46: A Compromised Machine

0:00:00What do you build again. Your for your car to slow. There are some quick follow up about guess what the macro.

0:00:09Well come on we did like a whole episode and we can't. There's not going to be zero follow up.

0:00:13No no I'd sign after we record last episode. Someone took it apart I think it was first O.-W. See and.

0:00:21And then everyone else. Jump on the reporting of it but basically they discovered that the macro C.P.U. Is socketed.

0:00:27And it has it's the regular standard Intel C.P.U.

0:00:31With the heat spreader on top so you can easily take it out and replace it.

0:00:35And everyone told me hey you can buy the C.P.U. You wanted. So. And you know. More more useful if everyone else.

0:00:44Hey you can upgrade your macro C.P.U. In the future. Now.

0:00:48In all my history of building my own computers back another P.C. Guy. And then ever since then owning Macs.

0:00:56I have never once. Upgraded a C.P.U. and The main reason why is because usually the C.P.U.

0:01:05Is not the only problem in a computer once it starts getting old and slow

0:01:10and secondarily to that which is more limiting. Usually. You can't really after the C.P.U.

0:01:16Very far usually by the time. There's there are C.P.U.'s that are substantially faster than what you have.

0:01:22They either need a new socket or they need a different. Chipset on the motherboard of a need to use a faster bus or.

0:01:27You know more than what your board can do something like that usually within the socket that you have on your board

0:01:34and within what your board will support C.P.U. Wise.

0:01:37Usually it's not really worth any upgrades that are available for it within that little narrow range so.

0:01:44Of creating a C.P.U. In this case is not going to be that common of a thing.

0:01:49It also was pretty hard to get to it requires pretty substantial disassembly of the whole thing including filling with

0:01:55some very very small precise ribbon cables and stuff that connect all the big boards together so it's not something.

0:02:01It's not like replacing RAM You know it's not like you know you pop the slot and that's a.

0:02:05So I don't really think it's really going to be a thing that anybody does.

0:02:10What makes it a little bit different in this case is. There is a pretty vast difference in core counts.

0:02:16That are available for this socket. So if you start with the four core.

0:02:19And then you know in two years you buy the a core.

0:02:23That that'll be a big a big difference in parallel performance but even then like Singletary before

0:02:28when you're probably not really going anywhere.

0:02:29So it's it's probably not going to be worth it for almost anybody to actually do this let's not forget the.

0:02:36The psychological trauma of opening up your beautiful trash can and carefully.

0:02:42Prying it apart especially especially the things that you're pulling heat from like.

0:02:46I know you don't have to take off the Internet it's better everything

0:02:49but anything involving like you have to make sure when you put it back together.

0:02:53That all of the correct contact is made between all the right parts to keep things cool because bad things can happen

0:02:57if it's not and. It's a type of thing you get good at if you do it a lot but most of us don't you know.

0:03:03Don't do this for a living don't build computers for a living to upgrade computer for a living so how many computers do

0:03:07even own throughout your life even if you upgrade the C.P.U.

0:03:09In every single one of them it's not a skill that I count among the things that I'm confident I can do on.

0:03:14You know I've I've replaced heat sinks on graphics card itself out of that I hand full of times of my life

0:03:19and I certainly don't want to crack open this. Five seven ten thousand dollar trash can cylinder. Yank out the C.P.U.

0:03:26and Put another one maybe when the thing is like five years old and I feel like it's depreciated

0:03:30but not as bad as opening a laptop but that's kind of part of the apple experiences.

0:03:34You don't have to do this stuff you just buy a to comes out of the box it's pretty everything's in the works.

0:03:39And you use it. Also there is a lot of of value in keeping your computer with the stock. Apple parts.

0:03:50You know you anyone who's been around Apple long enough has has heard stories about how people say.

0:03:55Send in their laptops for sir.

0:03:56US from Apple and they get rejected because of us third party RAM in it or that will take their party ran out

0:04:01and doesn't return.

0:04:02Something like that like having third party RAM is always is always a little bit questionable whenever you need Apple

0:04:07service and. And having a non-standard or upgraded C.P.U. In there. They probably wouldn't notice.

0:04:15But if they did notice that would make it pretty hard to get service.

0:04:18Even if something broke that they should cover and otherwise would cover. That might cause problems for you and so.

0:04:25And also you know what if things go a little bit wrong what if your computer just being a little bit unstable.

0:04:31Is it because you didn't apply. The right amount or pattern of thermal paste on the C.P.U.

0:04:36or You didn't remount the thing properly. You never know and so you have all these things that.

0:04:40That can become your problem. And for what gain. And if the gain is.

0:04:46Maybe you saved a couple hundred dollars on a five thousand dollars computer or.

0:04:50You know I putting in some third party thing. Or the gain is maybe you used in the life by a little bit longer like.

0:04:56I don't know it's in most cases to not worth it especially now like you know it's that in the RAM example.

0:05:04Apple's RAM pricing in the last few years actually gotten pretty competitive. It's not the cheapest.

0:05:09But the price difference between Apple and anybody else of actual good quality like would have you see.

0:05:14Crucial the price difference between those is not that big for most configurations for RAM so it actually is pretty

0:05:21plausible. For the few remaining Macs that even have RAM slots.

0:05:25It's pretty pretty possible to get pay Apple's price and and and be set. You know for a while at that.

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0:07:59What else is there.

0:08:00I put I threw something in there because of the reviewing apples twenty thirty give it a blog post about it because

0:08:06this is the first show of the new year so you know. Why not talk about last year. How Dapple did last year.

0:08:12I am all for that John thank you first for writing at least a small or a pretty brief oasis of not.

0:08:21All right so John tell me about how Apple didn't twenty thirteen other neither one of you.

0:08:26They did on the REMEMBER MY APPLE twenty thirteen to do list posts from early in twenty thirteen. No I did.

0:08:33Because I'm a huge fan boy. And when I was I thinking of ways to look at Apple.

0:08:42I didn't want to do a wish list you know those ones like here.

0:08:45Here are the things that I really want

0:08:46or like the things that are wrong with their current products a lot of different angles a tech sites take at the.

0:08:52You know what should Apple do. What should they do next which they do this year whatever.

0:08:57And the angle of tech is being of last year was. Let me make a to do this like I was to give.

0:09:03Tim Cook this list and say here's what you got to do this year and you're not going to put crazy stuff on it

0:09:07but like make me a hoverboard or you know stuff like that because that's not actionable. Right.

0:09:11And I'm not trying to predict what will Apple do like a rumor site here's what we think Apple will do next year give us

0:09:16a totally different exercise I was trying to make a list of things that I think are feasible.

0:09:21Reasonable not crazy they're going to be pretty boring.

0:09:24But that Apple should do it so it's a To Do list for them they should just go down during the year make sure you do all

0:09:28the stuff checked ect ect ect ect. And I totally planned you know.

0:09:32By the end of the year to go back and see how they did and so that's what I did it is look.

0:09:35The items that were ten items. And I went through each one of them.

0:09:38And it's not surprising that they did pretty well because again these are not.

0:09:43Predictions rumors

0:09:44or wish list it's very straightforward stuff so I just want to go through them because they're pretty quick.

0:09:51Ship boss ten ten point nine and I was seven. Like you know. Keep doing that stuff that you're doing.

0:09:57They did that stuff. I was I really go out on a limb there John. Well.

0:10:01It's got to be on the to listen because think about think of it this way. Like going on a limb I was seven.

0:10:06You're pretty sure that's going to happen but ten point nine you know. Well they could.

0:10:09They could get thrown off for i OS seven could turn out to be more of a problem than it.

0:10:13You know than they expected and they could delay.

0:10:15Ten point nine So it's conceivable they could have missed one of those

0:10:17or they could have done the really bad that I get one of them was a disaster. Right.

0:10:20I also gave these items letter grade so if one of those things that is asked her thought yeah you did that you ship

0:10:25those two zero S. Is but one of them was terrible but you know.

0:10:28They weren't so that's why I don't have a bone to pick I think you're suffering a little bit from grade inflation here

0:10:33I think some of these grades are too high and lots of people think that you are low

0:10:36and so you know I sort of thought harder of people are doing the grades because it's kind of like ratings on game

0:10:42reviews. If you just review a game.

0:10:44People leaving comments like you know that they get to get a agree with some of the Harvard soon as you attach a number

0:10:49a letter greater number of stars people like this is totally not a nine point seven five three it's a nine point seven

0:10:54five five.

0:10:55Easily handle

0:10:57and they'll just argue forever about the same way you argue about grades this is not an A minus is definitely an A

0:11:02whatever and. I'm kind of regretting putting those grades an epic is now.

0:11:07That's all people can see even you so much will get to your disagreement as we get these invite him

0:11:13but do you think the a minus is unwarranted for ten and I was seven. No I think I think actually that's actually.

0:11:20I would have been given a put the minus

0:11:23and then just because I mean like I've linked to your thing about like the button shapes

0:11:26and all the options they're adding and. That's a sign as you wrote in your post like as we talk about the show.

0:11:31Once you start having to add options and stuff that's a sign that maybe you didn't eloquent the first time

0:11:35and a lot of the times know no series of options. Will fix the fundamental flaw in the philosophy of your design.

0:11:42Like you might have to go back you know.

0:11:45Options are kind of a quick fix but it's kind of push pull something that one thing in over here

0:11:49and something else pops out over there

0:11:50and you push the thing in it's kind of you don't end up with a nicely shaped sort of product in the end you end up with

0:11:56some cloth of lumps. And so I was seventy why has a couple of those minor wartimes by throwing a minus. You know.

0:12:03I thought it was a diversified i Phone product line.

0:12:06That's a vague item about I didn't want to be a particular specific idea just gotta do something is going to be more

0:12:11than one i Phone more than one new i Phone not just.

0:12:14Last year's model a new one you have to diversify and I've been talking about that for years.

0:12:18and years they did it with five C. I give it a B. Plus. Only because the five C.

0:12:25Is like it's a little bit disappointing in that it's not more different.

0:12:28My whole thing was that if you make a purpose built. Cheaper phone. You can do.

0:12:33You can do it better than simply offering last year's model.

0:12:36And they kind of did that I guess by going with plastic and stuff and they've been a little bit bigger battery

0:12:40but otherwise it's basically just an i Phone five in there

0:12:42and I feel like there's an untapped potential in a purpose built second tier i Phone So maybe the next run out at

0:12:48They'll do a little bit better but will say.

0:12:50Are we getting the impression that the five season actually saying that well.

0:12:54I don't even know if Apple going to break that down we have to wait for their earnings calls but it seems like.

0:12:59Since the i Phone or the high end product that may well.

0:13:03Like the lines that all the people lining up the early adopters obviously they're going to want the fancy phone.

0:13:07And it seems like all of the people in line when they had people going through

0:13:11and surveying them were there for the five S. Not the five C.

0:13:14but Everyone I said OK well that's fine for the people who'd line up in the first week

0:13:17or whatever what about over the long term deal just wander into the store and want to replace their i Phone

0:13:21or want to try

0:13:22and i Phone for the first time maybe they're all buying five C S I don't even know if Apple give us that breakdown

0:13:26but I don't. This this. To do item is not predicated on the particular success that my merely that it has to exist.

0:13:33I'm sure Apple will tweak the pricing the power in the mix I think they can diversify further in fact I haven't made a

0:13:39twenty fourteen to do list for them but it's hard for us to know.

0:13:42And I'm not even sure Apple's going to tell us I think we did at the weight on that.

0:13:46Can I create a twenty fourteen to do list for you but includes one item of creating a twenty four team list for Apple.

0:13:54You can create it and then you have to wait a year to write me on how well I did and how I compass that.

0:13:59I can be patient. You know. We can you. I already gave up. I already bought the macro for God's sake. Yeah. Seriously.

0:14:09Sell for the next item was I keep the i Pad on track. Which is a boring one. But it's something you have to do.

0:14:14And it's a song to do list.

0:14:16You can't because if that's not on the journalist you go through the year I did everything and is use the right guys.

0:14:20And that Tim Cook says No you forgot to put out i Pad updates. So Paris is pretty great the i Pad Mini one retina.

0:14:30I gave in a minus because the i Pad two is still there

0:14:33and it's kind of creepy that they're still selling it for that price even though there are customers for it again I

0:14:36think a purpose built model for that market we better and the i Pad Air really really needs more RAM like.

0:14:43That's the one thing keeping you from not the one thing keep me from buying the i Pad ever one of the many things

0:14:47keeping me from buying the i Pad areas it's kind of a shame.

0:14:50They didn't bump the RAM up over the i Pad for an I think even that had three always have a gigabyte.

0:14:56And with the power that's in the A seven and everything that deserves more ram.

0:15:00So am I miss their introduce more better. Better retina Max. Kind of that.

0:15:06The ones I was kind of talking about where the portables where they did finally put the you know the iris Prograf ICS.

0:15:10in the back but pro to give the integrated G.P.U.

0:15:14Another power to handle the screen and more things can go an integrated G.P.U.

0:15:19They don't have to go to the discrete and actually this created only on the high end model

0:15:22but it's still there so that's all good. But the Aaron I'm back now retina.

0:15:26At all and the worst part as we've probably talk about later than that pro is retina.

0:15:31Deliveries are at this point extremely limited as disappointing. So where to talk about giving up on retina.

0:15:38Giving up on the run a dream for last year and maybe next year.

0:15:45This turned out to be a particularly controversial want to make messages work correctly and. And I'm.

0:15:53It's an Iraq messages.

0:15:55But then I reference I message I was mostly talking about the application messages that's on the Mac.

0:15:58I think it's probably called messages on the phone to but i Message just what people think of it when I use it

0:16:02and I was anyway.

0:16:05When I was saying it's like it's an instant messaging service you type text

0:16:09and it appears on one else's screen you have a little conversation with little bubbles is basically the replacement for

0:16:13i Chat. I was pretty crappy in beta.

0:16:16And I was pretty crappy when it came out for real

0:16:18and I said you go thank those who was in semester kind of got to work. And as I said in their report card here. Is it.

0:16:27Is it fixed now.

0:16:28It's hard for me to tell because I don't have a strong presented a survey of every single person who's using messages

0:16:33in the entire world.

0:16:35But in my own personal experience and in the experience of the people who send me e-mail tweet at me

0:16:38and then people who I know there are still routinely really embarrassing dumb problems with messages like messages

0:16:46being in the wrong order or clicking on a conversation in messages.

0:16:51And the right hand pain showing you a different conversation.

0:16:54And those types of fundamentalists are what's the big deal it's a small little bug right.

0:16:58You can't you just can't trust and it's a message program that does that like.

0:17:01It's it's it's kind of a degree of difficulty to have a situation where OK So in some crazy obscure situation with

0:17:08twenty different devices maybe does this weird thing fine. But this is like.

0:17:12Just from one person to another one MAC to another having a simple conversation where you type something it appears

0:17:17and I type something appears and it can't even handle that correctly. And that's why I give them a D.

0:17:22Because their task was make messages work regularly I think they still haven't done it I still retain Lisi reports from

0:17:28people I routinely experience on myself. Really basic bugs and messages.

0:17:33And it's not as though the end of the world is not deleting all my data it's not it's not you know hosing my hard drive

0:17:38or causing kernel panics but it's failing to be a competent instant message client.

0:17:43If that happens to you once a month. Once a year is that OK what if you.

0:17:46If you think you clicked on a conversation start typing and don't realize until you know a minute

0:17:51or two later that you're actually having a totally different conversation he said something you didn't want to say in

0:17:55that window or things being out in the wrong order not being able to make sense of all conversations

0:17:59or messages like inserting themselves up into your history or losing your entire scroll back. Those.

0:18:04That's unacceptable.

0:18:06It's accept the one a beta it's maybe acceptable in a one point zero

0:18:08but at this point the basics should be sorted out and I've used like every I am. Client. You can.

0:18:14You know high profile on insta. Yeah I was the messenger am I think you Google Talk. You know. Custom jabber servers.

0:18:23You name it I've used them and.

0:18:25I'm not doing Apple for not getting the really hard stuff right I'm doing them for not getting the basics right and.

0:18:30Some people say oh it works fine for me as I message it all the time works perfectly well that's great

0:18:34but there's still enough people.

0:18:36For whom it doesn't work or I click that I gave them a deal on the task of make messages were correctly.

0:18:42See I disagree there well I should say I disagree.

0:18:45I just don't see any of those issues so if I saw those issues I would rate it the same way.

0:18:49But I actually I am going to ruin things for myself by saying this out loud

0:18:55but I almost never have problems with i Message and I almost never have problems with the messages app.

0:19:01I don't ask a lot of my message I don't Lance ask a lot of my. I am client on on the mac.

0:19:06But I very rarely in fact I can't even remember the last time I've had an issue with either.

0:19:11And so I'm stunned that not only are you saying watch and placed on

0:19:15but I'm surprised that not only are you saying that you're that you're experiencing all these issues but your.

0:19:19You've clearly collected a lot of feedback from regular people saying the other people saying that it they're also

0:19:25experiencing the issues.

0:19:26I mean that's of I was going to answer but it was one and one person was objecting this has never happened to them

0:19:30and it's an unfair grade or whatever and then a few other of my random followers saw that one guy said like.

0:19:35I just took a survey of ten i Phone users in this room and all ten have seen. Problems like these recently and.

0:19:43You know there's other people who fall over just having.

0:19:45You know a month long years long battle with messages and constant post screenshots of the scripts or whatever

0:19:50and people send me email.

0:19:52It doesn't happen to everybody it's not widespread it's not an epidemic it's not it's not a big deal

0:19:55but it's a big enough deal like a few says never happened to you say it happened once just once.

0:20:01Where you click the conversation started typing and didn't realize it was the wrong conversation.

0:20:06After that you're going to look at messages a little bit differently.

0:20:08And say it happened maybe maybe maybe not just once maybe like once. Two years ago. And then once.

0:20:13Three six months later and then once a couple months after that.

0:20:16Eventually you start said look this is this this program. It's not terrible works fine most of the time.

0:20:21But I have to constantly be watching it

0:20:22and other programs you don't have to constantly watching how even Skype for crying out loud.

0:20:26You type a message and it appears a dozen Mr Liver doesn't deliver it twice. It doesn't send it to the wrong person.

0:20:33The message is assorted correctly in the scroll back. You know all those things.

0:20:36Just take for granted I mean for granted a lot of Skype is doing it correctly. And Apple can't you know.

0:20:41It's not it's not because this is a BIG be able to says it's do item which was.

0:20:45You know Apple bring your insta Mester client.

0:20:48How helped bring it up to the reliability standards that much but i Chat. Even using A.O.L. Servers.

0:20:53Right and they haven't even they haven't even got up to you know there were fewer problems with i Chat.

0:20:58So I get that want to be on the most interesting thing to me about this is that the To me these are the kinds of

0:21:04problems that Apple doesn't from the outside seem to care about it all.

0:21:08You know they'll care about an antenna gate which actually wasn't a problem

0:21:11but they'll care about something that everyone screaming yelling about. But when it's an intermittent.

0:21:15Intermittent thing. It seems like it never ever ever gets fixed.

0:21:20Or if it does it's just a happy accident riding along with some other bug fix that was unrelated.

0:21:24I feel like these are the sorts of things that they can or constantly.

0:21:27Well it's so hard to debug this the biggest people people fall radars on it's like this one time I launch messages

0:21:33and it did this crazy thing. Here's a screenshot of the crazy thing.

0:21:36How can they do bug that they have no idea like it's you know it's a client's a server issue this date involved that

0:21:41all that has gone by that point it's so I understand.

0:21:44You know be difficult for them to do bug it's not like oh there's an obvious fix they're not doing.

0:21:48But it's their job to just make something that works like many people have made instant message clients that work.

0:21:53You know. Yeah.

0:21:55I think you am using that the native clients using Adam for them jabber Google Talk will talk has a web component.

0:22:02Google Talk is have fewer problems with not just like a thing in the web browser plus amusing outing at the same time.

0:22:07Like they have to figure out what's going on here and fix it and I didn't give us all an F.

0:22:11Because I think they did make messages work better. They just didn't make it work better and the flag.

0:22:16I should no longer be experiencing the type like just someone asked me what does happen to you as a matter of fact.

0:22:21Just happened yesterday.

0:22:23My parents were here and I was trying to demonstrate something with messages

0:22:25and sending a message from one computer to another to show.

0:22:28I want to show how like you when your don't have messages launch you can still get the notifications and stuff

0:22:33and I was just demonstrating messages from one MAC to another and. I couldn't get a message to go one MAC another.

0:22:38Both of them using messages both signed in with two different Apple ideas and two different computers.

0:22:43And I would send a message and they wouldn't hear and I was sent messages that when the pair and I quit

0:22:46and relaunch the program to decide that always on they started working.

0:22:49But the messages that I sent the didn't appear never appeared.

0:22:53Maybe they'll appear next month out of order them whereas I don't know but that's that's that's an excusable.

0:22:59Come to the end there. Make i Cloud better. Actually give us want to see.

0:23:03Because I think the have made a club but I wrote about in the Mavericks.

0:23:06Or the quite hard core data team got a chance to regroup.

0:23:11You know maybe maybe it's too late for them to do to win back the hearts and minds of people

0:23:15but there are a least trying to fix the problems that they had.

0:23:18But in general I don't think i Cloud still has a good reputation mostly because I like what they provide to the kind of

0:23:23control they provide to you is like go into a preference brain and check a check box

0:23:27or in know something simple like that and when it doesn't work. You just gonna have to stare at it until it does.

0:23:33Like oh just wait maybe it'll peer.

0:23:35You know just launch I thought oh let's get there may be stuff in photo stream will appear eventual if it doesn't.

0:23:39I don't know what to do like there's no there's no visibility. So you're not going to provide any visibility.

0:23:44Ernie you know sort of way to debunk which is fine I'm all for not letting people see all the gears

0:23:49and touch all that stuff but you just gotta make a work all the time and I call it still doesn't.

0:23:53I still also disagree that the. I Cloud I mean and you know the word i Cloud. Applies to lots of different things.

0:24:01Talking specifically about like the files and documents and data storage with an absence inking all that.

0:24:07I still disagree that that's even a well designed system that I think conceptually.

0:24:13The whole idea of each app being its own silo

0:24:16and having this i Cloud container in it that's pretty much opaque to everything else..

0:24:21Or completely opaque to everything else. I O. S. It almost makes sense. On the mac.

0:24:28It's really confusing and really clunky and. I would even say on the mac it's.

0:24:34It's badly designed conceptually and I still don't see this really taking off or going anywhere in the future.

0:24:42Yeah they haven't really made another run at that I think they're still in the deep sync stage Well there are two

0:24:46stages one is make the existing stuff. Work correctly and reliably.

0:24:50Which is a tele separation the second is let's think about how we can deal with the whole silo thing

0:24:55and I don't think they're going to I'm hoping.

0:24:58Eventually they'll come back and say we've thought about this and here is our solution to that.

0:25:02And it will be a kind of a big picture solution not just like some kind of weird Band-Aid

0:25:06or hack that enhances the silo systems of those Like this little straw being drawn between silos where you can send

0:25:13things I don't know.

0:25:14So I hope they're considering that but that wasn't what I was getting I would to do it and I was mostly just saying.

0:25:19Mostly going for reliability and and speed and stuff. Maybe next year's list was like well thing.

0:25:25I would hold my breath. Yeah. If there is a list. That's almost a resurrect I life and I work.

0:25:32And they did that but they kind of did a Pet Sematary style. Feel when you read that book or saw the movie but anyway.

0:25:40I live in our car back. But they're not really the applications we thought they would be like.

0:25:47There are new they are different but sometimes they have fewer features.

0:25:51And it's not kind of like wow this makes the old versions like crap it's more like.

0:25:56Boy I hope I can still get my work done with these new versions because they're moved a lot of features

0:26:00and they change the file format and all of their stuff so it's not really.

0:26:04Not really what I was looking for but they did resurrect it right there back.

0:26:09Although not the not the names but the individual apps. OK they're free. When a. Yeah I don't I.

0:26:17I actually use the I work out like I don't use Microsoft Office I don't even have it installed I use the I work apps

0:26:23for work and Granted my kind of work does not require frequent use of them.

0:26:27These numbers I do use frequently actually for like an accounting stuff but.

0:26:30And the occasional graph

0:26:31but I have not found anything in the new versions that I think is better than the old versions.

0:26:38I like and I I want to light these so much and I just can't. I'm having a really hard time.

0:26:46Having any faith in Apple to do right by their application software anymore. You know their O.-S.

0:26:51Is doing great on both O.S.'s are doing great their hardware is doing great as I said in the past their application

0:26:58software is really suffering and they you know I looked at the.

0:27:02At the the apps by Apple page on the mac app store to see all the let me get a list of all their all their major

0:27:08application software and. It's on a very long list. It's basically I life I work. Final Cut. Logic.

0:27:13Aperture and a couple of like little administrative things there. And I really question.

0:27:31What's going on there like why is it that they don't have enough time to do to do this rally

0:27:36or are they in too much of a crunch.

0:27:37Every year

0:27:38and they had they want to get this release cycle is that a problem of one of the leaders of one of the groups in the in

0:27:44the company is it a problem of priorities is a problem of design like what.

0:27:48What is causing them to like now I'm scared. Any Apple app I use. I live I work. Pro.

0:27:57I'm actually scared to see what Apple does to it next its reach that point. And that's that's really that.

0:28:02I think they're in the same corner as Microsoft. Found itself in the.

0:28:07The barrier to entry of the price of being part of this market is now higher

0:28:12and different in a way is the not prepared for and. When I hear that is like when a microsoft.

0:28:18Kept revising office or windows for that matter.

0:28:20And the Internet age dawned that their reaction was I guess this means we have to add like internet crap to Microsoft

0:28:27Word or something. I think guys is that what we have to do. And like the next thing is like All right well.

0:28:32I think it means we have to make like a web version of Office or something I don't know.

0:28:36And I think of this I think of Google back there kind of smiling and gloating like we have one version of.

0:28:42You know Google Docs or a spreadsheet or whatever it is not a fancy version is not amazing the which have one.

0:28:47And we can put all our resources behind that. But now Apple has to make the I was very soon.

0:28:53And they owe us ten version. And the stupid web version.

0:28:55They have to make three versions of their programs and this really seemed to be about synchronizing them.

0:28:59Feature wise and file format because it was embarrassing when you have like all the web version can use the.

0:29:03You can edit the file.

0:29:04You can just view the files or edit them on the made in your mac when you put them in Iowa some features don't work

0:29:08and I was that was embarrassing when they had three versions and they were in sync.

0:29:12And some of them you could create some things that could be viewed other than vice versa.

0:29:16And so this really says more about we have to synchronize the look what they're doing they're synchronizing three

0:29:19what's basically three entirely different applications gunnels at how much code the sheriff anything between.

0:29:25I was in the MAC maybe some there but like the web version who knows. And that's why they've got and.

0:29:30They've got to be feel like.

0:29:32But we must be doing something wrong here because I know native software is greater than the Google has to make one

0:29:37version of these and we have to make three and that feels wrong and were spread too thin and we have trouble hiring

0:29:42and he's not a big priority and so.

0:29:44And we need to hit our deadlines

0:29:45and talk about the yearly deadline like I work the latest version was over nine right and I life it was like eleven.

0:29:51Yeah I LIVE FOR THE can mix of like ten and eleven.

0:29:53I looked over the up and I made that post and it's like it's really. It basically the i Pad came out.

0:29:59And then all development on Maclin cation stopped. Because all the teams. Literally could all the teams were like.

0:30:05Then. Oh my God a rush to create. I Pad version and then i Phone version and and.

0:30:10You know it's very clear that Apple is using very small teams

0:30:14and we know that from talking to people there we know that they use very small teams and stuff like those and.

0:30:19It's clear that this is like they were distracted by having to make i i OS versions.

0:30:25And they have an update the I was versions.

0:30:27And now all of a sudden now they're back to their back to the MAC having to make something has been almost four years.

0:30:34I haven't made anything really.

0:30:35They have to make some kind of update

0:30:36but it's not like they've been working for four years on the mac version straight they've been working on the mag

0:30:40version for maybe a year. And so and on top of all of us of having like cram all this in.

0:30:46It's just it's really it's very clear that they're not handling their size well at all it's got to know what I'm

0:30:54talking about saw from a thought.

0:30:55Methodology is right now but to getting back to one thing about software development I've always believed

0:31:00and find a pressure when it's not the case is that. I'm a big proponent of leaving developers on. A product.

0:31:09So if you have a team that builds some application. When the application is done it ships.

0:31:16Don't take those people off and assign them to a new product and repeat that process. It doesn't mean you can't.

0:31:23Doesn't mean that people can't work in different products or whatever

0:31:25but in general there must always be a team working on X. Want that's like that's the cost of having a product.

0:31:30The cost of having a product is the team the build it

0:31:33and you gotta have a team that there that supports that product make the next version.

0:31:36And that teams only job should be to make that process awesome again

0:31:39and maybe that probably becomes irrelevant then you got to move them or that process to change in a certain way.

0:31:43But you can't to shift them like OK we did that you know every bit like.

0:31:47It seems like from the outside that that Apple has like these A players

0:31:51and like wherever the fire is wherever the most important thing is the A players get swept off to there it's exciting

0:31:56it's fun like Hey now we're doing I was sort of senior project So Paul the best cocoa guys bring or die us right.

0:32:01And hey now we're doing the amazing holographic watch levitating hoverboard everybody pulled them over like you know

0:32:07that's that's not a good way to support your products you have to.

0:32:11You have to leave a team in place like well that if we do that everything have these teams in place like stuck there

0:32:15with those developing resources are basically dead to us they're not dead they're they're making a new version a new

0:32:20version to make them better and better and we all see the point where that kind of stop like.

0:32:24I thought I got better and better up to about two versions ago. And then it just got worse and worse.

0:32:30You know the same deal with many other products that we're talking about where we could tell

0:32:34when there was teams actively working on the nice diversion was a big thing for example I.O.'s has teams actively

0:32:39working on it and each new version is like wild look at what they've done right. Or the compiler team.

0:32:44There's no they didn't take those guys off. The compiler team and say we did this we're done now that every year.

0:32:49They have new stuff that team it's a probably a small team and it's fine

0:32:52or whatever not thing you need like Microsoft side seams with hundreds of people.

0:32:56But every year there is a compiler team it's probably good like you can't take the compiler guys like make them do the

0:33:00next version of like numbers for i OS or some. Thing.

0:33:03Because they're just compiler guys and what else are they going to do my work better. But every year.

0:33:09They make you know the programming language Objective C. Runtime the compilers. They make that better of your and X.

0:33:14Go team on the simming it just does X. Code Year after year and that gets revised.

0:33:18But you're right it seems like the guys who are doing i Life is like a number now we gotta make all these riots

0:33:22and maybe not the same guys or whatever it are now we have to make things like.

0:33:26And so who's left on the i Phone or team well.

0:33:28Your job is to use a couple new controls to make a look more like I us

0:33:31and keep it running on the new version the operating system

0:33:34and take away key words under photos because you want to drive John Kerry is a crazy and.

0:33:40Do you think it's like there's like one guy at Apple somewhere. Whose job it is to just drive you crazy.

0:33:45So I want to find the person who took the words.

0:33:48Out from underneath autos and find the person who's keeping them away because maybe you Steve Jobs it took them away.

0:33:52Fine. Now he's gone. Because put them back. I'll give you one word. That will solve your problem.

0:33:58Lightroom to it for me. It's not it's never too late or late. Look I use i Photo for years. I then used.

0:34:06Aperture for years. White Room. Trust me. It is night and day. I mean this is ultimately what.

0:34:14What I'm doing here is I'm replacing Apple software. With Adobe software.

0:34:19Like what you're doing to yourself I know that's an improvement. To be fair.

0:34:22Light Room is probably would say possibly Adobe's best product. It's a really good product.

0:34:27It's nothing like their other one. It's really. All right. So that's good.

0:34:34I made my as my own fault for not being clear in the to do it

0:34:37and resurrect I life not working what I meant was like they hadn't been updated so long

0:34:41and now they've been opted in like I said of us like to be careful what I wish or. They didn't resurrect them all.

0:34:46Yeah. I think be minus was was optimistic on that grade.

0:34:51Like I just said resurrect they did resurrect the right in to resurrect them and make them.

0:34:55I should have been more specific. So they get a B. Minus.

0:34:58Because I am glad that they like at least that what if there was no new version of my work

0:35:01or whatever was just that web thing that no one cares about. Like that would be a lower grade.

0:35:05The next item was to reassure him act pro lovers. I give them one day. Because you know.

0:35:11The dramatic intro video damn you know do you see a member that thing with all the deep bass in that room in the video

0:35:18and like. You know that's. It's reassuring Apple is totally in the not pro business again.

0:35:24But you know the whole nine yards in the factory in the US and.

0:35:28Yep definitely in a they're going to choose to just be quiet here. Better get used to it.

0:35:38Getting I know I'm totally kidding I'm totally cool. I am I find I don't most do something about T.V..

0:35:45Which was conceivable. Last year they could learn something about T.V.

0:35:48And what I meant by that if you look back at the original item.

0:35:51I have specific examples of what I was talking about it's like.

0:35:54Do something something different than what you've been doing instead of just having a little Apple T.V.

0:35:58Dr No make it make a T.V. Set by Netflix and make apps that are on the T.V.

0:36:02Something that we all recognize as a big move in a television world because Apple has been hinting that they want to

0:36:09they're interested in television I want to do something they have to see lots of potential blah blah blah blah blah

0:36:14and. I thought it was time for them to actually do something. But they didn't.

0:36:18We don't know why maybe I'll find a next year. That's you know when I gave it F.

0:36:22Because they totally didn't do that but that was kind of a stretch anyway I was kind of a. I was.

0:36:25That was the closest thing to whistle plan.

0:36:28But overall I think give us a pretty good rating it was a pretty good year for them. They did they did.

0:36:34Pretty much most of the things they were supposed to do.

0:36:37To varying degrees success

0:36:38but I would give them check marks like yep we did do this to this they did a lot of things they had to do.

0:36:42No big stumbles just a few minor ones here and there them all feeling or care about so good here for them.

0:36:50Now do you want to give any any hints on. If you made twenty four team list. What that might include. I think it's.

0:36:56I think it might be harder for me because last year like I was trying to look for a way in to this.

0:37:01Other than saying like speculating about what they might do or doing a wish list

0:37:06and to do seem to purport of the time because it seemed like they had a lot of work cut out for them.

0:37:10You know that was kind of a DID beginning of the you know.

0:37:12Tim Cook's run it's like well what do you got to do what you got to do if you want to rappel you've got a lot of

0:37:16product lines and you have to sort of hit all of them and you know a couple of them are in various states of crisis.

0:37:21and other ones hadn't been updated a while so you got X. Y. and Z. Going into next year.

0:37:26I don't know if it's a dualist is the right format. Maybe now it's time to start thinking of a different angle on this.

0:37:32So I'm not sure what I'm going to do with that if anything

0:37:36but I want to think about it some more because I was going to make a to do list I think it would be kind of kind of

0:37:41boring and. I think I would have to start to go into the speculation type stuff of new product categories and T.V.

0:37:47Mumbo jumbo so I don't know if this is the right format for next year when the funding is you can copy

0:37:52and paste this list with very few changes and just say I do this again.

0:37:55Yeah well those the things they have to do every year

0:37:57but I'd like for example I'm I would gladly not put us ten ten ten not on their say like.

0:38:03Look I don't think you need ten ten next year you could do.

0:38:06Ten nineteen march your way up through the single digits there and do ten ten and eighteen months.

0:38:10The world would not end it gives you enough time to do new file system all for. You know I mean clerks.

0:38:18And i OS seven like.

0:38:20You can imagine an i OS eight that is a lot like Iowa seven but with a few new frameworks and features

0:38:25and some minor U.I.

0:38:27Tweaks

0:38:27and like they're going to call that's what I was it is going to be like they're going to call that I always say it

0:38:31but it's not you know.

0:38:32I think that's fine and all the rest of

0:38:35but diversifying the i Phone if they go another year with just two phones I think that's fine you know to do that

0:38:39keeping the I bet on track. I think there's room for an i Pad.

0:38:43Pro and there

0:38:44but maybe not next year like you're right it's a lot of the same stuff they have certain product lines at the here

0:38:49but I tried to be specific about what I was expecting like you know.

0:38:52Or they're going to with Maclin you gotta bring more retina out of going to be repeated X.

0:38:56Your toe and messages and i Cloud. I don't know what to say about those things anymore.

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0:43:25All right so we should probably get to an Antec smack per view.

0:43:32Well if you insist that you would like to talk about the. I would love.

0:43:36I would like nothing more than to talk about the macro did you did you read it get big. I did was a good.

0:43:44The review was very good. I know your.

0:43:46I know you're saying that have seriously have joking the review was very good in all his reviews are really good you

0:43:50know as a quick aside. It made me think. I feel like he's much better. And perhaps more.

0:43:59Apple friendly version of Tom from Toms Hardware do you do you guys read that back in the day.

0:44:03Well if I remember I remember it's still there isn't yet still there. Yeah. Does anyone ever read it anymore.

0:44:08It mean it looks radically different now. But yeah I'll occasionally in there from Google searches about processors.

0:44:13And yet still around. Money right so yeah. An Antec in a proper announcement wrong I'm sorry but an Antec.

0:44:20Seems like a modern twenty tense era.

0:44:23Tom's Hardware and their view was very good

0:44:26and I've come to really enjoy their hardware reviews they're not quite to Syracuse Ian level but.

0:44:33But they're very very good in the macro view is good it's just about something that I'm not terribly interested in.

0:44:38But with that said. I know that you guys and many many of the listeners are anxious to talk about this.

0:44:43So let let me have it. So first John I'm curious. When you read it.

0:44:51What did it make you think about a potential macro purchase for yourself. To probably made me.

0:44:57Push me more towards not getting one.

0:44:59Although it puts your workers not getting one for a lot of reasons it at the same time it made me think that.

0:45:07The big reason is still how much it costs.

0:45:09As that's what it always comes down to because I would love to have a macro who wouldn't want one. Right.

0:45:13Well I can think of one of us.

0:45:14It may be a case really really good so I gave it to you for free or for some really cheap price

0:45:18or whatever you take it right because it's awesome it's a it's an amazing thing. But since it cost so much.

0:45:23I constantly have to be weighing it against my other options for similar or less money

0:45:28and learning more about this machine made me. Push me more towards. I got I have to find some alternative..

0:45:35Both in looking at the performance figures both C.P.U. and G.P.U. Have mostly G.P.U.

0:45:40And also just thinking about like it does look like is a compromise machine.

0:45:48And I think it is a compromise machine like the one thing that's really pushing me towards getting is like well you

0:45:53have the first power Mackie five and like. Don't you want the first one like the. The first cheese grater.

0:45:59The first trash can like it's my mac collecting type things

0:46:02but he goes up on the other side I'm looking at what's inside this thing.

0:46:05And there are lots of weird compromises inside there I mean he talked about the interview

0:46:09and you know the ones we've always known of are the server see views being off games

0:46:13but just the way the thing is built internally and.

0:46:15And the decisions they had to make it makes me think I'm going to spend all this money.

0:46:19And I get it I'm except these compromises in performance and stuff it doesn't really matter like

0:46:24but that just seems awkward to me like you know nothing U.S.B.

0:46:28Three and a chipset which I didn't realize until I read the review.

0:46:31Is that going to be the end of the world No but at the compromise

0:46:33and it's actually in this case it actually is a compromise or real world consequences.

0:46:38But you talk about a bit I think but it's. It's pushing me away. I think. Let's assume that it's a year from now.

0:46:44And we have to make it safe let's say it's two years from now. And we have available.

0:46:52A twenty seven inch retina I met with the screen resolution we want or a mac pro with an extra a resolution.

0:46:59And an external retina monitor with the same resolution. So we can get right now on both. So that's now.

0:47:05You know on our factor. At that point. I would have a hard time not choosing the IMAX and I think for you.

0:47:14It would be no question. You should get the Imax for what you actually want.

0:47:19I think it would be your time two years from now for me to knock at the IMAX because I'm all about.

0:47:25I'm all about the G.P.U. Marco. And that's of the reason.

0:47:28The only reason I'm looking at the thing is because I need a S.U.V. And in fact I'm saying well this.

0:47:32For this amount of money this you better be like the fastest possible and it's not

0:47:36and well you know one of things pushing me away right.

0:47:38So that I might have never going to have the best possible to be the next pros always going to have four G.B.

0:47:42Of progress hoping. You know again because the G.P.U.

0:47:44Is there are one revision back from A

0:47:47and E.'s current chips right so even there it's a compromise where they selected them. Before the new revision of the.

0:47:53You know what he called the G.C. and Corps over there came out so they have an older version there it's it's.

0:48:00I don't know I mean again it's a bit just because it cost so much money it was too grand to get one in a heartbeat.

0:48:04Like I wouldn't write and that's the thing I think for your purposes. For your expressed interest in Windows gaming.

0:48:14I mean first of all you can look doesn't use a oh great a lot has like the dual card whatever it's called for a T.I..

0:48:19CROSSFIRE X. Right. So the.

0:48:22So according to the an Antec review the MacPro is configured to do that for Windows

0:48:27but zero S ten does not support that. And that's not really that big of a problem. Oh S.

0:48:31Ten really doesn't care much about game use. And that's mostly used for games as far as I know.

0:48:37I don't think pro actually really support that very much so I could be wrong I don't know. But the point is.

0:48:42I still think that for your purposes. You would be much better served. Buying a new IMAX every two years.

0:48:49Than buying a mac pro every four or five.

0:48:52Well I'm still the other thing that I'm still thinking about is enhancing my ancient MacPro

0:48:58and various ways that it's able to be enhanced and pricing those out.

0:49:02Yeah but I don't know that that kind of feels like putting a brand new transmission into a ten year old car.

0:49:06It is a bit like that's wait to see or should I get a new car should I continue to sit up this one.

0:49:12Let's talk about some of the compromise here one of them that I was surprised about that things like I am a surprise

0:49:17about as well as the RAM on the video cards. But that you see it disabled when you're under oath ten. Yeah. I read.

0:49:26There were actually some interesting comments on the article. I don't know anything about pro G.P.U. Stuff..

0:49:31But the comments basically indicated. One of us you know quite a lot and he was saying how E.C.C.

0:49:37Unlike when it's when it's supported in the main memory chips. E.C.C.

0:49:41On on workstation video cards actually is a software implementation of it basically it's not it's not like a hardware

0:49:47difference.

0:49:47And it basically just uses the ram a little bit like a RAID five array which is like there's like a parity area

0:49:55and then a regular area so you lose some of the space in the memory and exchange for getting the benefit

0:49:59and so it's kind it's all done software and. You know it.

0:50:04It apparently is not universally praised because the last of the RAM is is a factor. I think that would should.

0:50:13But still be an issue because again with the E.C.

0:50:16He ran another reason like the mac pros is a comedy he ran it's like well who cares about that well as the amount of

0:50:21RAM that you get that you have installed increases.

0:50:23It becomes a factor it's kind of like you know bit rot maybe it's not that big a deal

0:50:27when you have a two megabyte hard disk but once you have a three terabyte hard disk.

0:50:30That same percentage of that rot assuming it's at the same and not you know. Worse. It's it's it's an issue.

0:50:36So you know when you have five twelve megabytes one gig of the Ram who cares

0:50:41when you have twelve gigs of beer I mean like well for the same reason I would like to have E.C.C.

0:50:45On my main RAM when I like also have it on my V.

0:50:47RAM but if it's a software only thing and as other compromise I can understand why Apple disabled it.

0:50:53So that that's low disappointing is I think the most disappointing thing is that the for U.S.B.

0:50:57Three ports are all connected up to a single P.C.I. Express two point zero lane.

0:51:01So you have five hundred megabytes a second. For all four of those ports combined. Which is not great for the P.C.I.

0:51:08Express let I thought was one of the most interesting parts about this because I had heard a while ago back

0:51:13when an ounce of thing somebody told me that they had heard from somebody and somebody and somebody that.

0:51:18That the reason why. There was only one S.S.D.

0:51:22In there because they have this deem ounce of the back of one of the graphics cards

0:51:25and so the obvious question is well.

0:51:27Can't they just put a second slot on the other graphics card

0:51:29and give you two S D's inside which give you a lot more capacity potential.

0:51:32And the reason that I was told back then was that they're out of P.C.I. Express lanes.

0:51:38And that's why this homely one as the that they're using all the P.C.I. Express lanes. Possible by that C.P.U.

0:51:43and Chipset for other purposes. And looking at this diagram of that looks correct there but the who the S.S.

0:51:50The has four lanes and so it's two gigabytes per second

0:51:53and it seems like the current system is a using are maybe pushing about a gigabyte a second.

0:51:58Maybe two gigs is gives it headroom for faster flash. Going forward right. But. In reason the US be.

0:52:06Thing is a problem especially a lot of the notion is before this reviewer like well if you get a macro I know

0:52:12Thunderball Harbor is very expensive or members got U.S.B. Three and U.S.B. Three is a great way to get cheap storage.

0:52:17So just hang all your storage offered U.S.B. Ports.

0:52:19You know I can do that you get one fast as the you've saturated all your entire U.S.B. Three of us.

0:52:25I guess it's just one and.

0:52:27They're out of lanes where all the going to pull lanes from if they pulled like one lane from the internalizes the

0:52:31and brought down the one point five then gave you like.

0:52:34And what's taking up most of the lanes the honkin video cards each have sixteen lanes I think I don't have the diagrams

0:52:40done in front of me so yeah and. And why you. You know it's interesting also how they're sort of multiplexing the P.C.I.

0:52:48Express. Where they have like well it's P.C.I. Express three point zero to the C.P.U.

0:52:53but It's two point zero zero to the devices and is a multiplexer so that even looks like you don't have enough

0:52:57and with the support of both the multiplexing down more than one connection into a fewer number.

0:53:01The sphere number of connection is three point zero So that's how you're able to do it.

0:53:04Lots of weird stuff going on again because U.S.B.

0:53:07Three is not in the chipset for the server chips because their generation behind.

0:53:10Thought the word stuff going on inside that box or that's on there. Well and I think the reason why they're the P.C.I..

0:53:16Express diagram tells you everything needs no. It tells you that this machine is made for Open C.L.

0:53:22That's what this is it's made for extremely high bandwidth. Between the C.P.U. and The two G.P. Use.

0:53:29And everything else is at zero and I should point and thunderbolt.

0:53:33The They're pretty generous with honorable band with. And everything else is secondary So they're telling us be three.

0:53:41Is a legacy concern. Basically it's like US beef. All of us beep three ports together.

0:53:47Share the same out of band with as the wife I chip.

0:53:50Yeah that's what I hear about what I mean but the thing is they have to do that for you know if you want to.

0:53:55If they have gig either net and for those have you know.

0:53:58One lane each for that because they have dual interfaces that make sense and I have of the Y.

0:54:03Five his wife I as well as getting up to meet in a standard than ideal conditions these days minds overhead ASBOs.

0:54:08And you know. They threw a whole bunch of the S.S.

0:54:10The assuming like storage is always going to matter and someday maybe we may have an S.S. The they can.

0:54:14They can saturate to get the second. And then whatever the home have left. Hang for U.S.B. Ports off. That.

0:54:21Well and I think it's. I think it's a safe assumption that most people's U.S.B. Devices. All taken together.

0:54:28Don't really push five hundred megabytes a second most time usually are talking about extra no platter hard drive.

0:54:34And various various others much lower devices things like. You know keyboards mice card reader stuff like that but the.

0:54:40The fast Bam with you things over U.S.B.

0:54:42Are usually just platter hard drive if you're not going anywhere near that speed.

0:54:46So I wouldn't be that concerned about that you have a U.S.B. Three or a it or like and.

0:54:52I would imagine things that it has had to do is be like the quick throw away things a little bus powered S.S.D.

0:54:57That's conceivable and you could.

0:54:58Saturate that with a with a high quality best artist as they will

0:55:01but you know they want you to use fundable for that though.

0:55:03The thing about the thunderbolt market is even in the pro market I guess they have those Pegasus raid things

0:55:09and stuff but I would be more expecting to see them like.

0:55:13I don't know where they are people buying thunderbolt storage doesn't seem like at the burgeoning market with honorable

0:55:18peripherals even in the pro space. Well but until today. The center but was not even available on the macro.

0:55:25So like all of the.

0:55:26All of thunder bolts best potential customers all these people with high end computing needs that use Macs were all

0:55:32using computers. That didn't even have been able. So I think it.

0:55:36Even though you've had dinner will ports on every other mac for a while.

0:55:39I don't think we can really judge thunderbolts of thunderbolts. You know maturity or widespread nest yet.

0:55:45Because it just came in the macro and even on the thunderbolt front

0:55:49but that's the part is doing the multiplexing where they've got these thunderbolt two things connected to what seems

0:55:55like an inadequate number of pipes back to the C.P.U. but Actually did that it would because the C.P.U.

0:56:00Talks of that bridge through P.C.I.

0:56:01Express three point zero and then the thunderbolt to his reach on a two point zero buses

0:56:05and they have this multiplexer chip in the middle it's.

0:56:07It's a pretty but I looked at all this stuff

0:56:09and figured that's all the extra crap they had to add in there like it's not just a stock Intel server motherboard

0:56:14cleverly arrange what they had to add these extra multiplexes for the thunderbolt crap and the U.S.B.

0:56:18Chip and all that of the stuff. It's a pretty amazing packaging job inside that cylinder.

0:56:23Because there's a lot of lot of extra stuff in there it's not like.

0:56:27So I could Game Cube of the board everything is so neat and tidy and you've got your you know C.B. Your G.B.U.

0:56:31and RAM and it just this beautiful little square.

0:56:33Now this stuff all over the place and connected with ribbon cables and circle shaped boards and.

0:56:38It's it's a very it is very G four cube like people made that comparison before but now having seen the guts

0:56:43and everything and how it's put together that's pretty apt.

0:56:47Yeah you know I will say that the thing that fascinated me the most about who the hell are you. I just woke up.

0:56:55The thing that fascinated me the most of the how the. The an Antec review was the talk about the.

0:57:01The multiplexers and and all and all the stuff they had to do to get all these P.C.I.

0:57:06Express Lane squared away it was it was really fascinating

0:57:08and if you've even if you're like me don't really care that much about the MacPro.

0:57:12I would encourage you to read at least that part of the review. It is really really really interesting.

0:57:17When you know

0:57:17and what they're you know you could tell by this by this layout what they are imposing here is high speed..

0:57:23Modern and future throughput. You know you have thunderbolt being connected directly to the C.P.U.

0:57:29So you know as as an end point it out

0:57:31and they reveal it that's pretty amazing that you have like this extra nl cable interface.

0:57:35Six ports in the back the basically plug directly to the C.P.U. That's pretty awesome. And so you have.

0:57:40You have that crazy interface. Plus you have these workstation class G.P. Use being able to run Open C.L. Stuff.

0:57:48Over these incredibly fast buses because one of the one of the big challenges with general purpose computing on G.P.

0:57:55Use is just getting the data back and forth in a way that doesn't make the whole thing. Take less. Take more time..

0:58:00Like if you can to do something quick in the C.P.U.

0:58:03That's going to be faster than shifting over the graphics card doing something they are shifting it back.

0:58:08So in order to make graphics card computing. Better and more useful in practice.

0:58:13You have to keep making those transfer pipes bigger and faster and.

0:58:17Clearly this machine is made specifically

0:58:20and primarily for that which is something none of us are going to use for what he thought the three of us none of us

0:58:26are really going to use that makes perfect sense in light of the demo they gave me a receipt for the macro with a

0:58:32lunchtime session. Did I don't love you the Rani you want good.

0:58:35Yeah but it's a it's a veil of the day

0:58:37but I was what I believe we sat with you know a lot of not on Earth there are a lot of maintenance meaning there's a

0:58:42look and I like so I check your nerves to make sure they're yours. But yes I was there was someone demonstrating.

0:58:50You know doing painting on a three D.

0:58:51Model some from Pixar doing some stuff for Monsters University

0:58:54and you can download from the apples developer site I think I don't not sure. But anyway.

0:58:58What they were showing there

0:59:00and they had to take pains to point out it was all it just looks like you're drawing on a three D. Model. Big deal.

0:59:05But they're drawing with like humongous textures using all twelve gigs of Ihram things that are just you know not

0:59:12possible on a regular computer just because of the sheer volume of data.

0:59:17You know we were not just doing like oh this just needs to be good enough quality to display.

0:59:22You know and a video game or something this is art work that's going to be rendered and hire as you know. Four K.

0:59:28or Whatever for a movie purposes.

0:59:31And the assets the GO INTO IT ALONE are just gigantic And so it's amazing that he can do it all right.

0:59:36But that's not what most people are doing with evil and I'm dealing with a huge volume of data.

0:59:40But that's what the machine is designed to be a small little cylinder thing that amazing kind of like the old S.G.I.

0:59:44Like the octane machines of ever read this little tiny thing that can do these amazing things with a huge volume of

0:59:50data the other machines can't do.

0:59:53So for that purposes

0:59:54and for you know if you work at Pixar seems like this is a great machine for that purpose compared to what you would

0:59:59have had to buy before to do the same thing. Yeah I don't know I mean. After I read it.

1:00:04I was a little little sour on the idea of keeping my order and not canceling it. I thought about canceling my order.

1:00:13Because it just it looks from from all accounts it looks like this is a machine with power. That I'm paying for that.

1:00:22I'm probably not going to use and. I keep thinking. You know what if one of the things I frequently do is convert.

1:00:32Videos that were Go. To watch somewhere or. RIP Louris we can watch it on the empathy with other stupid menus and all.

1:00:38You know stuff like that and or like I'll have like a giant folder of images that we shot that I want to convert

1:00:45and I'll run image magic from the command line in parallel.

1:00:49You know mashing out of the Course to do that and I think what you what if image magic. What if their Open C.L.

1:00:56Support improves and it starts becoming like five or ten times faster on this computer. I would love that.

1:01:02What if logic. Starts using Open C.L. For something that would save me tons of time and editing the show.

1:01:08What if Lightroom you know improves. It's Open C.L. Support and imports don't take us long Convergence a D.M.D.

1:01:16Don't take as long or this stuff that I do fairly frequently. That is highly paralyzed. You know I'm not going to see.

1:01:24Savings every day that are going to be noticeable. But I'm going to see you know. Maybe once or twice a week.

1:01:30But generally big savings by having lots of parallel C.P.U. Power. But the G.P.U. Side.

1:01:36Is still a big question mark and I think mostly still like half done or not done by most big software packages

1:01:42and I wonder is that going to change in the lifetime of this machine or.

1:01:47You know maybe maybe we'll be looking at buying a macro it's on the G.P.U. Power. In three to five years.

1:01:53When tons of stuff takes advantage of that maybe that would be a better idea than buying one now.

1:01:57Well you need to buy a one now just replace your current MacPro. Because what you're thinking of this way.

1:02:01Like you should think of it is what you're doing is you're getting a smaller quieter version of what you already have

1:02:06that also happens to be faster.

1:02:08Like that is another thing that pushing me towards finding a way to buy this thing is it will be better than my current

1:02:15mac. Yes.

1:02:16And it won't just be better in ways like performance wise

1:02:18and spec was a number was a little bit better in you know the touchy feely ways of being nicer to look at taking up

1:02:24less room making less noise using less power producing less heat. Maybe. Yes company producing less heat.

1:02:31It's all those advantages are there maybe you don't need to get to the seven hundred.

1:02:35You can get away with a lot of steep you but you're just you know.

1:02:38Plus you have to buy the expensive things that we can afford it's your job. You should not cancel your order.

1:02:44I guess somebody has to say I mean one thing I thought about is like is because I ordered the eight core.

1:02:50With the does seven hundred. Because the eight core is of is really great and.

1:02:54One thing I thought about was what if I just downgrade to the stock. Six core config. Plus the big.

1:03:01Plus a terabyte basically. But once you. Once you add the terabyte. And the RAM that I want thirty two kids are ram.

1:03:09Once you add those. It's not you know. It's all price relativism Yeah it's like.

1:03:14It's like fifteen hundred Our difference.

1:03:16Which is a lot of money

1:03:17but it's like well if I'm going to spend forty five hundred mobile spend six you know like I want this computer to last

1:03:25and if you look one of the great things about the N.M.

1:03:28Tech article is that it shows you how much value macros hold over time. Because the ceiling of performance.

1:03:37Really does not move very quickly.

1:03:40And the rest of the mac lineup is actually hitting a similar wall she talks about which is the thing about how single

1:03:47threaded C.P.U.

1:03:48Gains have really hit a wall and are really slowing down dramatically across the industry in desktop

1:03:54and mobile they still have a while to go. But in the desktop. We have like maxed out. Single threaded potential.

1:04:03And the only ways we can really really sickly make gains are by shrinking the process down

1:04:08and making a few little you know.

1:04:11Instruction efficiency gains here and there but it's the games are coming very slowly

1:04:15and single quarter performance so what Intel did and whatever else is doing is.

1:04:20Let's just throw more course in the die we can make the process small enough that we can make that work.

1:04:25So if you're a whole bunch more course in the die. So now we have these. Now we now you can get a quad core laptop.

1:04:31That's crazy like. Imagine that imagine telling somebody that ten years ago. That would have sounded nuts.

1:04:39But that's normal Now if you can get a four core. Laptop that's that's crazy. And. So on the desktop.

1:04:46You're basically doing. Your basically just mashing out power like how much.

1:04:52How much he can dissipate in this enclosure. That's basically it.

1:04:55And so you have these these hundred thirty watt chips. And that's your limit there.

1:05:00So you're limited basically just by. Well you've maxed out single threaded performance.

1:05:05You've put as many cores on there as you can. While still staying on the power and follow up.

1:05:09So now you're going to basically wait for minor improvements to efficiency and instruction. Level stuff.

1:05:16And process shrinks to be able to cram more on there or make it run faster and.

1:05:22So the error of having these giant jumps is gone so the C.P.U. I haven't mine was released in twenty ten.

1:05:29And the new one I get for nearly seven thousand dollars. C.P.U. I was only going to be about fifty percent faster.

1:05:39One hundred percent faster.

1:05:40Roughly in multi-threaded but singlehood only about fifty percent faster.

1:05:43and that's like I kind of expected more for a twenty ten C.P.U. Go into a twenty thirteen C.P.U.

1:05:50Well I think that what you would feel more as the storage speed I don't know it's be addressing the as whatever that

1:05:54these are the same do seem reasonably fast

1:05:56and that would probably get you more a day to day experience Apple to its credit as that point that it is trying to

1:06:03walk the walk with its software.

1:06:05Heavily optimizing final coverage of the application to keep showing in their own advertising for like a bio macro

1:06:10guess I'll cut you know what the four K. Video support. They're trying to use all the G.P.U.

1:06:15With Final Cut they are using the C.P.U. and The G.P.U. Is not just a G.P.S.

1:06:18Not it's that they're trying to use all the harbor that they've built. So if this.

1:06:22If you're not talk about my are some places a piece of software that Apple makes this trying to to be tailored for the

1:06:27macro it seems like Final Cut is the flagship there but other software less so

1:06:32but if in the case of other software it's like well. At least you won't have any you know it's got fast memory.

1:06:38Got a lot of it. Your. You won't be.

1:06:40Processes will be waiting on a core of your by one of the miles with the boss of course in hybrid writing

1:06:44and everything it's still it was still feel to difficulties now here and in a smaller package like make less noise

1:06:50and everything like that and the G.P.U. Is not bad.

1:06:53In terms of like what it does the normal you know what he wanted G.B.

1:06:57For what do I already have just gaming or boring stuff like that it's. It's fine.

1:07:01It does pretty well like it's up there with the big boys G.P. Use is how the top of the stack of the big boys G.P. Use.

1:07:07But it's OK. But for the price of a macro you could buy a like. Seven high end P.C.'s but the same video card and them.

1:07:17And that's kind of. That's kind of depressing. But what I keep telling you to do.

1:07:21Well I don't want to I don't want to P.C. and We don't need seven you can just buy one.

1:07:24Well suppose you think is the like. Looking at in terms of G.P.U.

1:07:28Performance or gaming it's great that it has a crossfire and windows and stuff like that but it.

1:07:33What I'm comparing it to upgrading my thing or not the parents and I think it's like this the still.

1:07:39The seven hundred still stomp all over the I'm like you know. So that's just.

1:07:45I keep looking and I'm at pricing it out it ends up being like we did it before like three grand

1:07:49and not really great for my purposes. So I keep just looking it. Can I hold out another year.

1:07:55Can I put stuff on that protocol that another year

1:07:57and I want to expect another year the new C.P.U.'s might not even be able to maybe they'll be able to read the G.P.

1:08:01Use because then they'll have you know it's like the G.P.U. Rev fine just swapping the new G.P.S.

1:08:06Should be that big a deal maybe lower the price a little bit because he'd do use aren't updated

1:08:09and you kind of offering the same machines or maybe you can bring the price down. I don't know.

1:08:13I don't know what I'm going for I haven't I haven't decided yet but that like half of me look the G.P.U.

1:08:19Benchmarks and goes like if your current mac with on there wouldn't show up in the diagram.

1:08:23Would be like one pixel where the one pixel wide line. Or did not finish like isn't that why do I care that.

1:08:29OK so it's not as fast as the very fast is G.P.U. Combine any computer ever. Right now. But it's in the ballpark right.

1:08:37And then never ask me it's like when I just get as many people suggested a high end G.P.U.

1:08:42and Jam it into my current MacPro civets of what you should care about it we should all care about ignoring the gaming

1:08:49stuff is what is the retina a situation like on That.

1:08:53Problem we already discussed how it can drive the big quad twenty seven inch display as it doesn't exist. Because of.

1:08:59What he called the sport limitations and stuff. And we don't even know that it can't do that with the.

1:09:04There isn't a display out there of that resolution to test with right and maybe you could do a link or whatever.

1:09:09But the question was all right so say you buy one of these four K.

1:09:12Displays that Apple offers you from Sharper whatever. Can you run it in retina mode. And the answer seems to be.

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1:11:59So retina. Yeah not so much. Moving on. This is a part of has me a little bit worried. So. So what and found was.

1:12:12At the monitor that comes with the.

1:12:14Yet works fine but it's for the same reason that I didn't order one and I think you probably wouldn't either.

1:12:19That for K. At thirty two inches. Is Too many pixels for its size. To be useful at one X..

1:12:28but Not really enough to be useful to X. It's. It's basically useful for four K.

1:12:35Video editors to see an output of their four K. Video.

1:12:38But as a general purpose display this clearly is not a great solution.

1:12:43And what's interesting So Dell recently released.

1:12:46There's a few the companies that do this but

1:12:47but the most popular ones for a while are going to be these ones from Dell that it's like the you P.

1:12:54Twenty four Q something. They have the worst product names. It's Dell's twenty four inch. Four K.

1:13:00Display and it's only twelve hundred bucks. So it's. We talked about it before my going to into it.

1:13:07But that apparently he got one of those from Dell for the review and he plugged it into the mac pro

1:13:12and it was just garbled and didn't work right. And so it appears as though.

1:13:16You know this all the standard that we talked about two to like multiplex two signals into either one cable

1:13:23or into two cables that go into one monitor and have the O.S.C.

1:13:27Industry different monitors and then merge it in software so it behaves properly to overcome various limitations

1:13:32and stuff like that to be able to get these super higher resolutions on one monitor and. It sounds like Apple.

1:13:39Kind of made special support for the sharp one to work they're selling and didn't make any support for this Dell one.

1:13:46And that. That's worrying because that means. Well.

1:13:51It's worrying in that this is not going to be a question you can't just buy any for him monitor

1:13:57and plug it in expected to work right. So that's a problem right there that all service also rules out.

1:14:02These particular monitors which if you wanted.

1:14:05Dual twenty four hours or a single twenty four instead of a big twenty seven or thirty.

1:14:10You could have written the today if this monitor worked. But it doesn't. So you can't and.

1:14:16There's no saying whether it will. In the future..

1:14:18So you say that even on the sharp one you couldn't put it in the high D.P. IMO Though it. Two X.

1:14:23And I think he said he hacked it but it would only do.

1:14:27Like one to one Heidi P.-I node so it was like like exact So it was one hundred twenty by by ten eighty.

1:14:33So they wouldn't. Or whatever it is so it wouldn't. I thought what he said that it wouldn't even do that one.

1:14:38They wouldn't do that mode. No it did that but everything was too big of course and.

1:14:44The problem was he couldn't get any of the scaling modes to work the ones where it likes.

1:14:48Where it renders it higher than scale to the native pixels the way the macro does.

1:14:51He couldn't get any of those working. So yes so basically for Britain to use the current sharp There are two inches.

1:14:58Is not what really anybody's looking for. And the Dell which is what a lot of people are looking for doesn't work.

1:15:04And it might never work it might work next week who knows we don't know the other could be driver issues to sort that.

1:15:10out so I don't think it's hopeless on this front but like what do you think the support these four K.

1:15:14Displays through a single cable is a multi stream supported which was it seems like it was originally designed so you

1:15:20can daisy chain monitors together so you'd have a thunderbolt like go into one monitor

1:15:23and then added a modern to a second monitor.

1:15:26So you have to send two monitors for the signal down this one thunderbolt despite how it's doing just multi stream

1:15:31things they make single Monder that consumes two streams and displays them in the right place

1:15:35and that's why you might need some kind of driver support to correctly talk to the monitor using multiple streams I

1:15:41know I'm standing within a modest in power we have a both of these images are for you

1:15:44and here's how you should arrange them in display them and synchronise

1:15:46and all that stuff so it's again to talk about a compromise machine.

1:15:51Are the standards out there ready now for for even just existing four K.

1:15:55Displays let alone a quad twenty seven size thing the answer is No they're not like display part one point two can.

1:16:00handle those those types of resolution. And even a plain old four K.

1:16:04It's kind of a hack on top of the multi stream support to get this resolution to a modern monitor dependent so again

1:16:09that looks like a compromise machine not sort of. We wait until we can do it all cleanly and elegantly and here it is.

1:16:16They didn't.

1:16:17And they did it however that whatever they did what they had to do

1:16:20but all these areas we were just that close just so close to getting everything the way it's supposed to be more not

1:16:26quite there yet. Exactly and. So you know the big question is Will. Will Apple release.

1:16:34The display we want anytime soon. First of all and what they do will even be compatible with this macro and.

1:16:41We don't really know that yet still think her bio on the. Maybe to some you know. I mean and I did.

1:16:49I did I do keep my order because you know looking at this.

1:16:53Assuming that nothing comes out that's going to make something really incompatible.

1:16:58You know you can look at his and his C.P.U. Charts to see the progress of macros over the years.

1:17:03How how slow it really is the side effect of that you know one thing is you should almost never buy two macros in a row.

1:17:11Like you should almost always skip generations. But the.

1:17:16You by one it lasts a long time and

1:17:18when you're ready to sell it's still worth something which is true of all Max usually

1:17:22but I'm in particular the macros really hold their value very well and. So I want to buy this computer.

1:17:29That's going to last me. At least two years of being top of the line.

1:17:34And probably four or five years of usability of of still being a high performance computer.

1:17:40Relative to new software for at least four or five years.

1:17:43If I still choose to use it for that long which I might not maybe I'd sell.

1:17:46Before then but because you know it's a joke I sell everything ha ha.

1:17:49And if I choose to use it for a long time I can you know you like John you're using your two thousand and eight macro.

1:17:56And it's fine it's going to get things like it's going to go even longer Yeah like A

1:18:01but I would say if you're buying if you're buying the machine. Buy it for what it can do for you today.

1:18:05Like don't buy it with the expectation that you're going to be doing a five thousand buy something screen is maybe you

1:18:10never will

1:18:11but if you want a small quiet powerful computer that's faster than any existing macro that drives your existing

1:18:17monitors a non-reading resolution. And that you can use for years and years and not feel like you have slow machine.

1:18:22This is it.

1:18:23But if you're buying it with the expectation then in a short time I'll be able to connect up this amazing new display

1:18:29and all these maybe you won't maybe you will be like Don't know but for that purpose like the two thousand

1:18:33and eight mac. Pro I don't know what I was thinking in terms of.

1:18:37You know what it would do but what it's doing now is them doing it was doing

1:18:40and they want to try to say monitor it's running. Similar software with similar features.

1:18:45It doesn't do anything amazing you're just keep doing what it always did very well and is amazing.

1:18:50Problem free and is very expendable

1:18:52and all those good things going for it still may be able to be under my desk here for another year. On this topic.

1:19:00We got a good question from a person who gave their name as a gains. And he's here she said.

1:19:08Can you talk about why you guys would never use an Imax for work development etc I think it has many advantages to the

1:19:14pros and MacBook so.

1:19:16This fits right in here with like you know why we buy macros and why we like macros

1:19:20and why John refused to buy an IMAX even though it actually surface needs way better and be way shape or time.

1:19:25Not that I'm bitter but you know I think. If you have never used a macro. You're fine.

1:19:32Keep not using them it's like using a giant monitor. Well when to use one. You're ruined.

1:19:37And you will keep wanting to buy those big expensive things but you know and IMAX or a laptop. They're fine.

1:19:43If I had to use those things. I would use those things.

1:19:48The macro is just better in a few in a few pretty key ways for what I do.

1:19:53And you know people always say Oh do do I need X. or Y. For development. Most developed meant.

1:20:00Especially if you're doing web development.

1:20:03You're just typing into a text editor yet there's very few like I.D.E.'s that are really going to stress the computer

1:20:08for any modern hardware.

1:20:10If you're doing web development you can do it on pretty much anything you can do it on eleven inch MacBook Air if you

1:20:15want to it you can do it on anything it doesn't matter. Screen space is always nice to have. But performance wise.

1:20:21It doesn't matter we're using for weapon violent for i OS development. You can. You can do it and everything else. You.

1:20:29Again you need a lot of screen space. Especially for i Pad development and. And for Iowa stuff.

1:20:35Xcode is a bit of a hog so if there's a lot of smart things that it will do I don't know if this applies to the other

1:20:41big I do use the market like Eclipse or all the windows crap I don't know. I don't know that applies to that stuff but.

1:20:46But I.D.E.'s can be very heavy and slow. Also just the compilation process is not.

1:20:53Quick if you have a major project reviews and big libraries in and so you can start doing performance bottlenecks.

1:20:59When doing I.I.S. Development but even then if you do with an eye on a modern math book pro or a mac you're fine.

1:21:06You're not going to see massive gains.

1:21:08In most cases for most projects by going to a macro I think using it to die us

1:21:14or MAC development very easily if you if you get a mac mini with an S.S.D. and Stuff it full ram.

1:21:19I guess it's going to be the fastest now it's not going to the fastest you're going to wait a little longer

1:21:23but if you don't have another mac to compare it to you don't know how long a compile would take on a macro you just.

1:21:27It's like it's fine as is the lots of RAM big screen

1:21:30and you can get away with an AK many I know plenty of buy with developers who made.

1:21:34Amazing great apps in the first mac was that many and that's why they did all the development on.

1:21:39Once you get a faster mac then you realize OK I can go back to I can go back to developing on that mag many.

1:21:44But you can get it done that's that's the amazing thing about development is the bottom of the bottom of the line Mac..

1:21:49Can physically speaking do development where they used to be like you needed to have the super high.

1:21:53You know Lisa to develop for the Macas you need more RAM and you know.

1:21:56So it's like

1:21:58when I say can you do development in IMAX Of course you can of course you can do development back in fact most people

1:22:03probably should do development on that because you don't need a macro for that you definitely on the macro to compile.

1:22:09stuff can the compiler is not using your G.P.U. Yet not yet anyway. Also consider that in the new versions of X.

1:22:16Code What is the.

1:22:18I forget what they call it

1:22:19but they basically have this system by which you can compile regularly on a completely different computer which I

1:22:25believe.

1:22:26It was basically that they never came out said it was basically designed for Mack many do you know you guys know what

1:22:30I'm thinking of you know they get continuous integration thing it's the Jenkins report on Jenkins Yeah you know yeah

1:22:37yeah that's not just you're talking about distributed builds which they used to have yes distributed builds I'm sorry I

1:22:43don't know if they still do have

1:22:44and then there's ways to farm out if you're you know that's one of the reasons why a lot of the mac development shops

1:22:50can get away with giving the developers less powerful comparison you have a bunch of spare hardware

1:22:54and you can set it up as a continuous continuous integration farm and have a doing your bills

1:22:58and everything like that basically bands this guys question.

1:23:02The IMAX can do everything they can do everything you would want to do

1:23:06and in many cases they can do it extremely well the only thing.

1:23:09The only few things that you would suffer for having an Aquarius. If you're game or you will suffer because the G.P.U.

1:23:15Is not. If you care about super duper fast. That's three D. Games and full resin blah blah.

1:23:21You're not going to get that of an IMAX P.C. At that point. Yeah. Well or a game console or whatever.

1:23:27And if you're doing something that requires this big massive G.P.

1:23:30Use for non-gaming purposes like you're doing MY or Final Cut four K.

1:23:34Video or any other applications it takes advantage of all the G.P.U. Power.

1:23:39That's when you need a MacPro but I'm actually pews are faster and single threaded and that pros for the most part.

1:23:45If you buy the super high end one so that's like IMAX A really are amazing machines and..

1:23:49Just because I don't want to get one because I don't want to have a when the G.P.U.

1:23:53That's like the edgiest of edge cases like the I'm like is a great desktop machine for anybody.

1:24:00And it's getting better all the time now the you know one thing goes completely as they like the fusion drive seems to

1:24:06be great but I did see some reports in the web about it having trouble with audio recording which gave me some pause

1:24:12but anyway in a couple of years.

1:24:14The spinning this will be gone from the i Macin to probably be even thinner just be amazing fantasy.

1:24:19Future computer type thing. Everyone.

1:24:21That's the machine that everyone should look at when you go into the Apple Store don't look at the macros.

1:24:25They're way too expensive. Look at the I Mexico and US top machine.

1:24:29That said there's a few so I want to I wrote in some post this week couple days ago I forget which one that.

1:24:36That I have that in our household we've had. And i Mac.

1:24:39We've had multiple laptops and we've had a few macros over the over the years.

1:24:44And I've regretted buying almost all of them except the macro. The my private have are granted a macro purchase and.

1:24:54One of the reasons is how these things. Age.

1:24:56And what happens at the end of their life and how soon that the end of their useful life.

1:25:01Comes the laptops and the i Macs are at the MAC many

1:25:07but we have all I did have one of those I sold it after a year at them Benjamin.

1:25:10Because I tried to have like this cause a computer to do accessories tasks and turns out that sucks.

1:25:16And it's really a pan pin the but so I didn't do it anymore but when it's very clear when using these computers.

1:25:25That these are consumer grade parts. And that they're you know if they're made to be used by one household.

1:25:32For a few years. And then they're basically worthless and they're made to be discarded donated a recycled. And so it.

1:25:42Certain things don't age very well.

1:25:44I've had with I'm actually are I might have a couple of screen issues especially about the time it was like three years

1:25:48old and had had some some various screen issues that.

1:25:52It was out of warranty a rational one out of warranty like part of the screen had like a deadline

1:25:57and stuff like that there was a queer stuff. And.

1:26:01And there was like this big giant pile of hard drives hanging out the back of it because we couldn't get to the

1:26:07internal one easily enough to upgrade it and needed more performance out of the disk I O.

1:26:12and The ram was maxed out and we wanted more RAM and we couldn't do it and.

1:26:18Whenever it would get under load it with the fan which been up and you'd hear it. So.

1:26:23And most that applies to laptops as well. And so some of those needs are removed or minimize now. Disk I O.

1:26:32Is a great example. Disguise or used to suck. Now it's great because the cities are everywhere. And so you know.

1:26:40There's less of a difference as Estes closed the gap tremendously.

1:26:43Between the kind of reforms you can get out of a big desktop

1:26:46and what you can get everywhere else especially in laptops. Close the Gap tremendously.

1:26:50So that's great but all those limitations are still there. If a screen goes bad in an IMAX or macro.

1:26:58You're screwed you hope you better hope some the warranty.

1:27:03If you want to change the screen size or upgrade it two years in. You're screwed you can't do it. If you will.

1:27:11If you had to buy a computer today. And you want to read in a monitor.

1:27:16Well tough luck you know you better buy a read a map a pro but even then like the current Retina MacBook Pro.

1:27:22Probably won't be able to drive.

1:27:24The panel that we're talking about over thunderbolt two unless it was made for and they didn't never mention it

1:27:29but there's a special stuff on the macro navel as I don't think the retina MacPro has that. At least not sixty hertz.

1:27:36So if you want to buy a computer today. That will last you. Very happily for the next two to four years.

1:27:46The macro is it. The IMAX might. But you're taking a lot of risk there and at the end.

1:27:52You can sell a three or four year old MacPro for over a thousand bucks. Easily and.

1:27:59The three year old I get maybe you know maybe a few hundred. You know you're not talking a whole lot there.

1:28:04And the I met might have more problems that you can't get to means

1:28:08and some of that is minimized now from from the reduction of hard drives the like that.

1:28:13but there's still a lot of those cases where over time. You might come to regret having chosen the i Mac. If you.

1:28:22If you have high end needs.

1:28:24Now that's also almost think that the high

1:28:26and i Macs are kind of a sucker's bet because they cost the cost so much money like you can.

1:28:30You can push an IMAX up towards four grand. Well you can go right past four grand you can..

1:28:35If you if you can figure the i Mac. With the same hardware as the cheapest macro.

1:28:40Like or as close as you can get to the same hardware. It's not that different in price it's.

1:28:44It's like I think I said on my site somewhere think it's like five hundred bucks difference at that point.

1:28:48Now of course you get the free monitor mix in but plan for the my program to do G.P. Use and feel like there's.

1:28:53It's end of the higher and Thunderbolt more thunderbolt ports. The dual net reports if you'll ever use that.

1:29:00There's a lot more advantages to the macro that partially offset that screen thing.

1:29:05And if you have those kind of needs

1:29:06and if you find yourself like I was you find yourself in the I'm at configurator cranking everything up.

1:29:11Then it's probably time to look another scene I think the sweet spot of the I AM act is kind of in the middle range

1:29:15where what you're getting is you're getting a computer that you're going to run I life apps on

1:29:20and browse the web you're getting a really nice looking big screen

1:29:23and you getting like a sealed little thing that just looks like a monitor with like a wireless keyboard

1:29:26and mouse attached. And that's all to ever going to being you're going to use it like that to the day it dies..

1:29:30And that's where I think regular people can easily get for five years and i Mac.

1:29:35There's a never going to touch anything else to it.

1:29:37Maybe they'll never going to have a need to create any of the ports except maybe some U.S.B.

1:29:41Dongles is just going to be this sleek sealed.

1:29:44Silver panel with a nice screen on to look at and they do their computer stuff

1:29:48and it's got more than enough storage to in there to last them forever you get a fusion drive.

1:29:53Three terabyte the never going to fill that it's reasonably priced it seems nice

1:29:56and snappy for the three apps they use all the time they're never going to upgrade the never going to care about the

1:30:00G.P.U. The never going to touch anything to it that's your good deal.

1:30:04Once you start cranking that stuff up and you've got a for ray machine do like to argue that you are more like oh

1:30:08but i gotta have more better and. It's not that's not a more better machine because you will go start to get the itch.

1:30:13A couple years down the line of wanting to do more and well I've already maxed out there

1:30:16and I haven't a more right now I can have written and everyone else has it

1:30:19and the people who just have their IMAX sitting on their desk as their little home computer.

1:30:23Don't care about those things and for them it's a great machine. Or if you just you know.

1:30:28You don't have the kind of mind upgrade.

1:30:30Just going to development

1:30:31and I think you can get five years out of an American middle range where he'd be perfectly happy with it.

1:30:36Yeah I mean it depends on what you're doing and.

1:30:39Like I know myself well enough to know that if I bought an IMAX instead of a macro.

1:30:44First of all as soon as there's a retina monitor I would. I would feel like an idiot. So if you know.

1:30:50For For me the the the value option would be to just wait until it's a retina IMAX and buy that

1:30:58but I'm not sure we're getting that this year I don't know I mean if you look at where the technology is where the

1:31:04pricing is for these panels and G.P.U.

1:31:06Driving them and stuff like that I would necessarily say right now i Macin twenty fourteen is a sure thing.

1:31:12I don't think so either. I mean probably twenty fifteen by MAC I bet a lot but we'll have it then. But twenty fourteen.

1:31:19I don't know I would I would give it may be maybe a fifty percent chance of happening.

1:31:24Can I ask a really stupid question. Why. Why is redness so important.

1:31:30And before you answer what I mean by that is what. Now they took me six. You're doing anyway sorry. Moving on.

1:31:41So the reason I ask is because the obvious trump card answer is you just want more real estate for developing right now

1:31:48apps but what. That's my little it's good looks good to see.

1:31:52And that maybe it's just because I have terrible lives

1:31:54but at a distance in which I sit from say take my high rez anti-glare pre Retina MacBook Pro.

1:32:03I can tell the difference between a retina macro pro-ana not written a macro pro but it is not night

1:32:09and day difference and.

1:32:10I don't find it to be as agree Jason as frustrating as you do and it doesn't make you wrong

1:32:15and it doesn't make me right it's just to me it seems like an odd thing that you're so obsessed over.

1:32:21And I don't know if maybe that's a statement rather than a question. It's. It's that good. I mean it's.

1:32:27So I work a lot with text which looks awesome on retina. And I work a lot with images. When you see a photo like.

1:32:36It's so funny I so I take my laptop and we go on trips of course and. I'll take up take a little camera and up.

1:32:44All import the photos all I'm still on the trip to look into light were Missi have to turn out

1:32:48and maybe play with them a post one. And I see these photos on my retina screen.

1:32:53On the laptop and like wow these photos are amazing. I can't believe how good this is look at how great this looks.

1:33:00And then I get home an important my desktop and they just look so drab and disappointing

1:33:05and part of it's going to monitor is driving disappointing.

1:33:07But part of it's also that massive resolution difference and men make such a difference. Present the web like I'm.

1:33:14I was resigning my site this week and just giving it like a new fun a few minor updates and.

1:33:19And like looking just looking at text that closely for a while.

1:33:23Just text looks like sucks crap on non retina once you see.

1:33:28It's just one of the things it really is a very big difference.

1:33:33When you're when you're doing certain things and a lot you know just like. If you look at the i Pads.

1:33:37You know we talked before about how a lot of people don't see the difference with the retina.

1:33:41I Pads versus the old ones or.

1:33:43They don't care or they can like they can vaguely Well I guess to text a sharper or something

1:33:47but they don't really care for a lot of people it's going to be true. Forever and they won't care.

1:33:53I'm one of the people who cares shockingly. And you know I'm sure. I'm sure John is. Similarly observant and picky.

1:34:01And so you know. We like i care and if you don't care.

1:34:06That's great you're going to save a bunch of money of the next few years by not care. Or by selecting to go.

1:34:11No it's not that I don't care it's.

1:34:13I think maybe it's just that because I've never used a retina computer for any duration of time more than like ten

1:34:20minutes.

1:34:21I maybe it's just ignorance and maybe I just don't realize what I'm missing

1:34:25and again I can absolutely recognize that that it is better it's not that I don't recognize that it's just I don't know

1:34:34it to me it didn't make a big difference. And I think that's because I'm not sitting with this display.

1:34:41Between four and twelve inches from my face like I do with my i Pad or my i Phone.

1:34:48But I mean if I it whenever I get another computer. It will surely be some sort of retina.

1:34:53Mac book pro

1:34:54and ask me again after a month what's that maybe I'll tell you the me asking that question was the dumbest thing I've

1:35:00ever done but sitting here now not knowing any better. I just don't see why it's that big a deal.

1:35:05Here's how I think about it if. If you're into technology. Like I am and I think I we all are high technology.

1:35:13Kind of advances in fits and starts and there is little discontinuity isn't if your technology nerd you never run.

1:35:18Because on the other side of the discontinuity you want to be using like.

1:35:22Whatever the new thing is on the other side of that the next little leap. You want to be there living in the future.

1:35:27Right so. Monitor. Resolution size is a. One example where monitors. Were you know. Got color.

1:35:35And that was a big discount you know you like oh you have a monochrome display you want to call if you knew color

1:35:38displays existed. You clearly knew that a every display was going to be colored pretty soon. Right.

1:35:44And so that's like it's going to happen color monitors are coming.

1:35:47It's not like this forever there will be black you know and be that you want to have one of those

1:35:51and you want you want to be living in the future now if someone's out there has got a color monitor for your enjoying

1:35:55color monitor type games and you're still in black and white you feel bad you want to you want to see the new thing.

1:36:00And then the miners got bigger and the pixels got smaller and they had this kind of incrementally getting bigger

1:36:04and bigger and smaller unflattering bigger of flatness is another thing.

1:36:07Flat panels are out if you want to have that gigantic twenty one inch C.R.T. On your desk taking up all that room.

1:36:13If black ones exist I was a notice got no you want to be any of the side of that.

1:36:17And you want to get there as soon as possible

1:36:18when can I change my life from a person who has gigantic C.R.T.'s to person who has no gigantic C.R.T.

1:36:23You know that everyone's going to be like that you know C.R.T.'s are going away you want to be in the other side of

1:36:27well.

1:36:28Retinas the next one of those things of the monitor the flat panel monitors get bigger and better and bigger

1:36:32and better. And then all of a sudden this is this continuity. For X.

1:36:36The number of pixels this not just like a little bit bigger that's just a total change like a qualitative change in you

1:36:41know there are everything's going to be right and I just know it like it's going to happen. Right.

1:36:45And you're like oh let me.

1:36:47I want to be living in the future there will be else I don't want to wait only the last person to get it to get a color.

1:36:51to. The army the last person to get a flat panel T.V.

1:36:54I want to be among the first I want to live in the future

1:36:57and with this amazing new thing you have to balance that with Layo maybe the first flat panel T.V.'s are bad

1:37:01or the first high definition television is still see Artie's or whatever your problem is there.

1:37:05But that's the thing that's driving me

1:37:07and I you know I want to that's another reason I get a MacPro I want to see what is it like to be on the cutting edge

1:37:14of technology to have the fastest best you know most amazing thing.

1:37:18But tempering that with like When is the right time to buy when do I want to compromise

1:37:22and she doesn't want what I want to until they have it all sorted out.

1:37:24You know that's that's a balance I'm going for and like my eyesight is good enough to see the difference in retina.

1:37:31I would never go back to not run I was divisive I would be crazy

1:37:33and I think a he would agree with that now you can't hold a nun retina phone up to your face in your me like good now

1:37:39you can forget it and even i Pad. I would not use a mini when I was in red and I don't like them in any way but yeah.

1:37:45But the monitors it's in my suffering. But I now have a run on one. No but if I know that other people are out there.

1:37:50It pains me even the people the laptops to get to look at a retina screen all day

1:37:54and I don't like that's the way everything is going and I want to be there with them.

1:37:57And so that's I think that's the big driving factor it has to do with not whether you can tell the difference in retina.

1:38:02Now whether you find it more comfortable or you can appreciate red Never ever.

1:38:06I think mostly as a do with being interested in technology

1:38:10and wine to sort of like to live in the future with your jetpack. You know.

1:38:13And if other people are doing it

1:38:15and you're not you feel like you're missing out because having futuristic things is cool

1:38:18and exciting is it for two people who like technology. Right and not that genuinely does make sense. I guess.

1:38:26I'm trying I'm struggling to find a way to properly explain but to me. It makes sense to want retina. Marco's dying.

1:38:36Urgency to get it now now now that.

1:38:40I don't share that with the them thing and it doesn't mean I'm right doesn't mean he's wrong.

1:38:44I just don't see what did originally need is to have it yesterday. Other than that it's new and shiny.

1:38:49Well that there's a hierarchy of things that you need in your life

1:38:52and Marcus at the point in the hierarchy where Breton as actually really near the top of the stuff. Well I also.

1:38:59You know I because I have the right and I put proof for travel every time I travel

1:39:04and then come back I'm like oh I get back to my old monitor it's terrible.

1:39:08You're lowering it halfway it's like if you know. If you had a bunch of flat panel displays but also one giant C.R.T.

1:39:14Monitor and every time you come back to you just want to be like oh oh this thing again. I mean.

1:39:20Granted this is not like you know this is not a severe problem and in life world simply speaking but.

1:39:24But you know John's right like. You know we. We've come of course we've come past all these like major changes..

1:39:30You know. In computing and I think. I think S.S. D.S. And Heidi P.R.

1:39:35Kind of happening at the same time it has to be as easy a couple years ahead and. And I've crossed the S.S.T.

1:39:41Point I've I've chopped down my storage needs. On my desktop so that I can have all S.S.D.

1:39:47Storage I don't need to use fusion drive. Which is good because I try to use drive and it was. It was inconsistent.

1:39:52And which is a problem. That's probably why it's a problem for audio recording is that. It's insane consistent.

1:39:59And so you know Heidi P.R. Is use You're right it's the next big thing and after that like. I'd not seeing any obvious.

1:40:08Next big thing that's going to change.

1:40:10Computer hardware for a while and then I'm not saying there's never going to be one that would be short sighted but

1:40:15but there is an obvious one. Coming up shortly. Memory unification. You think. Well. Yeah sure.

1:40:22That's the that's the next obvious move.

1:40:24I mean it's not going to be anytime soon but like if you look at the way a modern computer is made

1:40:28and used to create your eyes a little bit like this is ridiculous.

1:40:31Let's course those diagrams together and they go in that everything's better. I mean the way.

1:40:36The way we're doing it now so to be clear you're talking about similar to how the X. Box One was designed the first X.

1:40:43Box one. Know nothing nothing about it will be so much of the first acts of the C.P.U. and G.P.U.

1:40:50Both shared one giant fast bank of the ram.

1:40:53And so there was no separate video RAM

1:40:55and main RAM It was just one big bank a fast ram that everything has good access to is that we're talking about game

1:41:00console have been like that on the playstation the same with old lunch Advair

1:41:03but I'm talking more about like memory unification across. You know disk. Going to go disk and and RAM storage.

1:41:10You know some maybe you're right maybe it'll come first as like the stuff of the Playstation

1:41:13and all the other game consuls it was like having a single pull of memory. Between the C.P.U. and G.P.U.

1:41:19Because that's kind of silly going to but thirty two gigs of RAM in your mac pro

1:41:22and then twelve digger hanging off the G.P.U.

1:41:24when There are important technical reasons for it now but it would be nice if you had virtualize.

1:41:30You know video memory and once.

1:41:32Video memories virtualize of them why do you have to separate pools of virtualize memory want to be nice if you could

1:41:35combine them and then. God knows what the processes will be and we could have you know we already have integrated G.B.

1:41:40Use they keep getting bigger so eventually end up with a situation where you have your computer

1:41:44and your big pool of RAM and the next one as you had your computer big pull RAM

1:41:48and your storage all unified into a single memory space.

1:41:52And that you can make especially especially a process us to continue to shrink.

1:41:57You can make some very interesting computing devices where everything is addressable as a sixty four bit.

1:42:03Address somewhere and some big virtualize pool of RAM and. That's your disk and that's your V.

1:42:09RAM and that's your main memory and that's your everything. That's.

1:42:13I would never have assumed that would be a thing that would happen. Just because of the economies it's like.

1:42:18Like that's like saying that eventually everything is going to be L to cash.

1:42:22You know

1:42:23or everything's going to be a register taken to the extreme it's like you know it's never really going to happen to get

1:42:27the various economies. Not that will happen. We will we will live to see what I just described.

1:42:33I think of it I mean like the past that we've already seen video game consuls that's not fantasy like APCO by

1:42:39Playstation four. You have to keep and D.V.R. Five. Quote unquote of Ihram is the entire RAM for the system.

1:42:44Like it's one big thing. Right. The hardest one is bridging the disk.

1:42:48Ram barrier where the storage thing

1:42:50but if we all live long enough that will inevitably happen to because certainly we all agree that spinning disk.

1:42:56Are gone goodbye. Right. And so now we have a series of chips with addressable memory using different technologies.

1:43:02That's fine you're going to have a higher. Is only going to register as L one L to L three. Flash. You know. DRAM like.

1:43:09Whatever the technologies are in the hierarchy. That will be there but like that's I'm talking.

1:43:14You know distant future stuff like as well as we're on our deathbeds the unified single chip everything.

1:43:20Addressable as ramble. Machine will probably be out.

1:43:24And will be complaining and doesn't support some new read this book welding

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1:43:43They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. With accidental. John.

1:43:54Casey would because it was that was a dental was that accidental and you today.

1:44:13And he well no sense that that's key list and the old and team article. Are limited.

1:44:26Let's say they really key is why that the mayor eating so small can't get thing on these things..

1:44:45That's all we care about is the accessibility features or old hot or you can about the X.

1:44:50The accessibility zoom but

1:44:52when I don't have my contact lenses in that's the only way I can see a computer from any reasonable distance

1:44:57and I'm not trying to be funny at all it's going to wait until you get a little bit older because as you get older you

1:45:02hear fish starts to get worse in the other direction and suddenly you can start to see close up a little bit better.

1:45:08Well the well the way I'm headed Naam looking at corneal transplant for my future so anything any any time I can buy

1:45:15and so like you just get some dead guy's eyeballs was is a is a positive improvement that the ones with lasers.

1:45:21I'll get right on I think. But the thing about the options that the person selected it's going to the B.M.W.

1:45:28Dealer told weather package display.

1:45:31I'm getting that definitely part of the premium package for those you got to get a spoiler in your butt in this.

1:45:41You guys are going to make great Old Men I really hope I still know you and talk to you regularly

1:45:45when we're all like ancient. Because it's going to be hilarious and by that time. Nobody else will care to listen.

1:45:52But it'll be funny. Oh I genuine and I'm not trying to be funny not trying to be snarky I genuinely.

1:45:57Cannot wait until MLE because then I can then I have a nice little man thing to save

1:46:03and that's what I have all I can have an excuse for going to bed early. I think I have an excuse for eating early.

1:46:08I can be the curmudgeon.

1:46:09Bastard that I really want to be

1:46:11and get away with it instead of just getting yelled at for ruining the fun about the mac pro.

1:46:15Oh it's going to be fantastic I can't wait. So what you're saying is you. You look forward to getting old.

1:46:20So it justifies all of your existing behavior. Basically yes. Also I plan on buying a nine hundred sixty S. Era Buick.

1:46:29And just driving into people that don't use their signals. Because one hundred sixty S. Are you excited. Invincible.

1:46:35I mean what could possibly harm an one thousand nine hundred sixty S.

1:46:38Buick they weigh eighty five tons of a crumpled up like a house of cards the death traps are going to be some like one

1:46:45thousand five hundred pound smart cars going to crush or being towed by moment John.

1:46:52You know what actual car crash tests are like there now I know we want to do titles. Oh Wayne Dixon pet cemetery style.

1:47:01What did when Dixon do wrong. When Dixon like your chat. Your titles and Justin. Cemetery. Yeah.

1:47:10Kyle Cronin it's got it's got to be an ass.

1:47:13That clearly don't know what you're talking about the steering can just because it was the movie title itself.

1:47:20That custom spelling. Yeah. You've I guess neither one of you has read that book or seen that movie.

1:47:26No here's here's a quick quick primer. If Lex Friedman hasn't seen the movie I probably haven't either.

1:47:32But this is also a book about maybe better read Stephen King is a well known author you may have heard of.

1:47:37He's written some books. People might have read. I have heard of him. OK. I can tell you that that is Mark. You don't.

1:47:44But you know read novels do you know I think I don't mean anything anymore I barely have time to read the paper.

1:47:51That should be. That'll be our next podcast is just. It's like it.

1:47:55Big cultural intervention for Michael primarily

1:47:58but I feel like there's probably a big gaps in Casey's life of all there are there absolutely are.

1:48:03Well look I spent my entire use digging around with computers so like I didn't you know that's clearly you took some

1:48:10breaks. I took fewer breaks I think is what it comes down to. I don't like any of these titles.

1:48:17Oh well I had a compromise machine that I would suggest that.

1:48:21That's pretty good we could do that you know I can do it a comp. Compromised or compromise. I think. Compromised.

1:48:29Oh I was going I would say with the D. I would say without but I've just been overruled. That's fine.

1:48:33One of the reasons for without. I'm willing to hear.

1:48:35Just because it says the what's its name rather than its state of being.

1:48:41It's a machine that produces compromises a compromise machine you turn on it or compromises

1:48:49or getting at I think is like that.

1:48:50Yeah it is if itself is compromised in some way to us I but that's neither one that covers the MacPro Enos of the.

1:48:57Saying and what one of us probably said at some point other than that we have to know him.

1:49:02I'm kind of surprised that that you that you picked the compromises that you did to complain about like the U.S.B.

1:49:09Three.

1:49:10Well the reason that's relevant to me is because I'm trying to save money

1:49:14and one way to save money is hey i actually a lot of my enclosures do have U.S.B.

1:49:18Three even though I'm probably using the far right hundred phase of this point on a line that U.S.B.

1:49:23or My macro doesn't anyway right.

1:49:24So one way to save money is how you can reuse all that storage you don't have to buy a three hundred dollars

1:49:28thunderbolt box you know hundred bodies fifty dollars Butterball cable just put your stuff. OK it up to U.S.B.

1:49:33and It's like kind of screwed up art up. Yeah but you're not really going to be hitting those limits though.

1:49:38I have a says the that was a U.S.B. Three interface and it's only going to use like you know.

1:49:45I don't know what the in a hundred megs a second two hundred megs second from I don't know but like.

1:49:50Then I start how big is that as is the. Hundred gigs where we talk to fifty six.

1:49:56How how long do you think you to be using that for in reality.

1:49:59I don't know it was really expensive and I thank you things for a long time.

1:50:02Yeah I have when I got my first it's the it was it was one of the hundred sixty gig Intel X.

1:50:07Twenty five ease or EMS and.

1:50:10That was a few hundred dollars when I got I think I was like three or four hundred bucks when I got it for a laptop

1:50:15and it's sitting in a drawer now because the hundred sixty gigs and that's useless.

1:50:19You can make a fusion drive out of it.

1:50:21Well if you can drive was really good and if I had a computer that had people ever also suffuse nervous really good

1:50:25and.

1:50:26I don't know I even and then says that he got an I'm back with your hero

1:50:29and he was amazed at how well it performed over time I mean maybe it's different

1:50:32when you get like the officially supported one.

1:50:34As opposed to making one yourself I don't know when compared to compared to a hard drive. It's radically better..

1:50:41Compared to a real S.S.D. It is noticeably worse not all that not doing everything. But you.

1:50:48You will notice the difference and. If you have the option to go all S.S.D.

1:50:53Do it like a lot of people are complaining that when I do the i Mac. Price comparison to the macro. I spec out.

1:50:59The terabyte as is D. In both. Because that's what I would buy. And that's what I would recommend people buying.

1:51:04And you look at all you have to draw them like those with the same you have I five just as possible C.P.

1:51:10Using them act to web but I'm not picking those because they aren't comparable.

1:51:14You know what I'm saying comparable I mean comparable.

1:51:16I haven't used one either so I can't say but like I have you know. Life. My main drive it has a day or can.

1:51:22It's a big day that's that's the thing it's hurting me the most is that for this for me to last another year

1:51:26and a snack I really just need to get an S.S.D.

1:51:27For it but I have the size probably have a one point five gigs of stuff here

1:51:31and I could probably pare that down to tear it. But that's a lot of money to jumping onto by my old one.

1:51:36I was something to do once you get him back bro you want to get rid of that thing I'll probably take it off your hands

1:51:42if you give me a good price on it and then I can squeeze myself into that in the last and then the G.P.O. I'm thinkin.

1:51:48I just want to upgrade it I'll just keep it I'll just not play. You know play P.C.

1:51:53Games for a year but I'm thinking of a Play Station four this year. Will be playing.

1:51:57Most of my gaming on the console or playing like old games. Still actually run OK.

1:52:01You could buy the whole my pro from it has the eighty I video card in it like the high end one that will high end for

1:52:06twenty now it's like if it was a fifty eight seventy or something.

1:52:10I don't even know I'll try to look it up

1:52:11but it was the high one that was available because like a quarter of the speed of the pro ones are about fifty eight

1:52:19seventy. Yeah yeah no. Well we'll say it's much easier for you to ship me just the P.C.I.

1:52:25Express card than to pay for shipping for the whole macro but you know that will make a bigger difference of course.

1:52:30When you when you get your. Yeah.

1:52:32That's that's maybe the only thing that will make a big difference because maybe I wouldn't even notice the.

1:52:37The video card stuff depending on the games I play.

1:52:39I will think about my options there

1:52:41but I think of the macro is still on the table if I can get some amazing hardware discount which I'm still working on.

1:52:48But I'll say. Yeah. I mean I think. We talked about it for now. What you think K.C. I was going to go on the show.

1:52:56Hand on heart. I was just debating with myself if I should just hang up. Just to be funny.

1:53:03Like I'm not actually angry but just to be funny I was genuinely thinking about hanging up and just going to bed.

1:53:08And seeing what you two did by listening to the show. Well you can Michael La Party did that unprofessional last week.

1:53:14Yeah that's sure I forgot you can't you can't do it for a while here copying law that's true.

1:53:18Yeah you're right now well and well it would be typical of cases will probably be more

1:53:24or less the end of the Night Pro stuff until Marco gets his in February. That's no way.

1:53:30This is a hell that I am doomed to live in for at least another three episodes.

1:53:34I bet we're going to have enough to fill up half of next episode and then that'll pretty much be it because and.

1:53:39Fortunately for you. Katie the macro hardly ever changes.

1:53:42Well transition smoothly into complaining about like about that. Yeah exactly. And with the monitor situation whatever.

1:53:48Whenever that moves at all.

1:53:51Or doesn't have what we need to let me just need to avoid him I was trying to avoid

1:53:55and failing here is the need to stop talking about what we're going to buy for ourselves.

1:54:00Because that's bore even tell it was what i'm obsessed about. Currently And what you're obsessing about and stuff.

1:54:06Were never that and more talking about you know.

1:54:09I think talking about they review and the State of the machine itself and the compromise in it that's good.

1:54:15Hemming and hawing about what I should guess that just makes people angry like was build a game B. C.

1:54:19Your video card slow. You know. Well but. But it is helpful like. So much of the feedback email that we get is.

1:54:29Stuff like this I'm a question that we.

1:54:32Should I buy this can I buy this what should I buy stuff like that and I think by.

1:54:37You know it's one thing to have been hard for you know.

1:54:41Minor differences like oh do I need to get to define hundred the D'sevyn hundred that you know that's less important.

1:54:47But big picture things talking about. Do I get a macro beef for years or and I'm back every two.

1:54:52You know that's that I think is is more useful to more people I love that one goal was you could tell me as a buy

1:54:58and I make every two years. A That would be super expensive in B.

1:55:01I would never have a good machine for gaming during that whole bunch of like we're just every three years I have a

1:55:07continuing mediocre to crappy game machine for gaming whereas you know I'll leave for brief moment I want to play high

1:55:14and games at full resin and slow that the machine age out and then for brief moment be the top of the heap and.

1:55:19It's just what you do with cars. I'm never the top of the heap far brief moment I have a brand new Accord.

1:55:27It's exciting.

1:55:28I guess my my IMAX idea of doing it like you know doing and I'm angry at every two or two

1:55:33and a half years that have a map for every four or five. That.

1:55:38That depends on the i Macs being like half the price of the my pro

1:55:41but it actually is much closer in price than that it's like when you spec it out it's actually not that much cheaper.

1:55:48It is cheaper but not half sheepishly in the other people in her room saying you have already have a crappy game.

1:55:53I know what do you think I'm thinking of replacing it or believe I have to remind me that the eight hundred G.T.

1:55:58Is slow. I know I have an old machine do you realize this is from two thousand and eight. Computer.

1:56:03Of course the danger of course.

1:56:05It's all about you doesn't mean you just immediately had to buy whatever the out there to get rid of it I want to buy

1:56:08the right new thing to jump to a not just anything I buy I'll be faster. Mech many use probably have faster G.P.S.

1:56:14Mistake like. I understand that right. I'm just looking for the right machine.

1:56:18To buy only what the hell's up at the mac mini It hasn't updated in like then year and I've you think macro.

1:56:23People are longsuffering not going to like why not upgrade it.

1:56:26Not an advanced technology just shove the way you like such a simple machine.

1:56:32Do you think the mac many you think still sell.

1:56:35Well at least as well as it ever did or do you think it's on its way down. I'm lookin like thinking.

1:56:41If you're if you're in the market for a lower priced mac. Or if you want like you know a second one for some purpose.

1:56:48You know the mac manual always serve the role of like something cheap to connect to a T.V. or Be in a closet.

1:56:53But for actual like desktop you know use of it. I have to imagine.

1:56:57The laptop lineup has to be the MacMini launch at this point because laptops are of course not many as a obscure.

1:57:05And the Schmidt Shane. And the laptops keep getting cheaper. So you have.

1:57:10You have a laptop which are way more useful and away better value than mag minis for almost all circumstances.

1:57:17Being pretty close you know mechanism not that cheap. Once you give it.

1:57:22Again it's like the US Once you give reasonable options.

1:57:25It's not that you know you're paying nine hundred bucks or a thousand bucks for it and.

1:57:30So you know it's not that much cheaper than the laptops the Mini that Apple needs to keep the mini around so that

1:57:34when we're eighty years old that will be the form factor of the mac pro and sort of like you know.

1:57:41Matter anti-matter black hole technology to remove the heat.

1:57:45Do you think the mac mini I seem to do you think the mag many is going to get a redesign.

1:57:49To look like maybe like the bottom third of the MacPro patient they should make it look like the stupid new why five

1:57:54bass they should. The maximum is gotten taller. Going to see me or is that a new Mechlin in your pocket.

1:58:06I keep forgetting that the mac mini got squished like a figure I saw their current current model neck me recently about.

1:58:14I'm always struck by how big and wide they are yet they look alike the old Apple T.V.

1:58:19Yeah there's like a test massive like I was kind of used to like you know the original Mini a form factor was so cute

1:58:24and now it's like center but wider and I don't know if I like that better yet

1:58:29but you know they don't need an optical display Why is it so wide

1:58:31and flap squished out back together again I'll take another half an inch of height.

1:58:35I don't see the mac mini being a very good deal for any actual like desktop use as a computer as opposed to a closet

1:58:43or better. T.V. or Whatever like so you know. Servers. It's nice for all it's.

1:58:47What's the least amount of money I can buy. To get into a computer.

1:58:51And maybe let me review some other crap I might have from my previous computer. So the many years.

1:58:55And you know and clauses you isn't rackmount and all of the type of weird things

1:59:00but it is worth keeping around just because like the profit margin I got to be pretty darn good because there is cheap

1:59:06stuff in there and they sell it for some much money

1:59:09and has been going down like I feel like the the margins that product may go not like flying you want to keep you doing

1:59:14as many fifty percent profit margins deal with it.

1:59:17Well also because there are so many people who want to get into Macs as cheaply as they can.

1:59:24The resale market for mac minis is huge like you. You can sell a mac mini for almost what you paid for it.

1:59:31Even if it's a few years old you can sell it for a really good price because it's got a new one right now you look the

1:59:37Chivas want to six hundred bucks but it kind of sucks. The one that's actually good. Issue.

1:59:42Starts at eight hundred bucks. And it's only four gigs of RAM like well you know you have a lot more than that.

1:59:47You know you add a gigs or RAM and.

1:59:49If you want a fusion drive say to make it perform better a case around one terabyte fusion drive eleven hundred bucks

1:59:55already.

1:59:56So you know it's really it's so easy to get you into a low

2:00:00and I'm back at that point exactly how moderate Have you seen this big shiny color screen that many has no screen.

2:00:07And we have the only image and they always green we sell thousand bucks.

2:00:10Right or get into a mac book air at that point. Or thirteen inch pro. There is still sell the twenty four inch.

2:00:16Don't tell anyone no they do leave the twenty four now it's only twenty one

2:00:19and twenty seven which is a comical difference all that's right the crate crazy twenty one thing no no no not the IMAX

2:00:25they saw a monitor they thought oh aren't your monitor. No no no no no you're only twenty seven. Yeah.

2:00:31The slippery slope that lands you into the popular models.

2:00:35The laptop will and that's that's why you know the these price points are very carefully designed and considered.

2:00:40So that. So that you can. You can up sell yourself through the line.

2:00:44So it's like you start out with like all I want to get a cube is not possible.

2:00:48Only only certain people going to sell themselves to my Pro The limit does Well yeah obviously that's that's ridiculous

2:00:54is the canyon that you have to shoot yourself over the rush to get it for us.

2:00:59What you're right though like you know it's.

2:01:01It's designed to get a lot of laptops and I'm Axel basically and I and I think it does that very well.

2:01:07Because really like Apple doesn't want everybody buying the many not just because of lower profit margins.

2:01:14But because that's not really the full math experience they keep you know they can't control.

2:01:20Very well what kind of monitor user that what whether you plug in to a crappy keyboard or mouse from a P.C.

2:01:25or Whether you use there's like stuff like that. If you. If you get a laptop an Apple laptop.

2:01:30Everything is included for you you have the keyboard of the trackpad it's working with gestures properly.

2:01:35You have the nice big screen that Apple controls and knows about and. And can tweak it.

2:01:40You have everything in agreement as one nice package. A mac mini is sloppy and messy and uncontrolled.

2:01:46So it doesn't give as as good as integrated have an experience. So if you having somebody trying.

2:01:53The MAC for the first time.

2:01:54Apple should want to give them the best experience they can so they keep buying Macs in the future.

2:01:59And to do that you have to have a laptop basically you know I agree with that you'd sell it anyway. Sort of kind of.

2:02:09How many. I mean to C.P.U. Generations of the many skipped I think it's gets a couple. Yeah.

2:02:15I would say probably at least three or four. It went it went a long time. The current one. I think.

2:02:21I think right before the current one. It went like three generations something like that it. It has had pretty.

2:02:27Sporadic updates that have been noticeably slower. Current C.P.U.

2:02:31With a Core two Duo for your eleven hundred dollars ring. Well complain. You know he has your monitor.