The Accidental Tech Podcast

47: Better Pixels


00:00:00   it's not as exciting as it sounds because you may be stopped before I [TS]

00:00:03   explain but now explain you'll see that it's not exciting so I've been looking [TS]

00:00:08   at getting it different video card for my Mac to search tide me over and [TS]

00:00:12   looking into getting in as the enduring also thinks says it doesn't look like [TS]

00:00:15   I'm getting a Mac Pro anytime soon and I'll be able to email me with [TS]

00:00:19   suggestions for things to get and one personal email me with an offer of an [TS]

00:00:23   old video card they had out of their 2008 Mac Pro don't remember who is [TS]

00:00:28   through feedback from some of this person wants me to get out his name so I [TS]

00:00:31   won't but someone said hey I've got Radeon 4870 sitting in my closet by [TS]

00:00:37   using do you wanna and I said sure and so they sent along and just arrived [TS]

00:00:41   today I haven't installed it yet but I was very nice thing to do and it is [TS]

00:00:45   instead of being a seven year old video card it's like a sixer five year old [TS]

00:00:49   video card but it's twice as fast as they want to have in there now and it [TS]

00:00:53   ought it and it's it's an apple supplied card so it's not like a weird / PC card [TS]

00:00:58   or anything like that so I think it should work and if it works just doubled [TS]

00:01:03   my video card speed wow very exciting but you know I also have some boring [TS]

00:01:09   update to mind which nobody will care about basically I change my order I [TS]

00:01:13   previously said in a show that I wanted the eight-core d700 because what the [TS]

00:01:17   hell it's not you know the gig was a big jump at 3701 sure that little relatively [TS]

00:01:22   speaking really isn't I step out of the six core Indy 500 because after [TS]

00:01:27   evaluating what was going on and the actual price I realize you know I don't [TS]

00:01:30   really want to have spent twenty $100 total extra just for those two upgrades [TS]

00:01:36   and that my actual usage of the thing I'm probably not going to see that much [TS]

00:01:40   of the benefit going from the six core da cor to be worth so much more money if [TS]

00:01:45   it was only a few more dollars I would have gone for it but 1,500 for that and [TS]

00:01:49   for 600 for the d700 will probably never used to its full capacity I realized I'd [TS]

00:01:55   be happier having spent a lot less on the computer and then upgraded in you [TS]

00:02:01   know two or three years instead of 5 I'll feel less bad about selling a two [TS]

00:02:05   or three old one that was only you know just under 5,000 instead of one that was [TS]

00:02:09   just over 7,000 [TS]

00:02:11   so it's a pretty big price difference I didn't think it was worth the ones for [TS]

00:02:14   me but when the when the retina displays come out and you ditch this trash can [TS]

00:02:18   for a nerd trash can do it better if you had the seven hundred and they're so I [TS]

00:02:23   would it would be more attractive to me to buy your old one off you [TS]

00:02:26   yeah so I really really blog post about an hour ago mostly so we wouldn't have [TS]

00:02:32   to go into this into much depth on the show [TS]

00:02:35   Casey I know it is entirely a favor to KCR this up in a blog post instead [TS]

00:02:39   basically the gist of it is I think that the way they're going to do right now is [TS]

00:02:44   not be no two years off doing 5120 by 2880 I think what they're actually going [TS]

00:02:51   to do is using for K and using software scaling as we actually talked about like [TS]

00:02:56   two months ago I think that's gonna do I think that's that's probably coming up [TS]

00:03:00   soon [TS]

00:03:01   like that that could easily happen this year that mean they can release the [TS]

00:03:04   display today if they wanted to other manufacturers are very similar displays [TS]

00:03:08   a very good price point so I think that's how we're gonna do right now and [TS]

00:03:12   therefore think it will be compatible with the current 400 follow-up time [TS]

00:03:17   let's do it mean to sound effect for that the promised an effective kind of [TS]

00:03:23   wish I don't know if we could pull off the cap off gaza cool the weekend [TS]

00:03:28   business and in fact that there is the son of a Greek toponym couple weeks ago [TS]

00:03:37   maybe I remember when it was even last week we talked about how I talked about [TS]

00:03:43   one of my pet peeves about software development and that's having a group of [TS]

00:03:47   people make a product and then having all those people leave and just having [TS]

00:03:51   like a skeleton crew there to deal with the product emerging about this in the [TS]

00:03:54   context of Apple's iLife apps and they're they're iWork apps and all the [TS]

00:03:58   other apps that have seemed certain languished as years have gone by Marie [TS]

00:04:01   speculating maybe it's because most of the people who are on that project were [TS]

00:04:05   taken off to go someplace else and I said you gotta leave the development him [TS]

00:04:09   on a project once you make a product you can take those people off and one person [TS]

00:04:14   wrote in to disagree with me that it was a good idea to make people get stuck on [TS]

00:04:19   a project like that cuz what if they want to go off and do something else [TS]

00:04:21   they shouldn't have to stay with the price they created its own self-worth [TS]

00:04:24   and tried to clarify this in the program but apparently wasn't clear enough so I [TS]

00:04:27   just wanna say it again it's not that the people who make the product to stay [TS]

00:04:31   with their product is that the company has to dedicate manpower to that product [TS]

00:04:36   as long as it exists so you can't like a similar level of effort and manpower has [TS]

00:04:42   to be applied to approximately where all those people do it I don't want to have [TS]

00:04:45   the full size team under progress just going through minor revisions year after [TS]

00:04:49   year as any single developer knows even just keeping up with OS revisions is [TS]

00:04:55   almost as big a job of writing the up in the first place in some ways it's worse [TS]

00:04:58   in some ways easier but presumably are also going to improve the product as [TS]

00:05:02   time goes on if you don't put a team similar in size and capability that made [TS]

00:05:07   the product on the products you know permanently MROs it will slowly get [TS]

00:05:12   worse in relation to the competition in relation to other applications and that [TS]

00:05:16   seems to be what's happening with love apples applications just to clarify its [TS]

00:05:19   not saying that if you're a developer you make an image editing out you're [TS]

00:05:22   doomed forever in that company to work and image editing out forever you're not [TS]

00:05:26   but there have you have to leave a team behind more or less and not tiny little [TS]

00:05:31   maintenance team or a team of like being see players or any other way when you [TS]

00:05:35   think you gonna save money or time you're doing your company and your [TS]

00:05:38   customers a disservice it's hard and it's it's also interesting with [TS]

00:05:42   consulting because in my experience what what happens is company will either not [TS]

00:05:49   have the manpower or perhaps the expertise to do some sort of project and [TS]

00:05:55   so in my day job they'll call in some of our people and we don't do staff August [TS]

00:06:03   by the way of describing we really do is that we get a team of our own people [TS]

00:06:07   together and we all work on this project for usually few months and then at the [TS]

00:06:13   end of that project typically what happens is will do a lil have a very [TS]

00:06:16   small crew that stays behind figuratively speaking in order to do [TS]

00:06:21   some final maintenance and warranty work [TS]

00:06:24   but then after that we usually punted back to the client and their internal [TS]

00:06:27   team in order to maintain and sometimes it goes really well when clients have [TS]

00:06:32   really good internal teams and kinda know what's up but sometimes that does [TS]

00:06:36   not go well at all we hear later on through the grapevine that that the [TS]

00:06:39   crime doesn't have the appropriate expertise even when they think they do [TS]

00:06:44   and and that create some real problems but they're mean there's not much we can [TS]

00:06:48   do about that other it cuz it sounds extremist self-serving and it is kind of [TS]

00:06:51   self-serving for us to say oh well why don't you keep us on retainer for ever [TS]

00:06:56   and will be around just in case it it's not the way it works in specially when [TS]

00:07:01   you work for a fairly progressive firm like I do well granted we do the [TS]

00:07:05   Microsoft stack with some of you probably don't think it is progressive [TS]

00:07:08   but within our Microsoft world were very progressive in and out of our code a [TS]

00:07:14   novice or even intermediate level programmer would probably have a hard [TS]

00:07:18   time digesting and doubly so if there if it's a program that's never seen the [TS]

00:07:23   code until the time in which we throw it over over the wall and walk away that [TS]

00:07:28   happens even inside a single company forget about outside consultant or [TS]

00:07:31   anything very often and maybe even that Apple had enough that you'll have a team [TS]

00:07:36   that will make a product and it's not like the team that made the progress [TS]

00:07:39   necessarily more experience the better programmers or anything that any other [TS]

00:07:42   people but they understand the process understand wanted to sign the way it was [TS]

00:07:46   designed they understand the design itself and if those people go off [TS]

00:07:50   without it without transitioning like they are you work on the product and [TS]

00:07:53   then I can goes into whatever maintenance mode or like into general [TS]

00:07:57   purpose release where anyone in the company's allowed to address bugs in it [TS]

00:08:00   or whatever if if it's sort of like okay now anyone know any developer the [TS]

00:08:05   company could fix a bug those developers don't like likely don't understand the [TS]

00:08:09   design of application out put together what the invariant is supposed to be in [TS]

00:08:13   you know you're like well it should be documented in there should be designed [TS]

00:08:15   documents that should be good comments it should be lol should should should [TS]

00:08:18   but the reality is you know parameters are not interchangeable parts and [TS]

00:08:22   there's a core team of people who understand the product unless you [TS]

00:08:25   transition them away from the project assuming they want to go away from it by [TS]

00:08:28   socializing the new developers like you know bring the new guy on board teaching [TS]

00:08:32   how everything works out that person improved documentation so you can't just [TS]

00:08:36   like throw down into the wild [TS]

00:08:37   people doing things in the code where it looks perfectly fine and it's simple [TS]

00:08:41   enough they understand it and it works but they've violated some unspoken [TS]

00:08:45   invariant that everybody was on the original team understands has to be true [TS]

00:08:48   but there were no assertion slaughter there was no design document specifying [TS]

00:08:51   maybe there was that in see it and if the cumulation of those just you know [TS]

00:08:55   either way the quality of the code makes it more difficult to change down the [TS]

00:08:58   line is no such thing as like except for like US government software Defense [TS]

00:09:04   Department's offers these things maintenance mode if you have a product [TS]

00:09:07   is selling it to customers who need developers will understand it actively [TS]

00:09:10   working on it plus another follow up item we're talking about it where where [TS]

00:09:14   computers are going in the future and / I think I was talking about unification [TS]

00:09:19   the memory and storage hierarchies so the dire que would still be there but [TS]

00:09:25   from a software perspective everything's address balls an address in memory even [TS]

00:09:29   if it's backed by you know / or regular on more catches on a chip or register as [TS]

00:09:36   you know the whole hierarchy bit addressable in the same way sort of you [TS]

00:09:38   know imagine a few genius hardware and a lot of you heard in with examples [TS]

00:09:44   systems they do that this time no one last time I brought up a lot of people [TS]

00:09:48   are talking about memory mapping files and stuff like that of course there are [TS]

00:09:52   many many examples the computers are all sitting in front of right now and even [TS]

00:09:55   on our iPods are everywhere listen to this on major versions memory mapping [TS]

00:10:00   files is the most common example where you too instead of doing I on the file [TS]

00:10:04   you just pretend hey now the entire conference that files map into memories [TS]

00:10:07   not really but that's how you address it and when you address those pieces of [TS]

00:10:10   memory just as ok well I don't actually have that information and stunt dis song [TS]

00:10:13   and go get it from disk bulletin for you and make it look like it was in the [TS]

00:10:16   memory all virtual you know virtual memory and works in a similar manner [TS]

00:10:21   with the memory mapping and we talked about the PlayStation game consoles [TS]

00:10:27   where they don't have a separate pools of RAM NVRAM of course is the good [TS]

00:10:30   version of that where it's one big giant pool faster and with the crappy version [TS]

00:10:33   of that which PCs to do in the bad old days where they didn't want to give you [TS]

00:10:37   dedicated VRAM they would use your main memory has been around is really bad [TS]

00:10:40   performance because video memory could be tuned to video test better and you [TS]

00:10:45   know this on the older computers to read as a member of the car responded to [TS]

00:10:49   you know I O interfaces read is a member that correspond to the screen so you [TS]

00:10:53   wrote that reason member you really ready to video memory they would show up [TS]

00:10:56   on the screen directly and all sorts of other things the big one that most [TS]

00:11:00   people run about I was the as400 which I'd completely forgotten about insurance [TS]

00:11:05   to below are completely forgot about in fact they renamed as 400 to high-five [TS]

00:11:11   system are some ideas changed their names haven't kept up the stuff anyway [TS]

00:11:15   this is a very old system based on an even older system from the sixties that [TS]

00:11:20   does what they cost single-level storage exactly what I was talking about just [TS]

00:11:24   addressing everything as it was a memory address even when it's not about these [TS]

00:11:30   links miscarriage people I read about it but a lot of technology that he heard [TS]

00:11:34   this before like in other rooms where things appearance supercars and grow or [TS]

00:11:39   Mercedes or whatever like any luck breaks and air bags and gradually [TS]

00:11:41   trickled away down until your Ford Festiva has all the features a decade [TS]

00:11:45   later the trickle-down happened similarly computers were going from [TS]

00:11:49   mainframes and supercomputers down to your phone but it happens unevenly and [TS]

00:11:54   it seems like it sometimes a little bit slower and there are still things that [TS]

00:11:57   mainframes or whatever you recall mainframes today we are still things [TS]

00:12:01   those systems can do that our systems can't do and we're still waiting them to [TS]

00:12:05   trickle-down things like to be able to hotswap CPUs and you know hardware [TS]

00:12:11   redundancy sort of self-healing type features inside my PC or it's only four [TS]

00:12:16   things about to run 24 7 lots of excuses why these things having trickle-down it [TS]

00:12:20   makes sense but I would think that inevitably anything that's a good idea [TS]

00:12:25   there is eventually gonna find its way down so single-level star i think is a [TS]

00:12:28   reasonably good idea and will eventually find its way down into your wristwatch [TS]

00:12:32   pinky ring contact lens computer in the decades to come [TS]

00:12:36   and the other features like you know hardware redundancy inability heal and [TS]

00:12:42   stuff I think it's a whole topic around the data maybe I'll throw in there but [TS]

00:12:45   have some other interesting ideas about the future of computing but I don't [TS]

00:12:49   think the fall it ends up being pinky rings i think im out by then Prime be [TS]

00:12:58   safer thinking brings a finger fingers will swell noted stuck on the tube [TS]

00:13:02   go to the ER to get them cut off goodness we want to talk about [TS]

00:13:07   PlayStation 4 is now the damn thats 2012 my through and I'm trying not to pay too [TS]

00:13:11   much attention to see [TS]

00:13:13   MNCs just so gross I have never been interested in it it's disappointing to [TS]

00:13:18   me even when I had interests like I would like to see what the new TVs [TS]

00:13:21   coming out or that such as the worst possible venue I would like to know [TS]

00:13:25   about new TVs have been redesigned the spectacle CSX noting that in fact that [TS]

00:13:30   subtract from it was all the companies making announcements that I'm interested [TS]

00:13:33   it's es made the same insurance but like a YouTube video our press release [TS]

00:13:37   anything other than a stage presentation at see it seems like CES represents like [TS]

00:13:43   the worst of the hardware industry like it's it's so much you know tone deafness [TS]

00:13:50   sexes weird products the worst of the hardware industry is the worst of [TS]

00:13:56   humanity and the products that are announced there at like 10 people are [TS]

00:14:03   doing the best of CES the fight that the products are announced they're so rarely [TS]

00:14:07   make it into production or when they do make it into production day they have a [TS]

00:14:12   lot of problems that this year's version glossed over it didn't have a lot of [TS]

00:14:17   limitations or something like that it's basically like it's it's a way for the [TS]

00:14:21   industry to celebrate itself under the guise of announcing things to the world [TS]

00:14:26   and showing off what's new but in reality most the thing showing off their [TS]

00:14:29   either aren't interesting or are interesting but also fantasies that [TS]

00:14:32   whenever hit the market seems like the press has a real hard time covering see [TS]

00:14:37   yes and the problem of CES seems to be that no one including the people [TS]

00:14:41   presenting and the people covering it can differentiate seems to be able to [TS]

00:14:45   differentiate between the stuff that is obviously ridiculous crap and that in [TS]

00:14:49   the light of day when you wake up when it's all over your goal wide however [TS]

00:14:52   ever pay attention to that and things that are you know interesting news and [TS]

00:14:56   because it all starts to look the same in this big fun house atmosphere whereas [TS]

00:15:00   if you would just look at the things individually there's no way you would [TS]

00:15:03   cover that of someone put out a press release on their site and put up with [TS]

00:15:06   information about some crazy things that no one's ever going to use you would [TS]

00:15:09   skip it but because it sees yes everything sort of get equal treatment [TS]

00:15:12   so [TS]

00:15:13   I like I'm interested in what about the saying it there I'm interested in the [TS]

00:15:18   new television technology I'm interested in some of the new you know the steam [TS]

00:15:21   box stuff and the camera tech stuff but all that stuff doesn't need that [TS]

00:15:26   surrounding dazzle and ridiculousness if you just have interesting products to [TS]

00:15:31   announce announce them this this is an OCS related and I went overnight danger [TS]

00:15:37   but there's a story that Sony announced how many places in four states oh and [TS]

00:15:46   they said it's 4.2 million and Microsoft announce the better week ago that they'd [TS]

00:15:52   sold three million Xbox console so we talked when places for lunch they sold [TS]

00:15:56   two million twenty-four hours into the Xbox that similar numbers in my car [TS]

00:15:59   that's financier lead opposite see if they can sustain that looks like they're [TS]

00:16:03   both consoles are doing pretty well more or less neck-and-neck PlayStation 4 [TS]

00:16:07   maybe a little bit ahead but I think I think the PlayStation 4 still supply [TS]

00:16:11   constrained and it seems like from pictures I see people on Twitter that if [TS]

00:16:14   you want an Xbox one you could go into a store and see this big stack of green [TS]

00:16:18   boxes and pick 1 I'm not sure that's entirely true but I know from experience [TS]

00:16:21   that you cannot destroy into a storm victim ps4 at this point because I [TS]

00:16:26   looked online and you're not hard but you know I'm just curious like about [TS]

00:16:29   minister the cells but how does it look and see if that many and they don't and [TS]

00:16:33   occasional look online and CEO do any of these things have it available for order [TS]

00:16:36   and they don't so i think it's still harder to place for and PlayStation for [TS]

00:16:40   selling more so maybe they're probably read to me think but either way both of [TS]

00:16:44   them doing very very well I would say the discussion console generation is off [TS]

00:16:47   to a strong start [TS]

00:16:48   are there any games that people actually want yeah that's the thing I like I [TS]

00:16:52   don't think there's no there's some good games coming out like I mean he was [TS]

00:16:55   shown by Microsoft Titan fall and sony has a couple of good titles in the works [TS]

00:16:59   but there is no big system so against as you know that the typical franchise [TS]

00:17:03   games that are all the platforms you can also plan it bc but who cares it's not [TS]

00:17:07   like the other part of these platforms are being propelled by some must have [TS]

00:17:10   exclusive game like Halo or something people just new consoles now I wonder so [TS]

00:17:15   in previous launches there's there's usually been you know maybe one system [TS]

00:17:19   out of the best of the bunch that didn't have any like must have launched has [TS]

00:17:23   there ever been a generation before this where none of them [TS]

00:17:27   had any must have games online like a lot of time a lot of times they would [TS]

00:17:32   launch but with a couple of the GameCube did not have must have games at lunch [TS]

00:17:37   the Xbox 10 I must have you had hello people to know how it was going to be [TS]

00:17:43   any good was the first Halo game like I don't think that person making people go [TS]

00:17:48   out and buy original Xbox because there was a son of an unknown quantity may be [TS]

00:17:52   a few Mac users who followed by Andrew thought it was awesome everyone else [TS]

00:17:55   like Halo what I don't know about that I i mean i dont member of the ps2 I guess [TS]

00:18:00   I read razor something that console settle in and like that the reason I [TS]

00:18:04   thought these two new consults would do well as i said i think im a preview show [TS]

00:18:08   that for many people of the of the age to be having enough disposable income to [TS]

00:18:13   buy their own consoles or to get their parents about this is their first new [TS]

00:18:17   console generation their whole life they've been using like their [TS]

00:18:20   PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 then maybe the previous generation from their older [TS]

00:18:24   siblings or whatever this is the first console generation they're living [TS]

00:18:27   through after seven or eight long years of using all the past acts so I think [TS]

00:18:32   the market was ripe for tons and tons of people who want and shiny new thing [TS]

00:18:36   people who aren't like grizzled veterans of many console generations and it seems [TS]

00:18:41   like that was the case I have to imagine this must be building a lifelong [TS]

00:18:46   disappointment and game systems from these people though if the very first [TS]

00:18:50   awesome thing they're looking forward to this game system the very first new [TS]

00:18:53   computer comes out for like you know some eight year old and they get it and [TS]

00:18:58   there's only like four games for it and they're all kind of mediocre like is [TS]

00:19:01   that it had a great experience that's part of the experience having been [TS]

00:19:06   through many console generation part of the experience is getting super excited [TS]

00:19:09   about the console and then even if you're lucky even if you get you like [TS]

00:19:13   I'm getting intend to 64 is gonna have married it's gonna blow my brains out in [TS]

00:19:17   the totally does its amazing game everybody loves it and then you play [TS]

00:19:21   like okay what else can I get like [TS]

00:19:23   and pilings thing you know and then you're like well I guess it was like [TS]

00:19:30   we've raised that wasn't bad the lot launch games are usually not the best [TS]

00:19:35   games like and even if there's one that's really great maybe if you're [TS]

00:19:39   lucky you get one's really great [TS]

00:19:40   consoles have life cycles for kids who don't know that they're going to learn [TS]

00:19:43   the hard lesson the hard lesson of like the software in the modern age of [TS]

00:19:47   software that comes at lunch they sucks it needs to be patched a million times [TS]

00:19:50   does not have to be true he wanted his buggy as hell and like just wait like [TS]

00:19:54   there's a life cycle this is the beginning part as good parts exciting to [TS]

00:19:57   get a lunch date signed to be the first one to have it and bad cause the games [TS]

00:20:01   are just like ports or multi-platform titles in the few exclusive you play [TS]

00:20:05   through are interested in and just wait like it's it's all part of the process I [TS]

00:20:09   think it's it's making a new generation of gamers and now even have like a lot [TS]

00:20:14   of hardware problems to him have you been following that depends reno's saga [TS]

00:20:18   of trying to get an Xbox he's gotten like five of them broken so far [TS]

00:20:23   think all the companies in the entire world that should be wary of carefully [TS]

00:20:28   designed hardware Microsoft and he's probably just as I haven't heard any you [TS]

00:20:33   know he's just getting unlucky but after the red ring of death and billions of [TS]

00:20:37   dollars in writedowns for hardware replacement and people being on their [TS]

00:20:41   sixth and seventh Xbox 360 surely Microsoft got it right this time [TS]

00:20:44   apparently all the funny thing is to apparently the biggest source of their [TS]

00:20:49   problems is the disk drive with you would think I mean is it that new of a [TS]

00:20:53   thing like you would think we would know how to make reliable optical disc drives [TS]

00:20:57   in 2014 every time I think about this I just keep thinking back to the [TS]

00:21:01   PlayStation 3 I'm like that machine should have fallen apart in people's [TS]

00:21:04   hands like crazy Cell processor first thing with a blu-ray drive and waiting [TS]

00:21:09   for the stupid blue blazers and others like I don't understand and then like [TS]

00:21:13   Playstations and just you know been fine and it doesn't make any sense that [TS]

00:21:17   Microsoft screwed up with the much more conservative approach to go any more [TS]

00:21:21   concerned now and then these hard drive problem I don't understand maybe I mean [TS]

00:21:25   there's something to be said for Sony's decades and decades of experience [TS]

00:21:29   building to electronics and Microsoft considerably smaller [TS]

00:21:32   experience the real Xbox one was just a fluke because it was fun at the very [TS]

00:21:38   first Xbox it was a PC crammed into a small box and it was fine [TS]

00:21:43   like you know you would think it would have overheated some wonder how to the [TS]

00:21:46   problem it was fun I never heard of a widespread problem has been so that well [TS]

00:21:50   either so well I mean this their their Christmas 360 like the reason it shape [TS]

00:21:54   the way it was a speaker's Xbox is huge lol right and so they made the excessive [TS]

00:21:59   amounts of all alright well anyway they made that they made the successor it [TS]

00:22:03   skinny seats practice like an hour less look as skinny it is and maybe you [TS]

00:22:07   should get a room for cooling and it wasn't even that ski well I know but [TS]

00:22:13   like you said they were going for like we don't want to make a gigantic by and [TS]

00:22:16   they should have been an Xbox one is pretty big and so is the place for that [TS]

00:22:19   matter we'll see I i something dangerous thing to just be you know bad luck will [TS]

00:22:25   it's not like we start seeing stories into this get the name like red ring of [TS]

00:22:28   death among know it's an issue do we want to answer the question who needs a [TS]

00:22:35   Mac Pro in there because you know again with you about what kind of computer on [TS]

00:22:42   again whether in the buying a Mac Pro lots of people have this is one common [TS]

00:22:46   strain of feedback or you need a Mac Pro for Marco to what is marketing are you [TS]

00:22:53   guys don't need this computer and this kind of logic an argument and [TS]

00:22:58   questioning like what is it that you're doing the Union democrat I was getting [TS]

00:23:01   from my what it what games are you playing specifically the offensive video [TS]

00:23:05   card and there's a snarky answer like it was game on Twitter which is four games [TS]

00:23:11   four games I don't have now that's why you buy that's why one of the reasons I [TS]

00:23:14   buy a big fancy computer is not for the games that are that are out now before [TS]

00:23:18   the end of term yet to 34 years from now on to play those to your computer but [TS]

00:23:22   that's besides the point this line of reasoning of like [TS]

00:23:26   you need to have a practical reason for this thing that you're getting otherwise [TS]

00:23:32   you shouldn't get it only seems to apply in certain situations certainly applies [TS]

00:23:37   in this situation we're talking about big expensive computers but I was trying [TS]

00:23:40   to think of other situations where people are comfortable with it not apply [TS]

00:23:44   having trouble coming up with good examples I thought of like if you get a [TS]

00:23:48   bigger TV occasionally I guess someone might ask what do you need to be that [TS]

00:23:53   big book for but for the most part people understand you're not getting a [TS]

00:23:55   big TV because like well i watch golf lot and I was having trouble seeing the [TS]

00:23:58   ball so I need television so the ball's bigger people kind of intuitively [TS]

00:24:03   understand that it's more sort of immersive and exciting to look at a [TS]

00:24:08   bigger screen than a smaller ones when you say you got a bigger TV people don't [TS]

00:24:11   say why did you get a bigger one why what is it that you like literally [TS]

00:24:15   asking like is there some kind of program that you watch that was not [TS]

00:24:19   working correctly with your smaller television and now work with a big one [TS]

00:24:23   or why do you need granite countertops what was wrong with you do you do [TS]

00:24:26   something to do certain kind of cooking that only works on granted to you do [TS]

00:24:29   like pastry dough you need to suck where the heat and like sometimes you just [TS]

00:24:32   want to have countertops and looked like nice shiny granted I guess the answer [TS]

00:24:35   and the same thing with the computer I feel like there are reasons why I might [TS]

00:24:40   want to get it but why not everything has to be a need there's such an idea [TS]

00:24:47   like a luxury item and you can choose a luxury items are maybe a luxury item is [TS]

00:24:51   very fancy furniture or a nice how how surgery are really expensive watch or [TS]

00:24:56   lots of vacations or whatever or maybe a 335 instead of 328 used him but yeah but [TS]

00:25:04   now it's like a certain things people except as indulgences or as a hobby [TS]

00:25:10   interest or whatever and the things people don't accept as an intelligence [TS]

00:25:13   and demand justification you must have an actual need are you running maybe you [TS]

00:25:18   just want to have a fast computer because you're Intertechnology fast [TS]

00:25:21   computers are fun to have my I think that's a perfectly valid reason its [TS]

00:25:24   large part of my reason a large part of marcos reason I don't think anyone [TS]

00:25:28   should ever get caught in the idea where they have to justify through work [TS]

00:25:32   related examples like these are related example that will show me the game that [TS]

00:25:36   needs this video card like [TS]

00:25:38   that's a ridiculous example if you don't need to play games period if I gave your [TS]

00:25:41   like all right when I see why you need one walk as I need to play its first [TS]

00:25:44   person shooter why you play the first person shooter that we accept this fun [TS]

00:25:47   you're allowed to play a game just because it's fun but you know I have a [TS]

00:25:50   fast computer just because it's not so the only way you can just buy the [TS]

00:25:52   computer is to point to the game you're gonna play which I except they are [TS]

00:25:56   allowed to use yeah I think I think part of it is it's a combination of you that [TS]

00:26:00   part of part of that like why do you need this is that these are very [TS]

00:26:05   expensive items and so it's killing it in to say you know like buy expensive [TS]

00:26:08   cars to say like oh I I got this car that's really really expensive but you [TS]

00:26:13   can't afford it that's people don't like hearing that it's not a great thing to [TS]

00:26:17   spread around and you know computerize but not as expensive as cars but they're [TS]

00:26:21   still very expensive and they're like computer the Mac Pro are unaffordable to [TS]

00:26:26   many people and so there's that ass but the other aspect is that computers do [TS]

00:26:31   have this weird blend of some people need for that nobody needs a TV for work [TS]

00:26:37   except Jay Dr Meyer nobody else needs a TV for work and you know we all use [TS]

00:26:42   computers for work nowadays that not everybody but everyone everyone talking [TS]

00:26:46   on the show and probably a lot of listeners we all use computers for work [TS]

00:26:49   and we also use computers for hotties and for leisure and entertainment and [TS]

00:26:55   and so it's there are people who do need the Mac Pro for work you know if your [TS]

00:26:59   professional video editor [TS]

00:27:01   working with four k content you are probably going to need it you know if [TS]

00:27:06   you're if you're doing certain other things we need to but it's the number of [TS]

00:27:10   people who need the Mac Pro or who need like all the way decked out laptop or [TS]

00:27:16   iMac is a pretty small number really but you're right you know it is just [TS]

00:27:20   distorted because some people do need them for work but for most of us it's [TS]

00:27:25   just we want things to be nicer in a little bit faster countertop example to [TS]

00:27:29   some people need a granite countertops their pastry chefs are like it doesn't [TS]

00:27:35   take the heat out of the dough is faster than I remember this is a reason why you [TS]

00:27:38   need an account doesn't bother you could conceivably you could conceivably need [TS]

00:27:42   one [TS]

00:27:43   but then most people don't get them for that reason one person point out that [TS]

00:27:48   like well the difference between not needing to play a game is the game show [TS]

00:27:53   less expensive than a Mac Pro well super high end games like Crysis 3 the gaming [TS]

00:27:58   up expensive but the computer that you need to run a decently certainly is but [TS]

00:28:02   you know prices are relative like this macro may seem like it's super expensive [TS]

00:28:06   thing right to buy it but compared to the cost of living in a nicer [TS]

00:28:10   neighborhood going on more vacations are like all the other things that people [TS]

00:28:13   can spend their money on like to know if we want to live as cheaply as possible [TS]

00:28:17   we would not have happened things that we have and we will take it get into a [TS]

00:28:21   career that doesn't involve computers and we all be farmers or something right [TS]

00:28:26   and you know it's all about like you know how you spend your time like you [TS]

00:28:29   know for me like I I spend so much time in front of a computer for daily there [TS]

00:28:34   was a tweet at River go that has gotten the most retweeted never tweeted and [TS]

00:28:39   it's something on the lines of if you sit on look at or touch something for [TS]

00:28:46   more than two hours a day [TS]

00:28:47   spend whatever it takes to get the best and so that includes keyboards mice your [TS]

00:28:51   chair of yours if you sit at a desk all day you better have a nice share a nice [TS]

00:28:55   keyboard a nice mouse and a nice monitor you know if the things that you use all [TS]

00:29:00   time you get nice things it's always good to get a good mattress to sleep on [TS]

00:29:04   you know that like lots of reasons including comfort but also like to know [TS]

00:29:07   your back and stuff like that there's no you should you should if you if you have [TS]

00:29:14   the ability to spend to get a premium version of something the wisest thing to [TS]

00:29:19   spend that on are the things that will have the most impact to your everyday [TS]

00:29:23   life generally speaking and so like the difference between a good monitor and a [TS]

00:29:28   heart monitor each and every single day 4 hours the difference between a good [TS]

00:29:32   bad and a crappy bad you're gonna be lying if hours a day hope that's gonna [TS]

00:29:37   catch up with you you know and and to the computer for people like us is one [TS]

00:29:42   of those things if you actually will even notice the difference [TS]

00:29:48   ever it's probably worth it like it's probably worth it to get a really nice [TS]

00:29:51   computer if you do anything at all [TS]

00:29:54   for any reason my time during the day that might read your computer it's worth [TS]

00:29:57   it to get the best one that you can get that fits your needs by bringing it by [TS]

00:30:01   bringing the time spent in front of device metric here trying to drive us [TS]

00:30:05   back to pragmatism I'm trying to take it away trying to say no [TS]

00:30:08   justified in a pragmatic rational manner for things like this you know some [TS]

00:30:14   people in just for some people just want a really fancy table saw more they do [TS]

00:30:17   with that fancy table saw they make little wooden things that they never [TS]

00:30:21   skip to anyone don't sell and are useful in any way that's their hobbies what [TS]

00:30:25   they want to do all you don't need to 10,000 audibles I know he does not need [TS]

00:30:28   to $10,000 labels off because he's not making money from it in fact it's it's a [TS]

00:30:32   money sink he just makes little wooden things and put them in his house and [TS]

00:30:35   make them happy and that's what he wants to spend his money on $10,000 table saw [TS]

00:30:39   I'm not saying that you should justify what you spend extra money on by by how [TS]

00:30:46   much will make you money was i'm saying just like by how much you will enjoy it [TS]

00:30:49   like that example fit my rationale perfectly like if you're going to [TS]

00:30:52   actually use a table saw more than once a year [TS]

00:30:56   get a great one you know why not if you can if you have the ability to and that [TS]

00:31:02   will make you that happy then that's worth it that's worth doing for you you [TS]

00:31:06   know if you don't care that's fine if you if you can't afford it you know do [TS]

00:31:09   do your best if you wanna spend the money elsewhere [TS]

00:31:12   fine like I did I get zero enjoyment out of wearing fancy clothes so every day I [TS]

00:31:18   where $7 t-shirt and a very worn out pair of jeans I bought from Amazon [TS]

00:31:23   everything I where I can buy from Amazon when it wears out which I love I worked [TS]

00:31:26   for years to get to this point it's amazing I hate shopping all that stuff [TS]

00:31:30   like I Drive a really nice car a computer but I where crap clothes [TS]

00:31:35   there's a lot of things I don't care about because you know that this is [TS]

00:31:39   where I spend my time this is where I got my enjoyment so it is a combination [TS]

00:31:42   of luxury in treating yourself to the things you like and and being you know [TS]

00:31:49   kind of an analytical about where you spend that extra money to give you the [TS]

00:31:52   maximum the maximum like fun or happiness benefit ok gigli posted 24 [TS]

00:32:01   align posts in the chat rooms that means he demands to be hurts all addresses [TS]

00:32:04   point here [TS]

00:32:05   the problem is that the Mac Pro for hobbyists who could afford it is that [TS]

00:32:10   it's still not the premium thing they wanted it's like you wanted the best [TS]

00:32:12   granite countertops cocom but Apple gave you decent countertops but also to huge [TS]

00:32:16   bridges you don't have much use for that may be true some people from me [TS]

00:32:20   specifically it's like Apple gave me the granite countertops I wanted to but they [TS]

00:32:24   cost 10 times more than I thought they would because underneath number too [TS]

00:32:28   graphic cards again like there are as i said before there are parts of the Mac [TS]

00:32:36   Pro that appealed to me way more than any than if I had gotten exactly the [TS]

00:32:40   computer that I wanted with internal storage everything I like that it's [TS]

00:32:42   super small I like this only one fan I never dreamed of those things when i was [TS]

00:32:46   thinkin like oh boy I have revised the Mac Pros you know and it looks and it's [TS]

00:32:50   something internal storage and has to have card slots maybe you could be [TS]

00:32:54   smaller nice and get rid of the optical that's what I was envisioning it like a [TS]

00:32:58   that's exactly the machine to you instead the game is no machine that has [TS]

00:33:00   things that I didn't even dream I could ask for only one fan as quiet as a Mac [TS]

00:33:04   Mini you better bet that appeals to me tremendously but it costs so darn much [TS]

00:33:09   money you know it's getting into like if you can afford to do you want to really [TS]

00:33:13   fancy computer is just as you like yes but I have a budget too and it costs so [TS]

00:33:18   much money so that information specifically is the problem and that the [TS]

00:33:23   railing and all the people are saying what do you need that computer for what [TS]

00:33:27   do you need a high end GPU for anything like that I'm just saying you don't need [TS]

00:33:31   to meet you just need to just need to want it and I certainly do want a Mac [TS]

00:33:34   Pro but you always have to mount what you want with what you can afford and so [TS]

00:33:37   on and so forth [TS]

00:33:37   I think the two separate issues I think also and with all due apologies to Casey [TS]

00:33:42   to talk more than just fuhrman I swear he's already left his loved it I think [TS]

00:33:50   the new Mac Pro it's kind of like when the when the first MacBook Air came out [TS]

00:33:55   in that we're looking at a number saying there's no drive bays there is no card [TS]

00:34:01   slots the Rams healing is actually lower than the previous one and look at all [TS]

00:34:07   that you say well this isn't really what we wanted and [TS]

00:34:09   and it's kind of limited everyone said the same things about the first MacBook [TS]

00:34:13   Air when it came out additional problem that it was incredibly slow won't have [TS]

00:34:18   that problem now with with the MacBook Air [TS]

00:34:22   we have eventually like when I first came out we were like you know I still [TS]

00:34:25   use DVD drives every so often and and maybe I maybe I want that you know that [TS]

00:34:29   that doesn't happen whatever but over like the next year and a half those [TS]

00:34:33   things basically vanish and then two years after the first one came out next [TS]

00:34:37   one came out it was also everybody bought it and it became like the new Mac [TS]

00:34:39   to have and and i think that the current Mac the new Mac Pro which is humorously [TS]

00:34:46   called the 2013 money even though nobody actually got in 2013 the new Mac Pro is [TS]

00:34:51   is it is a similar kind of jump as the first MacBook Air which is it although [TS]

00:34:56   with a lot fewer downside thank you know my current macro the big cheese grater [TS]

00:35:01   one it has for internal drive bays the hard drives in you could put two optical [TS]

00:35:06   drives in it [TS]

00:35:07   well i I even used but I put a blu-ray burner bottom I use it [TS]

00:35:12   approximately never I have for internal drive bays one of them useful and I over [TS]

00:35:21   time finding like oh and the card slots I've never put an expansion card on a [TS]

00:35:26   Mac Pro I've owned 24 myself one for my wife never put an expansion card and [TS]

00:35:34   what a lot of people put in the expansion slots are more GPUs and to the [TS]

00:35:38   new addresses that even so there's there's a lot of Mac Pro users who even [TS]

00:35:42   having the expandability of the previous generations didn't use it that much [TS]

00:35:47   actually sending just corrected me apparently my SSD is a pci-express card [TS]

00:35:51   that I forgot about groups say once I have used one card and that by the way [TS]

00:35:56   the new Mac Pro has an exact same thing I want arafat has a built-in and it's [TS]

00:36:00   faster and cheaper so the point is we I had helped expandability but over time [TS]

00:36:07   I've used less and less and less of it and I think Apple looking at their [TS]

00:36:11   customers I believe they've found similar things among other Mac Pro [TS]

00:36:15   Bowler saying things like how yeah it's true that a lot of video editors don't [TS]

00:36:18   use local storage they will you know they'll use a San or something like that [TS]

00:36:22   there's [TS]

00:36:22   the need for the internal bays has shrunk over time and so the compromises [TS]

00:36:28   the new machine makes the compromise that are about hardware you know there's [TS]

00:36:32   compromise about pricing and and requiring two GPUs that increase the [TS]

00:36:36   pricing and that's a separation is perfectly valid but the compromises [TS]

00:36:40   about internal expandability and space and ports and things I think they're [TS]

00:36:45   actually doing the right thing I don't think that's going to really be a [TS]

00:36:48   problem that anyone cares about and six months perhaps not the first like to [TS]

00:36:54   apologize I was trying to interject and say it was fine for you to continue [TS]

00:36:57   talking about Mac Pro stuff but I left myself muted like a moron will you [TS]

00:37:02   because you didn't object I just kept going well I notice and that's why it's [TS]

00:37:06   not a problem but I would really really love free to tell me about something [TS]

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00:40:18   you this is not a loaded question did you have anything more on the Mac Pro [TS]

00:40:21   cause I sorta kinda cut you off there [TS]

00:40:24   me I actually I think for now I'm done I'm sure about next episode with more [TS]

00:40:28   maybe even ten minutes I think for now I'm done [TS]

00:40:33   John anything about the macro specifically [TS]

00:40:36   ok tell me about Panasonic LCD TVs if you don't mind her back the CES in there [TS]

00:40:46   because this is a story that I saw in the CBS news and you know I was [TS]

00:40:49   interested but with TV tech and particularly with Panasonic was going to [TS]

00:40:53   do we all new Panasonic was leaving the plaza business and of course they're [TS]

00:40:57   going to make LCD TVs and they have and the most interesting thing about this i [TS]

00:41:02   think is of course they're touting for caverns time before k last year they [TS]

00:41:08   were doing [TS]

00:41:08   never missed a day forecast well but it was interesting to me to see how they're [TS]

00:41:13   going to pitch these new televisions in the way they pitched it they they kind [TS]

00:41:17   of did little bit of marketing judo on the one hand you could say well they [TS]

00:41:22   went right up and like they you know they had read to their opponent's [TS]

00:41:25   forehand why they play they knew that everyone was going to say these TVs are [TS]

00:41:30   as good as your old TVs so they dress that immediately by their marketing [TS]

00:41:34   message was we're making for k LCD televisions LCD with LED backlight crap [TS]

00:41:39   I hate that so much I know it's shorthand but anyway and what we're [TS]

00:41:45   going to say about that is there you know they're as good as or better than [TS]

00:41:48   our plasma TVs but they said it in the kind of marketing weasel word he says [TS]

00:41:52   he's already way they said basically the color chart saying they the color [TS]

00:41:57   reproduction is better than even our best previous plasma CT 69 about that is [TS]

00:42:04   that color reproduction 44 televisions for like classes and everything like [TS]

00:42:09   plasma panasonic has been saying for years can already show color is outside [TS]

00:42:13   the range that you're sporting code supposed to show and reproducing likely [TS]

00:42:18   raising television signals like the color ranges in the content is not as [TS]

00:42:23   wide as the can be displayed LED TVs in fact most TVs have a setting that lets [TS]

00:42:27   you say do you want me to show the cars as intended by the author according to [TS]

00:42:30   this narrow range of colors of the expected to be able to reproduce on [TS]

00:42:33   output or do you want me to use the entire color range of the setting just [TS]

00:42:36   going to kind of senior the source comes across that [TS]

00:42:39   and you can choose whichever you want you want to accuracy or sort of like a [TS]

00:42:43   watercolor band so the fact that there are LCD television has it ever so [TS]

00:42:48   slightly even wider range of colors in the closet really make that much of a [TS]

00:42:52   difference with current content may be to make a difference down the line with [TS]

00:42:55   different content but for now it doesn't really make that much and they didn't as [TS]

00:42:58   far as I know say anything about black levels and motion interpolation all the [TS]

00:43:03   other areas where we know CDs have problems compared to class so kind of [TS]

00:43:07   disappointed that they pulled that but it seems to work than ever on because I [TS]

00:43:11   wanted to parenting line is this Panasonic says they're as good as or [TS]

00:43:14   better better than their previous plasma and in some respects I'm sure they are [TS]

00:43:18   as good in some respects they're probably better they probably use [TS]

00:43:20   wireless power other than his own so forth but in some respects I fully [TS]

00:43:23   expect that they are were so I guess the jury's still out until you know [TS]

00:43:26   independent third-party get their hands on these TV star testing them and they [TS]

00:43:30   can and we'll see but this is not the first time this has happened way back in [TS]

00:43:34   the day pioneer used to make plasmas and they made that line of classes that was [TS]

00:43:38   widely acknowledged to be the best TV you buy for any price that wasn't a [TS]

00:43:41   projection TV and it was the Panasonic the past like the Pioneer Kuro he'll eat [TS]

00:43:45   line of televisions and then pioneer stop making plans with them for many [TS]

00:43:49   many years after that every new television manufacturer that was [TS]

00:43:54   reviewed they would say all this is a great new TV to this mean you can buy [TS]

00:43:57   right now but it's still not as good as the courier will eat and then what [TS]

00:44:00   happened year after year and that's kind of very strange technology where it [TS]

00:44:03   would be like if the new Mac Pro came out and said well does not produce great [TS]

00:44:07   but it's not as good as the next four years ago but never happens like it's [TS]

00:44:11   that doesn't happen the computers and televisions also very strange so for a [TS]

00:44:15   long long time the girl he was the king and it could be for a long time that the [TS]

00:44:19   Panasonic classes but I suspect that the fork a dif will will be a factor here [TS]

00:44:25   and say well you know all those classes weren't for queso cares about them and [TS]

00:44:29   all the matters for so serious question do you suspect that the you will regret [TS]

00:44:36   I think that's too strong that you'll regret the purchase of your TV from just [TS]

00:44:40   a month or so ago [TS]

00:44:42   sooner because some newer better TV will come out or because there will be [TS]

00:44:50   proliferation of four K TV shows and movies does actually making a fork a [TS]

00:44:56   display worth it how do you avoid that question that they can get their [TS]

00:45:02   attention but how do you guys feel about four k well it's one of those things [TS]

00:45:05   it's it's a lot like Super Audio CD and DVD Audio which is you know and I i dont [TS]

00:45:13   mean two free tickets sales i think i do I don't need to be diplomatic you know [TS]

00:45:21   when you look at and variously consumer electronics TV formats over time the [TS]

00:45:26   audio recorders is a great way to look at this hour plus video as well every [TS]

00:45:31   time there's been a major quality increased that has been successful in [TS]

00:45:35   the market it is also come with other benefits besides the quality that have [TS]

00:45:39   made people want to buy it so when going from cassettes to CDs there was a major [TS]

00:45:45   increase in so many other factors besides the audio quality was more [TS]

00:45:49   communion it was more reliable it was faster to seek around the rewinding [TS]

00:45:53   similar thing going from VHS to DVD you know there's it's everything is faster [TS]

00:45:58   easier better more versatile you can put it more places computers can read it you [TS]

00:46:02   can play in the car all the time [TS]

00:46:03   all that stuff and so then you look at it then going from DVD to Blu ray and [TS]

00:46:09   DVD to Blu ray was a little much slower transition I would still say it's not [TS]

00:46:14   really complete its because the only difference between DVD and blu-ray is [TS]

00:46:21   clear is better quality and is more annoying and all of the ways the DVDs [TS]

00:46:25   are annoying blu-ray for worse that's the only major difference there's no [TS]

00:46:30   like they are all the sudden more versatile easier to use or available in [TS]

00:46:34   more places are cheap or smaller anything like that so looking at all [TS]

00:46:39   that look at TVs when when we moved from SSD HDD we also are moving to you know [TS]

00:46:48   from CRTC giant heavy horrible things to nice than LCDs and plasmas they were [TS]

00:46:54   much bigger much thinner much lighter much cooler looking and and much better [TS]

00:46:58   looking so there were a lot of other reasons for people to move from STD [TS]

00:47:04   widescreen aspect ratio was another big factor exactly so there's all these [TS]

00:47:09   other factors that went along with it that made of success in the market and [TS]

00:47:13   meet people want to have it besides just picture quality in fact as most people [TS]

00:47:19   know almost everyone who cares about TV picture quality has probably gone to a [TS]

00:47:23   relative to parents house and seeing that they are running their cable box or [TS]

00:47:27   something into the TV that supports high def but they haven't hooked up with the [TS]

00:47:30   wrong cables using the wrong and put her on settings and they're not they're not [TS]

00:47:33   even watching a TV content and they don't care and it drives me nuts so [TS]

00:47:37   obviously liked the picture quality alone is not enough to drive major [TS]

00:47:43   adoption very quickly if anything same thing so in the audio world when SACD [TS]

00:47:48   and dvd-audio came out they both flopped first of August the format war but [TS]

00:47:52   mostly because nobody cared that much it was it was the exact same as CDs but [TS]

00:47:56   less things are supported yet to get you to get new players you couldn't do in [TS]

00:48:00   your computer your car and things so it flopped porque is credibility with with [TS]

00:48:06   newer types TV sets at [TS]

00:48:08   that's less of a problem but you looking for cancer as well we already have HTTP [TS]

00:48:14   it's very mature by now we have great with tons of great HTC source material [TS]

00:48:20   and source devices tons of hte broadcast cable and everything is Xtina basically [TS]

00:48:26   which was not the case even like five years ago [TS]

00:48:29   very good XP support and in the industry and the move 24 K what is it really [TS]

00:48:35   gonna brings you know it's it's gonna bring a new type of disc format probably [TS]

00:48:41   I don't think we can do it right so probably a new kind of format new kinds [TS]

00:48:45   of TV's new new disc players were still using this god I hope not but we [TS]

00:48:49   probably still well for a little while much larger file sizes for internet [TS]

00:48:54   streaming media a whole other round of everybody cable companies TV companies [TS]

00:49:00   everybody a being able to screw everything up again so it's a big [TS]

00:49:03   disruptions to make everything that was maturity to become immature again why go [TS]

00:49:10   through all that and the reason is an increase in picture quality that you [TS]

00:49:13   probably won't notice ever but the people who do not [TS]

00:49:17   it won't notice it on my Canadian Stevie I mean that's how how compelling is that [TS]

00:49:22   really and I think it's gonna take off [TS]

00:49:24   similarly to blu-ray in that it will it will be the high end so people will buy [TS]

00:49:30   it but it's not gonna be explosively growing very quickly the way DVDs and [TS]

00:49:35   CDs did because most people it doesn't bring any noticeable benefit except [TS]

00:49:41   saying you have the high ending the audio CDs and blu-ray and stuff had two [TS]

00:49:48   things going against them for Caylee's doesn't have and the both of those were [TS]

00:49:53   physical media being introduced to right around the time when physical media was [TS]

00:49:56   going away for their respective mediums like dvd-audio Super Audio CD yesterday [TS]

00:50:01   all they said the other format war stupid nobody care but also mp3's came [TS]

00:50:06   along and so they were just like that and blu-ray it's amazing that has been [TS]

00:50:09   as successful as it has been but it came out around the time that streaming video [TS]

00:50:14   became a thing and now only crazy people by the reason everyone else just you [TS]

00:50:18   know streams that if they can't write so those were all like media distribution [TS]

00:50:21   format they were coming up against a hey we don't need physical media anymore [TS]

00:50:25   television's luckily have the advantage of there is no downloadable TV you need [TS]

00:50:29   to have an actual TV said you can't make a TV set appear in your house over a [TS]

00:50:32   wire so that it still has a place in the ecosystem it's not being wiped out by [TS]

00:50:37   like I mean I guess it would be like head-mounted display is there something [TS]

00:50:41   or something else that's not wiping enough people want still want to look at [TS]

00:50:43   the screen so bad that going for road before Kate thing sometimes I think it's [TS]

00:50:48   kinda like right now where it's like yeah nobody will care and only nerds [TS]

00:50:52   will be able to tell but will happen anyway just because it's cheap enough to [TS]

00:50:55   double the resolution of LCDs at that size that could happen I I can totally [TS]

00:51:01   envision a world where every TV you by its four ka and almost all content is [TS]

00:51:06   still 1080p you know because the content everything else didn't catch up with it [TS]

00:51:10   but mostly want to think about for k is that kind of like super IRA CD and DVD [TS]

00:51:15   Audio they enhance the wrong thing they enhance the thing that the fewest number [TS]

00:51:21   of people are able to detect as even being different let along better because [TS]

00:51:26   you play an audio CD for someone and play a DVD Audio superheated not [TS]

00:51:30   can't tell even audio files before depends on the mastering it depends on [TS]

00:51:34   everything else and all those excuses you're gonna make for not being able to [TS]

00:51:36   tell between a CD in Super Audio CD all the same excuses apply to television [TS]

00:51:40   well it depends on other content has mastered well depends announced tribute [TS]

00:51:43   well depends on the authorship yes that's true of video as well and that's [TS]

00:51:47   like doubling the resolution may not be better in a way that people can tell now [TS]

00:51:52   has a double saving graces concentrates on the resolution but they're also has [TS]

00:51:56   support for different frame rates and that I think people probably could [TS]

00:52:00   notice it based on people's impression of seeing The Hobbit 48 frames per [TS]

00:52:04   second and how they said I look crazy at least you'll notice that these people [TS]

00:52:06   could tell they just 48 per second I can tell it's different you know someone [TS]

00:52:11   points out sports 820 frames per second [TS]

00:52:14   those who think that maybe people will be able to tell and that may be able to [TS]

00:52:19   drag along the content producers to say who is motivated to make porque content [TS]

00:52:23   well maybe the NFL isn't motivated to make porque content and the NFL's [TS]

00:52:27   motivated content and people by the TVs and like that will kind of go on [TS]

00:52:31   together it may just be kind of inevitable thing but the other people [TS]

00:52:34   making eyes at CES this year were trying to say hey we're over here and we're [TS]

00:52:39   trying to improve the other stuff that needs to be improved about TV like i [TS]

00:52:42   just mentioned the color gamut like what what is the maximum dynamic range from [TS]

00:52:46   the brightest and darkest spot on television set [TS]

00:52:48   what is one of the range of colors that you can display all those things are [TS]

00:52:53   areas that desperately need to be improved in television but it you know [TS]

00:52:56   television color standards even tht standards are way behind what what the [TS]

00:52:59   current technology can display and those people will notice way more than forked [TS]

00:53:04   you should someone that Dolby demo with like that you know the the huge dynamic [TS]

00:53:07   range and everything and then showed somebody for KTV everyone else he'll do [TS]

00:53:12   everything is different even though even if you are running a 1080p and if you [TS]

00:53:15   just go for k vs 94 K from certain distance you can tell you that [TS]

00:53:20   resolution is the only thing that that's not gonna see you so I think this is [TS]

00:53:24   interesting but I really wish kinda like the the cameras with the megapixel Waris [TS]

00:53:30   I really wish that the side that was going for not more pickles but better [TS]

00:53:34   pixels basically was a little bit stronger in the spy but it seems to me [TS]

00:53:38   that for k will probably happen [TS]

00:53:40   kind of inevitably but not nearly enough time for me to regret my pleasant [TS]

00:53:45   purchase to finally answer cases question because I'm gonna be enjoying [TS]

00:53:49   1080p content with fewer of the compromises that bother me about LCDs [TS]

00:53:54   for many years to come [TS]

00:53:56   the only thing we could possibly annoy me i think is that game console start [TS]

00:54:00   putting out for K and and it's noticeable for like framerate reasons if [TS]

00:54:05   that happens maybe are regarded in a couple years but I really I would feel [TS]

00:54:09   much much worse if I have my old TV which was not nearly as good quality as [TS]

00:54:14   any plasmon the past couple of years I would really go to keeping that and [TS]

00:54:18   knowing now I'm stuck now if this TV breaks or if I just get sick of looking [TS]

00:54:22   at bed black levels I will never have I just nothing out there for me to buy it [TS]

00:54:26   as I sit here and wait now at least I know I'm set as long as it keeps working [TS]

00:54:29   for many many years and I consider do what I like to do which is but my time [TS]

00:54:33   and look for that one perfect time to buy the news that's where I think you [TS]

00:54:39   have a long long time before any for KTV is is so good so compelling and so [TS]

00:54:45   supported by the surrounding ecosystem that would be really compelling to [TS]

00:54:50   upgrade I i mean you know HDTV came out when Lee 2001 or something it's pretty [TS]

00:54:56   old but didn't get them that year five years later or more and it was it was a [TS]

00:55:05   few years after that before they were actually very good and I think we're [TS]

00:55:09   going to see a lot of the same things I mean granted that was also again that [TS]

00:55:12   was good that was changing overwrought of legacy old stuff making LCD is get [TS]

00:55:16   better get better [TS]

00:55:17   moderate amounts of the signals digitizing lots of stuff so there was [TS]

00:55:21   more to do during that transition AC content is terrible though like the [TS]

00:55:25   compression artifacts like your cable provider Netflix streaming like they [TS]

00:55:29   can't even they pick any input signal doesn't look like crap on 1080 sometimes [TS]

00:55:32   and I they're sending us an uneven sending full 1080p so it's gonna be a [TS]

00:55:37   long time for the you know sort of non if you don't have a good reason if you [TS]

00:55:41   don't like the Discovery Channel the NFL or something you have some compelling [TS]

00:55:44   reason to go to forecast high frame rate as soon as you possibly can [TS]

00:55:48   we're still in for a long long run [TS]

00:55:50   road of supposedly for k content supposedly ahd content that technically [TS]

00:55:54   the Phils the requirements but mostly is gross well a couple things considered [TS]

00:55:59   firstly the NFL already films and fork at least he was Fox does somebody have [TS]

00:56:03   made him a pen and gadget I don't recall who it was but they they had talked to [TS]

00:56:08   and I believe it was Fox about how they were going to film the Patriots game and [TS]

00:56:14   one of the things they said was we actually fill in for k so that when you [TS]

00:56:20   zoom in [TS]

00:56:21   sleep for one of the challenges of words whatever was so when you zoom on a [TS]

00:56:26   instant replay get a full 1080 image out of the source which was for cash and so [TS]

00:56:33   to some degree this is already happening even though it's not making it all the [TS]

00:56:38   way to the consumer and the other thing I wanted to point out was part of the [TS]

00:56:43   reason that Aaron and I didn't upgrade to an HDTV set up initially was because [TS]

00:56:49   not only did we need a new TV but we also needed a different cable box and to [TS]

00:56:56   get the different cable box we needed to pay at the time Comcast more money and I [TS]

00:57:01   can't speak for everyone else but I know not a similar to the retina discussion [TS]

00:57:05   we had last week I didn't really at the time know what I was missing and so I [TS]

00:57:11   didn't really see an urgent need to upgrade and Aaron doesn't really care [TS]

00:57:14   for 99% of all TV and so she didn't see it terribly strong reason to upgrade and [TS]

00:57:20   so we didn't have we had an HDTV in 2007 and I don't think we actually had ADHD [TS]

00:57:26   pumping into the house and so we moved here later and we're getting files [TS]

00:57:30   anyway so I can't speak for everyone but but that makes a little different it [TS]

00:57:35   would mean another thing that made me think of was well wonder if adoption of [TS]

00:57:40   LTE bands would have been a lot slower if it costs more money from the carriers [TS]

00:57:47   to do to get LTE service not only speak for AT&T but on AT&T there's no [TS]

00:57:54   difference in price and I believe it's the same for Verizon I am Not sure that [TS]

00:57:57   same for tmobile and nobody's a sprint so [TS]

00:58:01   I'm not saying there's an answer and it's it's a rhetorical question but I [TS]

00:58:04   wonder if LTE adoption would have been slower if it was more expensive I think [TS]

00:58:09   in the way most people go to new technologies is when they have to buy a [TS]

00:58:14   new one anyway they get a decent one at the time and so with phones we move very [TS]

00:58:19   quickly because so many people are on subsidized phone plans where you're [TS]

00:58:24   pretty much encouraged to get a new phone every every one to three years so [TS]

00:58:28   that's why the phone market moves so quickly [TS]

00:58:30   TV's move very slowly and you said like the cable box thing a lot of people [TS]

00:58:33   don't pay for their cable box but you know you have to go through the hassle [TS]

00:58:38   for an upgrade like bring it to some place in the next to the UPS Depot or [TS]

00:58:42   whatever [TS]

00:58:43   times but you know even if you have to pay for your only use it as a premium if [TS]

00:58:50   you have well if Tebow is still alive and you have a TiVo to pay extra for the [TS]

00:58:55   new HDR for k1 and then Johnson complain about that for the next ten years gonna [TS]

00:58:59   suck you think that a lot of HP menus everywhere [TS]

00:59:03   1080p exactly I would be glad if we ever get to that point it seems like this [TS]

00:59:09   that may never even happened [TS]

00:59:11   yeah but like you know that the rate at which people normally upgrade TV [TS]

00:59:15   equipment is pretty slow because TVs are large and they they used to be pretty [TS]

00:59:20   expensive but getting pretty cheap now but they're still at these these large [TS]

00:59:23   kind of fixtures like furniture pieces that you tend like no one gets a new TV [TS]

00:59:27   every year to John I waited for years give me a break for years I with the TV [TS]

00:59:34   menu by the way they're not even 1080p and 720p but you know well and by the [TS]

00:59:40   way lots of TVs are still sold at 720p I don't think that they still make 720 I [TS]

00:59:46   think every TV stand me know when last year when I when I bought that LCD that [TS]

00:59:50   small 37 inch LCD for the back room I had to look pretty hard to get a 1080p [TS]

00:59:56   won so many of them are 720p [TS]

00:59:59   research that I think they're almost all I'm not sure you can still find a 720 [TS]

01:00:05   especially if you are going to the no name brands but I think any means [TS]

01:00:08   and probably has 0 720p television sets now I don't think that's the case I [TS]

01:00:14   don't think that's Kirron once you go to the smaller size like in the 38th [TS]

01:00:18   exactly you go to the thirties and you go to go to those all CDs in the [TS]

01:00:21   thirties and there's a lot of 720p 30 inch TV of the size of your monitor [TS]

01:00:26   well I actually had to fit this in a head to fit into one area within an [TS]

01:00:32   existing built-in book show and so I had had a size cap so the 37 inch Panasonic [TS]

01:00:37   was like the the biggest that would fit into this little spot resist the Batcave [TS]

01:00:40   you can say is wow [TS]

01:00:45   know it's true though i think i sat on a previous show our biggest TV in the [TS]

01:00:50   house is 40 inches and there is no part of me that wants a bigger one and that [TS]

01:00:55   one is 1080 but the one we have in the in our bedroom and the only reason it's [TS]

01:01:00   in our bedroom is because we got the the the 40 in church her place at that one's [TS]

01:01:04   32 inches and granted it's a bit older but it's 720 only and I have no desire [TS]

01:01:09   to upgraded to a 1080 TV now granted I'm either very weird or very normal [TS]

01:01:15   depending on how you look at it but as soon as you go to lower sizes I think [TS]

01:01:20   Marquez dead on the it's it's a little bit challenging finance led tv [TS]

01:01:24   I don't want to look at small television I was I was disappointed that I couldn't [TS]

01:01:29   find a plasma that was smoke because of the plasma speaking of sizes to tell you [TS]

01:01:34   these this Panasonic LCDs into the news the smallest size it comes in is now 58 [TS]

01:01:40   were surprised that the small size my TV came as for the five now the small sizes [TS]

01:01:44   58 but they soon the small size 800 inches [TS]

01:01:47   yeah and and and the problem is I call these like really nice ones like the V [TS]

01:01:51   t60 [TS]

01:01:52   they only come a larger size and that those keep going up so late like one of [TS]

01:01:56   my TV like I have a really nice TV for when I bought it when it dies I'm gonna [TS]

01:02:00   have to either get a giant wall of TV which I don't want to look stiff would [TS]

01:02:04   kill me if I got what it would look also or get a crappy one I think they have to [TS]

01:02:10   be part of it is it's more expensive to mix with with the plans this in [TS]

01:02:14   particular like the reason you can make a fork a plasma is because then the [TS]

01:02:17   little tiny bits where the little you know particles are amid [TS]

01:02:22   didn't hit against the phosphorescent materials will have to be super duper [TS]

01:02:25   small and that's like a technical limitations probably could have done [TS]

01:02:28   that they want to invest tons and tons more money but they didn't say but yeah [TS]

01:02:32   as you can as a resolution goes up it's actually cheaper to make it that's why I [TS]

01:02:35   like 28 inch Dell for K [TS]

01:02:37   monitor the people want to talk about it's actually cheaper to make a high [TS]

01:02:41   resolution monitor bigwigs are you not to make the pixel so darn small and its [TS]

01:02:44   manufacturing all that stuff so I think I'm hoping that will take care of itself [TS]

01:02:49   but yeah when I'm shopping for television and movies shopping at the [TS]

01:02:52   high end and they're all big and they're all 1080 I guess way to as you get [TS]

01:02:56   smaller I am in a certain point you get a certain size you you know it becomes [TS]

01:03:00   like you can't see you can tell there 720 and 1080 and as I'm surprised no one [TS]

01:03:05   has said that Jeremy or maybe I missed it I think if you do the math 720p has [TS]

01:03:09   more pixels per second in 2005 but with all the processing that goes on in most [TS]

01:03:15   most broadcast television still 1080 P [TS]

01:03:20   came out of a case said about the source material like NFL games in four ka mean [TS]

01:03:24   the same thing but the movies with the digital cameras like and you know it was [TS]

01:03:28   that even for TV they would record TV on video too much higher quality than you [TS]

01:03:33   ever be able to broadcast that's you know that's par for the course of the [TS]

01:03:35   people out there [TS]

01:03:36   testing out the new format everything by the time for Cape makes its way down and [TS]

01:03:41   there's some story on the music is still exists that says 0024 ok transition is [TS]

01:03:47   coming [TS]

01:03:47   cable companies are turning off their old age D signaling that you can only [TS]

01:03:51   get four member that you know the whole transition from analog and all that [TS]

01:03:54   stuff like when we see that story and ten twenty years by that point everyone [TS]

01:03:58   but recording everything like a que hora bellman extender is so the content [TS]

01:04:02   producers are always help someone did the Madden said 1080 I had slightly more [TS]

01:04:07   pixels per second so I just I hope that somebody please tell me I hope this is [TS]

01:04:11   the case in the entire fork a standard is there any allowance and you wear for [TS]

01:04:17   interlaced anything cuz I hate interlacing so much in so many ways it [TS]

01:04:22   all the artifacts make sure horrible when UD interlaced progressive I hate [TS]

01:04:27   getting in at least DVDs and the moment when I ripped them they look bad [TS]

01:04:30   and and interlaced he got in releasing is the devil and the deep in the chat [TS]

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01:05:36   gigs you get paid a bucket for that it's really very very nice there's so many [TS]

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01:05:56   USU can even you can even give them your credentials and they will log into [TS]

01:06:00   Verizon and scrape your staff's off didn't tell you here's what you do over [TS]

01:06:04   the last you know X months and hear some of you to say disease which if you [TS]

01:06:07   switch the tank so really great they even had this deal where if you're stuck [TS]

01:06:12   in a contract he had to pay an early termination fee to get out of it they [TS]

01:06:16   will give you 25% of that fee back in service credit up to $75 so like however [TS]

01:06:22   King has great customer support with a no holds no weight phone number you just [TS]

01:06:26   call them Indian to 8 p.m. Eastern any human being picked up the phone [TS]

01:06:30   immediately who's there and ready to help you never had to call AT&T or [TS]

01:06:35   Verizon Wireless will think that's just voodoo magic it's impossible but he made [TS]

01:06:40   a possible [TS]

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01:06:53   about right now if you even have a Sprint iPhone four or four s you can [TS]

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01:07:00   ATP . king.com thanks a lot for sponsoring the show [TS]

01:07:04   helpful chat room is put in a link to an article showing the car spaces that rec [TS]

01:07:09   709 just the current HP color space and most TVs already go bigger than that and [TS]

01:07:14   they were showing how that's TV goes even bigger but there's also wreak 2020 [TS]

01:07:19   which is part of the four k UHD standard which is way bigger as much harder it's [TS]

01:07:24   not as big as like the you know the dynamic range of brightness that dolby [TS]

01:07:27   was showing off their crazy experimental water-cooled thing or whatever but show [TS]

01:07:31   that this was getting at before the 24 K brings more than just resolution for [TS]

01:07:35   Marco you know progressive scan mode only and and for me and a lot of the [TS]

01:07:40   people much higher framerates [TS]

01:07:42   rectangular pixel I have no idea if it for case though rectangular pixels or [TS]

01:07:47   has rectangular pixels it'll be there did too because my my old HDTV that was [TS]

01:07:53   a 4-3 CRT you didn't know existed but did exist that was possible because of [TS]

01:07:58   all these weird noises in the eighties back to his old stuff but for case is I [TS]

01:08:04   at least I hope it is taken that opportunity of dropping tons of legacy [TS]

01:08:09   crap like that and just going for now and future looking good technology [TS]

01:08:12   that's relatively simple and as for the 720p vs 1080p I again it depends on the [TS]

01:08:18   frame rate if you to 720p at 60 frames were standing at 8:30 you cannot do the [TS]

01:08:22   math yourself but as someone pointed out and chat room in the back to find where [TS]

01:08:26   it is but 720p I'm gonna get it right so I don't want to he was saying that 720p [TS]

01:08:31   has more temporal resolution as an emotion over time because it's not [TS]

01:08:35   interested obviously in 10 a TI has more spatial resolution so it depends on what [TS]

01:08:40   you want but that whole distinction with the InP and stuff you'll hopefully be [TS]

01:08:45   a relic of history me this is kind of one of the reasons in favor of for cake [TS]

01:08:49   you know and you know in case conner is a lot of the legacy crap left over from [TS]

01:08:54   the bad old 98 she did they still infects the HTC standards yes detects I [TS]

01:08:59   know I just couldn't find your line I couldn't find it was gonna read it [TS]

01:09:02   anyway making making for k like what makes porque inevitable is that it [TS]

01:09:10   actually does get rid of a lot of the annoying crap and a lot of the details [TS]

01:09:14   that people do need to care about the didn't care about interlaced vs [TS]

01:09:17   progressive they don't you know they don't care about all these details of [TS]

01:09:20   color spaces and stuff that they can make it so that it looks better to [TS]

01:09:23   people and so they have a reason to view it like if you go over your friends [TS]

01:09:26   house and you watch NFL and forecast higher frame rate and you notice that's [TS]

01:09:30   different you're going to want that because now this content that you're [TS]

01:09:33   interested in and if panel makers you know for cages becomes well like it's [TS]

01:09:37   actually cheaper now to make us for Cape house and all the factories ramped up on [TS]

01:09:41   her ever it may be inevitable but I still think it'll take a long time [TS]

01:09:45   before cable companies start broadcasting porque for anything except [TS]

01:09:49   for a few special you know like content is still going to be 1080 I know that [TS]

01:09:53   the cheap shows for a long long long time and even in the forecast channels [TS]

01:09:57   of the first person says everyone every piece for broadcasters porque some of [TS]

01:10:02   those channels look awful because they're like some of the channels look [TS]

01:10:05   awful today at NAB I because they're just super over compressed in gross [TS]

01:10:08   talked about a lot of feedback fly through regarding steam boxes and when [TS]

01:10:17   John was lamenting having to buy a PC just four games I saw a few people say [TS]

01:10:24   well why not get a steam box so john why not [TS]

01:10:27   well first so let's just assume that somebody not me but that but that that a [TS]

01:10:33   friend of mine has no clue esteem boxes and has been following this could you [TS]

01:10:37   maybe explain what it is first I could but I'll do a terrible job of it because [TS]

01:10:41   I don't really believe in games [TS]

01:10:43   John you believe in them or not by explaining steam box it's hard to [TS]

01:10:49   explain without revealing my views on it but anyway now that was a company that [TS]

01:10:54   start off making [TS]

01:10:55   aims and like many other good companies they realize that there's more to their [TS]

01:11:00   the market they were in the just making games they also made a digital [TS]

01:11:04   distribution platform which sounds like outside of their core competency hey you [TS]

01:11:07   just make great games will be making digital distribution platform for what [TS]

01:11:11   they are making it because that's the future of gaming and they saw before [TS]

01:11:13   everyone else they spent a long time working on their their digital [TS]

01:11:16   distribution thing called stand which if you're not familiar with this type of [TS]

01:11:20   thing it's it's like the App Store for games you don't have to go to the store [TS]

01:11:22   and buy disc you just log onto something and downloaded in the game goes right on [TS]

01:11:26   your computer [TS]

01:11:27   team is available for the Mac leave notes are on the PC and it's a great way [TS]

01:11:31   to buy games from the same reasons that the app stores are great way for [TS]

01:11:34   consumers to buy apps because he wants to the store and get a stupid desk stand [TS]

01:11:39   boxes valves next step in this process which is why don't we make hardware as [TS]

01:11:44   well because not everyone has or wants to make a PC that can play games we will [TS]

01:11:50   I guess they're setting some kind of standard or whatever you want to make a [TS]

01:11:53   steam box it's basically like a little PC that comes pre-configured to connect [TS]

01:11:58   to steam and it comes a little control if you want or you can use like an Xbox [TS]

01:12:01   360 controller or whatever and it's sort of a turnkey way for you to get a gaming [TS]

01:12:06   PC to play games from Steam and people are suggesting steam box to me I'm not [TS]

01:12:12   quite sure where they were suggesting it or they were just asked me what I [TS]

01:12:15   thought of it but I think a lot of the coverage pinpoints the reasons to be [TS]

01:12:19   skeptical about it skeptical about it although those reasons may not end up [TS]

01:12:22   mattering in the end the reasons I'm not all that interested in a steam boxes [TS]

01:12:28   because as many of the stories have said it does less than a PC for a similar [TS]

01:12:33   price I mean it's just a PC like it's got its PC hardware PC video cards and a [TS]

01:12:38   PC box like that's all it is is just sort of pre-configured and certified to [TS]

01:12:43   work in this thing and they vary wildly get super cheap ones that are like a [TS]

01:12:46   super cheap PC unit super expensive ones that are like a super expensive PC and I [TS]

01:12:50   imagine as many people now the most useful thing you can do it this is a [TS]

01:12:54   reboot into Windows because the steam box runs Linux by the way which keeps [TS]

01:12:58   rebooting into Windows then you have a gaming PC one just by gaming PC gaming [TS]

01:13:03   PC buying well-known nerds don't want to buy a magazine don't know anything about [TS]

01:13:07   them so [TS]

01:13:07   this feature that people think it's silly so what it comes pre-configured to [TS]

01:13:13   connect to steam and runs free OS and Windows who cares [TS]

01:13:16   like I don't care about that I know how to install software I know how to do [TS]

01:13:19   this like just the mere fact that you can buy something called the steam box [TS]

01:13:22   and had some sort of guarantees about the experience I guarantees like this [TS]

01:13:27   they do very well but if valve can manage the expectations but you know I [TS]

01:13:32   don't want to get into PC gaming but my friend got a steam box and seems to be [TS]

01:13:35   fewer problems I'll get one of those is kind of like I don't know anything about [TS]

01:13:40   digital music but my friend got one of those iPod things and he's able to [TS]

01:13:44   listen to music digitally so I'm gonna try that there is an ominous a team has [TS]

01:13:50   steam box has no chance they're trying to thread a pretty narrow thread the [TS]

01:13:56   needle here between the world of game consoles which is you know fixed [TS]

01:14:00   hardware doesn't change over time he's even develop against because developers [TS]

01:14:03   know what everybody has plus or minus a couple of accessories and on the other [TS]

01:14:07   side of the spectrum full-fledged game PCs they're thinking there's something [TS]

01:14:10   in the middle there where we can get you something is better than a console [TS]

01:14:15   because you can spend more money and get a faster experience and upgraded [TS]

01:14:19   overtime in part or in whole and you know have access to all these games we [TS]

01:14:24   have available on Steam but it's not as complicated as again BC I'm not sure if [TS]

01:14:28   there is that little narrow valley between those two things is going to [TS]

01:14:31   work for them but it could very well be that the people who make gaming PCs will [TS]

01:14:36   slowly become smaller and smaller smaller answered window and I doubt it [TS]

01:14:40   will turn out that most of the people playing PC games actually weren't [TS]

01:14:43   interested in building a gaming PCs actually weren't interested in [TS]

01:14:46   maintaining gaming PCs and this could really be a sort of a back-door way to [TS]

01:14:50   remake the PC industry for people who play games anyway to be more like you [TS]

01:14:56   know the iOS device industry where people aren't interested in taking them [TS]

01:15:00   they just want to get them down from them and use them so I'm not quite sure [TS]

01:15:05   how this is going to turn out but for me as someone to you know not that I'd be [TS]

01:15:11   interested in taking things but I would be able to if I want to if I wanted to [TS]

01:15:14   get a gaming PC I would build again BC I don't want one but if I did the things [TS]

01:15:19   stopping it would be like I wish someone do all this work for people to go [TS]

01:15:23   anywhere and punch buttons and get a super expensive gaming PC and you can [TS]

01:15:27   build a better one half the money if you want to but if you don't want to you [TS]

01:15:30   know it's the same time they also will say I enjoyed playing games from Steam [TS]

01:15:34   on my Mac I enjoy playing them games from Steam on my Mac with boot into [TS]

01:15:38   windows when it's about it pretends its gaming PC I like anyone computer does [TS]

01:15:42   both of those things I also really like game consoles so I'm probably not the [TS]

01:15:46   target market of the steam box but there's a lot of noise about them and [TS]

01:15:51   wait a year and see how well all those different vendors who are feeling steel [TS]

01:15:55   boxes feel about their contribution to that spot for you kind of surprised that [TS]

01:16:00   anybody thinks there's going to be a market for more than one of these things [TS]

01:16:03   like why is it a category and not just one box there is one box of a game [TS]

01:16:08   console well isn't it kind of it's kind of a game console for steam PC games [TS]

01:16:14   like i mean but they wanted to have some of the advantages of gaming PCs in one [TS]

01:16:19   of those advantages is its not the same hardware for everybody [TS]

01:16:22   it change every year you can get a new faster better one that makes the games [TS]

01:16:26   prettier and that's not true consoles that's true I sent it to the threading a [TS]

01:16:31   needle this I don't have much room there is between between the gaming PC and the [TS]

01:16:35   game console could be the description from above or below depending on how you [TS]

01:16:38   drive this diagram by the consoles and just the entire world to PC gaming it's [TS]

01:16:42   quicker way there could be they get squished by real PC gaming it turns out [TS]

01:16:46   the only people left who aren't just exquisite playing consoles really want a [TS]

01:16:49   full fledged gaming PC 901 the steam box I don't think it's entirely crazy I [TS]

01:16:54   think it is smart for Val to get into hardware because they've shown that they [TS]

01:16:57   understand that like there's more to the world and what they're currently doing [TS]

01:17:00   and steam was it was a great idea a smashing success and they continue to [TS]

01:17:03   also make great games on top of that if they can also make great hardware that's [TS]

01:17:07   popular more power to him but having third parties do it for you kind of like [TS]

01:17:13   the Windows Phone strategy ecosystem of compatible hardware and I don't know [TS]

01:17:18   what do you think it's a problem I am I correct that that the steam boxes all [TS]

01:17:24   have gamepad controller types and not like keyboard mouse kinda schemes that's [TS]

01:17:29   another problem [TS]

01:17:30   like they control that they have is interesting and it's trying to make up [TS]

01:17:34   for the fact that you don't have a keyboard and mouse and a lot of again a [TS]

01:17:37   lot of the people who play PC games maybe they like mouse and keyboard and [TS]

01:17:42   if you take that away maybe they're not interested anymore but maybe they [TS]

01:17:45   weren't really went to mouse and keyboard maybe they just wanted [TS]

01:17:48   something that lets play first person shooters and if you give them a better [TS]

01:17:50   first person shooter I don't know this is all dissolved experiment you know and [TS]

01:17:55   that's kind of what I now must like the fact that they're not the ones sort of [TS]

01:17:58   during the experiment you guys make the hardware and the software is not easy [TS]

01:18:03   either i mean i i think i think that the input and and like monitor class like [TS]

01:18:09   how far you sit and the input devices you use I think that will sync this [TS]

01:18:13   thing because I think if you want to play first person shooter using the [TS]

01:18:17   gamepad on a TV about a game console they're probably gonna be better at it [TS]

01:18:20   and they're cheaper and they're better managing their more popular and [TS]

01:18:23   everything else [TS]

01:18:24   their mapping their control scheme to keyboard and mouse like that little [TS]

01:18:27   piece in the controller looks like two big flat out of touch pad areas one of [TS]

01:18:31   them is the mouse and one of them is WASD basically like the parole for a [TS]

01:18:37   legacy games you have to go to play you know half-life 2 portal and all that [TS]

01:18:40   stuff like you have to be able to make a legacy games work otherwise how can you [TS]

01:18:43   get a steam box and access is your games in theory in the future games come out [TS]

01:18:47   with that controller mind it becomes popular but they have to have a support [TS]

01:18:50   the old games and that's what they're trying to do and supposedly it works [TS]

01:18:54   better than using like an Xbox 360 controller if you're playing [TS]

01:18:57   first-person shooters it's more like a keyboard and mouse but I don't know if [TS]

01:19:01   like I know if it's gonna be worthwhile I don't know who is the customer for [TS]

01:19:06   these damn boxes there sure are a lot of them this year coming a lot of different [TS]

01:19:09   sizes and shapes and price points and PC gamers really do love stayin but I'm not [TS]

01:19:14   sure what their prospects are looking at this control I just looked it up it [TS]

01:19:17   first of all looks ridiculous but I mean like and I am really out of touch with [TS]

01:19:22   this stuff because I haven't been heavily in two games in a while but when [TS]

01:19:26   I was heavily into games I loved PC games and I really didn't get the [TS]

01:19:30   maximum out of console games because I loved the kind of game is that just work [TS]

01:19:36   a lot better with keyboard mouse and big money big highres monitoring for your [TS]

01:19:39   face like our DS's [TS]

01:19:41   builders like simpson's like not only do I love that kind of game more but even [TS]

01:19:46   for the kind of games that work on both I just like having a mouse better than a [TS]

01:19:51   gamepad and I was always and maybe it was better at it with the message is [TS]

01:19:55   more precise with the mouse and playing even playing shooters on gamepad like it [TS]

01:19:59   always felt like yeah I'm glad you liked set up a land of my friends or anything [TS]

01:20:03   but I'm not enjoying it as much you know and like if you like and by the way and [TS]

01:20:09   I did love bill amount PCs and if I was gonna go back to being a PC gamer being [TS]

01:20:16   a PC gamer takes a long time investment just to manage all the software crap you [TS]

01:20:21   have to deal with and the steam box will will of course a lot of that in theory [TS]

01:20:24   but if you're already gonna devoted much time into this ha because you love it so [TS]

01:20:30   much you probably are very likely to also want to build your own computer or [TS]

01:20:34   like I think the the market for people who are going to want to buy a premade [TS]

01:20:39   gaming PC that they had no part in building and that they might not be able [TS]

01:20:43   to upgrade very easily if at all to play games on a TV that aren't console games [TS]

01:20:48   on a kind of console controller that is not a keyboard and mouse so many big [TS]

01:20:54   leads here that I think are just leaving right out of the market [TS]

01:20:57   well there's another strategic reason that felt kind of has to do this to sort [TS]

01:21:01   of protect itself and its that Microsoft has been less and less interested in [TS]

01:21:05   making windows a hospitable environment for gaming and if you look at do you [TS]

01:21:10   know the business I'm sure there's a lot of games too but mostly selling [TS]

01:21:14   quote-unquote PC games and so the the part of Team boxes may be the least [TS]

01:21:18   interesting to consumers may be the most interesting rival's perspective which is [TS]

01:21:22   we need to sell our games on linux or that we have some control over to get [TS]

01:21:27   away from windows because like you know has whined about Windows 8 not being [TS]

01:21:32   particularly hospitable four games in the early going and like just in general [TS]

01:21:35   to be fair when it is particularly inhospitable for everybody so like if if [TS]

01:21:42   all that comes out of this is the boxes total flop but a huge portion of games [TS]

01:21:46   available on Steam run on like it maybe they don't call the steam box anymore [TS]

01:21:50   but if you mostly use your PC for gaming [TS]

01:21:53   valve can say oh when you play our games you should play them like in the steam [TS]

01:21:59   OS whatever they call the Linux thing that they're going to use their it's [TS]

01:22:02   kind of a hedge against like our future shouldn't depend on Microsoft because [TS]

01:22:06   Microsoft cares about Xbox one you know gaming they care [TS]

01:22:11   slightly less about windows and who knows with Microsoft's new CEO search [TS]

01:22:14   what kind of direction the company will be taken in this is probably a smart [TS]

01:22:18   hedged just to say we should really look into if we're going to be a platform [TS]

01:22:22   research looking into having more control and not being beholden to [TS]

01:22:26   Microsoft or so much for our business because certainly something is not [TS]

01:22:29   beholden to Microsoft for its gaming business right and you know after the [TS]

01:22:33   buildings anywhere else and so on so I think it's a wise strategic move about [TS]

01:22:37   to be doing this and I think it matters less whether this team boxes competes [TS]

01:22:42   with game consoles or anything it just like it's kind of like Steam itself the [TS]

01:22:46   payoff will be many many years now and it may not be the same pay off today [TS]

01:22:49   expected but it's worth doing it [TS]

01:22:51   Marco I'd like to ask you guys about some of your past experiences but before [TS]

01:22:57   we do that would you call moon base commander I know would you tell me about [TS]

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01:24:54   something a minute ago about how you don't have to set up your own network [TS]

01:24:58   and it just made me remember so there when I was a kid I used to play quite a [TS]

01:25:03   lot of games and and both all of them intend to consoles and many many many PC [TS]

01:25:08   games and i was just curious if you guys had the hilarious experiences of having [TS]

01:25:14   your friends over where they would bring their many towers and their CRT monitors [TS]

01:25:19   that way two thousand pounds and you're in like 6th or 7th grade at the time [TS]

01:25:23   they can barely lift them on your own and you would get like these forty-foot [TS]

01:25:27   no modem cables and string them together and play wolf 3d or doom against each [TS]

01:25:32   other or whatever the case may be I I just gotta have such fond memories of [TS]

01:25:36   that I was curious if i was little if I was the only one [TS]

01:25:39   yeah it was a nightmare I mean part of the fun of being a high school kid and [TS]

01:25:43   and trying to hang out with Mikey Trenton set up some kind of land at [TS]

01:25:47   somebody's house to play total annihilation which is all I did in high [TS]

01:25:51   school to be pretty pretty good experience but [TS]

01:25:54   it was funny because this is kind of a model for a lot of PC gaming it's a [TS]

01:26:02   common result of all PC gaming is like you have to deal with so much crap to [TS]

01:26:07   set it up and you know ours this is like a lot of physical moving stuff around [TS]

01:26:11   physical plugging stuff and figure out oh god why why does this network cable [TS]

01:26:15   that we just made yesterday and we have never killed before was just all the [TS]

01:26:18   sudden not work or why you know I can your computer see the other three but [TS]

01:26:23   then one of them can see you and all cod you didn't install the map or like you [TS]

01:26:29   start to get all into the game you're always one guy doesn't have the newest [TS]

01:26:32   patch so half the units are disabled [TS]

01:26:34   you know there's it was a whole bunch of crap it was a whole bunch of of [TS]

01:26:38   time-wasting crap system administration stuff rebooting installing patches [TS]

01:26:42   install new version of the game installing new maps getting everything [TS]

01:26:45   it was such a nightmare that like we would we would start drinking and all [TS]

01:26:50   these computers were like our computers are a family's computer so we couldn't [TS]

01:26:54   really leave them there for the next week or anything like that we would like [TS]

01:26:59   every weekend [TS]

01:27:00   me and a couple of friends would bring all their computers over to one of the [TS]

01:27:04   two houses that had network switches because I like to the house had to [TS]

01:27:08   computers the parents like head to computer so you know we'd go to the [TS]

01:27:11   country on those houses plugin try to figure everything out we wouldn't even [TS]

01:27:15   start playing until 12 or one of the morning [TS]

01:27:19   yeah oh yeah like the button again actually launches you're actually in it [TS]

01:27:23   it would be when I am because we would we would have started setting up at [TS]

01:27:26   eight and you know it installing patches and crap until then and that's this is [TS]

01:27:31   this is the view of PC gaming they still have because I didn't play a lot of [TS]

01:27:35   games after mid college or so they just kind of ran a time and then after [TS]

01:27:40   college I got a job and enough time then my friends were in different places [TS]

01:27:43   kinda fell out of gaming but his PC gaming I mean obviously nowadays you can [TS]

01:27:49   bring over LCDs or at a laptop with be amazing I mean we all had a home built [TS]

01:27:56   desktop with like 19 inch CRT monitors so it was it was quite an ordeal these [TS]

01:28:02   days I imagine it's a lot better but I bet you still have a lot of that [TS]

01:28:06   software crap to deal with is that still the case [TS]

01:28:08   it's not as bad as as certainly as bad as it used to be and for the most part [TS]

01:28:13   if you're lucky and have some minimum amount of knowledge you can get a [TS]

01:28:17   similar experience that is what people are getting these days on their PCs you [TS]

01:28:21   get a headset mic you get the internet for your networking problems everyone [TS]

01:28:25   has their on-screen you're not always going the same place but it's close ish [TS]

01:28:28   people stop LAN parties like the pacs you know conference they have a giant [TS]

01:28:33   land room or you can bring your own PC or use them on there and they still do [TS]

01:28:37   that when I see people on the giant land rooms at conventions and stuff is just [TS]

01:28:41   you know row after a people sitting at PC is looking at this screen is wearing [TS]

01:28:44   headset mics I think how important is it to these people are on the same room and [TS]

01:28:48   is not as important as it was when you're in your friends are on the same [TS]

01:28:51   room because the technology like it's not just you the screen the master [TS]

01:28:54   keyboard and headset mic and the fact that the guy yelling at us for seats [TS]

01:28:57   away means nothing because you never even look at maybe in smaller atmosphere [TS]

01:29:01   is more important but I think for the most part to the Internet and technology [TS]

01:29:05   has come to make most of that an important one thing that the younger [TS]

01:29:09   people I remember is that the original Xbox you can bring out over someone's [TS]

01:29:13   house can look it up and play Halo [TS]

01:29:16   multi-room multiplayer halo experience and that's what I think was the may be [TS]

01:29:20   the last thing to be loved from house to house original Xboxes but nowadays no [TS]

01:29:25   one likes their consoles I think they basically keep in their house and use [TS]

01:29:28   the magic of the Internet to that stuff it's it's it's funny to me because [TS]

01:29:32   channeling my inner bitter old man like we were talking about last episode yeah [TS]

01:29:37   I just remember so vividly the the pain of finding a null modem cable which [TS]

01:29:42   looked in many ways like a serial cable but different and then had to string [TS]

01:29:47   them together and then you had to set up everyone in the same like really really [TS]

01:29:50   hot room because no matter what how big the room was and how good the air [TS]

01:29:55   conditioning was when you put all of these humongous machines at these CRT [TS]

01:30:00   that weren't exactly cool either and you put them on this little room with all [TS]

01:30:04   these teenage dudes at probably don't have the best hygiene anyway and then [TS]

01:30:07   you sit there need to read those and Mountain Dew for hours and in just [TS]

01:30:12   playing these games like doom and whatnot [TS]

01:30:15   when you when you can scream and yell at each other and you're right next to each [TS]

01:30:18   other [TS]

01:30:18   and then I remembered as somebody mentioned the chat and one of my [TS]

01:30:21   all-time favorites was plain to send and the first to sin and you're playing that [TS]

01:30:26   not only against your friends and but locally but also playing it via modem [TS]

01:30:33   directly between two friends and then eventually when Kali Kali or whatever it [TS]

01:30:38   was called came out in India would let it would masquerade it would let the [TS]

01:30:44   internet internet masquerade as an IPX network which is all that most of these [TS]

01:30:48   games supported at the time and I got it was so much fun and it was so it was [TS]

01:30:53   such a defining part of my childhood like between that and all of the [TS]

01:30:58   Nintendo consoles I know I i jokingly begrudge did as recently as earlier this [TS]

01:31:02   episode the whole game thing but got it was such a big part of my my upbringing [TS]

01:31:06   in my childhood I spent so much time playing these games and it's just so [TS]

01:31:12   weird to me like not to get all I have happened I don't know I just like I [TS]

01:31:17   don't mean this to be dismissive but I guess I just grew out of it like it just [TS]

01:31:20   wasn't a priority to me anymore and I can't even remember the last game that i [TS]

01:31:25   played that I was really really into I guess maybe Metal Gear Solid on the [TS]

01:31:30   original PlayStation and it was probably not the first Metal Gear Solid either [TS]

01:31:34   when PlayStation 3 is a $99 and a couple years I'll send you on a journey you're [TS]

01:31:42   not gonna leave me alone and I believe anybody alone Marco you still in your [TS]

01:31:46   schedule to yeah it was Marco schedule whenever the hell markets around your [TS]

01:31:53   schedule like most things in his life [TS]

01:31:56   it's very different these days that you know networking is ubiquitous or if not [TS]

01:32:03   ubiquitous darn near ubiquitous and and it's such a far cry from what we had to [TS]

01:32:08   deal with in and I'm not saying that to make it sound like I walked uphill both [TS]

01:32:11   ways it's not at all the point it's just it's surprising to me how much [TS]

01:32:15   technology has changed in so little time where our children will not have any of [TS]

01:32:21   these woes that we have like I remember to connect to the internet originally [TS]

01:32:25   my dad and I spent literally a couple of weeks trying to figure out I believe not [TS]

01:32:31   only the modem initialization string or whatever you called it the eighty [TS]

01:32:34   whatever whatever whatever strength but then also the corrects it slept IP [TS]

01:32:41   script to figure out the correct slips trips right now probably told the story [TS]

01:32:47   before and I'm sorry but my goodness it was such pain and and and when we [TS]

01:32:52   finally got it was such a said set a sense of accomplishment and and it's [TS]

01:32:57   just it's not the same anymore nothing in your kids these days of different [TS]

01:33:00   issues that they have to overcome like windows behind nevertheless it's just so [TS]

01:33:05   funny to me how different things are today I mean ultimately it's better [TS]

01:33:10   today I mean like yeah but you know I well thanks like two or three sponsor [TS]

01:33:14   this week [TS]

01:33:15   fracture king and Squarespace and we'll see you next week now that show they [TS]

01:33:23   didn't even mean to begin [TS]

01:33:26   it was accidental [TS]

01:33:36   does it was accidental and you can find the show and a phone call [TS]

01:34:20   I disagree with with something that jon said a few minutes back which is about [TS]

01:34:25   how how network play kind of replaced in person play i I don't think it's [TS]

01:34:31   anywhere near the same thing and the headset and the constant voice chat does [TS]

01:34:35   improve things a lot but I know there's there's something about you know just [TS]

01:34:40   being in the same room or being like in the next room over from the people who [TS]

01:34:45   were who you're playing against and when you start marching into their base and [TS]

01:34:48   you you can like hear them swear and get and get all upset about it or like like [TS]

01:34:53   we had a rule during our land games for total annihilation we had a rule that [TS]

01:34:56   you were not allowed to mute the sound or wear headphones you had to use [TS]

01:35:01   audible sound you can turn down there had to be audible and so you could like [TS]

01:35:07   there was even strategy and that like be careful what you click because the other [TS]

01:35:10   person might hear you click on a big unit makes a certain sound all know you [TS]

01:35:13   have one or so there's all these little factors you could you could a dinner [TS]

01:35:18   that or that just happened that made it more interesting more rich experience to [TS]

01:35:23   be in the same room as people and be playing with people as opposed to get [TS]

01:35:27   everyone on the same server together you know and and I think I think looking at [TS]

01:35:32   that what probably really killed the LAN party as being a thing besides how [TS]

01:35:36   incredibly expensive and complicated and time consuming it was was the N 64 [TS]

01:35:43   getting four players that like the n64 came out at roughly the same time that [TS]

01:35:49   we were doing all this stuff and a little before but it really came into [TS]

01:35:53   its own by that time so like we were faced with alright well what do you [TS]

01:35:57   wanna do time do you wanna all bring your computers over and dick around with [TS]

01:36:00   Windows for two hours or do you want to just come over and play Goldeneye and [TS]

01:36:06   it's already here and Mario Kart Wii U two guys bring controllers will only [TS]

01:36:11   have to otherwise you know I get it was like my feelings in person playing of of [TS]

01:36:18   four-player good and 64 and forward games I think that really didn't warrant [TS]

01:36:23   a LAN party I didn't say that it was the same but it did replace it and the same [TS]

01:36:28   way that when you went from what replace their land parties were replaced it [TS]

01:36:32   four players Christine four players quit split screen is not the same because [TS]

01:36:35   everybody can see everybody else's screen but it did replace it so like I [TS]

01:36:39   said if you look at how are people doing most of their multiplayer gaming it used [TS]

01:36:42   to be that the super hardcore gamers were having LAN parties nowadays the [TS]

01:36:46   super hardcore Land Park gamers are sitting in front of a screen with a [TS]

01:36:49   headset on so we replaced it and like I was thinking of the in person thing like [TS]

01:36:53   the places where land party still exist like a convention is often when I see [TS]

01:36:56   people playing it giant LAN party conventions they're playing at the LAN [TS]

01:37:00   party the same way they play at home which is headphones on headset on [TS]

01:37:03   staring at the screen in front of them which is not you know it's not the same [TS]

01:37:07   here right but that's that is what has replaced like those other aspects that [TS]

01:37:11   were different [TS]

01:37:12   were deemed not as important as the aspects that they liked us like when you [TS]

01:37:15   went to four players but it's going to split screen goldeneye the aspects that [TS]

01:37:19   you are missing having private streams were a significant but we're not the [TS]

01:37:23   most important thing most important thing is you're having fun with your [TS]

01:37:25   friends and for most people the inconvenience of traveling to the to be [TS]

01:37:30   the same place like one of the scheduling you know getting everybody [TS]

01:37:34   when they're all free at the same time and can travel to someone's house to sit [TS]

01:37:39   on their couch together to play a game even when you've eliminated a land party [TS]

01:37:42   stuff it's hard to do that is to pay when dinner is done and the kids are in [TS]

01:37:48   bed let me just wander into my computer room and everyone get online the same [TS]

01:37:51   way we do a podcast get online at nine o'clock and that works out you know so [TS]

01:37:55   it is definitely different and there are aspects that are not as good and you're [TS]

01:37:59   missing things but convince wins out eventually and that's true but to me [TS]

01:38:04   some of my favorite memories of doing these quote-unquote LAN parties or no [TS]

01:38:09   modem party's gonna call them was if not the whooping and hollering that happened [TS]

01:38:14   during the games I've marco was describing but man the trash talk [TS]

01:38:17   afterwards like after a session or a game around or whatever was over when [TS]

01:38:22   you would just kill happily fun getting each others faces and start screaming [TS]

01:38:27   and yelling at all I can't believe you did that you would say and I totally [TS]

01:38:30   slaughtered you on that level of noxious but that was the most fun in the world [TS]

01:38:36   and and that just don't see and it's hard for me to say can only play games [TS]

01:38:41   that much anymore but I don't see that [TS]

01:38:42   happening at a LAN party or special II if you're not co-located I'm pretty sure [TS]

01:38:49   trash talk still works over headset mic someone to play someone who plays video [TS]

01:38:52   games can confirm to me that perhaps still is that thing on the internet you [TS]

01:38:56   know what I mean I'm pretty sure trash talk is the only thing that goes over [TS]

01:38:59   headset mics that's true I was trying to do like a verbal sarcasm tax because [TS]

01:39:05   sometimes people don't catch it like when when I said the Mac Mini has a Core [TS]

01:39:08   2 Duo and corrected me as I was serious that was sarcasm folks we invented in [TS]

01:39:14   New York where everything is good for the best we we've mister Ohio [TS]

01:39:24   you left so it's more important to be from there then John where we can say [TS]

01:39:34   what state New York and would you ask me [TS]

01:39:39   Virginia and Connecticut under know some crazy state New York John New York how [TS]

01:39:45   long were you in New York at least a few minutes of your formative years there [TS]

01:39:48   the thing that the thing that mold you into the man that you are your formative [TS]

01:39:52   years the calls formative for a reason why did you spend those years so well [TS]

01:39:56   not new york so I 0 through like 24 Montgomery New York then we bounced [TS]

01:40:04   around for a little bit when I was really young kid in kindergarten through [TS]

01:40:08   second grade I believe it was I was in Carmel New York and New York not New [TS]

01:40:15   York come upstate up it's not out of state my god it's basically Canada [TS]

01:40:20   market like an hour and a half from new york city it is not that upstate you can [TS]

01:40:28   get very pretty out there in an hour and a half from new york city you can get an [TS]

01:40:32   hour and a half from New York City not be upstate is by going east into the [TS]

01:40:37   ocean over Long Island [TS]

01:40:39   as bridges and tunnels traffic and wine what they actually that I wanted to to [TS]

01:40:46   mention here only if you're talking about as LAN party in PC gaming crap is [TS]

01:40:51   that so one of the like four core guys that that I had to land parties with is [TS]

01:40:56   getting married the spring and as part of the bachelor party we're renting a [TS]

01:41:00   house somewhere for the weekend and we want to play LAN games again so I think [TS]

01:41:05   we're gonna do to to have this done is it cuz we don't wanna play new games [TS]

01:41:10   wanna play total annihilation and you know maybe supreme commander at the [TS]

01:41:13   newest which has came out late 2004 something so they're not new games by [TS]

01:41:18   any stretch and so what I'm thinking is thinking of configuring cause I don't [TS]

01:41:25   want to have to spend a whole weekend downloading stuff of a god knows what [TS]

01:41:28   connection and configuring stuff there that's that's not a good use of a [TS]

01:41:31   weekend in a big house so stinking tekserve will rent you MacBook Pros like [TS]

01:41:38   body day or by the week and for pretty reasonable price was thinking I could [TS]

01:41:42   just like rent like six MacBook Pros and having a pre-configured parallels avian [TS]

01:41:49   that I could just today I would set up beforehand and just copied all them and [TS]

01:41:56   played out wait is that is that plausible you think you could try try [TS]

01:41:59   boxer boxer no no these are no it's unfortunate either Windows games like [TS]

01:42:05   like to isolation is like a Windows 98 era game but it works on Windows doesn't [TS]

01:42:10   run and us know and and supreme commander is like a DirectX 9 game it's [TS]

01:42:15   pretty relatively recent it's 10 years old but relatively recent righteous but [TS]

01:42:21   the the macro present the windows cause I don't know how I think that that might [TS]

01:42:27   take too long to like to get to get a real bootcamp partition I guess I could [TS]

01:42:31   like images somehow I know how to do that though [TS]

01:42:35   there's this imaging prices anyway things you probably aren't up [TS]

01:42:41   fertilization any one of the things that were unreasonably heavy industry and try [TS]

01:42:46   to on your Mac Pro to see if it can if it does sign in and where ya and to [TS]

01:42:51   enter the chat people the reason I don't just get Windows machines because I just [TS]

01:42:56   want I want to like have all the setup before I rent the computers and before I [TS]

01:43:00   get there have a V I'm sort of like you just copied over and be and be done with [TS]

01:43:04   it not spent hours and hours and hours making this work I predict that no [TS]

01:43:09   matter what you do to prepare for this part of the LAN party springs will be [TS]

01:43:13   preserved and that will be the part of you dicking around the computer so glad [TS]

01:43:19   that that shouldn't be a failure that should be considered part of the success [TS]

01:43:22   you know I've tried to get so back into games like so many times there's a [TS]

01:43:27   greater the podcast called up three moves ahead and it's like a strategy [TS]

01:43:31   gaming podcast also like a lot of good stuff just about people they have the [TS]

01:43:35   chemistry this was interesting show but I get right into that and I listened to [TS]

01:43:40   the episode about ancient game that I'm aware of but all the ones about new [TS]

01:43:43   games I don't know what the heck they're talking about and it's like the whole [TS]

01:43:47   world that habit has moved on for like 10 years since I stopped paying [TS]

01:43:52   attention to it and I i feel like i cant get back into it now I'm excited to play [TS]

01:43:58   games with my ancient friends in this one occasion I'm excited about that but [TS]

01:44:04   like i dont wanna play total isolation against range on the Internet today [TS]

01:44:08   well you have you can look at the good way in the bed with a bad way as the [TS]

01:44:12   you're missing out on all these great games and you are missing out on the [TS]

01:44:15   good way is that by being ignorant for so long in your future somewhere Eliza [TS]

01:44:20   time when you're going to to somehow StumbleUpon define yourself playing a [TS]

01:44:25   modern game and you're going to be like oh my god I didn't know when did this [TS]

01:44:29   happen two games will be in July gonna happen to me with console games cause I [TS]

01:44:32   didn't I never own game consoles my parents didn't let me have one and I [TS]

01:44:37   stopped kind of playing them over my friends house once I really got into [TS]

01:44:39   computers with that sort of dominated my life and I like around the SNES era kind [TS]

01:44:44   of faded away from consoles and the next time I paid any attention all consoles [TS]

01:44:48   as when I saw my cousins Nintendo 64 Mariners it apart like oh my god when [TS]

01:44:52   did this happen it's not like I hadn't seen 3d graphics before I grew up [TS]

01:44:55   playing quake with new cards or whatever or friends house but seeing again [TS]

01:44:59   console with analog second seeing Mary 64 which is like a shock to my system [TS]

01:45:03   and totally brought me back to console game and it also helped that point I was [TS]

01:45:06   old enough to buy my own so where you will have your marriage 64 moment and [TS]

01:45:11   you will probably get back into it but in the meantime you should use my [TS]

01:45:13   strategy with cars because I'm never driver you know with the exception of [TS]

01:45:18   seeing here in five see any cars real-life have anything to do with them [TS]

01:45:21   but I've been reading car magazine since I was like 10 years old by continuously [TS]

01:45:26   so despite the fact that I didn't own any cars and so many many years now I've [TS]

01:45:31   only had a couple of cars in my entire life I still feel like I'm in the car [TS]

01:45:34   seeing just by reading magazines every month for my entire adult and half of [TS]

01:45:41   child life so you could have been doing that if you really cared I mean I kind [TS]

01:45:44   of do too I read all the game I read the gaming news there in the game console [TS]

01:45:48   magazines and grant I have like five consoles like the TV but I don't have [TS]

01:45:52   all of them and no play all the PC games but I'm aware of them so it's kind of [TS]

01:45:55   like a you know what what point is that reading car magazines about cars you [TS]

01:46:00   never going on what point is it really gay magazines about games never gonna [TS]

01:46:03   play both kind of the same thing I do both I'm hearing you say if I remove [TS]

01:46:08   made me remember as I'm getting on this nostalgic kick that one 3d card that we [TS]

01:46:13   had a thing as the first one we got where it would take this short little [TS]

01:46:17   study cable in tin plugged into the VGA out of your actual video card and then [TS]

01:46:22   plug it into a VGA and on the 3d daughter card and then the VGA out that [TS]

01:46:28   goes to monitor was on that 3d daughter card goodness it was so terrible you [TS]

01:46:33   know the crappy old days due to my first good 3223 because I think the first one [TS]

01:46:40   that was all integrated and didn't have that stupid hack I remember back in the [TS]

01:46:44   day when I when I was excited to get a soundblaster so I could listen I like [TS]

01:46:48   the sound effects on Carmen Sandiego is like a ten year [TS]

01:46:51   whatever I want whenever I was the good old days of baiting PC users when they [TS]

01:46:55   had their computers couldn't do basic things like have an auto switching 10 [TS]

01:47:00   100 Ethernet cable hope you mentioned the Xbox or a sound card when you need [TS]

01:47:05   to sound card for my camera supercomputers complete games in my very [TS]

01:47:10   first masking with two buns future [TS]