The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► it's not as exciting as it sounds because you may be stopped before I [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► explain but now explain you'll see that it's not exciting so I've been looking [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► at getting it different video card for my Mac to search tide me over and [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► looking into getting in as the enduring also thinks says it doesn't look like [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► I'm getting a Mac Pro anytime soon and I'll be able to email me with [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► suggestions for things to get and one personal email me with an offer of an [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► old video card they had out of their 2008 Mac Pro don't remember who is [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► through feedback from some of this person wants me to get out his name so I [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► won't but someone said hey I've got Radeon 4870 sitting in my closet by [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► using do you wanna and I said sure and so they sent along and just arrived [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► today I haven't installed it yet but I was very nice thing to do and it is [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► instead of being a seven year old video card it's like a sixer five year old [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► video card but it's twice as fast as they want to have in there now and it [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► ought it and it's it's an apple supplied card so it's not like a weird / PC card [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► or anything like that so I think it should work and if it works just doubled [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► my video card speed wow very exciting but you know I also have some boring [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► update to mind which nobody will care about basically I change my order I [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► previously said in a show that I wanted the eight-core d700 because what the [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► hell it's not you know the gig was a big jump at 3701 sure that little relatively [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► speaking really isn't I step out of the six core Indy 500 because after [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► evaluating what was going on and the actual price I realize you know I don't [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► really want to have spent twenty $100 total extra just for those two upgrades [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► and that my actual usage of the thing I'm probably not going to see that much [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► of the benefit going from the six core da cor to be worth so much more money if [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► it was only a few more dollars I would have gone for it but 1,500 for that and [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► for 600 for the d700 will probably never used to its full capacity I realized I'd [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► be happier having spent a lot less on the computer and then upgraded in you [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► know two or three years instead of 5 I'll feel less bad about selling a two [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► or three old one that was only you know just under 5,000 instead of one that was [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► just over 7,000 [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► so it's a pretty big price difference I didn't think it was worth the ones for [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► me but when the when the retina displays come out and you ditch this trash can [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► for a nerd trash can do it better if you had the seven hundred and they're so I [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► would it would be more attractive to me to buy your old one off you [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► yeah so I really really blog post about an hour ago mostly so we wouldn't have [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► to go into this into much depth on the show [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► Casey I know it is entirely a favor to KCR this up in a blog post instead [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► basically the gist of it is I think that the way they're going to do right now is [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► not be no two years off doing 5120 by 2880 I think what they're actually going [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► to do is using for K and using software scaling as we actually talked about like [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► two months ago I think that's gonna do I think that's that's probably coming up [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► soon [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► like that that could easily happen this year that mean they can release the [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► display today if they wanted to other manufacturers are very similar displays [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► a very good price point so I think that's how we're gonna do right now and [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► therefore think it will be compatible with the current 400 follow-up time [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► let's do it mean to sound effect for that the promised an effective kind of [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► wish I don't know if we could pull off the cap off gaza cool the weekend [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► business and in fact that there is the son of a Greek toponym couple weeks ago [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► maybe I remember when it was even last week we talked about how I talked about [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► one of my pet peeves about software development and that's having a group of [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► people make a product and then having all those people leave and just having [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► like a skeleton crew there to deal with the product emerging about this in the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► context of Apple's iLife apps and they're they're iWork apps and all the [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► other apps that have seemed certain languished as years have gone by Marie [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► speculating maybe it's because most of the people who are on that project were [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► taken off to go someplace else and I said you gotta leave the development him [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► on a project once you make a product you can take those people off and one person [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► wrote in to disagree with me that it was a good idea to make people get stuck on [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► a project like that cuz what if they want to go off and do something else [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► they shouldn't have to stay with the price they created its own self-worth [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► and tried to clarify this in the program but apparently wasn't clear enough so I [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► just wanna say it again it's not that the people who make the product to stay [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► with their product is that the company has to dedicate manpower to that product [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► as long as it exists so you can't like a similar level of effort and manpower has [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► to be applied to approximately where all those people do it I don't want to have [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► the full size team under progress just going through minor revisions year after [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► year as any single developer knows even just keeping up with OS revisions is [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► almost as big a job of writing the up in the first place in some ways it's worse [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► in some ways easier but presumably are also going to improve the product as [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► time goes on if you don't put a team similar in size and capability that made [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► the product on the products you know permanently MROs it will slowly get [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► worse in relation to the competition in relation to other applications and that [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► seems to be what's happening with love apples applications just to clarify its [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► not saying that if you're a developer you make an image editing out you're [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► doomed forever in that company to work and image editing out forever you're not [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► but there have you have to leave a team behind more or less and not tiny little [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► maintenance team or a team of like being see players or any other way when you [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► think you gonna save money or time you're doing your company and your [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► customers a disservice it's hard and it's it's also interesting with [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► consulting because in my experience what what happens is company will either not [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► have the manpower or perhaps the expertise to do some sort of project and [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► so in my day job they'll call in some of our people and we don't do staff August [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► by the way of describing we really do is that we get a team of our own people [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► together and we all work on this project for usually few months and then at the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► end of that project typically what happens is will do a lil have a very [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► small crew that stays behind figuratively speaking in order to do [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► some final maintenance and warranty work [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► but then after that we usually punted back to the client and their internal [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► team in order to maintain and sometimes it goes really well when clients have [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► really good internal teams and kinda know what's up but sometimes that does [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► not go well at all we hear later on through the grapevine that that the [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► crime doesn't have the appropriate expertise even when they think they do [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► and and that create some real problems but they're mean there's not much we can [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► do about that other it cuz it sounds extremist self-serving and it is kind of [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► self-serving for us to say oh well why don't you keep us on retainer for ever [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► and will be around just in case it it's not the way it works in specially when [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► you work for a fairly progressive firm like I do well granted we do the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► Microsoft stack with some of you probably don't think it is progressive [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► but within our Microsoft world were very progressive in and out of our code a [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► novice or even intermediate level programmer would probably have a hard [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► time digesting and doubly so if there if it's a program that's never seen the [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► code until the time in which we throw it over over the wall and walk away that [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► happens even inside a single company forget about outside consultant or [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► anything very often and maybe even that Apple had enough that you'll have a team [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► that will make a product and it's not like the team that made the progress [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► necessarily more experience the better programmers or anything that any other [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► people but they understand the process understand wanted to sign the way it was [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► designed they understand the design itself and if those people go off [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► without it without transitioning like they are you work on the product and [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► then I can goes into whatever maintenance mode or like into general [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► purpose release where anyone in the company's allowed to address bugs in it [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► or whatever if if it's sort of like okay now anyone know any developer the [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► company could fix a bug those developers don't like likely don't understand the [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► design of application out put together what the invariant is supposed to be in [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► you know you're like well it should be documented in there should be designed [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► documents that should be good comments it should be lol should should should [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► but the reality is you know parameters are not interchangeable parts and [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► there's a core team of people who understand the product unless you [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► transition them away from the project assuming they want to go away from it by [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► socializing the new developers like you know bring the new guy on board teaching [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► how everything works out that person improved documentation so you can't just [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► like throw down into the wild [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► people doing things in the code where it looks perfectly fine and it's simple [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► enough they understand it and it works but they've violated some unspoken [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► invariant that everybody was on the original team understands has to be true [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► but there were no assertion slaughter there was no design document specifying [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► maybe there was that in see it and if the cumulation of those just you know [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► either way the quality of the code makes it more difficult to change down the [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► line is no such thing as like except for like US government software Defense [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► Department's offers these things maintenance mode if you have a product [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► is selling it to customers who need developers will understand it actively [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► working on it plus another follow up item we're talking about it where where [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► computers are going in the future and / I think I was talking about unification [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► the memory and storage hierarchies so the dire que would still be there but [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► from a software perspective everything's address balls an address in memory even [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► if it's backed by you know / or regular on more catches on a chip or register as [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► you know the whole hierarchy bit addressable in the same way sort of you [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► know imagine a few genius hardware and a lot of you heard in with examples [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► systems they do that this time no one last time I brought up a lot of people [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► are talking about memory mapping files and stuff like that of course there are [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► many many examples the computers are all sitting in front of right now and even [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► on our iPods are everywhere listen to this on major versions memory mapping [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► files is the most common example where you too instead of doing I on the file [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► you just pretend hey now the entire conference that files map into memories [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► not really but that's how you address it and when you address those pieces of [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► memory just as ok well I don't actually have that information and stunt dis song [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► and go get it from disk bulletin for you and make it look like it was in the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► memory all virtual you know virtual memory and works in a similar manner [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► with the memory mapping and we talked about the PlayStation game consoles [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► where they don't have a separate pools of RAM NVRAM of course is the good [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► version of that where it's one big giant pool faster and with the crappy version [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► of that which PCs to do in the bad old days where they didn't want to give you [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► dedicated VRAM they would use your main memory has been around is really bad [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► performance because video memory could be tuned to video test better and you [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► know this on the older computers to read as a member of the car responded to [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► you know I O interfaces read is a member that correspond to the screen so you [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► wrote that reason member you really ready to video memory they would show up [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► on the screen directly and all sorts of other things the big one that most [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► people run about I was the as400 which I'd completely forgotten about insurance [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► to below are completely forgot about in fact they renamed as 400 to high-five [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► system are some ideas changed their names haven't kept up the stuff anyway [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► this is a very old system based on an even older system from the sixties that [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► does what they cost single-level storage exactly what I was talking about just [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► addressing everything as it was a memory address even when it's not about these [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► links miscarriage people I read about it but a lot of technology that he heard [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► this before like in other rooms where things appearance supercars and grow or [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► Mercedes or whatever like any luck breaks and air bags and gradually [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► trickled away down until your Ford Festiva has all the features a decade [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► later the trickle-down happened similarly computers were going from [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► mainframes and supercomputers down to your phone but it happens unevenly and [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► it seems like it sometimes a little bit slower and there are still things that [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► mainframes or whatever you recall mainframes today we are still things [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► those systems can do that our systems can't do and we're still waiting them to [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► trickle-down things like to be able to hotswap CPUs and you know hardware [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► redundancy sort of self-healing type features inside my PC or it's only four [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► things about to run 24 7 lots of excuses why these things having trickle-down it [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► makes sense but I would think that inevitably anything that's a good idea [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► there is eventually gonna find its way down so single-level star i think is a [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► reasonably good idea and will eventually find its way down into your wristwatch [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► pinky ring contact lens computer in the decades to come [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► and the other features like you know hardware redundancy inability heal and [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► stuff I think it's a whole topic around the data maybe I'll throw in there but [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► have some other interesting ideas about the future of computing but I don't [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► think the fall it ends up being pinky rings i think im out by then Prime be [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► safer thinking brings a finger fingers will swell noted stuck on the tube [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► go to the ER to get them cut off goodness we want to talk about [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► PlayStation 4 is now the damn thats 2012 my through and I'm trying not to pay too [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► much attention to see [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► MNCs just so gross I have never been interested in it it's disappointing to [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► me even when I had interests like I would like to see what the new TVs [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► coming out or that such as the worst possible venue I would like to know [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► about new TVs have been redesigned the spectacle CSX noting that in fact that [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► subtract from it was all the companies making announcements that I'm interested [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► it's es made the same insurance but like a YouTube video our press release [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► anything other than a stage presentation at see it seems like CES represents like [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► the worst of the hardware industry like it's it's so much you know tone deafness [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► sexes weird products the worst of the hardware industry is the worst of [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► humanity and the products that are announced there at like 10 people are [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► doing the best of CES the fight that the products are announced they're so rarely [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► make it into production or when they do make it into production day they have a [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► lot of problems that this year's version glossed over it didn't have a lot of [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► limitations or something like that it's basically like it's it's a way for the [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► industry to celebrate itself under the guise of announcing things to the world [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► and showing off what's new but in reality most the thing showing off their [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► either aren't interesting or are interesting but also fantasies that [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► whenever hit the market seems like the press has a real hard time covering see [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► yes and the problem of CES seems to be that no one including the people [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► presenting and the people covering it can differentiate seems to be able to [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► differentiate between the stuff that is obviously ridiculous crap and that in [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► the light of day when you wake up when it's all over your goal wide however [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► ever pay attention to that and things that are you know interesting news and [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► because it all starts to look the same in this big fun house atmosphere whereas [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► if you would just look at the things individually there's no way you would [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► cover that of someone put out a press release on their site and put up with [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► information about some crazy things that no one's ever going to use you would [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► skip it but because it sees yes everything sort of get equal treatment [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► so [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► I like I'm interested in what about the saying it there I'm interested in the [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► new television technology I'm interested in some of the new you know the steam [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► box stuff and the camera tech stuff but all that stuff doesn't need that [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► surrounding dazzle and ridiculousness if you just have interesting products to [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► announce announce them this this is an OCS related and I went overnight danger [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► but there's a story that Sony announced how many places in four states oh and [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► they said it's 4.2 million and Microsoft announce the better week ago that they'd [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► sold three million Xbox console so we talked when places for lunch they sold [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► two million twenty-four hours into the Xbox that similar numbers in my car [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► that's financier lead opposite see if they can sustain that looks like they're [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► both consoles are doing pretty well more or less neck-and-neck PlayStation 4 [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► maybe a little bit ahead but I think I think the PlayStation 4 still supply [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► constrained and it seems like from pictures I see people on Twitter that if [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► you want an Xbox one you could go into a store and see this big stack of green [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► boxes and pick 1 I'm not sure that's entirely true but I know from experience [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► that you cannot destroy into a storm victim ps4 at this point because I [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► looked online and you're not hard but you know I'm just curious like about [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► minister the cells but how does it look and see if that many and they don't and [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► occasional look online and CEO do any of these things have it available for order [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► and they don't so i think it's still harder to place for and PlayStation for [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► selling more so maybe they're probably read to me think but either way both of [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► them doing very very well I would say the discussion console generation is off [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► to a strong start [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► are there any games that people actually want yeah that's the thing I like I [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► don't think there's no there's some good games coming out like I mean he was [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► shown by Microsoft Titan fall and sony has a couple of good titles in the works [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► but there is no big system so against as you know that the typical franchise [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► games that are all the platforms you can also plan it bc but who cares it's not [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► like the other part of these platforms are being propelled by some must have [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► exclusive game like Halo or something people just new consoles now I wonder so [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► in previous launches there's there's usually been you know maybe one system [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► out of the best of the bunch that didn't have any like must have launched has [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► there ever been a generation before this where none of them [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► had any must have games online like a lot of time a lot of times they would [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► launch but with a couple of the GameCube did not have must have games at lunch [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► the Xbox 10 I must have you had hello people to know how it was going to be [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► any good was the first Halo game like I don't think that person making people go [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► out and buy original Xbox because there was a son of an unknown quantity may be [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► a few Mac users who followed by Andrew thought it was awesome everyone else [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► like Halo what I don't know about that I i mean i dont member of the ps2 I guess [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► I read razor something that console settle in and like that the reason I [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► thought these two new consults would do well as i said i think im a preview show [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► that for many people of the of the age to be having enough disposable income to [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► buy their own consoles or to get their parents about this is their first new [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► console generation their whole life they've been using like their [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 then maybe the previous generation from their older [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► siblings or whatever this is the first console generation they're living [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► through after seven or eight long years of using all the past acts so I think [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► the market was ripe for tons and tons of people who want and shiny new thing [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► people who aren't like grizzled veterans of many console generations and it seems [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► like that was the case I have to imagine this must be building a lifelong [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► disappointment and game systems from these people though if the very first [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► awesome thing they're looking forward to this game system the very first new [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► computer comes out for like you know some eight year old and they get it and [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► there's only like four games for it and they're all kind of mediocre like is [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► that it had a great experience that's part of the experience having been [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► through many console generation part of the experience is getting super excited [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► about the console and then even if you're lucky even if you get you like [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► I'm getting intend to 64 is gonna have married it's gonna blow my brains out in [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► the totally does its amazing game everybody loves it and then you play [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► like okay what else can I get like [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► and pilings thing you know and then you're like well I guess it was like [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► we've raised that wasn't bad the lot launch games are usually not the best [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► games like and even if there's one that's really great maybe if you're [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► lucky you get one's really great [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► consoles have life cycles for kids who don't know that they're going to learn [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► the hard lesson the hard lesson of like the software in the modern age of [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► software that comes at lunch they sucks it needs to be patched a million times [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► does not have to be true he wanted his buggy as hell and like just wait like [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► there's a life cycle this is the beginning part as good parts exciting to [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► get a lunch date signed to be the first one to have it and bad cause the games [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► are just like ports or multi-platform titles in the few exclusive you play [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► through are interested in and just wait like it's it's all part of the process I [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► think it's it's making a new generation of gamers and now even have like a lot [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► of hardware problems to him have you been following that depends reno's saga [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► of trying to get an Xbox he's gotten like five of them broken so far [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► think all the companies in the entire world that should be wary of carefully [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► designed hardware Microsoft and he's probably just as I haven't heard any you [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► know he's just getting unlucky but after the red ring of death and billions of [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► dollars in writedowns for hardware replacement and people being on their [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► sixth and seventh Xbox 360 surely Microsoft got it right this time [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► apparently all the funny thing is to apparently the biggest source of their [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► problems is the disk drive with you would think I mean is it that new of a [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► thing like you would think we would know how to make reliable optical disc drives [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► in 2014 every time I think about this I just keep thinking back to the [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► PlayStation 3 I'm like that machine should have fallen apart in people's [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► hands like crazy Cell processor first thing with a blu-ray drive and waiting [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► for the stupid blue blazers and others like I don't understand and then like [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► Playstations and just you know been fine and it doesn't make any sense that [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► Microsoft screwed up with the much more conservative approach to go any more [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► concerned now and then these hard drive problem I don't understand maybe I mean [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► there's something to be said for Sony's decades and decades of experience [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► building to electronics and Microsoft considerably smaller [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► experience the real Xbox one was just a fluke because it was fun at the very [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► first Xbox it was a PC crammed into a small box and it was fine [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► like you know you would think it would have overheated some wonder how to the [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► problem it was fun I never heard of a widespread problem has been so that well [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► either so well I mean this their their Christmas 360 like the reason it shape [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► the way it was a speaker's Xbox is huge lol right and so they made the excessive [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► amounts of all alright well anyway they made that they made the successor it [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► skinny seats practice like an hour less look as skinny it is and maybe you [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► should get a room for cooling and it wasn't even that ski well I know but [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► like you said they were going for like we don't want to make a gigantic by and [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► they should have been an Xbox one is pretty big and so is the place for that [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► matter we'll see I i something dangerous thing to just be you know bad luck will [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► it's not like we start seeing stories into this get the name like red ring of [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► death among know it's an issue do we want to answer the question who needs a [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► Mac Pro in there because you know again with you about what kind of computer on [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► again whether in the buying a Mac Pro lots of people have this is one common [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► strain of feedback or you need a Mac Pro for Marco to what is marketing are you [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► guys don't need this computer and this kind of logic an argument and [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► questioning like what is it that you're doing the Union democrat I was getting [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► from my what it what games are you playing specifically the offensive video [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► card and there's a snarky answer like it was game on Twitter which is four games [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► four games I don't have now that's why you buy that's why one of the reasons I [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► buy a big fancy computer is not for the games that are that are out now before [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► the end of term yet to 34 years from now on to play those to your computer but [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► that's besides the point this line of reasoning of like [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► you need to have a practical reason for this thing that you're getting otherwise [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► you shouldn't get it only seems to apply in certain situations certainly applies [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► in this situation we're talking about big expensive computers but I was trying [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► to think of other situations where people are comfortable with it not apply [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► having trouble coming up with good examples I thought of like if you get a [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► bigger TV occasionally I guess someone might ask what do you need to be that [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► big book for but for the most part people understand you're not getting a [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► big TV because like well i watch golf lot and I was having trouble seeing the [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► ball so I need television so the ball's bigger people kind of intuitively [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► understand that it's more sort of immersive and exciting to look at a [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► bigger screen than a smaller ones when you say you got a bigger TV people don't [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► say why did you get a bigger one why what is it that you like literally [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► asking like is there some kind of program that you watch that was not [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► working correctly with your smaller television and now work with a big one [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► or why do you need granite countertops what was wrong with you do you do [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► something to do certain kind of cooking that only works on granted to you do [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► like pastry dough you need to suck where the heat and like sometimes you just [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► want to have countertops and looked like nice shiny granted I guess the answer [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► and the same thing with the computer I feel like there are reasons why I might [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► want to get it but why not everything has to be a need there's such an idea [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► like a luxury item and you can choose a luxury items are maybe a luxury item is [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► very fancy furniture or a nice how how surgery are really expensive watch or [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► lots of vacations or whatever or maybe a 335 instead of 328 used him but yeah but [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► now it's like a certain things people except as indulgences or as a hobby [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► interest or whatever and the things people don't accept as an intelligence [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► and demand justification you must have an actual need are you running maybe you [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► just want to have a fast computer because you're Intertechnology fast [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► computers are fun to have my I think that's a perfectly valid reason its [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► large part of my reason a large part of marcos reason I don't think anyone [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► should ever get caught in the idea where they have to justify through work [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► related examples like these are related example that will show me the game that [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► needs this video card like [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► that's a ridiculous example if you don't need to play games period if I gave your [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► like all right when I see why you need one walk as I need to play its first [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► person shooter why you play the first person shooter that we accept this fun [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► you're allowed to play a game just because it's fun but you know I have a [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► fast computer just because it's not so the only way you can just buy the [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► computer is to point to the game you're gonna play which I except they are [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► allowed to use yeah I think I think part of it is it's a combination of you that [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► part of part of that like why do you need this is that these are very [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► expensive items and so it's killing it in to say you know like buy expensive [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► cars to say like oh I I got this car that's really really expensive but you [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► can't afford it that's people don't like hearing that it's not a great thing to [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► spread around and you know computerize but not as expensive as cars but they're [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► still very expensive and they're like computer the Mac Pro are unaffordable to [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► many people and so there's that ass but the other aspect is that computers do [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► have this weird blend of some people need for that nobody needs a TV for work [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► except Jay Dr Meyer nobody else needs a TV for work and you know we all use [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► computers for work nowadays that not everybody but everyone everyone talking [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► on the show and probably a lot of listeners we all use computers for work [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► and we also use computers for hotties and for leisure and entertainment and [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► and so it's there are people who do need the Mac Pro for work you know if your [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► professional video editor [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► working with four k content you are probably going to need it you know if [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► you're if you're doing certain other things we need to but it's the number of [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► people who need the Mac Pro or who need like all the way decked out laptop or [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► iMac is a pretty small number really but you're right you know it is just [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► distorted because some people do need them for work but for most of us it's [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► just we want things to be nicer in a little bit faster countertop example to [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► some people need a granite countertops their pastry chefs are like it doesn't [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► take the heat out of the dough is faster than I remember this is a reason why you [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► need an account doesn't bother you could conceivably you could conceivably need [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► but then most people don't get them for that reason one person point out that [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► like well the difference between not needing to play a game is the game show [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► less expensive than a Mac Pro well super high end games like Crysis 3 the gaming [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► up expensive but the computer that you need to run a decently certainly is but [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► you know prices are relative like this macro may seem like it's super expensive [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► thing right to buy it but compared to the cost of living in a nicer [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► neighborhood going on more vacations are like all the other things that people [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► can spend their money on like to know if we want to live as cheaply as possible [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► we would not have happened things that we have and we will take it get into a [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► career that doesn't involve computers and we all be farmers or something right [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► and you know it's all about like you know how you spend your time like you [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► know for me like I I spend so much time in front of a computer for daily there [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► was a tweet at River go that has gotten the most retweeted never tweeted and [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► it's something on the lines of if you sit on look at or touch something for [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► more than two hours a day [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► spend whatever it takes to get the best and so that includes keyboards mice your [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► chair of yours if you sit at a desk all day you better have a nice share a nice [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► keyboard a nice mouse and a nice monitor you know if the things that you use all [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► time you get nice things it's always good to get a good mattress to sleep on [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► you know that like lots of reasons including comfort but also like to know [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► your back and stuff like that there's no you should you should if you if you have [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► the ability to spend to get a premium version of something the wisest thing to [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► spend that on are the things that will have the most impact to your everyday [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► life generally speaking and so like the difference between a good monitor and a [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► heart monitor each and every single day 4 hours the difference between a good [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► bad and a crappy bad you're gonna be lying if hours a day hope that's gonna [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► catch up with you you know and and to the computer for people like us is one [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► of those things if you actually will even notice the difference [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► ever it's probably worth it like it's probably worth it to get a really nice [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► computer if you do anything at all [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► for any reason my time during the day that might read your computer it's worth [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► it to get the best one that you can get that fits your needs by bringing it by [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► bringing the time spent in front of device metric here trying to drive us [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► back to pragmatism I'm trying to take it away trying to say no [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► justified in a pragmatic rational manner for things like this you know some [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► people in just for some people just want a really fancy table saw more they do [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► with that fancy table saw they make little wooden things that they never [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► skip to anyone don't sell and are useful in any way that's their hobbies what [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► they want to do all you don't need to 10,000 audibles I know he does not need [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► to $10,000 labels off because he's not making money from it in fact it's it's a [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► money sink he just makes little wooden things and put them in his house and [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► make them happy and that's what he wants to spend his money on $10,000 table saw [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► I'm not saying that you should justify what you spend extra money on by by how [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► much will make you money was i'm saying just like by how much you will enjoy it [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► like that example fit my rationale perfectly like if you're going to [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► actually use a table saw more than once a year [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► get a great one you know why not if you can if you have the ability to and that [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► will make you that happy then that's worth it that's worth doing for you you [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► know if you don't care that's fine if you if you can't afford it you know do [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► do your best if you wanna spend the money elsewhere [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► fine like I did I get zero enjoyment out of wearing fancy clothes so every day I [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► where $7 t-shirt and a very worn out pair of jeans I bought from Amazon [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► everything I where I can buy from Amazon when it wears out which I love I worked [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► for years to get to this point it's amazing I hate shopping all that stuff [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► like I Drive a really nice car a computer but I where crap clothes [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► there's a lot of things I don't care about because you know that this is [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► where I spend my time this is where I got my enjoyment so it is a combination [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► of luxury in treating yourself to the things you like and and being you know [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► kind of an analytical about where you spend that extra money to give you the [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► maximum the maximum like fun or happiness benefit ok gigli posted 24 [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► align posts in the chat rooms that means he demands to be hurts all addresses [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► point here [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► the problem is that the Mac Pro for hobbyists who could afford it is that [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► it's still not the premium thing they wanted it's like you wanted the best [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► granite countertops cocom but Apple gave you decent countertops but also to huge [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► bridges you don't have much use for that may be true some people from me [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► specifically it's like Apple gave me the granite countertops I wanted to but they [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► cost 10 times more than I thought they would because underneath number too [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► graphic cards again like there are as i said before there are parts of the Mac [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► Pro that appealed to me way more than any than if I had gotten exactly the [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► computer that I wanted with internal storage everything I like that it's [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► super small I like this only one fan I never dreamed of those things when i was [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► thinkin like oh boy I have revised the Mac Pros you know and it looks and it's [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► something internal storage and has to have card slots maybe you could be [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► smaller nice and get rid of the optical that's what I was envisioning it like a [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► that's exactly the machine to you instead the game is no machine that has [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► things that I didn't even dream I could ask for only one fan as quiet as a Mac [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► Mini you better bet that appeals to me tremendously but it costs so darn much [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► money you know it's getting into like if you can afford to do you want to really [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► fancy computer is just as you like yes but I have a budget too and it costs so [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► much money so that information specifically is the problem and that the [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► railing and all the people are saying what do you need that computer for what [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► do you need a high end GPU for anything like that I'm just saying you don't need [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► to meet you just need to just need to want it and I certainly do want a Mac [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► Pro but you always have to mount what you want with what you can afford and so [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► on and so forth [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► I think the two separate issues I think also and with all due apologies to Casey [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► to talk more than just fuhrman I swear he's already left his loved it I think [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► the new Mac Pro it's kind of like when the when the first MacBook Air came out [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► in that we're looking at a number saying there's no drive bays there is no card [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► slots the Rams healing is actually lower than the previous one and look at all [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► that you say well this isn't really what we wanted and [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► and it's kind of limited everyone said the same things about the first MacBook [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► Air when it came out additional problem that it was incredibly slow won't have [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► that problem now with with the MacBook Air [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► we have eventually like when I first came out we were like you know I still [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► use DVD drives every so often and and maybe I maybe I want that you know that [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► that doesn't happen whatever but over like the next year and a half those [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► things basically vanish and then two years after the first one came out next [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► one came out it was also everybody bought it and it became like the new Mac [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► to have and and i think that the current Mac the new Mac Pro which is humorously [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► called the 2013 money even though nobody actually got in 2013 the new Mac Pro is [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► is it is a similar kind of jump as the first MacBook Air which is it although [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► with a lot fewer downside thank you know my current macro the big cheese grater [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► one it has for internal drive bays the hard drives in you could put two optical [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► drives in it [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► well i I even used but I put a blu-ray burner bottom I use it [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► approximately never I have for internal drive bays one of them useful and I over [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► time finding like oh and the card slots I've never put an expansion card on a [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► Mac Pro I've owned 24 myself one for my wife never put an expansion card and [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► what a lot of people put in the expansion slots are more GPUs and to the [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► new addresses that even so there's there's a lot of Mac Pro users who even [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► having the expandability of the previous generations didn't use it that much [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► actually sending just corrected me apparently my SSD is a pci-express card [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► that I forgot about groups say once I have used one card and that by the way [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► the new Mac Pro has an exact same thing I want arafat has a built-in and it's [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► faster and cheaper so the point is we I had helped expandability but over time [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► I've used less and less and less of it and I think Apple looking at their [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► customers I believe they've found similar things among other Mac Pro [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► Bowler saying things like how yeah it's true that a lot of video editors don't [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► use local storage they will you know they'll use a San or something like that [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► there's [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► the need for the internal bays has shrunk over time and so the compromises [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► the new machine makes the compromise that are about hardware you know there's [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► compromise about pricing and and requiring two GPUs that increase the [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► pricing and that's a separation is perfectly valid but the compromises [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► about internal expandability and space and ports and things I think they're [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► actually doing the right thing I don't think that's going to really be a [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► problem that anyone cares about and six months perhaps not the first like to [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► apologize I was trying to interject and say it was fine for you to continue [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► talking about Mac Pro stuff but I left myself muted like a moron will you [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► because you didn't object I just kept going well I notice and that's why it's [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► not a problem but I would really really love free to tell me about something [TS]

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00:40:18 ◼   ► you this is not a loaded question did you have anything more on the Mac Pro [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► cause I sorta kinda cut you off there [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► me I actually I think for now I'm done I'm sure about next episode with more [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► maybe even ten minutes I think for now I'm done [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► John anything about the macro specifically [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► ok tell me about Panasonic LCD TVs if you don't mind her back the CES in there [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► because this is a story that I saw in the CBS news and you know I was [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► interested but with TV tech and particularly with Panasonic was going to [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► do we all new Panasonic was leaving the plaza business and of course they're [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► going to make LCD TVs and they have and the most interesting thing about this i [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► think is of course they're touting for caverns time before k last year they [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► were doing [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► never missed a day forecast well but it was interesting to me to see how they're [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► going to pitch these new televisions in the way they pitched it they they kind [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► of did little bit of marketing judo on the one hand you could say well they [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► went right up and like they you know they had read to their opponent's [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► forehand why they play they knew that everyone was going to say these TVs are [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► as good as your old TVs so they dress that immediately by their marketing [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► message was we're making for k LCD televisions LCD with LED backlight crap [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► I hate that so much I know it's shorthand but anyway and what we're [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► going to say about that is there you know they're as good as or better than [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► our plasma TVs but they said it in the kind of marketing weasel word he says [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► he's already way they said basically the color chart saying they the color [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► reproduction is better than even our best previous plasma CT 69 about that is [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► that color reproduction 44 televisions for like classes and everything like [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► plasma panasonic has been saying for years can already show color is outside [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► the range that you're sporting code supposed to show and reproducing likely [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► raising television signals like the color ranges in the content is not as [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► wide as the can be displayed LED TVs in fact most TVs have a setting that lets [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► you say do you want me to show the cars as intended by the author according to [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► this narrow range of colors of the expected to be able to reproduce on [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► output or do you want me to use the entire color range of the setting just [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► going to kind of senior the source comes across that [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► and you can choose whichever you want you want to accuracy or sort of like a [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► watercolor band so the fact that there are LCD television has it ever so [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► slightly even wider range of colors in the closet really make that much of a [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► difference with current content may be to make a difference down the line with [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► different content but for now it doesn't really make that much and they didn't as [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► far as I know say anything about black levels and motion interpolation all the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► other areas where we know CDs have problems compared to class so kind of [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► disappointed that they pulled that but it seems to work than ever on because I [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► wanted to parenting line is this Panasonic says they're as good as or [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► better better than their previous plasma and in some respects I'm sure they are [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► as good in some respects they're probably better they probably use [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► wireless power other than his own so forth but in some respects I fully [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► expect that they are were so I guess the jury's still out until you know [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► independent third-party get their hands on these TV star testing them and they [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► can and we'll see but this is not the first time this has happened way back in [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► the day pioneer used to make plasmas and they made that line of classes that was [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► widely acknowledged to be the best TV you buy for any price that wasn't a [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► projection TV and it was the Panasonic the past like the Pioneer Kuro he'll eat [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► line of televisions and then pioneer stop making plans with them for many [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► many years after that every new television manufacturer that was [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► reviewed they would say all this is a great new TV to this mean you can buy [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► right now but it's still not as good as the courier will eat and then what [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► happened year after year and that's kind of very strange technology where it [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► would be like if the new Mac Pro came out and said well does not produce great [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► but it's not as good as the next four years ago but never happens like it's [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► that doesn't happen the computers and televisions also very strange so for a [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► long long time the girl he was the king and it could be for a long time that the [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► Panasonic classes but I suspect that the fork a dif will will be a factor here [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► and say well you know all those classes weren't for queso cares about them and [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► all the matters for so serious question do you suspect that the you will regret [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► I think that's too strong that you'll regret the purchase of your TV from just [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► a month or so ago [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► sooner because some newer better TV will come out or because there will be [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► proliferation of four K TV shows and movies does actually making a fork a [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► display worth it how do you avoid that question that they can get their [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► attention but how do you guys feel about four k well it's one of those things [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► it's it's a lot like Super Audio CD and DVD Audio which is you know and I i dont [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► mean two free tickets sales i think i do I don't need to be diplomatic you know [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► when you look at and variously consumer electronics TV formats over time the [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► audio recorders is a great way to look at this hour plus video as well every [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► time there's been a major quality increased that has been successful in [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► the market it is also come with other benefits besides the quality that have [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► made people want to buy it so when going from cassettes to CDs there was a major [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► increase in so many other factors besides the audio quality was more [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► communion it was more reliable it was faster to seek around the rewinding [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► similar thing going from VHS to DVD you know there's it's everything is faster [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► easier better more versatile you can put it more places computers can read it you [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► can play in the car all the time [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► all that stuff and so then you look at it then going from DVD to Blu ray and [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► DVD to Blu ray was a little much slower transition I would still say it's not [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► really complete its because the only difference between DVD and blu-ray is [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► clear is better quality and is more annoying and all of the ways the DVDs [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► are annoying blu-ray for worse that's the only major difference there's no [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► like they are all the sudden more versatile easier to use or available in [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► more places are cheap or smaller anything like that so looking at all [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► that look at TVs when when we moved from SSD HDD we also are moving to you know [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► from CRTC giant heavy horrible things to nice than LCDs and plasmas they were [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► much bigger much thinner much lighter much cooler looking and and much better [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► looking so there were a lot of other reasons for people to move from STD [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► widescreen aspect ratio was another big factor exactly so there's all these [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► other factors that went along with it that made of success in the market and [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► meet people want to have it besides just picture quality in fact as most people [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► know almost everyone who cares about TV picture quality has probably gone to a [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► relative to parents house and seeing that they are running their cable box or [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► something into the TV that supports high def but they haven't hooked up with the [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► wrong cables using the wrong and put her on settings and they're not they're not [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► even watching a TV content and they don't care and it drives me nuts so [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► obviously liked the picture quality alone is not enough to drive major [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► adoption very quickly if anything same thing so in the audio world when SACD [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► and dvd-audio came out they both flopped first of August the format war but [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► mostly because nobody cared that much it was it was the exact same as CDs but [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► less things are supported yet to get you to get new players you couldn't do in [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► your computer your car and things so it flopped porque is credibility with with [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► newer types TV sets at [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► that's less of a problem but you looking for cancer as well we already have HTTP [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► it's very mature by now we have great with tons of great HTC source material [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► and source devices tons of hte broadcast cable and everything is Xtina basically [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► which was not the case even like five years ago [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► very good XP support and in the industry and the move 24 K what is it really [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► gonna brings you know it's it's gonna bring a new type of disc format probably [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► I don't think we can do it right so probably a new kind of format new kinds [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► of TV's new new disc players were still using this god I hope not but we [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► probably still well for a little while much larger file sizes for internet [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► streaming media a whole other round of everybody cable companies TV companies [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► everybody a being able to screw everything up again so it's a big [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► disruptions to make everything that was maturity to become immature again why go [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► through all that and the reason is an increase in picture quality that you [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► probably won't notice ever but the people who do not [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► it won't notice it on my Canadian Stevie I mean that's how how compelling is that [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► really and I think it's gonna take off [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► similarly to blu-ray in that it will it will be the high end so people will buy [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► it but it's not gonna be explosively growing very quickly the way DVDs and [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► CDs did because most people it doesn't bring any noticeable benefit except [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► saying you have the high ending the audio CDs and blu-ray and stuff had two [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► things going against them for Caylee's doesn't have and the both of those were [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► physical media being introduced to right around the time when physical media was [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► going away for their respective mediums like dvd-audio Super Audio CD yesterday [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► all they said the other format war stupid nobody care but also mp3's came [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► along and so they were just like that and blu-ray it's amazing that has been [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► as successful as it has been but it came out around the time that streaming video [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► became a thing and now only crazy people by the reason everyone else just you [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► know streams that if they can't write so those were all like media distribution [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► format they were coming up against a hey we don't need physical media anymore [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► television's luckily have the advantage of there is no downloadable TV you need [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► to have an actual TV said you can't make a TV set appear in your house over a [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► wire so that it still has a place in the ecosystem it's not being wiped out by [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► like I mean I guess it would be like head-mounted display is there something [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► or something else that's not wiping enough people want still want to look at [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► the screen so bad that going for road before Kate thing sometimes I think it's [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► kinda like right now where it's like yeah nobody will care and only nerds [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► will be able to tell but will happen anyway just because it's cheap enough to [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► double the resolution of LCDs at that size that could happen I I can totally [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► envision a world where every TV you by its four ka and almost all content is [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► still 1080p you know because the content everything else didn't catch up with it [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► but mostly want to think about for k is that kind of like super IRA CD and DVD [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► Audio they enhance the wrong thing they enhance the thing that the fewest number [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► of people are able to detect as even being different let along better because [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► you play an audio CD for someone and play a DVD Audio superheated not [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► can't tell even audio files before depends on the mastering it depends on [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► everything else and all those excuses you're gonna make for not being able to [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► tell between a CD in Super Audio CD all the same excuses apply to television [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► well it depends on other content has mastered well depends announced tribute [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► well depends on the authorship yes that's true of video as well and that's [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► like doubling the resolution may not be better in a way that people can tell now [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► has a double saving graces concentrates on the resolution but they're also has [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► support for different frame rates and that I think people probably could [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► notice it based on people's impression of seeing The Hobbit 48 frames per [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► second and how they said I look crazy at least you'll notice that these people [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► could tell they just 48 per second I can tell it's different you know someone [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► points out sports 820 frames per second [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► those who think that maybe people will be able to tell and that may be able to [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► drag along the content producers to say who is motivated to make porque content [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► well maybe the NFL isn't motivated to make porque content and the NFL's [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► motivated content and people by the TVs and like that will kind of go on [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► together it may just be kind of inevitable thing but the other people [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► making eyes at CES this year were trying to say hey we're over here and we're [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► trying to improve the other stuff that needs to be improved about TV like i [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► just mentioned the color gamut like what what is the maximum dynamic range from [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► the brightest and darkest spot on television set [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► what is one of the range of colors that you can display all those things are [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► areas that desperately need to be improved in television but it you know [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► television color standards even tht standards are way behind what what the [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► current technology can display and those people will notice way more than forked [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► you should someone that Dolby demo with like that you know the the huge dynamic [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► range and everything and then showed somebody for KTV everyone else he'll do [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► everything is different even though even if you are running a 1080p and if you [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► just go for k vs 94 K from certain distance you can tell you that [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► resolution is the only thing that that's not gonna see you so I think this is [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► interesting but I really wish kinda like the the cameras with the megapixel Waris [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► I really wish that the side that was going for not more pickles but better [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► pixels basically was a little bit stronger in the spy but it seems to me [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► that for k will probably happen [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► kind of inevitably but not nearly enough time for me to regret my pleasant [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► purchase to finally answer cases question because I'm gonna be enjoying [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► 1080p content with fewer of the compromises that bother me about LCDs [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► for many years to come [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► the only thing we could possibly annoy me i think is that game console start [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► putting out for K and and it's noticeable for like framerate reasons if [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► that happens maybe are regarded in a couple years but I really I would feel [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► much much worse if I have my old TV which was not nearly as good quality as [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► any plasmon the past couple of years I would really go to keeping that and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► knowing now I'm stuck now if this TV breaks or if I just get sick of looking [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► at bed black levels I will never have I just nothing out there for me to buy it [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► as I sit here and wait now at least I know I'm set as long as it keeps working [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► for many many years and I consider do what I like to do which is but my time [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► and look for that one perfect time to buy the news that's where I think you [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► have a long long time before any for KTV is is so good so compelling and so [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► supported by the surrounding ecosystem that would be really compelling to [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► upgrade I i mean you know HDTV came out when Lee 2001 or something it's pretty [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► old but didn't get them that year five years later or more and it was it was a [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► few years after that before they were actually very good and I think we're [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► going to see a lot of the same things I mean granted that was also again that [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► was good that was changing overwrought of legacy old stuff making LCD is get [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► better get better [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► moderate amounts of the signals digitizing lots of stuff so there was [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► more to do during that transition AC content is terrible though like the [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► compression artifacts like your cable provider Netflix streaming like they [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► can't even they pick any input signal doesn't look like crap on 1080 sometimes [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► and I they're sending us an uneven sending full 1080p so it's gonna be a [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► long time for the you know sort of non if you don't have a good reason if you [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► don't like the Discovery Channel the NFL or something you have some compelling [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► reason to go to forecast high frame rate as soon as you possibly can [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► we're still in for a long long run [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► road of supposedly for k content supposedly ahd content that technically [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► the Phils the requirements but mostly is gross well a couple things considered [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► firstly the NFL already films and fork at least he was Fox does somebody have [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► made him a pen and gadget I don't recall who it was but they they had talked to [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► and I believe it was Fox about how they were going to film the Patriots game and [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► one of the things they said was we actually fill in for k so that when you [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► zoom in [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► sleep for one of the challenges of words whatever was so when you zoom on a [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► instant replay get a full 1080 image out of the source which was for cash and so [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► to some degree this is already happening even though it's not making it all the [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► way to the consumer and the other thing I wanted to point out was part of the [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► reason that Aaron and I didn't upgrade to an HDTV set up initially was because [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► not only did we need a new TV but we also needed a different cable box and to [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► get the different cable box we needed to pay at the time Comcast more money and I [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► can't speak for everyone else but I know not a similar to the retina discussion [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► we had last week I didn't really at the time know what I was missing and so I [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► didn't really see an urgent need to upgrade and Aaron doesn't really care [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► for 99% of all TV and so she didn't see it terribly strong reason to upgrade and [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► so we didn't have we had an HDTV in 2007 and I don't think we actually had ADHD [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► pumping into the house and so we moved here later and we're getting files [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► anyway so I can't speak for everyone but but that makes a little different it [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► would mean another thing that made me think of was well wonder if adoption of [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► LTE bands would have been a lot slower if it costs more money from the carriers [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► to do to get LTE service not only speak for AT&T but on AT&T there's no [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► difference in price and I believe it's the same for Verizon I am Not sure that [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► same for tmobile and nobody's a sprint so [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► I'm not saying there's an answer and it's it's a rhetorical question but I [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► wonder if LTE adoption would have been slower if it was more expensive I think [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► in the way most people go to new technologies is when they have to buy a [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► new one anyway they get a decent one at the time and so with phones we move very [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► quickly because so many people are on subsidized phone plans where you're [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► pretty much encouraged to get a new phone every every one to three years so [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► that's why the phone market moves so quickly [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► TV's move very slowly and you said like the cable box thing a lot of people [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► don't pay for their cable box but you know you have to go through the hassle [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► for an upgrade like bring it to some place in the next to the UPS Depot or [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► times but you know even if you have to pay for your only use it as a premium if [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► you have well if Tebow is still alive and you have a TiVo to pay extra for the [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► new HDR for k1 and then Johnson complain about that for the next ten years gonna [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► suck you think that a lot of HP menus everywhere [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► 1080p exactly I would be glad if we ever get to that point it seems like this [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► that may never even happened [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► yeah but like you know that the rate at which people normally upgrade TV [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► equipment is pretty slow because TVs are large and they they used to be pretty [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► expensive but getting pretty cheap now but they're still at these these large [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► kind of fixtures like furniture pieces that you tend like no one gets a new TV [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► every year to John I waited for years give me a break for years I with the TV [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► menu by the way they're not even 1080p and 720p but you know well and by the [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► way lots of TVs are still sold at 720p I don't think that they still make 720 I [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► think every TV stand me know when last year when I when I bought that LCD that [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► small 37 inch LCD for the back room I had to look pretty hard to get a 1080p [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► won so many of them are 720p [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► research that I think they're almost all I'm not sure you can still find a 720 [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► especially if you are going to the no name brands but I think any means [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► and probably has 0 720p television sets now I don't think that's the case I [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► don't think that's Kirron once you go to the smaller size like in the 38th [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► exactly you go to the thirties and you go to go to those all CDs in the [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► thirties and there's a lot of 720p 30 inch TV of the size of your monitor [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► well I actually had to fit this in a head to fit into one area within an [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► existing built-in book show and so I had had a size cap so the 37 inch Panasonic [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► was like the the biggest that would fit into this little spot resist the Batcave [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► you can say is wow [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► know it's true though i think i sat on a previous show our biggest TV in the [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► house is 40 inches and there is no part of me that wants a bigger one and that [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► one is 1080 but the one we have in the in our bedroom and the only reason it's [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► in our bedroom is because we got the the the 40 in church her place at that one's [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► 32 inches and granted it's a bit older but it's 720 only and I have no desire [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► to upgraded to a 1080 TV now granted I'm either very weird or very normal [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► depending on how you look at it but as soon as you go to lower sizes I think [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► Marquez dead on the it's it's a little bit challenging finance led tv [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► I don't want to look at small television I was I was disappointed that I couldn't [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► find a plasma that was smoke because of the plasma speaking of sizes to tell you [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► these this Panasonic LCDs into the news the smallest size it comes in is now 58 [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► were surprised that the small size my TV came as for the five now the small sizes [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► 58 but they soon the small size 800 inches [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► yeah and and and the problem is I call these like really nice ones like the V [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► t60 [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► they only come a larger size and that those keep going up so late like one of [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► my TV like I have a really nice TV for when I bought it when it dies I'm gonna [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► have to either get a giant wall of TV which I don't want to look stiff would [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► kill me if I got what it would look also or get a crappy one I think they have to [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► be part of it is it's more expensive to mix with with the plans this in [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► particular like the reason you can make a fork a plasma is because then the [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► little tiny bits where the little you know particles are amid [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► didn't hit against the phosphorescent materials will have to be super duper [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► small and that's like a technical limitations probably could have done [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► that they want to invest tons and tons more money but they didn't say but yeah [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► as you can as a resolution goes up it's actually cheaper to make it that's why I [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► like 28 inch Dell for K [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► monitor the people want to talk about it's actually cheaper to make a high [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► resolution monitor bigwigs are you not to make the pixel so darn small and its [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► manufacturing all that stuff so I think I'm hoping that will take care of itself [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► but yeah when I'm shopping for television and movies shopping at the [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► high end and they're all big and they're all 1080 I guess way to as you get [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► smaller I am in a certain point you get a certain size you you know it becomes [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► like you can't see you can tell there 720 and 1080 and as I'm surprised no one [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► has said that Jeremy or maybe I missed it I think if you do the math 720p has [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► more pixels per second in 2005 but with all the processing that goes on in most [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► most broadcast television still 1080 P [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► came out of a case said about the source material like NFL games in four ka mean [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► the same thing but the movies with the digital cameras like and you know it was [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► that even for TV they would record TV on video too much higher quality than you [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► ever be able to broadcast that's you know that's par for the course of the [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► people out there [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► testing out the new format everything by the time for Cape makes its way down and [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► there's some story on the music is still exists that says 0024 ok transition is [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► coming [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► cable companies are turning off their old age D signaling that you can only [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► get four member that you know the whole transition from analog and all that [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► stuff like when we see that story and ten twenty years by that point everyone [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► but recording everything like a que hora bellman extender is so the content [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► producers are always help someone did the Madden said 1080 I had slightly more [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► pixels per second so I just I hope that somebody please tell me I hope this is [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► the case in the entire fork a standard is there any allowance and you wear for [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► interlaced anything cuz I hate interlacing so much in so many ways it [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► all the artifacts make sure horrible when UD interlaced progressive I hate [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► getting in at least DVDs and the moment when I ripped them they look bad [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► and and interlaced he got in releasing is the devil and the deep in the chat [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► says nope it is not in the spec I really hope that is true [TS]

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01:05:16 ◼   ► pay for what you use pricing model CAPM his base price of six bucks per month [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► per device and then above that you can't pay for whatever actual amount of data [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► or minutes or megabytes or message whatever you guys pay for whatever you [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► using its budgeted nicely so like if one month use like 10 mags or nothing he [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► paid it you paid nothing are you paid $1 too and then the next month used two [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► gigs you get paid a bucket for that it's really very very nice there's so many [TS]

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01:05:52 ◼   ► usage or average data usage you can even if your Verizon Wireless customer in the [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► USU can even you can even give them your credentials and they will log into [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► Verizon and scrape your staff's off didn't tell you here's what you do over [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► the last you know X months and hear some of you to say disease which if you [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► switch the tank so really great they even had this deal where if you're stuck [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► in a contract he had to pay an early termination fee to get out of it they [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► will give you 25% of that fee back in service credit up to $75 so like however [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► King has great customer support with a no holds no weight phone number you just [TS]

01:06:26 ◼   ► call them Indian to 8 p.m. Eastern any human being picked up the phone [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► immediately who's there and ready to help you never had to call AT&T or [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► Verizon Wireless will think that's just voodoo magic it's impossible but he made [TS]

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01:07:00 ◼   ► ATP . king.com thanks a lot for sponsoring the show [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► helpful chat room is put in a link to an article showing the car spaces that rec [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► 709 just the current HP color space and most TVs already go bigger than that and [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► they were showing how that's TV goes even bigger but there's also wreak 2020 [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► which is part of the four k UHD standard which is way bigger as much harder it's [TS]

01:07:24 ◼   ► not as big as like the you know the dynamic range of brightness that dolby [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► was showing off their crazy experimental water-cooled thing or whatever but show [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► that this was getting at before the 24 K brings more than just resolution for [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► Marco you know progressive scan mode only and and for me and a lot of the [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► people much higher framerates [TS]

01:07:42 ◼   ► rectangular pixel I have no idea if it for case though rectangular pixels or [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► has rectangular pixels it'll be there did too because my my old HDTV that was [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► a 4-3 CRT you didn't know existed but did exist that was possible because of [TS]

01:07:58 ◼   ► all these weird noises in the eighties back to his old stuff but for case is I [TS]

01:08:04 ◼   ► at least I hope it is taken that opportunity of dropping tons of legacy [TS]

01:08:09 ◼   ► crap like that and just going for now and future looking good technology [TS]

01:08:12 ◼   ► that's relatively simple and as for the 720p vs 1080p I again it depends on the [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► frame rate if you to 720p at 60 frames were standing at 8:30 you cannot do the [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► math yourself but as someone pointed out and chat room in the back to find where [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► it is but 720p I'm gonna get it right so I don't want to he was saying that 720p [TS]

01:08:31 ◼   ► has more temporal resolution as an emotion over time because it's not [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► interested obviously in 10 a TI has more spatial resolution so it depends on what [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► you want but that whole distinction with the InP and stuff you'll hopefully be [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► a relic of history me this is kind of one of the reasons in favor of for cake [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► you know and you know in case conner is a lot of the legacy crap left over from [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► the bad old 98 she did they still infects the HTC standards yes detects I [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► know I just couldn't find your line I couldn't find it was gonna read it [TS]

01:09:02 ◼   ► anyway making making for k like what makes porque inevitable is that it [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► actually does get rid of a lot of the annoying crap and a lot of the details [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► that people do need to care about the didn't care about interlaced vs [TS]

01:09:17 ◼   ► progressive they don't you know they don't care about all these details of [TS]

01:09:20 ◼   ► color spaces and stuff that they can make it so that it looks better to [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► people and so they have a reason to view it like if you go over your friends [TS]

01:09:26 ◼   ► house and you watch NFL and forecast higher frame rate and you notice that's [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► different you're going to want that because now this content that you're [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► interested in and if panel makers you know for cages becomes well like it's [TS]

01:09:37 ◼   ► actually cheaper now to make us for Cape house and all the factories ramped up on [TS]

01:09:41 ◼   ► her ever it may be inevitable but I still think it'll take a long time [TS]

01:09:45 ◼   ► before cable companies start broadcasting porque for anything except [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► for a few special you know like content is still going to be 1080 I know that [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► the cheap shows for a long long long time and even in the forecast channels [TS]

01:09:57 ◼   ► of the first person says everyone every piece for broadcasters porque some of [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► those channels look awful because they're like some of the channels look [TS]

01:10:05 ◼   ► awful today at NAB I because they're just super over compressed in gross [TS]

01:10:08 ◼   ► talked about a lot of feedback fly through regarding steam boxes and when [TS]

01:10:17 ◼   ► John was lamenting having to buy a PC just four games I saw a few people say [TS]

01:10:24 ◼   ► well why not get a steam box so john why not [TS]

01:10:27 ◼   ► well first so let's just assume that somebody not me but that but that that a [TS]

01:10:33 ◼   ► friend of mine has no clue esteem boxes and has been following this could you [TS]

01:10:37 ◼   ► maybe explain what it is first I could but I'll do a terrible job of it because [TS]

01:10:41 ◼   ► I don't really believe in games [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► John you believe in them or not by explaining steam box it's hard to [TS]

01:10:49 ◼   ► explain without revealing my views on it but anyway now that was a company that [TS]

01:10:54 ◼   ► start off making [TS]

01:10:55 ◼   ► aims and like many other good companies they realize that there's more to their [TS]

01:11:00 ◼   ► the market they were in the just making games they also made a digital [TS]

01:11:04 ◼   ► distribution platform which sounds like outside of their core competency hey you [TS]

01:11:07 ◼   ► just make great games will be making digital distribution platform for what [TS]

01:11:11 ◼   ► they are making it because that's the future of gaming and they saw before [TS]

01:11:13 ◼   ► everyone else they spent a long time working on their their digital [TS]

01:11:16 ◼   ► distribution thing called stand which if you're not familiar with this type of [TS]

01:11:20 ◼   ► thing it's it's like the App Store for games you don't have to go to the store [TS]

01:11:22 ◼   ► and buy disc you just log onto something and downloaded in the game goes right on [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► your computer [TS]

01:11:27 ◼   ► team is available for the Mac leave notes are on the PC and it's a great way [TS]

01:11:31 ◼   ► to buy games from the same reasons that the app stores are great way for [TS]

01:11:34 ◼   ► consumers to buy apps because he wants to the store and get a stupid desk stand [TS]

01:11:39 ◼   ► boxes valves next step in this process which is why don't we make hardware as [TS]

01:11:44 ◼   ► well because not everyone has or wants to make a PC that can play games we will [TS]

01:11:50 ◼   ► I guess they're setting some kind of standard or whatever you want to make a [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► steam box it's basically like a little PC that comes pre-configured to connect [TS]

01:11:58 ◼   ► to steam and it comes a little control if you want or you can use like an Xbox [TS]

01:12:01 ◼   ► 360 controller or whatever and it's sort of a turnkey way for you to get a gaming [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► PC to play games from Steam and people are suggesting steam box to me I'm not [TS]

01:12:12 ◼   ► quite sure where they were suggesting it or they were just asked me what I [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► thought of it but I think a lot of the coverage pinpoints the reasons to be [TS]

01:12:19 ◼   ► skeptical about it skeptical about it although those reasons may not end up [TS]

01:12:22 ◼   ► mattering in the end the reasons I'm not all that interested in a steam boxes [TS]

01:12:28 ◼   ► because as many of the stories have said it does less than a PC for a similar [TS]

01:12:33 ◼   ► price I mean it's just a PC like it's got its PC hardware PC video cards and a [TS]

01:12:38 ◼   ► PC box like that's all it is is just sort of pre-configured and certified to [TS]

01:12:43 ◼   ► work in this thing and they vary wildly get super cheap ones that are like a [TS]

01:12:46 ◼   ► super cheap PC unit super expensive ones that are like a super expensive PC and I [TS]

01:12:50 ◼   ► imagine as many people now the most useful thing you can do it this is a [TS]

01:12:54 ◼   ► reboot into Windows because the steam box runs Linux by the way which keeps [TS]

01:12:58 ◼   ► rebooting into Windows then you have a gaming PC one just by gaming PC gaming [TS]

01:13:03 ◼   ► PC buying well-known nerds don't want to buy a magazine don't know anything about [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► them so [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► this feature that people think it's silly so what it comes pre-configured to [TS]

01:13:13 ◼   ► connect to steam and runs free OS and Windows who cares [TS]

01:13:16 ◼   ► like I don't care about that I know how to install software I know how to do [TS]

01:13:19 ◼   ► this like just the mere fact that you can buy something called the steam box [TS]

01:13:22 ◼   ► and had some sort of guarantees about the experience I guarantees like this [TS]

01:13:27 ◼   ► they do very well but if valve can manage the expectations but you know I [TS]

01:13:32 ◼   ► don't want to get into PC gaming but my friend got a steam box and seems to be [TS]

01:13:35 ◼   ► fewer problems I'll get one of those is kind of like I don't know anything about [TS]

01:13:40 ◼   ► digital music but my friend got one of those iPod things and he's able to [TS]

01:13:44 ◼   ► listen to music digitally so I'm gonna try that there is an ominous a team has [TS]

01:13:50 ◼   ► steam box has no chance they're trying to thread a pretty narrow thread the [TS]

01:13:56 ◼   ► needle here between the world of game consoles which is you know fixed [TS]

01:14:00 ◼   ► hardware doesn't change over time he's even develop against because developers [TS]

01:14:03 ◼   ► know what everybody has plus or minus a couple of accessories and on the other [TS]

01:14:07 ◼   ► side of the spectrum full-fledged game PCs they're thinking there's something [TS]

01:14:10 ◼   ► in the middle there where we can get you something is better than a console [TS]

01:14:15 ◼   ► because you can spend more money and get a faster experience and upgraded [TS]

01:14:19 ◼   ► overtime in part or in whole and you know have access to all these games we [TS]

01:14:24 ◼   ► have available on Steam but it's not as complicated as again BC I'm not sure if [TS]

01:14:28 ◼   ► there is that little narrow valley between those two things is going to [TS]

01:14:31 ◼   ► work for them but it could very well be that the people who make gaming PCs will [TS]

01:14:36 ◼   ► slowly become smaller and smaller smaller answered window and I doubt it [TS]

01:14:40 ◼   ► will turn out that most of the people playing PC games actually weren't [TS]

01:14:43 ◼   ► interested in building a gaming PCs actually weren't interested in [TS]

01:14:46 ◼   ► maintaining gaming PCs and this could really be a sort of a back-door way to [TS]

01:14:50 ◼   ► remake the PC industry for people who play games anyway to be more like you [TS]

01:14:56 ◼   ► know the iOS device industry where people aren't interested in taking them [TS]

01:15:00 ◼   ► they just want to get them down from them and use them so I'm not quite sure [TS]

01:15:05 ◼   ► how this is going to turn out but for me as someone to you know not that I'd be [TS]

01:15:11 ◼   ► interested in taking things but I would be able to if I want to if I wanted to [TS]

01:15:14 ◼   ► get a gaming PC I would build again BC I don't want one but if I did the things [TS]

01:15:19 ◼   ► stopping it would be like I wish someone do all this work for people to go [TS]

01:15:23 ◼   ► anywhere and punch buttons and get a super expensive gaming PC and you can [TS]

01:15:27 ◼   ► build a better one half the money if you want to but if you don't want to you [TS]

01:15:30 ◼   ► know it's the same time they also will say I enjoyed playing games from Steam [TS]

01:15:34 ◼   ► on my Mac I enjoy playing them games from Steam on my Mac with boot into [TS]

01:15:38 ◼   ► windows when it's about it pretends its gaming PC I like anyone computer does [TS]

01:15:42 ◼   ► both of those things I also really like game consoles so I'm probably not the [TS]

01:15:46 ◼   ► target market of the steam box but there's a lot of noise about them and [TS]

01:15:51 ◼   ► wait a year and see how well all those different vendors who are feeling steel [TS]

01:15:55 ◼   ► boxes feel about their contribution to that spot for you kind of surprised that [TS]

01:16:00 ◼   ► anybody thinks there's going to be a market for more than one of these things [TS]

01:16:03 ◼   ► like why is it a category and not just one box there is one box of a game [TS]

01:16:08 ◼   ► console well isn't it kind of it's kind of a game console for steam PC games [TS]

01:16:14 ◼   ► like i mean but they wanted to have some of the advantages of gaming PCs in one [TS]

01:16:19 ◼   ► of those advantages is its not the same hardware for everybody [TS]

01:16:22 ◼   ► it change every year you can get a new faster better one that makes the games [TS]

01:16:26 ◼   ► prettier and that's not true consoles that's true I sent it to the threading a [TS]

01:16:31 ◼   ► needle this I don't have much room there is between between the gaming PC and the [TS]

01:16:35 ◼   ► game console could be the description from above or below depending on how you [TS]

01:16:38 ◼   ► drive this diagram by the consoles and just the entire world to PC gaming it's [TS]

01:16:42 ◼   ► quicker way there could be they get squished by real PC gaming it turns out [TS]

01:16:46 ◼   ► the only people left who aren't just exquisite playing consoles really want a [TS]

01:16:49 ◼   ► full fledged gaming PC 901 the steam box I don't think it's entirely crazy I [TS]

01:16:54 ◼   ► think it is smart for Val to get into hardware because they've shown that they [TS]

01:16:57 ◼   ► understand that like there's more to the world and what they're currently doing [TS]

01:17:00 ◼   ► and steam was it was a great idea a smashing success and they continue to [TS]

01:17:03 ◼   ► also make great games on top of that if they can also make great hardware that's [TS]

01:17:07 ◼   ► popular more power to him but having third parties do it for you kind of like [TS]

01:17:13 ◼   ► the Windows Phone strategy ecosystem of compatible hardware and I don't know [TS]

01:17:18 ◼   ► what do you think it's a problem I am I correct that that the steam boxes all [TS]

01:17:24 ◼   ► have gamepad controller types and not like keyboard mouse kinda schemes that's [TS]

01:17:29 ◼   ► another problem [TS]

01:17:30 ◼   ► like they control that they have is interesting and it's trying to make up [TS]

01:17:34 ◼   ► for the fact that you don't have a keyboard and mouse and a lot of again a [TS]

01:17:37 ◼   ► lot of the people who play PC games maybe they like mouse and keyboard and [TS]

01:17:42 ◼   ► if you take that away maybe they're not interested anymore but maybe they [TS]

01:17:45 ◼   ► weren't really went to mouse and keyboard maybe they just wanted [TS]

01:17:48 ◼   ► something that lets play first person shooters and if you give them a better [TS]

01:17:50 ◼   ► first person shooter I don't know this is all dissolved experiment you know and [TS]

01:17:55 ◼   ► that's kind of what I now must like the fact that they're not the ones sort of [TS]

01:17:58 ◼   ► during the experiment you guys make the hardware and the software is not easy [TS]

01:18:03 ◼   ► either i mean i i think i think that the input and and like monitor class like [TS]

01:18:09 ◼   ► how far you sit and the input devices you use I think that will sync this [TS]

01:18:13 ◼   ► thing because I think if you want to play first person shooter using the [TS]

01:18:17 ◼   ► gamepad on a TV about a game console they're probably gonna be better at it [TS]

01:18:20 ◼   ► and they're cheaper and they're better managing their more popular and [TS]

01:18:23 ◼   ► everything else [TS]

01:18:24 ◼   ► their mapping their control scheme to keyboard and mouse like that little [TS]

01:18:27 ◼   ► piece in the controller looks like two big flat out of touch pad areas one of [TS]

01:18:31 ◼   ► them is the mouse and one of them is WASD basically like the parole for a [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► legacy games you have to go to play you know half-life 2 portal and all that [TS]

01:18:40 ◼   ► stuff like you have to be able to make a legacy games work otherwise how can you [TS]

01:18:43 ◼   ► get a steam box and access is your games in theory in the future games come out [TS]

01:18:47 ◼   ► with that controller mind it becomes popular but they have to have a support [TS]

01:18:50 ◼   ► the old games and that's what they're trying to do and supposedly it works [TS]

01:18:54 ◼   ► better than using like an Xbox 360 controller if you're playing [TS]

01:18:57 ◼   ► first-person shooters it's more like a keyboard and mouse but I don't know if [TS]

01:19:01 ◼   ► like I know if it's gonna be worthwhile I don't know who is the customer for [TS]

01:19:06 ◼   ► these damn boxes there sure are a lot of them this year coming a lot of different [TS]

01:19:09 ◼   ► sizes and shapes and price points and PC gamers really do love stayin but I'm not [TS]

01:19:14 ◼   ► sure what their prospects are looking at this control I just looked it up it [TS]

01:19:17 ◼   ► first of all looks ridiculous but I mean like and I am really out of touch with [TS]

01:19:22 ◼   ► this stuff because I haven't been heavily in two games in a while but when [TS]

01:19:26 ◼   ► I was heavily into games I loved PC games and I really didn't get the [TS]

01:19:30 ◼   ► maximum out of console games because I loved the kind of game is that just work [TS]

01:19:36 ◼   ► a lot better with keyboard mouse and big money big highres monitoring for your [TS]

01:19:39 ◼   ► face like our DS's [TS]

01:19:41 ◼   ► builders like simpson's like not only do I love that kind of game more but even [TS]

01:19:46 ◼   ► for the kind of games that work on both I just like having a mouse better than a [TS]

01:19:51 ◼   ► gamepad and I was always and maybe it was better at it with the message is [TS]

01:19:55 ◼   ► more precise with the mouse and playing even playing shooters on gamepad like it [TS]

01:19:59 ◼   ► always felt like yeah I'm glad you liked set up a land of my friends or anything [TS]

01:20:03 ◼   ► but I'm not enjoying it as much you know and like if you like and by the way and [TS]

01:20:09 ◼   ► I did love bill amount PCs and if I was gonna go back to being a PC gamer being [TS]

01:20:16 ◼   ► a PC gamer takes a long time investment just to manage all the software crap you [TS]

01:20:21 ◼   ► have to deal with and the steam box will will of course a lot of that in theory [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► but if you're already gonna devoted much time into this ha because you love it so [TS]

01:20:30 ◼   ► much you probably are very likely to also want to build your own computer or [TS]

01:20:34 ◼   ► like I think the the market for people who are going to want to buy a premade [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► gaming PC that they had no part in building and that they might not be able [TS]

01:20:43 ◼   ► to upgrade very easily if at all to play games on a TV that aren't console games [TS]

01:20:48 ◼   ► on a kind of console controller that is not a keyboard and mouse so many big [TS]

01:20:54 ◼   ► leads here that I think are just leaving right out of the market [TS]

01:20:57 ◼   ► well there's another strategic reason that felt kind of has to do this to sort [TS]

01:21:01 ◼   ► of protect itself and its that Microsoft has been less and less interested in [TS]

01:21:05 ◼   ► making windows a hospitable environment for gaming and if you look at do you [TS]

01:21:10 ◼   ► know the business I'm sure there's a lot of games too but mostly selling [TS]

01:21:14 ◼   ► quote-unquote PC games and so the the part of Team boxes may be the least [TS]

01:21:18 ◼   ► interesting to consumers may be the most interesting rival's perspective which is [TS]

01:21:22 ◼   ► we need to sell our games on linux or that we have some control over to get [TS]

01:21:27 ◼   ► away from windows because like you know has whined about Windows 8 not being [TS]

01:21:32 ◼   ► particularly hospitable four games in the early going and like just in general [TS]

01:21:35 ◼   ► to be fair when it is particularly inhospitable for everybody so like if if [TS]

01:21:42 ◼   ► all that comes out of this is the boxes total flop but a huge portion of games [TS]

01:21:46 ◼   ► available on Steam run on like it maybe they don't call the steam box anymore [TS]

01:21:50 ◼   ► but if you mostly use your PC for gaming [TS]

01:21:53 ◼   ► valve can say oh when you play our games you should play them like in the steam [TS]

01:21:59 ◼   ► OS whatever they call the Linux thing that they're going to use their it's [TS]

01:22:02 ◼   ► kind of a hedge against like our future shouldn't depend on Microsoft because [TS]

01:22:06 ◼   ► Microsoft cares about Xbox one you know gaming they care [TS]

01:22:11 ◼   ► slightly less about windows and who knows with Microsoft's new CEO search [TS]

01:22:14 ◼   ► what kind of direction the company will be taken in this is probably a smart [TS]

01:22:18 ◼   ► hedged just to say we should really look into if we're going to be a platform [TS]

01:22:22 ◼   ► research looking into having more control and not being beholden to [TS]

01:22:26 ◼   ► Microsoft or so much for our business because certainly something is not [TS]

01:22:29 ◼   ► beholden to Microsoft for its gaming business right and you know after the [TS]

01:22:33 ◼   ► buildings anywhere else and so on so I think it's a wise strategic move about [TS]

01:22:37 ◼   ► to be doing this and I think it matters less whether this team boxes competes [TS]

01:22:42 ◼   ► with game consoles or anything it just like it's kind of like Steam itself the [TS]

01:22:46 ◼   ► payoff will be many many years now and it may not be the same pay off today [TS]

01:22:49 ◼   ► expected but it's worth doing it [TS]

01:22:51 ◼   ► Marco I'd like to ask you guys about some of your past experiences but before [TS]

01:22:57 ◼   ► we do that would you call moon base commander I know would you tell me about [TS]

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01:24:47 ◼   ► thank you very much this Christmas for sponsoring someone asked you you'd said [TS]

01:24:54 ◼   ► something a minute ago about how you don't have to set up your own network [TS]

01:24:58 ◼   ► and it just made me remember so there when I was a kid I used to play quite a [TS]

01:25:03 ◼   ► lot of games and and both all of them intend to consoles and many many many PC [TS]

01:25:08 ◼   ► games and i was just curious if you guys had the hilarious experiences of having [TS]

01:25:14 ◼   ► your friends over where they would bring their many towers and their CRT monitors [TS]

01:25:19 ◼   ► that way two thousand pounds and you're in like 6th or 7th grade at the time [TS]

01:25:23 ◼   ► they can barely lift them on your own and you would get like these forty-foot [TS]

01:25:27 ◼   ► no modem cables and string them together and play wolf 3d or doom against each [TS]

01:25:32 ◼   ► other or whatever the case may be I I just gotta have such fond memories of [TS]

01:25:36 ◼   ► that I was curious if i was little if I was the only one [TS]

01:25:39 ◼   ► yeah it was a nightmare I mean part of the fun of being a high school kid and [TS]

01:25:43 ◼   ► and trying to hang out with Mikey Trenton set up some kind of land at [TS]

01:25:47 ◼   ► somebody's house to play total annihilation which is all I did in high [TS]

01:25:51 ◼   ► school to be pretty pretty good experience but [TS]

01:25:54 ◼   ► it was funny because this is kind of a model for a lot of PC gaming it's a [TS]

01:26:02 ◼   ► common result of all PC gaming is like you have to deal with so much crap to [TS]

01:26:07 ◼   ► set it up and you know ours this is like a lot of physical moving stuff around [TS]

01:26:11 ◼   ► physical plugging stuff and figure out oh god why why does this network cable [TS]

01:26:15 ◼   ► that we just made yesterday and we have never killed before was just all the [TS]

01:26:18 ◼   ► sudden not work or why you know I can your computer see the other three but [TS]

01:26:23 ◼   ► then one of them can see you and all cod you didn't install the map or like you [TS]

01:26:29 ◼   ► start to get all into the game you're always one guy doesn't have the newest [TS]

01:26:32 ◼   ► patch so half the units are disabled [TS]

01:26:34 ◼   ► you know there's it was a whole bunch of crap it was a whole bunch of of [TS]

01:26:38 ◼   ► time-wasting crap system administration stuff rebooting installing patches [TS]

01:26:42 ◼   ► install new version of the game installing new maps getting everything [TS]

01:26:45 ◼   ► it was such a nightmare that like we would we would start drinking and all [TS]

01:26:50 ◼   ► these computers were like our computers are a family's computer so we couldn't [TS]

01:26:54 ◼   ► really leave them there for the next week or anything like that we would like [TS]

01:26:59 ◼   ► every weekend [TS]

01:27:00 ◼   ► me and a couple of friends would bring all their computers over to one of the [TS]

01:27:04 ◼   ► two houses that had network switches because I like to the house had to [TS]

01:27:08 ◼   ► computers the parents like head to computer so you know we'd go to the [TS]

01:27:11 ◼   ► country on those houses plugin try to figure everything out we wouldn't even [TS]

01:27:15 ◼   ► start playing until 12 or one of the morning [TS]

01:27:19 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah like the button again actually launches you're actually in it [TS]

01:27:23 ◼   ► it would be when I am because we would we would have started setting up at [TS]

01:27:26 ◼   ► eight and you know it installing patches and crap until then and that's this is [TS]

01:27:31 ◼   ► this is the view of PC gaming they still have because I didn't play a lot of [TS]

01:27:35 ◼   ► games after mid college or so they just kind of ran a time and then after [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► college I got a job and enough time then my friends were in different places [TS]

01:27:43 ◼   ► kinda fell out of gaming but his PC gaming I mean obviously nowadays you can [TS]

01:27:49 ◼   ► bring over LCDs or at a laptop with be amazing I mean we all had a home built [TS]

01:27:56 ◼   ► desktop with like 19 inch CRT monitors so it was it was quite an ordeal these [TS]

01:28:02 ◼   ► days I imagine it's a lot better but I bet you still have a lot of that [TS]

01:28:06 ◼   ► software crap to deal with is that still the case [TS]

01:28:08 ◼   ► it's not as bad as as certainly as bad as it used to be and for the most part [TS]

01:28:13 ◼   ► if you're lucky and have some minimum amount of knowledge you can get a [TS]

01:28:17 ◼   ► similar experience that is what people are getting these days on their PCs you [TS]

01:28:21 ◼   ► get a headset mic you get the internet for your networking problems everyone [TS]

01:28:25 ◼   ► has their on-screen you're not always going the same place but it's close ish [TS]

01:28:28 ◼   ► people stop LAN parties like the pacs you know conference they have a giant [TS]

01:28:33 ◼   ► land room or you can bring your own PC or use them on there and they still do [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► that when I see people on the giant land rooms at conventions and stuff is just [TS]

01:28:41 ◼   ► you know row after a people sitting at PC is looking at this screen is wearing [TS]

01:28:44 ◼   ► headset mics I think how important is it to these people are on the same room and [TS]

01:28:48 ◼   ► is not as important as it was when you're in your friends are on the same [TS]

01:28:51 ◼   ► room because the technology like it's not just you the screen the master [TS]

01:28:54 ◼   ► keyboard and headset mic and the fact that the guy yelling at us for seats [TS]

01:28:57 ◼   ► away means nothing because you never even look at maybe in smaller atmosphere [TS]

01:29:01 ◼   ► is more important but I think for the most part to the Internet and technology [TS]

01:29:05 ◼   ► has come to make most of that an important one thing that the younger [TS]

01:29:09 ◼   ► people I remember is that the original Xbox you can bring out over someone's [TS]

01:29:13 ◼   ► house can look it up and play Halo [TS]

01:29:16 ◼   ► multi-room multiplayer halo experience and that's what I think was the may be [TS]

01:29:20 ◼   ► the last thing to be loved from house to house original Xboxes but nowadays no [TS]

01:29:25 ◼   ► one likes their consoles I think they basically keep in their house and use [TS]

01:29:28 ◼   ► the magic of the Internet to that stuff it's it's it's funny to me because [TS]

01:29:32 ◼   ► channeling my inner bitter old man like we were talking about last episode yeah [TS]

01:29:37 ◼   ► I just remember so vividly the the pain of finding a null modem cable which [TS]

01:29:42 ◼   ► looked in many ways like a serial cable but different and then had to string [TS]

01:29:47 ◼   ► them together and then you had to set up everyone in the same like really really [TS]

01:29:50 ◼   ► hot room because no matter what how big the room was and how good the air [TS]

01:29:55 ◼   ► conditioning was when you put all of these humongous machines at these CRT [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► that weren't exactly cool either and you put them on this little room with all [TS]

01:30:04 ◼   ► these teenage dudes at probably don't have the best hygiene anyway and then [TS]

01:30:07 ◼   ► you sit there need to read those and Mountain Dew for hours and in just [TS]

01:30:12 ◼   ► playing these games like doom and whatnot [TS]

01:30:15 ◼   ► when you when you can scream and yell at each other and you're right next to each [TS]

01:30:18 ◼   ► other [TS]

01:30:18 ◼   ► and then I remembered as somebody mentioned the chat and one of my [TS]

01:30:21 ◼   ► all-time favorites was plain to send and the first to sin and you're playing that [TS]

01:30:26 ◼   ► not only against your friends and but locally but also playing it via modem [TS]

01:30:33 ◼   ► directly between two friends and then eventually when Kali Kali or whatever it [TS]

01:30:38 ◼   ► was called came out in India would let it would masquerade it would let the [TS]

01:30:44 ◼   ► internet internet masquerade as an IPX network which is all that most of these [TS]

01:30:48 ◼   ► games supported at the time and I got it was so much fun and it was so it was [TS]

01:30:53 ◼   ► such a defining part of my childhood like between that and all of the [TS]

01:30:58 ◼   ► Nintendo consoles I know I i jokingly begrudge did as recently as earlier this [TS]

01:31:02 ◼   ► episode the whole game thing but got it was such a big part of my my upbringing [TS]

01:31:06 ◼   ► in my childhood I spent so much time playing these games and it's just so [TS]

01:31:12 ◼   ► weird to me like not to get all I have happened I don't know I just like I [TS]

01:31:17 ◼   ► don't mean this to be dismissive but I guess I just grew out of it like it just [TS]

01:31:20 ◼   ► wasn't a priority to me anymore and I can't even remember the last game that i [TS]

01:31:25 ◼   ► played that I was really really into I guess maybe Metal Gear Solid on the [TS]

01:31:30 ◼   ► original PlayStation and it was probably not the first Metal Gear Solid either [TS]

01:31:34 ◼   ► when PlayStation 3 is a $99 and a couple years I'll send you on a journey you're [TS]

01:31:42 ◼   ► not gonna leave me alone and I believe anybody alone Marco you still in your [TS]

01:31:46 ◼   ► schedule to yeah it was Marco schedule whenever the hell markets around your [TS]

01:31:53 ◼   ► schedule like most things in his life [TS]

01:31:56 ◼   ► it's very different these days that you know networking is ubiquitous or if not [TS]

01:32:03 ◼   ► ubiquitous darn near ubiquitous and and it's such a far cry from what we had to [TS]

01:32:08 ◼   ► deal with in and I'm not saying that to make it sound like I walked uphill both [TS]

01:32:11 ◼   ► ways it's not at all the point it's just it's surprising to me how much [TS]

01:32:15 ◼   ► technology has changed in so little time where our children will not have any of [TS]

01:32:21 ◼   ► these woes that we have like I remember to connect to the internet originally [TS]

01:32:25 ◼   ► my dad and I spent literally a couple of weeks trying to figure out I believe not [TS]

01:32:31 ◼   ► only the modem initialization string or whatever you called it the eighty [TS]

01:32:34 ◼   ► whatever whatever whatever strength but then also the corrects it slept IP [TS]

01:32:41 ◼   ► script to figure out the correct slips trips right now probably told the story [TS]

01:32:47 ◼   ► before and I'm sorry but my goodness it was such pain and and and when we [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► finally got it was such a said set a sense of accomplishment and and it's [TS]

01:32:57 ◼   ► just it's not the same anymore nothing in your kids these days of different [TS]

01:33:00 ◼   ► issues that they have to overcome like windows behind nevertheless it's just so [TS]

01:33:05 ◼   ► funny to me how different things are today I mean ultimately it's better [TS]

01:33:10 ◼   ► today I mean like yeah but you know I well thanks like two or three sponsor [TS]

01:33:14 ◼   ► this week [TS]

01:33:15 ◼   ► fracture king and Squarespace and we'll see you next week now that show they [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► didn't even mean to begin [TS]

01:33:26 ◼   ► it was accidental [TS]

01:33:36 ◼   ► does it was accidental and you can find the show and a phone call [TS]

01:34:20 ◼   ► I disagree with with something that jon said a few minutes back which is about [TS]

01:34:25 ◼   ► how how network play kind of replaced in person play i I don't think it's [TS]

01:34:31 ◼   ► anywhere near the same thing and the headset and the constant voice chat does [TS]

01:34:35 ◼   ► improve things a lot but I know there's there's something about you know just [TS]

01:34:40 ◼   ► being in the same room or being like in the next room over from the people who [TS]

01:34:45 ◼   ► were who you're playing against and when you start marching into their base and [TS]

01:34:48 ◼   ► you you can like hear them swear and get and get all upset about it or like like [TS]

01:34:53 ◼   ► we had a rule during our land games for total annihilation we had a rule that [TS]

01:34:56 ◼   ► you were not allowed to mute the sound or wear headphones you had to use [TS]

01:35:01 ◼   ► audible sound you can turn down there had to be audible and so you could like [TS]

01:35:07 ◼   ► there was even strategy and that like be careful what you click because the other [TS]

01:35:10 ◼   ► person might hear you click on a big unit makes a certain sound all know you [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► have one or so there's all these little factors you could you could a dinner [TS]

01:35:18 ◼   ► that or that just happened that made it more interesting more rich experience to [TS]

01:35:23 ◼   ► be in the same room as people and be playing with people as opposed to get [TS]

01:35:27 ◼   ► everyone on the same server together you know and and I think I think looking at [TS]

01:35:32 ◼   ► that what probably really killed the LAN party as being a thing besides how [TS]

01:35:36 ◼   ► incredibly expensive and complicated and time consuming it was was the N 64 [TS]

01:35:43 ◼   ► getting four players that like the n64 came out at roughly the same time that [TS]

01:35:49 ◼   ► we were doing all this stuff and a little before but it really came into [TS]

01:35:53 ◼   ► its own by that time so like we were faced with alright well what do you [TS]

01:35:57 ◼   ► wanna do time do you wanna all bring your computers over and dick around with [TS]

01:36:00 ◼   ► Windows for two hours or do you want to just come over and play Goldeneye and [TS]

01:36:06 ◼   ► it's already here and Mario Kart Wii U two guys bring controllers will only [TS]

01:36:11 ◼   ► have to otherwise you know I get it was like my feelings in person playing of of [TS]

01:36:18 ◼   ► four-player good and 64 and forward games I think that really didn't warrant [TS]

01:36:23 ◼   ► a LAN party I didn't say that it was the same but it did replace it and the same [TS]

01:36:28 ◼   ► way that when you went from what replace their land parties were replaced it [TS]

01:36:32 ◼   ► four players Christine four players quit split screen is not the same because [TS]

01:36:35 ◼   ► everybody can see everybody else's screen but it did replace it so like I [TS]

01:36:39 ◼   ► said if you look at how are people doing most of their multiplayer gaming it used [TS]

01:36:42 ◼   ► to be that the super hardcore gamers were having LAN parties nowadays the [TS]

01:36:46 ◼   ► super hardcore Land Park gamers are sitting in front of a screen with a [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► headset on so we replaced it and like I was thinking of the in person thing like [TS]

01:36:53 ◼   ► the places where land party still exist like a convention is often when I see [TS]

01:36:56 ◼   ► people playing it giant LAN party conventions they're playing at the LAN [TS]

01:37:00 ◼   ► party the same way they play at home which is headphones on headset on [TS]

01:37:03 ◼   ► staring at the screen in front of them which is not you know it's not the same [TS]

01:37:07 ◼   ► here right but that's that is what has replaced like those other aspects that [TS]

01:37:11 ◼   ► were different [TS]

01:37:12 ◼   ► were deemed not as important as the aspects that they liked us like when you [TS]

01:37:15 ◼   ► went to four players but it's going to split screen goldeneye the aspects that [TS]

01:37:19 ◼   ► you are missing having private streams were a significant but we're not the [TS]

01:37:23 ◼   ► most important thing most important thing is you're having fun with your [TS]

01:37:25 ◼   ► friends and for most people the inconvenience of traveling to the to be [TS]

01:37:30 ◼   ► the same place like one of the scheduling you know getting everybody [TS]

01:37:34 ◼   ► when they're all free at the same time and can travel to someone's house to sit [TS]

01:37:39 ◼   ► on their couch together to play a game even when you've eliminated a land party [TS]

01:37:42 ◼   ► stuff it's hard to do that is to pay when dinner is done and the kids are in [TS]

01:37:48 ◼   ► bed let me just wander into my computer room and everyone get online the same [TS]

01:37:51 ◼   ► way we do a podcast get online at nine o'clock and that works out you know so [TS]

01:37:55 ◼   ► it is definitely different and there are aspects that are not as good and you're [TS]

01:37:59 ◼   ► missing things but convince wins out eventually and that's true but to me [TS]

01:38:04 ◼   ► some of my favorite memories of doing these quote-unquote LAN parties or no [TS]

01:38:09 ◼   ► modem party's gonna call them was if not the whooping and hollering that happened [TS]

01:38:14 ◼   ► during the games I've marco was describing but man the trash talk [TS]

01:38:17 ◼   ► afterwards like after a session or a game around or whatever was over when [TS]

01:38:22 ◼   ► you would just kill happily fun getting each others faces and start screaming [TS]

01:38:27 ◼   ► and yelling at all I can't believe you did that you would say and I totally [TS]

01:38:30 ◼   ► slaughtered you on that level of noxious but that was the most fun in the world [TS]

01:38:36 ◼   ► and and that just don't see and it's hard for me to say can only play games [TS]

01:38:41 ◼   ► that much anymore but I don't see that [TS]

01:38:42 ◼   ► happening at a LAN party or special II if you're not co-located I'm pretty sure [TS]

01:38:49 ◼   ► trash talk still works over headset mic someone to play someone who plays video [TS]

01:38:52 ◼   ► games can confirm to me that perhaps still is that thing on the internet you [TS]

01:38:56 ◼   ► know what I mean I'm pretty sure trash talk is the only thing that goes over [TS]

01:38:59 ◼   ► headset mics that's true I was trying to do like a verbal sarcasm tax because [TS]

01:39:05 ◼   ► sometimes people don't catch it like when when I said the Mac Mini has a Core [TS]

01:39:08 ◼   ► 2 Duo and corrected me as I was serious that was sarcasm folks we invented in [TS]

01:39:14 ◼   ► New York where everything is good for the best we we've mister Ohio [TS]

01:39:24 ◼   ► you left so it's more important to be from there then John where we can say [TS]

01:39:34 ◼   ► what state New York and would you ask me [TS]

01:39:39 ◼   ► Virginia and Connecticut under know some crazy state New York John New York how [TS]

01:39:45 ◼   ► long were you in New York at least a few minutes of your formative years there [TS]

01:39:48 ◼   ► the thing that the thing that mold you into the man that you are your formative [TS]

01:39:52 ◼   ► years the calls formative for a reason why did you spend those years so well [TS]

01:39:56 ◼   ► not new york so I 0 through like 24 Montgomery New York then we bounced [TS]

01:40:04 ◼   ► around for a little bit when I was really young kid in kindergarten through [TS]

01:40:08 ◼   ► second grade I believe it was I was in Carmel New York and New York not New [TS]

01:40:15 ◼   ► York come upstate up it's not out of state my god it's basically Canada [TS]

01:40:20 ◼   ► market like an hour and a half from new york city it is not that upstate you can [TS]

01:40:28 ◼   ► get very pretty out there in an hour and a half from new york city you can get an [TS]

01:40:32 ◼   ► hour and a half from New York City not be upstate is by going east into the [TS]

01:40:37 ◼   ► ocean over Long Island [TS]

01:40:39 ◼   ► as bridges and tunnels traffic and wine what they actually that I wanted to to [TS]

01:40:46 ◼   ► mention here only if you're talking about as LAN party in PC gaming crap is [TS]

01:40:51 ◼   ► that so one of the like four core guys that that I had to land parties with is [TS]

01:40:56 ◼   ► getting married the spring and as part of the bachelor party we're renting a [TS]

01:41:00 ◼   ► house somewhere for the weekend and we want to play LAN games again so I think [TS]

01:41:05 ◼   ► we're gonna do to to have this done is it cuz we don't wanna play new games [TS]

01:41:10 ◼   ► wanna play total annihilation and you know maybe supreme commander at the [TS]

01:41:13 ◼   ► newest which has came out late 2004 something so they're not new games by [TS]

01:41:18 ◼   ► any stretch and so what I'm thinking is thinking of configuring cause I don't [TS]

01:41:25 ◼   ► want to have to spend a whole weekend downloading stuff of a god knows what [TS]

01:41:28 ◼   ► connection and configuring stuff there that's that's not a good use of a [TS]

01:41:31 ◼   ► weekend in a big house so stinking tekserve will rent you MacBook Pros like [TS]

01:41:38 ◼   ► body day or by the week and for pretty reasonable price was thinking I could [TS]

01:41:42 ◼   ► just like rent like six MacBook Pros and having a pre-configured parallels avian [TS]

01:41:49 ◼   ► that I could just today I would set up beforehand and just copied all them and [TS]

01:41:56 ◼   ► played out wait is that is that plausible you think you could try try [TS]

01:41:59 ◼   ► boxer boxer no no these are no it's unfortunate either Windows games like [TS]

01:42:05 ◼   ► like to isolation is like a Windows 98 era game but it works on Windows doesn't [TS]

01:42:10 ◼   ► run and us know and and supreme commander is like a DirectX 9 game it's [TS]

01:42:15 ◼   ► pretty relatively recent it's 10 years old but relatively recent righteous but [TS]

01:42:21 ◼   ► the the macro present the windows cause I don't know how I think that that might [TS]

01:42:27 ◼   ► take too long to like to get to get a real bootcamp partition I guess I could [TS]

01:42:31 ◼   ► like images somehow I know how to do that though [TS]

01:42:35 ◼   ► there's this imaging prices anyway things you probably aren't up [TS]

01:42:41 ◼   ► fertilization any one of the things that were unreasonably heavy industry and try [TS]

01:42:46 ◼   ► to on your Mac Pro to see if it can if it does sign in and where ya and to [TS]

01:42:51 ◼   ► enter the chat people the reason I don't just get Windows machines because I just [TS]

01:42:56 ◼   ► want I want to like have all the setup before I rent the computers and before I [TS]

01:43:00 ◼   ► get there have a V I'm sort of like you just copied over and be and be done with [TS]

01:43:04 ◼   ► it not spent hours and hours and hours making this work I predict that no [TS]

01:43:09 ◼   ► matter what you do to prepare for this part of the LAN party springs will be [TS]

01:43:13 ◼   ► preserved and that will be the part of you dicking around the computer so glad [TS]

01:43:19 ◼   ► that that shouldn't be a failure that should be considered part of the success [TS]

01:43:22 ◼   ► you know I've tried to get so back into games like so many times there's a [TS]

01:43:27 ◼   ► greater the podcast called up three moves ahead and it's like a strategy [TS]

01:43:31 ◼   ► gaming podcast also like a lot of good stuff just about people they have the [TS]

01:43:35 ◼   ► chemistry this was interesting show but I get right into that and I listened to [TS]

01:43:40 ◼   ► the episode about ancient game that I'm aware of but all the ones about new [TS]

01:43:43 ◼   ► games I don't know what the heck they're talking about and it's like the whole [TS]

01:43:47 ◼   ► world that habit has moved on for like 10 years since I stopped paying [TS]

01:43:52 ◼   ► attention to it and I i feel like i cant get back into it now I'm excited to play [TS]

01:43:58 ◼   ► games with my ancient friends in this one occasion I'm excited about that but [TS]

01:44:04 ◼   ► like i dont wanna play total isolation against range on the Internet today [TS]

01:44:08 ◼   ► well you have you can look at the good way in the bed with a bad way as the [TS]

01:44:12 ◼   ► you're missing out on all these great games and you are missing out on the [TS]

01:44:15 ◼   ► good way is that by being ignorant for so long in your future somewhere Eliza [TS]

01:44:20 ◼   ► time when you're going to to somehow StumbleUpon define yourself playing a [TS]

01:44:25 ◼   ► modern game and you're going to be like oh my god I didn't know when did this [TS]

01:44:29 ◼   ► happen two games will be in July gonna happen to me with console games cause I [TS]

01:44:32 ◼   ► didn't I never own game consoles my parents didn't let me have one and I [TS]

01:44:37 ◼   ► stopped kind of playing them over my friends house once I really got into [TS]

01:44:39 ◼   ► computers with that sort of dominated my life and I like around the SNES era kind [TS]

01:44:44 ◼   ► of faded away from consoles and the next time I paid any attention all consoles [TS]

01:44:48 ◼   ► as when I saw my cousins Nintendo 64 Mariners it apart like oh my god when [TS]

01:44:52 ◼   ► did this happen it's not like I hadn't seen 3d graphics before I grew up [TS]

01:44:55 ◼   ► playing quake with new cards or whatever or friends house but seeing again [TS]

01:44:59 ◼   ► console with analog second seeing Mary 64 which is like a shock to my system [TS]

01:45:03 ◼   ► and totally brought me back to console game and it also helped that point I was [TS]

01:45:06 ◼   ► old enough to buy my own so where you will have your marriage 64 moment and [TS]

01:45:11 ◼   ► you will probably get back into it but in the meantime you should use my [TS]

01:45:13 ◼   ► strategy with cars because I'm never driver you know with the exception of [TS]

01:45:18 ◼   ► seeing here in five see any cars real-life have anything to do with them [TS]

01:45:21 ◼   ► but I've been reading car magazine since I was like 10 years old by continuously [TS]

01:45:26 ◼   ► so despite the fact that I didn't own any cars and so many many years now I've [TS]

01:45:31 ◼   ► only had a couple of cars in my entire life I still feel like I'm in the car [TS]

01:45:34 ◼   ► seeing just by reading magazines every month for my entire adult and half of [TS]

01:45:41 ◼   ► child life so you could have been doing that if you really cared I mean I kind [TS]

01:45:44 ◼   ► of do too I read all the game I read the gaming news there in the game console [TS]

01:45:48 ◼   ► magazines and grant I have like five consoles like the TV but I don't have [TS]

01:45:52 ◼   ► all of them and no play all the PC games but I'm aware of them so it's kind of [TS]

01:45:55 ◼   ► like a you know what what point is that reading car magazines about cars you [TS]

01:46:00 ◼   ► never going on what point is it really gay magazines about games never gonna [TS]

01:46:03 ◼   ► play both kind of the same thing I do both I'm hearing you say if I remove [TS]

01:46:08 ◼   ► made me remember as I'm getting on this nostalgic kick that one 3d card that we [TS]

01:46:13 ◼   ► had a thing as the first one we got where it would take this short little [TS]

01:46:17 ◼   ► study cable in tin plugged into the VGA out of your actual video card and then [TS]

01:46:22 ◼   ► plug it into a VGA and on the 3d daughter card and then the VGA out that [TS]

01:46:28 ◼   ► goes to monitor was on that 3d daughter card goodness it was so terrible you [TS]

01:46:33 ◼   ► know the crappy old days due to my first good 3223 because I think the first one [TS]

01:46:40 ◼   ► that was all integrated and didn't have that stupid hack I remember back in the [TS]

01:46:44 ◼   ► day when I when I was excited to get a soundblaster so I could listen I like [TS]

01:46:48 ◼   ► the sound effects on Carmen Sandiego is like a ten year [TS]

01:46:51 ◼   ► whatever I want whenever I was the good old days of baiting PC users when they [TS]

01:46:55 ◼   ► had their computers couldn't do basic things like have an auto switching 10 [TS]

01:47:00 ◼   ► 100 Ethernet cable hope you mentioned the Xbox or a sound card when you need [TS]

01:47:05 ◼   ► to sound card for my camera supercomputers complete games in my very [TS]

01:47:10 ◼   ► first masking with two buns future [TS]