0:00:00it's not as exciting as it sounds because you may be stopped before I
0:00:03explain but now explain you'll see that it's not exciting so I've been looking
0:00:08at getting it different video card for my Mac to search tide me over and
0:00:12looking into getting in as the enduring also thinks says it doesn't look like
0:00:15I'm getting a Mac Pro anytime soon and I'll be able to email me with
0:00:19suggestions for things to get and one personal email me with an offer of an
0:00:23old video card they had out of their 2008 Mac Pro don't remember who is
0:00:28through feedback from some of this person wants me to get out his name so I
0:00:31won't but someone said hey I've got Radeon 4870 sitting in my closet by
0:00:37using do you wanna and I said sure and so they sent along and just arrived
0:00:41today I haven't installed it yet but I was very nice thing to do and it is
0:00:45instead of being a seven year old video card it's like a sixer five year old
0:00:49video card but it's twice as fast as they want to have in there now and it
0:00:53ought it and it's it's an apple supplied card so it's not like a weird / PC card
0:00:58or anything like that so I think it should work and if it works just doubled
0:01:03my video card speed wow very exciting but you know I also have some boring
0:01:09update to mind which nobody will care about basically I change my order I
0:01:13previously said in a show that I wanted the eight-core d700 because what the
0:01:17hell it's not you know the gig was a big jump at 3701 sure that little relatively
0:01:22speaking really isn't I step out of the six core Indy 500 because after
0:01:27evaluating what was going on and the actual price I realize you know I don't
0:01:30really want to have spent twenty $100 total extra just for those two upgrades
0:01:36and that my actual usage of the thing I'm probably not going to see that much
0:01:40of the benefit going from the six core da cor to be worth so much more money if
0:01:45it was only a few more dollars I would have gone for it but 1,500 for that and
0:01:49for 600 for the d700 will probably never used to its full capacity I realized I'd
0:01:55be happier having spent a lot less on the computer and then upgraded in you
0:02:01know two or three years instead of 5 I'll feel less bad about selling a two
0:02:05or three old one that was only you know just under 5,000 instead of one that was
0:02:09just over 7,000
0:02:11so it's a pretty big price difference I didn't think it was worth the ones for
0:02:14me but when the when the retina displays come out and you ditch this trash can
0:02:18for a nerd trash can do it better if you had the seven hundred and they're so I
0:02:23would it would be more attractive to me to buy your old one off you
0:02:26yeah so I really really blog post about an hour ago mostly so we wouldn't have
0:02:32to go into this into much depth on the show
0:02:35Casey I know it is entirely a favor to KCR this up in a blog post instead
0:02:39basically the gist of it is I think that the way they're going to do right now is
0:02:44not be no two years off doing 5120 by 2880 I think what they're actually going
0:02:51to do is using for K and using software scaling as we actually talked about like
0:02:56two months ago I think that's gonna do I think that's that's probably coming up
0:03:00soon
0:03:01like that that could easily happen this year that mean they can release the
0:03:04display today if they wanted to other manufacturers are very similar displays
0:03:08a very good price point so I think that's how we're gonna do right now and
0:03:12therefore think it will be compatible with the current 400 follow-up time
0:03:17let's do it mean to sound effect for that the promised an effective kind of
0:03:23wish I don't know if we could pull off the cap off gaza cool the weekend
0:03:28business and in fact that there is the son of a Greek toponym couple weeks ago
0:03:37maybe I remember when it was even last week we talked about how I talked about
0:03:43one of my pet peeves about software development and that's having a group of
0:03:47people make a product and then having all those people leave and just having
0:03:51like a skeleton crew there to deal with the product emerging about this in the
0:03:54context of Apple's iLife apps and they're they're iWork apps and all the
0:03:58other apps that have seemed certain languished as years have gone by Marie
0:04:01speculating maybe it's because most of the people who are on that project were
0:04:05taken off to go someplace else and I said you gotta leave the development him
0:04:09on a project once you make a product you can take those people off and one person
0:04:14wrote in to disagree with me that it was a good idea to make people get stuck on
0:04:19a project like that cuz what if they want to go off and do something else
0:04:21they shouldn't have to stay with the price they created its own self-worth
0:04:24and tried to clarify this in the program but apparently wasn't clear enough so I
0:04:27just wanna say it again it's not that the people who make the product to stay
0:04:31with their product is that the company has to dedicate manpower to that product
0:04:36as long as it exists so you can't like a similar level of effort and manpower has
0:04:42to be applied to approximately where all those people do it I don't want to have
0:04:45the full size team under progress just going through minor revisions year after
0:04:49year as any single developer knows even just keeping up with OS revisions is
0:04:55almost as big a job of writing the up in the first place in some ways it's worse
0:04:58in some ways easier but presumably are also going to improve the product as
0:05:02time goes on if you don't put a team similar in size and capability that made
0:05:07the product on the products you know permanently MROs it will slowly get
0:05:12worse in relation to the competition in relation to other applications and that
0:05:16seems to be what's happening with love apples applications just to clarify its
0:05:19not saying that if you're a developer you make an image editing out you're
0:05:22doomed forever in that company to work and image editing out forever you're not
0:05:26but there have you have to leave a team behind more or less and not tiny little
0:05:31maintenance team or a team of like being see players or any other way when you
0:05:35think you gonna save money or time you're doing your company and your
0:05:38customers a disservice it's hard and it's it's also interesting with
0:05:42consulting because in my experience what what happens is company will either not
0:05:49have the manpower or perhaps the expertise to do some sort of project and
0:05:55so in my day job they'll call in some of our people and we don't do staff August
0:06:03by the way of describing we really do is that we get a team of our own people
0:06:07together and we all work on this project for usually few months and then at the
0:06:13end of that project typically what happens is will do a lil have a very
0:06:16small crew that stays behind figuratively speaking in order to do
0:06:21some final maintenance and warranty work
0:06:24but then after that we usually punted back to the client and their internal
0:06:27team in order to maintain and sometimes it goes really well when clients have
0:06:32really good internal teams and kinda know what's up but sometimes that does
0:06:36not go well at all we hear later on through the grapevine that that the
0:06:39crime doesn't have the appropriate expertise even when they think they do
0:06:44and and that create some real problems but they're mean there's not much we can
0:06:48do about that other it cuz it sounds extremist self-serving and it is kind of
0:06:51self-serving for us to say oh well why don't you keep us on retainer for ever
0:06:56and will be around just in case it it's not the way it works in specially when
0:07:01you work for a fairly progressive firm like I do well granted we do the
0:07:05Microsoft stack with some of you probably don't think it is progressive
0:07:08but within our Microsoft world were very progressive in and out of our code a
0:07:14novice or even intermediate level programmer would probably have a hard
0:07:18time digesting and doubly so if there if it's a program that's never seen the
0:07:23code until the time in which we throw it over over the wall and walk away that
0:07:28happens even inside a single company forget about outside consultant or
0:07:31anything very often and maybe even that Apple had enough that you'll have a team
0:07:36that will make a product and it's not like the team that made the progress
0:07:39necessarily more experience the better programmers or anything that any other
0:07:42people but they understand the process understand wanted to sign the way it was
0:07:46designed they understand the design itself and if those people go off
0:07:50without it without transitioning like they are you work on the product and
0:07:53then I can goes into whatever maintenance mode or like into general
0:07:57purpose release where anyone in the company's allowed to address bugs in it
0:08:00or whatever if if it's sort of like okay now anyone know any developer the
0:08:05company could fix a bug those developers don't like likely don't understand the
0:08:09design of application out put together what the invariant is supposed to be in
0:08:13you know you're like well it should be documented in there should be designed
0:08:15documents that should be good comments it should be lol should should should
0:08:18but the reality is you know parameters are not interchangeable parts and
0:08:22there's a core team of people who understand the product unless you
0:08:25transition them away from the project assuming they want to go away from it by
0:08:28socializing the new developers like you know bring the new guy on board teaching
0:08:32how everything works out that person improved documentation so you can't just
0:08:36like throw down into the wild
0:08:37people doing things in the code where it looks perfectly fine and it's simple
0:08:41enough they understand it and it works but they've violated some unspoken
0:08:45invariant that everybody was on the original team understands has to be true
0:08:48but there were no assertion slaughter there was no design document specifying
0:08:51maybe there was that in see it and if the cumulation of those just you know
0:08:55either way the quality of the code makes it more difficult to change down the
0:08:58line is no such thing as like except for like US government software Defense
0:09:04Department's offers these things maintenance mode if you have a product
0:09:07is selling it to customers who need developers will understand it actively
0:09:10working on it plus another follow up item we're talking about it where where
0:09:14computers are going in the future and / I think I was talking about unification
0:09:19the memory and storage hierarchies so the dire que would still be there but
0:09:25from a software perspective everything's address balls an address in memory even
0:09:29if it's backed by you know / or regular on more catches on a chip or register as
0:09:36you know the whole hierarchy bit addressable in the same way sort of you
0:09:38know imagine a few genius hardware and a lot of you heard in with examples
0:09:44systems they do that this time no one last time I brought up a lot of people
0:09:48are talking about memory mapping files and stuff like that of course there are
0:09:52many many examples the computers are all sitting in front of right now and even
0:09:55on our iPods are everywhere listen to this on major versions memory mapping
0:10:00files is the most common example where you too instead of doing I on the file
0:10:04you just pretend hey now the entire conference that files map into memories
0:10:07not really but that's how you address it and when you address those pieces of
0:10:10memory just as ok well I don't actually have that information and stunt dis song
0:10:13and go get it from disk bulletin for you and make it look like it was in the
0:10:16memory all virtual you know virtual memory and works in a similar manner
0:10:21with the memory mapping and we talked about the PlayStation game consoles
0:10:27where they don't have a separate pools of RAM NVRAM of course is the good
0:10:30version of that where it's one big giant pool faster and with the crappy version
0:10:33of that which PCs to do in the bad old days where they didn't want to give you
0:10:37dedicated VRAM they would use your main memory has been around is really bad
0:10:40performance because video memory could be tuned to video test better and you
0:10:45know this on the older computers to read as a member of the car responded to
0:10:49you know I O interfaces read is a member that correspond to the screen so you
0:10:53wrote that reason member you really ready to video memory they would show up
0:10:56on the screen directly and all sorts of other things the big one that most
0:11:00people run about I was the as400 which I'd completely forgotten about insurance
0:11:05to below are completely forgot about in fact they renamed as 400 to high-five
0:11:11system are some ideas changed their names haven't kept up the stuff anyway
0:11:15this is a very old system based on an even older system from the sixties that
0:11:20does what they cost single-level storage exactly what I was talking about just
0:11:24addressing everything as it was a memory address even when it's not about these
0:11:30links miscarriage people I read about it but a lot of technology that he heard
0:11:34this before like in other rooms where things appearance supercars and grow or
0:11:39Mercedes or whatever like any luck breaks and air bags and gradually
0:11:41trickled away down until your Ford Festiva has all the features a decade
0:11:45later the trickle-down happened similarly computers were going from
0:11:49mainframes and supercomputers down to your phone but it happens unevenly and
0:11:54it seems like it sometimes a little bit slower and there are still things that
0:11:57mainframes or whatever you recall mainframes today we are still things
0:12:01those systems can do that our systems can't do and we're still waiting them to
0:12:05trickle-down things like to be able to hotswap CPUs and you know hardware
0:12:11redundancy sort of self-healing type features inside my PC or it's only four
0:12:16things about to run 24 7 lots of excuses why these things having trickle-down it
0:12:20makes sense but I would think that inevitably anything that's a good idea
0:12:25there is eventually gonna find its way down so single-level star i think is a
0:12:28reasonably good idea and will eventually find its way down into your wristwatch
0:12:32pinky ring contact lens computer in the decades to come
0:12:36and the other features like you know hardware redundancy inability heal and
0:12:42stuff I think it's a whole topic around the data maybe I'll throw in there but
0:12:45have some other interesting ideas about the future of computing but I don't
0:12:49think the fall it ends up being pinky rings i think im out by then Prime be
0:12:58safer thinking brings a finger fingers will swell noted stuck on the tube
0:13:02go to the ER to get them cut off goodness we want to talk about
0:13:07PlayStation 4 is now the damn thats 2012 my through and I'm trying not to pay too
0:13:11much attention to see
0:13:13MNCs just so gross I have never been interested in it it's disappointing to
0:13:18me even when I had interests like I would like to see what the new TVs
0:13:21coming out or that such as the worst possible venue I would like to know
0:13:25about new TVs have been redesigned the spectacle CSX noting that in fact that
0:13:30subtract from it was all the companies making announcements that I'm interested
0:13:33it's es made the same insurance but like a YouTube video our press release
0:13:37anything other than a stage presentation at see it seems like CES represents like
0:13:43the worst of the hardware industry like it's it's so much you know tone deafness
0:13:50sexes weird products the worst of the hardware industry is the worst of
0:13:56humanity and the products that are announced there at like 10 people are
0:14:03doing the best of CES the fight that the products are announced they're so rarely
0:14:07make it into production or when they do make it into production day they have a
0:14:12lot of problems that this year's version glossed over it didn't have a lot of
0:14:17limitations or something like that it's basically like it's it's a way for the
0:14:21industry to celebrate itself under the guise of announcing things to the world
0:14:26and showing off what's new but in reality most the thing showing off their
0:14:29either aren't interesting or are interesting but also fantasies that
0:14:32whenever hit the market seems like the press has a real hard time covering see
0:14:37yes and the problem of CES seems to be that no one including the people
0:14:41presenting and the people covering it can differentiate seems to be able to
0:14:45differentiate between the stuff that is obviously ridiculous crap and that in
0:14:49the light of day when you wake up when it's all over your goal wide however
0:14:52ever pay attention to that and things that are you know interesting news and
0:14:56because it all starts to look the same in this big fun house atmosphere whereas
0:15:00if you would just look at the things individually there's no way you would
0:15:03cover that of someone put out a press release on their site and put up with
0:15:06information about some crazy things that no one's ever going to use you would
0:15:09skip it but because it sees yes everything sort of get equal treatment
0:15:12so
0:15:13I like I'm interested in what about the saying it there I'm interested in the
0:15:18new television technology I'm interested in some of the new you know the steam
0:15:21box stuff and the camera tech stuff but all that stuff doesn't need that
0:15:26surrounding dazzle and ridiculousness if you just have interesting products to
0:15:31announce announce them this this is an OCS related and I went overnight danger
0:15:37but there's a story that Sony announced how many places in four states oh and
0:15:46they said it's 4.2 million and Microsoft announce the better week ago that they'd
0:15:52sold three million Xbox console so we talked when places for lunch they sold
0:15:56two million twenty-four hours into the Xbox that similar numbers in my car
0:15:59that's financier lead opposite see if they can sustain that looks like they're
0:16:03both consoles are doing pretty well more or less neck-and-neck PlayStation 4
0:16:07maybe a little bit ahead but I think I think the PlayStation 4 still supply
0:16:11constrained and it seems like from pictures I see people on Twitter that if
0:16:14you want an Xbox one you could go into a store and see this big stack of green
0:16:18boxes and pick 1 I'm not sure that's entirely true but I know from experience
0:16:21that you cannot destroy into a storm victim ps4 at this point because I
0:16:26looked online and you're not hard but you know I'm just curious like about
0:16:29minister the cells but how does it look and see if that many and they don't and
0:16:33occasional look online and CEO do any of these things have it available for order
0:16:36and they don't so i think it's still harder to place for and PlayStation for
0:16:40selling more so maybe they're probably read to me think but either way both of
0:16:44them doing very very well I would say the discussion console generation is off
0:16:47to a strong start
0:16:48are there any games that people actually want yeah that's the thing I like I
0:16:52don't think there's no there's some good games coming out like I mean he was
0:16:55shown by Microsoft Titan fall and sony has a couple of good titles in the works
0:16:59but there is no big system so against as you know that the typical franchise
0:17:03games that are all the platforms you can also plan it bc but who cares it's not
0:17:07like the other part of these platforms are being propelled by some must have
0:17:10exclusive game like Halo or something people just new consoles now I wonder so
0:17:15in previous launches there's there's usually been you know maybe one system
0:17:19out of the best of the bunch that didn't have any like must have launched has
0:17:23there ever been a generation before this where none of them
0:17:27had any must have games online like a lot of time a lot of times they would
0:17:32launch but with a couple of the GameCube did not have must have games at lunch
0:17:37the Xbox 10 I must have you had hello people to know how it was going to be
0:17:43any good was the first Halo game like I don't think that person making people go
0:17:48out and buy original Xbox because there was a son of an unknown quantity may be
0:17:52a few Mac users who followed by Andrew thought it was awesome everyone else
0:17:55like Halo what I don't know about that I i mean i dont member of the ps2 I guess
0:18:00I read razor something that console settle in and like that the reason I
0:18:04thought these two new consults would do well as i said i think im a preview show
0:18:08that for many people of the of the age to be having enough disposable income to
0:18:13buy their own consoles or to get their parents about this is their first new
0:18:17console generation their whole life they've been using like their
0:18:20PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 then maybe the previous generation from their older
0:18:24siblings or whatever this is the first console generation they're living
0:18:27through after seven or eight long years of using all the past acts so I think
0:18:32the market was ripe for tons and tons of people who want and shiny new thing
0:18:36people who aren't like grizzled veterans of many console generations and it seems
0:18:41like that was the case I have to imagine this must be building a lifelong
0:18:46disappointment and game systems from these people though if the very first
0:18:50awesome thing they're looking forward to this game system the very first new
0:18:53computer comes out for like you know some eight year old and they get it and
0:18:58there's only like four games for it and they're all kind of mediocre like is
0:19:01that it had a great experience that's part of the experience having been
0:19:06through many console generation part of the experience is getting super excited
0:19:09about the console and then even if you're lucky even if you get you like
0:19:13I'm getting intend to 64 is gonna have married it's gonna blow my brains out in
0:19:17the totally does its amazing game everybody loves it and then you play
0:19:21like okay what else can I get like
0:19:23and pilings thing you know and then you're like well I guess it was like
0:19:30we've raised that wasn't bad the lot launch games are usually not the best
0:19:35games like and even if there's one that's really great maybe if you're
0:19:39lucky you get one's really great
0:19:40consoles have life cycles for kids who don't know that they're going to learn
0:19:43the hard lesson the hard lesson of like the software in the modern age of
0:19:47software that comes at lunch they sucks it needs to be patched a million times
0:19:50does not have to be true he wanted his buggy as hell and like just wait like
0:19:54there's a life cycle this is the beginning part as good parts exciting to
0:19:57get a lunch date signed to be the first one to have it and bad cause the games
0:20:01are just like ports or multi-platform titles in the few exclusive you play
0:20:05through are interested in and just wait like it's it's all part of the process I
0:20:09think it's it's making a new generation of gamers and now even have like a lot
0:20:14of hardware problems to him have you been following that depends reno's saga
0:20:18of trying to get an Xbox he's gotten like five of them broken so far
0:20:23think all the companies in the entire world that should be wary of carefully
0:20:28designed hardware Microsoft and he's probably just as I haven't heard any you
0:20:33know he's just getting unlucky but after the red ring of death and billions of
0:20:37dollars in writedowns for hardware replacement and people being on their
0:20:41sixth and seventh Xbox 360 surely Microsoft got it right this time
0:20:44apparently all the funny thing is to apparently the biggest source of their
0:20:49problems is the disk drive with you would think I mean is it that new of a
0:20:53thing like you would think we would know how to make reliable optical disc drives
0:20:57in 2014 every time I think about this I just keep thinking back to the
0:21:01PlayStation 3 I'm like that machine should have fallen apart in people's
0:21:04hands like crazy Cell processor first thing with a blu-ray drive and waiting
0:21:09for the stupid blue blazers and others like I don't understand and then like
0:21:13Playstations and just you know been fine and it doesn't make any sense that
0:21:17Microsoft screwed up with the much more conservative approach to go any more
0:21:21concerned now and then these hard drive problem I don't understand maybe I mean
0:21:25there's something to be said for Sony's decades and decades of experience
0:21:29building to electronics and Microsoft considerably smaller
0:21:32experience the real Xbox one was just a fluke because it was fun at the very
0:21:38first Xbox it was a PC crammed into a small box and it was fine
0:21:43like you know you would think it would have overheated some wonder how to the
0:21:46problem it was fun I never heard of a widespread problem has been so that well
0:21:50either so well I mean this their their Christmas 360 like the reason it shape
0:21:54the way it was a speaker's Xbox is huge lol right and so they made the excessive
0:21:59amounts of all alright well anyway they made that they made the successor it
0:22:03skinny seats practice like an hour less look as skinny it is and maybe you
0:22:07should get a room for cooling and it wasn't even that ski well I know but
0:22:13like you said they were going for like we don't want to make a gigantic by and
0:22:16they should have been an Xbox one is pretty big and so is the place for that
0:22:19matter we'll see I i something dangerous thing to just be you know bad luck will
0:22:25it's not like we start seeing stories into this get the name like red ring of
0:22:28death among know it's an issue do we want to answer the question who needs a
0:22:35Mac Pro in there because you know again with you about what kind of computer on
0:22:42again whether in the buying a Mac Pro lots of people have this is one common
0:22:46strain of feedback or you need a Mac Pro for Marco to what is marketing are you
0:22:53guys don't need this computer and this kind of logic an argument and
0:22:58questioning like what is it that you're doing the Union democrat I was getting
0:23:01from my what it what games are you playing specifically the offensive video
0:23:05card and there's a snarky answer like it was game on Twitter which is four games
0:23:11four games I don't have now that's why you buy that's why one of the reasons I
0:23:14buy a big fancy computer is not for the games that are that are out now before
0:23:18the end of term yet to 34 years from now on to play those to your computer but
0:23:22that's besides the point this line of reasoning of like
0:23:26you need to have a practical reason for this thing that you're getting otherwise
0:23:32you shouldn't get it only seems to apply in certain situations certainly applies
0:23:37in this situation we're talking about big expensive computers but I was trying
0:23:40to think of other situations where people are comfortable with it not apply
0:23:44having trouble coming up with good examples I thought of like if you get a
0:23:48bigger TV occasionally I guess someone might ask what do you need to be that
0:23:53big book for but for the most part people understand you're not getting a
0:23:55big TV because like well i watch golf lot and I was having trouble seeing the
0:23:58ball so I need television so the ball's bigger people kind of intuitively
0:24:03understand that it's more sort of immersive and exciting to look at a
0:24:08bigger screen than a smaller ones when you say you got a bigger TV people don't
0:24:11say why did you get a bigger one why what is it that you like literally
0:24:15asking like is there some kind of program that you watch that was not
0:24:19working correctly with your smaller television and now work with a big one
0:24:23or why do you need granite countertops what was wrong with you do you do
0:24:26something to do certain kind of cooking that only works on granted to you do
0:24:29like pastry dough you need to suck where the heat and like sometimes you just
0:24:32want to have countertops and looked like nice shiny granted I guess the answer
0:24:35and the same thing with the computer I feel like there are reasons why I might
0:24:40want to get it but why not everything has to be a need there's such an idea
0:24:47like a luxury item and you can choose a luxury items are maybe a luxury item is
0:24:51very fancy furniture or a nice how how surgery are really expensive watch or
0:24:56lots of vacations or whatever or maybe a 335 instead of 328 used him but yeah but
0:25:04now it's like a certain things people except as indulgences or as a hobby
0:25:10interest or whatever and the things people don't accept as an intelligence
0:25:13and demand justification you must have an actual need are you running maybe you
0:25:18just want to have a fast computer because you're Intertechnology fast
0:25:21computers are fun to have my I think that's a perfectly valid reason its
0:25:24large part of my reason a large part of marcos reason I don't think anyone
0:25:28should ever get caught in the idea where they have to justify through work
0:25:32related examples like these are related example that will show me the game that
0:25:36needs this video card like
0:25:38that's a ridiculous example if you don't need to play games period if I gave your
0:25:41like all right when I see why you need one walk as I need to play its first
0:25:44person shooter why you play the first person shooter that we accept this fun
0:25:47you're allowed to play a game just because it's fun but you know I have a
0:25:50fast computer just because it's not so the only way you can just buy the
0:25:52computer is to point to the game you're gonna play which I except they are
0:25:56allowed to use yeah I think I think part of it is it's a combination of you that
0:26:00part of part of that like why do you need this is that these are very
0:26:05expensive items and so it's killing it in to say you know like buy expensive
0:26:08cars to say like oh I I got this car that's really really expensive but you
0:26:13can't afford it that's people don't like hearing that it's not a great thing to
0:26:17spread around and you know computerize but not as expensive as cars but they're
0:26:21still very expensive and they're like computer the Mac Pro are unaffordable to
0:26:26many people and so there's that ass but the other aspect is that computers do
0:26:31have this weird blend of some people need for that nobody needs a TV for work
0:26:37except Jay Dr Meyer nobody else needs a TV for work and you know we all use
0:26:42computers for work nowadays that not everybody but everyone everyone talking
0:26:46on the show and probably a lot of listeners we all use computers for work
0:26:49and we also use computers for hotties and for leisure and entertainment and
0:26:55and so it's there are people who do need the Mac Pro for work you know if your
0:26:59professional video editor
0:27:01working with four k content you are probably going to need it you know if
0:27:06you're if you're doing certain other things we need to but it's the number of
0:27:10people who need the Mac Pro or who need like all the way decked out laptop or
0:27:16iMac is a pretty small number really but you're right you know it is just
0:27:20distorted because some people do need them for work but for most of us it's
0:27:25just we want things to be nicer in a little bit faster countertop example to
0:27:29some people need a granite countertops their pastry chefs are like it doesn't
0:27:35take the heat out of the dough is faster than I remember this is a reason why you
0:27:38need an account doesn't bother you could conceivably you could conceivably need
0:27:42one
0:27:43but then most people don't get them for that reason one person point out that
0:27:48like well the difference between not needing to play a game is the game show
0:27:53less expensive than a Mac Pro well super high end games like Crysis 3 the gaming
0:27:58up expensive but the computer that you need to run a decently certainly is but
0:28:02you know prices are relative like this macro may seem like it's super expensive
0:28:06thing right to buy it but compared to the cost of living in a nicer
0:28:10neighborhood going on more vacations are like all the other things that people
0:28:13can spend their money on like to know if we want to live as cheaply as possible
0:28:17we would not have happened things that we have and we will take it get into a
0:28:21career that doesn't involve computers and we all be farmers or something right
0:28:26and you know it's all about like you know how you spend your time like you
0:28:29know for me like I I spend so much time in front of a computer for daily there
0:28:34was a tweet at River go that has gotten the most retweeted never tweeted and
0:28:39it's something on the lines of if you sit on look at or touch something for
0:28:46more than two hours a day
0:28:47spend whatever it takes to get the best and so that includes keyboards mice your
0:28:51chair of yours if you sit at a desk all day you better have a nice share a nice
0:28:55keyboard a nice mouse and a nice monitor you know if the things that you use all
0:29:00time you get nice things it's always good to get a good mattress to sleep on
0:29:04you know that like lots of reasons including comfort but also like to know
0:29:07your back and stuff like that there's no you should you should if you if you have
0:29:14the ability to spend to get a premium version of something the wisest thing to
0:29:19spend that on are the things that will have the most impact to your everyday
0:29:23life generally speaking and so like the difference between a good monitor and a
0:29:28heart monitor each and every single day 4 hours the difference between a good
0:29:32bad and a crappy bad you're gonna be lying if hours a day hope that's gonna
0:29:37catch up with you you know and and to the computer for people like us is one
0:29:42of those things if you actually will even notice the difference
0:29:48ever it's probably worth it like it's probably worth it to get a really nice
0:29:51computer if you do anything at all
0:29:54for any reason my time during the day that might read your computer it's worth
0:29:57it to get the best one that you can get that fits your needs by bringing it by
0:30:01bringing the time spent in front of device metric here trying to drive us
0:30:05back to pragmatism I'm trying to take it away trying to say no
0:30:08justified in a pragmatic rational manner for things like this you know some
0:30:14people in just for some people just want a really fancy table saw more they do
0:30:17with that fancy table saw they make little wooden things that they never
0:30:21skip to anyone don't sell and are useful in any way that's their hobbies what
0:30:25they want to do all you don't need to 10,000 audibles I know he does not need
0:30:28to $10,000 labels off because he's not making money from it in fact it's it's a
0:30:32money sink he just makes little wooden things and put them in his house and
0:30:35make them happy and that's what he wants to spend his money on $10,000 table saw
0:30:39I'm not saying that you should justify what you spend extra money on by by how
0:30:46much will make you money was i'm saying just like by how much you will enjoy it
0:30:49like that example fit my rationale perfectly like if you're going to
0:30:52actually use a table saw more than once a year
0:30:56get a great one you know why not if you can if you have the ability to and that
0:31:02will make you that happy then that's worth it that's worth doing for you you
0:31:06know if you don't care that's fine if you if you can't afford it you know do
0:31:09do your best if you wanna spend the money elsewhere
0:31:12fine like I did I get zero enjoyment out of wearing fancy clothes so every day I
0:31:18where $7 t-shirt and a very worn out pair of jeans I bought from Amazon
0:31:23everything I where I can buy from Amazon when it wears out which I love I worked
0:31:26for years to get to this point it's amazing I hate shopping all that stuff
0:31:30like I Drive a really nice car a computer but I where crap clothes
0:31:35there's a lot of things I don't care about because you know that this is
0:31:39where I spend my time this is where I got my enjoyment so it is a combination
0:31:42of luxury in treating yourself to the things you like and and being you know
0:31:49kind of an analytical about where you spend that extra money to give you the
0:31:52maximum the maximum like fun or happiness benefit ok gigli posted 24
0:32:01align posts in the chat rooms that means he demands to be hurts all addresses
0:32:04point here
0:32:05the problem is that the Mac Pro for hobbyists who could afford it is that
0:32:10it's still not the premium thing they wanted it's like you wanted the best
0:32:12granite countertops cocom but Apple gave you decent countertops but also to huge
0:32:16bridges you don't have much use for that may be true some people from me
0:32:20specifically it's like Apple gave me the granite countertops I wanted to but they
0:32:24cost 10 times more than I thought they would because underneath number too
0:32:28graphic cards again like there are as i said before there are parts of the Mac
0:32:36Pro that appealed to me way more than any than if I had gotten exactly the
0:32:40computer that I wanted with internal storage everything I like that it's
0:32:42super small I like this only one fan I never dreamed of those things when i was
0:32:46thinkin like oh boy I have revised the Mac Pros you know and it looks and it's
0:32:50something internal storage and has to have card slots maybe you could be
0:32:54smaller nice and get rid of the optical that's what I was envisioning it like a
0:32:58that's exactly the machine to you instead the game is no machine that has
0:33:00things that I didn't even dream I could ask for only one fan as quiet as a Mac
0:33:04Mini you better bet that appeals to me tremendously but it costs so darn much
0:33:09money you know it's getting into like if you can afford to do you want to really
0:33:13fancy computer is just as you like yes but I have a budget too and it costs so
0:33:18much money so that information specifically is the problem and that the
0:33:23railing and all the people are saying what do you need that computer for what
0:33:27do you need a high end GPU for anything like that I'm just saying you don't need
0:33:31to meet you just need to just need to want it and I certainly do want a Mac
0:33:34Pro but you always have to mount what you want with what you can afford and so
0:33:37on and so forth
0:33:37I think the two separate issues I think also and with all due apologies to Casey
0:33:42to talk more than just fuhrman I swear he's already left his loved it I think
0:33:50the new Mac Pro it's kind of like when the when the first MacBook Air came out
0:33:55in that we're looking at a number saying there's no drive bays there is no card
0:34:01slots the Rams healing is actually lower than the previous one and look at all
0:34:07that you say well this isn't really what we wanted and
0:34:09and it's kind of limited everyone said the same things about the first MacBook
0:34:13Air when it came out additional problem that it was incredibly slow won't have
0:34:18that problem now with with the MacBook Air
0:34:22we have eventually like when I first came out we were like you know I still
0:34:25use DVD drives every so often and and maybe I maybe I want that you know that
0:34:29that doesn't happen whatever but over like the next year and a half those
0:34:33things basically vanish and then two years after the first one came out next
0:34:37one came out it was also everybody bought it and it became like the new Mac
0:34:39to have and and i think that the current Mac the new Mac Pro which is humorously
0:34:46called the 2013 money even though nobody actually got in 2013 the new Mac Pro is
0:34:51is it is a similar kind of jump as the first MacBook Air which is it although
0:34:56with a lot fewer downside thank you know my current macro the big cheese grater
0:35:01one it has for internal drive bays the hard drives in you could put two optical
0:35:06drives in it
0:35:07well i I even used but I put a blu-ray burner bottom I use it
0:35:12approximately never I have for internal drive bays one of them useful and I over
0:35:21time finding like oh and the card slots I've never put an expansion card on a
0:35:26Mac Pro I've owned 24 myself one for my wife never put an expansion card and
0:35:34what a lot of people put in the expansion slots are more GPUs and to the
0:35:38new addresses that even so there's there's a lot of Mac Pro users who even
0:35:42having the expandability of the previous generations didn't use it that much
0:35:47actually sending just corrected me apparently my SSD is a pci-express card
0:35:51that I forgot about groups say once I have used one card and that by the way
0:35:56the new Mac Pro has an exact same thing I want arafat has a built-in and it's
0:36:00faster and cheaper so the point is we I had helped expandability but over time
0:36:07I've used less and less and less of it and I think Apple looking at their
0:36:11customers I believe they've found similar things among other Mac Pro
0:36:15Bowler saying things like how yeah it's true that a lot of video editors don't
0:36:18use local storage they will you know they'll use a San or something like that
0:36:22there's
0:36:22the need for the internal bays has shrunk over time and so the compromises
0:36:28the new machine makes the compromise that are about hardware you know there's
0:36:32compromise about pricing and and requiring two GPUs that increase the
0:36:36pricing and that's a separation is perfectly valid but the compromises
0:36:40about internal expandability and space and ports and things I think they're
0:36:45actually doing the right thing I don't think that's going to really be a
0:36:48problem that anyone cares about and six months perhaps not the first like to
0:36:54apologize I was trying to interject and say it was fine for you to continue
0:36:57talking about Mac Pro stuff but I left myself muted like a moron will you
0:37:02because you didn't object I just kept going well I notice and that's why it's
0:37:06not a problem but I would really really love free to tell me about something
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0:40:18you this is not a loaded question did you have anything more on the Mac Pro
0:40:21cause I sorta kinda cut you off there
0:40:24me I actually I think for now I'm done I'm sure about next episode with more
0:40:28maybe even ten minutes I think for now I'm done
0:40:33John anything about the macro specifically
0:40:36ok tell me about Panasonic LCD TVs if you don't mind her back the CES in there
0:40:46because this is a story that I saw in the CBS news and you know I was
0:40:49interested but with TV tech and particularly with Panasonic was going to
0:40:53do we all new Panasonic was leaving the plaza business and of course they're
0:40:57going to make LCD TVs and they have and the most interesting thing about this i
0:41:02think is of course they're touting for caverns time before k last year they
0:41:08were doing
0:41:08never missed a day forecast well but it was interesting to me to see how they're
0:41:13going to pitch these new televisions in the way they pitched it they they kind
0:41:17of did little bit of marketing judo on the one hand you could say well they
0:41:22went right up and like they you know they had read to their opponent's
0:41:25forehand why they play they knew that everyone was going to say these TVs are
0:41:30as good as your old TVs so they dress that immediately by their marketing
0:41:34message was we're making for k LCD televisions LCD with LED backlight crap
0:41:39I hate that so much I know it's shorthand but anyway and what we're
0:41:45going to say about that is there you know they're as good as or better than
0:41:48our plasma TVs but they said it in the kind of marketing weasel word he says
0:41:52he's already way they said basically the color chart saying they the color
0:41:57reproduction is better than even our best previous plasma CT 69 about that is
0:42:04that color reproduction 44 televisions for like classes and everything like
0:42:09plasma panasonic has been saying for years can already show color is outside
0:42:13the range that you're sporting code supposed to show and reproducing likely
0:42:18raising television signals like the color ranges in the content is not as
0:42:23wide as the can be displayed LED TVs in fact most TVs have a setting that lets
0:42:27you say do you want me to show the cars as intended by the author according to
0:42:30this narrow range of colors of the expected to be able to reproduce on
0:42:33output or do you want me to use the entire color range of the setting just
0:42:36going to kind of senior the source comes across that
0:42:39and you can choose whichever you want you want to accuracy or sort of like a
0:42:43watercolor band so the fact that there are LCD television has it ever so
0:42:48slightly even wider range of colors in the closet really make that much of a
0:42:52difference with current content may be to make a difference down the line with
0:42:55different content but for now it doesn't really make that much and they didn't as
0:42:58far as I know say anything about black levels and motion interpolation all the
0:43:03other areas where we know CDs have problems compared to class so kind of
0:43:07disappointed that they pulled that but it seems to work than ever on because I
0:43:11wanted to parenting line is this Panasonic says they're as good as or
0:43:14better better than their previous plasma and in some respects I'm sure they are
0:43:18as good in some respects they're probably better they probably use
0:43:20wireless power other than his own so forth but in some respects I fully
0:43:23expect that they are were so I guess the jury's still out until you know
0:43:26independent third-party get their hands on these TV star testing them and they
0:43:30can and we'll see but this is not the first time this has happened way back in
0:43:34the day pioneer used to make plasmas and they made that line of classes that was
0:43:38widely acknowledged to be the best TV you buy for any price that wasn't a
0:43:41projection TV and it was the Panasonic the past like the Pioneer Kuro he'll eat
0:43:45line of televisions and then pioneer stop making plans with them for many
0:43:49many years after that every new television manufacturer that was
0:43:54reviewed they would say all this is a great new TV to this mean you can buy
0:43:57right now but it's still not as good as the courier will eat and then what
0:44:00happened year after year and that's kind of very strange technology where it
0:44:03would be like if the new Mac Pro came out and said well does not produce great
0:44:07but it's not as good as the next four years ago but never happens like it's
0:44:11that doesn't happen the computers and televisions also very strange so for a
0:44:15long long time the girl he was the king and it could be for a long time that the
0:44:19Panasonic classes but I suspect that the fork a dif will will be a factor here
0:44:25and say well you know all those classes weren't for queso cares about them and
0:44:29all the matters for so serious question do you suspect that the you will regret
0:44:36I think that's too strong that you'll regret the purchase of your TV from just
0:44:40a month or so ago
0:44:42sooner because some newer better TV will come out or because there will be
0:44:50proliferation of four K TV shows and movies does actually making a fork a
0:44:56display worth it how do you avoid that question that they can get their
0:45:02attention but how do you guys feel about four k well it's one of those things
0:45:05it's it's a lot like Super Audio CD and DVD Audio which is you know and I i dont
0:45:13mean two free tickets sales i think i do I don't need to be diplomatic you know
0:45:21when you look at and variously consumer electronics TV formats over time the
0:45:26audio recorders is a great way to look at this hour plus video as well every
0:45:31time there's been a major quality increased that has been successful in
0:45:35the market it is also come with other benefits besides the quality that have
0:45:39made people want to buy it so when going from cassettes to CDs there was a major
0:45:45increase in so many other factors besides the audio quality was more
0:45:49communion it was more reliable it was faster to seek around the rewinding
0:45:53similar thing going from VHS to DVD you know there's it's everything is faster
0:45:58easier better more versatile you can put it more places computers can read it you
0:46:02can play in the car all the time
0:46:03all that stuff and so then you look at it then going from DVD to Blu ray and
0:46:09DVD to Blu ray was a little much slower transition I would still say it's not
0:46:14really complete its because the only difference between DVD and blu-ray is
0:46:21clear is better quality and is more annoying and all of the ways the DVDs
0:46:25are annoying blu-ray for worse that's the only major difference there's no
0:46:30like they are all the sudden more versatile easier to use or available in
0:46:34more places are cheap or smaller anything like that so looking at all
0:46:39that look at TVs when when we moved from SSD HDD we also are moving to you know
0:46:48from CRTC giant heavy horrible things to nice than LCDs and plasmas they were
0:46:54much bigger much thinner much lighter much cooler looking and and much better
0:46:58looking so there were a lot of other reasons for people to move from STD
0:47:04widescreen aspect ratio was another big factor exactly so there's all these
0:47:09other factors that went along with it that made of success in the market and
0:47:13meet people want to have it besides just picture quality in fact as most people
0:47:19know almost everyone who cares about TV picture quality has probably gone to a
0:47:23relative to parents house and seeing that they are running their cable box or
0:47:27something into the TV that supports high def but they haven't hooked up with the
0:47:30wrong cables using the wrong and put her on settings and they're not they're not
0:47:33even watching a TV content and they don't care and it drives me nuts so
0:47:37obviously liked the picture quality alone is not enough to drive major
0:47:43adoption very quickly if anything same thing so in the audio world when SACD
0:47:48and dvd-audio came out they both flopped first of August the format war but
0:47:52mostly because nobody cared that much it was it was the exact same as CDs but
0:47:56less things are supported yet to get you to get new players you couldn't do in
0:48:00your computer your car and things so it flopped porque is credibility with with
0:48:06newer types TV sets at
0:48:08that's less of a problem but you looking for cancer as well we already have HTTP
0:48:14it's very mature by now we have great with tons of great HTC source material
0:48:20and source devices tons of hte broadcast cable and everything is Xtina basically
0:48:26which was not the case even like five years ago
0:48:29very good XP support and in the industry and the move 24 K what is it really
0:48:35gonna brings you know it's it's gonna bring a new type of disc format probably
0:48:41I don't think we can do it right so probably a new kind of format new kinds
0:48:45of TV's new new disc players were still using this god I hope not but we
0:48:49probably still well for a little while much larger file sizes for internet
0:48:54streaming media a whole other round of everybody cable companies TV companies
0:49:00everybody a being able to screw everything up again so it's a big
0:49:03disruptions to make everything that was maturity to become immature again why go
0:49:10through all that and the reason is an increase in picture quality that you
0:49:13probably won't notice ever but the people who do not
0:49:17it won't notice it on my Canadian Stevie I mean that's how how compelling is that
0:49:22really and I think it's gonna take off
0:49:24similarly to blu-ray in that it will it will be the high end so people will buy
0:49:30it but it's not gonna be explosively growing very quickly the way DVDs and
0:49:35CDs did because most people it doesn't bring any noticeable benefit except
0:49:41saying you have the high ending the audio CDs and blu-ray and stuff had two
0:49:48things going against them for Caylee's doesn't have and the both of those were
0:49:53physical media being introduced to right around the time when physical media was
0:49:56going away for their respective mediums like dvd-audio Super Audio CD yesterday
0:50:01all they said the other format war stupid nobody care but also mp3's came
0:50:06along and so they were just like that and blu-ray it's amazing that has been
0:50:09as successful as it has been but it came out around the time that streaming video
0:50:14became a thing and now only crazy people by the reason everyone else just you
0:50:18know streams that if they can't write so those were all like media distribution
0:50:21format they were coming up against a hey we don't need physical media anymore
0:50:25television's luckily have the advantage of there is no downloadable TV you need
0:50:29to have an actual TV said you can't make a TV set appear in your house over a
0:50:32wire so that it still has a place in the ecosystem it's not being wiped out by
0:50:37like I mean I guess it would be like head-mounted display is there something
0:50:41or something else that's not wiping enough people want still want to look at
0:50:43the screen so bad that going for road before Kate thing sometimes I think it's
0:50:48kinda like right now where it's like yeah nobody will care and only nerds
0:50:52will be able to tell but will happen anyway just because it's cheap enough to
0:50:55double the resolution of LCDs at that size that could happen I I can totally
0:51:01envision a world where every TV you by its four ka and almost all content is
0:51:06still 1080p you know because the content everything else didn't catch up with it
0:51:10but mostly want to think about for k is that kind of like super IRA CD and DVD
0:51:15Audio they enhance the wrong thing they enhance the thing that the fewest number
0:51:21of people are able to detect as even being different let along better because
0:51:26you play an audio CD for someone and play a DVD Audio superheated not
0:51:30can't tell even audio files before depends on the mastering it depends on
0:51:34everything else and all those excuses you're gonna make for not being able to
0:51:36tell between a CD in Super Audio CD all the same excuses apply to television
0:51:40well it depends on other content has mastered well depends announced tribute
0:51:43well depends on the authorship yes that's true of video as well and that's
0:51:47like doubling the resolution may not be better in a way that people can tell now
0:51:52has a double saving graces concentrates on the resolution but they're also has
0:51:56support for different frame rates and that I think people probably could
0:52:00notice it based on people's impression of seeing The Hobbit 48 frames per
0:52:04second and how they said I look crazy at least you'll notice that these people
0:52:06could tell they just 48 per second I can tell it's different you know someone
0:52:11points out sports 820 frames per second
0:52:14those who think that maybe people will be able to tell and that may be able to
0:52:19drag along the content producers to say who is motivated to make porque content
0:52:23well maybe the NFL isn't motivated to make porque content and the NFL's
0:52:27motivated content and people by the TVs and like that will kind of go on
0:52:31together it may just be kind of inevitable thing but the other people
0:52:34making eyes at CES this year were trying to say hey we're over here and we're
0:52:39trying to improve the other stuff that needs to be improved about TV like i
0:52:42just mentioned the color gamut like what what is the maximum dynamic range from
0:52:46the brightest and darkest spot on television set
0:52:48what is one of the range of colors that you can display all those things are
0:52:53areas that desperately need to be improved in television but it you know
0:52:56television color standards even tht standards are way behind what what the
0:52:59current technology can display and those people will notice way more than forked
0:53:04you should someone that Dolby demo with like that you know the the huge dynamic
0:53:07range and everything and then showed somebody for KTV everyone else he'll do
0:53:12everything is different even though even if you are running a 1080p and if you
0:53:15just go for k vs 94 K from certain distance you can tell you that
0:53:20resolution is the only thing that that's not gonna see you so I think this is
0:53:24interesting but I really wish kinda like the the cameras with the megapixel Waris
0:53:30I really wish that the side that was going for not more pickles but better
0:53:34pixels basically was a little bit stronger in the spy but it seems to me
0:53:38that for k will probably happen
0:53:40kind of inevitably but not nearly enough time for me to regret my pleasant
0:53:45purchase to finally answer cases question because I'm gonna be enjoying
0:53:491080p content with fewer of the compromises that bother me about LCDs
0:53:54for many years to come
0:53:56the only thing we could possibly annoy me i think is that game console start
0:54:00putting out for K and and it's noticeable for like framerate reasons if
0:54:05that happens maybe are regarded in a couple years but I really I would feel
0:54:09much much worse if I have my old TV which was not nearly as good quality as
0:54:14any plasmon the past couple of years I would really go to keeping that and
0:54:18knowing now I'm stuck now if this TV breaks or if I just get sick of looking
0:54:22at bed black levels I will never have I just nothing out there for me to buy it
0:54:26as I sit here and wait now at least I know I'm set as long as it keeps working
0:54:29for many many years and I consider do what I like to do which is but my time
0:54:33and look for that one perfect time to buy the news that's where I think you
0:54:39have a long long time before any for KTV is is so good so compelling and so
0:54:45supported by the surrounding ecosystem that would be really compelling to
0:54:50upgrade I i mean you know HDTV came out when Lee 2001 or something it's pretty
0:54:56old but didn't get them that year five years later or more and it was it was a
0:55:05few years after that before they were actually very good and I think we're
0:55:09going to see a lot of the same things I mean granted that was also again that
0:55:12was good that was changing overwrought of legacy old stuff making LCD is get
0:55:16better get better
0:55:17moderate amounts of the signals digitizing lots of stuff so there was
0:55:21more to do during that transition AC content is terrible though like the
0:55:25compression artifacts like your cable provider Netflix streaming like they
0:55:29can't even they pick any input signal doesn't look like crap on 1080 sometimes
0:55:32and I they're sending us an uneven sending full 1080p so it's gonna be a
0:55:37long time for the you know sort of non if you don't have a good reason if you
0:55:41don't like the Discovery Channel the NFL or something you have some compelling
0:55:44reason to go to forecast high frame rate as soon as you possibly can
0:55:48we're still in for a long long run
0:55:50road of supposedly for k content supposedly ahd content that technically
0:55:54the Phils the requirements but mostly is gross well a couple things considered
0:55:59firstly the NFL already films and fork at least he was Fox does somebody have
0:56:03made him a pen and gadget I don't recall who it was but they they had talked to
0:56:08and I believe it was Fox about how they were going to film the Patriots game and
0:56:14one of the things they said was we actually fill in for k so that when you
0:56:20zoom in
0:56:21sleep for one of the challenges of words whatever was so when you zoom on a
0:56:26instant replay get a full 1080 image out of the source which was for cash and so
0:56:33to some degree this is already happening even though it's not making it all the
0:56:38way to the consumer and the other thing I wanted to point out was part of the
0:56:43reason that Aaron and I didn't upgrade to an HDTV set up initially was because
0:56:49not only did we need a new TV but we also needed a different cable box and to
0:56:56get the different cable box we needed to pay at the time Comcast more money and I
0:57:01can't speak for everyone else but I know not a similar to the retina discussion
0:57:05we had last week I didn't really at the time know what I was missing and so I
0:57:11didn't really see an urgent need to upgrade and Aaron doesn't really care
0:57:14for 99% of all TV and so she didn't see it terribly strong reason to upgrade and
0:57:20so we didn't have we had an HDTV in 2007 and I don't think we actually had ADHD
0:57:26pumping into the house and so we moved here later and we're getting files
0:57:30anyway so I can't speak for everyone but but that makes a little different it
0:57:35would mean another thing that made me think of was well wonder if adoption of
0:57:40LTE bands would have been a lot slower if it costs more money from the carriers
0:57:47to do to get LTE service not only speak for AT&T but on AT&T there's no
0:57:54difference in price and I believe it's the same for Verizon I am Not sure that
0:57:57same for tmobile and nobody's a sprint so
0:58:01I'm not saying there's an answer and it's it's a rhetorical question but I
0:58:04wonder if LTE adoption would have been slower if it was more expensive I think
0:58:09in the way most people go to new technologies is when they have to buy a
0:58:14new one anyway they get a decent one at the time and so with phones we move very
0:58:19quickly because so many people are on subsidized phone plans where you're
0:58:24pretty much encouraged to get a new phone every every one to three years so
0:58:28that's why the phone market moves so quickly
0:58:30TV's move very slowly and you said like the cable box thing a lot of people
0:58:33don't pay for their cable box but you know you have to go through the hassle
0:58:38for an upgrade like bring it to some place in the next to the UPS Depot or
0:58:42whatever
0:58:43times but you know even if you have to pay for your only use it as a premium if
0:58:50you have well if Tebow is still alive and you have a TiVo to pay extra for the
0:58:55new HDR for k1 and then Johnson complain about that for the next ten years gonna
0:58:59suck you think that a lot of HP menus everywhere
0:59:031080p exactly I would be glad if we ever get to that point it seems like this
0:59:09that may never even happened
0:59:11yeah but like you know that the rate at which people normally upgrade TV
0:59:15equipment is pretty slow because TVs are large and they they used to be pretty
0:59:20expensive but getting pretty cheap now but they're still at these these large
0:59:23kind of fixtures like furniture pieces that you tend like no one gets a new TV
0:59:27every year to John I waited for years give me a break for years I with the TV
0:59:34menu by the way they're not even 1080p and 720p but you know well and by the
0:59:40way lots of TVs are still sold at 720p I don't think that they still make 720 I
0:59:46think every TV stand me know when last year when I when I bought that LCD that
0:59:50small 37 inch LCD for the back room I had to look pretty hard to get a 1080p
0:59:56won so many of them are 720p
0:59:59research that I think they're almost all I'm not sure you can still find a 720
1:00:05especially if you are going to the no name brands but I think any means
1:00:08and probably has 0 720p television sets now I don't think that's the case I
1:00:14don't think that's Kirron once you go to the smaller size like in the 38th
1:00:18exactly you go to the thirties and you go to go to those all CDs in the
1:00:21thirties and there's a lot of 720p 30 inch TV of the size of your monitor
1:00:26well I actually had to fit this in a head to fit into one area within an
1:00:32existing built-in book show and so I had had a size cap so the 37 inch Panasonic
1:00:37was like the the biggest that would fit into this little spot resist the Batcave
1:00:40you can say is wow
1:00:45know it's true though i think i sat on a previous show our biggest TV in the
1:00:50house is 40 inches and there is no part of me that wants a bigger one and that
1:00:55one is 1080 but the one we have in the in our bedroom and the only reason it's
1:01:00in our bedroom is because we got the the the 40 in church her place at that one's
1:01:0432 inches and granted it's a bit older but it's 720 only and I have no desire
1:01:09to upgraded to a 1080 TV now granted I'm either very weird or very normal
1:01:15depending on how you look at it but as soon as you go to lower sizes I think
1:01:20Marquez dead on the it's it's a little bit challenging finance led tv
1:01:24I don't want to look at small television I was I was disappointed that I couldn't
1:01:29find a plasma that was smoke because of the plasma speaking of sizes to tell you
1:01:34these this Panasonic LCDs into the news the smallest size it comes in is now 58
1:01:40were surprised that the small size my TV came as for the five now the small sizes
1:01:4458 but they soon the small size 800 inches
1:01:47yeah and and and the problem is I call these like really nice ones like the V
1:01:51t60
1:01:52they only come a larger size and that those keep going up so late like one of
1:01:56my TV like I have a really nice TV for when I bought it when it dies I'm gonna
1:02:00have to either get a giant wall of TV which I don't want to look stiff would
1:02:04kill me if I got what it would look also or get a crappy one I think they have to
1:02:10be part of it is it's more expensive to mix with with the plans this in
1:02:14particular like the reason you can make a fork a plasma is because then the
1:02:17little tiny bits where the little you know particles are amid
1:02:22didn't hit against the phosphorescent materials will have to be super duper
1:02:25small and that's like a technical limitations probably could have done
1:02:28that they want to invest tons and tons more money but they didn't say but yeah
1:02:32as you can as a resolution goes up it's actually cheaper to make it that's why I
1:02:35like 28 inch Dell for K
1:02:37monitor the people want to talk about it's actually cheaper to make a high
1:02:41resolution monitor bigwigs are you not to make the pixel so darn small and its
1:02:44manufacturing all that stuff so I think I'm hoping that will take care of itself
1:02:49but yeah when I'm shopping for television and movies shopping at the
1:02:52high end and they're all big and they're all 1080 I guess way to as you get
1:02:56smaller I am in a certain point you get a certain size you you know it becomes
1:03:00like you can't see you can tell there 720 and 1080 and as I'm surprised no one
1:03:05has said that Jeremy or maybe I missed it I think if you do the math 720p has
1:03:09more pixels per second in 2005 but with all the processing that goes on in most
1:03:15most broadcast television still 1080 P
1:03:20came out of a case said about the source material like NFL games in four ka mean
1:03:24the same thing but the movies with the digital cameras like and you know it was
1:03:28that even for TV they would record TV on video too much higher quality than you
1:03:33ever be able to broadcast that's you know that's par for the course of the
1:03:35people out there
1:03:36testing out the new format everything by the time for Cape makes its way down and
1:03:41there's some story on the music is still exists that says 0024 ok transition is
1:03:47coming
1:03:47cable companies are turning off their old age D signaling that you can only
1:03:51get four member that you know the whole transition from analog and all that
1:03:54stuff like when we see that story and ten twenty years by that point everyone
1:03:58but recording everything like a que hora bellman extender is so the content
1:04:02producers are always help someone did the Madden said 1080 I had slightly more
1:04:07pixels per second so I just I hope that somebody please tell me I hope this is
1:04:11the case in the entire fork a standard is there any allowance and you wear for
1:04:17interlaced anything cuz I hate interlacing so much in so many ways it
1:04:22all the artifacts make sure horrible when UD interlaced progressive I hate
1:04:27getting in at least DVDs and the moment when I ripped them they look bad
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1:07:09709 just the current HP color space and most TVs already go bigger than that and
1:07:14they were showing how that's TV goes even bigger but there's also wreak 2020
1:07:19which is part of the four k UHD standard which is way bigger as much harder it's
1:07:24not as big as like the you know the dynamic range of brightness that dolby
1:07:27was showing off their crazy experimental water-cooled thing or whatever but show
1:07:31that this was getting at before the 24 K brings more than just resolution for
1:07:35Marco you know progressive scan mode only and and for me and a lot of the
1:07:40people much higher framerates
1:07:42rectangular pixel I have no idea if it for case though rectangular pixels or
1:07:47has rectangular pixels it'll be there did too because my my old HDTV that was
1:07:53a 4-3 CRT you didn't know existed but did exist that was possible because of
1:07:58all these weird noises in the eighties back to his old stuff but for case is I
1:08:04at least I hope it is taken that opportunity of dropping tons of legacy
1:08:09crap like that and just going for now and future looking good technology
1:08:12that's relatively simple and as for the 720p vs 1080p I again it depends on the
1:08:18frame rate if you to 720p at 60 frames were standing at 8:30 you cannot do the
1:08:22math yourself but as someone pointed out and chat room in the back to find where
1:08:26it is but 720p I'm gonna get it right so I don't want to he was saying that 720p
1:08:31has more temporal resolution as an emotion over time because it's not
1:08:35interested obviously in 10 a TI has more spatial resolution so it depends on what
1:08:40you want but that whole distinction with the InP and stuff you'll hopefully be
1:08:45a relic of history me this is kind of one of the reasons in favor of for cake
1:08:49you know and you know in case conner is a lot of the legacy crap left over from
1:08:54the bad old 98 she did they still infects the HTC standards yes detects I
1:08:59know I just couldn't find your line I couldn't find it was gonna read it
1:09:02anyway making making for k like what makes porque inevitable is that it
1:09:10actually does get rid of a lot of the annoying crap and a lot of the details
1:09:14that people do need to care about the didn't care about interlaced vs
1:09:17progressive they don't you know they don't care about all these details of
1:09:20color spaces and stuff that they can make it so that it looks better to
1:09:23people and so they have a reason to view it like if you go over your friends
1:09:26house and you watch NFL and forecast higher frame rate and you notice that's
1:09:30different you're going to want that because now this content that you're
1:09:33interested in and if panel makers you know for cages becomes well like it's
1:09:37actually cheaper now to make us for Cape house and all the factories ramped up on
1:09:41her ever it may be inevitable but I still think it'll take a long time
1:09:45before cable companies start broadcasting porque for anything except
1:09:49for a few special you know like content is still going to be 1080 I know that
1:09:53the cheap shows for a long long long time and even in the forecast channels
1:09:57of the first person says everyone every piece for broadcasters porque some of
1:10:02those channels look awful because they're like some of the channels look
1:10:05awful today at NAB I because they're just super over compressed in gross
1:10:08talked about a lot of feedback fly through regarding steam boxes and when
1:10:17John was lamenting having to buy a PC just four games I saw a few people say
1:10:24well why not get a steam box so john why not
1:10:27well first so let's just assume that somebody not me but that but that that a
1:10:33friend of mine has no clue esteem boxes and has been following this could you
1:10:37maybe explain what it is first I could but I'll do a terrible job of it because
1:10:41I don't really believe in games
1:10:43John you believe in them or not by explaining steam box it's hard to
1:10:49explain without revealing my views on it but anyway now that was a company that
1:10:54start off making
1:10:55aims and like many other good companies they realize that there's more to their
1:11:00the market they were in the just making games they also made a digital
1:11:04distribution platform which sounds like outside of their core competency hey you
1:11:07just make great games will be making digital distribution platform for what
1:11:11they are making it because that's the future of gaming and they saw before
1:11:13everyone else they spent a long time working on their their digital
1:11:16distribution thing called stand which if you're not familiar with this type of
1:11:20thing it's it's like the App Store for games you don't have to go to the store
1:11:22and buy disc you just log onto something and downloaded in the game goes right on
1:11:26your computer
1:11:27team is available for the Mac leave notes are on the PC and it's a great way
1:11:31to buy games from the same reasons that the app stores are great way for
1:11:34consumers to buy apps because he wants to the store and get a stupid desk stand
1:11:39boxes valves next step in this process which is why don't we make hardware as
1:11:44well because not everyone has or wants to make a PC that can play games we will
1:11:50I guess they're setting some kind of standard or whatever you want to make a
1:11:53steam box it's basically like a little PC that comes pre-configured to connect
1:11:58to steam and it comes a little control if you want or you can use like an Xbox
1:12:01360 controller or whatever and it's sort of a turnkey way for you to get a gaming
1:12:06PC to play games from Steam and people are suggesting steam box to me I'm not
1:12:12quite sure where they were suggesting it or they were just asked me what I
1:12:15thought of it but I think a lot of the coverage pinpoints the reasons to be
1:12:19skeptical about it skeptical about it although those reasons may not end up
1:12:22mattering in the end the reasons I'm not all that interested in a steam boxes
1:12:28because as many of the stories have said it does less than a PC for a similar
1:12:33price I mean it's just a PC like it's got its PC hardware PC video cards and a
1:12:38PC box like that's all it is is just sort of pre-configured and certified to
1:12:43work in this thing and they vary wildly get super cheap ones that are like a
1:12:46super cheap PC unit super expensive ones that are like a super expensive PC and I
1:12:50imagine as many people now the most useful thing you can do it this is a
1:12:54reboot into Windows because the steam box runs Linux by the way which keeps
1:12:58rebooting into Windows then you have a gaming PC one just by gaming PC gaming
1:13:03PC buying well-known nerds don't want to buy a magazine don't know anything about
1:13:07them so
1:13:07this feature that people think it's silly so what it comes pre-configured to
1:13:13connect to steam and runs free OS and Windows who cares
1:13:16like I don't care about that I know how to install software I know how to do
1:13:19this like just the mere fact that you can buy something called the steam box
1:13:22and had some sort of guarantees about the experience I guarantees like this
1:13:27they do very well but if valve can manage the expectations but you know I
1:13:32don't want to get into PC gaming but my friend got a steam box and seems to be
1:13:35fewer problems I'll get one of those is kind of like I don't know anything about
1:13:40digital music but my friend got one of those iPod things and he's able to
1:13:44listen to music digitally so I'm gonna try that there is an ominous a team has
1:13:50steam box has no chance they're trying to thread a pretty narrow thread the
1:13:56needle here between the world of game consoles which is you know fixed
1:14:00hardware doesn't change over time he's even develop against because developers
1:14:03know what everybody has plus or minus a couple of accessories and on the other
1:14:07side of the spectrum full-fledged game PCs they're thinking there's something
1:14:10in the middle there where we can get you something is better than a console
1:14:15because you can spend more money and get a faster experience and upgraded
1:14:19overtime in part or in whole and you know have access to all these games we
1:14:24have available on Steam but it's not as complicated as again BC I'm not sure if
1:14:28there is that little narrow valley between those two things is going to
1:14:31work for them but it could very well be that the people who make gaming PCs will
1:14:36slowly become smaller and smaller smaller answered window and I doubt it
1:14:40will turn out that most of the people playing PC games actually weren't
1:14:43interested in building a gaming PCs actually weren't interested in
1:14:46maintaining gaming PCs and this could really be a sort of a back-door way to
1:14:50remake the PC industry for people who play games anyway to be more like you
1:14:56know the iOS device industry where people aren't interested in taking them
1:15:00they just want to get them down from them and use them so I'm not quite sure
1:15:05how this is going to turn out but for me as someone to you know not that I'd be
1:15:11interested in taking things but I would be able to if I want to if I wanted to
1:15:14get a gaming PC I would build again BC I don't want one but if I did the things
1:15:19stopping it would be like I wish someone do all this work for people to go
1:15:23anywhere and punch buttons and get a super expensive gaming PC and you can
1:15:27build a better one half the money if you want to but if you don't want to you
1:15:30know it's the same time they also will say I enjoyed playing games from Steam
1:15:34on my Mac I enjoy playing them games from Steam on my Mac with boot into
1:15:38windows when it's about it pretends its gaming PC I like anyone computer does
1:15:42both of those things I also really like game consoles so I'm probably not the
1:15:46target market of the steam box but there's a lot of noise about them and
1:15:51wait a year and see how well all those different vendors who are feeling steel
1:15:55boxes feel about their contribution to that spot for you kind of surprised that
1:16:00anybody thinks there's going to be a market for more than one of these things
1:16:03like why is it a category and not just one box there is one box of a game
1:16:08console well isn't it kind of it's kind of a game console for steam PC games
1:16:14like i mean but they wanted to have some of the advantages of gaming PCs in one
1:16:19of those advantages is its not the same hardware for everybody
1:16:22it change every year you can get a new faster better one that makes the games
1:16:26prettier and that's not true consoles that's true I sent it to the threading a
1:16:31needle this I don't have much room there is between between the gaming PC and the
1:16:35game console could be the description from above or below depending on how you
1:16:38drive this diagram by the consoles and just the entire world to PC gaming it's
1:16:42quicker way there could be they get squished by real PC gaming it turns out
1:16:46the only people left who aren't just exquisite playing consoles really want a
1:16:49full fledged gaming PC 901 the steam box I don't think it's entirely crazy I
1:16:54think it is smart for Val to get into hardware because they've shown that they
1:16:57understand that like there's more to the world and what they're currently doing
1:17:00and steam was it was a great idea a smashing success and they continue to
1:17:03also make great games on top of that if they can also make great hardware that's
1:17:07popular more power to him but having third parties do it for you kind of like
1:17:13the Windows Phone strategy ecosystem of compatible hardware and I don't know
1:17:18what do you think it's a problem I am I correct that that the steam boxes all
1:17:24have gamepad controller types and not like keyboard mouse kinda schemes that's
1:17:29another problem
1:17:30like they control that they have is interesting and it's trying to make up
1:17:34for the fact that you don't have a keyboard and mouse and a lot of again a
1:17:37lot of the people who play PC games maybe they like mouse and keyboard and
1:17:42if you take that away maybe they're not interested anymore but maybe they
1:17:45weren't really went to mouse and keyboard maybe they just wanted
1:17:48something that lets play first person shooters and if you give them a better
1:17:50first person shooter I don't know this is all dissolved experiment you know and
1:17:55that's kind of what I now must like the fact that they're not the ones sort of
1:17:58during the experiment you guys make the hardware and the software is not easy
1:18:03either i mean i i think i think that the input and and like monitor class like
1:18:09how far you sit and the input devices you use I think that will sync this
1:18:13thing because I think if you want to play first person shooter using the
1:18:17gamepad on a TV about a game console they're probably gonna be better at it
1:18:20and they're cheaper and they're better managing their more popular and
1:18:23everything else
1:18:24their mapping their control scheme to keyboard and mouse like that little
1:18:27piece in the controller looks like two big flat out of touch pad areas one of
1:18:31them is the mouse and one of them is WASD basically like the parole for a
1:18:37legacy games you have to go to play you know half-life 2 portal and all that
1:18:40stuff like you have to be able to make a legacy games work otherwise how can you
1:18:43get a steam box and access is your games in theory in the future games come out
1:18:47with that controller mind it becomes popular but they have to have a support
1:18:50the old games and that's what they're trying to do and supposedly it works
1:18:54better than using like an Xbox 360 controller if you're playing
1:18:57first-person shooters it's more like a keyboard and mouse but I don't know if
1:19:01like I know if it's gonna be worthwhile I don't know who is the customer for
1:19:06these damn boxes there sure are a lot of them this year coming a lot of different
1:19:09sizes and shapes and price points and PC gamers really do love stayin but I'm not
1:19:14sure what their prospects are looking at this control I just looked it up it
1:19:17first of all looks ridiculous but I mean like and I am really out of touch with
1:19:22this stuff because I haven't been heavily in two games in a while but when
1:19:26I was heavily into games I loved PC games and I really didn't get the
1:19:30maximum out of console games because I loved the kind of game is that just work
1:19:36a lot better with keyboard mouse and big money big highres monitoring for your
1:19:39face like our DS's
1:19:41builders like simpson's like not only do I love that kind of game more but even
1:19:46for the kind of games that work on both I just like having a mouse better than a
1:19:51gamepad and I was always and maybe it was better at it with the message is
1:19:55more precise with the mouse and playing even playing shooters on gamepad like it
1:19:59always felt like yeah I'm glad you liked set up a land of my friends or anything
1:20:03but I'm not enjoying it as much you know and like if you like and by the way and
1:20:09I did love bill amount PCs and if I was gonna go back to being a PC gamer being
1:20:16a PC gamer takes a long time investment just to manage all the software crap you
1:20:21have to deal with and the steam box will will of course a lot of that in theory
1:20:24but if you're already gonna devoted much time into this ha because you love it so
1:20:30much you probably are very likely to also want to build your own computer or
1:20:34like I think the the market for people who are going to want to buy a premade
1:20:39gaming PC that they had no part in building and that they might not be able
1:20:43to upgrade very easily if at all to play games on a TV that aren't console games
1:20:48on a kind of console controller that is not a keyboard and mouse so many big
1:20:54leads here that I think are just leaving right out of the market
1:20:57well there's another strategic reason that felt kind of has to do this to sort
1:21:01of protect itself and its that Microsoft has been less and less interested in
1:21:05making windows a hospitable environment for gaming and if you look at do you
1:21:10know the business I'm sure there's a lot of games too but mostly selling
1:21:14quote-unquote PC games and so the the part of Team boxes may be the least
1:21:18interesting to consumers may be the most interesting rival's perspective which is
1:21:22we need to sell our games on linux or that we have some control over to get
1:21:27away from windows because like you know has whined about Windows 8 not being
1:21:32particularly hospitable four games in the early going and like just in general
1:21:35to be fair when it is particularly inhospitable for everybody so like if if
1:21:42all that comes out of this is the boxes total flop but a huge portion of games
1:21:46available on Steam run on like it maybe they don't call the steam box anymore
1:21:50but if you mostly use your PC for gaming
1:21:53valve can say oh when you play our games you should play them like in the steam
1:21:59OS whatever they call the Linux thing that they're going to use their it's
1:22:02kind of a hedge against like our future shouldn't depend on Microsoft because
1:22:06Microsoft cares about Xbox one you know gaming they care
1:22:11slightly less about windows and who knows with Microsoft's new CEO search
1:22:14what kind of direction the company will be taken in this is probably a smart
1:22:18hedged just to say we should really look into if we're going to be a platform
1:22:22research looking into having more control and not being beholden to
1:22:26Microsoft or so much for our business because certainly something is not
1:22:29beholden to Microsoft for its gaming business right and you know after the
1:22:33buildings anywhere else and so on so I think it's a wise strategic move about
1:22:37to be doing this and I think it matters less whether this team boxes competes
1:22:42with game consoles or anything it just like it's kind of like Steam itself the
1:22:46payoff will be many many years now and it may not be the same pay off today
1:22:49expected but it's worth doing it
1:22:51Marco I'd like to ask you guys about some of your past experiences but before
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1:24:54something a minute ago about how you don't have to set up your own network
1:24:58and it just made me remember so there when I was a kid I used to play quite a
1:25:03lot of games and and both all of them intend to consoles and many many many PC
1:25:08games and i was just curious if you guys had the hilarious experiences of having
1:25:14your friends over where they would bring their many towers and their CRT monitors
1:25:19that way two thousand pounds and you're in like 6th or 7th grade at the time
1:25:23they can barely lift them on your own and you would get like these forty-foot
1:25:27no modem cables and string them together and play wolf 3d or doom against each
1:25:32other or whatever the case may be I I just gotta have such fond memories of
1:25:36that I was curious if i was little if I was the only one
1:25:39yeah it was a nightmare I mean part of the fun of being a high school kid and
1:25:43and trying to hang out with Mikey Trenton set up some kind of land at
1:25:47somebody's house to play total annihilation which is all I did in high
1:25:51school to be pretty pretty good experience but
1:25:54it was funny because this is kind of a model for a lot of PC gaming it's a
1:26:02common result of all PC gaming is like you have to deal with so much crap to
1:26:07set it up and you know ours this is like a lot of physical moving stuff around
1:26:11physical plugging stuff and figure out oh god why why does this network cable
1:26:15that we just made yesterday and we have never killed before was just all the
1:26:18sudden not work or why you know I can your computer see the other three but
1:26:23then one of them can see you and all cod you didn't install the map or like you
1:26:29start to get all into the game you're always one guy doesn't have the newest
1:26:32patch so half the units are disabled
1:26:34you know there's it was a whole bunch of crap it was a whole bunch of of
1:26:38time-wasting crap system administration stuff rebooting installing patches
1:26:42install new version of the game installing new maps getting everything
1:26:45it was such a nightmare that like we would we would start drinking and all
1:26:50these computers were like our computers are a family's computer so we couldn't
1:26:54really leave them there for the next week or anything like that we would like
1:26:59every weekend
1:27:00me and a couple of friends would bring all their computers over to one of the
1:27:04two houses that had network switches because I like to the house had to
1:27:08computers the parents like head to computer so you know we'd go to the
1:27:11country on those houses plugin try to figure everything out we wouldn't even
1:27:15start playing until 12 or one of the morning
1:27:19yeah oh yeah like the button again actually launches you're actually in it
1:27:23it would be when I am because we would we would have started setting up at
1:27:26eight and you know it installing patches and crap until then and that's this is
1:27:31this is the view of PC gaming they still have because I didn't play a lot of
1:27:35games after mid college or so they just kind of ran a time and then after
1:27:40college I got a job and enough time then my friends were in different places
1:27:43kinda fell out of gaming but his PC gaming I mean obviously nowadays you can
1:27:49bring over LCDs or at a laptop with be amazing I mean we all had a home built
1:27:56desktop with like 19 inch CRT monitors so it was it was quite an ordeal these
1:28:02days I imagine it's a lot better but I bet you still have a lot of that
1:28:06software crap to deal with is that still the case
1:28:08it's not as bad as as certainly as bad as it used to be and for the most part
1:28:13if you're lucky and have some minimum amount of knowledge you can get a
1:28:17similar experience that is what people are getting these days on their PCs you
1:28:21get a headset mic you get the internet for your networking problems everyone
1:28:25has their on-screen you're not always going the same place but it's close ish
1:28:28people stop LAN parties like the pacs you know conference they have a giant
1:28:33land room or you can bring your own PC or use them on there and they still do
1:28:37that when I see people on the giant land rooms at conventions and stuff is just
1:28:41you know row after a people sitting at PC is looking at this screen is wearing
1:28:44headset mics I think how important is it to these people are on the same room and
1:28:48is not as important as it was when you're in your friends are on the same
1:28:51room because the technology like it's not just you the screen the master
1:28:54keyboard and headset mic and the fact that the guy yelling at us for seats
1:28:57away means nothing because you never even look at maybe in smaller atmosphere
1:29:01is more important but I think for the most part to the Internet and technology
1:29:05has come to make most of that an important one thing that the younger
1:29:09people I remember is that the original Xbox you can bring out over someone's
1:29:13house can look it up and play Halo
1:29:16multi-room multiplayer halo experience and that's what I think was the may be
1:29:20the last thing to be loved from house to house original Xboxes but nowadays no
1:29:25one likes their consoles I think they basically keep in their house and use
1:29:28the magic of the Internet to that stuff it's it's it's funny to me because
1:29:32channeling my inner bitter old man like we were talking about last episode yeah
1:29:37I just remember so vividly the the pain of finding a null modem cable which
1:29:42looked in many ways like a serial cable but different and then had to string
1:29:47them together and then you had to set up everyone in the same like really really
1:29:50hot room because no matter what how big the room was and how good the air
1:29:55conditioning was when you put all of these humongous machines at these CRT
1:30:00that weren't exactly cool either and you put them on this little room with all
1:30:04these teenage dudes at probably don't have the best hygiene anyway and then
1:30:07you sit there need to read those and Mountain Dew for hours and in just
1:30:12playing these games like doom and whatnot
1:30:15when you when you can scream and yell at each other and you're right next to each
1:30:18other
1:30:18and then I remembered as somebody mentioned the chat and one of my
1:30:21all-time favorites was plain to send and the first to sin and you're playing that
1:30:26not only against your friends and but locally but also playing it via modem
1:30:33directly between two friends and then eventually when Kali Kali or whatever it
1:30:38was called came out in India would let it would masquerade it would let the
1:30:44internet internet masquerade as an IPX network which is all that most of these
1:30:48games supported at the time and I got it was so much fun and it was so it was
1:30:53such a defining part of my childhood like between that and all of the
1:30:58Nintendo consoles I know I i jokingly begrudge did as recently as earlier this
1:31:02episode the whole game thing but got it was such a big part of my my upbringing
1:31:06in my childhood I spent so much time playing these games and it's just so
1:31:12weird to me like not to get all I have happened I don't know I just like I
1:31:17don't mean this to be dismissive but I guess I just grew out of it like it just
1:31:20wasn't a priority to me anymore and I can't even remember the last game that i
1:31:25played that I was really really into I guess maybe Metal Gear Solid on the
1:31:30original PlayStation and it was probably not the first Metal Gear Solid either
1:31:34when PlayStation 3 is a $99 and a couple years I'll send you on a journey you're
1:31:42not gonna leave me alone and I believe anybody alone Marco you still in your
1:31:46schedule to yeah it was Marco schedule whenever the hell markets around your
1:31:53schedule like most things in his life
1:31:56it's very different these days that you know networking is ubiquitous or if not
1:32:03ubiquitous darn near ubiquitous and and it's such a far cry from what we had to
1:32:08deal with in and I'm not saying that to make it sound like I walked uphill both
1:32:11ways it's not at all the point it's just it's surprising to me how much
1:32:15technology has changed in so little time where our children will not have any of
1:32:21these woes that we have like I remember to connect to the internet originally
1:32:25my dad and I spent literally a couple of weeks trying to figure out I believe not
1:32:31only the modem initialization string or whatever you called it the eighty
1:32:34whatever whatever whatever strength but then also the corrects it slept IP
1:32:41script to figure out the correct slips trips right now probably told the story
1:32:47before and I'm sorry but my goodness it was such pain and and and when we
1:32:52finally got it was such a said set a sense of accomplishment and and it's
1:32:57just it's not the same anymore nothing in your kids these days of different
1:33:00issues that they have to overcome like windows behind nevertheless it's just so
1:33:05funny to me how different things are today I mean ultimately it's better
1:33:10today I mean like yeah but you know I well thanks like two or three sponsor
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1:34:20I disagree with with something that jon said a few minutes back which is about
1:34:25how how network play kind of replaced in person play i I don't think it's
1:34:31anywhere near the same thing and the headset and the constant voice chat does
1:34:35improve things a lot but I know there's there's something about you know just
1:34:40being in the same room or being like in the next room over from the people who
1:34:45were who you're playing against and when you start marching into their base and
1:34:48you you can like hear them swear and get and get all upset about it or like like
1:34:53we had a rule during our land games for total annihilation we had a rule that
1:34:56you were not allowed to mute the sound or wear headphones you had to use
1:35:01audible sound you can turn down there had to be audible and so you could like
1:35:07there was even strategy and that like be careful what you click because the other
1:35:10person might hear you click on a big unit makes a certain sound all know you
1:35:13have one or so there's all these little factors you could you could a dinner
1:35:18that or that just happened that made it more interesting more rich experience to
1:35:23be in the same room as people and be playing with people as opposed to get
1:35:27everyone on the same server together you know and and I think I think looking at
1:35:32that what probably really killed the LAN party as being a thing besides how
1:35:36incredibly expensive and complicated and time consuming it was was the N 64
1:35:43getting four players that like the n64 came out at roughly the same time that
1:35:49we were doing all this stuff and a little before but it really came into
1:35:53its own by that time so like we were faced with alright well what do you
1:35:57wanna do time do you wanna all bring your computers over and dick around with
1:36:00Windows for two hours or do you want to just come over and play Goldeneye and
1:36:06it's already here and Mario Kart Wii U two guys bring controllers will only
1:36:11have to otherwise you know I get it was like my feelings in person playing of of
1:36:18four-player good and 64 and forward games I think that really didn't warrant
1:36:23a LAN party I didn't say that it was the same but it did replace it and the same
1:36:28way that when you went from what replace their land parties were replaced it
1:36:32four players Christine four players quit split screen is not the same because
1:36:35everybody can see everybody else's screen but it did replace it so like I
1:36:39said if you look at how are people doing most of their multiplayer gaming it used
1:36:42to be that the super hardcore gamers were having LAN parties nowadays the
1:36:46super hardcore Land Park gamers are sitting in front of a screen with a
1:36:49headset on so we replaced it and like I was thinking of the in person thing like
1:36:53the places where land party still exist like a convention is often when I see
1:36:56people playing it giant LAN party conventions they're playing at the LAN
1:37:00party the same way they play at home which is headphones on headset on
1:37:03staring at the screen in front of them which is not you know it's not the same
1:37:07here right but that's that is what has replaced like those other aspects that
1:37:11were different
1:37:12were deemed not as important as the aspects that they liked us like when you
1:37:15went to four players but it's going to split screen goldeneye the aspects that
1:37:19you are missing having private streams were a significant but we're not the
1:37:23most important thing most important thing is you're having fun with your
1:37:25friends and for most people the inconvenience of traveling to the to be
1:37:30the same place like one of the scheduling you know getting everybody
1:37:34when they're all free at the same time and can travel to someone's house to sit
1:37:39on their couch together to play a game even when you've eliminated a land party
1:37:42stuff it's hard to do that is to pay when dinner is done and the kids are in
1:37:48bed let me just wander into my computer room and everyone get online the same
1:37:51way we do a podcast get online at nine o'clock and that works out you know so
1:37:55it is definitely different and there are aspects that are not as good and you're
1:37:59missing things but convince wins out eventually and that's true but to me
1:38:04some of my favorite memories of doing these quote-unquote LAN parties or no
1:38:09modem party's gonna call them was if not the whooping and hollering that happened
1:38:14during the games I've marco was describing but man the trash talk
1:38:17afterwards like after a session or a game around or whatever was over when
1:38:22you would just kill happily fun getting each others faces and start screaming
1:38:27and yelling at all I can't believe you did that you would say and I totally
1:38:30slaughtered you on that level of noxious but that was the most fun in the world
1:38:36and and that just don't see and it's hard for me to say can only play games
1:38:41that much anymore but I don't see that
1:38:42happening at a LAN party or special II if you're not co-located I'm pretty sure
1:38:49trash talk still works over headset mic someone to play someone who plays video
1:38:52games can confirm to me that perhaps still is that thing on the internet you
1:38:56know what I mean I'm pretty sure trash talk is the only thing that goes over
1:38:59headset mics that's true I was trying to do like a verbal sarcasm tax because
1:39:05sometimes people don't catch it like when when I said the Mac Mini has a Core
1:39:082 Duo and corrected me as I was serious that was sarcasm folks we invented in
1:39:14New York where everything is good for the best we we've mister Ohio
1:39:24you left so it's more important to be from there then John where we can say
1:39:34what state New York and would you ask me
1:39:39Virginia and Connecticut under know some crazy state New York John New York how
1:39:45long were you in New York at least a few minutes of your formative years there
1:39:48the thing that the thing that mold you into the man that you are your formative
1:39:52years the calls formative for a reason why did you spend those years so well
1:39:56not new york so I 0 through like 24 Montgomery New York then we bounced
1:40:04around for a little bit when I was really young kid in kindergarten through
1:40:08second grade I believe it was I was in Carmel New York and New York not New
1:40:15York come upstate up it's not out of state my god it's basically Canada
1:40:20market like an hour and a half from new york city it is not that upstate you can
1:40:28get very pretty out there in an hour and a half from new york city you can get an
1:40:32hour and a half from New York City not be upstate is by going east into the
1:40:37ocean over Long Island
1:40:39as bridges and tunnels traffic and wine what they actually that I wanted to to
1:40:46mention here only if you're talking about as LAN party in PC gaming crap is
1:40:51that so one of the like four core guys that that I had to land parties with is
1:40:56getting married the spring and as part of the bachelor party we're renting a
1:41:00house somewhere for the weekend and we want to play LAN games again so I think
1:41:05we're gonna do to to have this done is it cuz we don't wanna play new games
1:41:10wanna play total annihilation and you know maybe supreme commander at the
1:41:13newest which has came out late 2004 something so they're not new games by
1:41:18any stretch and so what I'm thinking is thinking of configuring cause I don't
1:41:25want to have to spend a whole weekend downloading stuff of a god knows what
1:41:28connection and configuring stuff there that's that's not a good use of a
1:41:31weekend in a big house so stinking tekserve will rent you MacBook Pros like
1:41:38body day or by the week and for pretty reasonable price was thinking I could
1:41:42just like rent like six MacBook Pros and having a pre-configured parallels avian
1:41:49that I could just today I would set up beforehand and just copied all them and
1:41:56played out wait is that is that plausible you think you could try try
1:41:59boxer boxer no no these are no it's unfortunate either Windows games like
1:42:05like to isolation is like a Windows 98 era game but it works on Windows doesn't
1:42:10run and us know and and supreme commander is like a DirectX 9 game it's
1:42:15pretty relatively recent it's 10 years old but relatively recent righteous but
1:42:21the the macro present the windows cause I don't know how I think that that might
1:42:27take too long to like to get to get a real bootcamp partition I guess I could
1:42:31like images somehow I know how to do that though
1:42:35there's this imaging prices anyway things you probably aren't up
1:42:41fertilization any one of the things that were unreasonably heavy industry and try
1:42:46to on your Mac Pro to see if it can if it does sign in and where ya and to
1:42:51enter the chat people the reason I don't just get Windows machines because I just
1:42:56want I want to like have all the setup before I rent the computers and before I
1:43:00get there have a V I'm sort of like you just copied over and be and be done with
1:43:04it not spent hours and hours and hours making this work I predict that no
1:43:09matter what you do to prepare for this part of the LAN party springs will be
1:43:13preserved and that will be the part of you dicking around the computer so glad
1:43:19that that shouldn't be a failure that should be considered part of the success
1:43:22you know I've tried to get so back into games like so many times there's a
1:43:27greater the podcast called up three moves ahead and it's like a strategy
1:43:31gaming podcast also like a lot of good stuff just about people they have the
1:43:35chemistry this was interesting show but I get right into that and I listened to
1:43:40the episode about ancient game that I'm aware of but all the ones about new
1:43:43games I don't know what the heck they're talking about and it's like the whole
1:43:47world that habit has moved on for like 10 years since I stopped paying
1:43:52attention to it and I i feel like i cant get back into it now I'm excited to play
1:43:58games with my ancient friends in this one occasion I'm excited about that but
1:44:04like i dont wanna play total isolation against range on the Internet today
1:44:08well you have you can look at the good way in the bed with a bad way as the
1:44:12you're missing out on all these great games and you are missing out on the
1:44:15good way is that by being ignorant for so long in your future somewhere Eliza
1:44:20time when you're going to to somehow StumbleUpon define yourself playing a
1:44:25modern game and you're going to be like oh my god I didn't know when did this
1:44:29happen two games will be in July gonna happen to me with console games cause I
1:44:32didn't I never own game consoles my parents didn't let me have one and I
1:44:37stopped kind of playing them over my friends house once I really got into
1:44:39computers with that sort of dominated my life and I like around the SNES era kind
1:44:44of faded away from consoles and the next time I paid any attention all consoles
1:44:48as when I saw my cousins Nintendo 64 Mariners it apart like oh my god when
1:44:52did this happen it's not like I hadn't seen 3d graphics before I grew up
1:44:55playing quake with new cards or whatever or friends house but seeing again
1:44:59console with analog second seeing Mary 64 which is like a shock to my system
1:45:03and totally brought me back to console game and it also helped that point I was
1:45:06old enough to buy my own so where you will have your marriage 64 moment and
1:45:11you will probably get back into it but in the meantime you should use my
1:45:13strategy with cars because I'm never driver you know with the exception of
1:45:18seeing here in five see any cars real-life have anything to do with them
1:45:21but I've been reading car magazine since I was like 10 years old by continuously
1:45:26so despite the fact that I didn't own any cars and so many many years now I've
1:45:31only had a couple of cars in my entire life I still feel like I'm in the car
1:45:34seeing just by reading magazines every month for my entire adult and half of
1:45:41child life so you could have been doing that if you really cared I mean I kind
1:45:44of do too I read all the game I read the gaming news there in the game console
1:45:48magazines and grant I have like five consoles like the TV but I don't have
1:45:52all of them and no play all the PC games but I'm aware of them so it's kind of
1:45:55like a you know what what point is that reading car magazines about cars you
1:46:00never going on what point is it really gay magazines about games never gonna
1:46:03play both kind of the same thing I do both I'm hearing you say if I remove
1:46:08made me remember as I'm getting on this nostalgic kick that one 3d card that we
1:46:13had a thing as the first one we got where it would take this short little
1:46:17study cable in tin plugged into the VGA out of your actual video card and then
1:46:22plug it into a VGA and on the 3d daughter card and then the VGA out that
1:46:28goes to monitor was on that 3d daughter card goodness it was so terrible you
1:46:33know the crappy old days due to my first good 3223 because I think the first one
1:46:40that was all integrated and didn't have that stupid hack I remember back in the
1:46:44day when I when I was excited to get a soundblaster so I could listen I like
1:46:48the sound effects on Carmen Sandiego is like a ten year
1:46:51whatever I want whenever I was the good old days of baiting PC users when they
1:46:55had their computers couldn't do basic things like have an auto switching 10
1:47:00100 Ethernet cable hope you mentioned the Xbox or a sound card when you need
1:47:05to sound card for my camera supercomputers complete games in my very
1:47:10first masking with two buns future