The Accidental Tech Podcast

45: Give Up On The Retina Dream


00:00:00   this show shouldn't be that long people keep asking us about the show they are [TS]

00:00:06   work for the show I move that down but ok we can talk about it much follow up I [TS]

00:00:10   think so I want our market to address that because it is a common frequently [TS]

00:00:14   asked question yes so right now the show has two pieces of artwork it has the old [TS]

00:00:18   Mac Pro at the new badge on it as the official one in the feed ever since the [TS]

00:00:22   BBC have been in bedding in the embedded are working to file 8 the black Mac Pro [TS]

00:00:28   with the new badge over it as kind of a joke [TS]

00:00:31   from the BBC since roughly then we've been trying to get better artwork made [TS]

00:00:37   and the biggest problem we've we've talked to a few designers over the last [TS]

00:00:40   six months or so [TS]

00:00:41   the biggest problem is that we have had no ideas and so we at we ask designer [TS]

00:00:46   like hey we'd love to have you do something for us and of course all good [TS]

00:00:51   designers are always busy and so they asked ok we'll look at what do you want [TS]

00:00:55   and we we have no ideas except that it should contain the text axonal tech [TS]

00:01:01   podcast because all other podcast contain their name in their artwork and [TS]

00:01:07   therefore many podcast clients are designed to not even show the title this [TS]

00:01:11   is I believe true in many sections of the iTunes podcast or where you can just [TS]

00:01:15   see the square artwork and you don't even see the title so it makes it hard [TS]

00:01:19   to find the show with the titles in the art work beside that we have had nothing [TS]

00:01:24   else to work on however you guys all know us and you can probably take a [TS]

00:01:28   guess that even though we have no ideas we are going to be critical of anything [TS]

00:01:32   related to us which therefore means that we are the worst possible clients to [TS]

00:01:35   have for designer so you telling people that we need the full name inside the [TS]

00:01:41   things I would be happy with the initials that's what I [TS]

00:01:45   alright well as making progress here I you know I would I think I would argue [TS]

00:01:51   against that [TS]

00:01:53   because if you just have the initials that's enough for a fan of the show has [TS]

00:01:58   it in their fields to be able to recognize rather than just a diagonal [TS]

00:02:01   banner saying knew well the fan but I I would say people who already subscribe [TS]

00:02:07   to it and already recognized as a thing the artwork being recognizable as less [TS]

00:02:14   of a problem for them and I would say are now probably is very recognizable [TS]

00:02:17   still if you're browsing a list the bigger problem is attracting new people [TS]

00:02:21   to the show and most people browsing this site the iTunes Store they see this [TS]

00:02:25   square this as ATP they're gonna think this is like the most interesting [TS]

00:02:28   adenosine triphosphate podcast in the world and its gonna we're not going to [TS]

00:02:33   attract new people that way but also be attended by guest I can't believe you do [TS]

00:02:39   adenosine triphosphate as the husband of a biology teacher I am very impressed [TS]

00:02:43   I'm not I'm not going to pretend like I know whether it's pronounced that way or [TS]

00:02:46   not but I'm pretty sure that you're right I write the reason this question [TS]

00:02:51   comes up is because since we recorded the last episode new Mac Pros have been [TS]

00:02:56   really sure we'll talk about that later in the show and people keep asking on [TS]

00:02:59   Twitter are you going to change the artwork for the podcast to be the new [TS]

00:03:05   Mac Pro instead of the old one with a big new banner on so I mean I made that [TS]

00:03:10   our work six months ago I could change it I might as well i mean we're trying [TS]

00:03:15   to get new artwork made still so I thought it would be a little weird to [TS]

00:03:18   change the artwork now and then change it again like a month or something you [TS]

00:03:23   should keep the existing old style cheese grater with the new thing on it [TS]

00:03:27   till we get it and we'll just have to endure the constant questions about why [TS]

00:03:32   we haven't changed our work but the distinction here is making there is [TS]

00:03:36   important that the individual embedded artwork in each audio file is the new [TS]

00:03:43   one but the artwork for the show is the old are you [TS]

00:03:46   the art note in the XML feed is the old Mac Pro and that's what most clients [TS]

00:03:52   including but some clients will read from inside the mp3 file and show that [TS]

00:03:57   are working with his those people have been seeing the new one yet we got a lot [TS]

00:04:01   of feedback about lol [TS]

00:04:03   is there a bug is something wrong here because sometimes I get the cheese [TS]

00:04:07   grater sometimes I get the trash can and and that's why it's because the XML feed [TS]

00:04:12   RSS feed has one icon or 11 bit of artwork and the embedded was an id3 tags [TS]

00:04:19   have a different piece of artwork so bear with us we will make it through [TS]

00:04:24   this together so with that said before we talk more about the Mac Pro and I go [TS]

00:04:30   to bed is there any follow-up the you might have John about other things last [TS]

00:04:36   show we talked a lot about her reading applications and the things we could do [TS]

00:04:40   to add more valuable signal to the suitability of applications besides just [TS]

00:04:47   easily Games star ratings and reviews and one of the social things that were [TS]

00:04:53   talking about was what if you can know what applications that your friends are [TS]

00:04:56   using her that they like or whatever and the level of creepiness privacy [TS]

00:05:00   violations of that and someone whose name I take a run at this today jane may [TS]

00:05:06   be said that app store pages have facebook like on them which you know [TS]

00:05:11   that's what more could you ask for in terms of knowing what your friends do [TS]

00:05:16   because the facebook like button is ubiquitous if people use Facebook then [TS]

00:05:20   they are to have their relationships with people on the go see what other [TS]

00:05:22   friends like something I think that's a solution for Apple though and I think [TS]

00:05:27   Apple things as it seems more like a stopgap because a totally cut out [TS]

00:05:33   anybody Facebook and Apple despite their integration with Facebook and Twitter [TS]

00:05:39   tends not to want to rely on third-party companies for things that are important [TS]

00:05:44   and so I had to think that that is in there just because Apple doesn't know [TS]

00:05:50   what else to do but it's not a viable long-term solution personally doesn't [TS]

00:05:53   help me at all because I don't use Facebook so that doesn't help at all I [TS]

00:05:56   do use the app store and at the App Store itself had a system that was like [TS]

00:05:59   this I would use it because he is the App Store but requiring me to sign up [TS]

00:06:03   for news some other third-party service to make this happen is not really [TS]

00:06:07   solution and i also think that ok what they did with Twitter use Twitter right [TS]

00:06:10   well you just get to the bottom of the blogs from a couple of years ago [TS]

00:06:15   thousand badges for you would like it into posted to Google Buzz in to give it [TS]

00:06:20   a plus on Google+ and retweet on Twitter and like us on Facebook and Apple needs [TS]

00:06:26   an actual solutions but it is worth pointing out that they've got that [TS]

00:06:29   Facebook thing to be there and I didn't recall that at all do you remember ever [TS]

00:06:34   seeing little on clicking on the little like but I mean I have seen them they [TS]

00:06:39   added them I think even iOS 6 has been there for a while however may be just me [TS]

00:06:46   and my circle of friends I have never seen more than like one or two likes [TS]

00:06:51   there and I'm not really like I i'm accustomed to ignoring Facebook and that [TS]

00:06:56   things all over the web but everything I see anyway so I I like noticed it once [TS]

00:07:00   and then ignored it for the rest of time like a better blindness I literally [TS]

00:07:03   don't see that someone tells me to look for and even then as a hard time driving [TS]

00:07:08   my eyes towards it booted off and go around it becomes invisible ad banner [TS]

00:07:13   blindness is a fascinating I'm sure there's tons and tons of precedence for [TS]

00:07:18   the same phenomenon but you have to have a name for it and to have such frequent [TS]

00:07:22   occasion to see things a broad line is so insane that like I remember maybe [TS]

00:07:27   five years ago I was about to write like an angry maybe use Twitter something was [TS]

00:07:33   about to write an angry email to the people who are on Twitter back in like [TS]

00:07:35   20 they don't have a huge hugging button somewhere in there on one of their pages [TS]

00:07:41   to do some common function and the button was there but I literally could [TS]

00:07:45   not see it because it was surrounded by things that look like an ad like it it [TS]

00:07:49   had enough around maybe with their own shape their own proportions are their [TS]

00:07:53   own colors at my eyes just couldn't see it I searched the page and scanning on [TS]

00:07:57   campus should be totally prominent dementias right in front of my face and [TS]

00:08:02   I was like why did I not see that a barren blindness it's a real thing [TS]

00:08:05   oh yeah I mean that when I was when I was designing Instapaper back in the day [TS]

00:08:10   with a problem with the website I had I had like one main content column and [TS]

00:08:16   then off to the right ahead a little sidebar and you know the kind of common [TS]

00:08:20   have the main list and in the sidebar to have folders and then you know kind of [TS]

00:08:24   other I can use it as a junk drawer you know [TS]

00:08:26   export was that would be like different management functions bulk delete stuff [TS]

00:08:32   like that I would constantly get ready get feature requests for features that I [TS]

00:08:37   had already implemented that were in that sidebar [TS]

00:08:40   because people just do not see them like they it's anything it's a very heart [TS]

00:08:46   problems or anything you put in a in a place that usually is an ad in most [TS]

00:08:50   layouts like a sidebar or big leaderboard on top or something like [TS]

00:08:53   that people just will not see you're totally right that's a real thing and [TS]

00:08:57   it's it's a big designed challenged the military's use of a camouflage because [TS]

00:09:01   you make something but the same proportions as typical ad banner over [TS]

00:09:06   the same kind of colors or like it you know sort of fuzzy and your peripheral [TS]

00:09:10   vision out of the car near Ivan looks like an ad brain will never look at it [TS]

00:09:14   thanks look like giant punch the monkey medium rectangle size at a soldier it's [TS]

00:09:23   a very big alright so the next bit is a couple of tweets about doing puts [TS]

00:09:32   players like to talk about that slide that Apple had a Mac Pro presentation [TS]

00:09:35   that it supports single and dual inputs players and we were wondering what the [TS]

00:09:39   hell do input display couple people have been have responded that there exists [TS]

00:09:45   displays that it's like like we suspected in the case of high resolution [TS]

00:09:50   will split the display and two parts and I have two connections and one [TS]

00:09:55   connection drives one part of the display and other partners to be sort of [TS]

00:09:58   support on both ends of the connection to keep things and saying consoled you [TS]

00:10:03   know each side is showing the right image or whatever and I assume this was [TS]

00:10:09   done before the advent of Thunderbolt too because it was the only way them to [TS]

00:10:13   dry before k display because a single main display port in the old standard or [TS]

00:10:17   Thunderbolt one connection or DVI would never had a resolution limit that was [TS]

00:10:21   insufficient to drive for k displays I just took up two of those cables and [TS]

00:10:26   then one get one half and the operating system is aware of what's going on [TS]

00:10:31   everything works but I still don't know is would do input display is give us the [TS]

00:10:37   ability to have something that's [TS]

00:10:39   above four ka resolution and other it could you have two Thunderbolt to [TS]

00:10:43   connections and would that allow the Mac Pro with two Thunderbolt cables going to [TS]

00:10:48   this monitor be able to drive a higher than for kids but it seems like it [TS]

00:10:52   should but knowing nothing else about it I don't really see why not I mean if you [TS]

00:10:58   know like these displays are suits here it's it's it's it's basically left and [TS]

00:11:03   right halves so it's 1920 by 2164 you have four kids play if you could make [TS]

00:11:10   that a little bit bigger you can accommodate 5121 5122 by 2080 which is [TS]

00:11:17   you know it the 27 inch version of retina we have today you can come it [TS]

00:11:23   very easily and not hit any bandwidth limit along the way if you're doing like [TS]

00:11:26   left and right how that would work resumed with the exact same way just [TS]

00:11:30   with a few more pixels and I know of anything like that exists but this is [TS]

00:11:34   what they're putting up on that slide the thing that we were unaware of is [TS]

00:11:37   that before the avenue thunderbolt is everybody supported forecast and the Mac [TS]

00:11:41   Pro supports that so if you happen to have one of those monitors your you know [TS]

00:11:44   you're good to go [TS]

00:11:45   and interestingly the new Retina MacBook Pro I'm pretty sure does not support [TS]

00:11:50   that have to verify that yeah I think they say I think of some sort I can't [TS]

00:11:54   somebody says the most it will do is forecast and I think actually 10910 [TS]

00:12:01   might be the first release 10 that adds support for this feature as well so it's [TS]

00:12:05   a hardware and software combinations to make sure that it supports dual inputs [TS]

00:12:09   ways right otherwise you'd have liked you know the menu bar attack up the left [TS]

00:12:13   half of the top of the screen and weird weird stuff like that as if it were to [TS]

00:12:17   different places so you wouldn't want that [TS]

00:12:20   and speaking of displays and talk more about the macro type of this fall but we [TS]

00:12:24   talked about that sharp display that appeared briefly [TS]

00:12:27   the European website and it disappeared not only is it back as something you [TS]

00:12:31   could order on the Apple Retail Store Online Store rather with your Mac Pro [TS]

00:12:37   but if you were to go to the new version of the Final Cut Pro 10 web page at [TS]

00:12:42   apple.com they show screenshots of Final Cut I'm actually show it running on the [TS]

00:12:48   sharp monitors with the word sharp brand front of that many black of the logo [TS]

00:12:52   with the oval it'll stand and it is really weird to see a big you know a [TS]

00:12:59   prominent display of non-apple hardware on a product page on a big product pages [TS]

00:13:03   not obscure thing this is not a tiny image after the car this is a full with [TS]

00:13:07   gigantic image of sharp displays and a couple of wonderful displays as well but [TS]

00:13:15   since they're really pushing for K and I'll post up I guess I mean what choices [TS]

00:13:19   that they have to show that because there are pushing for k support that [TS]

00:13:22   show for came under and that the only one that got so I don't know a lot of [TS]

00:13:29   people are saying that this just proves that they weren't ready with their for [TS]

00:13:32   solutions that had to do something maybe but the tiny little scared voices maybe [TS]

00:13:37   they just never gonna make a four-game on it or maybe this is getting out of [TS]

00:13:40   the monitor business and you're just going to have to buy one of these [TS]

00:13:43   plastic things well or I mean it could go a couple other ways to i mean it [TS]

00:13:49   could it could be that the first the first 5121 2880 panels that Apple [TS]

00:13:55   shipped my going to run on Mac just similar to how when and when the when [TS]

00:14:01   this iMac came out when we have now that the 27 and screaming I first came out of [TS]

00:14:05   this ad shows ago you could not buy a 27 inch 2560 1440 panel and you for anybody [TS]

00:14:13   else for at least a few months after that came out and certainly the 38th [TS]

00:14:18   displays that had that resolution we're not as good as advanced into had worse [TS]

00:14:23   color contrast worse brightness stuff like that and they were more expensive [TS]

00:14:27   it's possible maybe maybe they're just savings plan for you I'm at first and [TS]

00:14:33   seeing all the macro customers can go get there are monitors for now [TS]

00:14:36   it's also possible and you don't have to be mutually exclusive [TS]

00:14:40   it also possible that there simply not going to make a four-game that they're [TS]

00:14:46   gonna jump right past that and just make a 5120 by 2018 monitor they don't need [TS]

00:14:51   to make a 3840 by whatever you know maybe they just get that because for the [TS]

00:14:56   purpose of their computer monitors [TS]

00:14:58   you know it's it's it's an awkward resolution because of these side issues [TS]

00:15:02   we discussed previously we're like if you're gonna run that as a as a two X [TS]

00:15:06   retina monitor it pretty much can't be larger than about 24 inches if your [TS]

00:15:12   gonna run as a one-act monitor it has to be like 32 inches so it's you know a lot [TS]

00:15:17   larger than what they make now in a large one of their desks so it's it's [TS]

00:15:22   kind of a weird resolution to deal with as general-purpose computer monitors and [TS]

00:15:27   if you look at the screen shots in the final cut pro page they're not running [TS]

00:15:31   those monitors and IDBI mode as far as I can tell you look at the size of the [TS]

00:15:35   menu bar on their running them in native res which is pretty squinty [TS]

00:15:39   but you know it's it's right after my own heart of like yes please no [TS]

00:15:44   nonnative redesign I'll see if you can help it if they're going to wait for it [TS]

00:15:49   to go on the iMac first though that is depressing because can you think about [TS]

00:15:52   how long it's gonna take for this to be an affordable display and I'm at 4:04 [TS]

00:15:56   a.m. and we had a better name for this thing about a quad 27 inch is basically [TS]

00:16:01   take the existing 27 and Thunderbolt Display make for them to come together [TS]

00:16:05   that's what we're talking about in terms of pixels alright so the for a quad 27 [TS]

00:16:09   inch display [TS]

00:16:12   gonna be a long time before that is inexpensive enough to go and I might [TS]

00:16:16   because this one this fork a display that isn't even that high resolution is [TS]

00:16:19   $4,000 so maybe next year and have some pricing is two thousand one more year it [TS]

00:16:24   down 21 death this is an even higher resolution we're talking about so well [TS]

00:16:28   to be fair though like proquote pro monitors are always a lot more expensive [TS]

00:16:32   then similar quality desktop monitors from from like afford for normal use a [TS]

00:16:37   different color accuracy requirement and stuff like that but the 27 inch iMac [TS]

00:16:41   with that money that really good quality to win that first came to the iMac babe [TS]

00:16:46   maybe wasn't super duper calibrated professional photog [TS]

00:16:49   but it was really good quality sure yet but I mean you look at the Del the new [TS]

00:16:53   Dell you whatever the u20 for the 24 inch Dell for its 1200 bucks or thirteen [TS]

00:17:00   13 and regular piano every time you look at the whole thing that's different [TS]

00:17:03   price so it's it's about 1200 bucks and and 24 h porque and that's that's really [TS]

00:17:10   cheap compared to everything else we've seen so far I think they even said the [TS]

00:17:14   28 inch version is going to be cheaper at the 800 but it might not be as good [TS]

00:17:18   of a pound some of that but the point is I think we're I think the Dell 24 inch [TS]

00:17:24   for case shows that this might not be as far as we think that it has to be [TS]

00:17:31   affordable for this to be available and affordable in our quad 27 inch [TS]

00:17:36   theoretical resolution maybe this comes out in six months or a year and maybe [TS]

00:17:41   maybe Apple charges 1500 to 2000 for it I guess we should transition right into [TS]

00:17:48   Mac Pro discussion has been talking about it and I think Casey put this [TS]

00:17:51   question at the bottom of the follow-up here I did anyone buy a Mac Pro we are [TS]

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00:21:48   amount of what a lot polarized glasses I'm a little unclear as to why this this [TS]

00:21:55   has this effect but the polarizing filter with the light going through and [TS]

00:21:59   only one vibration directions whenever it makes it so that you don't need to [TS]

00:22:03   reduce the amount of light coming in as much to get the two for your eyes to be [TS]

00:22:10   able to open fully and you know not be squinting all the time and not have that [TS]

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00:22:52   anyway the point is if you have a heads up display if you look at it at the [TS]

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00:23:09   sure I i dont have found a way to make this not LCDs have a polarizer as the [TS]

00:23:13   front larry was basically the ideas if if the LCD polarizer is at a 90 degree [TS]

00:23:21   angle to the polarizer in-your-face blocks all light so that if you turn it [TS]

00:23:26   he rotated around at some point unless they should become black that's true but [TS]

00:23:32   I've never noticed that my car which does not mean you are wrong it doesn't [TS]

00:23:35   mean that it's not the case I've just never noticed it I think modern else if [TS]

00:23:39   you have like a diffuser on it that scrambles up all the lights so it's not [TS]

00:23:42   all on polarizes it after that point I don't know some will tell us yes we have [TS]

00:23:47   many ways to tell yes that's what I was saying we do with your calculator way if [TS]

00:23:50   you have polarized they just twisted and turned right so thanks to worry Parker [TS]

00:23:56   for sponsoring an and I've mentioned this several times in past because [TS]

00:23:59   they've been kind enough to sponsor several times but one of the great [TS]

00:24:02   things about him try on is that you can grab several lenses are not ones excuse [TS]

00:24:07   me several frames and you can try all of them you can try to five and what I did [TS]

00:24:13   when I got my sunglasses I put in like three or four that I thought you were my [TS]

00:24:20   general style my standard style they were they were not hipster doll and then [TS]

00:24:25   I put in one or two that were kind of hipster and as it ends up I actually [TS]

00:24:29   shows one of the hipster frames because I thought they looked the best and so I [TS]

00:24:34   am very glad that I was able to try them on at home because if I were not able to [TS]

00:24:40   try on several or if I were only able to try on one or two I don't think I would [TS]

00:24:44   have chosen the length of the frames I got and I really really really like them [TS]

00:24:48   and they're really great so definitely check them out yet history even better [TS]

00:24:51   she only for her home trying she only pick three but they give you five so [TS]

00:24:56   they just picked two other ones that were similar to the one she had picked [TS]

00:25:00   but like a little bit different and then she ended up choosing one of the ones [TS]

00:25:03   they pick for now anyway thanks thanks [TS]

00:25:06   awesome if you if you wear glasses or if you want to wear glasses [TS]

00:25:09   Parker dot com slash ATB that's a that's a free trip for them but they should do [TS]

00:25:14   is have a button that says i cant choose frames here's a picture of me send me [TS]

00:25:18   five you think will look good on me you know sometimes the best part it's also [TS]

00:25:24   like most part of my co which ones do I one and sometimes especially if you are [TS]

00:25:28   fashioned disabled as I am a picture of me as I look like the serious reflection [TS]

00:25:38   we shouldn't joke about that so John today [TS]

00:25:43   Mac Pros were available for order did you order a new Mac Pro show that I [TS]

00:25:49   wanna wait for gaming benchmarks and other things I did click around on the [TS]

00:25:53   store but I did not order one now Casey yr me asking you if you want a new Mac [TS]

00:25:58   Pro did you order a new Mac Pro I did really well of course not know there's [TS]

00:26:07   no part of me that desires a non mobile computer and I'm not saying I'm right [TS]

00:26:13   I'm not saying that this makes sense but for me I've ever since she's on her now [TS]

00:26:18   2002 I have always had laptops and I've either exclusively had laptops or almost [TS]

00:26:26   exclusively have laptops and I've always preferred that form factor because I [TS]

00:26:32   guess by and large I don't need a million gigabytes of storage space [TS]

00:26:36   within my computer I don't need a lot of the things you guys need I don't mean [TS]

00:26:40   that to patronize you i mean that gentleman and so I've always preferred [TS]

00:26:43   to have mobile computers and because of that I actually have to MacBook Pros [TS]

00:26:49   morning is from work one is that one is one that I bought and I was considering [TS]

00:26:54   buying a retina MacBook Pro but no pro do you have an extra monitor hooked up [TS]

00:26:59   to that idea I do like that you're using this thing that itself has it has a [TS]

00:27:06   screen and a keyboard on it but you're not using that screen and you're not [TS]

00:27:09   using that keyboard you've got another keyboard [TS]

00:27:11   her input device looking at two different screen slowdown sir so what I [TS]

00:27:17   have at home is an external Apple Bluetooth keyboard one of the ones that [TS]

00:27:23   takes its four batteries I have a magic mouse that I use both at work and at [TS]

00:27:28   home and then i have a samsung Display that something around 20 inches at home [TS]

00:27:34   and there's a plethora of different displays that we use at work all of [TS]

00:27:39   which are around the same size but I always always always use dual displays [TS]

00:27:45   so it work I have to display is at home I have two displays and I think it's [TS]

00:27:49   absolutely barbaric to not use two displays like you've got a one-year [TS]

00:27:54   screen sizes keyboard hanging over the don't use unless it's on your lap and [TS]

00:27:57   it's got a track pad in front of that but you don't use because using a magic [TS]

00:28:00   mouse and monitor is too low as your propped up on a stand and then have that [TS]

00:28:05   big thing getting out in front of you if you want two screens get two screens [TS]

00:28:08   like I think there's room in everyone's life for a test in in defense of the [TS]

00:28:12   setup but you were just making fun of John I had that setup for the first few [TS]

00:28:16   years of Tumblr and it was great I mean when I did finally get a Mac Pro and [TS]

00:28:20   dual monitors that was better but the setup of having having a laptop on a [TS]

00:28:26   stand and then having a full size keyboard or mouse on the desktop and [TS]

00:28:30   then having a big monitor plug into the laptop you're right it's just sitting [TS]

00:28:33   there floating not being use it screen so you have the day of the big display [TS]

00:28:38   as your primary or secondary full-size keyboard or mouse on the desktop honest [TS]

00:28:43   and that's a great setup your desk gonna be covered in wires but that is a great [TS]

00:28:48   setup I would like it better if you if you could fold the laptop back so that [TS]

00:28:53   you know the part they are not using is back behind the display you know I mean [TS]

00:28:57   like a slate tablet known I understand what you're saying but you still need a [TS]

00:29:03   little stand that you just get rid of that part that the horizontal partners [TS]

00:29:05   jutting out towards you just looking stupid with input devices the United [TS]

00:29:10   using it it does look stupid like any normal person walks by your desk manager [TS]

00:29:15   said they will make fun of it but then you see them [TS]

00:29:18   hunched over their desk hunched over a laptop is finding the desk all day long [TS]

00:29:22   and they complain about her neck and shoulders hurt [TS]

00:29:24   laptops are yeah alright anyway case you did not get a Mac Pro Marco the only [TS]

00:29:32   person left who could have conceivably bought one so I I said previously that I [TS]

00:29:36   was probably not going to get one until they had retina displays so I bought 10 [TS]

00:29:43   taking it had a Retina Display you just never qualified that had to be an apple [TS]

00:29:47   red flag was implied but technically we go back and listen to the tape will hear [TS]

00:29:51   that you just said well if they offer its right there on the page when you [TS]

00:29:55   scroll down you click like that of Arcadis play yes and if you if you don't [TS]

00:29:59   look really closely you might think wow display which I thought for a [TS]

00:30:03   millisecond when I first saw that page that no sharp on the small icon that [TS]

00:30:09   Mavericks background on its an apple the small nose know and I and I didn't buy [TS]

00:30:13   that despite the offer now so everyone I probably wouldn't have order one today [TS]

00:30:21   if they were gonna be just like in stock normally and I could borrow never wanted [TS]

00:30:26   but I didn't want it so bad that I was gonna order it at three so I woke up [TS]

00:30:32   this morning took care of my family did all the morning stuff and then checked [TS]

00:30:36   and it said shipping in February ok well I guess I should probably think about [TS]

00:30:42   ordering I wanted to time soon so I I had or if so there's a thing in new york [TS]

00:30:48   state where New York State computer hardware is sales tax exempt if it's [TS]

00:30:53   going to be used primarily for software development are making websites which [TS]

00:30:57   mine is so but to get the cells that exempting you have to either file for it [TS]

00:31:02   later with the state after you paid it and try to get reimbursed which is a [TS]

00:31:04   disaster paperwork that only light tempt or buy it through an apple business rep [TS]

00:31:09   but I did I you know the business rep my store and said hey I want one of these [TS]

00:31:14   things let's let's do it and that also comes with a small discount they mine [TS]

00:31:20   was discovered something like $400 but it was it was a pretty good discount [TS]

00:31:24   that's not small and so I I did that because I and I even asked is there [TS]

00:31:30   gonna get it before February like the website well we can put it on the [TS]

00:31:34   separator system there are some kind of priority but [TS]

00:31:37   probably not visibly was the answer so I got it mainly because I think between [TS]

00:31:43   now and February a lot of people going to get these things and everyone else [TS]

00:31:48   can figure out what is the best retina monitor situation solution if any right [TS]

00:31:53   now is that the Dells is it the other things who knows everyone else was [TS]

00:31:58   trying to figure that out and then by the time I get mine I can decide then [TS]

00:32:01   whether to keep using my display and hope the cable doesn't flake out keep [TS]

00:32:05   using my thirtieth have now until Apple makes their own you know four times the [TS]

00:32:10   27th we have today or I can go down I mean I've actually and said I have never [TS]

00:32:17   even had an Apple display so it wouldn't be a very good for me to buy a non-apple [TS]

00:32:20   display again because everybody is so that's what I'm going with a really any [TS]

00:32:27   doubt in your mind that you would immediately instead by the new Mac Pro I [TS]

00:32:31   really thought that I would wait until you know the spring and see what people [TS]

00:32:38   said about them see how big of a performance gain there was from the old [TS]

00:32:42   one like that that's what you said you were gonna wait and wait until the [TS]

00:32:46   gretna stuffs ready you were totally going home and waiting so much so that I [TS]

00:32:51   was like yeah maybe I'll wait like Marco but I should have known you never gonna [TS]

00:32:54   wait while the other thing is you know like it with with almost all Apple [TS]

00:32:58   hardware the price doesn't ever go down during the life cycle of the product [TS]

00:33:02   especially max has changed a lot but in the Mac area it's not like this macro is [TS]

00:33:10   gonna cost $1,000 less in six months that the price does not change its gonna [TS]

00:33:15   say this exact same price from now through whenever the next one comes out [TS]

00:33:20   that rose only had a price drop once and that was the the quote update last year [TS]

00:33:26   that they did was to hit that caused our logo 22 so besides that there's never [TS]

00:33:32   been a price drop on on a current Mac Pro whether i buy it now or whether I [TS]

00:33:37   biotin six months doesn't make much of a difference really it's like you're [TS]

00:33:41   paying the same price might as well have it sooner and have all that extra [TS]

00:33:45   performance sooner cuz there is a lot of stuff I do today that will benefit from [TS]

00:33:49   the extra speed [TS]

00:33:50   quite a lot actually especially with the production of the show and a bunch of [TS]

00:33:54   like image editing tasks I often do you like big batch operations on big [TS]

00:33:58   forceful than just stuff like that where I i paralyzed everything I mean there's [TS]

00:34:02   there's a lot that I'm going to gain from it immediately and it's not going [TS]

00:34:06   to be like you know tremendous like 10 times faster than I have now but it is [TS]

00:34:10   going to be between one and a half and two times faster than what I have now [TS]

00:34:13   and that will add up so when you get you any corner 32 gig yet exactly and the so [TS]

00:34:20   I think I would say that the best value configuration if you want the best bang [TS]

00:34:25   for your buck it's the six core no question the eight-core it's probably [TS]

00:34:30   not worth its price it's a lot more money for the Accor probably not worth [TS]

00:34:34   it for most people you know not only do you like her boobs just basically the [TS]

00:34:39   same between the two six core is only 500 bucks more a core is 1500 more than [TS]

00:34:46   26 so that's that's a big price difference the only thing is the Accord [TS]

00:34:50   does have double the cash it's even more actually it's 12 versus 25 megabytes so [TS]

00:34:56   it has a lot more cash that will affect performance not as much as like two more [TS]

00:35:01   cores would but that will have an effect on performance that's notable for auto [TS]

00:35:06   workload so the Accord is what's interesting there's a big reason I [TS]

00:35:12   blogged hoelter boost thing I'd like to but again today I'm not going over in [TS]

00:35:15   the show because it's too long and boring and of course I would never do [TS]

00:35:17   something like that show but basically the 12 cortex gonna be slower than the a [TS]

00:35:23   core for a lot of things for almost anything that's not using every core all [TS]

00:35:28   the time the according to the fastest shipping line up and that's one of the [TS]

00:35:31   reasons why Apple has given other reviewers the Accord model and model so [TS]

00:35:36   what GPU Gia I was all set to get the d500 the middle one but I ended up going [TS]

00:35:42   with d700 and and the reason why is because once I prices whole thing out [TS]

00:35:46   the price difference in you know it's like price $600 and it's a small [TS]

00:35:51   percentage of the [TS]

00:35:54   and and you know what the discount is probably more like you know 5:25 or 530 [TS]

00:35:57   someone that whatever whatever it was it was less oh yeah they're like that price [TS]

00:36:00   relativism like you know if I thought of it separately do I want to spend $600 on [TS]

00:36:04   the GPU mi said no already putting all this stuff what's the extra you know few [TS]

00:36:10   percentage points on top of that so I and I did that because the GPUs probably [TS]

00:36:18   can't be reasonably upgraded yes they're on slots yes technically they are [TS]

00:36:23   replaceable but you can only replace them with other Apple supplied parts [TS]

00:36:28   chances are going to cost a fortune to to replace these things if you wanted to [TS]

00:36:33   upgrade these things in two years it's not going to cost you 60 bucks probably [TS]

00:36:37   cost like 1500 2000 like it's gonna cost you a lot it's upgrading your [TS]

00:36:43   motherboard your Mac Pro operation even if even if Apple will sell you the part [TS]

00:36:48   so I'm guessing like OWC and I can make their own replacement GPU that will work [TS]

00:36:54   with this it was namely that it's going to be very it's the kind of thing that [TS]

00:36:58   basically is not replaceable over the lifetime of the machine so for a very [TS]

00:37:02   small different get the best one i I did it mostly so that I don't regret not [TS]

00:37:07   getting the best one in like two years I'm still using this and then all of a [TS]

00:37:11   sudden I'm hitting the barrier of the d500 on something I'm doing and that [TS]

00:37:15   might never happen that's the risk attaining us and then you know why [TS]

00:37:20   eventually we saw this is more so with this way back in the day you were gonna [TS]

00:37:26   wait and I had to buy me too because I can't stand her anymore but now the [TS]

00:37:29   thing is out and I played with the price configurator and all that stuff [TS]

00:37:34   god these things are expensive and like I'm in the configurator and the like [TS]

00:37:39   first time you're under you just go pick everything you want to meet the press [TS]

00:37:43   you like yeah that's not gonna happen right so that I gotta go and say what do [TS]

00:37:46   I sacrifice well so you know six car go back down from a cheaper the GPU [TS]

00:37:55   I had picked the 700th anniversary run through like half the reason I'm buying [TS]

00:37:58   the things I want to give you a don't need all that VRAM but I do like the [TS]

00:38:02   execution it again without gaming benchmarks I don't know [TS]

00:38:04   if it's going to serve my needs because this machine is not made for me I'm just [TS]

00:38:09   trying to use it because it's the only machine that comes with something more [TS]

00:38:13   than a mobile GPU from Apple and i dont wanna mobile GPU and gaming GPU Apple [TS]

00:38:18   doesn't offer gaming anymore they offer professional GPUs which of these monster [TS]

00:38:22   things in here that are not what I want or need and might not even run games [TS]

00:38:27   that well we'll see or have a mobile GPU and so I'm trying to make this machine [TS]

00:38:32   to something that's really not and so I couldn't keep you down and think about [TS]

00:38:38   this machine is that both of us were kind of you you are still caught up in [TS]

00:38:41   this but we're both going up new ideas like this is this is one the desktop is [TS]

00:38:46   gonna rain tonight laptops around will not be areas but the regular MacBook [TS]

00:38:49   Pros and gone written all the iOS devices are ready finally with this [TS]

00:38:53   crazy ass thing black so under thing we're going to have the power to go read [TS]

00:38:59   it on the desktop not gonna come to the iMac versus going to come to the Mac Pro [TS]

00:39:02   for Mac Pro cost a billion dollars and it can run a Retina display and you're [TS]

00:39:06   still holding on to that dream but at this point I'm kind of like I have to [TS]

00:39:10   give up on the retina dream at least 2014 retina is not a suicide pact I'm [TS]

00:39:15   not gonna spend my entire life savings machine to try to get just a desktop [TS]

00:39:19   display with something in retina I have to just go and say it's not going to [TS]

00:39:24   happen next year [TS]

00:39:25   like you know what I want I want the big quad 27 just doesn't even exist that [TS]

00:39:30   might not even be able to be driven by the thing anyway and so I look at this [TS]

00:39:35   as a machine not driving or end by the way if I'm gonna buy renewed strength [TS]

00:39:39   and another $1500 to $4,000 display get to the cost of this already tremendously [TS]

00:39:45   expensive thing and if I don't get a Retina display and then I have to ask [TS]

00:39:50   what is this machine getting me that upgrading my system Mac Pro 11 of I just [TS]

00:39:56   put in Pasadena gaming card into my existing macro like a word that that [TS]

00:40:02   running game is better and CPUs does exactly what it I know if that's because [TS]

00:40:06   I have a really big and I'm at work and I know if you lose weight faster than [TS]

00:40:10   the spinning disk errors I know what that's like [TS]

00:40:11   and the game again card upgrade and what that would be like to that would be WAY [TS]

00:40:16   cheaper and I would like think about my MacPro I would also have to have all [TS]

00:40:20   these disks in external enclosures that like fire wire enclosures and yeah I [TS]

00:40:24   have the nests and everything but I don't want to get rid of this fire why [TS]

00:40:26   this would have to be a thunderbolt and closer to put their stuff in my [TS]

00:40:31   Thunderbolt public I can actually just the money just keeps flowing out of me [TS]

00:40:36   and into the hands of people and I don't know if I don't know if I should buy [TS]

00:40:43   this machine I don't know if I should just wait until it is like you said it's [TS]

00:40:46   not like I always six months and now they won't like that until the new [TS]

00:40:50   versions come out next year maybe if I'm lucky WEC the announced revised macros [TS]

00:40:55   well it will be that soon because the next Xeon chips law even be out until I [TS]

00:41:00   think you for next year the CPUs will be the same but as I said that the GPUs [TS]

00:41:04   that are in these are already based on AMD's previous gen they have revised [TS]

00:41:09   their their GPU core so it is conceivable that WC control around which [TS]

00:41:13   is kind of the year anniversary but not really like the University of the [TS]

00:41:17   announcement and they'll say I was going to be on what else could they put in it [TS]

00:41:21   right maybe there will be a slight price drop on that but both about looking for [TS]

00:41:25   is they were revised the GPUs should be the new architecture st. maybe hold the [TS]

00:41:30   prices seem to be a little better but like [TS]

00:41:32   maybe there's something out there if I just got it right off 2014 and say in [TS]

00:41:37   2015 that's when I'll get my Mac Pro and maybe by then in 2015 is a chance that [TS]

00:41:42   I'll retina displays real-time display squad 27 inch I don't know I haven't [TS]

00:41:45   made a decision yet but I'm definitely thinking about I'm definitely in pricing [TS]

00:41:49   out a macro that also pricing out an SSD and a new card from existing macro or by [TS]

00:41:56   the way if you want to sell your Mac Pro Marco [TS]

00:41:59   give me a sweetheart dear deal you know I don't lie don't lie I actually was [TS]

00:42:03   just thinking like how the hell am I gonna sell this pci-express SSD who's [TS]

00:42:07   gonna bite us well I don't know how good it is often look at bike I don't I would [TS]

00:42:12   never put that in my machine is it seems like finicky and expensive not really [TS]

00:42:15   just have i guess i dont wanna whatever but I don't know like it's not finicky [TS]

00:42:18   it is expensive but I i would i would say this to you for a good price because [TS]

00:42:24   I don't want to sell it like two in public I just don't want another cheese [TS]

00:42:28   grater coming into my office this month ago and I just tell you the card if you [TS]

00:42:33   want I don't know that point I would just by myself in a city that I can be [TS]

00:42:39   used in place of you know i buy it actual SATA SATA enclosure I don't think [TS]

00:42:43   he'll mind me saying this guy I bought this PCI Express card probably months [TS]

00:42:49   ago it was before the BBC by by a good amount I think it was like in February [TS]

00:42:54   something so I IDM Jim Dalrymple before buying it gives you an idea of him and [TS]

00:43:02   I'm like hey just you don't need to answer this but do you know whether the [TS]

00:43:08   next Mac Pro will still have PCI Express slots because I really wanted to like I [TS]

00:43:13   was gonna buy the thing I like everyone to use it if possible and I thought back [TS]

00:43:17   then of course it would have PCI Express slots why wouldn't why would they remove [TS]

00:43:21   that from the Mac Pro that's why so many people buy them it's got a PCI Express [TS]

00:43:26   off yet and he Jim usually responds to you know casual messages but you know he [TS]

00:43:39   he doesn't leak secrets to even two friends so he just never responded [TS]

00:43:45   like like well you know he he's being coy he doesn't tell me anything about [TS]

00:43:52   the new Mac Pro and then they get the now and then there's no slaughter should [TS]

00:43:58   I should have listened to Jim's non message more closely that's not reusable [TS]

00:44:03   and anything except for another Mac Pro so I don't have little enclosure like [TS]

00:44:07   basically Thunderbolt enclosures with the PCI Express slot that I could put [TS]

00:44:10   this so I could do that that's but as you said that's like a lot of parts [TS]

00:44:14   though it took a lot of a lot of things that could flake out so I'm little weary [TS]

00:44:17   to do that as far as like $300 that box to it is yes 300 bucks so I'm probably [TS]

00:44:22   just gonna try to sell this this this card but like the role of like the rule [TS]

00:44:27   of cables as they're the real the Apple Store is nothing less than $30 and [TS]

00:44:30   lightning cables used to be like the rule of thunderbolt is nothing involving [TS]

00:44:36   Thunderbolt anyways like less than two or three hundred dollars aren't the [TS]

00:44:40   cable still 50 boxes like it and the box below one end and then the other end as [TS]

00:44:47   a bunch of other parts Firewire USB all the other things it's magic that works [TS]

00:44:51   and it's awesome but those boxes are always like two or three hundred oh yeah [TS]

00:44:55   and I given an enclosure like a drive enclosure like that the drive is $80 [TS]

00:45:00   worth the price of this $290 thing I also I just hate enclosures I would much [TS]

00:45:05   rather have everything in the Synology nasa my closet and have my desk have [TS]

00:45:09   only the Mac Pro and nothing hanging off the edge of the monitor just no no like [TS]

00:45:14   random enclosures on my desk all over the place [TS]

00:45:16   yeah I use them for almost ten areas that's one thing I like next year what [TS]

00:45:20   am I gonna do with those two if I get that new Mac Pro I need some alternate [TS]

00:45:24   boot disk to boot off of the new operating system now so you see what I [TS]

00:45:30   mean [TS]

00:45:30   usb3 is like this awesome fast thing that a smack her owners have like never [TS]

00:45:35   realized existed but I feel like that's why I do have a bus powered USB 3 [TS]

00:45:40   terabyte drive to the black in fact I was like wow they look great [TS]

00:45:43   attached to my [TS]

00:45:44   Mac Pro but not fair to boot the OS off really slow 5400 rpm 2.5 inch not just [TS]

00:45:55   him right now I want to have a reasonable experience testing and not [TS]

00:46:00   like handicapped in that way so I don't know I'm conflicted the best part of [TS]

00:46:05   being cheap and not having the ridiculous needs and/or lack of [TS]

00:46:11   self-control the you to have is that I have none of this stress right now I'm [TS]

00:46:17   perfectly happy and that has nothing to do with anything I put my body today I'm [TS]

00:46:22   perfectly happy with my old non retina MacBook Pros and I am content with that [TS]

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00:49:04   done yet we're not done yet [TS]

00:49:07   next year when I don't want to think about it forever it's worth I I actually [TS]

00:49:15   just found and pulled up my original 2008 Mac Pro order received because it [TS]

00:49:20   feels like the Mac Pro has gotten more and more expensive next-generation get [TS]

00:49:26   to get mid-range back there was a dip I but if you graphics I remember when that [TS]

00:49:31   when there is a one in front of the Mac Pro name for a little while they're the [TS]

00:49:34   2008 was the second generation when the first generation from 2006 that one you [TS]

00:49:40   could get a single CPU I believe dual core model it was in the 2004 course I [TS]

00:49:45   think it's too coarse and one JB get a single CPU model of that for I believe [TS]

00:49:50   sixteen or eighteen hundreds of my bad but so my night when I got mine I [TS]

00:49:56   remember being upset the price has gone up and I paid 3000 $50 that the extra 50 [TS]

00:50:02   was for wi-fi which was optional [TS]

00:50:04   so it was $3,000 for the dual 2.8 hurts quad-core chips so a course total across [TS]

00:50:15   two sockets you had all like all I believe eight slots across the across [TS]

00:50:21   them did all this rain capacity dual core dual socket everything else [TS]

00:50:26   3,000 bucks for that at the time that was the second lowest at the second [TS]

00:50:32   lowest CPU option they were that there was the 3.1 3.2 gigahertz but same [TS]

00:50:37   number of course it was they were very close [TS]

00:50:39   CPU options like they between between the three of them there was one of only [TS]

00:50:43   two more soccer that was that sucks but there were like three top that were [TS]

00:50:47   pretty good so that was like that was three thousand bucks computer I'm [TS]

00:50:52   sitting front of right now dole to buy an 88 RAM slots 2008 my bro right at the [TS]

00:50:57   time that seem like a lot of money but you know looking back on it now we see [TS]

00:51:02   like modern macro present that was actually a pretty good deal but most of [TS]

00:51:06   the fault of this I think actually like intel intel has been raising their Xeon [TS]

00:51:12   prices like crazy like i remember i i believe it was the 2009 era Mac Pro [TS]

00:51:18   the first name generation however that's pronounced I know it's wrong that that's [TS]

00:51:23   when I can tell jack the price is way up and and it became insane to get like [TS]

00:51:28   dual sockets yeah I i've a single cycle one of those at work and I think that [TS]

00:51:32   one still was under $2000 the cheap one has always been like this single socket [TS]

00:51:36   or whatever I've got the single socket stupid 14 RAM slots and triple channel [TS]

00:51:40   memory but it had a one in front of its price after it was sixteen or seventeen [TS]

00:51:44   hundred dollars it really cheap I'm pretty sure that something case when we [TS]

00:51:47   I mean when we got our 2008 it's the cheapest one I believe was 2700 or maybe [TS]

00:51:54   $2,500 for the single socket what I'm thinking about for value for the new Mac [TS]

00:51:59   Pros is value for me not value as in my guess is it a priority to the people who [TS]

00:52:03   need this know that they need it right for me for the purposes that I'm going [TS]

00:52:07   to use this machine is not made for me I'm trying to find it it's useful for me [TS]

00:52:12   the test that I want macworld run everything are questions like are their [TS]

00:52:17   existing that you can buy now that are faster at single CPU desk I think from [TS]

00:52:23   their measurements that the top and iMac is faster and single CPU than any Mac [TS]

00:52:28   Pro you can buy I believe that's correct I believe it's like it's something like [TS]

00:52:32   five percent faster on the single the test they know they can give a number [TS]

00:52:37   because they have to give a number and that's not really representative [TS]

00:52:39   anything because if you get if you ran some tests that blew through the help [TS]

00:52:44   3 cash on their IMAX thing then they would you know it would totally [TS]

00:52:48   destroyed but it depends on what you're doing you can't take some numbers like [TS]

00:52:54   this abuser represented by this thing that depends on the specific task but it [TS]

00:52:59   is possible that there were clothes for which the top and IMAX's faster it you [TS]

00:53:04   know single thread s next question is can are there non now Promax that can [TS]

00:53:11   run pick a modern 3d game at higher frame rates are the same settings and [TS]

00:53:16   resolution as any of the Mac Pros I don't know if that's the case yet but I [TS]

00:53:21   could imagine that I don't know it seems like it should never be the case the [TS]

00:53:25   best GPU and 70 something it's a mobile Park Race not even desktop part and [TS]

00:53:33   surely even the crappy keep you in the neck pro should be able to crush it but [TS]

00:53:38   I don't know until we see results but all these questions leaving us a like if [TS]

00:53:41   you're going to buy this machine to have a fast quiet desktop machine it's not [TS]

00:53:46   going to be ready so you can hold that over the iMac or anything that comes [TS]

00:53:50   with the big monitor already built in which you would like to buy to replace [TS]

00:53:53   small-minded here what is it you're spending all this money for if you're [TS]

00:53:58   not going to get better performance and you just get an iMac 27 inches by top of [TS]

00:54:02   the top top line is you're not going to get like hard drive bays or anything [TS]

00:54:06   that used to get with the Mac Pro that probably appealed the right exactly you [TS]

00:54:10   know and I both cases I'd be giving I think that is there still far away 800 [TS]

00:54:17   on the iMac and I remember anymore [TS]

00:54:18   question I doubt it but anyway like its value for me I have to think about that [TS]

00:54:24   because it's so much cheaper and iMac it's incredibly cheaper to get a top an [TS]

00:54:31   iMac or like I said what if I just got a new GPU and a new SSD for my existing [TS]

00:54:36   macro just wait now that I'm never leaving the Mac Pro and I'm never gonna [TS]

00:54:40   get another one I will buy one eventually I think but it has to be a [TS]

00:54:42   clean win or has to be retina and retinal forget it doesn't seem like it's [TS]

00:54:47   happening maybe next year and it doesn't seem like the Mac Pros aside from being [TS]

00:54:52   super sexy and awesome and quiet which all appeal to me is a clean win in terms [TS]

00:54:56   of value for what I want to do it the machine and that's what that's what's [TS]

00:54:59   killing me that like I think I think the case very true macro successor I think [TS]

00:55:05   this is it but aimed at a different realm then where I am like it's not it's [TS]

00:55:11   aimed at people who need all the power it in there and I would be buying it and [TS]

00:55:13   not using an entire one of these super expensive GPUs and not using most of the [TS]

00:55:18   cores it's like trying to make the best fastest most awesome computer which I'm [TS]

00:55:24   using like a tiny isolated corner I'm not using the whole machine so few [TS]

00:55:29   people will be using the machine so it's kind of wasted on me it's kind of [TS]

00:55:33   disappointing yeah I mean given your priorities especially in regards to [TS]

00:55:37   gaming performance I really do think that and iMac is probably an iMac and in [TS]

00:55:43   particular I'm having an iMac and upgrading it more frequently maybe maybe [TS]

00:55:48   you have an iMac an updated every two years I think that would serve you [TS]

00:55:51   better than trying to hold onto a Mac Pro for five years and trying to trying [TS]

00:55:56   to get modern gaming performance out of it but the thing is there's no way that [TS]

00:55:59   the GPU in iMac should under like you know hardware wise come anywhere close [TS]

00:56:04   to the gaming performance is all going to come down to drivers I think because [TS]

00:56:09   it's just that the number of than the number of like execution units in [TS]

00:56:13   parallel processes in that GPU in any of the GPUs even 2011 surely has to be [TS]

00:56:18   bullied or the amount of execution hardware it's in the stupid mobile GPU [TS]

00:56:23   that the question pretty GB performance ok well it should crash by all accounts [TS]

00:56:29   based on the hardware any iMac but it will not crush probably a real gaming [TS]

00:56:34   GBU card in my car Mac Pro if such a thing exists because there's plenty of [TS]

00:56:39   games you view that more executions hardware than the low end and maybe even [TS]

00:56:44   the new medium and GPUs in the Mac Pro that I have as much VRAM and then I have [TS]

00:56:49   all those other you know fancy things of the drivers for like my stuff like that [TS]

00:56:53   but I don't need those things I just wanna gaming performance in game video [TS]

00:56:56   card is a way better deal than those super expensive two GPUs which I'm not [TS]

00:57:00   going to want it all right serious question why don't you just build a [TS]

00:57:04   gaming PC for 1200 bucks because she is a disgusting gaming PC I don't want to [TS]

00:57:11   deal with that owned the building I don't have an ugly noisy box in my house [TS]

00:57:15   I don't want to have to computers I don't have a KVM switch just don't want [TS]

00:57:20   the Mac Pro is that my current Mac Pro is the culmination of a dream I've got a [TS]

00:57:26   GUI I've got UNIX I can run Windows I can run Mac both natively [TS]

00:57:31   it's every computer wanted on one is just you know five years older and it [TS]

00:57:35   just seems like you're jumping through a lot of hoops and in particular you're [TS]

00:57:38   taking on a lot of costs that you otherwise probably wouldn't need at all [TS]

00:57:42   simply to avoid having a top 10 gaming PC on your desk between $1,200 and I got [TS]

00:57:50   a good game but I don't think you realize how cheap PC components if I'm [TS]

00:57:55   gonna build a gaming PC I would get like the $800 video cards right there you [TS]

00:58:00   know and those entered all but ignored the noisy and the power supplies you [TS]

00:58:04   need to run them have big noisy fans and it would just be it would be a gigantic [TS]

00:58:07   noisy hot vacuum cleaner and where they build it for you when they discharged on [TS]

00:58:13   top of the three grand for those things and they're disgusting looking I do not [TS]

00:58:17   want to be like what I want I want basically is exactly what that little [TS]

00:58:21   Mac Pro is but attached to a quad Retina screen and with even better GPUs that [TS]

00:58:26   all whose performance is at a level exactly gaming like that drivers each [TS]

00:58:32   week to make that my I have to wait for the [TS]

00:58:34   it could be that that hardware is wholly squandered in games because the drivers [TS]

00:58:39   or it could be that that it is reasonable and it performs the way you [TS]

00:58:43   think it should but even then like that like I'm picked the 700 E 700 video card [TS]

00:58:48   because I know that the top and gaming cards have that many execution units are [TS]

00:58:52   more suited to just be in that realm I have to pick up hardware even though it [TS]

00:58:56   will no game is going to use 12 gigabytes here and I just have to buy [TS]

00:58:59   them because comes with it how much internal flash storage would you go with [TS]

00:59:03   the pic terabyte I mean I have to because like even if I was going to buy [TS]

00:59:09   an SSD for this thing out pick something close to a terabyte just because that's [TS]

00:59:13   not that that's not the big thing and I want to just be able to fill all my [TS]

00:59:17   stuff and I wanted to be on the super-fast PCI Express that's part of [TS]

00:59:21   the experience of having a machine that something that even a top an iMac has a [TS]

00:59:25   pci-express SSD probably not as fast as the ones internet browser but I would [TS]

00:59:29   but at the same part actually but it they did tests they did a brief testing [TS]

00:59:35   at Macworld of the SSD and they came up with some number and they seem to be [TS]

00:59:38   impressed by it so I'm assuming that number is faster than what they got from [TS]

00:59:41   the SSD built into the top and just under a gigabyte per second read and [TS]

00:59:45   write which is pretty awesome so I guess some quick price out here so for you to [TS]

00:59:51   have a top-end iMac 16 gig ram good for you [TS]

00:59:55   16 gigs RAM 2007 alright alright 3232 ok I would save money by I could save money [TS]

01:00:04   by not couldn't save money because they don't don't they put the 16 filling all [TS]

01:00:08   the slots I was gonna say yeah I could go from 16 to 32 by buying third-party [TS]

01:00:12   Rambis you can actually replace that on those little things but yeah but you're [TS]

01:00:16   going to have to have to pop them all out [TS]

01:00:18   replace them all so everything from Apple for an iMac configured the way you [TS]

01:00:24   wouldn't want your looking at just under four Grand 3949 and Mac Pro I i put on [TS]

01:00:30   the sex workers friend to a friend about the four core and its 5800 so you're [TS]

01:00:35   looking at about almost $2,000 difference to get the macro monitor [TS]

01:00:42   I'm having a hard time justifying that crew for you and and that I would [TS]

01:00:45   happily justify this for anybody [TS]

01:00:46   want me two but three for your expressed needs and priorities of wanting a really [TS]

01:00:53   great gaming computer for home but otherwise like beside gaming what do you [TS]

01:00:59   what do you mean they're doing on this computer literally stressing it like [TS]

01:01:01   what is your highest needs tasks 32 gigs of ram is because I was activity now I'm [TS]

01:01:09   probably using all my right I'm always running out of room have $16 and memory [TS]

01:01:16   compression members does help memory is pearl that meaty yeah well you know it's [TS]

01:01:22   it's not duck typing right all that all that ran for duck time memory use 15.4 [TS]

01:01:29   gigabyte of 16 but I quit a bunch of apps before I do a podcast just her [TS]

01:01:33   safety say but I mean and I mean granted parole is ancient and old and boring and [TS]

01:01:38   silly thing none of us are anxious [TS]

01:01:41   SSD is it is like having a Mac Pro at work with us as they are modern home [TS]

01:01:48   without SSD is a big part of improving my computer experience and the other [TS]

01:01:53   part is whenever I seem to play a game or something [TS]

01:01:56   my GPU is just not cutting it and people in the chat room or taunting me by [TS]

01:02:00   saying they're two and a half year old iMac you'd be back in the 1800's still [TS]

01:02:05   hold its own still does things that really crappy iMac TPU camp at the top [TS]

01:02:11   and I'm actually getting better but I'm not looking for or just get something [TS]

01:02:15   they can run modern games are looking for headroom to spend all this money I [TS]

01:02:19   want something that has the power to last me as long as 8800 as I think you'd [TS]

01:02:24   be better off he'll be better served either getting a reasonably expect Mac [TS]

01:02:28   Pro and getting gaming PC whenever the macro becomes too slow for gaming for [TS]

01:02:32   you [TS]

01:02:32   for 1200 bucks or just getting a top of the line I'm at every two years or [TS]

01:02:37   getting nasty and I have to leave that in and the county are things are buying [TS]

01:02:42   some parts of your old Mac Pro from you and basically doing the same thing I do [TS]

01:02:49   but I don't know how much you well it would be an upgrade two years newer the [TS]

01:02:55   abuser better [TS]

01:02:56   look at it that that like that's killing me with a feeling of dread like having [TS]

01:03:02   you examine my Mac if it's good enough it'll be in better condition than mine [TS]

01:03:08   believe me like I try to take care of it but as the children become more mobile [TS]

01:03:12   and more violent things that on the floor in the path of damage and i'm [TS]

01:03:19   looking forward to getting it on my desk [TS]

01:03:22   exhibit titled the cables to the desk legs of the can't be pulled much and I [TS]

01:03:28   try to like really clean everything up off the floor but also really hope with [TS]

01:03:31   dust management in the room anyway during the two hours but macro my god [TS]

01:03:37   can we please feed on who are you seriously I'm so bored right now did you [TS]

01:03:47   watch the videos of the unboxing of the pictures of them unboxing and videos I'm [TS]

01:03:51   looking at the macro and micro site [TS]

01:03:54   know it's it's it's pretty sexy every picture I've seen so far it's been [TS]

01:03:59   covered and finger prints [TS]

01:04:01   definitely says something but the good thing about it is unlike an iOS device [TS]

01:04:05   is not meant to be picked up when it's used so you can put in place at your [TS]

01:04:08   desk [TS]

01:04:09   get out your little microfiber cloth polish up in the just a touch it again [TS]

01:04:12   cause why do I get the same people who touched monitors people I bet those [TS]

01:04:17   people who are you what kind of computers that put their finger to [TS]

01:04:23   electrify the case my money through that but then played them off and is [TS]

01:04:29   optimistic but since I hear me okay so I'm gonna be an idiot and ask one Mac [TS]

01:04:35   Pro related question so friend of the show [TS]

01:04:38   Jason's now dear friend of the shadow of the show day since now has taken a video [TS]

01:04:43   and sent it to John the fan in the Mac Pro John would you like to expand it all [TS]

01:04:50   up on what that video told you a video with his phone or other portable thing [TS]

01:04:56   and so the background noise elimination that all these phones do but the thing [TS]

01:05:02   is he put the phone like inside inside the top of the Mac Pro right [TS]

01:05:07   so at that range it is not canceling out the noise of that fan because it is like [TS]

01:05:12   millimeters from the noisy fan and he listened to the audio after recording it [TS]

01:05:19   and said you know tomorrow what it sounds like when I'm next thing and it [TS]

01:05:24   seems super quiet he can't tell how much you gonna be able to hear from far away [TS]

01:05:28   because from far away you know again that noise cancelling comes in or [TS]

01:05:31   whatever but were you just take your ear up to the thing that's kind of like my [TS]

01:05:35   television set where they're the same guy the video is taking it right back on [TS]

01:05:38   his captors I can you can hear anything but of course you can call you back by [TS]

01:05:41   the catwalk took the phone all around to the back of the thing and shut that up [TS]

01:05:44   against the fans you could hear what those fans sound like and the quality of [TS]

01:05:48   the sound of the fans is kind of what you coming with ok if I can hear it from [TS]

01:05:52   the capital I'm going to hear a noise like this and it's a higher pitch you [TS]

01:05:56   know is it even has a ton even as it pushes that one frequency a big mess and [TS]

01:06:01   this was very like whispery whisper quiet like kind of like the asymmetrical [TS]

01:06:08   fans on the MacBook Pros when they you know when when they zoom up they sound [TS]

01:06:13   more kind of like white noise wishing and less like droning or single [TS]

01:06:19   frequency kind of thing so I added this new Mac Pro will be way way quieter than [TS]

01:06:26   even my existing micro and macro is very quiet compared to my PowerMac g5 so [TS]

01:06:32   things are going in the right direction definitely and at this point I totally [TS]

01:06:35   believe the claim that the thing is as quiet as a Mac Mini but ever had a Mac [TS]

01:06:39   Mini or new Mac Pro my desk I'll be able to hear it but it's kinda like my TV is [TS]

01:06:43   it going to be less noisy in my current computer yes it definitely is and so [TS]

01:06:47   it's an upgrade so yeah that's a lot of people have said that the old Mac Pro [TS]

01:06:52   was loud and I've never found to be loud I mean maybe like you know so I i've had [TS]

01:06:57   to have had the 2008 and the 2010 I guess you know about a dozen 12 had [TS]

01:07:04   those two and I've never liked one of the reasons why I love the Mac Pro so [TS]

01:07:09   much as every other Mac if you put the CPU Sanders honoree full sustained load [TS]

01:07:14   is running a hand written code or something like that [TS]

01:07:17   the families spend up [TS]

01:07:18   very audibly and its annoying and the Mac Pro even at full CPU load it's [TS]

01:07:24   either completely the same as the 2008 that you have not used to have that [TS]

01:07:31   didn't sound any different under full load to me it sounds everyone in gaming [TS]

01:07:35   because of the stupid the cool the cooler and cooler and the video card has [TS]

01:07:39   an unpleasant wine when I dig on games as does the 2010 1 actually but defense [TS]

01:07:48   one of the best things about the new Mac Pro is that there is no GPU fan [TS]

01:07:51   there's never been a GPU fan that is not a piece of crap I've never ever even [TS]

01:07:56   heard of one that was not terrible I'm just so excited this 2008 fan is not [TS]

01:08:00   diet and all the other ones when bad way before the vietnam responded to one of [TS]

01:08:04   the innovations that Apple talks about it and designing this thing is the [TS]

01:08:08   realization that there is almost no situation in which all the all the hot [TS]

01:08:13   part so hot at the same time so it's wasteful that separate coolers on each [TS]

01:08:17   CPU and GPU because you'll never be in a situation where all CPUs and GPUs are [TS]

01:08:23   flat out at the same time are very rarely will be and it you know if just [TS]

01:08:28   one GPU is hot the other one isn't all that noise and energy you're spending [TS]

01:08:31   trying to cool the parts you don't need it because just wasted it produces extra [TS]

01:08:34   noise like the total sum total of your noise is never going to be low will be [TS]

01:08:38   below a certain level 3 fans one for each CPU or GPU whatever so the [TS]

01:08:44   innovation of the Mac Pro is let's make them one entire cooling zone for all of [TS]

01:08:50   them one fan for all components had them in the central chimney and then I guess [TS]

01:08:54   just make sure that that gigantic cooling fan has the capacity to cool [TS]

01:08:57   their cranked up when they're not cranked up you don't have your your [TS]

01:09:02   ceiling for noise are your floor for noise is much much lower because you [TS]

01:09:07   don't have like this minimum amount of noise just keep the fans spinning [TS]

01:09:10   I wonder I wonder if they would ever considered as part of the thing to do [TS]

01:09:14   kind of like a stop-start thing cylinder deactivation all the other thing the car [TS]

01:09:18   engines do we just stopped the fans on the other three fans would have stopped [TS]

01:09:23   them on the no need to be cool but I imagine that was probably not a good [TS]

01:09:26   idea with one gigantic van and really expensive ball bearings and I told him [TS]

01:09:31   that design as someone who's obsessed with noise if you're gonna make a pro [TS]

01:09:34   computer and try to figure out how to make quiet I think this is a very clever [TS]

01:09:37   and interesting design oh yeah I mean the end of one of the reasons why I [TS]

01:09:41   switched it a Mac Pro is because it was driving me crazy whenever I would try to [TS]

01:09:46   record a podcast that the fan on my MacBook Pro it's been up and I would [TS]

01:09:50   hear it and like I said to the audio quality I want that I wanna show to [TS]

01:09:54   sound really good and the fact that was spinning up drove me nuts and the Mac [TS]

01:10:00   Pro has always this is one of the one of the things that makes it a pro computer [TS]

01:10:03   it is always handled heavy loads gracefully you know the laptops you can [TS]

01:10:09   put them under sustained load but you're definitely gonna hear it they're going [TS]

01:10:13   to be very very hot and you kind of worried like my my short life of [TS]

01:10:17   something between his mother in laptops are comments by Casey needs to get it [TS]

01:10:23   because they sound awful they sound like they're in pain like I know this because [TS]

01:10:26   I have an older generation MacBook Air to my wife uses my son plays minecraft [TS]

01:10:31   on it all the time and it's not a powerful GPU in Minecraft not a [TS]

01:10:34   complicated game but he runs minecraft fullscreen 27 inch display on an old [TS]

01:10:38   MacBook Air and that thing sounds like it's dying for the entire time he's [TS]

01:10:41   using it sounds like saying terrible really urgent wine of that tiny little [TS]

01:10:49   fan and this time the case and the the whole thing's getting hot back there and [TS]

01:10:52   like you put it on my Mac Pro it sounds no different than a dozen it idling in [TS]

01:10:56   the Finder right as it should because he's playing Minecraft but it's torture [TS]

01:11:01   to take anything powerful and try to shove it into this little tiny skinny [TS]

01:11:05   sliver of a case with heat pump attached to it and some weird [TS]

01:11:09   fans are out sideways and loads of his time event just opposite way to go [TS]

01:11:15   yeah I mean it's it's handled it so much more gracefully and it also you know the [TS]

01:11:20   even though that's unlikely to happen at any given moment [TS]

01:11:23   the the factors like laptops and other consumer level stuff I've had more [TS]

01:11:29   current laptop to have a Mac Pros and I have used laptops and Mac Pros [TS]

01:11:34   respectively full-time probably about the same amount in total so I can I can [TS]

01:11:40   safely say I've experienced but way more kernel panics and instability with [TS]

01:11:44   laptops that I have with macros and there's lots of reasons for that you [TS]

01:11:48   know the ions and and the motherboards are all made to higher standard hurt [TS]

01:11:51   hard times is also used ECC RAM which yet the chances are that your RAM is not [TS]

01:11:56   going to have an error but when or if it does have an area somewhere you won't [TS]

01:12:00   notice it but you use computer enough and that might happen a couple times a [TS]

01:12:05   year and you might notice that is that's another reason to get an iMac I don't [TS]

01:12:12   feel like I have a database + ECC RAM has one extra layer of protection [TS]

01:12:17   because I know this is somebody just completed a bingo board there is no [TS]

01:12:22   safety net at the bottom from the file system so at least I can have a little [TS]

01:12:27   bit of protection in ramen and hopefully correct some areas there before gets my [TS]

01:12:32   desk yeah I mean it's got a Mac Pro and either play games low framerate sand and [TS]

01:12:38   grumble about it when you are very good agreement or just a gaming PC and [TS]

01:12:42   grumble about that either way grumbling about something hopefully won't be able [TS]

01:12:46   to frame rates I'm waiting and waiting the results of the tests and you know if [TS]

01:12:49   anyone wants to send me a Mac Pro is it as a reward for keeping the faith all [TS]

01:12:53   those years and posting a picture of a matte black sports car saying that I [TS]

01:12:57   want to look like that the caller ID that I know well you know it also [TS]

01:13:05   doesn't have any internal drives so you know there's no seats [TS]

01:13:12   quiet though the casey i would i would do anything in the world to talk about [TS]

01:13:21   anything but the Mac Pro are you convinced of a desktop all my god I am [TS]

01:13:26   more convinced than ever that I do not want to stop because I don't want to [TS]

01:13:30   have to worry about all this bullshit that you guys are worrying about [TS]

01:13:33   out killing me killing me we talk about something more entertaining please list [TS]

01:13:43   well there's a lot of things and most of them are boring button shape that sound [TS]

01:13:48   and now god no please please please now can we can we want about some stuff [TS]

01:13:55   that's not Mac Pro related so I would either like I I will leave its John I [TS]

01:14:03   would either like to whine about outlook 2011 or software development [TS]

01:14:11   methodologies and big business so John take your pick [TS]

01:14:14   develop methodologies now only got time for that so I use me mark when I have [TS]

01:14:20   time for that [TS]

01:14:21   yeah well now because this show that but yes I have to go to 11 and so we know [TS]

01:14:27   that that's going to be like a whole shows for the stuff even though I have I [TS]

01:14:30   guess I'm not prepared at all for methodologies but I feel confident that [TS]

01:14:33   Casey and I alone complain about that for a long time as much as I want to [TS]

01:14:38   tell you it's very true I put outlook 2011 inherited you have some outlook [TS]

01:14:42   2011 things that you'd like to share [TS]

01:14:44   taken away so I don't have anything hyper specifics to specific to share [TS]

01:14:52   however I will say that Outlook 2011 as with all of office 2011 is a steaming [TS]

01:14:58   pile of horse manure and I cannot fathom having to use Outlook or the rest of [TS]

01:15:06   office on a Mac full time I do so as little as possible even that is too much [TS]

01:15:13   because Microsoft does not take office for the Mac seriously none of it seems [TS]

01:15:20   native none of it makes sense none of it really fits in with anything else on the [TS]

01:15:26   platform Micro Software Update happens constantly it's obnoxious it gets in the [TS]

01:15:31   way it makes you stop everything Microsoft software update makes you stop [TS]

01:15:37   Safari I don't even understand why they're related except maybe Silverlight [TS]

01:15:42   which is dead [TS]

01:15:43   yeah it's ok my favorite thing about office little Casey knows us whatever [TS]

01:15:51   the little yellow thing that comes up in the corner to tell you like you know [TS]

01:15:55   calendar notifications like you've got this meeting and tenements you know you [TS]

01:15:58   know that I am talking about crazy now because it probably turned it off [TS]

01:16:01   because it's terrible I like being reminded when I have a meeting like I'll [TS]

01:16:05   be there at work and the little yellow thing will pop up and say you got a [TS]

01:16:08   meeting in 15 minutes and got a little snooze button to dismiss button they [TS]

01:16:12   stack up inside there is not the interface that I mind it's the thing [TS]

01:16:16   that runs that little yellow window that pops up is this application that has an [TS]

01:16:20   alarm clock iconic blue old-fashioned alarm clock with bells on it actually [TS]

01:16:23   pretty nice icon the thing that drives me nuts about that that particular [TS]

01:16:27   feature is that on my Mac at home that is not having as the when I wake up from [TS]

01:16:33   sleep usually in a bit like a while I was sleeping these events happening at [TS]

01:16:38   once like tell you about the events of the year either mister their upcoming or [TS]

01:16:40   whatever and so the little alarm clock I will appear in my doc and start bouncing [TS]

01:16:46   and at one time I tried County the bounces you may not know this but I West [TS]

01:16:51   End has for many years and continues to have it in their eyes tenor of the app I [TS]

01:16:54   think it's the OS has a limit on the number of times it was kind of bouncing [TS]

01:16:58   the dock after a certain point just stops bouncing gives up and I have seen [TS]

01:17:03   the I can't give up bouncing [TS]

01:17:05   able to grind away at my crappy spinning disk and just bounce there for every [TS]

01:17:09   ounce counts but I think Canada 7,500 or something at one point and I stopped [TS]

01:17:15   counting eventually it will stop bouncing I don't know what it's doing [TS]

01:17:18   this during this time I think I looked it up and he said you times it seems [TS]

01:17:21   Miranda Mike might be some database stuff that it's doing in the background [TS]

01:17:25   or something [TS]

01:17:26   the result of it bouncing there for like two minutes 30 minutes five minutes god [TS]

01:17:31   knows how long is to bring up a tiny yellow window that says you two meetings [TS]

01:17:36   that you mister they're coming for 15 minutes now that that is an [TS]

01:17:40   inappropriate amount of disk activity and waiting time a little window tells [TS]

01:17:45   you which means so god knows what it's doing what it's doing something terrible [TS]

01:17:48   but that's not why but that's the thing that drives me the most [TS]

01:17:53   Road home at home and see it grind away maybe maybe the blocking on some network [TS]

01:17:57   cause I don't know what the hell out of my desk I'm surprised that people who [TS]

01:18:03   don't have as these have not noticed that and followed by two but the reason [TS]

01:18:07   I put this in here my biggest peeve about outlook 2010 which I use for work [TS]

01:18:12   because I have to because there are things that Apple Mail has not done [TS]

01:18:17   successfully with extreme server working maybe the new version of a male does I'm [TS]

01:18:21   always afraid to go back to talk about flake email programs in my experience [TS]

01:18:24   has been worse than a better interface better potential features but were three [TS]

01:18:29   liabilities but with Microsoft stuff but the reason I put in there that late 2010 [TS]

01:18:33   has since it's the dawn of the software and continues to this day after many [TS]

01:18:38   many updates to have one of probably the most user hostile small feature like [TS]

01:18:44   it's something like a big deal that shouldn't be bothering deleting your [TS]

01:18:47   data wherever these values are also like is it your face [TS]

01:18:51   deleting stuff visit corrupting your data is it crashing those are all user [TS]

01:18:56   hostile yes but they're so over the top that everyone can agree on this is the [TS]

01:19:00   type of thing that when I described it is not going to sound like a big deal [TS]

01:19:03   until you've lived with it for i guess two years now or whenever our 2011 came [TS]

01:19:07   out on member of came out in 2011 or not [TS]

01:19:09   selection in validation what I do with my mail boxes lot of time is selected [TS]

01:19:16   groups of messages that by doing select all by clicking on hold mentioning clean [TS]

01:19:20   my lower down or by dragging them all the different ways you can select groups [TS]

01:19:23   of messages I'm gonna do something with them on the market has red dragon ball [TS]

01:19:27   into another folder on it do something with them [TS]

01:19:29   multiple selections very often it's like dawn and Mark as Read because I get a [TS]

01:19:34   lot of email work for me unless they go on to a folder and just wanna mark [TS]

01:19:38   certain sections of red or whatever [TS]

01:19:40   selecting any message in the message message Austin outlook 2011 is just [TS]

01:19:46   merely a suggestion to the program you can you can select them with your mouse [TS]

01:19:51   immediately your selection has removed you can hit command a to select all [TS]

01:19:55   immediate your selection is entirely in value money management is removed as you [TS]

01:19:58   did so command a they are highlighted [TS]

01:20:03   why does it do that because it hates you with the fiery passion I don't know why [TS]

01:20:07   sometimes it's like a Smart Folder like a click on my unread smartphone to show [TS]

01:20:11   me all unread messages when you hit command a evil select all the ones that [TS]

01:20:16   are currently there but then the smartphone will grind along a little bit [TS]

01:20:19   are found two new messages that are also on read entire selection and so you have [TS]

01:20:24   to wait there until the number starts going up all the unread messages not [TS]

01:20:27   safer Munich command a and you never are you just you think it's done the number [TS]

01:20:31   goes up to like 27 command a up now actually 32 election invalid command a [TS]

01:20:36   again you think you're safe you go to command team our call to read up now [TS]

01:20:40   sorry invalid we found one more message even message was that are not like that [TS]

01:20:44   are not part of our folders the first time you select one message to message 5 [TS]

01:20:49   messages [TS]

01:20:50   the first time forget it I just like a trial run it will your selection [TS]

01:20:53   immediately begun you will never be able to get to come and fast enough for this [TS]

01:20:56   likely to be highlighted and this is the type of bug when I first thought like oh [TS]

01:20:59   look silly a 1.0 bugs they're surely they'll get rid of this but years later [TS]

01:21:03   this is still how this program behaves it does not care that you selected [TS]

01:21:07   things you want us like things you have to enter in determining battle with the [TS]

01:21:10   program to get your selection to stay and again it doesn't sound like it's a [TS]

01:21:15   big deal but I find it incredibly maddening and they spend a lot of my day [TS]

01:21:20   just going select on sites like tonsillitis operations like tonsillitis [TS]

01:21:24   like bands like this like this like you I don't understand how this program [TS]

01:21:29   continues to ship in this forum like happen to people at Microsoft use it how [TS]

01:21:33   can anybody use it I can tell you right now why do you use it because we have to [TS]

01:21:39   do for work [TS]

01:21:40   you think the people at Microsoft after four work if you didn't use it what [TS]

01:21:44   would you use instead the Gmail web interface [TS]

01:21:47   no no no because if you had to connect exchange you would use mailed out out [TS]

01:21:57   nigh referred on my health policy and can I mean I use it like that thing is I [TS]

01:22:05   don't I liked entourage the purple one that came before the yellow pissy when I [TS]

01:22:10   like you're the only person I've ever met that actually on trial likely [TS]

01:22:15   receive email [TS]

01:22:16   the Clara similar guys left when the original classic macros of Entourage was [TS]

01:22:24   really awesome program the OS version of Entourage not so great but the thing I [TS]

01:22:29   like about it I like the integration of my mail application my counter 21 think [TS]

01:22:34   some people hate that they want to be separate I like me to be combined [TS]

01:22:37   outlook would not be so terrible that just worked like evident invalidate my [TS]

01:22:41   selection at things work there is supposed to if the meetings that I [TS]

01:22:44   accepted in Outlook 2011 state accepted and didn't make clear except there's [TS]

01:22:49   nothing that does make serious that means hundreds of times that was grabbed [TS]

01:22:53   by my count was never accepted them except the series except the series next [TS]

01:22:56   day there on highlighted again as if it didn't accept them like this is all [TS]

01:23:02   Microsoft from the client to the server and everywhere everything is like modern [TS]

01:23:06   versions it just doesn't work right there and they're still many things that [TS]

01:23:10   I have to open my windows 8 p.m. and going to the corner outlook and do [TS]

01:23:15   things from there because the Mac version can't do them a dozen they are [TS]

01:23:18   wrong in some strange way the selection validation is that I remember that day I [TS]

01:23:24   die there once there was a program that would not respect stay that way for [TS]

01:23:29   years and nobody care and like maybe it's just me maybe some crazy bone in my [TS]

01:23:35   computer and not a problem in the program its increase extension that I [TS]

01:23:38   don't even know I'm running an extension at work that I'm aware of I do have some [TS]

01:23:43   I i cant think of the cause that would cause me to be the only person who are [TS]

01:23:48   selection in addition maybe people can write to the show and say yes I want [TS]

01:23:52   2011 has been invalidate my selection for three years as well you're not alone [TS]

01:23:55   if nobody right thing like that then I'll just have to think that there's [TS]

01:24:00   something crazy going on in my computer but now it's two computers my home and [TS]

01:24:03   work so the same thing as I'm infecting my home and work computer it's got to be [TS]

01:24:07   the program's gotta thank you card to sponsor this week [TS]

01:24:14   after an hour and a half you two talking about the Mac Pro you're not gonna give [TS]

01:24:21   me more than 15 minutes about stupid Microsoft stuff you have the after show [TS]

01:24:27   if you want me to say however I will say dear dear friend of the show Merlin Mann [TS]

01:24:34   has added his commentary which I just put into the chat and I'm very happy [TS]

01:24:39   that he did I have no idea what it means but candidly I never know what marlin's [TS]

01:24:45   talking about until 20 minutes after he's finished because I'm not as smart [TS]

01:24:48   as here's where did you put [TS]

01:24:51   thanks a lot to her to his punches were be Parker and hover and we will see you [TS]

01:24:57   next week and now [TS]

01:25:28   show [TS]

01:25:40   I G [TS]

01:26:15   grade they're frustrated entourage really great the OS version was less [TS]

01:26:24   great outlook 2011 died a terrible death or just work like one of the other if it [TS]

01:26:31   started working suddenly I'd be like well this program like I might like it [TS]

01:26:35   again or something but doesn't take much to to just make it into a divisive [TS]

01:26:40   talker but what reason does Microsoft have to improve it but here's the thing [TS]

01:26:45   I don't understand how how do something like that even though this is not a big [TS]

01:26:49   problem it's something that every single person who's this program program has to [TS]

01:26:54   be experiencing like they might be only when this is happening to my two [TS]

01:26:57   computers that ever use it on and so if something like that happens if you were [TS]

01:27:00   developer of this program you're forced to run every day because you write the [TS]

01:27:03   program like you use it for your email can you work at Microsoft you have a Mac [TS]

01:27:07   you working in that business [TS]

01:27:08   you right you are one of the primary authors of Outlook how can you tolerate [TS]

01:27:13   this but you know it's like when a program that you wrote the you use the [TS]

01:27:15   bug fixes like that day cuz you know way that you can let that stand you wrote [TS]

01:27:19   the damn program you know exactly what's going wrong and you go fix it [TS]

01:27:22   years pass not fixed that presumes a culture of of value and quality over [TS]

01:27:30   things like ship dates and Microsoft is not known for that Russian to meet ship [TS]

01:27:35   date and time like a day today it must be annoying these people like casey you [TS]

01:27:39   use it to you this selection validation thing ever happened to you and I allowed [TS]

01:27:44   to answer truthfully go ahead I am I'm ready for the truth no never happens huh [TS]

01:27:51   i frickin hate outlook I really hate outlook the selection of Aladin [TS]

01:27:57   validation thing never happens to me I should take some movies of it and the [TS]

01:28:01   most exciting thing about it is the first one the first one ever takes [TS]

01:28:05   switch over to the program and you go and you'll see a bunch of messages and [TS]

01:28:11   you just know like I C three messages there and i wanna mark all three as spam [TS]

01:28:15   or something like that I just know that the first you're gonna click one of its [TS]

01:28:21   going to highlight the next one is going to remove your entire selection that all [TS]

01:28:26   actions gonna be wasted you go through the motions [TS]

01:28:28   anyway and then you do it the second time it takes just becomes a thing that [TS]

01:28:33   you do first one doesn't count so are we officially in the after show oh yeah why [TS]

01:28:41   are you making me listen to an hour and a half Mac Pro discussion and I get [TS]

01:28:46   twelve minutes of listening to John about something that affects me and then [TS]

01:28:51   you it doesn't affect you it does well in principle it affects me and Marco [TS]

01:28:57   decide on the King is bored so we're gonna end the show that's pretty much it [TS]

01:29:02   yeah I'm sewing the people in the chat room pretty much hit on the head with [TS]

01:29:06   Marco and I for Mac Pro for a long time kind of the genesis of the show was [TS]

01:29:11   around the time that we got the fake Mac Pro update it's the reason we have the [TS]

01:29:14   icon at the top of the show now the new Mac profoundly out and we can configure [TS]

01:29:18   them in Marco bought one show you that's deserving of an entire show was worth of [TS]

01:29:22   discussion I think that's reasonable I i even cut stuff I could have gone more on [TS]

01:29:26   the max I could have to you too right now [TS]

01:29:31   Turbo Boost more I could have gone into the workstation pricing from HP and Dell [TS]

01:29:36   no want to send Casey a complimentary Mac Pros in stock I will use it as a [TS]

01:29:50   trash can I looked at the picture that you tweeted at your local level set up [TS]

01:29:54   Casey three glasses of Lakewood sitting right to left open with a keyboard in [TS]

01:30:01   front of it now it is directly to the right of my laptop but whatever [TS]

01:30:06   alright so but the point is if you were to knock those over the spill directly [TS]

01:30:09   into the keyboard if you're you're right but because and professional I will not [TS]

01:30:16   but that's something a sober person would say [TS]

01:30:22   it just seems like it arrangement and you've got to do a minor problem of like [TS]

01:30:30   you are aligned with the space where there is no monitors your console [TS]

01:30:32   looking to the right now you are so high I cannot believe that that any piece of [TS]

01:30:41   electronics actually it's your ridiculous requirements or doesn't he [TS]

01:30:46   was close but i wanna have a minor in front of me I'm a crazy person you're [TS]

01:30:51   right actually is one of the reasons why I prefer one giant monitor to two [TS]

01:30:57   smaller ones because when you have two small ones I was just kind of like sit [TS]

01:31:01   in front of the left one myself to the left one on the right ones coming out [TS]

01:31:05   there like a New Jersey later known as soon as someone who has a point forward [TS]

01:31:10   using two monitors when you guys were probably very to walk the main monitor [TS]

01:31:17   was in front of me and the auxiliary monitor was off to the side in the clear [TS]

01:31:21   range of the auxiliary monitor with a black and white nine inch CRT so clearly [TS]

01:31:25   very auxiliary and the 24 bit color huge 14 inch display with in front of me and [TS]

01:31:31   so it was clear that's the real maunder seriously this is the most boring ATP [TS]

01:31:42   ever I think I said 12 words doing that during that entire episode you could [TS]

01:31:47   have joined in about what your feelings were on the value proposition from 404 [TS]

01:31:51   thoughts about the Mac Pro all comments will next week we'll talk about software [TS]

01:31:57   methodologies and then they will become you and you can come and take over the [TS]

01:32:02   Hawks love of Christ I hope so I know you well I'm so angry right now there [TS]

01:32:11   are so many bees in my bonnet what is the Merlin line something about my but [TS]

01:32:18   something about my right now but that's right [TS]

01:32:24   self I don't even know which expression of his you're thinking of and I know all [TS]

01:32:30   these expressions so I think you may have been your limit may have been over [TS]

01:32:37   served tonight sir how did we talk so I was still boring as the supposed to be [TS]

01:32:46   our Christmas special [TS]

01:32:54   I do like you might need a drink as well that is true I disapprove [TS]

01:33:05   you might need to spread is no that's another being sponsored by spread over [TS]

01:33:10   that but you might need a lemon-lime flavored soft drink as well which is not [TS]

01:33:18   the same he got another compatible headed where you go into restaurants [TS]

01:33:24   said you can have a coke and pepsi okay and then you have to kill them right [TS]

01:33:28   Pepsi are trying to be like each other they are direct competitors patti is [TS]

01:33:34   trying to be like you know like they're trying to make the same products Sierra [TS]

01:33:37   Mist is about as much the same project spread as root beer is a sample artist [TS]

01:33:42   right arm is better [TS]

01:33:45   Sierra Mist is vile don t piss [TS]

01:33:48   was not as bad as he just like that you've redeemed no I don't think anybody [TS]

01:33:58   in the world actually like Sierra Mist I thought it was just something they would [TS]

01:34:01   make people take me in your restaurant he was like you know belongs to whatever [TS]

01:34:04   branded a Coke and Pepsi or whatever [TS]

01:34:07   remember what it was like they would force you to take it because you would [TS]

01:34:11   be like ok you're now a pizza restaurant and we force you to take Sierra Mist [TS]

01:34:14   that no human would never willingly otter and when I say I missed ok that's [TS]

01:34:19   worse than if you ask me okay no it's not ok seven-up and spray then ok then I [TS]

01:34:26   feel like you have a reasonable supposition versus Friday's like Pepsi [TS]

01:34:30   vs coke like the reasonable substitutions the armistice not a reason [TS]

01:34:34   ok so your coke but everybody relax Pepsi and Coke however diet coke is [TS]

01:34:48   light years ahead of Diet Pepsi is not better than coke here in the South what [TS]

01:34:53   are you talking about [TS]

01:35:02   even pepsi drinkers don't think that pepsi has been called me to say they [TS]

01:35:07   like it better but I hate most and yet I can tell you that pepsi sucks compared [TS]

01:35:16   to coach is there anybody in the chatroom who believes that Pepsi not [TS]

01:35:21   that you like Pepsi barren ago but he believes that Pepsi is actually better [TS]

01:35:24   than coke but no one knowing I mean I've never heard of anybody saying that and [TS]

01:35:32   diet like why bother and I and yes I which which carcinogen do you find [TS]

01:35:37   distasteful as ridiculous diet sodas there is no nutritional value possible [TS]

01:35:45   cancer-causing terrible like it is it is the ante it is like what the worst thing [TS]

01:35:52   I can put it in my body and not die immediately in diastole is seriously [TS]

01:35:58   like we should be putting up the caffeine like it has nothing then it's [TS]

01:36:03   just completely devoid of any possible value it is just giving you can see [TS]

01:36:07   that's all I just like any all the sugar substitutes they all I can taste them [TS]

01:36:12   all very clearly and they all taste like crap like it like when you ran for like [TS]

01:36:18   going shopping and trying to read food labels like you have to read any food [TS]

01:36:24   label as if a lawyer is reading it lately you have to read like a lawyer [TS]

01:36:29   like when they say like you know this is natural strawberry flavor if I wait a [TS]

01:36:35   minute you know what what is natural actually mean in the context of food and [TS]

01:36:39   destroy briefly army contain any strawberries probably not and there's [TS]

01:36:43   like Italy [TS]

01:36:44   things like what is the most sinister disgusting explanation that could fit [TS]

01:36:50   within the freezing they've chosen legally and that's probably what it to [TS]

01:36:54   me [TS]

01:36:55   you guys ever done that blind taste of sugar corn syrup like I have I cannot [TS]

01:37:13   tell I thought I could tell until it to the blind tests and then again no can't [TS]

01:37:18   and the thing is they don't taste different and I can't tell which is [TS]

01:37:22   which is exactly the same yeah you know we have learned this episode of ATP I've [TS]

01:37:27   learned that I'm so god damn thankful that I'm not as picky as you too baby [TS]

01:37:32   just couldn't tell the difference if I can totally tell them thanks again [TS]

01:37:35   different that's why some day I should have Marco make me coffee so I can try [TS]

01:37:40   and get out in front of time that I've done that it doesn't end well I promise [TS]

01:37:46   I was 10 maybe you know maybe I'm just missing the problem you know I'm very [TS]

01:37:51   sensitive the bitter taste being super tasty and also I imagined I would hate [TS]

01:37:54   it as much as I hate all coffee but it would be great if they are the only [TS]

01:38:01   thing I'm super at so you know I have to cut back on for me or against me as the [TS]

01:38:08   case may be I know is diet coke sprite and I don't know I don't have that in [TS]

01:38:20   the house I don't drink it it's terrible it's no surprise when I go out very [TS]

01:38:29   often their water tastes gross or is it weird and I don't want no alcoholic [TS]

01:38:33   drinks I go with sprite which is less I don't like it better than coke most of [TS]

01:38:39   the time [TS]