime cuz every member of your login really well unlike many others I can't [TS]

01:13:29   remember the last time I log into our I don't think there's any kind of timeouts [TS]

01:13:33   on all browsers on all my machines has no ads on one more point to make on this [TS]

01:13:38   before we leave the e-reader topic I have over the years with both Instapaper [TS]

01:13:44   and the magazine I have spent a lot of time and effort trying to make things [TS]

01:13:52   work really well and candles try to make things look as good as well as they can [TS]

01:13:56   trying to get the layouts and funds exactly right in the market is empty [TS]

01:13:59   right and everything [TS]

01:14:01   the navigation navigation all that stuff training all that stuff exactly right [TS]

01:14:06   for any candles and I think almost none of it was worth it I for whatever reason [TS]

01:14:14   I I don't really have a great theory on this there are a lot of people who use [TS]

01:14:20   candles [TS]

01:14:21   but any kind of difference in quality of the Kindle experience just never seemed [TS]

01:14:29   appreciated by almost anybody let alone enough people to make it worth the the [TS]

01:14:34   pretty incredible amount of effort that it was over the years and you know maybe [TS]

01:14:40   that's just because so many things about reading on a Kindle content wise are [TS]

01:14:45   mediocre like so many ebooks are half assed and have like one weird font set [TS]

01:14:52   for the whole things like even the candle beset with the you know the [TS]

01:14:55   regular Cecilia fun like one book will be totally set in the san serif font in [TS]

01:15:01   a weird size and justified somehow and there's no way for you to change that or [TS]

01:15:05   books will have like OCR errors when they were scanned from paper and nobody [TS]

01:15:10   ever criticism because nobody's looking and nobody cares so it because they're [TS]

01:15:13   so many foreign periodicals in the kinda looks weird which are just really really [TS]

01:15:19   have fast and so so many content experiences on these devices are like [TS]

01:15:25   you know sixty percent quality that maybe people who use candles just don't [TS]

01:15:31   expect any better and maybe even don't even notice when it is better because [TS]

01:15:36   the whole experience as a whole is is so mediocre with you know full of things [TS]

01:15:40   like bad formatting and you know weird little shortcomings and errors and that [TS]

01:15:46   might also have to do with like the whole thing about market share and [TS]

01:15:50   browser share being so different between iOS and Android where Android devices a [TS]

01:15:55   lot of those are these like purpose made tablets that are sold as video plane [TS]

01:16:00   devices or reading devices something that's not like intend to be general [TS]

01:16:04   purpose computing devices so maybe people who own those you know don't go [TS]

01:16:08   looking for things like this to read on them or don't go looking for like you [TS]

01:16:11   know web magazines or Web save for later services they're you know they're giving [TS]

01:16:15   these things to get three books and they don't even consider doing stuff like [TS]

01:16:17   this with them so one of those is probably the case they do it a little [TS]

01:16:23   bit like i said im trying to do what I can to make sure it's ok [TS]

01:16:27   like I'm not not I know is never gonna be great I just wanna make sure it's ok [TS]

01:16:31   and last year I think was the year where [TS]

01:16:34   when it's not okay I did find out because that was the year I am Kindle [TS]

01:16:37   ebooks version and it didn't look right on the what was then knew that cannot [TS]

01:16:43   touch the one with the stupid well where your finger goes down to it in just like [TS]

01:16:46   the IR being so everything was right and i dont have one of those in no one [TS]

01:16:50   should have one of those but maybe some people happened and they said hey when I [TS]

01:16:54   bring your book up on the texts like crazy small and it's all messed up and [TS]

01:16:58   it's like unreadable and no matter what I do just the size even I just saw the [TS]

01:17:01   maxilla small and I had screwed something up with the funds but I you [TS]

01:17:05   know when I went over there in the simulator insensitive I start to Kindle [TS]

01:17:09   Touch it looks fine but in the actual hardware device it did so you know if [TS]

01:17:14   you're screwed up bad enough you hear from it and member in that case I had to [TS]

01:17:17   make my best guess as to what I had screwed up with the but the funds [TS]

01:17:20   because unlike if you look at the market is focused disgusting like all sorts of [TS]

01:17:25   hacks and that some of them probably aren't even necessary anymore like I [TS]

01:17:28   think ahead like P style Eagles text indent nun you know inline style and [TS]

01:17:33   every single paragraph I think you still need that for the Kindle three and maybe [TS]

01:17:36   even the Kindle for movies like crap like that have been looking like what [TS]

01:17:40   are you crazy you know how to make market was like I did not put it out [TS]

01:17:43   there for my health that's because like three years ago I had to do that to get [TS]

01:17:46   a look right I like the Kindle to write and I just leave all that crap in this [TS]

01:17:50   analysis is piled high atop a pile paxon and the these particular arrangement of [TS]

01:17:56   politics screw up the fund on that you know they cannot touch so I had to like [TS]

01:18:00   guess what the solution was one hell of a book you know email to Scott McNulty [TS]

01:18:06   who has every candle in the universe and say can you take a picture of it [TS]

01:18:10   show me what it looks like a very spot sizes so I can say okay like I i approve [TS]

01:18:14   that it gets good in shaping up actually you know what before before I forget I [TS]

01:18:19   now that I no longer have any paper or the magazine and the next step is a [TS]

01:18:23   podcast app I've been looking to get rid of my collection of all the candles do [TS]

01:18:28   you want to give it to you free cuz you can actually use it my wife will not [TS]

01:18:32   like you see him he electronics to that Kindle museum a museum of mediocre [TS]

01:18:37   reading devices I'm sending it to you that's it [TS]

01:18:41   refuse it if you want but I'm thinking like we didn't we didn't give our son [TS]

01:18:46   one of our old conozcas with her kids actually kind of good because I like [TS]

01:18:51   buying e-books market in the paper books they have so many paper books like by my [TS]

01:18:55   son books and giving him his own candle to like to read on [TS]

01:18:58   is pretty good so you know if you want to send me some of your old ones like I [TS]

01:19:00   was given my kids are you save some time out of his old enough [TS]

01:19:06   hollow candles on the only one I want to save as the paperwhite because that's [TS]

01:19:12   the only one that we actually use good one but if you want to get rid of all [TS]

01:19:17   the only old once everything before the paperwhite I have one of each model and [TS]

01:19:21   you're going to have them soon caught sunbathing in 2012 nobody wants that [TS]

01:19:23   it's how it's so funny it's kind of like that like that next Mike you can you [TS]

01:19:32   actually have and kept a cute they came free with wired magazine in like this is [TS]

01:19:37   so it's shaped like a freaking cat of course that is I can't find something [TS]

01:19:42   before we lived [TS]

01:19:48   move on from this topic in in the shower when I get in as you guys some two [TS]

01:19:55   questions actually 1 I'll talk about appearance maybe the next week but since [TS]

01:19:59   we're short on time I mentioned last week when I didn't talk about their view [TS]

01:20:04   that there was like some overriding theme that I was trying to weave through [TS]

01:20:07   out the review and that whether or not you got the pop culture references that [TS]

01:20:12   I was using to build it should have worked on its own [TS]

01:20:15   did I succeed did you see a team running through this and if so what do you think [TS]

01:20:19   it was [TS]

01:20:20   power-saving that's true in terms of the features but it's like I'm thinking more [TS]

01:20:25   like the touchy-feely like you know what kind of OS is this where does it fall in [TS]

01:20:31   the hierarchy of US releases you know me I think so I i mean you explicitly state [TS]

01:20:37   that you know you you can't give an idea of the theme that that you want me to [TS]

01:20:43   say that you believed I think it depends a lot on your opinion of Mavericks like [TS]

01:20:50   as a usually when you get like once you depend on like what you think of the [TS]

01:20:53   things they change [TS]

01:20:54   changed whether it makes a big difference for you know for your [TS]

01:20:57   hardware and for your usage and and what you think of the direction they're going [TS]

01:21:04   and so I think that year's theme is is spot-on of like this shows some [TS]

01:21:10   interesting things for the directions there there at the direction they're [TS]

01:21:13   going with some of the stuff and it's it wasn't it wasn't necessarily the obvious [TS]

01:21:18   direction they were going year ago or two years ago and and so that you did [TS]

01:21:23   very well I'm not sure I picked up on the specifics of a ton of places where [TS]

01:21:30   you think they were they are going to be so I'd like some some big things like [TS]

01:21:35   shifting towards i mean one thing that i think is very obvious for me with this [TS]

01:21:39   is Mavericks is really a laptop OS that happens to run on desktops if you want [TS]

01:21:47   to and it is really it is getting more iOS like but not in the interface and [TS]

01:21:58   like stuff like long competitiveness is kind of stupid but you know the the [TS]

01:22:05   interface is actually getting you know mostly back to being back like again [TS]

01:22:11   maybe I should be out until he tried a radical redesign who knows but a lot of [TS]

01:22:16   the and lines are the stupid like a lot of the power saving stuff a lot of the [TS]

01:22:22   app nap the the sandbox and I'm just putting more restrictions on ads in [TS]

01:22:27   order to achieve that our stuff for the user whether its security whether its [TS]

01:22:31   power related or or you know managing unsaved data stuff like that I think [TS]

01:22:36   we're gonna see a lot more of that and and a lot more stuff aimed at that [TS]

01:22:42   laptop specifically but but just like a lot more just restrictions that won't [TS]

01:22:47   necessarily him to power users for the most part but we'll keep making life [TS]

01:22:53   harder for developers temporarily to get long-term that are situations going on [TS]

01:22:58   this on this platform that they didn't have the luxury of starting from scratch [TS]

01:23:01   with iOS but I spell it out in the [TS]

01:23:06   the interim the conclusions I'm going and make the last paragraph more or less [TS]

01:23:10   than you know that the very last line of like this is a weird time in the life of [TS]

01:23:16   the Mac because the direction of was going in has been sort of like a big [TS]

01:23:22   stop signs prepared to stop with that don't don't do that anymore and you know [TS]

01:23:27   they scraped out a lot of that stuff but left a lot of those things kind of you [TS]

01:23:32   know it's in limbo like it it's it's an OS that is not it is unsure of itself [TS]

01:23:37   right it's not it is not bold confident even to the green line one line was more [TS]

01:23:43   bold and confident like gap we're gonna have everything wouldn't felt and looked [TS]

01:23:47   like iOS and like I don't care what you were doing that is broken so book now I [TS]

01:23:51   gotta bookmark deal with it you know it was i mean you could say it was [TS]

01:23:54   misguided are going the wrong direction but it was certainly more more confident [TS]

01:23:58   and bold about what it was doing and Mavericks is like no you know maybe not [TS]

01:24:03   sure about what we're doing here I guess you know I mean like the power same [TS]

01:24:06   stuff is like you to definitely going to emphasize power-saving do that stuff [TS]

01:24:10   that's fine but like anything like what what is the Mac platform becoming like [TS]

01:24:14   which one is the direction for the Mac and aside from the obvious stuff like [TS]

01:24:19   that more efficient get faster you know better battery life what does it mean to [TS]

01:24:23   be a Mac what is the future of this platform and Mavericks is is not a bold [TS]

01:24:29   statement in any particular direction other than that direction we're going in [TS]

01:24:33   before we're not doing that anymore but we don't have fun times we don't have [TS]

01:24:37   time to undo all that stuff either so some is going to be there but I mean you [TS]

01:24:41   know we put the stuff and we don't we don't want to do that we just don't have [TS]

01:24:44   time to clean up but don't look over there it's kind of a great game center [TS]

01:24:47   still friggin felt like you know it's still the stuff is still there and i [TS]

01:24:50   guess i know i OS that little tiny bit of that unlike iBook still being the [TS]

01:24:54   women's shelter for the most part I was like I was 70 here it is a seven this [TS]

01:24:59   embargo never been clear from get in line you know all bored I was 17 and [TS]

01:25:04   maverick's not like that at all and the edges stop i think is this more I think [TS]

01:25:08   it did I i mean i spelled it out I think I might have used at Alexs maybe not [TS]

01:25:12   like Apple said to themselves and it's really important I think bears out of [TS]

01:25:17   the usage of it [TS]

01:25:18   you said it's like you know it's like a laptop OS but just true in the sense [TS]

01:25:22   there you know focusing on power saver which only really matters when you have [TS]

01:25:24   a battery you know what it's like if not just any saving its increased energy [TS]

01:25:32   efficiency and increased responsiveness and they go hand in hand responsiveness [TS]

01:25:36   and stop your Mac from doing crap that is not responding to you the user right [TS]

01:25:41   now which usually means stop your Mac from doing all sorts of stuff that was [TS]

01:25:44   doing before and if you spent any time like running DTrace or you know the old [TS]

01:25:49   St usage think it's gone there you know he trusts or FSU said you're all these [TS]

01:25:54   tools on the Mac you can use to see what the system is doing its doing tons of [TS]

01:25:59   stuff all the time the Mac is doing so many things like this is why it's [TS]

01:26:02   amazing that I was even works with iOS is not doing these things would destroy [TS]

01:26:06   your battery you know and so they're trying to bring it into like stop max I [TS]

01:26:10   know you have almost too much memory too much computing power too much hard to [TS]

01:26:13   space and they were doing tons of stuff in the background the strength to rein [TS]

01:26:16   it in and even if you don't have a laptop like I don't use laptops right [TS]

01:26:20   it's a maybe the psychological happens after every year was up there but I feel [TS]

01:26:25   like I've more or less it should have should have this gauged after going [TS]

01:26:28   through so many OS updates you know people so she'll snap you're busy just [TS]

01:26:32   did a fresh install and Michael your cash is a cleaner maybe things would be [TS]

01:26:36   fragmented or things haven't started to slow down whenever you know you know [TS]

01:26:40   psychological effects of like making you think the nuances faster but you know [TS]

01:26:45   even accounting for that in fact I truly believe that my desktop Mac Pro at work [TS]

01:26:51   feels snappier after an upgrade to matters more so than no nap after doing [TS]

01:26:57   like in a lasting way that you eventually get used to it you don't [TS]

01:27:01   notice it anymore but it's because the thing my machine is doing less crap and [TS]

01:27:06   even if this comes down to like I'm my machine is not being destroyed by [TS]

01:27:10   spotlighting time machine to such a degree you know like totally smooth the [TS]

01:27:13   way to kill a magnet to swap it with IO because I mean it can only be one for [TS]

01:27:18   your process can have a lock on the Kalevala time to discrimination us plus [TS]

01:27:21   so of course I'm not doing you any good you know [TS]

01:27:24   contention for i/o can make your Mac sales slowed almost more so than [TS]

01:27:27   anything else [TS]

01:27:28   low memory eventually become swamp because wiping everything but the memory [TS]

01:27:33   compression combined with a lower priority of everything else combined [TS]

01:27:35   with just less crap going on in the background and more things to be like oh [TS]

01:27:39   I was gonna run but let me let me hold off and wait until an idle period like [TS]

01:27:43   that goes a long way even on a desktop Mac and so I would encourage people to [TS]

01:27:48   like water have laptops I don't care about Mavericks you should care not [TS]

01:27:52   because of anything because of the responsiveness angle that goes hand in [TS]

01:27:55   hand and I think this is just the tip of the iceberg it's not like it's magically [TS]

01:27:58   all super duper responsive now like but definitely going in that direction to [TS]

01:28:02   say to make a better experience we have to do like what I rested and say we [TS]

01:28:07   really need to respond to these got all this power too much power we've gotten [TS]

01:28:12   lazy and just got so much are we gonna have you know just added things one [TS]

01:28:15   after the other like first spotlight was not just things going to run and then [TS]

01:28:19   we're gonna have time machine that's another thing is gonna run in the [TS]

01:28:21   background when things and if you just look at like the CPU usage of some [TS]

01:28:25   stupid thing pulling in your menu bar like so many things are so wasteful [TS]

01:28:28   Adobe you know just just just torturing your machine even this is something I [TS]

01:28:34   missed him argue that added an updated version even the stupid time machine [TS]

01:28:38   like a little tiny clock icon doesn't turn on anymore but it is not used you [TS]

01:28:42   know it's not worth sending you know giving CPU cycles waking up the CPU 30 [TS]

01:28:47   times a second spin that stupid thing when it sprinkles Time Machine backups [TS]

01:28:50   can take a long time like just this relentless desire to say stop the [TS]

01:28:55   computer from doing crap that does not help the user and so that that is a good [TS]

01:29:00   new direction and think this is like the first toe dip in that direction but [TS]

01:29:05   overall the OS is definitely in a in a transitional period and you know the [TS]

01:29:10   last line of you you may be a very strange time in my life I think this is [TS]

01:29:13   a strange time in the life of the Mac because I think of what's going on a man [TS]

01:29:17   has been strange the past few years but like this is even more strange like it [TS]

01:29:21   seemed like all the Mac is irrelevant I was awesome and then I was like oh no [TS]

01:29:24   the max relevant back to the Mac and Max gonna become relevant looking just like [TS]

01:29:28   iOS the same thing there [TS]

01:29:30   then we were like no that's not too great or whatever and then it's kind of [TS]

01:29:33   like yeah right like that's not great and now just kind of like all right here [TS]

01:29:37   in a stripped off a lot of that was tough competition stuff but not quite [TS]

01:29:42   sure you know what's going on there compared to Iowa soldiers you know so [TS]

01:29:46   bold and fresh and confident what he was doing so that that's the theme I was [TS]

01:29:51   trying to be throughout the day review and I think people feel that like even [TS]

01:29:55   if I just feel it as kind of a big disinterest and Mac platform it's [TS]

01:29:59   because Mavericks doesn't come out of the gate with some you know a lot of it [TS]

01:30:03   comes down to aesthetics doesn't come out the gate with some bold new look and [TS]

01:30:06   some new ideas about how you interact with them act like one of the doc is [TS]

01:30:11   gone and all windows over our full screen or we have a tiling window [TS]

01:30:15   manager all sorts of crazy things you can imagine no more menu bar you know [TS]

01:30:18   like not saying anything good ideas but if any if it did any of those things [TS]

01:30:22   people with sit up and take notice it does not like this is not Mac OS 11 its [TS]

01:30:27   Mac OS 10 and it's like Mac OS 10 you know tepid edition in terms of what's [TS]

01:30:32   going to throw in the userspace but underneath it all are you know some good [TS]

01:30:36   ideas about efficiency and responsiveness that hint at what a new [TS]

01:30:42   direction for the Mac can be but we're not there yet again probably because of [TS]

01:30:46   time constraints so we'll circle back here next year and a similar time I [TS]

01:30:50   assume and see if the next release is that bold new direction that builds on [TS]

01:30:55   you know what Mavericks is kind of finding out only one of the thing too as [TS]

01:31:00   I really think that that some of this transition notion is because Apple has [TS]

01:31:07   always had and this is true both Mac OS and iOS especially Mac OS they've always [TS]

01:31:14   had this weird dichotomy of trying to appeal to power users because their [TS]

01:31:21   power users and they respect us and they have a lot of power user fans you know [TS]

01:31:25   trying to appeal to power users and be like the pro the pro platform while also [TS]

01:31:32   having all these opinions and being being so strongly controlling about ease [TS]

01:31:37   of user experience and simplicity and hiding limitation details from people [TS]

01:31:41   and we've seen Apple go a little too far in in the east direction sometimes and [TS]

01:31:49   they pulled back and look at some of the big money features of Mavericks you know [TS]

01:31:54   some of the finances to fight that they really are for power users the [TS]

01:31:58   multi-monitor stuff that's all why do you think anyone would have predicted [TS]

01:32:03   they would have been improving multi-monitor stuff as much as they did [TS]

01:32:06   just last year or the year before like with live online brought in full screen [TS]

01:32:11   and and everyone's like oh well now we have just talked with linen on our [TS]

01:32:15   second screen forever like no one would have predicted at that time that the [TS]

01:32:19   same company just two years later would dramatically improve multi-monitor and [TS]

01:32:25   and make it so much better and you know I think and was it was a mountain lion [TS]

01:32:30   introduced mission control or whatever that new thing was anyway you know [TS]

01:32:36   Apple's always had this weird dichotomy between our users and hiding things for [TS]

01:32:41   ease of use and part of the transition that I think you're getting at is just [TS]

01:32:45   them fighting that battle that they've been fighting for a long time and [TS]

01:32:49   they're just they just keep moving forward to making it more locked down [TS]

01:32:54   for use of use but also better power users in like they there it's like [TS]

01:32:58   they're like one-upping themselves in that battle as time goes on and I don't [TS]

01:33:02   know that they can never win that battle it's just a hard problem is kind of like [TS]

01:33:05   this is kind of like a do over because it's like they're still there going to [TS]

01:33:10   head off I think in the same direction but Lyon mountain lion are sort of an [TS]

01:33:14   embodiment of misunderstanding what's good about iOS is it like a kind of a [TS]

01:33:18   kind of understand a broad level iOS is good and popular because it's simple and [TS]

01:33:23   it gets crap out your way that you don't want to deal with crap that and I talked [TS]

01:33:28   a lot about this new line an outline of you especially in liar view things that [TS]

01:33:32   we all take for granted that if you think about it's like well why should I [TS]

01:33:35   even bother with that at all and like I was the perfect example of like how easy [TS]

01:33:39   it is to buy and install an app why isn't that easy on the neck well because [TS]

01:33:42   of XY and Z imbaba like but does it have to be well I've been computer just like [TS]

01:33:46   any of it's kind of like you know power users do want power and they'll get [TS]

01:33:49   addicted like Stockholm Syndrome to get addicted to things that are terrible I [TS]

01:33:53   could ask a Mac user way [TS]

01:33:54   back before any your time like used to be able to choose how much RAM and [TS]

01:33:58   application would allocate to itself you get info on finding it was little box [TS]

01:34:01   and said like two little boxes we could get recommended in a maximum size of [TS]

01:34:05   whatever support nightmare that must be like oh you have to give it more memory [TS]

01:34:11   you can open files figure rose you know you decide how much RAM accused and [TS]

01:34:15   obviously that's you know from my perspective like why would ever have to [TS]

01:34:19   do that it's like you know having to go out and drink you're stuck artist or [TS]

01:34:21   something but if you have to Paris Michael I need to have my control but I [TS]

01:34:26   need to tell exactly how much this application is that and how did you know [TS]

01:34:29   like they love the knobs and you know they love nigga dick into that stuff and [TS]

01:34:33   it takes a while to get away from that and other things cleaned like all that [TS]

01:34:36   crap that you thought was essential actually it's not and see how much more [TS]

01:34:40   pleasant it is to use this thing but what blind mountain lion like ok iOS [TS]

01:34:45   like people like that that's good that simple but we need do is make them act [TS]

01:34:49   like iOS and they made it like iOS in the wrong ways right what they should [TS]

01:34:54   have been doing a lot more americans doing like you know all that sand boxing [TS]

01:34:58   stuff and all of the you know obvious implications of getting rid of like you [TS]

01:35:03   know wouldn't it be nice if you know where all the files were on the system [TS]

01:35:07   can manage them and you know that you know the sandbox containers for things [TS]

01:35:10   and you didn't have all these application just doing random crap their [TS]

01:35:13   system and patching things and running in the background and eating CPU cycles [TS]

01:35:16   and you know it wasn't a wild Western you more like that's one aspect of the [TS]

01:35:21   other one was like well [TS]

01:35:22   interface implication that book should be like a book and it's just one simple [TS]

01:35:26   screen you know that was the wrong direction like the simplifications are [TS]

01:35:30   not in the visual interface applications are in think of the parts of the system [TS]

01:35:35   that I like busy work that you don't need to be doing or that are like our [TS]

01:35:40   are inefficient or that caused chaos like the Wild West nature of the [TS]

01:35:43   internals of like all these things running rampant over system making like [TS]

01:35:47   a fragile system [TS]

01:35:48   get rid of that but still give the features that make the Mac than that and [TS]

01:35:53   so i think there's a reset of like they went off in they went off in pursuit of [TS]

01:35:57   the aesthetic look and feel and simplification in terms of individual [TS]

01:36:00   and they're resetting now and saying actually true [TS]

01:36:03   true luxuries whatever form you sent terrible advertisements they had that [TS]

01:36:07   the true true simplicity is getting rid of ugly details but not getting rid of [TS]

01:36:14   features you know as much as they stood in a little bit about our competitions [TS]

01:36:18   and stuff but try to try to provide the same functionality but make it so there [TS]

01:36:23   are fewer moving parts and Furyk rapid you don't care about that you have to [TS]

01:36:26   deal with and they're far from that goal now I guess it's kind of like i rewind [TS]

01:36:30   and reset and hope when they move in a new direction towards simplicity will [TS]

01:36:34   not be towards you know just playing I was dressed up like you know I said your [TS]

01:36:39   view of johns and more towards appreciating what it is you know that I [TS]

01:36:44   was has fewer hassles so get rid of the hassles and Mac OS don't just try to [TS]

01:36:48   make it like I was because I S and you know different types of hassles there [TS]

01:36:52   are houses on the Mac get rid of those hassles and new features without their [TS]

01:36:57   own set of hassles behind them and go forward in that direction so I I hope [TS]

01:37:01   that's where they're going i mean like I said the last show calls transitional [TS]

01:37:06   because you like 10 what is transitioning from but we don't quite [TS]

01:37:09   know what is transitioning to so far it's kind of like a you know a pause [TS]

01:37:13   reset to regroup kind of thing [TS]

01:37:15   all right let's wrap it up this week as we are running long time and we want to [TS]

01:37:20   preserve one's ability to download this episode over cellular so thanks a lot to [TS]

01:37:25   our to sponsor this week [TS]

01:37:26   igloo software and oxygen by REM objects and we will see you next week [TS]

01:37:33   now this show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John [TS]

01:37:45   Casey [TS]

01:37:49   it was accidental and jean-marc Guillou [TS]

01:38:32   you know what is the name of that rule that whatever you search for it will [TS]

01:38:38   eventually generate into porn [TS]

01:38:41   3434 I believe is if it exists there's porn for it that's different that's one [TS]

01:38:50   thing I feel like there's a rule for anything they you participate in [TS]

01:38:54   particularly podcast which is if you talked long enough it will eventually [TS]

01:38:58   end up with you bitching about HFS plus just got to fix the things that annoy me [TS]

01:39:05   and then I move on to the next thing that annoys me like I don't complain I [TS]

01:39:08   don't complain about a cooperative multitasking are protected memory [TS]

01:39:11   anymore that say they got does yeah you know something else did you guys find [TS]

01:39:19   any stirrings now [TS]

01:39:22   easter eggs is clicking all links now although I didn't know I was not very [TS]

01:39:27   diligent about things I was happy Easter eggs in there in a hard to find a web [TS]

01:39:31   page you know but I was surprised by the number I keep making them less obvious [TS]

01:39:36   and sometimes I think I can only find these but you know you put their view of [TS]

01:39:40   950 people email you and say that these traits that what we talkin like labeling [TS]

01:39:44   period and that the level of things like that but I mean just references like a [TS]

01:39:52   lot on the right in your face like you know the image stuff the ice ice man is [TS]

01:39:56   one of them is one of the one of the most obvious one of the night in your [TS]

01:39:59   face serious like nine times it was the name of my volume I can I gotta think of [TS]

01:40:04   what to call these things and so like you you could just glanced over them [TS]

01:40:07   like agassi causes [TS]

01:40:08   calls as hard as I spent whatever but you know they like if you think about it [TS]

01:40:12   for a second if you've seen top like that's that's not obvious when [TS]

01:40:16   everything is something like that a lot of people like my contacts with [TS]

01:40:18   screenshot lot of people are sending me stuff about that the same contacts from [TS]

01:40:22   last year and I think from the year before and the reason is because iCloud [TS]

01:40:25   like it made my test account every year and on to make you fat contacts cuz I [TS]

01:40:29   made them one year and then install a new OS and you know what up on my test [TS]

01:40:33   accounts they're they're all my contacts as the same joke over and over again but [TS]

01:40:36   it's it's new to some people like oh you know that context then how do you get [TS]

01:40:41   that reference and nobody you look at the context [TS]

01:40:45   crap is right but for the seven people who know what it is it's entertaining [TS]

01:40:49   and six other people are seeing it for the first time they didn't read my [TS]

01:40:52   review last year and the year before that and they get a little like oh [TS]

01:40:55   that's cute I screwed up joke this year they did better last year but I don't [TS]

01:40:59   think I go see a movie you haven't seen so you know whenever but like you need [TS]

01:41:05   to know you that's what's that's what contact us like to get it as the caption [TS]

01:41:10   caption I think we call Marilyn posted the caption to his blog so I think he [TS]

01:41:17   understood the reference to the caption under the contacts cucumbers with [TS]

01:41:21   cottage cheese nothin on that one [TS]

01:41:23   know you've seen that show maybe you'd have to remember that episode which I [TS]

01:41:31   can't reveal them all to you do tax in the chatroom wants to know what's better [TS]

01:41:38   than HFS plus i'll see you guys later [TS]

01:41:41   btrfs NTFS file system created in the last twenty years at sixteen created the [TS]

01:41:51   last one hears anything else you want one more thing on the books production I [TS]

01:42:00   wimped out and have some copyrighted material and I think it's fair use but I [TS]

01:42:04   have some copyrighted material [TS]

01:42:05   link to this review and I wimped out of putting that into you because I just [TS]

01:42:10   dreaded like getting rejected from the iBookstore because you know claims [TS]

01:42:13   copyright material I'm not gonna have a nuanced conversation about fair use when [TS]

01:42:17   you know i wanted to have my book up so I did not include that in e-book [TS]

01:42:21   versions only in the web version because I was afraid I have nothing constructive [TS]

01:42:25   about that neither do I get angry that they if you if you ever reach a point [TS]

01:42:31   where you are trying to argue for use with somebody else already lost right so [TS]

01:42:34   it's just like it so much easier just remove it and it's on the web if anyone [TS]

01:42:37   says it's because of the delay if I won't complain but if I did you plan to [TS]

01:42:42   have two seconds later I can remove it boom [TS]

01:42:44   text books like so that's why i cant disappointed because I would want you [TS]

01:42:50   know like it'll be able to get the full experience but this is like another one [TS]

01:42:52   of those things that no one's gonna [TS]

01:42:54   I think everyone you know obviously on the web I do have one question I should [TS]

01:43:00   have asked during the show it's very simple you gonna do this again next year [TS]

01:43:03   I was gonna do this year but I ended up there every year ago something terrible [TS]

01:43:09   that this one was like a long drawn-out you think oh great fall I was so happy [TS]

01:43:12   that BBC at about this time to write but then at a certain point like our [TS]

01:43:15   rhetoric is always something like announced the date you know I was so [TS]

01:43:20   long done and then I was just updating us nothing more joyless than having to [TS]

01:43:24   previous interview that you finish writing on September 1st repeatedly [TS]

01:43:28   revisited to revise change revised range that is so terrible writing for the [TS]

01:43:33   first time can be kind of fun you know where hard work the kind of fun but [TS]

01:43:37   revising its just not fun at all so I don't know like the thing the thing that [TS]

01:43:42   makes me keep doing these things is I think about what I don't do it they can [TS]

01:43:48   have someone else do it now you know doing right now we're done this I don't [TS]

01:43:54   want to be sitting there like armchair quarterbacking whoever does your views [TS]

01:43:58   of saying you know laudatory over and especially if they're going to do some [TS]

01:44:01   crazy ass like I was silent I'll style thing how can I resist so it's not in [TS]

01:44:05   some ways the 10th major release is a nice around stopping point kind of like [TS]

01:44:10   episode 298 the numbers of the 10th major release the next thing but on the [TS]

01:44:16   other hand 10 ken is also a round thing and if they ever did 11 like I don't [TS]

01:44:20   know I'm gonna have to stop at some point maybe they'll get worse and worse [TS]

01:44:24   until known reason anymore as soon as I guess is that a good strategy [TS]

01:44:29   yeah you could imagine like who the hell would want this job of trying to fill [TS]

01:44:34   these shoes that as I mean if you don't have to fill the shoes like that's [TS]

01:44:41   that's the thing about people think that this review is getting so widely read [TS]

01:44:44   because they're so good but at this point they get some when they read [TS]

01:44:46   because there are technical and stuff you know I don't think that's true I [TS]

01:44:51   don't either the publication has a reputation at this point people don't [TS]

01:44:55   even look at the byline and they they have no idea who I am [TS]

01:44:58   am or like I bet that's not even close to true I bet that you bring a lot of [TS]

01:45:03   people to Ars Technica for this review that are coming to it because it's your [TS]

01:45:08   review I brought a lot of people you know a lot of the people who work for [TS]

01:45:12   stepping in now said I first came readings almost interview years ago but [TS]

01:45:16   I think at this point I think of the publication has you know a good [TS]

01:45:21   reputation on its own people trusted and the reason that I mean that's the reason [TS]

01:45:26   that this jury gets so much traffic is because the site's traffic has grown so [TS]

01:45:30   much like back in the day we cannot completely rule no [TS]

01:45:34   last year when I did my foot might parody review of your review I told you [TS]

01:45:38   that was by far the number one pageview article on my site for the for all of [TS]

01:45:44   last year and I had a lot of big hits last year and that beat them all but I [TS]

01:45:48   know the actual traffic numbers are as we like to say on the air but I know the [TS]

01:45:52   actual traffic numbers so I can compare apples to apples and ours ours as a site [TS]

01:45:56   its traffic has grown tremendously over the past several years since to the [TS]

01:46:00   credit of all the people who write for the publication and I've just been the [TS]

01:46:02   kind of along for the ride and I mean I get like this I make a very long review [TS]

01:46:08   too so like I think I said like in the line of use that was the most popular [TS]

01:46:12   article on ours for the year right but I think was also the longest so it's this [TS]

01:46:17   year or less traffic than last year [TS]

01:46:19   you know I don't know this because the month that came out in or whatever but I [TS]

01:46:25   mean maybe maybe not just fade away and people care enough about the Mac [TS]

01:46:29   platform to be reading these reviews or maybe there won't be a few short in the [TS]

01:46:34   last year and I think it's because they're less stuff to talk about so like [TS]

01:46:37   I'm thinking of any game kind of like cable talk xoxo only watch like his ass [TS]

01:46:43   and what does it look like I don't know I mean he said things like no fade away [TS]

01:46:48   so out of nothing sells I can sell out or just stop like that's a good thing so [TS]

01:46:55   eventually it the worst time to ask me after i'm just finished telling me like [TS]

01:47:00   I'm never doing that again the conversation I had with my really good [TS]

01:47:05   friend Brian the day that the review came out [TS]

01:47:08   mega told Marco and told one of you but for the live listeners so my very good [TS]

01:47:13   friend brian is a pretty big nerd although he doesn't do this sort of [TS]

01:47:16   thing professionally he sends me on and I am the day the review comes out is one [TS]

01:47:22   of the dudes on your podcast Jonsered he's like yeah how well he is all over [TS]

01:47:29   the internet today I never realized he was a review guy that people don't don't [TS]

01:47:35   know that you know they don't look at the bylines just hold on but they may [TS]

01:47:39   not look at the byline but when the when and new matter when a new OS 10 comes [TS]

01:47:45   out they know to go to our stack nikka and find your review that people used to [TS]

01:47:51   be really into one new iPod came out to be see how that ends well okay yes [TS]

01:47:55   everything eventually does Dajon but I i I think you're being way too humble are [TS]

01:48:01   you saying that you are like the iPod Classic what happens is that the thing [TS]

01:48:05   that I have to offer that's actually a distinct value becomes less and less [TS]

01:48:09   interest because as time goes on there are plenty of people like at this point [TS]

01:48:12   when I was pressuring them nobody was even 2010 was so I was the winner [TS]

01:48:16   because I was the only one writing about it so I was the best writer about her [TS]

01:48:19   but now you know apple and agat so much covered by so many actual professional [TS]

01:48:24   people that I I can't offer what they offer in terms of you know a [TS]

01:48:31   general-purpose review of the opera's all I've got left the value is on the [TS]

01:48:37   guy who's been there all along i sorry for the Mac in 1984 I know all these [TS]

01:48:41   details I have all the historical context I've been deep into every single [TS]

01:48:44   release this is not the first time ever I can give you a historical context with [TS]

01:48:49   maybe knowing which areas to go into technical depth because it could go into [TS]

01:48:53   the same depth that I do many people who could find more features than I do and [TS]

01:48:57   how to pay is about them whatever all I've got to offer is 100 people or [TS]

01:49:01   people eventually don't have you know looks or strength or you know figure [TS]

01:49:06   they just have wisdom you know eventually people like yeah it was a [TS]

01:49:09   great novel I'm going to you know go look at this [TS]

01:49:12   these young people frolicking on the beach is much more interesting so as [TS]

01:49:17   time goes on I will I will have my wisdom I will continue to offer it and [TS]

01:49:21   that will you know may not be enough to sustain interest in these type of things [TS]

01:49:24   so maybe you know like a deal with you know try to bail before things go [TS]

01:49:28   downhill before I jump the shark or just you know continue to do until Mon pays [TS]

01:49:32   attention [TS]