The Accidental Tech Podcast

46: A Compromised Machine


00:00:00   What do you build again. Your for your car to slow. There are some quick follow up about guess what the macro. [TS]

00:00:09   Well come on we did like a whole episode and we can't. There's not going to be zero follow up. [TS]

00:00:13   No no I'd sign after we record last episode. Someone took it apart I think it was first O.-W. See and. [TS]

00:00:21   And then everyone else. Jump on the reporting of it but basically they discovered that the macro C.P.U. Is socketed. [TS]

00:00:27   And it has it's the regular standard Intel C.P.U. [TS]

00:00:31   With the heat spreader on top so you can easily take it out and replace it. [TS]

00:00:35   And everyone told me hey you can buy the C.P.U. You wanted. So. And you know. More more useful if everyone else. [TS]

00:00:44   Hey you can upgrade your macro C.P.U. In the future. Now. [TS]

00:00:48   In all my history of building my own computers back another P.C. Guy. And then ever since then owning Macs. [TS]

00:00:56   I have never once. Upgraded a C.P.U. and The main reason why is because usually the C.P.U. [TS]

00:01:05   Is not the only problem in a computer once it starts getting old and slow [TS]

00:01:10   and secondarily to that which is more limiting. Usually. You can't really after the C.P.U. [TS]

00:01:16   Very far usually by the time. There's there are C.P.U.'s that are substantially faster than what you have. [TS]

00:01:22   They either need a new socket or they need a different. Chipset on the motherboard of a need to use a faster bus or. [TS]

00:01:27   You know more than what your board can do something like that usually within the socket that you have on your board [TS]

00:01:34   and within what your board will support C.P.U. Wise. [TS]

00:01:37   Usually it's not really worth any upgrades that are available for it within that little narrow range so. [TS]

00:01:44   Of creating a C.P.U. In this case is not going to be that common of a thing. [TS]

00:01:49   It also was pretty hard to get to it requires pretty substantial disassembly of the whole thing including filling with [TS]

00:01:55   some very very small precise ribbon cables and stuff that connect all the big boards together so it's not something. [TS]

00:02:01   It's not like replacing RAM You know it's not like you know you pop the slot and that's a. [TS]

00:02:05   So I don't really think it's really going to be a thing that anybody does. [TS]

00:02:10   What makes it a little bit different in this case is. There is a pretty vast difference in core counts. [TS]

00:02:16   That are available for this socket. So if you start with the four core. [TS]

00:02:19   And then you know in two years you buy the a core. [TS]

00:02:23   That that'll be a big a big difference in parallel performance but even then like Singletary before [TS]

00:02:28   when you're probably not really going anywhere. [TS]

00:02:29   So it's it's probably not going to be worth it for almost anybody to actually do this let's not forget the. [TS]

00:02:36   The psychological trauma of opening up your beautiful trash can and carefully. [TS]

00:02:42   Prying it apart especially especially the things that you're pulling heat from like. [TS]

00:02:46   I know you don't have to take off the Internet it's better everything [TS]

00:02:49   but anything involving like you have to make sure when you put it back together. [TS]

00:02:53   That all of the correct contact is made between all the right parts to keep things cool because bad things can happen [TS]

00:02:57   if it's not and. It's a type of thing you get good at if you do it a lot but most of us don't you know. [TS]

00:03:03   Don't do this for a living don't build computers for a living to upgrade computer for a living so how many computers do [TS]

00:03:07   even own throughout your life even if you upgrade the C.P.U. [TS]

00:03:09   In every single one of them it's not a skill that I count among the things that I'm confident I can do on. [TS]

00:03:14   You know I've I've replaced heat sinks on graphics card itself out of that I hand full of times of my life [TS]

00:03:19   and I certainly don't want to crack open this. Five seven ten thousand dollar trash can cylinder. Yank out the C.P.U. [TS]

00:03:26   and Put another one maybe when the thing is like five years old and I feel like it's depreciated [TS]

00:03:30   but not as bad as opening a laptop but that's kind of part of the apple experiences. [TS]

00:03:34   You don't have to do this stuff you just buy a to comes out of the box it's pretty everything's in the works. [TS]

00:03:39   And you use it. Also there is a lot of of value in keeping your computer with the stock. Apple parts. [TS]

00:03:50   You know you anyone who's been around Apple long enough has has heard stories about how people say. [TS]

00:03:55   Send in their laptops for sir. [TS]

00:03:56   US from Apple and they get rejected because of us third party RAM in it or that will take their party ran out [TS]

00:04:01   and doesn't return. [TS]

00:04:02   Something like that like having third party RAM is always is always a little bit questionable whenever you need Apple [TS]

00:04:07   service and. And having a non-standard or upgraded C.P.U. In there. They probably wouldn't notice. [TS]

00:04:15   But if they did notice that would make it pretty hard to get service. [TS]

00:04:18   Even if something broke that they should cover and otherwise would cover. That might cause problems for you and so. [TS]

00:04:25   And also you know what if things go a little bit wrong what if your computer just being a little bit unstable. [TS]

00:04:31   Is it because you didn't apply. The right amount or pattern of thermal paste on the C.P.U. [TS]

00:04:36   or You didn't remount the thing properly. You never know and so you have all these things that. [TS]

00:04:40   That can become your problem. And for what gain. And if the gain is. [TS]

00:04:46   Maybe you saved a couple hundred dollars on a five thousand dollars computer or. [TS]

00:04:50   You know I putting in some third party thing. Or the gain is maybe you used in the life by a little bit longer like. [TS]

00:04:56   I don't know it's in most cases to not worth it especially now like you know it's that in the RAM example. [TS]

00:05:04   Apple's RAM pricing in the last few years actually gotten pretty competitive. It's not the cheapest. [TS]

00:05:09   But the price difference between Apple and anybody else of actual good quality like would have you see. [TS]

00:05:14   Crucial the price difference between those is not that big for most configurations for RAM so it actually is pretty [TS]

00:05:21   plausible. For the few remaining Macs that even have RAM slots. [TS]

00:05:25   It's pretty pretty possible to get pay Apple's price and and and be set. You know for a while at that. [TS]

00:05:33   And the other follow up before. Before we move on to some other things. [TS]

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00:07:33   I don't know I have a history of college I was going through the listeners because now that typing your name is that of [TS]

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00:07:44   confused with the our new Cuban calligrapher hover two it is really exciting stuff. This is the show. [TS]

00:07:52   Some people to know how we really going straight to macro talk we're not going to do anything I guess a prime expense. [TS]

00:07:59   What else is there. [TS]

00:08:00   I put I threw something in there because of the reviewing apples twenty thirty give it a blog post about it because [TS]

00:08:06   this is the first show of the new year so you know. Why not talk about last year. How Dapple did last year. [TS]

00:08:12   I am all for that John thank you first for writing at least a small or a pretty brief oasis of not. [TS]

00:08:21   All right so John tell me about how Apple didn't twenty thirteen other neither one of you. [TS]

00:08:26   They did on the REMEMBER MY APPLE twenty thirteen to do list posts from early in twenty thirteen. No I did. [TS]

00:08:33   Because I'm a huge fan boy. And when I was I thinking of ways to look at Apple. [TS]

00:08:42   I didn't want to do a wish list you know those ones like here. [TS]

00:08:45   Here are the things that I really want [TS]

00:08:46   or like the things that are wrong with their current products a lot of different angles a tech sites take at the. [TS]

00:08:52   You know what should Apple do. What should they do next which they do this year whatever. [TS]

00:08:57   And the angle of tech is being of last year was. Let me make a to do this like I was to give. [TS]

00:09:03   Tim Cook this list and say here's what you got to do this year and you're not going to put crazy stuff on it [TS]

00:09:07   but like make me a hoverboard or you know stuff like that because that's not actionable. Right. [TS]

00:09:11   And I'm not trying to predict what will Apple do like a rumor site here's what we think Apple will do next year give us [TS]

00:09:16   a totally different exercise I was trying to make a list of things that I think are feasible. [TS]

00:09:21   Reasonable not crazy they're going to be pretty boring. [TS]

00:09:24   But that Apple should do it so it's a To Do list for them they should just go down during the year make sure you do all [TS]

00:09:28   the stuff checked ect ect ect ect. And I totally planned you know. [TS]

00:09:32   By the end of the year to go back and see how they did and so that's what I did it is look. [TS]

00:09:35   The items that were ten items. And I went through each one of them. [TS]

00:09:38   And it's not surprising that they did pretty well because again these are not. [TS]

00:09:43   Predictions rumors [TS]

00:09:44   or wish list it's very straightforward stuff so I just want to go through them because they're pretty quick. [TS]

00:09:51   Ship boss ten ten point nine and I was seven. Like you know. Keep doing that stuff that you're doing. [TS]

00:09:57   They did that stuff. I was I really go out on a limb there John. Well. [TS]

00:10:01   It's got to be on the to listen because think about think of it this way. Like going on a limb I was seven. [TS]

00:10:06   You're pretty sure that's going to happen but ten point nine you know. Well they could. [TS]

00:10:09   They could get thrown off for i OS seven could turn out to be more of a problem than it. [TS]

00:10:13   You know than they expected and they could delay. [TS]

00:10:15   Ten point nine So it's conceivable they could have missed one of those [TS]

00:10:17   or they could have done the really bad that I get one of them was a disaster. Right. [TS]

00:10:20   I also gave these items letter grade so if one of those things that is asked her thought yeah you did that you ship [TS]

00:10:25   those two zero S. Is but one of them was terrible but you know. [TS]

00:10:28   They weren't so that's why I don't have a bone to pick I think you're suffering a little bit from grade inflation here [TS]

00:10:33   I think some of these grades are too high and lots of people think that you are low [TS]

00:10:36   and so you know I sort of thought harder of people are doing the grades because it's kind of like ratings on game [TS]

00:10:42   reviews. If you just review a game. [TS]

00:10:44   People leaving comments like you know that they get to get a agree with some of the Harvard soon as you attach a number [TS]

00:10:49   a letter greater number of stars people like this is totally not a nine point seven five three it's a nine point seven [TS]

00:10:54   five five. [TS]

00:10:55   Easily handle [TS]

00:10:57   and they'll just argue forever about the same way you argue about grades this is not an A minus is definitely an A [TS]

00:11:02   whatever and. I'm kind of regretting putting those grades an epic is now. [TS]

00:11:07   That's all people can see even you so much will get to your disagreement as we get these invite him [TS]

00:11:13   but do you think the a minus is unwarranted for ten and I was seven. No I think I think actually that's actually. [TS]

00:11:20   I would have been given a put the minus [TS]

00:11:23   and then just because I mean like I've linked to your thing about like the button shapes [TS]

00:11:26   and all the options they're adding and. That's a sign as you wrote in your post like as we talk about the show. [TS]

00:11:31   Once you start having to add options and stuff that's a sign that maybe you didn't eloquent the first time [TS]

00:11:35   and a lot of the times know no series of options. Will fix the fundamental flaw in the philosophy of your design. [TS]

00:11:42   Like you might have to go back you know. [TS]

00:11:45   Options are kind of a quick fix but it's kind of push pull something that one thing in over here [TS]

00:11:49   and something else pops out over there [TS]

00:11:50   and you push the thing in it's kind of you don't end up with a nicely shaped sort of product in the end you end up with [TS]

00:11:56   some cloth of lumps. And so I was seventy why has a couple of those minor wartimes by throwing a minus. You know. [TS]

00:12:03   I thought it was a diversified i Phone product line. [TS]

00:12:06   That's a vague item about I didn't want to be a particular specific idea just gotta do something is going to be more [TS]

00:12:11   than one i Phone more than one new i Phone not just. [TS]

00:12:14   Last year's model a new one you have to diversify and I've been talking about that for years. [TS]

00:12:18   and years they did it with five C. I give it a B. Plus. Only because the five C. [TS]

00:12:25   Is like it's a little bit disappointing in that it's not more different. [TS]

00:12:28   My whole thing was that if you make a purpose built. Cheaper phone. You can do. [TS]

00:12:33   You can do it better than simply offering last year's model. [TS]

00:12:36   And they kind of did that I guess by going with plastic and stuff and they've been a little bit bigger battery [TS]

00:12:40   but otherwise it's basically just an i Phone five in there [TS]

00:12:42   and I feel like there's an untapped potential in a purpose built second tier i Phone So maybe the next run out at [TS]

00:12:48   They'll do a little bit better but will say. [TS]

00:12:50   Are we getting the impression that the five season actually saying that well. [TS]

00:12:54   I don't even know if Apple going to break that down we have to wait for their earnings calls but it seems like. [TS]

00:12:59   Since the i Phone or the high end product that may well. [TS]

00:13:03   Like the lines that all the people lining up the early adopters obviously they're going to want the fancy phone. [TS]

00:13:07   And it seems like all of the people in line when they had people going through [TS]

00:13:11   and surveying them were there for the five S. Not the five C. [TS]

00:13:14   but Everyone I said OK well that's fine for the people who'd line up in the first week [TS]

00:13:17   or whatever what about over the long term deal just wander into the store and want to replace their i Phone [TS]

00:13:21   or want to try [TS]

00:13:22   and i Phone for the first time maybe they're all buying five C S I don't even know if Apple give us that breakdown [TS]

00:13:26   but I don't. This this. To do item is not predicated on the particular success that my merely that it has to exist. [TS]

00:13:33   I'm sure Apple will tweak the pricing the power in the mix I think they can diversify further in fact I haven't made a [TS]

00:13:39   twenty fourteen to do list for them but it's hard for us to know. [TS]

00:13:42   And I'm not even sure Apple's going to tell us I think we did at the weight on that. [TS]

00:13:46   Can I create a twenty fourteen to do list for you but includes one item of creating a twenty four team list for Apple. [TS]

00:13:54   You can create it and then you have to wait a year to write me on how well I did and how I compass that. [TS]

00:13:59   I can be patient. You know. We can you. I already gave up. I already bought the macro for God's sake. Yeah. Seriously. [TS]

00:14:09   Sell for the next item was I keep the i Pad on track. Which is a boring one. But it's something you have to do. [TS]

00:14:14   And it's a song to do list. [TS]

00:14:16   You can't because if that's not on the journalist you go through the year I did everything and is use the right guys. [TS]

00:14:20   And that Tim Cook says No you forgot to put out i Pad updates. So Paris is pretty great the i Pad Mini one retina. [TS]

00:14:30   I gave in a minus because the i Pad two is still there [TS]

00:14:33   and it's kind of creepy that they're still selling it for that price even though there are customers for it again I [TS]

00:14:36   think a purpose built model for that market we better and the i Pad Air really really needs more RAM like. [TS]

00:14:43   That's the one thing keeping you from not the one thing keep me from buying the i Pad ever one of the many things [TS]

00:14:47   keeping me from buying the i Pad areas it's kind of a shame. [TS]

00:14:50   They didn't bump the RAM up over the i Pad for an I think even that had three always have a gigabyte. [TS]

00:14:56   And with the power that's in the A seven and everything that deserves more ram. [TS]

00:15:00   So am I miss their introduce more better. Better retina Max. Kind of that. [TS]

00:15:06   The ones I was kind of talking about where the portables where they did finally put the you know the iris Prograf ICS. [TS]

00:15:10   in the back but pro to give the integrated G.P.U. [TS]

00:15:14   Another power to handle the screen and more things can go an integrated G.P.U. [TS]

00:15:19   They don't have to go to the discrete and actually this created only on the high end model [TS]

00:15:22   but it's still there so that's all good. But the Aaron I'm back now retina. [TS]

00:15:26   At all and the worst part as we've probably talk about later than that pro is retina. [TS]

00:15:31   Deliveries are at this point extremely limited as disappointing. So where to talk about giving up on retina. [TS]

00:15:38   Giving up on the run a dream for last year and maybe next year. [TS]

00:15:45   This turned out to be a particularly controversial want to make messages work correctly and. And I'm. [TS]

00:15:53   It's an Iraq messages. [TS]

00:15:55   But then I reference I message I was mostly talking about the application messages that's on the Mac. [TS]

00:15:58   I think it's probably called messages on the phone to but i Message just what people think of it when I use it [TS]

00:16:02   and I was anyway. [TS]

00:16:05   When I was saying it's like it's an instant messaging service you type text [TS]

00:16:09   and it appears on one else's screen you have a little conversation with little bubbles is basically the replacement for [TS]

00:16:13   i Chat. I was pretty crappy in beta. [TS]

00:16:16   And I was pretty crappy when it came out for real [TS]

00:16:18   and I said you go thank those who was in semester kind of got to work. And as I said in their report card here. Is it. [TS]

00:16:27   Is it fixed now. [TS]

00:16:28   It's hard for me to tell because I don't have a strong presented a survey of every single person who's using messages [TS]

00:16:33   in the entire world. [TS]

00:16:35   But in my own personal experience and in the experience of the people who send me e-mail tweet at me [TS]

00:16:38   and then people who I know there are still routinely really embarrassing dumb problems with messages like messages [TS]

00:16:46   being in the wrong order or clicking on a conversation in messages. [TS]

00:16:51   And the right hand pain showing you a different conversation. [TS]

00:16:54   And those types of fundamentalists are what's the big deal it's a small little bug right. [TS]

00:16:58   You can't you just can't trust and it's a message program that does that like. [TS]

00:17:01   It's it's it's kind of a degree of difficulty to have a situation where OK So in some crazy obscure situation with [TS]

00:17:08   twenty different devices maybe does this weird thing fine. But this is like. [TS]

00:17:12   Just from one person to another one MAC to another having a simple conversation where you type something it appears [TS]

00:17:17   and I type something appears and it can't even handle that correctly. And that's why I give them a D. [TS]

00:17:22   Because their task was make messages work regularly I think they still haven't done it I still retain Lisi reports from [TS]

00:17:28   people I routinely experience on myself. Really basic bugs and messages. [TS]

00:17:33   And it's not as though the end of the world is not deleting all my data it's not it's not you know hosing my hard drive [TS]

00:17:38   or causing kernel panics but it's failing to be a competent instant message client. [TS]

00:17:43   If that happens to you once a month. Once a year is that OK what if you. [TS]

00:17:46   If you think you clicked on a conversation start typing and don't realize until you know a minute [TS]

00:17:51   or two later that you're actually having a totally different conversation he said something you didn't want to say in [TS]

00:17:55   that window or things being out in the wrong order not being able to make sense of all conversations [TS]

00:17:59   or messages like inserting themselves up into your history or losing your entire scroll back. Those. [TS]

00:18:04   That's unacceptable. [TS]

00:18:06   It's accept the one a beta it's maybe acceptable in a one point zero [TS]

00:18:08   but at this point the basics should be sorted out and I've used like every I am. Client. You can. [TS]

00:18:14   You know high profile on insta. Yeah I was the messenger am I think you Google Talk. You know. Custom jabber servers. [TS]

00:18:23   You name it I've used them and. [TS]

00:18:25   I'm not doing Apple for not getting the really hard stuff right I'm doing them for not getting the basics right and. [TS]

00:18:30   Some people say oh it works fine for me as I message it all the time works perfectly well that's great [TS]

00:18:34   but there's still enough people. [TS]

00:18:36   For whom it doesn't work or I click that I gave them a deal on the task of make messages were correctly. [TS]

00:18:42   See I disagree there well I should say I disagree. [TS]

00:18:45   I just don't see any of those issues so if I saw those issues I would rate it the same way. [TS]

00:18:49   But I actually I am going to ruin things for myself by saying this out loud [TS]

00:18:55   but I almost never have problems with i Message and I almost never have problems with the messages app. [TS]

00:19:01   I don't ask a lot of my message I don't Lance ask a lot of my. I am client on on the mac. [TS]

00:19:06   But I very rarely in fact I can't even remember the last time I've had an issue with either. [TS]

00:19:11   And so I'm stunned that not only are you saying watch and placed on [TS]

00:19:15   but I'm surprised that not only are you saying that you're that you're experiencing all these issues but your. [TS]

00:19:19   You've clearly collected a lot of feedback from regular people saying the other people saying that it they're also [TS]

00:19:25   experiencing the issues. [TS]

00:19:26   I mean that's of I was going to answer but it was one and one person was objecting this has never happened to them [TS]

00:19:30   and it's an unfair grade or whatever and then a few other of my random followers saw that one guy said like. [TS]

00:19:35   I just took a survey of ten i Phone users in this room and all ten have seen. Problems like these recently and. [TS]

00:19:43   You know there's other people who fall over just having. [TS]

00:19:45   You know a month long years long battle with messages and constant post screenshots of the scripts or whatever [TS]

00:19:50   and people send me email. [TS]

00:19:52   It doesn't happen to everybody it's not widespread it's not an epidemic it's not it's not a big deal [TS]

00:19:55   but it's a big enough deal like a few says never happened to you say it happened once just once. [TS]

00:20:01   Where you click the conversation started typing and didn't realize it was the wrong conversation. [TS]

00:20:06   After that you're going to look at messages a little bit differently. [TS]

00:20:08   And say it happened maybe maybe maybe not just once maybe like once. Two years ago. And then once. [TS]

00:20:13   Three six months later and then once a couple months after that. [TS]

00:20:16   Eventually you start said look this is this this program. It's not terrible works fine most of the time. [TS]

00:20:21   But I have to constantly be watching it [TS]

00:20:22   and other programs you don't have to constantly watching how even Skype for crying out loud. [TS]

00:20:26   You type a message and it appears a dozen Mr Liver doesn't deliver it twice. It doesn't send it to the wrong person. [TS]

00:20:33   The message is assorted correctly in the scroll back. You know all those things. [TS]

00:20:36   Just take for granted I mean for granted a lot of Skype is doing it correctly. And Apple can't you know. [TS]

00:20:41   It's not it's not because this is a BIG be able to says it's do item which was. [TS]

00:20:45   You know Apple bring your insta Mester client. [TS]

00:20:48   How helped bring it up to the reliability standards that much but i Chat. Even using A.O.L. Servers. [TS]

00:20:53   Right and they haven't even they haven't even got up to you know there were fewer problems with i Chat. [TS]

00:20:58   So I get that want to be on the most interesting thing to me about this is that the To me these are the kinds of [TS]

00:21:04   problems that Apple doesn't from the outside seem to care about it all. [TS]

00:21:08   You know they'll care about an antenna gate which actually wasn't a problem [TS]

00:21:11   but they'll care about something that everyone screaming yelling about. But when it's an intermittent. [TS]

00:21:15   Intermittent thing. It seems like it never ever ever gets fixed. [TS]

00:21:20   Or if it does it's just a happy accident riding along with some other bug fix that was unrelated. [TS]

00:21:24   I feel like these are the sorts of things that they can or constantly. [TS]

00:21:27   Well it's so hard to debug this the biggest people people fall radars on it's like this one time I launch messages [TS]

00:21:33   and it did this crazy thing. Here's a screenshot of the crazy thing. [TS]

00:21:36   How can they do bug that they have no idea like it's you know it's a client's a server issue this date involved that [TS]

00:21:41   all that has gone by that point it's so I understand. [TS]

00:21:44   You know be difficult for them to do bug it's not like oh there's an obvious fix they're not doing. [TS]

00:21:48   But it's their job to just make something that works like many people have made instant message clients that work. [TS]

00:21:53   You know. Yeah. [TS]

00:21:55   I think you am using that the native clients using Adam for them jabber Google Talk will talk has a web component. [TS]

00:22:02   Google Talk is have fewer problems with not just like a thing in the web browser plus amusing outing at the same time. [TS]

00:22:07   Like they have to figure out what's going on here and fix it and I didn't give us all an F. [TS]

00:22:11   Because I think they did make messages work better. They just didn't make it work better and the flag. [TS]

00:22:16   I should no longer be experiencing the type like just someone asked me what does happen to you as a matter of fact. [TS]

00:22:21   Just happened yesterday. [TS]

00:22:23   My parents were here and I was trying to demonstrate something with messages [TS]

00:22:25   and sending a message from one computer to another to show. [TS]

00:22:28   I want to show how like you when your don't have messages launch you can still get the notifications and stuff [TS]

00:22:33   and I was just demonstrating messages from one MAC to another and. I couldn't get a message to go one MAC another. [TS]

00:22:38   Both of them using messages both signed in with two different Apple ideas and two different computers. [TS]

00:22:43   And I would send a message and they wouldn't hear and I was sent messages that when the pair and I quit [TS]

00:22:46   and relaunch the program to decide that always on they started working. [TS]

00:22:49   But the messages that I sent the didn't appear never appeared. [TS]

00:22:53   Maybe they'll appear next month out of order them whereas I don't know but that's that's that's an excusable. [TS]

00:22:59   Come to the end there. Make i Cloud better. Actually give us want to see. [TS]

00:23:03   Because I think the have made a club but I wrote about in the Mavericks. [TS]

00:23:06   Or the quite hard core data team got a chance to regroup. [TS]

00:23:11   You know maybe maybe it's too late for them to do to win back the hearts and minds of people [TS]

00:23:15   but there are a least trying to fix the problems that they had. [TS]

00:23:18   But in general I don't think i Cloud still has a good reputation mostly because I like what they provide to the kind of [TS]

00:23:23   control they provide to you is like go into a preference brain and check a check box [TS]

00:23:27   or in know something simple like that and when it doesn't work. You just gonna have to stare at it until it does. [TS]

00:23:33   Like oh just wait maybe it'll peer. [TS]

00:23:35   You know just launch I thought oh let's get there may be stuff in photo stream will appear eventual if it doesn't. [TS]

00:23:39   I don't know what to do like there's no there's no visibility. So you're not going to provide any visibility. [TS]

00:23:44   Ernie you know sort of way to debunk which is fine I'm all for not letting people see all the gears [TS]

00:23:49   and touch all that stuff but you just gotta make a work all the time and I call it still doesn't. [TS]

00:23:53   I still also disagree that the. I Cloud I mean and you know the word i Cloud. Applies to lots of different things. [TS]

00:24:01   Talking specifically about like the files and documents and data storage with an absence inking all that. [TS]

00:24:07   I still disagree that that's even a well designed system that I think conceptually. [TS]

00:24:13   The whole idea of each app being its own silo [TS]

00:24:16   and having this i Cloud container in it that's pretty much opaque to everything else.. [TS]

00:24:21   Or completely opaque to everything else. I O. S. It almost makes sense. On the mac. [TS]

00:24:28   It's really confusing and really clunky and. I would even say on the mac it's. [TS]

00:24:34   It's badly designed conceptually and I still don't see this really taking off or going anywhere in the future. [TS]

00:24:42   Yeah they haven't really made another run at that I think they're still in the deep sync stage Well there are two [TS]

00:24:46   stages one is make the existing stuff. Work correctly and reliably. [TS]

00:24:50   Which is a tele separation the second is let's think about how we can deal with the whole silo thing [TS]

00:24:55   and I don't think they're going to I'm hoping. [TS]

00:24:58   Eventually they'll come back and say we've thought about this and here is our solution to that. [TS]

00:25:02   And it will be a kind of a big picture solution not just like some kind of weird Band-Aid [TS]

00:25:06   or hack that enhances the silo systems of those Like this little straw being drawn between silos where you can send [TS]

00:25:13   things I don't know. [TS]

00:25:14   So I hope they're considering that but that wasn't what I was getting I would to do it and I was mostly just saying. [TS]

00:25:19   Mostly going for reliability and and speed and stuff. Maybe next year's list was like well thing. [TS]

00:25:25   I would hold my breath. Yeah. If there is a list. That's almost a resurrect I life and I work. [TS]

00:25:32   And they did that but they kind of did a Pet Sematary style. Feel when you read that book or saw the movie but anyway. [TS]

00:25:40   I live in our car back. But they're not really the applications we thought they would be like. [TS]

00:25:47   There are new they are different but sometimes they have fewer features. [TS]

00:25:51   And it's not kind of like wow this makes the old versions like crap it's more like. [TS]

00:25:56   Boy I hope I can still get my work done with these new versions because they're moved a lot of features [TS]

00:26:00   and they change the file format and all of their stuff so it's not really. [TS]

00:26:04   Not really what I was looking for but they did resurrect it right there back. [TS]

00:26:09   Although not the not the names but the individual apps. OK they're free. When a. Yeah I don't I. [TS]

00:26:17   I actually use the I work out like I don't use Microsoft Office I don't even have it installed I use the I work apps [TS]

00:26:23   for work and Granted my kind of work does not require frequent use of them. [TS]

00:26:27   These numbers I do use frequently actually for like an accounting stuff but. [TS]

00:26:30   And the occasional graph [TS]

00:26:31   but I have not found anything in the new versions that I think is better than the old versions. [TS]

00:26:38   I like and I I want to light these so much and I just can't. I'm having a really hard time. [TS]

00:26:46   Having any faith in Apple to do right by their application software anymore. You know their O.-S. [TS]

00:26:51   Is doing great on both O.S.'s are doing great their hardware is doing great as I said in the past their application [TS]

00:26:58   software is really suffering and they you know I looked at the. [TS]

00:27:02   At the the apps by Apple page on the mac app store to see all the let me get a list of all their all their major [TS]

00:27:08   application software and. It's on a very long list. It's basically I life I work. Final Cut. Logic. [TS]

00:27:13   Aperture and a couple of like little administrative things there. And I really question. [TS]

00:27:31   What's going on there like why is it that they don't have enough time to do to do this rally [TS]

00:27:36   or are they in too much of a crunch. [TS]

00:27:37   Every year [TS]

00:27:38   and they had they want to get this release cycle is that a problem of one of the leaders of one of the groups in the in [TS]

00:27:44   the company is it a problem of priorities is a problem of design like what. [TS]

00:27:48   What is causing them to like now I'm scared. Any Apple app I use. I live I work. Pro. [TS]

00:27:57   I'm actually scared to see what Apple does to it next its reach that point. And that's that's really that. [TS]

00:28:02   I think they're in the same corner as Microsoft. Found itself in the. [TS]

00:28:07   The barrier to entry of the price of being part of this market is now higher [TS]

00:28:12   and different in a way is the not prepared for and. When I hear that is like when a microsoft. [TS]

00:28:18   Kept revising office or windows for that matter. [TS]

00:28:20   And the Internet age dawned that their reaction was I guess this means we have to add like internet crap to Microsoft [TS]

00:28:27   Word or something. I think guys is that what we have to do. And like the next thing is like All right well. [TS]

00:28:32   I think it means we have to make like a web version of Office or something I don't know. [TS]

00:28:36   And I think of this I think of Google back there kind of smiling and gloating like we have one version of. [TS]

00:28:42   You know Google Docs or a spreadsheet or whatever it is not a fancy version is not amazing the which have one. [TS]

00:28:47   And we can put all our resources behind that. But now Apple has to make the I was very soon. [TS]

00:28:53   And they owe us ten version. And the stupid web version. [TS]

00:28:55   They have to make three versions of their programs and this really seemed to be about synchronizing them. [TS]

00:28:59   Feature wise and file format because it was embarrassing when you have like all the web version can use the. [TS]

00:29:03   You can edit the file. [TS]

00:29:04   You can just view the files or edit them on the made in your mac when you put them in Iowa some features don't work [TS]

00:29:08   and I was that was embarrassing when they had three versions and they were in sync. [TS]

00:29:12   And some of them you could create some things that could be viewed other than vice versa. [TS]

00:29:16   And so this really says more about we have to synchronize the look what they're doing they're synchronizing three [TS]

00:29:19   what's basically three entirely different applications gunnels at how much code the sheriff anything between. [TS]

00:29:25   I was in the MAC maybe some there but like the web version who knows. And that's why they've got and. [TS]

00:29:30   They've got to be feel like. [TS]

00:29:32   But we must be doing something wrong here because I know native software is greater than the Google has to make one [TS]

00:29:37   version of these and we have to make three and that feels wrong and were spread too thin and we have trouble hiring [TS]

00:29:42   and he's not a big priority and so. [TS]

00:29:44   And we need to hit our deadlines [TS]

00:29:45   and talk about the yearly deadline like I work the latest version was over nine right and I life it was like eleven. [TS]

00:29:51   Yeah I LIVE FOR THE can mix of like ten and eleven. [TS]

00:29:53   I looked over the up and I made that post and it's like it's really. It basically the i Pad came out. [TS]

00:29:59   And then all development on Maclin cation stopped. Because all the teams. Literally could all the teams were like. [TS]

00:30:05   Then. Oh my God a rush to create. I Pad version and then i Phone version and and. [TS]

00:30:10   You know it's very clear that Apple is using very small teams [TS]

00:30:14   and we know that from talking to people there we know that they use very small teams and stuff like those and. [TS]

00:30:19   It's clear that this is like they were distracted by having to make i i OS versions. [TS]

00:30:25   And they have an update the I was versions. [TS]

00:30:27   And now all of a sudden now they're back to their back to the MAC having to make something has been almost four years. [TS]

00:30:34   I haven't made anything really. [TS]

00:30:35   They have to make some kind of update [TS]

00:30:36   but it's not like they've been working for four years on the mac version straight they've been working on the mag [TS]

00:30:40   version for maybe a year. And so and on top of all of us of having like cram all this in. [TS]

00:30:46   It's just it's really it's very clear that they're not handling their size well at all it's got to know what I'm [TS]

00:30:54   talking about saw from a thought. [TS]

00:30:55   Methodology is right now but to getting back to one thing about software development I've always believed [TS]

00:31:00   and find a pressure when it's not the case is that. I'm a big proponent of leaving developers on. A product. [TS]

00:31:09   So if you have a team that builds some application. When the application is done it ships. [TS]

00:31:16   Don't take those people off and assign them to a new product and repeat that process. It doesn't mean you can't. [TS]

00:31:23   Doesn't mean that people can't work in different products or whatever [TS]

00:31:25   but in general there must always be a team working on X. Want that's like that's the cost of having a product. [TS]

00:31:30   The cost of having a product is the team the build it [TS]

00:31:33   and you gotta have a team that there that supports that product make the next version. [TS]

00:31:36   And that teams only job should be to make that process awesome again [TS]

00:31:39   and maybe that probably becomes irrelevant then you got to move them or that process to change in a certain way. [TS]

00:31:43   But you can't to shift them like OK we did that you know every bit like. [TS]

00:31:47   It seems like from the outside that that Apple has like these A players [TS]

00:31:51   and like wherever the fire is wherever the most important thing is the A players get swept off to there it's exciting [TS]

00:31:56   it's fun like Hey now we're doing I was sort of senior project So Paul the best cocoa guys bring or die us right. [TS]

00:32:01   And hey now we're doing the amazing holographic watch levitating hoverboard everybody pulled them over like you know [TS]

00:32:07   that's that's not a good way to support your products you have to. [TS]

00:32:11   You have to leave a team in place like well that if we do that everything have these teams in place like stuck there [TS]

00:32:15   with those developing resources are basically dead to us they're not dead they're they're making a new version a new [TS]

00:32:20   version to make them better and better and we all see the point where that kind of stop like. [TS]

00:32:24   I thought I got better and better up to about two versions ago. And then it just got worse and worse. [TS]

00:32:30   You know the same deal with many other products that we're talking about where we could tell [TS]

00:32:34   when there was teams actively working on the nice diversion was a big thing for example I.O.'s has teams actively [TS]

00:32:39   working on it and each new version is like wild look at what they've done right. Or the compiler team. [TS]

00:32:44   There's no they didn't take those guys off. The compiler team and say we did this we're done now that every year. [TS]

00:32:49   They have new stuff that team it's a probably a small team and it's fine [TS]

00:32:52   or whatever not thing you need like Microsoft side seams with hundreds of people. [TS]

00:32:56   But every year there is a compiler team it's probably good like you can't take the compiler guys like make them do the [TS]

00:33:00   next version of like numbers for i OS or some. Thing. [TS]

00:33:03   Because they're just compiler guys and what else are they going to do my work better. But every year. [TS]

00:33:09   They make you know the programming language Objective C. Runtime the compilers. They make that better of your and X. [TS]

00:33:14   Go team on the simming it just does X. Code Year after year and that gets revised. [TS]

00:33:18   But you're right it seems like the guys who are doing i Life is like a number now we gotta make all these riots [TS]

00:33:22   and maybe not the same guys or whatever it are now we have to make things like. [TS]

00:33:26   And so who's left on the i Phone or team well. [TS]

00:33:28   Your job is to use a couple new controls to make a look more like I us [TS]

00:33:31   and keep it running on the new version the operating system [TS]

00:33:34   and take away key words under photos because you want to drive John Kerry is a crazy and. [TS]

00:33:40   Do you think it's like there's like one guy at Apple somewhere. Whose job it is to just drive you crazy. [TS]

00:33:45   So I want to find the person who took the words. [TS]

00:33:48   Out from underneath autos and find the person who's keeping them away because maybe you Steve Jobs it took them away. [TS]

00:33:52   Fine. Now he's gone. Because put them back. I'll give you one word. That will solve your problem. [TS]

00:33:58   Lightroom to it for me. It's not it's never too late or late. Look I use i Photo for years. I then used. [TS]

00:34:06   Aperture for years. White Room. Trust me. It is night and day. I mean this is ultimately what. [TS]

00:34:14   What I'm doing here is I'm replacing Apple software. With Adobe software. [TS]

00:34:19   Like what you're doing to yourself I know that's an improvement. To be fair. [TS]

00:34:22   Light Room is probably would say possibly Adobe's best product. It's a really good product. [TS]

00:34:27   It's nothing like their other one. It's really. All right. So that's good. [TS]

00:34:34   I made my as my own fault for not being clear in the to do it [TS]

00:34:37   and resurrect I life not working what I meant was like they hadn't been updated so long [TS]

00:34:41   and now they've been opted in like I said of us like to be careful what I wish or. They didn't resurrect them all. [TS]

00:34:46   Yeah. I think be minus was was optimistic on that grade. [TS]

00:34:51   Like I just said resurrect they did resurrect the right in to resurrect them and make them. [TS]

00:34:55   I should have been more specific. So they get a B. Minus. [TS]

00:34:58   Because I am glad that they like at least that what if there was no new version of my work [TS]

00:35:01   or whatever was just that web thing that no one cares about. Like that would be a lower grade. [TS]

00:35:05   The next item was to reassure him act pro lovers. I give them one day. Because you know. [TS]

00:35:11   The dramatic intro video damn you know do you see a member that thing with all the deep bass in that room in the video [TS]

00:35:18   and like. You know that's. It's reassuring Apple is totally in the not pro business again. [TS]

00:35:24   But you know the whole nine yards in the factory in the US and. [TS]

00:35:28   Yep definitely in a they're going to choose to just be quiet here. Better get used to it. [TS]

00:35:38   Getting I know I'm totally kidding I'm totally cool. I am I find I don't most do something about T.V.. [TS]

00:35:45   Which was conceivable. Last year they could learn something about T.V. [TS]

00:35:48   And what I meant by that if you look back at the original item. [TS]

00:35:51   I have specific examples of what I was talking about it's like. [TS]

00:35:54   Do something something different than what you've been doing instead of just having a little Apple T.V. [TS]

00:35:58   Dr No make it make a T.V. Set by Netflix and make apps that are on the T.V. [TS]

00:36:02   Something that we all recognize as a big move in a television world because Apple has been hinting that they want to [TS]

00:36:09   they're interested in television I want to do something they have to see lots of potential blah blah blah blah blah [TS]

00:36:14   and. I thought it was time for them to actually do something. But they didn't. [TS]

00:36:18   We don't know why maybe I'll find a next year. That's you know when I gave it F. [TS]

00:36:22   Because they totally didn't do that but that was kind of a stretch anyway I was kind of a. I was. [TS]

00:36:25   That was the closest thing to whistle plan. [TS]

00:36:28   But overall I think give us a pretty good rating it was a pretty good year for them. They did they did. [TS]

00:36:34   Pretty much most of the things they were supposed to do. [TS]

00:36:37   To varying degrees success [TS]

00:36:38   but I would give them check marks like yep we did do this to this they did a lot of things they had to do. [TS]

00:36:42   No big stumbles just a few minor ones here and there them all feeling or care about so good here for them. [TS]

00:36:50   Now do you want to give any any hints on. If you made twenty four team list. What that might include. I think it's. [TS]

00:36:56   I think it might be harder for me because last year like I was trying to look for a way in to this. [TS]

00:37:01   Other than saying like speculating about what they might do or doing a wish list [TS]

00:37:06   and to do seem to purport of the time because it seemed like they had a lot of work cut out for them. [TS]

00:37:10   You know that was kind of a DID beginning of the you know. [TS]

00:37:12   Tim Cook's run it's like well what do you got to do what you got to do if you want to rappel you've got a lot of [TS]

00:37:16   product lines and you have to sort of hit all of them and you know a couple of them are in various states of crisis. [TS]

00:37:21   and other ones hadn't been updated a while so you got X. Y. and Z. Going into next year. [TS]

00:37:26   I don't know if it's a dualist is the right format. Maybe now it's time to start thinking of a different angle on this. [TS]

00:37:32   So I'm not sure what I'm going to do with that if anything [TS]

00:37:36   but I want to think about it some more because I was going to make a to do list I think it would be kind of kind of [TS]

00:37:41   boring and. I think I would have to start to go into the speculation type stuff of new product categories and T.V. [TS]

00:37:47   Mumbo jumbo so I don't know if this is the right format for next year when the funding is you can copy [TS]

00:37:52   and paste this list with very few changes and just say I do this again. [TS]

00:37:55   Yeah well those the things they have to do every year [TS]

00:37:57   but I'd like for example I'm I would gladly not put us ten ten ten not on their say like. [TS]

00:38:03   Look I don't think you need ten ten next year you could do. [TS]

00:38:06   Ten nineteen march your way up through the single digits there and do ten ten and eighteen months. [TS]

00:38:10   The world would not end it gives you enough time to do new file system all for. You know I mean clerks. [TS]

00:38:18   And i OS seven like. [TS]

00:38:20   You can imagine an i OS eight that is a lot like Iowa seven but with a few new frameworks and features [TS]

00:38:25   and some minor U.I. [TS]

00:38:27   Tweaks [TS]

00:38:27   and like they're going to call that's what I was it is going to be like they're going to call that I always say it [TS]

00:38:31   but it's not you know. [TS]

00:38:32   I think that's fine and all the rest of [TS]

00:38:35   but diversifying the i Phone if they go another year with just two phones I think that's fine you know to do that [TS]

00:38:39   keeping the I bet on track. I think there's room for an i Pad. [TS]

00:38:43   Pro and there [TS]

00:38:44   but maybe not next year like you're right it's a lot of the same stuff they have certain product lines at the here [TS]

00:38:49   but I tried to be specific about what I was expecting like you know. [TS]

00:38:52   Or they're going to with Maclin you gotta bring more retina out of going to be repeated X. [TS]

00:38:56   Your toe and messages and i Cloud. I don't know what to say about those things anymore. [TS]

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00:40:56   That's how good they are I'm not like this is not actually a joke or anything like they. [TS]

00:41:01   They charge real sustainable software prices. [TS]

00:41:04   They've been around forever they have ridiculous Lee good quality ridiculously good support. [TS]

00:41:09   They have a very very long history of this. And it shows their apps are professionally made and. I mean. [TS]

00:41:16   Heck I had I'm new graphical on a graphic aim with my first mac like they had some deal with Apple. [TS]

00:41:21   Around two thousand and four I guess when I bought the mac where it came with like a basic version of it [TS]

00:41:25   and their stuff just so good it's been around forever. Great history great company. [TS]

00:41:30   Go to Omni group dot com and check out these very professional apps especially the new on the gravel six. [TS]

00:41:36   Thanks a lot to on the gravel and on the group. Once or. [TS]

00:41:39   I remember the days when I got to make all my graphics my I was ten or views in on the gravel. [TS]

00:41:43   And now they have a sort of a chart formatted ours and I want to do certain use other software for the charting [TS]

00:41:49   but on the gravel I still have it. [TS]

00:41:51   And I still use it is amazing I use that a lot if you're a programmer [TS]

00:41:54   and you are made like those programmer a kind of diagrams they can do that for your two. [TS]

00:41:58   I use it is a poor man's Adobe Illustrator. Even though it's not really made to be Adobe Illustrator. [TS]

00:42:03   But here's the thing about on the graph on a lot of the on the applications. [TS]

00:42:06   They look kind of like a note like where doesn't doesn't seem like a lot of features there. But believe me. [TS]

00:42:12   There are a ton of features that. [TS]

00:42:13   I liken it to the days [TS]

00:42:15   when I used to use I think it was Autocad way back in the day with a command line I don't know if you ever use Autocad [TS]

00:42:20   where you sort of type in commands to do sort of. [TS]

00:42:23   It's not obvious like you look at the tools that were on the screen didn't seem like you could do a lot [TS]

00:42:27   but if you knew what type of the little prompt you could do amazing things right. Well. [TS]

00:42:31   If you just look in on the gravel it just looks like a palette of tools and a bunch of stuff whatever [TS]

00:42:35   but there are so many keyboard commands keyboard shortcuts. [TS]

00:42:39   Weird tools where you can copy and paste subsets of styles from one place to another duplicate items aligned [TS]

00:42:45   and rotate them [TS]

00:42:46   and reconnect things to magnet it is like if you ever seen some of the really good using on the gravel It is amazingly [TS]

00:42:51   impressive. And I feel like I'm only barely scratches serviceable this program can do and I keep. [TS]

00:42:56   I keep buying the upgrades like to say an upgrade price right again. [TS]

00:43:00   Even though I almost never use it or use it like maybe once [TS]

00:43:02   or twice a year I just love the program I just love having it on my computer. Yeah I mean. Their stuff is really there. [TS]

00:43:08   These are pro apps. You know everything you describe describes what having like the this like deep. [TS]

00:43:13   Attentional for learning new shortcuts learn new features that's what that's how pro apps are [TS]

00:43:17   and Dees are really truly pro apps. And they're really great so thanks a lot to The. On the group for sponsoring. [TS]

00:43:25   All right so we should probably get to an Antec smack per view. [TS]

00:43:32   Well if you insist that you would like to talk about the. I would love. [TS]

00:43:36   I would like nothing more than to talk about the macro did you did you read it get big. I did was a good. [TS]

00:43:44   The review was very good. I know your. [TS]

00:43:46   I know you're saying that have seriously have joking the review was very good in all his reviews are really good you [TS]

00:43:50   know as a quick aside. It made me think. I feel like he's much better. And perhaps more. [TS]

00:43:59   Apple friendly version of Tom from Toms Hardware do you do you guys read that back in the day. [TS]

00:44:03   Well if I remember I remember it's still there isn't yet still there. Yeah. Does anyone ever read it anymore. [TS]

00:44:08   It mean it looks radically different now. But yeah I'll occasionally in there from Google searches about processors. [TS]

00:44:13   And yet still around. Money right so yeah. An Antec in a proper announcement wrong I'm sorry but an Antec. [TS]

00:44:20   Seems like a modern twenty tense era. [TS]

00:44:23   Tom's Hardware and their view was very good [TS]

00:44:26   and I've come to really enjoy their hardware reviews they're not quite to Syracuse Ian level but. [TS]

00:44:33   But they're very very good in the macro view is good it's just about something that I'm not terribly interested in. [TS]

00:44:38   But with that said. I know that you guys and many many of the listeners are anxious to talk about this. [TS]

00:44:43   So let let me have it. So first John I'm curious. When you read it. [TS]

00:44:51   What did it make you think about a potential macro purchase for yourself. To probably made me. [TS]

00:44:57   Push me more towards not getting one. [TS]

00:44:59   Although it puts your workers not getting one for a lot of reasons it at the same time it made me think that. [TS]

00:45:07   The big reason is still how much it costs. [TS]

00:45:09   As that's what it always comes down to because I would love to have a macro who wouldn't want one. Right. [TS]

00:45:13   Well I can think of one of us. [TS]

00:45:14   It may be a case really really good so I gave it to you for free or for some really cheap price [TS]

00:45:18   or whatever you take it right because it's awesome it's a it's an amazing thing. But since it cost so much. [TS]

00:45:23   I constantly have to be weighing it against my other options for similar or less money [TS]

00:45:28   and learning more about this machine made me. Push me more towards. I got I have to find some alternative.. [TS]

00:45:35   Both in looking at the performance figures both C.P.U. and G.P.U. Have mostly G.P.U. [TS]

00:45:40   And also just thinking about like it does look like is a compromise machine. [TS]

00:45:48   And I think it is a compromise machine like the one thing that's really pushing me towards getting is like well you [TS]

00:45:53   have the first power Mackie five and like. Don't you want the first one like the. The first cheese grater. [TS]

00:45:59   The first trash can like it's my mac collecting type things [TS]

00:46:02   but he goes up on the other side I'm looking at what's inside this thing. [TS]

00:46:05   And there are lots of weird compromises inside there I mean he talked about the interview [TS]

00:46:09   and you know the ones we've always known of are the server see views being off games [TS]

00:46:13   but just the way the thing is built internally and. [TS]

00:46:15   And the decisions they had to make it makes me think I'm going to spend all this money. [TS]

00:46:19   And I get it I'm except these compromises in performance and stuff it doesn't really matter like [TS]

00:46:24   but that just seems awkward to me like you know nothing U.S.B. [TS]

00:46:28   Three and a chipset which I didn't realize until I read the review. [TS]

00:46:31   Is that going to be the end of the world No but at the compromise [TS]

00:46:33   and it's actually in this case it actually is a compromise or real world consequences. [TS]

00:46:38   But you talk about a bit I think but it's. It's pushing me away. I think. Let's assume that it's a year from now. [TS]

00:46:44   And we have to make it safe let's say it's two years from now. And we have available. [TS]

00:46:52   A twenty seven inch retina I met with the screen resolution we want or a mac pro with an extra a resolution. [TS]

00:46:59   And an external retina monitor with the same resolution. So we can get right now on both. So that's now. [TS]

00:47:05   You know on our factor. At that point. I would have a hard time not choosing the IMAX and I think for you. [TS]

00:47:14   It would be no question. You should get the Imax for what you actually want. [TS]

00:47:19   I think it would be your time two years from now for me to knock at the IMAX because I'm all about. [TS]

00:47:25   I'm all about the G.P.U. Marco. And that's of the reason. [TS]

00:47:28   The only reason I'm looking at the thing is because I need a S.U.V. And in fact I'm saying well this. [TS]

00:47:32   For this amount of money this you better be like the fastest possible and it's not [TS]

00:47:36   and well you know one of things pushing me away right. [TS]

00:47:38   So that I might have never going to have the best possible to be the next pros always going to have four G.B. [TS]

00:47:42   Of progress hoping. You know again because the G.P.U. [TS]

00:47:44   Is there are one revision back from A [TS]

00:47:47   and E.'s current chips right so even there it's a compromise where they selected them. Before the new revision of the. [TS]

00:47:53   You know what he called the G.C. and Corps over there came out so they have an older version there it's it's. [TS]

00:48:00   I don't know I mean again it's a bit just because it cost so much money it was too grand to get one in a heartbeat. [TS]

00:48:04   Like I wouldn't write and that's the thing I think for your purposes. For your expressed interest in Windows gaming. [TS]

00:48:14   I mean first of all you can look doesn't use a oh great a lot has like the dual card whatever it's called for a T.I.. [TS]

00:48:19   CROSSFIRE X. Right. So the. [TS]

00:48:22   So according to the an Antec review the MacPro is configured to do that for Windows [TS]

00:48:27   but zero S ten does not support that. And that's not really that big of a problem. Oh S. [TS]

00:48:31   Ten really doesn't care much about game use. And that's mostly used for games as far as I know. [TS]

00:48:37   I don't think pro actually really support that very much so I could be wrong I don't know. But the point is. [TS]

00:48:42   I still think that for your purposes. You would be much better served. Buying a new IMAX every two years. [TS]

00:48:49   Than buying a mac pro every four or five. [TS]

00:48:52   Well I'm still the other thing that I'm still thinking about is enhancing my ancient MacPro [TS]

00:48:58   and various ways that it's able to be enhanced and pricing those out. [TS]

00:49:02   Yeah but I don't know that that kind of feels like putting a brand new transmission into a ten year old car. [TS]

00:49:06   It is a bit like that's wait to see or should I get a new car should I continue to sit up this one. [TS]

00:49:12   Let's talk about some of the compromise here one of them that I was surprised about that things like I am a surprise [TS]

00:49:17   about as well as the RAM on the video cards. But that you see it disabled when you're under oath ten. Yeah. I read. [TS]

00:49:26   There were actually some interesting comments on the article. I don't know anything about pro G.P.U. Stuff.. [TS]

00:49:31   But the comments basically indicated. One of us you know quite a lot and he was saying how E.C.C. [TS]

00:49:37   Unlike when it's when it's supported in the main memory chips. E.C.C. [TS]

00:49:41   On on workstation video cards actually is a software implementation of it basically it's not it's not like a hardware [TS]

00:49:47   difference. [TS]

00:49:47   And it basically just uses the ram a little bit like a RAID five array which is like there's like a parity area [TS]

00:49:55   and then a regular area so you lose some of the space in the memory and exchange for getting the benefit [TS]

00:49:59   and so it's kind it's all done software and. You know it. [TS]

00:50:04   It apparently is not universally praised because the last of the RAM is is a factor. I think that would should. [TS]

00:50:13   But still be an issue because again with the E.C. [TS]

00:50:16   He ran another reason like the mac pros is a comedy he ran it's like well who cares about that well as the amount of [TS]

00:50:21   RAM that you get that you have installed increases. [TS]

00:50:23   It becomes a factor it's kind of like you know bit rot maybe it's not that big a deal [TS]

00:50:27   when you have a two megabyte hard disk but once you have a three terabyte hard disk. [TS]

00:50:30   That same percentage of that rot assuming it's at the same and not you know. Worse. It's it's it's an issue. [TS]

00:50:36   So you know when you have five twelve megabytes one gig of the Ram who cares [TS]

00:50:41   when you have twelve gigs of beer I mean like well for the same reason I would like to have E.C.C. [TS]

00:50:45   On my main RAM when I like also have it on my V. [TS]

00:50:47   RAM but if it's a software only thing and as other compromise I can understand why Apple disabled it. [TS]

00:50:53   So that that's low disappointing is I think the most disappointing thing is that the for U.S.B. [TS]

00:50:57   Three ports are all connected up to a single P.C.I. Express two point zero lane. [TS]

00:51:01   So you have five hundred megabytes a second. For all four of those ports combined. Which is not great for the P.C.I. [TS]

00:51:08   Express let I thought was one of the most interesting parts about this because I had heard a while ago back [TS]

00:51:13   when an ounce of thing somebody told me that they had heard from somebody and somebody and somebody that. [TS]

00:51:18   That the reason why. There was only one S.S.D. [TS]

00:51:22   In there because they have this deem ounce of the back of one of the graphics cards [TS]

00:51:25   and so the obvious question is well. [TS]

00:51:27   Can't they just put a second slot on the other graphics card [TS]

00:51:29   and give you two S D's inside which give you a lot more capacity potential. [TS]

00:51:32   And the reason that I was told back then was that they're out of P.C.I. Express lanes. [TS]

00:51:38   And that's why this homely one as the that they're using all the P.C.I. Express lanes. Possible by that C.P.U. [TS]

00:51:43   and Chipset for other purposes. And looking at this diagram of that looks correct there but the who the S.S. [TS]

00:51:50   The has four lanes and so it's two gigabytes per second [TS]

00:51:53   and it seems like the current system is a using are maybe pushing about a gigabyte a second. [TS]

00:51:58   Maybe two gigs is gives it headroom for faster flash. Going forward right. But. In reason the US be. [TS]

00:52:06   Thing is a problem especially a lot of the notion is before this reviewer like well if you get a macro I know [TS]

00:52:12   Thunderball Harbor is very expensive or members got U.S.B. Three and U.S.B. Three is a great way to get cheap storage. [TS]

00:52:17   So just hang all your storage offered U.S.B. Ports. [TS]

00:52:19   You know I can do that you get one fast as the you've saturated all your entire U.S.B. Three of us. [TS]

00:52:25   I guess it's just one and. [TS]

00:52:27   They're out of lanes where all the going to pull lanes from if they pulled like one lane from the internalizes the [TS]

00:52:31   and brought down the one point five then gave you like. [TS]

00:52:34   And what's taking up most of the lanes the honkin video cards each have sixteen lanes I think I don't have the diagrams [TS]

00:52:40   done in front of me so yeah and. And why you. You know it's interesting also how they're sort of multiplexing the P.C.I. [TS]

00:52:48   Express. Where they have like well it's P.C.I. Express three point zero to the C.P.U. [TS]

00:52:53   but It's two point zero zero to the devices and is a multiplexer so that even looks like you don't have enough [TS]

00:52:57   and with the support of both the multiplexing down more than one connection into a fewer number. [TS]

00:53:01   The sphere number of connection is three point zero So that's how you're able to do it. [TS]

00:53:04   Lots of weird stuff going on again because U.S.B. [TS]

00:53:07   Three is not in the chipset for the server chips because their generation behind. [TS]

00:53:10   Thought the word stuff going on inside that box or that's on there. Well and I think the reason why they're the P.C.I.. [TS]

00:53:16   Express diagram tells you everything needs no. It tells you that this machine is made for Open C.L. [TS]

00:53:22   That's what this is it's made for extremely high bandwidth. Between the C.P.U. and The two G.P. Use. [TS]

00:53:29   And everything else is at zero and I should point and thunderbolt. [TS]

00:53:33   The They're pretty generous with honorable band with. And everything else is secondary So they're telling us be three. [TS]

00:53:41   Is a legacy concern. Basically it's like US beef. All of us beep three ports together. [TS]

00:53:47   Share the same out of band with as the wife I chip. [TS]

00:53:50   Yeah that's what I hear about what I mean but the thing is they have to do that for you know if you want to. [TS]

00:53:55   If they have gig either net and for those have you know. [TS]

00:53:58   One lane each for that because they have dual interfaces that make sense and I have of the Y. [TS]

00:54:03   Five his wife I as well as getting up to meet in a standard than ideal conditions these days minds overhead ASBOs. [TS]

00:54:08   And you know. They threw a whole bunch of the S.S. [TS]

00:54:10   The assuming like storage is always going to matter and someday maybe we may have an S.S. The they can. [TS]

00:54:14   They can saturate to get the second. And then whatever the home have left. Hang for U.S.B. Ports off. That. [TS]

00:54:21   Well and I think it's. I think it's a safe assumption that most people's U.S.B. Devices. All taken together. [TS]

00:54:28   Don't really push five hundred megabytes a second most time usually are talking about extra no platter hard drive. [TS]

00:54:34   And various various others much lower devices things like. You know keyboards mice card reader stuff like that but the. [TS]

00:54:40   The fast Bam with you things over U.S.B. [TS]

00:54:42   Are usually just platter hard drive if you're not going anywhere near that speed. [TS]

00:54:46   So I wouldn't be that concerned about that you have a U.S.B. Three or a it or like and. [TS]

00:54:52   I would imagine things that it has had to do is be like the quick throw away things a little bus powered S.S.D. [TS]

00:54:57   That's conceivable and you could. [TS]

00:54:58   Saturate that with a with a high quality best artist as they will [TS]

00:55:01   but you know they want you to use fundable for that though. [TS]

00:55:03   The thing about the thunderbolt market is even in the pro market I guess they have those Pegasus raid things [TS]

00:55:09   and stuff but I would be more expecting to see them like. [TS]

00:55:13   I don't know where they are people buying thunderbolt storage doesn't seem like at the burgeoning market with honorable [TS]

00:55:18   peripherals even in the pro space. Well but until today. The center but was not even available on the macro. [TS]

00:55:25   So like all of the. [TS]

00:55:26   All of thunder bolts best potential customers all these people with high end computing needs that use Macs were all [TS]

00:55:32   using computers. That didn't even have been able. So I think it. [TS]

00:55:36   Even though you've had dinner will ports on every other mac for a while. [TS]

00:55:39   I don't think we can really judge thunderbolts of thunderbolts. You know maturity or widespread nest yet. [TS]

00:55:45   Because it just came in the macro and even on the thunderbolt front [TS]

00:55:49   but that's the part is doing the multiplexing where they've got these thunderbolt two things connected to what seems [TS]

00:55:55   like an inadequate number of pipes back to the C.P.U. but Actually did that it would because the C.P.U. [TS]

00:56:00   Talks of that bridge through P.C.I. [TS]

00:56:01   Express three point zero and then the thunderbolt to his reach on a two point zero buses [TS]

00:56:05   and they have this multiplexer chip in the middle it's. [TS]

00:56:07   It's a pretty but I looked at all this stuff [TS]

00:56:09   and figured that's all the extra crap they had to add in there like it's not just a stock Intel server motherboard [TS]

00:56:14   cleverly arrange what they had to add these extra multiplexes for the thunderbolt crap and the U.S.B. [TS]

00:56:18   Chip and all that of the stuff. It's a pretty amazing packaging job inside that cylinder. [TS]

00:56:23   Because there's a lot of lot of extra stuff in there it's not like. [TS]

00:56:27   So I could Game Cube of the board everything is so neat and tidy and you've got your you know C.B. Your G.B.U. [TS]

00:56:31   and RAM and it just this beautiful little square. [TS]

00:56:33   Now this stuff all over the place and connected with ribbon cables and circle shaped boards and. [TS]

00:56:38   It's it's a very it is very G four cube like people made that comparison before but now having seen the guts [TS]

00:56:43   and everything and how it's put together that's pretty apt. [TS]

00:56:47   Yeah you know I will say that the thing that fascinated me the most about who the hell are you. I just woke up. [TS]

00:56:55   The thing that fascinated me the most of the how the. The an Antec review was the talk about the. [TS]

00:57:01   The multiplexers and and all and all the stuff they had to do to get all these P.C.I. [TS]

00:57:06   Express Lane squared away it was it was really fascinating [TS]

00:57:08   and if you've even if you're like me don't really care that much about the MacPro. [TS]

00:57:12   I would encourage you to read at least that part of the review. It is really really really interesting. [TS]

00:57:17   When you know [TS]

00:57:17   and what they're you know you could tell by this by this layout what they are imposing here is high speed.. [TS]

00:57:23   Modern and future throughput. You know you have thunderbolt being connected directly to the C.P.U. [TS]

00:57:29   So you know as as an end point it out [TS]

00:57:31   and they reveal it that's pretty amazing that you have like this extra nl cable interface. [TS]

00:57:35   Six ports in the back the basically plug directly to the C.P.U. That's pretty awesome. And so you have. [TS]

00:57:40   You have that crazy interface. Plus you have these workstation class G.P. Use being able to run Open C.L. Stuff. [TS]

00:57:48   Over these incredibly fast buses because one of the one of the big challenges with general purpose computing on G.P. [TS]

00:57:55   Use is just getting the data back and forth in a way that doesn't make the whole thing. Take less. Take more time.. [TS]

00:58:00   Like if you can to do something quick in the C.P.U. [TS]

00:58:03   That's going to be faster than shifting over the graphics card doing something they are shifting it back. [TS]

00:58:08   So in order to make graphics card computing. Better and more useful in practice. [TS]

00:58:13   You have to keep making those transfer pipes bigger and faster and. [TS]

00:58:17   Clearly this machine is made specifically [TS]

00:58:20   and primarily for that which is something none of us are going to use for what he thought the three of us none of us [TS]

00:58:26   are really going to use that makes perfect sense in light of the demo they gave me a receipt for the macro with a [TS]

00:58:32   lunchtime session. Did I don't love you the Rani you want good. [TS]

00:58:35   Yeah but it's a it's a veil of the day [TS]

00:58:37   but I was what I believe we sat with you know a lot of not on Earth there are a lot of maintenance meaning there's a [TS]

00:58:42   look and I like so I check your nerves to make sure they're yours. But yes I was there was someone demonstrating. [TS]

00:58:50   You know doing painting on a three D. [TS]

00:58:51   Model some from Pixar doing some stuff for Monsters University [TS]

00:58:54   and you can download from the apples developer site I think I don't not sure. But anyway. [TS]

00:58:58   What they were showing there [TS]

00:59:00   and they had to take pains to point out it was all it just looks like you're drawing on a three D. Model. Big deal. [TS]

00:59:05   But they're drawing with like humongous textures using all twelve gigs of Ihram things that are just you know not [TS]

00:59:12   possible on a regular computer just because of the sheer volume of data. [TS]

00:59:17   You know we were not just doing like oh this just needs to be good enough quality to display. [TS]

00:59:22   You know and a video game or something this is art work that's going to be rendered and hire as you know. Four K. [TS]

00:59:28   or Whatever for a movie purposes. [TS]

00:59:31   And the assets the GO INTO IT ALONE are just gigantic And so it's amazing that he can do it all right. [TS]

00:59:36   But that's not what most people are doing with evil and I'm dealing with a huge volume of data. [TS]

00:59:40   But that's what the machine is designed to be a small little cylinder thing that amazing kind of like the old S.G.I. [TS]

00:59:44   Like the octane machines of ever read this little tiny thing that can do these amazing things with a huge volume of [TS]

00:59:50   data the other machines can't do. [TS]

00:59:53   So for that purposes [TS]

00:59:54   and for you know if you work at Pixar seems like this is a great machine for that purpose compared to what you would [TS]

00:59:59   have had to buy before to do the same thing. Yeah I don't know I mean. After I read it. [TS]

01:00:04   I was a little little sour on the idea of keeping my order and not canceling it. I thought about canceling my order. [TS]

01:00:13   Because it just it looks from from all accounts it looks like this is a machine with power. That I'm paying for that. [TS]

01:00:22   I'm probably not going to use and. I keep thinking. You know what if one of the things I frequently do is convert. [TS]

01:00:32   Videos that were Go. To watch somewhere or. RIP Louris we can watch it on the empathy with other stupid menus and all. [TS]

01:00:38   You know stuff like that and or like I'll have like a giant folder of images that we shot that I want to convert [TS]

01:00:45   and I'll run image magic from the command line in parallel. [TS]

01:00:49   You know mashing out of the Course to do that and I think what you what if image magic. What if their Open C.L. [TS]

01:00:56   Support improves and it starts becoming like five or ten times faster on this computer. I would love that. [TS]

01:01:02   What if logic. Starts using Open C.L. For something that would save me tons of time and editing the show. [TS]

01:01:08   What if Lightroom you know improves. It's Open C.L. Support and imports don't take us long Convergence a D.M.D. [TS]

01:01:16   Don't take as long or this stuff that I do fairly frequently. That is highly paralyzed. You know I'm not going to see. [TS]

01:01:24   Savings every day that are going to be noticeable. But I'm going to see you know. Maybe once or twice a week. [TS]

01:01:30   But generally big savings by having lots of parallel C.P.U. Power. But the G.P.U. Side. [TS]

01:01:36   Is still a big question mark and I think mostly still like half done or not done by most big software packages [TS]

01:01:42   and I wonder is that going to change in the lifetime of this machine or. [TS]

01:01:47   You know maybe maybe we'll be looking at buying a macro it's on the G.P.U. Power. In three to five years. [TS]

01:01:53   When tons of stuff takes advantage of that maybe that would be a better idea than buying one now. [TS]

01:01:57   Well you need to buy a one now just replace your current MacPro. Because what you're thinking of this way. [TS]

01:02:01   Like you should think of it is what you're doing is you're getting a smaller quieter version of what you already have [TS]

01:02:06   that also happens to be faster. [TS]

01:02:08   Like that is another thing that pushing me towards finding a way to buy this thing is it will be better than my current [TS]

01:02:15   mac. Yes. [TS]

01:02:16   And it won't just be better in ways like performance wise [TS]

01:02:18   and spec was a number was a little bit better in you know the touchy feely ways of being nicer to look at taking up [TS]

01:02:24   less room making less noise using less power producing less heat. Maybe. Yes company producing less heat. [TS]

01:02:31   It's all those advantages are there maybe you don't need to get to the seven hundred. [TS]

01:02:35   You can get away with a lot of steep you but you're just you know. [TS]

01:02:38   Plus you have to buy the expensive things that we can afford it's your job. You should not cancel your order. [TS]

01:02:44   I guess somebody has to say I mean one thing I thought about is like is because I ordered the eight core. [TS]

01:02:50   With the does seven hundred. Because the eight core is of is really great and. [TS]

01:02:54   One thing I thought about was what if I just downgrade to the stock. Six core config. Plus the big. [TS]

01:03:01   Plus a terabyte basically. But once you. Once you add the terabyte. And the RAM that I want thirty two kids are ram. [TS]

01:03:09   Once you add those. It's not you know. It's all price relativism Yeah it's like. [TS]

01:03:14   It's like fifteen hundred Our difference. [TS]

01:03:16   Which is a lot of money [TS]

01:03:17   but it's like well if I'm going to spend forty five hundred mobile spend six you know like I want this computer to last [TS]

01:03:25   and if you look one of the great things about the N.M. [TS]

01:03:28   Tech article is that it shows you how much value macros hold over time. Because the ceiling of performance. [TS]

01:03:37   Really does not move very quickly. [TS]

01:03:40   And the rest of the mac lineup is actually hitting a similar wall she talks about which is the thing about how single [TS]

01:03:47   threaded C.P.U. [TS]

01:03:48   Gains have really hit a wall and are really slowing down dramatically across the industry in desktop [TS]

01:03:54   and mobile they still have a while to go. But in the desktop. We have like maxed out. Single threaded potential. [TS]

01:04:03   And the only ways we can really really sickly make gains are by shrinking the process down [TS]

01:04:08   and making a few little you know. [TS]

01:04:11   Instruction efficiency gains here and there but it's the games are coming very slowly [TS]

01:04:15   and single quarter performance so what Intel did and whatever else is doing is. [TS]

01:04:20   Let's just throw more course in the die we can make the process small enough that we can make that work. [TS]

01:04:25   So if you're a whole bunch more course in the die. So now we have these. Now we now you can get a quad core laptop. [TS]

01:04:31   That's crazy like. Imagine that imagine telling somebody that ten years ago. That would have sounded nuts. [TS]

01:04:39   But that's normal Now if you can get a four core. Laptop that's that's crazy. And. So on the desktop. [TS]

01:04:46   You're basically doing. Your basically just mashing out power like how much. [TS]

01:04:52   How much he can dissipate in this enclosure. That's basically it. [TS]

01:04:55   And so you have these these hundred thirty watt chips. And that's your limit there. [TS]

01:05:00   So you're limited basically just by. Well you've maxed out single threaded performance. [TS]

01:05:05   You've put as many cores on there as you can. While still staying on the power and follow up. [TS]

01:05:09   So now you're going to basically wait for minor improvements to efficiency and instruction. Level stuff. [TS]

01:05:16   And process shrinks to be able to cram more on there or make it run faster and. [TS]

01:05:22   So the error of having these giant jumps is gone so the C.P.U. I haven't mine was released in twenty ten. [TS]

01:05:29   And the new one I get for nearly seven thousand dollars. C.P.U. I was only going to be about fifty percent faster. [TS]

01:05:39   One hundred percent faster. [TS]

01:05:40   Roughly in multi-threaded but singlehood only about fifty percent faster. [TS]

01:05:43   and that's like I kind of expected more for a twenty ten C.P.U. Go into a twenty thirteen C.P.U. [TS]

01:05:50   Well I think that what you would feel more as the storage speed I don't know it's be addressing the as whatever that [TS]

01:05:54   these are the same do seem reasonably fast [TS]

01:05:56   and that would probably get you more a day to day experience Apple to its credit as that point that it is trying to [TS]

01:06:03   walk the walk with its software. [TS]

01:06:05   Heavily optimizing final coverage of the application to keep showing in their own advertising for like a bio macro [TS]

01:06:10   guess I'll cut you know what the four K. Video support. They're trying to use all the G.P.U. [TS]

01:06:15   With Final Cut they are using the C.P.U. and The G.P.U. Is not just a G.P.S. [TS]

01:06:18   Not it's that they're trying to use all the harbor that they've built. So if this. [TS]

01:06:22   If you're not talk about my are some places a piece of software that Apple makes this trying to to be tailored for the [TS]

01:06:27   macro it seems like Final Cut is the flagship there but other software less so [TS]

01:06:32   but if in the case of other software it's like well. At least you won't have any you know it's got fast memory. [TS]

01:06:38   Got a lot of it. Your. You won't be. [TS]

01:06:40   Processes will be waiting on a core of your by one of the miles with the boss of course in hybrid writing [TS]

01:06:44   and everything it's still it was still feel to difficulties now here and in a smaller package like make less noise [TS]

01:06:50   and everything like that and the G.P.U. Is not bad. [TS]

01:06:53   In terms of like what it does the normal you know what he wanted G.B. [TS]

01:06:57   For what do I already have just gaming or boring stuff like that it's. It's fine. [TS]

01:07:01   It does pretty well like it's up there with the big boys G.P. Use is how the top of the stack of the big boys G.P. Use. [TS]

01:07:07   But it's OK. But for the price of a macro you could buy a like. Seven high end P.C.'s but the same video card and them. [TS]

01:07:17   And that's kind of. That's kind of depressing. But what I keep telling you to do. [TS]

01:07:21   Well I don't want to I don't want to P.C. and We don't need seven you can just buy one. [TS]

01:07:24   Well suppose you think is the like. Looking at in terms of G.P.U. [TS]

01:07:28   Performance or gaming it's great that it has a crossfire and windows and stuff like that but it. [TS]

01:07:33   What I'm comparing it to upgrading my thing or not the parents and I think it's like this the still. [TS]

01:07:39   The seven hundred still stomp all over the I'm like you know. So that's just. [TS]

01:07:45   I keep looking and I'm at pricing it out it ends up being like we did it before like three grand [TS]

01:07:49   and not really great for my purposes. So I keep just looking it. Can I hold out another year. [TS]

01:07:55   Can I put stuff on that protocol that another year [TS]

01:07:57   and I want to expect another year the new C.P.U.'s might not even be able to maybe they'll be able to read the G.P. [TS]

01:08:01   Use because then they'll have you know it's like the G.P.U. Rev fine just swapping the new G.P.S. [TS]

01:08:06   Should be that big a deal maybe lower the price a little bit because he'd do use aren't updated [TS]

01:08:09   and you kind of offering the same machines or maybe you can bring the price down. I don't know. [TS]

01:08:13   I don't know what I'm going for I haven't I haven't decided yet but that like half of me look the G.P.U. [TS]

01:08:19   Benchmarks and goes like if your current mac with on there wouldn't show up in the diagram. [TS]

01:08:23   Would be like one pixel where the one pixel wide line. Or did not finish like isn't that why do I care that. [TS]

01:08:29   OK so it's not as fast as the very fast is G.P.U. Combine any computer ever. Right now. But it's in the ballpark right. [TS]

01:08:37   And then never ask me it's like when I just get as many people suggested a high end G.P.U. [TS]

01:08:42   and Jam it into my current MacPro civets of what you should care about it we should all care about ignoring the gaming [TS]

01:08:49   stuff is what is the retina a situation like on That. [TS]

01:08:53   Problem we already discussed how it can drive the big quad twenty seven inch display as it doesn't exist. Because of. [TS]

01:08:59   What he called the sport limitations and stuff. And we don't even know that it can't do that with the. [TS]

01:09:04   There isn't a display out there of that resolution to test with right and maybe you could do a link or whatever. [TS]

01:09:09   But the question was all right so say you buy one of these four K. [TS]

01:09:12   Displays that Apple offers you from Sharper whatever. Can you run it in retina mode. And the answer seems to be. [TS]

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01:11:59   So retina. Yeah not so much. Moving on. This is a part of has me a little bit worried. So. So what and found was. [TS]

01:12:12   At the monitor that comes with the. [TS]

01:12:14   Yet works fine but it's for the same reason that I didn't order one and I think you probably wouldn't either. [TS]

01:12:19   That for K. At thirty two inches. Is Too many pixels for its size. To be useful at one X.. [TS]

01:12:28   but Not really enough to be useful to X. It's. It's basically useful for four K. [TS]

01:12:35   Video editors to see an output of their four K. Video. [TS]

01:12:38   But as a general purpose display this clearly is not a great solution. [TS]

01:12:43   And what's interesting So Dell recently released. [TS]

01:12:46   There's a few the companies that do this but [TS]

01:12:47   but the most popular ones for a while are going to be these ones from Dell that it's like the you P. [TS]

01:12:54   Twenty four Q something. They have the worst product names. It's Dell's twenty four inch. Four K. [TS]

01:13:00   Display and it's only twelve hundred bucks. So it's. We talked about it before my going to into it. [TS]

01:13:07   But that apparently he got one of those from Dell for the review and he plugged it into the mac pro [TS]

01:13:12   and it was just garbled and didn't work right. And so it appears as though. [TS]

01:13:16   You know this all the standard that we talked about two to like multiplex two signals into either one cable [TS]

01:13:23   or into two cables that go into one monitor and have the O.S.C. [TS]

01:13:27   Industry different monitors and then merge it in software so it behaves properly to overcome various limitations [TS]

01:13:32   and stuff like that to be able to get these super higher resolutions on one monitor and. It sounds like Apple. [TS]

01:13:39   Kind of made special support for the sharp one to work they're selling and didn't make any support for this Dell one. [TS]

01:13:46   And that. That's worrying because that means. Well. [TS]

01:13:51   It's worrying in that this is not going to be a question you can't just buy any for him monitor [TS]

01:13:57   and plug it in expected to work right. So that's a problem right there that all service also rules out. [TS]

01:14:02   These particular monitors which if you wanted. [TS]

01:14:05   Dual twenty four hours or a single twenty four instead of a big twenty seven or thirty. [TS]

01:14:10   You could have written the today if this monitor worked. But it doesn't. So you can't and. [TS]

01:14:16   There's no saying whether it will. In the future.. [TS]

01:14:18   So you say that even on the sharp one you couldn't put it in the high D.P. IMO Though it. Two X. [TS]

01:14:23   And I think he said he hacked it but it would only do. [TS]

01:14:27   Like one to one Heidi P.-I node so it was like like exact So it was one hundred twenty by by ten eighty. [TS]

01:14:33   So they wouldn't. Or whatever it is so it wouldn't. I thought what he said that it wouldn't even do that one. [TS]

01:14:38   They wouldn't do that mode. No it did that but everything was too big of course and. [TS]

01:14:44   The problem was he couldn't get any of the scaling modes to work the ones where it likes. [TS]

01:14:48   Where it renders it higher than scale to the native pixels the way the macro does. [TS]

01:14:51   He couldn't get any of those working. So yes so basically for Britain to use the current sharp There are two inches. [TS]

01:14:58   Is not what really anybody's looking for. And the Dell which is what a lot of people are looking for doesn't work. [TS]

01:15:04   And it might never work it might work next week who knows we don't know the other could be driver issues to sort that. [TS]

01:15:10   out so I don't think it's hopeless on this front but like what do you think the support these four K. [TS]

01:15:14   Displays through a single cable is a multi stream supported which was it seems like it was originally designed so you [TS]

01:15:20   can daisy chain monitors together so you'd have a thunderbolt like go into one monitor [TS]

01:15:23   and then added a modern to a second monitor. [TS]

01:15:26   So you have to send two monitors for the signal down this one thunderbolt despite how it's doing just multi stream [TS]

01:15:31   things they make single Monder that consumes two streams and displays them in the right place [TS]

01:15:35   and that's why you might need some kind of driver support to correctly talk to the monitor using multiple streams I [TS]

01:15:41   know I'm standing within a modest in power we have a both of these images are for you [TS]

01:15:44   and here's how you should arrange them in display them and synchronise [TS]

01:15:46   and all that stuff so it's again to talk about a compromise machine. [TS]

01:15:51   Are the standards out there ready now for for even just existing four K. [TS]

01:15:55   Displays let alone a quad twenty seven size thing the answer is No they're not like display part one point two can. [TS]

01:16:00   handle those those types of resolution. And even a plain old four K. [TS]

01:16:04   It's kind of a hack on top of the multi stream support to get this resolution to a modern monitor dependent so again [TS]

01:16:09   that looks like a compromise machine not sort of. We wait until we can do it all cleanly and elegantly and here it is. [TS]

01:16:16   They didn't. [TS]

01:16:17   And they did it however that whatever they did what they had to do [TS]

01:16:20   but all these areas we were just that close just so close to getting everything the way it's supposed to be more not [TS]

01:16:26   quite there yet. Exactly and. So you know the big question is Will. Will Apple release. [TS]

01:16:34   The display we want anytime soon. First of all and what they do will even be compatible with this macro and. [TS]

01:16:41   We don't really know that yet still think her bio on the. Maybe to some you know. I mean and I did. [TS]

01:16:49   I did I do keep my order because you know looking at this. [TS]

01:16:53   Assuming that nothing comes out that's going to make something really incompatible. [TS]

01:16:58   You know you can look at his and his C.P.U. Charts to see the progress of macros over the years. [TS]

01:17:03   How how slow it really is the side effect of that you know one thing is you should almost never buy two macros in a row. [TS]

01:17:11   Like you should almost always skip generations. But the. [TS]

01:17:16   You by one it lasts a long time and [TS]

01:17:18   when you're ready to sell it's still worth something which is true of all Max usually [TS]

01:17:22   but I'm in particular the macros really hold their value very well and. So I want to buy this computer. [TS]

01:17:29   That's going to last me. At least two years of being top of the line. [TS]

01:17:34   And probably four or five years of usability of of still being a high performance computer. [TS]

01:17:40   Relative to new software for at least four or five years. [TS]

01:17:43   If I still choose to use it for that long which I might not maybe I'd sell. [TS]

01:17:46   Before then but because you know it's a joke I sell everything ha ha. [TS]

01:17:49   And if I choose to use it for a long time I can you know you like John you're using your two thousand and eight macro. [TS]

01:17:56   And it's fine it's going to get things like it's going to go even longer Yeah like A [TS]

01:18:01   but I would say if you're buying if you're buying the machine. Buy it for what it can do for you today. [TS]

01:18:05   Like don't buy it with the expectation that you're going to be doing a five thousand buy something screen is maybe you [TS]

01:18:10   never will [TS]

01:18:11   but if you want a small quiet powerful computer that's faster than any existing macro that drives your existing [TS]

01:18:17   monitors a non-reading resolution. And that you can use for years and years and not feel like you have slow machine. [TS]

01:18:22   This is it. [TS]

01:18:23   But if you're buying it with the expectation then in a short time I'll be able to connect up this amazing new display [TS]

01:18:29   and all these maybe you won't maybe you will be like Don't know but for that purpose like the two thousand [TS]

01:18:33   and eight mac. Pro I don't know what I was thinking in terms of. [TS]

01:18:37   You know what it would do but what it's doing now is them doing it was doing [TS]

01:18:40   and they want to try to say monitor it's running. Similar software with similar features. [TS]

01:18:45   It doesn't do anything amazing you're just keep doing what it always did very well and is amazing. [TS]

01:18:50   Problem free and is very expendable [TS]

01:18:52   and all those good things going for it still may be able to be under my desk here for another year. On this topic. [TS]

01:19:00   We got a good question from a person who gave their name as a gains. And he's here she said. [TS]

01:19:08   Can you talk about why you guys would never use an Imax for work development etc I think it has many advantages to the [TS]

01:19:14   pros and MacBook so. [TS]

01:19:16   This fits right in here with like you know why we buy macros and why we like macros [TS]

01:19:20   and why John refused to buy an IMAX even though it actually surface needs way better and be way shape or time. [TS]

01:19:25   Not that I'm bitter but you know I think. If you have never used a macro. You're fine. [TS]

01:19:32   Keep not using them it's like using a giant monitor. Well when to use one. You're ruined. [TS]

01:19:37   And you will keep wanting to buy those big expensive things but you know and IMAX or a laptop. They're fine. [TS]

01:19:43   If I had to use those things. I would use those things. [TS]

01:19:48   The macro is just better in a few in a few pretty key ways for what I do. [TS]

01:19:53   And you know people always say Oh do do I need X. or Y. For development. Most developed meant. [TS]

01:20:00   Especially if you're doing web development. [TS]

01:20:03   You're just typing into a text editor yet there's very few like I.D.E.'s that are really going to stress the computer [TS]

01:20:08   for any modern hardware. [TS]

01:20:10   If you're doing web development you can do it on pretty much anything you can do it on eleven inch MacBook Air if you [TS]

01:20:15   want to it you can do it on anything it doesn't matter. Screen space is always nice to have. But performance wise. [TS]

01:20:21   It doesn't matter we're using for weapon violent for i OS development. You can. You can do it and everything else. You. [TS]

01:20:29   Again you need a lot of screen space. Especially for i Pad development and. And for Iowa stuff. [TS]

01:20:35   Xcode is a bit of a hog so if there's a lot of smart things that it will do I don't know if this applies to the other [TS]

01:20:41   big I do use the market like Eclipse or all the windows crap I don't know. I don't know that applies to that stuff but. [TS]

01:20:46   But I.D.E.'s can be very heavy and slow. Also just the compilation process is not. [TS]

01:20:53   Quick if you have a major project reviews and big libraries in and so you can start doing performance bottlenecks. [TS]

01:20:59   When doing I.I.S. Development but even then if you do with an eye on a modern math book pro or a mac you're fine. [TS]

01:21:06   You're not going to see massive gains. [TS]

01:21:08   In most cases for most projects by going to a macro I think using it to die us [TS]

01:21:14   or MAC development very easily if you if you get a mac mini with an S.S.D. and Stuff it full ram. [TS]

01:21:19   I guess it's going to be the fastest now it's not going to the fastest you're going to wait a little longer [TS]

01:21:23   but if you don't have another mac to compare it to you don't know how long a compile would take on a macro you just. [TS]

01:21:27   It's like it's fine as is the lots of RAM big screen [TS]

01:21:30   and you can get away with an AK many I know plenty of buy with developers who made. [TS]

01:21:34   Amazing great apps in the first mac was that many and that's why they did all the development on. [TS]

01:21:39   Once you get a faster mac then you realize OK I can go back to I can go back to developing on that mag many. [TS]

01:21:44   But you can get it done that's that's the amazing thing about development is the bottom of the bottom of the line Mac.. [TS]

01:21:49   Can physically speaking do development where they used to be like you needed to have the super high. [TS]

01:21:53   You know Lisa to develop for the Macas you need more RAM and you know. [TS]

01:21:56   So it's like [TS]

01:21:58   when I say can you do development in IMAX Of course you can of course you can do development back in fact most people [TS]

01:22:03   probably should do development on that because you don't need a macro for that you definitely on the macro to compile. [TS]

01:22:09   stuff can the compiler is not using your G.P.U. Yet not yet anyway. Also consider that in the new versions of X. [TS]

01:22:16   Code What is the. [TS]

01:22:18   I forget what they call it [TS]

01:22:19   but they basically have this system by which you can compile regularly on a completely different computer which I [TS]

01:22:25   believe. [TS]

01:22:26   It was basically that they never came out said it was basically designed for Mack many do you know you guys know what [TS]

01:22:30   I'm thinking of you know they get continuous integration thing it's the Jenkins report on Jenkins Yeah you know yeah [TS]

01:22:37   yeah that's not just you're talking about distributed builds which they used to have yes distributed builds I'm sorry I [TS]

01:22:43   don't know if they still do have [TS]

01:22:44   and then there's ways to farm out if you're you know that's one of the reasons why a lot of the mac development shops [TS]

01:22:50   can get away with giving the developers less powerful comparison you have a bunch of spare hardware [TS]

01:22:54   and you can set it up as a continuous continuous integration farm and have a doing your bills [TS]

01:22:58   and everything like that basically bands this guys question. [TS]

01:23:02   The IMAX can do everything they can do everything you would want to do [TS]

01:23:06   and in many cases they can do it extremely well the only thing. [TS]

01:23:09   The only few things that you would suffer for having an Aquarius. If you're game or you will suffer because the G.P.U. [TS]

01:23:15   Is not. If you care about super duper fast. That's three D. Games and full resin blah blah. [TS]

01:23:21   You're not going to get that of an IMAX P.C. At that point. Yeah. Well or a game console or whatever. [TS]

01:23:27   And if you're doing something that requires this big massive G.P. [TS]

01:23:30   Use for non-gaming purposes like you're doing MY or Final Cut four K. [TS]

01:23:34   Video or any other applications it takes advantage of all the G.P.U. Power. [TS]

01:23:39   That's when you need a MacPro but I'm actually pews are faster and single threaded and that pros for the most part. [TS]

01:23:45   If you buy the super high end one so that's like IMAX A really are amazing machines and.. [TS]

01:23:49   Just because I don't want to get one because I don't want to have a when the G.P.U. [TS]

01:23:53   That's like the edgiest of edge cases like the I'm like is a great desktop machine for anybody. [TS]

01:24:00   And it's getting better all the time now the you know one thing goes completely as they like the fusion drive seems to [TS]

01:24:06   be great but I did see some reports in the web about it having trouble with audio recording which gave me some pause [TS]

01:24:12   but anyway in a couple of years. [TS]

01:24:14   The spinning this will be gone from the i Macin to probably be even thinner just be amazing fantasy. [TS]

01:24:19   Future computer type thing. Everyone. [TS]

01:24:21   That's the machine that everyone should look at when you go into the Apple Store don't look at the macros. [TS]

01:24:25   They're way too expensive. Look at the I Mexico and US top machine. [TS]

01:24:29   That said there's a few so I want to I wrote in some post this week couple days ago I forget which one that. [TS]

01:24:36   That I have that in our household we've had. And i Mac. [TS]

01:24:39   We've had multiple laptops and we've had a few macros over the over the years. [TS]

01:24:44   And I've regretted buying almost all of them except the macro. The my private have are granted a macro purchase and. [TS]

01:24:54   One of the reasons is how these things. Age. [TS]

01:24:56   And what happens at the end of their life and how soon that the end of their useful life. [TS]

01:25:01   Comes the laptops and the i Macs are at the MAC many [TS]

01:25:07   but we have all I did have one of those I sold it after a year at them Benjamin. [TS]

01:25:10   Because I tried to have like this cause a computer to do accessories tasks and turns out that sucks. [TS]

01:25:16   And it's really a pan pin the but so I didn't do it anymore but when it's very clear when using these computers. [TS]

01:25:25   That these are consumer grade parts. And that they're you know if they're made to be used by one household. [TS]

01:25:32   For a few years. And then they're basically worthless and they're made to be discarded donated a recycled. And so it. [TS]

01:25:42   Certain things don't age very well. [TS]

01:25:44   I've had with I'm actually are I might have a couple of screen issues especially about the time it was like three years [TS]

01:25:48   old and had had some some various screen issues that. [TS]

01:25:52   It was out of warranty a rational one out of warranty like part of the screen had like a deadline [TS]

01:25:57   and stuff like that there was a queer stuff. And. [TS]

01:26:01   And there was like this big giant pile of hard drives hanging out the back of it because we couldn't get to the [TS]

01:26:07   internal one easily enough to upgrade it and needed more performance out of the disk I O. [TS]

01:26:12   and The ram was maxed out and we wanted more RAM and we couldn't do it and. [TS]

01:26:18   Whenever it would get under load it with the fan which been up and you'd hear it. So. [TS]

01:26:23   And most that applies to laptops as well. And so some of those needs are removed or minimize now. Disk I O. [TS]

01:26:32   Is a great example. Disguise or used to suck. Now it's great because the cities are everywhere. And so you know. [TS]

01:26:40   There's less of a difference as Estes closed the gap tremendously. [TS]

01:26:43   Between the kind of reforms you can get out of a big desktop [TS]

01:26:46   and what you can get everywhere else especially in laptops. Close the Gap tremendously. [TS]

01:26:50   So that's great but all those limitations are still there. If a screen goes bad in an IMAX or macro. [TS]

01:26:58   You're screwed you hope you better hope some the warranty. [TS]

01:27:03   If you want to change the screen size or upgrade it two years in. You're screwed you can't do it. If you will. [TS]

01:27:11   If you had to buy a computer today. And you want to read in a monitor. [TS]

01:27:16   Well tough luck you know you better buy a read a map a pro but even then like the current Retina MacBook Pro. [TS]

01:27:22   Probably won't be able to drive. [TS]

01:27:24   The panel that we're talking about over thunderbolt two unless it was made for and they didn't never mention it [TS]

01:27:29   but there's a special stuff on the macro navel as I don't think the retina MacPro has that. At least not sixty hertz. [TS]

01:27:36   So if you want to buy a computer today. That will last you. Very happily for the next two to four years. [TS]

01:27:46   The macro is it. The IMAX might. But you're taking a lot of risk there and at the end. [TS]

01:27:52   You can sell a three or four year old MacPro for over a thousand bucks. Easily and. [TS]

01:27:59   The three year old I get maybe you know maybe a few hundred. You know you're not talking a whole lot there. [TS]

01:28:04   And the I met might have more problems that you can't get to means [TS]

01:28:08   and some of that is minimized now from from the reduction of hard drives the like that. [TS]

01:28:13   but there's still a lot of those cases where over time. You might come to regret having chosen the i Mac. If you. [TS]

01:28:22   If you have high end needs. [TS]

01:28:24   Now that's also almost think that the high [TS]

01:28:26   and i Macs are kind of a sucker's bet because they cost the cost so much money like you can. [TS]

01:28:30   You can push an IMAX up towards four grand. Well you can go right past four grand you can.. [TS]

01:28:35   If you if you can figure the i Mac. With the same hardware as the cheapest macro. [TS]

01:28:40   Like or as close as you can get to the same hardware. It's not that different in price it's. [TS]

01:28:44   It's like I think I said on my site somewhere think it's like five hundred bucks difference at that point. [TS]

01:28:48   Now of course you get the free monitor mix in but plan for the my program to do G.P. Use and feel like there's. [TS]

01:28:53   It's end of the higher and Thunderbolt more thunderbolt ports. The dual net reports if you'll ever use that. [TS]

01:29:00   There's a lot more advantages to the macro that partially offset that screen thing. [TS]

01:29:05   And if you have those kind of needs [TS]

01:29:06   and if you find yourself like I was you find yourself in the I'm at configurator cranking everything up. [TS]

01:29:11   Then it's probably time to look another scene I think the sweet spot of the I AM act is kind of in the middle range [TS]

01:29:15   where what you're getting is you're getting a computer that you're going to run I life apps on [TS]

01:29:20   and browse the web you're getting a really nice looking big screen [TS]

01:29:23   and you getting like a sealed little thing that just looks like a monitor with like a wireless keyboard [TS]

01:29:26   and mouse attached. And that's all to ever going to being you're going to use it like that to the day it dies.. [TS]

01:29:30   And that's where I think regular people can easily get for five years and i Mac. [TS]

01:29:35   There's a never going to touch anything else to it. [TS]

01:29:37   Maybe they'll never going to have a need to create any of the ports except maybe some U.S.B. [TS]

01:29:41   Dongles is just going to be this sleek sealed. [TS]

01:29:44   Silver panel with a nice screen on to look at and they do their computer stuff [TS]

01:29:48   and it's got more than enough storage to in there to last them forever you get a fusion drive. [TS]

01:29:53   Three terabyte the never going to fill that it's reasonably priced it seems nice [TS]

01:29:56   and snappy for the three apps they use all the time they're never going to upgrade the never going to care about the [TS]

01:30:00   G.P.U. The never going to touch anything to it that's your good deal. [TS]

01:30:04   Once you start cranking that stuff up and you've got a for ray machine do like to argue that you are more like oh [TS]

01:30:08   but i gotta have more better and. It's not that's not a more better machine because you will go start to get the itch. [TS]

01:30:13   A couple years down the line of wanting to do more and well I've already maxed out there [TS]

01:30:16   and I haven't a more right now I can have written and everyone else has it [TS]

01:30:19   and the people who just have their IMAX sitting on their desk as their little home computer. [TS]

01:30:23   Don't care about those things and for them it's a great machine. Or if you just you know. [TS]

01:30:28   You don't have the kind of mind upgrade. [TS]

01:30:30   Just going to development [TS]

01:30:31   and I think you can get five years out of an American middle range where he'd be perfectly happy with it. [TS]

01:30:36   Yeah I mean it depends on what you're doing and. [TS]

01:30:39   Like I know myself well enough to know that if I bought an IMAX instead of a macro. [TS]

01:30:44   First of all as soon as there's a retina monitor I would. I would feel like an idiot. So if you know. [TS]

01:30:50   For For me the the the value option would be to just wait until it's a retina IMAX and buy that [TS]

01:30:58   but I'm not sure we're getting that this year I don't know I mean if you look at where the technology is where the [TS]

01:31:04   pricing is for these panels and G.P.U. [TS]

01:31:06   Driving them and stuff like that I would necessarily say right now i Macin twenty fourteen is a sure thing. [TS]

01:31:12   I don't think so either. I mean probably twenty fifteen by MAC I bet a lot but we'll have it then. But twenty fourteen. [TS]

01:31:19   I don't know I would I would give it may be maybe a fifty percent chance of happening. [TS]

01:31:24   Can I ask a really stupid question. Why. Why is redness so important. [TS]

01:31:30   And before you answer what I mean by that is what. Now they took me six. You're doing anyway sorry. Moving on. [TS]

01:31:41   So the reason I ask is because the obvious trump card answer is you just want more real estate for developing right now [TS]

01:31:48   apps but what. That's my little it's good looks good to see. [TS]

01:31:52   And that maybe it's just because I have terrible lives [TS]

01:31:54   but at a distance in which I sit from say take my high rez anti-glare pre Retina MacBook Pro. [TS]

01:32:03   I can tell the difference between a retina macro pro-ana not written a macro pro but it is not night [TS]

01:32:09   and day difference and. [TS]

01:32:10   I don't find it to be as agree Jason as frustrating as you do and it doesn't make you wrong [TS]

01:32:15   and it doesn't make me right it's just to me it seems like an odd thing that you're so obsessed over. [TS]

01:32:21   And I don't know if maybe that's a statement rather than a question. It's. It's that good. I mean it's. [TS]

01:32:27   So I work a lot with text which looks awesome on retina. And I work a lot with images. When you see a photo like. [TS]

01:32:36   It's so funny I so I take my laptop and we go on trips of course and. I'll take up take a little camera and up. [TS]

01:32:44   All import the photos all I'm still on the trip to look into light were Missi have to turn out [TS]

01:32:48   and maybe play with them a post one. And I see these photos on my retina screen. [TS]

01:32:53   On the laptop and like wow these photos are amazing. I can't believe how good this is look at how great this looks. [TS]

01:33:00   And then I get home an important my desktop and they just look so drab and disappointing [TS]

01:33:05   and part of it's going to monitor is driving disappointing. [TS]

01:33:07   But part of it's also that massive resolution difference and men make such a difference. Present the web like I'm. [TS]

01:33:14   I was resigning my site this week and just giving it like a new fun a few minor updates and. [TS]

01:33:19   And like looking just looking at text that closely for a while. [TS]

01:33:23   Just text looks like sucks crap on non retina once you see. [TS]

01:33:28   It's just one of the things it really is a very big difference. [TS]

01:33:33   When you're when you're doing certain things and a lot you know just like. If you look at the i Pads. [TS]

01:33:37   You know we talked before about how a lot of people don't see the difference with the retina. [TS]

01:33:41   I Pads versus the old ones or. [TS]

01:33:43   They don't care or they can like they can vaguely Well I guess to text a sharper or something [TS]

01:33:47   but they don't really care for a lot of people it's going to be true. Forever and they won't care. [TS]

01:33:53   I'm one of the people who cares shockingly. And you know I'm sure. I'm sure John is. Similarly observant and picky. [TS]

01:34:01   And so you know. We like i care and if you don't care. [TS]

01:34:06   That's great you're going to save a bunch of money of the next few years by not care. Or by selecting to go. [TS]

01:34:11   No it's not that I don't care it's. [TS]

01:34:13   I think maybe it's just that because I've never used a retina computer for any duration of time more than like ten [TS]

01:34:20   minutes. [TS]

01:34:21   I maybe it's just ignorance and maybe I just don't realize what I'm missing [TS]

01:34:25   and again I can absolutely recognize that that it is better it's not that I don't recognize that it's just I don't know [TS]

01:34:34   it to me it didn't make a big difference. And I think that's because I'm not sitting with this display. [TS]

01:34:41   Between four and twelve inches from my face like I do with my i Pad or my i Phone. [TS]

01:34:48   But I mean if I it whenever I get another computer. It will surely be some sort of retina. [TS]

01:34:53   Mac book pro [TS]

01:34:54   and ask me again after a month what's that maybe I'll tell you the me asking that question was the dumbest thing I've [TS]

01:35:00   ever done but sitting here now not knowing any better. I just don't see why it's that big a deal. [TS]

01:35:05   Here's how I think about it if. If you're into technology. Like I am and I think I we all are high technology. [TS]

01:35:13   Kind of advances in fits and starts and there is little discontinuity isn't if your technology nerd you never run. [TS]

01:35:18   Because on the other side of the discontinuity you want to be using like. [TS]

01:35:22   Whatever the new thing is on the other side of that the next little leap. You want to be there living in the future. [TS]

01:35:27   Right so. Monitor. Resolution size is a. One example where monitors. Were you know. Got color. [TS]

01:35:35   And that was a big discount you know you like oh you have a monochrome display you want to call if you knew color [TS]

01:35:38   displays existed. You clearly knew that a every display was going to be colored pretty soon. Right. [TS]

01:35:44   And so that's like it's going to happen color monitors are coming. [TS]

01:35:47   It's not like this forever there will be black you know and be that you want to have one of those [TS]

01:35:51   and you want you want to be living in the future now if someone's out there has got a color monitor for your enjoying [TS]

01:35:55   color monitor type games and you're still in black and white you feel bad you want to you want to see the new thing. [TS]

01:36:00   And then the miners got bigger and the pixels got smaller and they had this kind of incrementally getting bigger [TS]

01:36:04   and bigger and smaller unflattering bigger of flatness is another thing. [TS]

01:36:07   Flat panels are out if you want to have that gigantic twenty one inch C.R.T. On your desk taking up all that room. [TS]

01:36:13   If black ones exist I was a notice got no you want to be any of the side of that. [TS]

01:36:17   And you want to get there as soon as possible [TS]

01:36:18   when can I change my life from a person who has gigantic C.R.T.'s to person who has no gigantic C.R.T. [TS]

01:36:23   You know that everyone's going to be like that you know C.R.T.'s are going away you want to be in the other side of [TS]

01:36:27   well. [TS]

01:36:28   Retinas the next one of those things of the monitor the flat panel monitors get bigger and better and bigger [TS]

01:36:32   and better. And then all of a sudden this is this continuity. For X. [TS]

01:36:36   The number of pixels this not just like a little bit bigger that's just a total change like a qualitative change in you [TS]

01:36:41   know there are everything's going to be right and I just know it like it's going to happen. Right. [TS]

01:36:45   And you're like oh let me. [TS]

01:36:47   I want to be living in the future there will be else I don't want to wait only the last person to get it to get a color. [TS]

01:36:51   to. The army the last person to get a flat panel T.V. [TS]

01:36:54   I want to be among the first I want to live in the future [TS]

01:36:57   and with this amazing new thing you have to balance that with Layo maybe the first flat panel T.V.'s are bad [TS]

01:37:01   or the first high definition television is still see Artie's or whatever your problem is there. [TS]

01:37:05   But that's the thing that's driving me [TS]

01:37:07   and I you know I want to that's another reason I get a MacPro I want to see what is it like to be on the cutting edge [TS]

01:37:14   of technology to have the fastest best you know most amazing thing. [TS]

01:37:18   But tempering that with like When is the right time to buy when do I want to compromise [TS]

01:37:22   and she doesn't want what I want to until they have it all sorted out. [TS]

01:37:24   You know that's that's a balance I'm going for and like my eyesight is good enough to see the difference in retina. [TS]

01:37:31   I would never go back to not run I was divisive I would be crazy [TS]

01:37:33   and I think a he would agree with that now you can't hold a nun retina phone up to your face in your me like good now [TS]

01:37:39   you can forget it and even i Pad. I would not use a mini when I was in red and I don't like them in any way but yeah. [TS]

01:37:45   But the monitors it's in my suffering. But I now have a run on one. No but if I know that other people are out there. [TS]

01:37:50   It pains me even the people the laptops to get to look at a retina screen all day [TS]

01:37:54   and I don't like that's the way everything is going and I want to be there with them. [TS]

01:37:57   And so that's I think that's the big driving factor it has to do with not whether you can tell the difference in retina. [TS]

01:38:02   Now whether you find it more comfortable or you can appreciate red Never ever. [TS]

01:38:06   I think mostly as a do with being interested in technology [TS]

01:38:10   and wine to sort of like to live in the future with your jetpack. You know. [TS]

01:38:13   And if other people are doing it [TS]

01:38:15   and you're not you feel like you're missing out because having futuristic things is cool [TS]

01:38:18   and exciting is it for two people who like technology. Right and not that genuinely does make sense. I guess. [TS]

01:38:26   I'm trying I'm struggling to find a way to properly explain but to me. It makes sense to want retina. Marco's dying. [TS]

01:38:36   Urgency to get it now now now that. [TS]

01:38:40   I don't share that with the them thing and it doesn't mean I'm right doesn't mean he's wrong. [TS]

01:38:44   I just don't see what did originally need is to have it yesterday. Other than that it's new and shiny. [TS]

01:38:49   Well that there's a hierarchy of things that you need in your life [TS]

01:38:52   and Marcus at the point in the hierarchy where Breton as actually really near the top of the stuff. Well I also. [TS]

01:38:59   You know I because I have the right and I put proof for travel every time I travel [TS]

01:39:04   and then come back I'm like oh I get back to my old monitor it's terrible. [TS]

01:39:08   You're lowering it halfway it's like if you know. If you had a bunch of flat panel displays but also one giant C.R.T. [TS]

01:39:14   Monitor and every time you come back to you just want to be like oh oh this thing again. I mean. [TS]

01:39:20   Granted this is not like you know this is not a severe problem and in life world simply speaking but. [TS]

01:39:24   But you know John's right like. You know we. We've come of course we've come past all these like major changes.. [TS]

01:39:30   You know. In computing and I think. I think S.S. D.S. And Heidi P.R. [TS]

01:39:35   Kind of happening at the same time it has to be as easy a couple years ahead and. And I've crossed the S.S.T. [TS]

01:39:41   Point I've I've chopped down my storage needs. On my desktop so that I can have all S.S.D. [TS]

01:39:47   Storage I don't need to use fusion drive. Which is good because I try to use drive and it was. It was inconsistent. [TS]

01:39:52   And which is a problem. That's probably why it's a problem for audio recording is that. It's insane consistent. [TS]

01:39:59   And so you know Heidi P.R. Is use You're right it's the next big thing and after that like. I'd not seeing any obvious. [TS]

01:40:08   Next big thing that's going to change. [TS]

01:40:10   Computer hardware for a while and then I'm not saying there's never going to be one that would be short sighted but [TS]

01:40:15   but there is an obvious one. Coming up shortly. Memory unification. You think. Well. Yeah sure. [TS]

01:40:22   That's the that's the next obvious move. [TS]

01:40:24   I mean it's not going to be anytime soon but like if you look at the way a modern computer is made [TS]

01:40:28   and used to create your eyes a little bit like this is ridiculous. [TS]

01:40:31   Let's course those diagrams together and they go in that everything's better. I mean the way. [TS]

01:40:36   The way we're doing it now so to be clear you're talking about similar to how the X. Box One was designed the first X. [TS]

01:40:43   Box one. Know nothing nothing about it will be so much of the first acts of the C.P.U. and G.P.U. [TS]

01:40:50   Both shared one giant fast bank of the ram. [TS]

01:40:53   And so there was no separate video RAM [TS]

01:40:55   and main RAM It was just one big bank a fast ram that everything has good access to is that we're talking about game [TS]

01:41:00   console have been like that on the playstation the same with old lunch Advair [TS]

01:41:03   but I'm talking more about like memory unification across. You know disk. Going to go disk and and RAM storage. [TS]

01:41:10   You know some maybe you're right maybe it'll come first as like the stuff of the Playstation [TS]

01:41:13   and all the other game consuls it was like having a single pull of memory. Between the C.P.U. and G.P.U. [TS]

01:41:19   Because that's kind of silly going to but thirty two gigs of RAM in your mac pro [TS]

01:41:22   and then twelve digger hanging off the G.P.U. [TS]

01:41:24   when There are important technical reasons for it now but it would be nice if you had virtualize. [TS]

01:41:30   You know video memory and once. [TS]

01:41:32   Video memories virtualize of them why do you have to separate pools of virtualize memory want to be nice if you could [TS]

01:41:35   combine them and then. God knows what the processes will be and we could have you know we already have integrated G.B. [TS]

01:41:40   Use they keep getting bigger so eventually end up with a situation where you have your computer [TS]

01:41:44   and your big pool of RAM and the next one as you had your computer big pull RAM [TS]

01:41:48   and your storage all unified into a single memory space. [TS]

01:41:52   And that you can make especially especially a process us to continue to shrink. [TS]

01:41:57   You can make some very interesting computing devices where everything is addressable as a sixty four bit. [TS]

01:42:03   Address somewhere and some big virtualize pool of RAM and. That's your disk and that's your V. [TS]

01:42:09   RAM and that's your main memory and that's your everything. That's. [TS]

01:42:13   I would never have assumed that would be a thing that would happen. Just because of the economies it's like. [TS]

01:42:18   Like that's like saying that eventually everything is going to be L to cash. [TS]

01:42:22   You know [TS]

01:42:23   or everything's going to be a register taken to the extreme it's like you know it's never really going to happen to get [TS]

01:42:27   the various economies. Not that will happen. We will we will live to see what I just described. [TS]

01:42:33   I think of it I mean like the past that we've already seen video game consuls that's not fantasy like APCO by [TS]

01:42:39   Playstation four. You have to keep and D.V.R. Five. Quote unquote of Ihram is the entire RAM for the system. [TS]

01:42:44   Like it's one big thing. Right. The hardest one is bridging the disk. [TS]

01:42:48   Ram barrier where the storage thing [TS]

01:42:50   but if we all live long enough that will inevitably happen to because certainly we all agree that spinning disk. [TS]

01:42:56   Are gone goodbye. Right. And so now we have a series of chips with addressable memory using different technologies. [TS]

01:43:02   That's fine you're going to have a higher. Is only going to register as L one L to L three. Flash. You know. DRAM like. [TS]

01:43:09   Whatever the technologies are in the hierarchy. That will be there but like that's I'm talking. [TS]

01:43:14   You know distant future stuff like as well as we're on our deathbeds the unified single chip everything. [TS]

01:43:20   Addressable as ramble. Machine will probably be out. [TS]

01:43:24   And will be complaining and doesn't support some new read this book welding [TS]

01:43:27   and planning if you can get Texas big enough for us to say. And with that thanks a lot to our sponsors this week. [TS]

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01:43:43   They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. With accidental. John. [TS]

01:43:54   Casey would because it was that was a dental was that accidental and you today. [TS]

01:44:13   And he well no sense that that's key list and the old and team article. Are limited. [TS]

01:44:26   Let's say they really key is why that the mayor eating so small can't get thing on these things.. [TS]

01:44:45   That's all we care about is the accessibility features or old hot or you can about the X. [TS]

01:44:50   The accessibility zoom but [TS]

01:44:52   when I don't have my contact lenses in that's the only way I can see a computer from any reasonable distance [TS]

01:44:57   and I'm not trying to be funny at all it's going to wait until you get a little bit older because as you get older you [TS]

01:45:02   hear fish starts to get worse in the other direction and suddenly you can start to see close up a little bit better. [TS]

01:45:08   Well the well the way I'm headed Naam looking at corneal transplant for my future so anything any any time I can buy [TS]

01:45:15   and so like you just get some dead guy's eyeballs was is a is a positive improvement that the ones with lasers. [TS]

01:45:21   I'll get right on I think. But the thing about the options that the person selected it's going to the B.M.W. [TS]

01:45:28   Dealer told weather package display. [TS]

01:45:31   I'm getting that definitely part of the premium package for those you got to get a spoiler in your butt in this. [TS]

01:45:41   You guys are going to make great Old Men I really hope I still know you and talk to you regularly [TS]

01:45:45   when we're all like ancient. Because it's going to be hilarious and by that time. Nobody else will care to listen. [TS]

01:45:52   But it'll be funny. Oh I genuine and I'm not trying to be funny not trying to be snarky I genuinely. [TS]

01:45:57   Cannot wait until MLE because then I can then I have a nice little man thing to save [TS]

01:46:03   and that's what I have all I can have an excuse for going to bed early. I think I have an excuse for eating early. [TS]

01:46:08   I can be the curmudgeon. [TS]

01:46:09   Bastard that I really want to be [TS]

01:46:11   and get away with it instead of just getting yelled at for ruining the fun about the mac pro. [TS]

01:46:15   Oh it's going to be fantastic I can't wait. So what you're saying is you. You look forward to getting old. [TS]

01:46:20   So it justifies all of your existing behavior. Basically yes. Also I plan on buying a nine hundred sixty S. Era Buick. [TS]

01:46:29   And just driving into people that don't use their signals. Because one hundred sixty S. Are you excited. Invincible. [TS]

01:46:35   I mean what could possibly harm an one thousand nine hundred sixty S. [TS]

01:46:38   Buick they weigh eighty five tons of a crumpled up like a house of cards the death traps are going to be some like one [TS]

01:46:45   thousand five hundred pound smart cars going to crush or being towed by moment John. [TS]

01:46:52   You know what actual car crash tests are like there now I know we want to do titles. Oh Wayne Dixon pet cemetery style. [TS]

01:47:01   What did when Dixon do wrong. When Dixon like your chat. Your titles and Justin. Cemetery. Yeah. [TS]

01:47:10   Kyle Cronin it's got it's got to be an ass. [TS]

01:47:13   That clearly don't know what you're talking about the steering can just because it was the movie title itself. [TS]

01:47:20   That custom spelling. Yeah. You've I guess neither one of you has read that book or seen that movie. [TS]

01:47:26   No here's here's a quick quick primer. If Lex Friedman hasn't seen the movie I probably haven't either. [TS]

01:47:32   But this is also a book about maybe better read Stephen King is a well known author you may have heard of. [TS]

01:47:37   He's written some books. People might have read. I have heard of him. OK. I can tell you that that is Mark. You don't. [TS]

01:47:44   But you know read novels do you know I think I don't mean anything anymore I barely have time to read the paper. [TS]

01:47:51   That should be. That'll be our next podcast is just. It's like it. [TS]

01:47:55   Big cultural intervention for Michael primarily [TS]

01:47:58   but I feel like there's probably a big gaps in Casey's life of all there are there absolutely are. [TS]

01:48:03   Well look I spent my entire use digging around with computers so like I didn't you know that's clearly you took some [TS]

01:48:10   breaks. I took fewer breaks I think is what it comes down to. I don't like any of these titles. [TS]

01:48:17   Oh well I had a compromise machine that I would suggest that. [TS]

01:48:21   That's pretty good we could do that you know I can do it a comp. Compromised or compromise. I think. Compromised. [TS]

01:48:29   Oh I was going I would say with the D. I would say without but I've just been overruled. That's fine. [TS]

01:48:33   One of the reasons for without. I'm willing to hear. [TS]

01:48:35   Just because it says the what's its name rather than its state of being. [TS]

01:48:41   It's a machine that produces compromises a compromise machine you turn on it or compromises [TS]

01:48:49   or getting at I think is like that. [TS]

01:48:50   Yeah it is if itself is compromised in some way to us I but that's neither one that covers the MacPro Enos of the. [TS]

01:48:57   Saying and what one of us probably said at some point other than that we have to know him. [TS]

01:49:02   I'm kind of surprised that that you that you picked the compromises that you did to complain about like the U.S.B. [TS]

01:49:09   Three. [TS]

01:49:10   Well the reason that's relevant to me is because I'm trying to save money [TS]

01:49:14   and one way to save money is hey i actually a lot of my enclosures do have U.S.B. [TS]

01:49:18   Three even though I'm probably using the far right hundred phase of this point on a line that U.S.B. [TS]

01:49:23   or My macro doesn't anyway right. [TS]

01:49:24   So one way to save money is how you can reuse all that storage you don't have to buy a three hundred dollars [TS]

01:49:28   thunderbolt box you know hundred bodies fifty dollars Butterball cable just put your stuff. OK it up to U.S.B. [TS]

01:49:33   and It's like kind of screwed up art up. Yeah but you're not really going to be hitting those limits though. [TS]

01:49:38   I have a says the that was a U.S.B. Three interface and it's only going to use like you know. [TS]

01:49:45   I don't know what the in a hundred megs a second two hundred megs second from I don't know but like. [TS]

01:49:50   Then I start how big is that as is the. Hundred gigs where we talk to fifty six. [TS]

01:49:56   How how long do you think you to be using that for in reality. [TS]

01:49:59   I don't know it was really expensive and I thank you things for a long time. [TS]

01:50:02   Yeah I have when I got my first it's the it was it was one of the hundred sixty gig Intel X. [TS]

01:50:07   Twenty five ease or EMS and. [TS]

01:50:10   That was a few hundred dollars when I got I think I was like three or four hundred bucks when I got it for a laptop [TS]

01:50:15   and it's sitting in a drawer now because the hundred sixty gigs and that's useless. [TS]

01:50:19   You can make a fusion drive out of it. [TS]

01:50:21   Well if you can drive was really good and if I had a computer that had people ever also suffuse nervous really good [TS]

01:50:25   and. [TS]

01:50:26   I don't know I even and then says that he got an I'm back with your hero [TS]

01:50:29   and he was amazed at how well it performed over time I mean maybe it's different [TS]

01:50:32   when you get like the officially supported one. [TS]

01:50:34   As opposed to making one yourself I don't know when compared to compared to a hard drive. It's radically better.. [TS]

01:50:41   Compared to a real S.S.D. It is noticeably worse not all that not doing everything. But you. [TS]

01:50:48   You will notice the difference and. If you have the option to go all S.S.D. [TS]

01:50:53   Do it like a lot of people are complaining that when I do the i Mac. Price comparison to the macro. I spec out. [TS]

01:50:59   The terabyte as is D. In both. Because that's what I would buy. And that's what I would recommend people buying. [TS]

01:51:04   And you look at all you have to draw them like those with the same you have I five just as possible C.P. [TS]

01:51:10   Using them act to web but I'm not picking those because they aren't comparable. [TS]

01:51:14   You know what I'm saying comparable I mean comparable. [TS]

01:51:16   I haven't used one either so I can't say but like I have you know. Life. My main drive it has a day or can. [TS]

01:51:22   It's a big day that's that's the thing it's hurting me the most is that for this for me to last another year [TS]

01:51:26   and a snack I really just need to get an S.S.D. [TS]

01:51:27   For it but I have the size probably have a one point five gigs of stuff here [TS]

01:51:31   and I could probably pare that down to tear it. But that's a lot of money to jumping onto by my old one. [TS]

01:51:36   I was something to do once you get him back bro you want to get rid of that thing I'll probably take it off your hands [TS]

01:51:42   if you give me a good price on it and then I can squeeze myself into that in the last and then the G.P.O. I'm thinkin. [TS]

01:51:48   I just want to upgrade it I'll just keep it I'll just not play. You know play P.C. [TS]

01:51:53   Games for a year but I'm thinking of a Play Station four this year. Will be playing. [TS]

01:51:57   Most of my gaming on the console or playing like old games. Still actually run OK. [TS]

01:52:01   You could buy the whole my pro from it has the eighty I video card in it like the high end one that will high end for [TS]

01:52:06   twenty now it's like if it was a fifty eight seventy or something. [TS]

01:52:10   I don't even know I'll try to look it up [TS]

01:52:11   but it was the high one that was available because like a quarter of the speed of the pro ones are about fifty eight [TS]

01:52:19   seventy. Yeah yeah no. Well we'll say it's much easier for you to ship me just the P.C.I. [TS]

01:52:25   Express card than to pay for shipping for the whole macro but you know that will make a bigger difference of course. [TS]

01:52:30   When you when you get your. Yeah. [TS]

01:52:32   That's that's maybe the only thing that will make a big difference because maybe I wouldn't even notice the. [TS]

01:52:37   The video card stuff depending on the games I play. [TS]

01:52:39   I will think about my options there [TS]

01:52:41   but I think of the macro is still on the table if I can get some amazing hardware discount which I'm still working on. [TS]

01:52:48   But I'll say. Yeah. I mean I think. We talked about it for now. What you think K.C. I was going to go on the show. [TS]

01:52:56   Hand on heart. I was just debating with myself if I should just hang up. Just to be funny. [TS]

01:53:03   Like I'm not actually angry but just to be funny I was genuinely thinking about hanging up and just going to bed. [TS]

01:53:08   And seeing what you two did by listening to the show. Well you can Michael La Party did that unprofessional last week. [TS]

01:53:14   Yeah that's sure I forgot you can't you can't do it for a while here copying law that's true. [TS]

01:53:18   Yeah you're right now well and well it would be typical of cases will probably be more [TS]

01:53:24   or less the end of the Night Pro stuff until Marco gets his in February. That's no way. [TS]

01:53:30   This is a hell that I am doomed to live in for at least another three episodes. [TS]

01:53:34   I bet we're going to have enough to fill up half of next episode and then that'll pretty much be it because and. [TS]

01:53:39   Fortunately for you. Katie the macro hardly ever changes. [TS]

01:53:42   Well transition smoothly into complaining about like about that. Yeah exactly. And with the monitor situation whatever. [TS]

01:53:48   Whenever that moves at all. [TS]

01:53:51   Or doesn't have what we need to let me just need to avoid him I was trying to avoid [TS]

01:53:55   and failing here is the need to stop talking about what we're going to buy for ourselves. [TS]

01:54:00   Because that's bore even tell it was what i'm obsessed about. Currently And what you're obsessing about and stuff. [TS]

01:54:06   Were never that and more talking about you know. [TS]

01:54:09   I think talking about they review and the State of the machine itself and the compromise in it that's good. [TS]

01:54:15   Hemming and hawing about what I should guess that just makes people angry like was build a game B. C. [TS]

01:54:19   Your video card slow. You know. Well but. But it is helpful like. So much of the feedback email that we get is. [TS]

01:54:29   Stuff like this I'm a question that we. [TS]

01:54:32   Should I buy this can I buy this what should I buy stuff like that and I think by. [TS]

01:54:37   You know it's one thing to have been hard for you know. [TS]

01:54:41   Minor differences like oh do I need to get to define hundred the D'sevyn hundred that you know that's less important. [TS]

01:54:47   But big picture things talking about. Do I get a macro beef for years or and I'm back every two. [TS]

01:54:52   You know that's that I think is is more useful to more people I love that one goal was you could tell me as a buy [TS]

01:54:58   and I make every two years. A That would be super expensive in B. [TS]

01:55:01   I would never have a good machine for gaming during that whole bunch of like we're just every three years I have a [TS]

01:55:07   continuing mediocre to crappy game machine for gaming whereas you know I'll leave for brief moment I want to play high [TS]

01:55:14   and games at full resin and slow that the machine age out and then for brief moment be the top of the heap and. [TS]

01:55:19   It's just what you do with cars. I'm never the top of the heap far brief moment I have a brand new Accord. [TS]

01:55:27   It's exciting. [TS]

01:55:28   I guess my my IMAX idea of doing it like you know doing and I'm angry at every two or two [TS]

01:55:33   and a half years that have a map for every four or five. That. [TS]

01:55:38   That depends on the i Macs being like half the price of the my pro [TS]

01:55:41   but it actually is much closer in price than that it's like when you spec it out it's actually not that much cheaper. [TS]

01:55:48   It is cheaper but not half sheepishly in the other people in her room saying you have already have a crappy game. [TS]

01:55:53   I know what do you think I'm thinking of replacing it or believe I have to remind me that the eight hundred G.T. [TS]

01:55:58   Is slow. I know I have an old machine do you realize this is from two thousand and eight. Computer. [TS]

01:56:03   Of course the danger of course. [TS]

01:56:05   It's all about you doesn't mean you just immediately had to buy whatever the out there to get rid of it I want to buy [TS]

01:56:08   the right new thing to jump to a not just anything I buy I'll be faster. Mech many use probably have faster G.P.S. [TS]

01:56:14   Mistake like. I understand that right. I'm just looking for the right machine. [TS]

01:56:18   To buy only what the hell's up at the mac mini It hasn't updated in like then year and I've you think macro. [TS]

01:56:23   People are longsuffering not going to like why not upgrade it. [TS]

01:56:26   Not an advanced technology just shove the way you like such a simple machine. [TS]

01:56:32   Do you think the mac many you think still sell. [TS]

01:56:35   Well at least as well as it ever did or do you think it's on its way down. I'm lookin like thinking. [TS]

01:56:41   If you're if you're in the market for a lower priced mac. Or if you want like you know a second one for some purpose. [TS]

01:56:48   You know the mac manual always serve the role of like something cheap to connect to a T.V. or Be in a closet. [TS]

01:56:53   But for actual like desktop you know use of it. I have to imagine. [TS]

01:56:57   The laptop lineup has to be the MacMini launch at this point because laptops are of course not many as a obscure. [TS]

01:57:05   And the Schmidt Shane. And the laptops keep getting cheaper. So you have. [TS]

01:57:10   You have a laptop which are way more useful and away better value than mag minis for almost all circumstances. [TS]

01:57:17   Being pretty close you know mechanism not that cheap. Once you give it. [TS]

01:57:22   Again it's like the US Once you give reasonable options. [TS]

01:57:25   It's not that you know you're paying nine hundred bucks or a thousand bucks for it and. [TS]

01:57:30   So you know it's not that much cheaper than the laptops the Mini that Apple needs to keep the mini around so that [TS]

01:57:34   when we're eighty years old that will be the form factor of the mac pro and sort of like you know. [TS]

01:57:41   Matter anti-matter black hole technology to remove the heat. [TS]

01:57:45   Do you think the mac mini I seem to do you think the mag many is going to get a redesign. [TS]

01:57:49   To look like maybe like the bottom third of the MacPro patient they should make it look like the stupid new why five [TS]

01:57:54   bass they should. The maximum is gotten taller. Going to see me or is that a new Mechlin in your pocket. [TS]

01:58:06   I keep forgetting that the mac mini got squished like a figure I saw their current current model neck me recently about. [TS]

01:58:14   I'm always struck by how big and wide they are yet they look alike the old Apple T.V. [TS]

01:58:19   Yeah there's like a test massive like I was kind of used to like you know the original Mini a form factor was so cute [TS]

01:58:24   and now it's like center but wider and I don't know if I like that better yet [TS]

01:58:29   but you know they don't need an optical display Why is it so wide [TS]

01:58:31   and flap squished out back together again I'll take another half an inch of height. [TS]

01:58:35   I don't see the mac mini being a very good deal for any actual like desktop use as a computer as opposed to a closet [TS]

01:58:43   or better. T.V. or Whatever like so you know. Servers. It's nice for all it's. [TS]

01:58:47   What's the least amount of money I can buy. To get into a computer. [TS]

01:58:51   And maybe let me review some other crap I might have from my previous computer. So the many years. [TS]

01:58:55   And you know and clauses you isn't rackmount and all of the type of weird things [TS]

01:59:00   but it is worth keeping around just because like the profit margin I got to be pretty darn good because there is cheap [TS]

01:59:06   stuff in there and they sell it for some much money [TS]

01:59:09   and has been going down like I feel like the the margins that product may go not like flying you want to keep you doing [TS]

01:59:14   as many fifty percent profit margins deal with it. [TS]

01:59:17   Well also because there are so many people who want to get into Macs as cheaply as they can. [TS]

01:59:24   The resale market for mac minis is huge like you. You can sell a mac mini for almost what you paid for it. [TS]

01:59:31   Even if it's a few years old you can sell it for a really good price because it's got a new one right now you look the [TS]

01:59:37   Chivas want to six hundred bucks but it kind of sucks. The one that's actually good. Issue. [TS]

01:59:42   Starts at eight hundred bucks. And it's only four gigs of RAM like well you know you have a lot more than that. [TS]

01:59:47   You know you add a gigs or RAM and. [TS]

01:59:49   If you want a fusion drive say to make it perform better a case around one terabyte fusion drive eleven hundred bucks [TS]

01:59:55   already. [TS]

01:59:56   So you know it's really it's so easy to get you into a low [TS]

02:00:00   and I'm back at that point exactly how moderate Have you seen this big shiny color screen that many has no screen. [TS]

02:00:07   And we have the only image and they always green we sell thousand bucks. [TS]

02:00:10   Right or get into a mac book air at that point. Or thirteen inch pro. There is still sell the twenty four inch. [TS]

02:00:16   Don't tell anyone no they do leave the twenty four now it's only twenty one [TS]

02:00:19   and twenty seven which is a comical difference all that's right the crate crazy twenty one thing no no no not the IMAX [TS]

02:00:25   they saw a monitor they thought oh aren't your monitor. No no no no no you're only twenty seven. Yeah. [TS]

02:00:31   The slippery slope that lands you into the popular models. [TS]

02:00:35   The laptop will and that's that's why you know the these price points are very carefully designed and considered. [TS]

02:00:40   So that. So that you can. You can up sell yourself through the line. [TS]

02:00:44   So it's like you start out with like all I want to get a cube is not possible. [TS]

02:00:48   Only only certain people going to sell themselves to my Pro The limit does Well yeah obviously that's that's ridiculous [TS]

02:00:54   is the canyon that you have to shoot yourself over the rush to get it for us. [TS]

02:00:59   What you're right though like you know it's. [TS]

02:01:01   It's designed to get a lot of laptops and I'm Axel basically and I and I think it does that very well. [TS]

02:01:07   Because really like Apple doesn't want everybody buying the many not just because of lower profit margins. [TS]

02:01:14   But because that's not really the full math experience they keep you know they can't control. [TS]

02:01:20   Very well what kind of monitor user that what whether you plug in to a crappy keyboard or mouse from a P.C. [TS]

02:01:25   or Whether you use there's like stuff like that. If you. If you get a laptop an Apple laptop. [TS]

02:01:30   Everything is included for you you have the keyboard of the trackpad it's working with gestures properly. [TS]

02:01:35   You have the nice big screen that Apple controls and knows about and. And can tweak it. [TS]

02:01:40   You have everything in agreement as one nice package. A mac mini is sloppy and messy and uncontrolled. [TS]

02:01:46   So it doesn't give as as good as integrated have an experience. So if you having somebody trying. [TS]

02:01:53   The MAC for the first time. [TS]

02:01:54   Apple should want to give them the best experience they can so they keep buying Macs in the future. [TS]

02:01:59   And to do that you have to have a laptop basically you know I agree with that you'd sell it anyway. Sort of kind of. [TS]

02:02:09   How many. I mean to C.P.U. Generations of the many skipped I think it's gets a couple. Yeah. [TS]

02:02:15   I would say probably at least three or four. It went it went a long time. The current one. I think. [TS]

02:02:21   I think right before the current one. It went like three generations something like that it. It has had pretty. [TS]

02:02:27   Sporadic updates that have been noticeably slower. Current C.P.U. [TS]

02:02:31   With a Core two Duo for your eleven hundred dollars ring. Well complain. You know he has your monitor. [TS]