00:00:00 ◼ ► Lenders the i Mac. I was on a pedestal the G. Four G. Four Q. Came up from the floor. [TS]
00:00:06 ◼ ► Still Sharp had to jump onto an airbag. That's real power. So we got some e-mail from an Apple Store genius. [TS]
00:00:15 ◼ ► Yeah last week we were talking about i Cloud who buys more storage for i Cloud And I think I said that. [TS]
00:00:23 ◼ ► I imagine that people would go in not knowing whether their message on their phone means saying. [TS]
00:00:28 ◼ ► It says something and about i Cloud blah blah blah fix it. Mr Genius present at the bar. [TS]
00:00:33 ◼ ► And what they would assume they would do is say you know that James would tell him always I could really give us [TS]
00:00:39 ◼ ► or my storage for free you've run out of that if you are more you have to pay Paul Blon the customer be pissed. [TS]
00:00:46 ◼ ► but I figured they would eventually just pay because they just want to keep using the phone the way they used to use it. [TS]
00:00:53 ◼ ► or I guess they can just turn back off entirely if they think nothing will ever happen to their phone. [TS]
00:01:00 ◼ ► People do come in with the message they don't understand what I mean is that not enough storage. [TS]
00:01:05 ◼ ► And he says the customer service reaction not to pay for something they don't understand. [TS]
00:01:17 ◼ ► So the other thing is or they don't understand how to turn the prompt off and we just hit OK Every morning [TS]
00:01:23 ◼ ► So like that that that's their new way they use the phone is like every morning this is dialog box on the head OK [TS]
00:01:30 ◼ ► and has there are very few people who have actually paid for i Cloud storage in recent memory the only people I can [TS]
00:01:38 ◼ ► Will increase with the size of the phone storage capacity. And we talk about that before like how. Ideally you know. [TS]
00:01:45 ◼ ► Whatever they're going to do with i Cloud Storage it would match the size of subtle some size of the devices you have [TS]
00:01:52 ◼ ► or whether it's fear whatever it seems like as you buy more devices your storage expandable should somehow build that [TS]
00:01:57 ◼ ► into the price of devices or build that into the price of i Cloud but they don't they give you. [TS]
00:02:03 ◼ ► They give you a little bit for free and then you would ever Louis reach reach the limit and you get it. [TS]
00:02:08 ◼ ► But some sad thing of people going Oh I know how to fix a photo start I thought backups off done and done. [TS]
00:02:13 ◼ ► If the problem is I get this box every morning that's annoying. It does fix the problem in quotes. You know. [TS]
00:02:19 ◼ ► I don't know. I think this is the more the more we hear about these these stories of how regular people. [TS]
00:02:26 ◼ ► Hit these walls. On their i OS devices. Of this photo storage wall unlike what to do at once you hit that wall. [TS]
00:02:34 ◼ ► It's just so sad and really it's tragic. How many people lose their photos that they've taken. And you know. [TS]
00:02:56 ◼ ► These problems really are affecting a lot of people in very big ways and I have to imagine. [TS]
00:03:02 ◼ ► You know what we have now with i Cloud. Photo back up this. This can't be like it. [TS]
00:03:08 ◼ ► Like this can't be the solution to this problem period there. Apple really has to address this in a more serious way. [TS]
00:03:18 ◼ ► We talked so much in the past about the challenges of things like upstream bed with and uploading all your photos [TS]
00:03:26 ◼ ► That gain space on the device way faster them to the most could upload them to a web service. [TS]
00:03:38 ◼ ► And where we are now backing up kind of partially some things to very confusing I think a lot of middle ground between [TS]
00:03:50 ◼ ► and just seems like either they can't get their act together on that yet. Or it's not a priority enough. [TS]
00:03:56 ◼ ► Yeah I actually have some sort of related follow up so last episode I lamented the fact that I had. [TS]
00:04:08 ◼ ► and it was so much that it was preventing i Cloud from backing up my i Phone because I was running out of space [TS]
00:04:13 ◼ ► and I hadn't paid for any extra it's under ten or so I don't remember if I had hard facts at the time we recorded [TS]
00:04:18 ◼ ► but I can tell you I'm looking at my i Phone right now. And I have three and a half. Gigabytes of messages data. [TS]
00:04:25 ◼ ► As per the settings than a believe it's general than you suggest generally the new usage. [TS]
00:04:39 ◼ ► And so it's a night I paid thirty five dollars for I Explorer which used to be known as i Phone Explorer [TS]
00:04:45 ◼ ► and I'm sure someone will write and tell me No you idiot you should have done it this way. [TS]
00:04:49 ◼ ► Here's the secret hack to get to these things. But nevertheless I paid for this app and it will let me extract. [TS]
00:04:55 ◼ ► S M S's from an unencrypted. I Tunes backups I had to do it on encrypted itunes backup. Well anyways. [TS]
00:05:02 ◼ ► It will do many things it will save P.D.F. Severe i Tunes of your messages it'll save. [TS]
00:05:08 ◼ ► See a season it'll also save text files and. I export did. Just my conversations with Aaron my wife. And as a P.D.F. [TS]
00:05:19 ◼ ► Which does like the little chap bubbles and everything it was two hundred seventeen Megs. As a C.S.V. [TS]
00:05:28 ◼ ► And that's because I haven't deleted any To my recollection since I got my three G.S. [TS]
00:05:35 ◼ ► So anyway so the point is there idle lot of messages on my phone and I don't view this as something abnormal and. [TS]
00:05:50 ◼ ► I'm surprised that Apple hasn't found a better way to handle this. And it makes sense because. [TS]
00:05:56 ◼ ► In Apple's perspective it stands to reason they wouldn't have to handle this because maybe normal people do delete [TS]
00:06:01 ◼ ► their messages but I would assume that not all normal people do and certainly I think of myself a slightly normal [TS]
00:06:07 ◼ ► and I didn't. So this is kind of a bummer and hopefully after the show I'll be able to go through in delete L. [TS]
00:06:15 ◼ ► And all of the animated GIF cinema G.'s that are so she added with them and hopefully reclaim all that. [TS]
00:06:24 ◼ ► So I guess you don't need this new romantic Matic application. Then over this no so native application. I think. [TS]
00:06:36 ◼ ► Oh is this the thing that like pings you reminds you of yeah nice text messages to your significant other it seems like [TS]
00:06:46 ◼ ► It could have been he doesn't need it obviously. Clearly not which by the way I have a new icon for fast taxed my. [TS]
00:07:03 ◼ ► but I don't need to hear any more complaining for him from John and Marco about the icons soon. [TS]
00:07:08 ◼ ► I really complain that the new one doesn't if he doesn't have feet. No sorry. But the icon is so much better. [TS]
00:07:27 ◼ ► It's one of those problems where I.O.'s has this kind of idealized picture of of conditions of usage and. [TS]
00:07:37 ◼ ► This is been a problem with a lot of Apple software you know the the photo storage [TS]
00:07:45 ◼ ► There's these these idealized situations that I guess the designers at Apple figure this is how people use the thing. [TS]
00:07:53 ◼ ► And they try to hide the complexity of dealing with computers and the reality of computers and. [TS]
00:08:14 ◼ ► You know to use a joint software term it's a leaky abstraction. Like you can't hide. [TS]
00:08:19 ◼ ► The realities of computing devices have limited storage space and photos and video shot by good cameras are huge [TS]
00:08:27 ◼ ► and upstream Bam with in most places it's not great. And on and oftentimes not free for very long and. [TS]
00:08:34 ◼ ► And like there's all these kind of inconvenient truths in the in the reality of using these computing systems that. [TS]
00:08:50 ◼ ► That's a that's a reasonable thing to expect somebody using computer device to do is like well. [TS]
00:08:57 ◼ ► And you had your trying to store more stuff than it holds so you got to make some decisions here. [TS]
00:09:01 ◼ ► And I.O.'s really make that hard you know it Merlin talk about this a lot to like it makes it very hard to know where [TS]
00:09:07 ◼ ► the storage is being used it's very hard to to control that to to delete things intelligently to make space [TS]
00:09:21 ◼ ► For for trying to pretend like these realities don't exist when in fact they're extremely common. [TS]
00:09:28 ◼ ► And I would love to do the thing where like you know the usage screen where I spend a lot of my time because I've been [TS]
00:09:36 ◼ ► So I'm always right up against the storage limit because like movies for the kids another random things that I put on [TS]
00:09:41 ◼ ► You know video is pushed me over the edge so I spend a lot of time in the user screen look into that stupid scrolling [TS]
00:09:45 ◼ ► list and expanding into seeing it and. The solution to your. You're out of room is. Look at that big list. [TS]
00:09:53 ◼ ► Find the application that like that big that you don't think you need or whatever and delete the entire application. [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Can I just delete a couple of the things in that application in some cases you can like video you can do the individual [TS]
00:10:05 ◼ ► videos for the video about the case but in other cases. Applications are not designed to say. [TS]
00:10:13 ◼ ► and it you want I can purge my cash as I can delete these old things that you haven't seen in a while I can. [TS]
00:10:18 ◼ ► You know just some way to manage the date in the application the only solution is.. [TS]
00:10:22 ◼ ► You know hold down going to little note at the little X. Nuke the whole application. [TS]
00:10:26 ◼ ► I recently had to do that with Instapaper because I was up to like one point two gigs. [TS]
00:10:33 ◼ ► Like within it like trim it stayed there whatever I could have gone through the individual. [TS]
00:10:39 ◼ ► The easiest thing for me to do because a likely Instapaper is has a service I can point it was to delete the hell up [TS]
00:10:45 ◼ ► And there was an make we know loss and functionality but whatever the hell Instapaper was keeping around was gone [TS]
00:10:50 ◼ ► and it's the paper shrunk back down to its normal size and. I'm sure it's slowly growing back up as I go. [TS]
00:10:55 ◼ ► I mean that's that's an extreme case of whatever but you know same thing with the S. [TS]
00:10:58 ◼ ► and I think you could have gone through the S.M.S. App and deleted individual messages if you wanted. [TS]
00:11:02 ◼ ► But nobody after certain once you hit that limit is that's a method of so many people of at this limit. [TS]
00:11:10 ◼ ► And there's nothing in the message that location that says. Delete messages older than X. [TS]
00:11:14 ◼ ► Delete messages from you know do a like a something to do something complicated to like a search query final is it like. [TS]
00:11:21 ◼ ► and you can't delete the messages avocations far as I know so I was trying to simplify things [TS]
00:11:30 ◼ ► And people are forced to make choices like should delete this entire application. I guess is my only choice I mean. [TS]
00:11:36 ◼ ► And so I think maybe they don't even know that you can go into the video and delete individual videos [TS]
00:11:39 ◼ ► but difficult situation it will kind of be better if. When Apple does a storage shift. [TS]
00:11:47 ◼ ► Because I think most people can get away with like a sixty four gig. Device and be pretty sloppy. [TS]
00:11:52 ◼ ► But lots of people buying sixteenth and that's just not enough for anybody to use for more than like a year [TS]
00:11:59 ◼ ► If you have the sixteen gig device and if you have sixteen gigs of legitimate data on it. [TS]
00:12:04 ◼ ► That's not going to get back up to i Cloud much you pony up some money. And this is where like you guys had mentioned. [TS]
00:12:16 ◼ ► The cumulative size of all of your devices associated with that account so if you have a thirty two gig phone [TS]
00:12:24 ◼ ► Then as far as we're concerned the size of the of the your i Cloud allotment should be sixty four gigs. [TS]
00:12:32 ◼ ► Which is a lot more than five obviously. Even then those like I mean obviously we're not talking about. [TS]
00:12:38 ◼ ► You know desktop sized backup sets but even that might hit problems with upstream. Limits. Yeah. Very much so. [TS]
00:12:45 ◼ ► But I mean at least to say it's a step it's an improvement. True. Yeah definitely. All right. [TS]
00:12:54 ◼ ► Lynda dot com L Y N D eight com You probably heard about them on other great podcast [TS]
00:13:09 ◼ ► They have over two thousand high quality engaging video courses taught by industry experts with new courses added. [TS]
00:13:16 ◼ ► Every day. They have a very wide breadth of courses for me good to advanced. And the videos I watched a few of these. [TS]
00:13:25 ◼ ► They have these great animations these diagrams it's very easy to get the information you need they explained it very [TS]
00:13:33 ◼ ► And really they do have stuff like from begin to even think I I saw some beginner stuff [TS]
00:13:37 ◼ ► and I saw like I want to the logic sections I edit the podcast and logic I got stuff there [TS]
00:13:46 ◼ ► or Whichever way says we need which I haven't used yet. So all that's not really cool. [TS]
00:13:51 ◼ ► And all this is available from Lynda dot com for just twenty five dollars a month it's a flat flat rate. [TS]
00:14:07 ◼ ► and teaching so these videos have expertise sure's the instructors are working professionals in their field at the top [TS]
00:14:18 ◼ ► They're aware of the reality of the Internet they know that you can go on You Tube [TS]
00:14:23 ◼ ► But the quality there is often pretty lacking and it's very hard to find good stuff [TS]
00:14:27 ◼ ► and I can attest that you know I I taught myself a lot of the basis of logic using You Tube and it was really hit [TS]
00:14:33 ◼ ► or miss. Lynda dot com is consistent high quality very very high production values. [TS]
00:14:38 ◼ ► You know I mentioned earlier they have all these animations and diagrams and screen. Recordings and everything and. [TS]
00:14:44 ◼ ► It's really really great so you can watch from anywhere computer tablet mobile device I even tried it in my flash lists [TS]
00:14:50 ◼ ► Safari and it works just great and that's you don't even need flash on the desktop. So check him out they have. [TS]
00:14:58 ◼ ► I OS seven if you want to learn Perl they even have a Perl five course so you so I mean John. [TS]
00:15:04 ◼ ► I imagine you want to like force your co-workers to take this right side of the mystic view. What will help them. [TS]
00:15:12 ◼ ► Well they it's beginner to advance so maybe. Everything they have creative cloud apps that the O.B.F. They have. [TS]
00:15:22 ◼ ► Business skills you can learn about content marketing management techniques negotiation. [TS]
00:15:28 ◼ ► Media production apps other you know if you want to learn photography videography podcasting tons of stuff so anyway.. [TS]
00:15:33 ◼ ► Go to Lynda dot com. Lynda dot com. That's L Y N D A dot com slash A.T.P. Now they even see they know our audience. [TS]
00:15:43 ◼ ► Normally they make podcast or say forward slash. But they know that our listeners are good with computers. [TS]
00:15:55 ◼ ► They thought the Linda L Y N D A dot com slash A.T.P. So we talked a lot about Google. [TS]
00:16:05 ◼ ► And we've had least a couple of people home writing in actually have some really interesting feedback about that. [TS]
00:16:12 ◼ ► But John I believe it was you that added something in particular. Yeah I just want to know this one thing that. [TS]
00:16:17 ◼ ► Not to go into too much depth of her daughter what it why they buy Nest is it because they want to get into consumer [TS]
00:16:24 ◼ ► and Corey Diamond wrote in to mention one specific product that is actually directly connected to what nest does for [TS]
00:16:33 ◼ ► but it's interesting coincidence that this genie project that they were doing it's about creating like a smart building [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► for you know sustainable construction and Veyron mentally for indeed friendly buildings and stuff like that. [TS]
00:16:47 ◼ ► And this is part another one of their pie in the sky things that Google does like self driving cars of whatever. [TS]
00:16:58 ◼ ► but it just goes to show that the type of things that nest is doing albeit on a very small scale. [TS]
00:17:03 ◼ ► Using technology to make things that we all have that we've you know. We don't question. [TS]
00:17:10 ◼ ► More intelligent to try to make for more efficient building Google's already gone down that road. [TS]
00:17:15 ◼ ► Partially with this project which by the think the show it's people want to know more I got I don't think it has much [TS]
00:17:21 ◼ ► but it just goes to show they like the similarity of thinking like Nest is not too far from something that Google might [TS]
00:17:26 ◼ ► have done although the way Google does it is to do some crazy far reaching Saif I think and then just lose interest [TS]
00:17:45 ◼ ► I hear that there's some things going on with Tivo that happened right before we recorded I'm recording on that [TS]
00:17:53 ◼ ► and there's not much info I did right before I was on the regular I was I was going into to set up my computer to [TS]
00:18:17 ◼ ► when it came out people aren't you going to at the new Tivo it supposedly faster so and so forth. [TS]
00:18:21 ◼ ► And I read all their views and I said no it's way for the next one. Right. Well the. Maybe there will be an excellent. [TS]
00:18:29 ◼ ► and that was most of their hardware design team I mean I guess that would explain some things [TS]
00:18:40 ◼ ► but it seems like Tivo wants to get into the business of supplying software to other people who make set top boxes [TS]
00:18:46 ◼ ► and doing server side. D.V.R. Is like the eighty eight hundred two universe thing. [TS]
00:18:51 ◼ ► Rather than selling you a box with a hard drive in the C.P.U. You're putting your home. [TS]
00:18:54 ◼ ► And I kind of like the box with the hard drive in a C.P.U. That you put in your home. So. As I tweeted. [TS]
00:19:12 ◼ ► and even with like a discount code that you get for doing filling out their stupid monthly survey things. [TS]
00:19:17 ◼ ► Still I still like a nine hundred something dollars for me to get the big honkin Tivo that I want with lifetime service. [TS]
00:19:29 ◼ ► So the the box itself is five hundred dollars or less for the big one that holds like four hundred fifty hours of H.D. [TS]
00:19:35 ◼ ► Content with six tuners those we're talking about here this is a big the big guns I don't shop down low end of the [TS]
00:19:41 ◼ ► And then double that price for the service contract in the service contract is like basically paying for them to say [TS]
00:19:50 ◼ ► new program information for the life of the device you could pay like twelve dollars a month if you want to do it month [TS]
00:19:57 ◼ ► and I have to get lifetime as I keep my Tivo boxes for years like you know I'm slowly rotate them [TS]
00:20:04 ◼ ► The lifetime thing more than pays for itself because I retire the Tivo after three four five years and it's you know. [TS]
00:20:09 ◼ ► At twelve dollars a month and take too many years the equal like one hundred two hundred dollars [TS]
00:20:19 ◼ ► My current lifetime on my Tivo premier is not close to being paid for I forget what I paid for that lifetime thing [TS]
00:20:30 ◼ ► when It came out even though it does look like it's faster and I saw them on some of the new still weren't H.D. [TS]
00:20:44 ◼ ► You know I have to play it's to the game where I wait and see if I can get one of these when they become cheaper. [TS]
00:20:48 ◼ ► They will never become cheap and letters disappear. I don't know I'm kind of sad about it so so everything you like Is. [TS]
00:20:56 ◼ ► Disappearing from under you. I'm surprised there's a new MacPro. Well sort of. Yeah. It is not that like I don't. [TS]
00:21:06 ◼ ► Kind of where because there will be better T.V.'s eventually like all LEDs will eventually become cheaper [TS]
00:21:10 ◼ ► and they'll be way better than what I have now but it's just you know that we're in a low period where the thing. [TS]
00:21:17 ◼ ► Thing that I want is going away and something better will become replace it. But I don't know when that will be. [TS]
00:21:23 ◼ ► But a television I was you know. It was a clear choice because my old T.V. Like you could buy a was any modern T.V. [TS]
00:21:29 ◼ ► You know better than my old one. I just because technology moved on and for years or plasmas. [TS]
00:21:43 ◼ ► The only reason I would get the new one is because that you why it's faster Nothing drives me crazy about my current on [TS]
00:21:56 ◼ ► I still think is the market for this product what it does is amazing people who are still people who I know have never [TS]
00:22:03 ◼ ► From the incomparable had never had a Tivo I think he bought one recently he's just amazed by he's like wow this is a [TS]
00:22:12 ◼ ► I would never want to the cable company's D.V.R. I would never want to not have a D.V.R. [TS]
00:22:23 ◼ ► and know how plied to it make the C.P.U.'s faster make everything about it better. [TS]
00:22:32 ◼ ► but to see them sort of fail on the business and just decide they're going to get in bed with the cable companies [TS]
00:22:38 ◼ ► and just supply software like I don't. I don't know where their expertise lies so there are a great making harbour. [TS]
00:22:44 ◼ ► No not really a great making software not really the combination of something that didn't exist before the box [TS]
00:22:55 ◼ ► Just program information you come down and it's got a lot of features now like the I was apps aren't that bad. [TS]
00:23:00 ◼ ► You can control your Tivo from the other side of the country with your. If your phone or your i Pad. [TS]
00:23:07 ◼ ► and what I was all sorts of things you can do with the hardware that they have they finally started to kind of get [TS]
00:23:12 ◼ ► their useful features under the on this just that the hardware was not great and their software was little bit creaky. [TS]
00:23:20 ◼ ► You know. And said Well if that makes you said what do you think of the for the Nintendo stuff. [TS]
00:23:30 ◼ ► That's next things I've ever really thought of when as you go through you've got to be the one you guys have Tivo. [TS]
00:23:37 ◼ ► That ball which I should say comes with your cable service but we were just a year ago Aaron [TS]
00:23:45 ◼ ► and I finally decided that I think ten or fifteen dollars a month was worth it for D.V.R. [TS]
00:23:49 ◼ ► So everyone else on the planet had a D.V.R. For easily five years. And we just got one. Like I said around a year ago. [TS]
00:23:57 ◼ ► And I really like it but I feel like I could live without it. And I don't find it to be. [TS]
00:24:08 ◼ ► All I needed to do is record that shows I want and play the show I want when I asked to play it. [TS]
00:24:14 ◼ ► but I don't see why you need anything more than that in my menus if memory serves our Nicci how much. [TS]
00:24:23 ◼ ► Programming can you fit on your. I want to have the faintest idea we don't want enough T.V. [TS]
00:24:27 ◼ ► To ever get that close to me I always I always avoid the stuff you know I had I had a D.V.R. [TS]
00:24:35 ◼ ► Box from the cable company for. You know for a few years and then I then I I you know. [TS]
00:24:42 ◼ ► And that was a while ago I mean that was in late two thousand and seven two thousand and eight. Maybe. [TS]
00:24:47 ◼ ► So it was it was a while ago and to me. You know one of the reason they did that is because like as a nerd.. [TS]
00:24:56 ◼ ► Looking a D.V.R. It's just such a terrible hack. And it's its hacks on top of hacks on top of hacks. [TS]
00:25:02 ◼ ► Mixing and Tivo is even more hacker the need to deal with your cable company's crap and. [TS]
00:25:06 ◼ ► It's like it's layers upon layers of fragile hacky things that can and often do fail or break and. I would rather just. [TS]
00:25:16 ◼ ► Put the same amount of money really or less. What in the being less most of the time. Into Netflix. [TS]
00:25:25 ◼ ► You know it works for us because the shows we watch are available that way and the money works out where like. [TS]
00:25:31 ◼ ► You know we don't watch so many shows where that would be prohibitively expensive. You know. [TS]
00:25:40 ◼ ► But for us it works very well and so to me that's a much more elegant solution. If you can fit within it. [TS]
00:25:47 ◼ ► Because then you don't have to like fast forward through commercials you don't have to worry about what if you know [TS]
00:25:50 ◼ ► what if the thing missed start time by five minutes because something changes the last second. [TS]
00:25:54 ◼ ► All that crazy stuff is to deal with the D.V.R. Storage space I mean. All that crazy stuff. You know it's. [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► I prefer to just do the like eighty percent solution of I can get eighty percent of what we want. [TS]
00:26:06 ◼ ► In this far better way. That's usually cheaper and has all these other advantages. [TS]
00:26:11 ◼ ► Like for example no commercials ever. Always other venues it's just to me that's a much more elegant. [TS]
00:26:16 ◼ ► Future and so the idea of buying a really decked out D.V.R. For me seems like investing in the wrong future. [TS]
00:26:25 ◼ ► But that's again it's only because my consumption habits. Fit within the way I've chosen to do things. [TS]
00:26:32 ◼ ► or if you're having to you watch it like I am in my whole family it than you can use a cable company for a D.V.R. [TS]
00:26:44 ◼ ► and we refill it consciously we're deleting stuff to make room for things so we fill the thing up because it was for [TS]
00:26:48 ◼ ► people's worth of programming on there actually we have another two terabytes upstairs [TS]
00:26:53 ◼ ► and we you know use a superset of storage. So you know and if you have you here that's what you can. You know. [TS]
00:27:00 ◼ ► It's obvious that you can get by with any other solution. And if you're having T.V. [TS]
00:27:04 ◼ ► or That also means you're not content to wait until the shop and i Tunes It's not even the money thing is just like [TS]
00:27:08 ◼ ► and I watch it right now it's on right now why can I watch you right now I have one just torrent it isn't available. [TS]
00:27:16 ◼ ► This this is the solution that gets you the programming you want. When you wanted more or less. [TS]
00:27:27 ◼ ► and even if you don't care about a little bit delayed the main feature that I think of all these D.V.R. [TS]
00:27:31 ◼ ► Is in the age of cable card as they make it so you don't have to have a cable box if you think you want to have cable. [TS]
00:27:40 ◼ ► and I've never had a cable box I've never had a cable box in any house that I I mean it may be an apartment I don't [TS]
00:27:45 ◼ ► think any house that I've owned and had a cable box at all before maybe for around the time my first child was born. [TS]
00:27:55 ◼ ► Shows the way we normally have because once you have a kid you can't be like oh that o'clock go sit down [TS]
00:27:58 ◼ ► and watch the T.V. Get out of the marketing more. And that's when I sort of said my goodbyes to life T.V. Like say. [TS]
00:28:04 ◼ ► Thank you good bye I said life when you become a vampire. When I got my first Tivo alike. Nine ten years ago. [TS]
00:28:12 ◼ ► I will never watch live television again I will never see a commercial again that I don't skip there with thirty [TS]
00:28:16 ◼ ► seconds get budget live television is dead to me flipping through channels is dead to me. [TS]
00:28:21 ◼ ► All that totally gun point of like the best decade of my life television is like go in front of my television. [TS]
00:28:27 ◼ ► Turn on go to go to some boxes connected to it and select what I want to watch from it [TS]
00:28:31 ◼ ► and it's so happens that Tivo is filled with all the programming that. I want to record. And you know. [TS]
00:28:38 ◼ ► when we watch the quote unquote live television we always play for the commercials to cue up like we don't start [TS]
00:28:44 ◼ ► when because we know we'll never have to see a commercial that way. You don't have to do with H.B.O. [TS]
00:28:51 ◼ ► So I just think it's a more civilized way to watch television because cable boxes D.V.R. [TS]
00:29:00 ◼ ► and the harbor remotes they give you never want one of those things in my house at all [TS]
00:29:04 ◼ ► and this is like you can buy your own box at this little cable car put it in there. [TS]
00:29:12 ◼ ► It's the same reason to not use the cable companies rather I don't want their box I don't want their raw. [TS]
00:29:16 ◼ ► I don't want anything in the house. So for that reason alone I think. If you subscribe to cable. [TS]
00:29:28 ◼ ► But if you don't like cable the new of the T.V. Without doing a thing for you and it can get by with the. [TS]
00:29:38 ◼ ► You would probably like a Tivo better probably not as to be worth a lot of money at a cost of the how much do you pay [TS]
00:29:46 ◼ ► I think it's about fifteen dollars and I don't debate that a Tivo is surely better in every measurable way [TS]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and probably hundreds of immeasurable ones as well. But to me I having never had a D.V.R. Before. [TS]
00:29:59 ◼ ► I'm just excited that I have a thing a machine if you will that will record the television shows that we do watch. [TS]
00:30:06 ◼ ► Without me having to intervene and to your point a moment ago. I used the Verisign piece a crap. [TS]
00:30:13 ◼ ► Action tech router that I was given when we moved into the house in two thousand and eight. [TS]
00:30:17 ◼ ► And I have a new idea if I need some kind of intervention. I probably. But. But it hasn't caused me any issues now. [TS]
00:30:26 ◼ ► For wife I use a slightly old Airport Extreme So really the only thing that this routers doing is getting internet. [TS]
00:30:35 ◼ ► To my set top boxes and getting internet to my Airport Extreme. And for that. It's fine. [TS]
00:30:46 ◼ ► and agree that not having to use the rising router would probably be better in not having to Use. Of Horizon D.V.R. [TS]
00:30:54 ◼ ► and so I don't have any compelling reason to upgrade that I'm aware of fifteen dollars a month the. [TS]
00:31:00 ◼ ► That adds up you should wait until they have a fire sale on the last Tivo Romeo's and get one of the small [TS]
00:31:04 ◼ ► and just try it. I think you will. I think cost wise it may end up being cheaper and it will be a nicer experience. [TS]
00:31:11 ◼ ► Good probably. And you know the chat room saying oh well. You're renting that equipment I'm absolutely renting the. [TS]
00:31:17 ◼ ► The D.V.R. I don't recall if I'm renting the router it stands to reason I am. But. [TS]
00:31:27 ◼ ► I mean art are Verizon bill is somewhere around two hundred fifty hundred sixty dollars for for the ball or [TS]
00:31:34 ◼ ► but not obscene Internet so not quite Marco level but really good Internet and reasonable cable. We have H.D. [TS]
00:31:46 ◼ ► or Anything like that and we even have a home telephone for a reason I haven't quite figured out yet. [TS]
00:31:51 ◼ ► And for that it's about one hundred fifty dollars and I actually I love my files I. [TS]
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00:34:17 ◼ ► Now we didn't Nigel latest. OK. OK. Are they dead yet. Going to be a while so there are they announce their financials. [TS]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and they're forecasting a two hundred forty million dollar annual loss because the way you is not selling. [TS]
00:34:35 ◼ ► And they're cutting the forecasts and how many we use they think they're going to sell. [TS]
00:34:45 ◼ ► Is even way you games they cut that from saying they were going to sell thirty eight million who are you game saying [TS]
00:34:53 ◼ ► Ever knows that we use not selling units and I was not done anything to make it so any better. Three D.S. [TS]
00:34:59 ◼ ► Is doing OK not great not terrible. Is actually the best selling console of all of twenty thirteen which is now. [TS]
00:35:06 ◼ ► Not that impressive because what did it compete with in twenty thirteen a bunch of old consuls that were on the way out [TS]
00:35:14 ◼ ► Which is kind of impressive because in December the new condos were just coming out you think you know they're still [TS]
00:35:18 ◼ ► like a billion dollars in the million units in the first day or whatever. So I mean compared to the D.S. [TS]
00:35:23 ◼ ► Number three D.S. Isn't big. But compared to how dedicated gaming device is selling now three D.S. [TS]
00:35:33 ◼ ► Real time follow up in the chat room someone Tivo refutes the rumors that harbor is a core component of its business OK [TS]
00:35:38 ◼ ► I will read that link later to see like. You know I I read that. When somebody posted it earlier. And the com. [TS]
00:35:50 ◼ ► It basically sounds like they're trying to scare people away from buying the Romeos. So it's basically saying like. [TS]
00:35:57 ◼ ► We're going to keep supporting the Romeo. But it doesn't really it's a lot of double speak to basically sounds like. [TS]
00:36:03 ◼ ► Yeah. We're gonna keep supporting that but don't expect much else. Because our We're focusing on cloud. [TS]
00:36:12 ◼ ► The Plaza business for like a year leading up to there was like there'd be a story say oh it's a panic was getting an [TS]
00:36:21 ◼ ► but kind of Drysdale you know it's OK you should buy our existing T.V.'s because we haven't already clear. [TS]
00:36:26 ◼ ► But never officially saying we're getting out of the business still like the whole year is up [TS]
00:36:29 ◼ ► and then Panasonic then finally officially says yes it's true we're getting out of you know where there's smoke this [TS]
00:36:38 ◼ ► That's why I prefaced it was saying I just saw this link just before we came in who knows accurate is kind of fuzzy [TS]
00:36:50 ◼ ► when you wasn't signed that well I guess they could have sold gangbusters. In December but even if it did. I mean P.S. [TS]
00:36:57 ◼ ► For an X. Box One sold. Pretty well in December. Like they're they're coming out of the gate strong.. [TS]
00:37:03 ◼ ► And they got out so by the three D.S. And one of always said about intend on this is the. [TS]
00:37:09 ◼ ► The time of year when people are going to keep posting more stories about what intended should [TS]
00:37:12 ◼ ► or shouldn't do whatever is that as long as there's a market for dedicate a gaming devices. Nintendo can. [TS]
00:37:19 ◼ ► And Magento has a way to thrive and to. You know to be successful and to be the Nintendo we want to be. [TS]
00:37:28 ◼ ► but that's the this thanks in that you know. Subtleties that most people will probably forget about. [TS]
00:37:34 ◼ ► There is a way for an intended to to win. As long as people are willing to buy hardware that mostly just play games. [TS]
00:37:42 ◼ ► If people stop being willing to buy her brother just buy games. Intended can't play anymore. [TS]
00:37:46 ◼ ► Because intended can't make a general purpose a Wes I don't think that on a decks pretty they can barely make a [TS]
00:37:54 ◼ ► They can't make something based on Android they can't make their own IO as they can't be a platform they can't they [TS]
00:38:01 ◼ ► The people do that it's very difficult to do so as long as people keep buying dedicated gaming devices all intending to [TS]
00:38:07 ◼ ► do is make really good dedicated gaming devices with really good games that people want to [TS]
00:38:19 ◼ ► They can still fail under that scenario but at least immobile I called out of the question they can't like. [TS]
00:38:24 ◼ ► I think there's nothing they can do to say we're going to make our own operating system. [TS]
00:38:28 ◼ ► And our own app store and our own general purpose platform to does more than games. [TS]
00:38:35 ◼ ► and the only thing I think they should do is try to make game devices that people really want to buy with great games [TS]
00:38:45 ◼ ► And they're not doing that now they made that were you know one thing was the wanted for. [TS]
00:38:58 ◼ ► and that the novelty this time of the second screen is not catching on with people [TS]
00:39:02 ◼ ► and into no hasn't demonstrated why it should catch on and is just a bad situation [TS]
00:39:11 ◼ ► when this came up in the first round of Nintendo Well it's like they just need to like reset. [TS]
00:39:16 ◼ ► And think about what they're going to do for their next thing I don't know you don't need to give up on the way you. [TS]
00:39:20 ◼ ► They still has they still need to put out whatever games they have planned for that we you know even if it doesn't sell [TS]
00:39:25 ◼ ► and third party support is disappearing for that will you because who the hell is going to make a game for a crappy [TS]
00:39:30 ◼ ► console they can't run modern games and has very few. You know is not selling a lot of units. [TS]
00:39:42 ◼ ► And we know what choice do they have so I think that will just make games of the way you put them out the thing will [TS]
00:39:47 ◼ ► sort of fade away and in total thinks. Need to think about what's going to do next. [TS]
00:39:52 ◼ ► Spend that part of that fourteen billion dollars wisely and come out with a good idea with a good platform [TS]
00:39:58 ◼ ► and hope that by the time they do that that the market for they get a gaming Harbor has not disappeared as a said many [TS]
00:40:04 ◼ ► times I think there is room for one more generation of dedicated to gaming hardware and this is it. P.S. For an X. [TS]
00:40:14 ◼ ► and say is there's still a market for data get a game where maybe then the answer will be no [TS]
00:40:23 ◼ ► And maybe get like a foul tip with their handheld look at it do you think. Are they in worse shape now as they were. [TS]
00:40:39 ◼ ► but I am assuming they have much more money in the bank now than I did back then because they write the Game Cube. [TS]
00:40:45 ◼ ► Sold more than easily more than the way you like a for all the problems of the games you had Nintendo would kill the [TS]
00:40:53 ◼ ► Game Cube like numbers on the WE they did not have now. And that the D.S. Sold way better than the three D.S. [TS]
00:40:59 ◼ ► but A lot of that is kind of like look at the downward trend to dig dedicated gaming devices like overall the market is [TS]
00:41:04 ◼ ► slowly declining. And so everything's like relative it's like. Well the three D.S. [TS]
00:41:15 ◼ ► but boy what Nintendo would give to sell a game cube like members of were you at this point. [TS]
00:41:26 ◼ ► You're the only one of us that has we you and when. When we visited I played it for five minutes and it seemed nice. [TS]
00:41:38 ◼ ► I know what you just said about it being not very powerful but just in general is it good. [TS]
00:41:43 ◼ ► The games and intend or will make for the way you. And that they already have made. [TS]
00:41:48 ◼ ► Demonstrated as a platform that you can have fun games on and I've said before you can have kinds of fun [TS]
00:41:54 ◼ ► and kinds of games on the way you that you can't have in any other consul because of that weird second screen thing. [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Doesn't mean that they're the most amazing games in the world but there's experiences you can have other places. [TS]
00:42:05 ◼ ► And like than tend to land the thing that demonstrates like here's the in different ways you can use our combination of [TS]
00:42:11 ◼ ► hardware some of them are fun some of them are but out of that big. You know collection of many games. [TS]
00:42:18 ◼ ► That can't be matched anywhere else and so if you're in. If you're into games and you want to say. [TS]
00:42:22 ◼ ► Show me a new way to be entertained instead of just another first person shooter. Intended. [TS]
00:42:26 ◼ ► Is showing you that kind of like on the X. Box. One on the X. Box three sixty would connect. Microsoft said. [TS]
00:42:39 ◼ ► or not that's something you can experience on the other consuls because they don't have the connect you know they may [TS]
00:42:57 ◼ ► and their games are going to be on the way you know that games are not going to be on any of the other council So if [TS]
00:43:05 ◼ ► There's only one place to do that and maybe the next building game won't take advantage of any that we use features. [TS]
00:43:12 ◼ ► And it's kind of the same reason I got a Playstation three to play a class Guardian which is a lot and released. [TS]
00:43:17 ◼ ► But you know journey is an example. Journey was and is not available now. Any other platform. [TS]
00:43:23 ◼ ► Journey could be on any platform doesn't use any unique features like analog stick [TS]
00:43:26 ◼ ► and buttons it's not like you need to connect bars like you need a second screen is a very straightforward game it [TS]
00:43:31 ◼ ► could be a P.C. Game. Helical probably even exist an I O. S. God forbid. But it was only on the P S three. [TS]
00:43:41 ◼ ► And I continue to think that you know that's the way forward for an intended was make awesome hardware the people want [TS]
00:43:53 ◼ ► Just simple as that in general I don't see what the problem is just going to make awesome games [TS]
00:44:04 ◼ ► They need a different strategy even intended itself saying you know what to look at smartphones and do this [TS]
00:44:09 ◼ ► and do that it's like. I don't think that's a winning strategy for Nintendo because I don't think intend to can. [TS]
00:44:16 ◼ ► Can do what it does it you know people keep making this analogy and saying like not apt or whatever [TS]
00:44:21 ◼ ► but there's enough aspects of it that I think our app that's worth revisiting the thing about again. [TS]
00:44:25 ◼ ► It's kind of like when Apple was in trouble and they were totally in trouble like in the ninety's. [TS]
00:44:29 ◼ ► And people are saying Apple has to get out of the hardware business and just put MAC OS on on Windows P.C.'s right. [TS]
00:44:37 ◼ ► They're not making hardware that people want to buy people kind of like the software why not just put that software on [TS]
00:44:47 ◼ ► Apple would have gone down the tubes and gone bankrupt people would've said say you should just put macro us on P.C. [TS]
00:44:53 ◼ ► You're stupid thing of selling you you know why are you glad you keep doing that why do you keep sticking keeping your [TS]
00:44:57 ◼ ► software just your hardware the nobody wanted. Why don't you just put on generic X. Eighty six hardware. [TS]
00:45:04 ◼ ► But he says they've just came back and did like the thing them to leave things so easy. [TS]
00:45:11 ◼ ► And then you know you put your good software on you make that even better too and when you have hardware [TS]
00:45:22 ◼ ► but there is a definite analogy in that one intended makes is a combination of hardware [TS]
00:45:28 ◼ ► and software The gives a unique experience that is potentially better than all of its competitors [TS]
00:45:35 ◼ ► Because it was crazy waggly remote mixed with some software that made that crazy waggly remote fun. That's that's it. [TS]
00:45:55 ◼ ► To make the kind of money they make even off of their crappy failing. We you and their. So so three D.S. [TS]
00:46:01 ◼ ► You know three D.S. Games like thirty dollars a pop. WAY YOU games like sixty dollars a pop. [TS]
00:46:14 ◼ ► and expect like I mean you just do the revenue graphs on like well if I saw one dollar How many do have to sell the [TS]
00:46:19 ◼ ► sell so few dollars we know how much I'll sell comparative I saw one dollar does intend to have to start making [TS]
00:46:31 ◼ ► and you can't innovate gameplay because you're you're at the mercy of what kind of hardware Apple wants to put out [TS]
00:46:39 ◼ ► and whole category games can even exist without the physical controllers all you just sell to people with physical [TS]
00:46:43 ◼ ► control isn't it how to make a physical controller. Now you're selling to a fraction of a fraction of a market. [TS]
00:46:48 ◼ ► Anybody willing to buy a physical controller to play Nintendo games in there I was device would also be willing to buy [TS]
00:46:55 ◼ ► Television game consuls with a controller there they just buy Bluetooth controller an airplane there I was device [TS]
00:47:00 ◼ ► and you're right about the lag like there was no good way out for Nintendo in those areas I think Me Tender should pay [TS]
00:47:10 ◼ ► They're never going to have their own platform the never going to have their own net zero S. [TS]
00:47:16 ◼ ► For now it doesn't look like a still marketed to get a game console. They just make when the people want to buy. [TS]
00:47:22 ◼ ► Sounds easy. Yeah I know I didn't consult me for them either way I would have told them. [TS]
00:47:28 ◼ ► There's a couple of articles like you know the hindsight is twenty twenty articles guy like I was at a game developer [TS]
00:47:32 ◼ ► the show is that where you and I totally new the should be making us because it was the hardware was too weak. [TS]
00:47:40 ◼ ► but I mean I probably would've said the same thing about the way a standard definition of game console ever else going [TS]
00:47:48 ◼ ► But yeah I don't think they could pull that off second time and they didn't. Yeah. [TS]
00:47:52 ◼ ► I think part of the part of the problem with that is that the we was really successful because of this fad that that it. [TS]
00:48:01 ◼ ► You know it is totally not a fad a fad is something that like you know comes and goes quickly [TS]
00:48:05 ◼ ► and as has no lasting value the motion control. I would say that is that what you said. [TS]
00:48:20 ◼ ► It lasted an entire generation that we dominated the entire generation motion control is not going away every single [TS]
00:48:30 ◼ ► It's like saying well the Macintosh because the Macintosh lost the it sounds uncomfortable. [TS]
00:48:38 ◼ ► And yet now every modern computer has a good about it they're not a Macintosh So I guess the whole do thing was a fad [TS]
00:48:43 ◼ ► motion control was not a fad. Well that's not a fair. That's on a fair assessment. I think. [TS]
00:48:49 ◼ ► Because you know stuff like Google is you know you use it and then you keep using it and it's. It keeps being awesome. [TS]
00:48:58 ◼ ► I've almost everyone I've I've ever heard from who has a wee has said they had the same problem where they. [TS]
00:49:04 ◼ ► They got it they played it. They played the crap out of it for like you know a couple of weeks or months. [TS]
00:49:12 ◼ ► and eventually goes away like a computer needs software so if you've got a Macintosh [TS]
00:49:28 ◼ ► and I used to the software have all the new applications are coming up for Windows so I put the Nikon claws [TS]
00:49:35 ◼ ► Like it's a platform you do need software to be release for it and making it standard definition didn't help. [TS]
00:49:43 ◼ ► and eventually the only thing available on the way were terrible crappy shovelware ports of like ancient P.C. [TS]
00:49:51 ◼ ► New titles people want to play Warren available of the we had also what do you need to keep playing we sports for eight [TS]
00:50:03 ◼ ► and that's why it's because no one made new games for it no one made new exciting popular games where were everyone [TS]
00:50:13 ◼ ► and even of an exclusive jazzy multipart word Grand Theft Auto Call of Duty Modern Warfare like all these games came [TS]
00:50:19 ◼ ► out their vailable for P.C. Three sixty and P S three P.C. Via three sixty or P S three. [TS]
00:50:24 ◼ ► Never the way because the we can't play because it was too weak. It just aged out. No no one made no software for it. [TS]
00:50:32 ◼ ► No it's not it's not just the motion control was a fad you're saying like oh I didn't say that much control as a fat I [TS]
00:50:39 ◼ ► The we was just a console didn't have a good third party support the Game Cube a similar as the games you've got older. [TS]
00:50:45 ◼ ► You know third party games came out for the other platforms and not for the Game Cube. [TS]
00:50:49 ◼ ► and intend it was really bad about third party support because it's caught between what we can support our own platform [TS]
00:51:00 ◼ ► And the people like well screen you we're not going to games your platform anymore. [TS]
00:51:06 ◼ ► and your numbers only did with attract the vultures to say well make a stupid time game for my movie [TS]
00:51:10 ◼ ► and sell away version. Just to get some free cash because so many weeds out there in the world. [TS]
00:51:14 ◼ ► And then people would buy the crappy movie tie and game for the way and the kids would play and say the Sox and. [TS]
00:51:20 ◼ ► It was like is like this when I had twenty six hundred the Atari where eventually. [TS]
00:51:25 ◼ ► and just devalued the entire you know concept so we as a product was a good idea and a good product. [TS]
00:51:36 ◼ ► and it just fizzled out I mean any console can do that like if any of the other console makers. [TS]
00:51:41 ◼ ► Had the same problem that they put out hardware that was too weak to play modern games [TS]
00:51:44 ◼ ► and didn't have a good relationship with third parties they would fizzle out and die too. [TS]
00:51:59 ◼ ► For the can play the next Marienfeld again everybody would like you have your cake [TS]
00:52:02 ◼ ► and eat it too is no reason you have to choose you know two things. Except for price. But Nintendo has always. [TS]
00:52:09 ◼ ► You know said what we want to keep it as cheap as possible and we think the work great in a did with the we kind of [TS]
00:52:14 ◼ ► but even that ran into their stupidity about third party relationships. Well. The reason I brought up this thing that. [TS]
00:52:26 ◼ ► It's always a flawed strategic flaw in business if you. If you don't really recognize. Why you are. [TS]
00:52:34 ◼ ► You have been facile in the past or the present. Because you know if you. If you attribute president past success. [TS]
00:52:41 ◼ ► To the wrong factors. Then you'll probably do the wrong things on your next project in Europe coming. [TS]
00:52:50 ◼ ► The we sold really really well and therefore we have to keep doing. Gimmicks like this. It's not a gimmick. [TS]
00:53:01 ◼ ► In the last few generations of consuls where you know it used to be in the olden days of like eight [TS]
00:53:14 ◼ ► And in some ways they would do they would do things better. And they had these awesome games. [TS]
00:53:18 ◼ ► To carry them and to really be that the foundation of their business that we was this new hardware gimmick that. [TS]
00:53:26 ◼ ► Excuse me this new hardware method that. That was very successful in the market. Briefly. [TS]
00:53:33 ◼ ► You know it met at least in that one generation and years and briefly for eight years well OK. Regardless. [TS]
00:53:39 ◼ ► It was very successful be and I had this new hardware thing. This new kind of thing. The. D.S. Had these two screens. [TS]
00:53:50 ◼ ► But is the reason it was very successful because it had two screens or because Intel made really good games [TS]
00:53:55 ◼ ► and they happen to make the best portable game system. And it happened to have two screens. [TS]
00:54:00 ◼ ► but it's not that mess education because the like that we sold an amazing number of that because it had a novel input [TS]
00:54:07 ◼ ► to write your problem and here's his Nintendo's problem is that they competed with. [TS]
00:54:12 ◼ ► You know Sony and the original Playstation one in ten sixty four that was kind of the turning point was for them [TS]
00:54:20 ◼ ► And they didn't do as well as they thought they should it we have a great product we have a great. Games. [TS]
00:54:24 ◼ ► Why are we losing to Sony this newcomer into the market why are we having trouble with Sagan there you know Genesis [TS]
00:54:31 ◼ ► and stuff like that we should be crushing them where Nintendo we should do great out. [TS]
00:54:35 ◼ ► And the Game Cube really brought the do ahead with likes the game he was in it's an amazing piece of hardware. [TS]
00:54:49 ◼ ► And we came in last place why why don't people want to buy our stuff is our nor games good. [TS]
00:54:56 ◼ ► We keep failing we need to do something different and they look back at why they had failed and I said. [TS]
00:55:07 ◼ ► Here's what we can do mill like something different to how about we use motion drone they're actually think about [TS]
00:55:11 ◼ ► motion control for the game he was well demotion to troll and they couldn't figure out why they kept losing [TS]
00:55:16 ◼ ► and they're losing because they're just obstinate about third party relationships with other developers like Sony one [TS]
00:55:26 ◼ ► and you pass through the nose to for the privilege of being on our platform and another company came in there [TS]
00:55:34 ◼ ► and intend to continue to refuse to believe that that's why everyone is crushing the was not because they make better [TS]
00:55:42 ◼ ► It's because the not jerks a third parties and Nintendos bills want to hear that and. Unfortunately the idea that. [TS]
00:55:49 ◼ ► Here's what the problem with the problem was we didn't make something that was there was interesting enough we're just [TS]
00:55:52 ◼ ► doing the same thing there are no he doesn't mention that work for them they said Aha See that was it wasn't that all [TS]
00:55:57 ◼ ► that stuff people saying about us not having a good relationship with third parties was just because we want to give [TS]
00:56:02 ◼ ► when it came time to make that we you they said we could do that thing again where we make something new [TS]
00:56:09 ◼ ► It's just not as interesting as motion control is coming from a previous you know. World Without motion control. [TS]
00:56:16 ◼ ► And it fell on its face because you know they continue not to realize that the reason they keep failing is because they [TS]
00:56:22 ◼ ► don't have good. Again. If you could buy Nintendo console and had all the modern games on it. All of that. [TS]
00:56:28 ◼ ► You know ahead Grand Theft Auto had called duty had everything it looked at it looked great it was competitive Are [TS]
00:56:34 ◼ ► Any third party game here off the neck that you should be sure it will be on the new Nintendo console it was just like [TS]
00:56:39 ◼ ► the three sixty or the P S three sometimes on the recently sometimes on the P S three. It's probably on the P.C. [TS]
00:56:48 ◼ ► And if they can't be in the conversation the only people are going to buy Nintendo console are people who just want it [TS]
00:57:11 ◼ ► and we've we've gone through the ratings kerfuffle thousand times and the review kerfuffle a thousand times and. [TS]
00:57:23 ◼ ► and provisioning profiles last night for fast HAXTON I want to throw myself off the roof of my house and. [TS]
00:57:36 ◼ ► Nintendo and Apple both were were or are in a position where they had the ability to be smug [TS]
00:57:53 ◼ ► and the more friendly to third party developers up starts came around and eat their lunch and. [TS]
00:57:59 ◼ ► I'm being overdramatic but I can't help but wonder if that's the future for Apple if. [TS]
00:58:04 ◼ ► If they don't start improving things like i Tunes connect improving things like developer relations and. [TS]
00:58:10 ◼ ► And they certainly got a heck of a lot better Marco you would know better than any of us how much better it's gotten [TS]
00:58:22 ◼ ► when they really where the king was back with the N.E.'s there was so long ago and maybe the as any as [TS]
00:58:30 ◼ ► Where they were in a dominant as long as Michael was but they were as dominant as Microsoft for a brief moment in time. [TS]
00:58:36 ◼ ► And that's their image of themselves. And even a change of C.E.O. Is like the change of C.E.O.'s at the old guy. [TS]
00:58:42 ◼ ► Yamauchi got to pull back and finally now we get someone who realizes they're not the king of the world anymore [TS]
00:58:48 ◼ ► Did the we wish a quick a new guy comes in it's kind of like the return of the job new guy comes in [TS]
00:58:52 ◼ ► and something Tendo is back on top of the Consul heat but again. They're on top like they were. [TS]
00:58:56 ◼ ► They didn't recognize their previous problems they just happen to find something else that would give them a turbo [TS]
00:59:02 ◼ ► but they kept all the old same old attitudes like the expectation that you can make a new console. [TS]
00:59:08 ◼ ► and think that everything will work out fine because you know to be that much more amazing that everyone else like it's. [TS]
00:59:14 ◼ ► It's like Microsoft thinking that for so long war Microsoft when we make a tablet people will buy it and [TS]
00:59:19 ◼ ► when we make a phone unless people will buy it and Windows Phone will soon be the dominant phone platform [TS]
00:59:25 ◼ ► or whatever like you just get an image in your head of like where Microsoft where the king of everything obviously [TS]
00:59:30 ◼ ► anything we do is going to be successful and. It takes repeated failures to get through your corporate head that. [TS]
00:59:38 ◼ ► when you can't you can't do that you have to you know developer tools. You know like. [TS]
00:59:46 ◼ ► To the other developers with almost like if you look at Apple's developer tools for writing. Apps for i OS. [TS]
00:59:51 ◼ ► Yeah we may complain about them and everything but compare it to phone development. Before the i Phone. [TS]
00:59:57 ◼ ► Like you know using X. Code to write applications for i OS is so far beyond. Using whatever the S.T.K. [TS]
01:00:03 ◼ ► To write Nokia phones. Nokia apps or whatever. It's like night and day. And so no wonder. [TS]
01:00:09 ◼ ► Suddenly Apple has tons of third party support for applications in every other phone platform just goes away. [TS]
01:00:16 ◼ ► Nintendo is not that bad compared to their competitors but Nintendo's strength is not making developer tools [TS]
01:00:24 ◼ ► Sunniest or Mike's us strength the the but sunny markets are gotten better at a fast [TS]
01:00:38 ◼ ► and that everything worse than all the competitors now except make fun games. And does those. [TS]
01:00:43 ◼ ► You know it's that stuff is coming home to roost. Do you think some part of it also is. You know back. [TS]
01:00:49 ◼ ► Back in the sixteen bit. Era. I mean it actually even thirty two slash excuse for era. [TS]
01:01:04 ◼ ► and the ones that would sell the most were usually first party games by the platform vendor. [TS]
01:01:14 ◼ ► The big blockbuster games are made by third parties who have really no reason unless they have some kind of big pricey [TS]
01:01:20 ◼ ► business deal. The really have no reason to limit themselves to just one of the consuls. [TS]
01:01:29 ◼ ► And it's in their best interest to put out the games for all the console then so it's a lot less of an advantage to [TS]
01:01:37 ◼ ► have the strong first party library as it used to be because most of the games people are buying [TS]
01:01:45 ◼ ► It's so expensive now to make a AAA title that people can afford to have a Swiss is like. If you're going to. [TS]
01:01:54 ◼ ► And someone wants you to make a schools have to their platform is going to like you realize how much money got the past [TS]
01:01:59 ◼ ► to do that because in a sort of even horse race between one. When you know between two or three competitors. It's like. [TS]
01:02:09 ◼ ► You know if the subjects only wanted to be exclusive or pick any game like that like. [TS]
01:02:13 ◼ ► You can't afford to pay that like that's why these people buy studios like oh my god who buys bunged Well now we don't [TS]
01:02:19 ◼ ► have to pay you to make helos because of the X. Box we bought your whole company. Make for the X. Box only right. [TS]
01:02:24 ◼ ► And even that bunch you found a way to rebuild the way out so it's next game could be multi-platform. [TS]
01:02:28 ◼ ► It's just so expensive it's the only people who can afford to make a game it was who do a platform. Are like gaming. [TS]
01:02:37 ◼ ► and they'll take whatever cash payout they had to go exclusive or you know. First parties. [TS]
01:02:43 ◼ ► I don't know if there was ever ahead A where the first party games are always the best. I guess maybe in the ne S. [TS]
01:02:57 ◼ ► but was that really the best games that Nintendo the only one who's been so dumb figure out a lot I was a say a guy [TS]
01:03:02 ◼ ► back then they had a lot of really good games in the and sixteen but era. Even I would even say. For the Saturn. [TS]
01:03:08 ◼ ► You know we didn't sell well. Well. Yeah that was the only only game so to say yes sure. [TS]
01:03:15 ◼ ► I think intended had by far the best and sixty four games. Playstation change the like that was their deal. [TS]
01:03:21 ◼ ► Like what think of the first party Playstation as like Crash Bandicoot. You know me well I'm the first the first. [TS]
01:03:26 ◼ ► The P.S. One games really were not that great. The P.S. One mainly succeeded. Because the Saturn was a bomb. [TS]
01:03:42 ◼ ► I will stand by that being a good decision actually looking at looking back at the load times [TS]
01:03:49 ◼ ► It had advantages but like the reason intended it was because A they're stubborn and be a people with pain [TS]
01:03:56 ◼ ► and tended to make their cars if you want to make a game forensically for intent like it like that [TS]
01:04:00 ◼ ► when the other stuff. You'd have to pay an intended to make your cartridges for you. [TS]
01:04:05 ◼ ► And they intend to charge profit on that it's likely like free money like why would he rather we let you make a ten [TS]
01:04:10 ◼ ► cent CD. When we can charge you for these are. You know this cartridges. But you know. [TS]
01:04:18 ◼ ► Most of the big popular games are multi-platform intend to will always lose that battle because they're not in the [TS]
01:04:25 ◼ ► cutting edge hardware and ecosystem game like they're not in the game at all and so they're going to keep losing [TS]
01:04:30 ◼ ► but they could be the like with the games your proof that they could be because the Game Cube. Hardware wise. [TS]
01:04:35 ◼ ► Was more than a match for its competitors like there's no reason that they can't be because they don't make. [TS]
01:04:41 ◼ ► You know they pay a fee I had I.B.M. or Whoever makes you know that like. Yes for an X. Box one. [TS]
01:04:54 ◼ ► You know the Game Cube was even more extreme because I.B.M. and Eighty i were also in the X. [TS]
01:05:03 ◼ ► Like they were all using the same vendors you don't have to make the stuff yourself. [TS]
01:05:10 ◼ ► but an intent of that prevents them from making a console they can host all the modern games. As a business choice. [TS]
01:05:16 ◼ ► Well I don't know it because it isn't just about the hardware now it's about these online services. [TS]
01:05:24 ◼ ► and intend to really has never shown any interest in doing something is terrible that to and. [TS]
01:05:29 ◼ ► There have been slowly like Microsoft the only company that knew anything about online because like you know their P.C. [TS]
01:05:34 ◼ ► Company they know about platforms they know about networking stuff like that Sony didn't know anything about the Sony [TS]
01:05:42 ◼ ► Has always sucked continues to sockets like slightly more than Sony. But like it's. [TS]
01:05:46 ◼ ► It's a it's not outside I think this is something that attendant can do intend it can make online games they have [TS]
01:05:52 ◼ ► intended can make like social media. Lobby type things they have done that they just do it badly. [TS]
01:05:58 ◼ ► Sony also doesn't that they Microsoft does it less badly but there's nobody who's like. [TS]
01:06:02 ◼ ► I guess maybe Microsoft is out ahead of both of the other ones but Sony's pretty crappy of that too. [TS]
01:06:10 ◼ ► and again you have to like now it may be a little bit too late but that's so many years like X. [TS]
01:06:14 ◼ ► Box Live came out so many years ago. Intended. If they got their head out of the by the reset. Are we suck at this now. [TS]
01:06:20 ◼ ► Let's get good at it slowly over many years this works is what Sony did and Sony still terrible at it [TS]
01:06:24 ◼ ► and they you know they lost all those passwords and their service is not as good as X. [TS]
01:06:29 ◼ ► when the P S four came out you know it has integration with streaming in the headset support itself I think they [TS]
01:06:34 ◼ ► learned it's possible. And intended was just much slower learner and are too stubborn or whatever. [TS]
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01:08:46 ◼ ► All right what else we want to talk about should we should be breached the net neutrality shop. [TS]
01:08:50 ◼ ► Topic because this could go for hours. Even I have a lot to say about this. There's a lot there. [TS]
01:09:01 ◼ ► A likely disaster for our industry and many others. But I legally I don't know enough about what just happened. [TS]
01:09:08 ◼ ► I don't have a good legal understanding of and I haven't been on the reading on it myself to read no appetite. [TS]
01:09:17 ◼ ► Well I just want to briefly add and then John all I ask for your two cents. There is somebody tweeted in output. [TS]
01:09:24 ◼ ► A link in the show notes and in the chat and this may not be the originator. The original instance of it. [TS]
01:09:38 ◼ ► and if you want really fast blah blah blah that's an additional fifteen dollars a month and it was. [TS]
01:09:46 ◼ ► Ominous sign of what Net neutrality could mean or the loss of Net Neutrality could mean for the future [TS]
01:09:53 ◼ ► and it was a really clever way to hammer home that if not all traffic is created equal that could lead to some very bad [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► things and it's very frightening and just like you said markets very very potentially dangerous for the industry. [TS]
01:10:05 ◼ ► Also I thought the Fred Wilson post was really good too Fred Wilson is a good you know know he's a he's a big investor.. [TS]
01:10:12 ◼ ► I actually know me really nice guy and his blog is a V.C. Dot com because he is a V.C. Anyway. [TS]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Of these the a radical future investor meetings where he's meeting some some you know young. [TS]
01:10:31 ◼ ► They're describing like oh well I I had this great idea for this new music startup where this is like a new streaming [TS]
01:10:37 ◼ ► service going to have these differences no streaming services and he's like sorry. [TS]
01:10:44 ◼ ► Oh and Spotify and beats of all paid all the telcos to get their transfers not count toward your data allotment. [TS]
01:10:53 ◼ ► No isn't a buyer service because it's going to count against their data so we were not going to fund you. [TS]
01:10:58 ◼ ► And I it's and that's going to happen with that kind of thing where it's not going to affect everything. [TS]
01:11:05 ◼ ► and transmitting text all around it's probably not be big enough to to matter get throttled like that [TS]
01:11:13 ◼ ► You know dramatically affect any kind of large transfers. Definitely would affect pod cast no question about it and. [TS]
01:11:23 ◼ ► and so there's there's that aspect is also one that I like a lot was met drench this piece on Apple outsider. [TS]
01:11:32 ◼ ► Where he also you not only does he go into all these other good ones the also says like you know there's also a problem. [TS]
01:11:43 ◼ ► but there's not really much of a reason for them to there's no business case for it so they probably aren't [TS]
01:11:55 ◼ ► And they would have business reasons to do it and so there's massive privacy implications for it as well [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► and so there's all these all these problems with. You know what. What a lack of net. All. [TS]
01:12:10 ◼ ► And you know the arguments about free markets and everything else. And you know the regulations benefits in some cases. [TS]
01:12:20 ◼ ► In most broadband markets and mobile the rules are different and I got enough about this to really talk at length [TS]
01:12:29 ◼ ► And you could look at that and say Well mobile is competition for the broadband which it is. [TS]
01:12:34 ◼ ► But you know as long as mobile data caps. Can be burned up with like watching Netflix for an hour. I don't think it's. [TS]
01:12:56 ◼ ► and THEIR OWN on demand video as people start cutting cable service to say oh well. I don't need to pay for your T.V. [TS]
01:13:07 ◼ ► and more really big business reasons to do evil crap like this to do things like throttle. Netflix throttle Skype. [TS]
01:13:16 ◼ ► You know all these all these you know I mean look at what happened with Vonage forever ago if that was one of these [TS]
01:13:29 ◼ ► You know you know we're Verizon we're Comcast reversion to be nice to our customers no they're going to screw you every [TS]
01:13:35 ◼ ► chance you possibly good I mean come on these companies. They have it in their D.N.A. [TS]
01:13:39 ◼ ► To be complete to everybody that's every company that's how companies work that's you know that's. [TS]
01:13:48 ◼ ► And so it would be foolish to think that if these companies were permitted to do stuff like this that they wouldn't do [TS]
01:13:55 ◼ ► and where you're going to turn there's nowhere to go there's chances are you know most people have at most two options [TS]
01:14:03 ◼ ► for their broadband at home. Usually. Usually you can choose between one cable company a Monday cell company in the U.S. [TS]
01:14:11 ◼ ► Some places a better some places are worse I think overall it's not that much better on average [TS]
01:14:18 ◼ ► Generally speaking you have between one and two broadband companies choose from in the U.S. And so. You know if and. [TS]
01:14:27 ◼ ► It most places those one or two at the same one or two like there's not that many bias P.S. [TS]
01:14:42 ◼ ► You know a quarter of the country or something it's a big number. And so this is a big deal and. [TS]
01:15:00 ◼ ► or completely impractical for the market to do of things that are best for the people for the best for the overall [TS]
01:15:18 ◼ ► And we need the government elation and it's not happening and that's really scary. As a. [TS]
01:15:22 ◼ ► The problem of net neutrality and experience this problem myself with trying to explain to my mother. [TS]
01:15:28 ◼ ► And for all the people are going to complain that I refuse my mother is an example. [TS]
01:15:32 ◼ ► And that's insulting because who's to say the mothers don't know stuff about technology I'm using my mother example as. [TS]
01:15:36 ◼ ► In this case and in many other cases because she's the one of my parents who is most interested in [TS]
01:15:43 ◼ ► So she's the one who's actually willing to entertain discussion with me about net neutrality. [TS]
01:15:51 ◼ ► It's not a hypothetical it's my actual mother and actually sponsor and that's the reason I explained to her [TS]
01:15:55 ◼ ► and now my followers I follow doesn't care doesn't know about it doesn't give a crap about it anyway. [TS]
01:16:02 ◼ ► And it's difficult in that image that Casey was talking about but showed the big price sheet of like. [TS]
01:16:11 ◼ ► and my impression was not that you get fast Netflix is like Oh so you on Netflix with the Internet that I'll be [TS]
01:16:15 ◼ ► hijacked and Ahlers Oh so you want to have you know. H.B.O. Go with that that'll be ten X. [TS]
01:16:28 ◼ ► It'll be this price and if you want to be a part of our premium package that's twelve dollars like buying a B.M.W. [TS]
01:16:32 ◼ ► You know you've got to get the. You know. The problem with that image as terrifying as it is to nerds. [TS]
01:16:43 ◼ ► Reich No it's terrible when you buy to be don't you understand and the television. It's terrible. [TS]
01:16:48 ◼ ► In some ways but on the other hand it also subsidizes a lot of channels that are good things about bundling [TS]
01:16:54 ◼ ► If you go from a situation like it's different because those are services that are being a bundled together [TS]
01:17:00 ◼ ► and a package of things that you have to pay for and all the things that the pay for this is basically thing a wire [TS]
01:17:05 ◼ ► and saying we're only going to let certain you know it's a negative instead of a positive only let certain things to [TS]
01:17:18 ◼ ► but that's not that's not selling providing access to the Internet that someone preventing you from having access in [TS]
01:17:35 ◼ ► and this is the difficulty I have trying to explain. Net neutrality to my mother or to anyone else. [TS]
01:17:44 ◼ ► when our Got to like this is the end of the Internet as we know it if you don't have an internet. Interconnected. [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► but instead have an interconnected series of toll booths that you have to pay money for for information to get one [TS]
01:17:57 ◼ ► birth you know that defeats the entire purpose of the Internet. And you know I speak don't want to be dumb pipes. [TS]
01:18:02 ◼ ► And we all want to be dumb pipes and that's the constant tension it's there between us and them [TS]
01:18:07 ◼ ► and the role of government regulation like. In any free market type system. It's not like. [TS]
01:18:26 ◼ ► and do those things that will cause incredible damage in the long run because that will make the most profits the you [TS]
01:18:35 ◼ ► If they will and net neutrality be they will make them more money we need to counterbalance that [TS]
01:18:39 ◼ ► and the counterbalance can't be other private market companies like the something someone said to me on Twitter. Well. [TS]
01:18:44 ◼ ► If I a speech do this won't other net neutral as pieces crop up to compete with them. [TS]
01:18:51 ◼ ► That's that's an interesting fantasy scenario but unfortunately with the exception of wireless. [TS]
01:18:57 ◼ ► and fiber optic cables going to be able to house is is the barrier to entry to say OK well Comcast is terrible [TS]
01:19:02 ◼ ► and Verizon is terrible. And they're all not neutral anymore. Longer start my own eyes P. [TS]
01:19:07 ◼ ► Great Well let me know when you run wires to everybody's house in the United States. [TS]
01:19:18 ◼ ► and again the regulations are different about divvying up spectrum between people in common carrier stuff in the same [TS]
01:19:23 ◼ ► thing with the wires this summer Galatians this area ready. But you can't rely on the private market. Not to to. [TS]
01:19:34 ◼ ► and if their companies they're trying to make more money that are not trying to be magnanimous or advance. [TS]
01:19:38 ◼ ► Civilization they're trying to make more profit so there needs to be a counterbalance that [TS]
01:19:42 ◼ ► and that's why all the nerds are helping the government fulfill its role as being a counterbalance to private industry [TS]
01:19:47 ◼ ► to prevent private industry. From doing what it does like those machines are aligned in a certain way to make money. [TS]
01:19:55 ◼ ► and do that right to the point where they start causing damage in the needs to be a counterbalance. [TS]
01:19:59 ◼ ► And it's just it's too esoteric and weird. And nerdy and even even if it's small the happens. [TS]
01:20:09 ◼ ► and everyone who was happening to were to simply accept it as the way things are until two generations from now. [TS]
01:20:16 ◼ ► and no more never put up a fuss is one of those type of things like you know a slow moving type of disaster where you [TS]
01:20:22 ◼ ► have to kind of be a little bit chicken little and say The sky is falling to get people's attention. [TS]
01:20:32 ◼ ► and be induced hope you know just like was just the way things are just the way things have always been a well. [TS]
01:20:37 ◼ ► You know I'm glad we don't have much say about this. Yeah let's talk about some of the time. [TS]
01:20:42 ◼ ► Well we weren't talking about the events regarding that a tragedy in general that concept [TS]
01:20:46 ◼ ► and that's I think that I think is enough you know he said talking about what happened in this court case there what [TS]
01:20:53 ◼ ► The concept of net neutrality concept that one computer can talk to another computer and send data through it [TS]
01:21:03 ◼ ► And it's undifferentiated and the one that there is flow through the tube like that doesn't sound like much [TS]
01:21:09 ◼ ► but if you take that away and turn into some crazy told to think it just destroys the whole endeavor. [TS]
01:21:24 ◼ ► Obviously still indirectly make my living on the Internet because the consulting that I do in my day job is all. [TS]
01:21:30 ◼ ► Web based. And even despite being slightly removed from all this. It absolutely scares me. [TS]
01:21:37 ◼ ► It petrifies me the thought of losing that neutrality and and. Net neutrality was the the great equalizer. [TS]
01:21:51 ◼ ► and David couldn't make a new blogging engine because they had the same right to the same pipes as everyone else did [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► That that's scary you know we're in such a wonderful time right now where anyone in a good while I guess you could [TS]
01:22:06 ◼ ► argue anyone in the garage can always do something credible but. But it's so much easier now I mean. [TS]
01:22:15 ◼ ► and three houses across eastern United States are able to reach tens of thousands of people on a weekly basis. [TS]
01:22:29 ◼ ► And just like Mark alluded to earlier you know imagine if we had to subsidize the three of us had to subsidize getting. [TS]
01:22:41 ◼ ► The show would be eighty percent chance if that were the case. And the funny thing is like. We already pay for that. [TS]
01:22:47 ◼ ► Like the cable companies of wanting wanting payments from like Verizon and from like you know Google and Apple [TS]
01:22:55 ◼ ► and Netflix the like that. Google and Apple enough likes are already paying to upload that data. [TS]
01:23:01 ◼ ► They're already paying for their data centers to have continued to all the big backbones. [TS]
01:23:12 ◼ ► and was unlimited this show it cost like a thousand dollars a month and BAM with a loan [TS]
01:23:16 ◼ ► and you know we already pay for that everyone already paid for their upstream band with [TS]
01:23:20 ◼ ► and the cable companies don't get that money directly you know they they are offering access to these big backbones [TS]
01:23:28 ◼ ► Unfortunately the details of how all of that works in the way peering through one's work [TS]
01:23:32 ◼ ► and who pays who in all the cases and everything but you know they didn't build that infrastructure. [TS]
01:23:39 ◼ ► but like they are offering you this product that's out there that everyone else is already paying to be into. [TS]
01:23:49 ◼ ► You know no one's ever had to pay for that before you to get to that final that last mile. [TS]
01:23:55 ◼ ► Like there's not a volume of water going through pipes like well a certain volume water goes through our pipes [TS]
01:24:00 ◼ ► and they wear down our pipes and we have maintenance for a valve when the pipes and. [TS]
01:24:08 ◼ ► Like once you have the equipment set up the amount of data going through it if it's anything less than a hundred [TS]
01:24:12 ◼ ► percent or. You know ninety percent of the capacity refusing one percent of the capacity of the hardware. [TS]
01:24:21 ◼ ► I guess and some are someone to write and say well the heat generated by fully stress right now to me like. [TS]
01:24:26 ◼ ► But it's not it's not the same as paying for like cars going over road cars destroyed roads as a go over them. Right. [TS]
01:24:38 ◼ ► and the marginal cost of putting extra day which is why they have these period grievances like well. [TS]
01:24:46 ◼ ► and you'll pay me into law work out there's all this strange kind of make believe money changing hands [TS]
01:24:52 ◼ ► or period it was just to make the entire internet work because the data has to change [TS]
01:24:56 ◼ ► and everyone is always jockeying for position of who can make a little bit more money off of this. [TS]
01:25:01 ◼ ► But in the end what we just wanted to be is the Internet this conceptual thinking of like i Cloud that is just giant [TS]
01:25:07 ◼ ► embellished term for this huge networks of computers and hardware and wires and software. [TS]
01:25:12 ◼ ► That is run by a giant nomination of people all trying to make with one big sort of emergent living entity called the [TS]
01:25:17 ◼ ► internet work where any computer can talk to any other computer of a has IP address. [TS]
01:25:24 ◼ ► And that's that's the system we're trying to preserve here and at every turn like companies are trying to say. [TS]
01:25:34 ◼ ► and like the worst argument of our brain is like the free market thinks the government regulation is bad you're [TS]
01:25:41 ◼ ► Marco talked about it before the Ninette neutral internet has been the largest driver of free market like capitalism [TS]
01:25:50 ◼ ► and economic growth that the world has ever seen. Like you know. Two guys start tumbler. [TS]
01:25:56 ◼ ► And it makes how many what is it. How many billion dollars to Yahoo pay for it or whatever. [TS]
01:26:06 ◼ ► and say oh well now only the big guys going to like you have destroyed so much more of the economy like yes you made [TS]
01:26:16 ◼ ► and market value that you've totally destroyed by not making it easy to enter this market like it's a. [TS]
01:26:23 ◼ ► To Pete for people to say government regulation is always bad free market is better because you know the Internet is [TS]
01:26:28 ◼ ► the free market is the most the thing that has enabled more businesses to spring into existence to add value to the [TS]
01:26:38 ◼ ► and to destroy that just so I speed can make more money it's so insane. And again this. [TS]
01:26:46 ◼ ► or care about it which is why fear every day that will never House say in laws in this area because no one understands [TS]
01:26:52 ◼ ► the issues involved. I don't know lawmakers though. If you look at the history of of actions taken by the F.C.C. [TS]
01:27:01 ◼ ► In the last fifteen twenty years like does not a lot of things in there that give you a lot of confidence they're going [TS]
01:27:11 ◼ ► It's too nuanced and so Terex and like and even less like Lawrence Lessig up there [TS]
01:27:16 ◼ ► and other people who are trying to explain it like they do such a good job explaining like Surely now you must [TS]
01:27:31 ◼ ► Well with that let's wrap and I thank flood two or three sponsors. Lynda dot com. Harvest and fracture. [TS]
01:27:39 ◼ ► And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. [TS]
01:27:51 ◼ ► It was accidental. John didn't believe Casey would count because it was accidental. It was accidental. [TS]
01:28:10 ◼ ► And if your choice there and he well you know says that that's keeping lists and the [TS]
01:28:22 ◼ ► and can't see Marco are limited by our study. Let's face it risky is as so I ended up on a sour note sorry about that. [TS]
01:28:47 ◼ ► I mean any discussion of technology in politics is going to be fat. Yes that's true. Oh it's so painful. [TS]
01:28:56 ◼ ► and all the after show too late matter is the for say the fun of the shows I think it's worth being an actual [TS]
01:29:05 ◼ ► Did you hear her ego or Tiki's discussion about this with I think it was just Mike that week. On the probably getting. [TS]
01:29:13 ◼ ► Last week or two weeks ago when he was last week. I'm still the middle the giant i Phone keynote up. [TS]
01:29:18 ◼ ► That's good I I'm kind of mad that we didn't think of doing that you know I know me too. [TS]
01:29:26 ◼ ► but I'll listen to exactly Well that's one of those things like when they. You know when they put that out there. [TS]
01:29:34 ◼ ► and I was skeptical I was like Man I gotta listen to a two hour plus pod cast come on I heard the F.O. You know. [TS]
01:29:42 ◼ ► You know I watched it like I don't need to watch this or listen to this. And I listen to it and it was so good and. [TS]
01:29:51 ◼ ► when you know that you don't need to worry about cutting your show any shorter like if people going to listen to it [TS]
01:29:56 ◼ ► and say wow that's like I'm kind of upset there's not more of that even after you know two hours and ten minutes [TS]
01:30:09 ◼ ► but caught that up so it was so annoyingly good number ily jealous and I'm bitter it wasn't us. [TS]
01:30:13 ◼ ► Because what was good about it was that they didn't just go through the Apple Keno [TS]
01:30:20 ◼ ► They they gave really good context of what the situation was at that time and right before that time. [TS]
01:30:31 ◼ ► And a lot of that stuff I had forgotten about you know like why some of the stuff was so impressive. [TS]
01:30:36 ◼ ► How you know how the room reacted to seeing like scrolling a table view for the first time by touch. [TS]
01:30:43 ◼ ► Like that was a big reaction like you think about it. Why that was a big reaction because of what. [TS]
01:30:55 ◼ ► The context they provided was was very very good and made it extremely listener bull and very interesting [TS]
01:31:01 ◼ ► and very upsetting when it ended even if you've heard the i Phone. You know the million million times before. [TS]
01:31:07 ◼ ► or opium on the show because they have their their history a lot of their history of like watching Apple has like [TS]
01:31:12 ◼ ► started around the time like that was that was an apple first you know you know that you kind of been doing this whole [TS]
01:31:19 ◼ ► As always I wanted all first like meat on the show to say well you know what enters the i Mac. Without a pedestal. [TS]
01:31:42 ◼ ► and realizing that realizing the written the depths of his his pop culture lack of knowledge that are all right. [TS]
01:31:59 ◼ ► Maybe your proximity to Marco is preventing you from engaging in the culture of producing entertainment. [TS]
01:32:14 ◼ ► and Apparently I don't watch any or I just watch the wrong T.V. And you're watching and C.I.S. [TS]
01:32:20 ◼ ► The senior citizens know what I did watch C.S.I. For a long time I know you're going to cause I was close. [TS]
01:32:31 ◼ ► Everywhere back it was born twenty years early to be watching Matlock injured. You're probably right back at her. [TS]
01:32:41 ◼ ► So the reason I brought up the problems in the ad pro. They had a good discussion. Last week where you know. [TS]
01:32:48 ◼ ► Federica teacher brought up the really good point is he's he's like the i Pad Pro. Like he is the i Pad per user. [TS]
01:32:55 ◼ ► He might be the only one I don't know maybe him a doctor during know he I don't think even use one anyway. [TS]
01:33:00 ◼ ► The the reason why so the rumors are that Apple's going to make a larger I've had maybe twelve point nine inches. [TS]
01:33:12 ◼ ► And the rumors are all really confused an inconsistent is to have this is going to also be a convertible. [TS]
01:33:21 ◼ ► You know an optional keyboard there it's one that would fold back like a convertible tablet [TS]
01:33:27 ◼ ► Tenor I.O.'s whether we'll have an Intel or an ARM processor whether has an ARM processor that runs. Oh S. Ten. [TS]
01:33:32 ◼ ► Who knows. And. And so the problem with all these rumors is that. And you know maybe the O. S. [TS]
01:33:42 ◼ ► but the problem is that the size of the i Pad is not really what the hell what's holding it back. [TS]
01:33:50 ◼ ► For most types of quote pro uses whatever that means with that whole discussion of what that. Even might mean. [TS]
01:33:57 ◼ ► The size of the holding it back there are uses of the i Pad where people want to bigger size like I had asked on [TS]
01:34:01 ◼ ► Twitter a couple of weeks ago when this for a first came out like. You know what. What a bigger I've had even solve. [TS]
01:34:14 ◼ ► Nobody I like my many or it was of course really you know a bunch of geeks follow me so now. It was that. [TS]
01:34:21 ◼ ► but it was also a lot of people who do music production in particular said that they would love a lot more screen space. [TS]
01:34:27 ◼ ► And so that and there's a few other. You know. Verticals like this where you know. More screen face would be nice. [TS]
01:34:34 ◼ ► On the i Pad and would be worth the extra size but for the most part I truly don't think it's mass market and. [TS]
01:34:48 ◼ ► What's holding back her usage and this is what they were talking about the prompt. Is I.O.'s. [TS]
01:34:56 ◼ ► And this is not an easy problem to solve this is like the multitasking system is really extremely rudimentary [TS]
01:35:08 ◼ ► Models and file storage and sharing data between applications and all that stuff is extremely primitive on I O. S. [TS]
01:35:16 ◼ ► and Says so limited. That's really most of the problem and if you're going to make a quote pro I.I.S. Device. [TS]
01:35:25 ◼ ► I.O.'s itself needs major changes and that's not going to happen quickly or easily [TS]
01:35:29 ◼ ► and many of those changes would actually make I.O.'s worse. At its core functions and so they probably aren't like. [TS]
01:35:36 ◼ ► I'm guessing that this kind of pro i O. S. Is probably not really happening. And I think. I think the pro. [TS]
01:35:43 ◼ ► The the i Pad Pro The pro. Super compact mac is the math book air. Super Committee. [TS]
01:35:50 ◼ ► Apple device I think it's the MacBook Air. I think. And we ran it about this before which I got some flack for but. [TS]
01:35:56 ◼ ► But action a process that's funny on the prom Federico was arguing with with a point that I didn't make [TS]
01:36:03 ◼ ► and he clarified that of the very beginning but most listeners I think missed that. [TS]
01:36:07 ◼ ► And so they were telling me oh he was he was ripping you a part of the problem he actually wasn't actually agree with [TS]
01:36:20 ◼ ► and having to jump through all the different hoops of balancing between ten different apps in these weird your all [TS]
01:36:25 ◼ ► schemes that are kind of have to gather and and try to share data and weird. You know. [TS]
01:36:32 ◼ ► If you're if you're doing jumping through all these hoops and doing all these weird hacks. [TS]
01:36:41 ◼ ► If what you want to do does not fit comfortably in an i Pad and eleven X. MacBook Air is really not that much bigger. [TS]
01:36:54 ◼ ► And it will last longer probably And you know it's. It's just like. I think the border is. [TS]
01:37:00 ◼ ► If you're if you are needing to use a keyboard. On the i Pad frequently like a ha. [TS]
01:37:06 ◼ ► If you're if you're buying a hardware keyboard. And using it frequently. You'll probably get a better served by a mac. [TS]
01:37:12 ◼ ► Say I want to say this for a regular show but you know our job it was the sole law [TS]
01:37:21 ◼ ► I have I actually have a quick thing to say about it as I think I'll sentence that again [TS]
01:37:29 ◼ ► Like I didn't hear anyone else say i Pad Pro when I talk about a hyper kind of up so dear is ago. [TS]
01:37:34 ◼ ► I don't remember how it came up but I mention that I'm very interested in a larger more powerful i Pad and. [TS]
01:37:40 ◼ ► You know I don't know if i said i Pad probably did because the obvious name for it. [TS]
01:37:45 ◼ ► Basically as soon as the first i Pad came out it way to blow before there was a mini. [TS]
01:37:56 ◼ ► And Marcus question Twitter reminded me of this because he was like Who the hell's asking for a bigger i Pad because [TS]
01:38:02 ◼ ► Mark was old now and he had forgotten or not listening that upset hypercritical right as far as I'm asking for. [TS]
01:38:16 ◼ ► and has nothing to do with these rumors bitched as many people point out could just be you know the new twelve inch [TS]
01:38:23 ◼ ► You can screen size rumors like Apple is ordering screens of excise there are four [TS]
01:38:31 ◼ ► and you know like it's been a new retina MacPro they're going to put seven of those screens together anyway. [TS]
01:38:36 ◼ ► Ignoring like that. Why do why do we care about and i Pad for a Why do I think this i Pad Pro thing and it's. [TS]
01:38:44 ◼ ► I US is in their user experience in the macro most people think everyone would agree on that which probably means that [TS]
01:38:51 ◼ ► I.O.'s or something like ice is the future of computing and if I was the future of computing or something like it. [TS]
01:38:56 ◼ ► That means that anything we can do on our mac today. Will want to do something that's more like I was in the future. [TS]
01:39:11 ◼ ► You're going to want to do more stuff with I was devices because I was the future. [TS]
01:39:15 ◼ ► I rest of Ice's are going to have to get both bigger and smaller probably not much smaller than they are now. [TS]
01:39:27 ◼ ► We will have to be able to do and i Pads because they're the future. So they're going to think a bigger. [TS]
01:39:31 ◼ ► They're going to have to get more powerful and yes they're going to get more capable [TS]
01:39:34 ◼ ► and that's it that's that's the calculus is you know how to say they're going to come out now or this year [TS]
01:39:37 ◼ ► or next year and I can't come out before until software changes of course all that is true [TS]
01:39:45 ◼ ► They're not coming back are not going to be a new device that comes out this more complicated than the Mac like to [TS]
01:39:54 ◼ ► and hopefully not get as complicated as the Mac like the whole Continuum I was someone I and [TS]
01:40:06 ◼ ► You're going to be able to do more stuff with it so the have to have a bigger more powerful one someday. [TS]
01:40:11 ◼ ► but I continue to wait for it because it's in there you see I asked to see the tablet I was shocked Well I can barely [TS]
01:40:19 ◼ ► I can imagine a future where I can do way more with this thing and that way more is going to require a bigger screen [TS]
01:40:26 ◼ ► and more power. And so that's that's that's my simple explanation for the i Pad Pro because it has to. [TS]
01:40:34 ◼ ► It will assume some of the mantle the knack of actually or will just go away and be replaced by something different [TS]
01:40:39 ◼ ► but it has to do you know tablet form factor has to do that and so it's going to bigger. [TS]
01:40:49 ◼ ► When i hear i Pad Pro with that indicates to me is that there's going to be a clear delineation between i Pad regular [TS]
01:40:55 ◼ ► and i Pad Pro be that much larger screen size which to me is a weak line and a dash line if you will [TS]
01:41:02 ◼ ► or much better much better processor much more RAM or a much bigger. It's got to have a bigger screens us. [TS]
01:41:09 ◼ ► But see I just I don't see why because one of the things that a mac can do that i OS devices can't do is a bunch of [TS]
01:41:16 ◼ ► stuff at once and a bunch of stuff at once means. The thing you're doing probably can't take up the entire screen and. [TS]
01:41:22 ◼ ► If you're going to divide the screen up in any possible way you need more screen. That's it. [TS]
01:41:27 ◼ ► But I was the sum of the beauty of I O. S. Is not being able to do more than one thing at once. True. All true. [TS]
01:41:34 ◼ ► Like I'm not saying that's going to go away saying well you wouldn't want to divvy up you like imagine giving up an i [TS]
01:41:40 ◼ ► Phone screen now you have to i Phone app side but know this too small right. And even a full size current i Pad screen. [TS]
01:41:49 ◼ ► But if you're going to be using a tablet device to like development like the new version of Xcode [TS]
01:41:53 ◼ ► and twenty twenty seven only runs on I O. Us right. You could want to see more than one thing at once. [TS]
01:41:59 ◼ ► And you need more screen space to do it the same reason we all have multiple windows on our Macs now we're not going to [TS]
01:42:04 ◼ ► be a multi window interface like that's too complicated right. But that's a continuum and you can. [TS]
01:42:09 ◼ ► If you want to do more stuff with i OS you need to see more things I want and you. [TS]
01:42:16 ◼ ► So I think it's inevitable that a certain point you need more screen space to do otherwise it was saying maximum to be [TS]
01:42:27 ◼ ► Well previously you couldn't do that and I was but now you can appreciate all you needed to mak do that [TS]
01:42:31 ◼ ► but now you can actually get away with it and I was we've already seen that happen in small degrees. [TS]
01:42:37 ◼ ► The only way we could ever do that and i OS is we need to be able to see more than one thing at once. [TS]
01:42:42 ◼ ► And we can't do that on existing screens eyes that we need a big screen and a new O.-S. and A new. [TS]
01:42:46 ◼ ► You know paradigm for how we're doing that whether it's the Windows eight way with Devean half [TS]
01:42:50 ◼ ► or like they've got to come up with some of that because the need to do more than one thing at once [TS]
01:42:57 ◼ ► Well but we've had throughout puting history we always had specialty devices that could do less. That were. [TS]
01:43:06 ◼ ► That still had a place in the market but they never took over so things like game console [TS]
01:43:10 ◼ ► or probably the best example of this. Where you have like no one with ever saying. [TS]
01:43:15 ◼ ► Eventually game console are going to be so good they going to replace computers. You're forgetting the goofy again. [TS]
01:43:24 ◼ ► The problem I see with with trying to make tablets replace computers the biggest problem by far is the same thing I was [TS]
01:43:33 ◼ ► On my blog which was horrible in two thousand and nine as Basically there are always rumors apples in a make a tablet. [TS]
01:43:45 ◼ ► Apple's going to have to solve the input problem because the biggest problem with tablets [TS]
01:43:55 ◼ ► And because you know you have this weird thing where like you know it's it's trying to do computer tasks but keyboards. [TS]
01:44:04 ◼ ► For tablets have always sucked. Unless they've been full on laptops or that do the convertible thing. [TS]
01:44:10 ◼ ► In which case they're big and kind of crappy tablets. And so what are they going to do to solve this. Right. [TS]
01:44:20 ◼ ► He just punted they basically said you know what version to keep the onscreen keyboard that we have in the i Phone And [TS]
01:44:25 ◼ ► that's going to work OK. And they did and it does it works OK. You know it's it doesn't work amazingly. [TS]
01:44:34 ◼ ► And there's a lot of things that people are demanding real keyboards for for very good reason because real keyboards [TS]
01:44:39 ◼ ► work way better. And so they didn't solve the problem the i Pad. That doesn't mean they ever will doesn't mean that. [TS]
01:44:48 ◼ ► Multitasking on a full on a full computer kind of requires good advanced fast input [TS]
01:44:54 ◼ ► and so you not only have to solve the keyboard problem of say an i Pad Pro wouldn't have a keyboard. [TS]
01:45:06 ◼ ► Because i OS doesn't and there was a discussion on a talk show this week about this too. [TS]
01:45:10 ◼ ► I.O.'s has is not built for a mouse cursor. A mouse cursor doesn't really. I mean you could. Like it. [TS]
01:45:19 ◼ ► It's very clearly not made for that the experience of using a hardware keyboard with an i Pad [TS]
01:45:25 ◼ ► and having to keep reaching up to the screen with your finger to touch things. Is really terrible. [TS]
01:45:29 ◼ ► And so there's there's these major major problems I.O.'s that they would have to solve the eval I mean it's a problem. [TS]
01:45:40 ◼ ► When trying to replace compares it is trying to take take some of the functionality that currently are cars computer [TS]
01:45:47 ◼ ► That's like this the history of I.O.'s and the i Pad things that previously required a computer and now feasible. [TS]
01:45:56 ◼ ► That's always been the case that Iowa has always been you know expanding its reach a little bit [TS]
01:46:00 ◼ ► but there are these major barriers that it doesn't really easily cross. Because of things like input and multitasking. [TS]
01:46:08 ◼ ► Yeah I mean the multitasking problem is not technically difficult but you are wise [TS]
01:46:11 ◼ ► but like I think it has to happen because the alternative is relegating the human race to have to use. [TS]
01:46:20 ◼ ► and they're just too complicated very ill be able to use like they're just the window to interface with file system [TS]
01:46:28 ◼ ► We all think it's great it will always exist for expert users but humanity has voted. [TS]
01:46:33 ◼ ► And they want things that they can touch that are not as complicated. And so we are tasked with you know. [TS]
01:46:39 ◼ ► We have to find a way to make more things possible with the things that people actually want to use that are harder to [TS]
01:46:44 ◼ ► screw up like that's just progress like make it so it's not so complicated as not so much knows it's harder to break. [TS]
01:46:51 ◼ ► Like we've done that with i OS we've done that by shedding almost everything that you know that you can do with the [TS]
01:47:04 ◼ ► Will need another reboot and let's try this again and start over with a different paradigm. Sometime in the future. [TS]
01:47:08 ◼ ► But I think this is a. What's going to happen is our opportunities to take it to make I was more capable. [TS]
01:47:21 ◼ ► and we not need a mouse we don't like to reach up for the thing like you want to have an on our lap they want to have a [TS]
01:47:26 ◼ ► better virtual keyboard it is like. I don't know what the solutions are to these things but like. [TS]
01:47:30 ◼ ► Baby baby steps would just be you know Windows eight is already doing it with like if you've got a big enough screen. [TS]
01:47:35 ◼ ► Sometimes you want to see a Twitter app on the side by your working other app or something you want to copy [TS]
01:47:39 ◼ ► and paste from one after the other about doing a switch type thing like larger screen being able to see more in thing [TS]
01:47:48 ◼ ► Can open up lots of functionality that I haven't listened to the start of the podcast or talking about. [TS]
01:47:54 ◼ ► and I soon they're complaining about us like look I just want to do a simple workflow [TS]
01:47:57 ◼ ► or I've got like a graphic get it or in some links in a web page and I'm writing text like you know. Just blogging. [TS]
01:48:04 ◼ ► But you have all those things kind of in play at once versus trying to do and I was [TS]
01:48:08 ◼ ► and you feel like you conflicts watching stuff that as a semantical barrier with some clever. [TS]
01:48:17 ◼ ► and just keeping with our fingers just being able to like do a simple blog post synthesizing from some graphics [TS]
01:48:23 ◼ ► and text and links and stuff. That's like. That's our next step. See I don't think that's the next step. [TS]
01:48:33 ◼ ► but just in better interact mean occasion because if you look at what the T.G. Is doing with X. Callback U.R.L. and. [TS]
01:48:46 ◼ ► I feel like if that was less user hostile in it will probably always be a power user sort of thing to do. [TS]
01:48:54 ◼ ► But just a less user hostile way of doing things like whatever the Android does or like Windows phones. [TS]
01:49:04 ◼ ► It is now but as it is intense on Android I think in contract and when is a right. Oh it isn't OK. [TS]
01:49:09 ◼ ► That I think you're right now they say that it doesn't matter that you get the idea. [TS]
01:49:16 ◼ ► But it would enable us to do a lot of things like if you're doing a blog post yes it would be in a perfect world nice [TS]
01:49:25 ◼ ► On the left hand side of a landscape screen and your your editor window on the right. But to be honest. [TS]
01:49:31 ◼ ► You know using your four fingers on an i Pad has to shimmy back and forth between apps [TS]
01:49:48 ◼ ► I'd rather do that then have some crazy scheme of having our No two i Phone app side by side or. [TS]
01:49:57 ◼ ► You know or something or something where the screen a split in half if it seems to me like that would be not not fun [TS]
01:50:04 ◼ ► but we're talking about the same things that the plumbing that would have done printer been all this display issues are [TS]
01:50:09 ◼ ► kind of. Neither here nor there because again the same the same ability to do more than one thing. [TS]
01:50:16 ◼ ► Would still probably exist on the full size I thought even though they would probably never want to split that screen. [TS]
01:50:21 ◼ ► Like it's the plumbing that makes it work it's just that when you have more screen space. [TS]
01:50:30 ◼ ► or twenty one inches under the monitor is there a way bigger than a preview better like. [TS]
01:50:34 ◼ ► and you got twenty one is you need see the Windows user their new twenty one inch monitor like. [TS]
01:50:37 ◼ ► This is awesome to have a gigantic monitor and then they would take the notepad window and zoom it to full screen. [TS]
01:50:43 ◼ ► Fill their entire screen there would be like a text to be a little call never left [TS]
01:50:49 ◼ ► I think you're missing the advantage of having a larger monitor it's not so you could take all your good thing window [TS]
01:50:54 ◼ ► the making huge because I mean people would eventually learn if it wrapping wasn't on that trying to read a lot of text [TS]
01:50:59 ◼ ► that gets two feet wide. Is not comfortable. Like there's a comfortable with for a column of Texas you can your. [TS]
01:51:05 ◼ ► And then once you've made it narrow What are you going to of all you can put something else in that space like. [TS]
01:51:09 ◼ ► And that's why I'm game night i Pad probably not that is what everyone's going to use instead of a P.C. [TS]
01:51:13 ◼ ► or Not that everyone who has an i Pad is going to get one. Just that they will exist. [TS]
01:51:27 ◼ ► Imagine architects drafting table with a keyboard in front of it where it's all flat you're not reaching up at a screen [TS]
01:51:33 ◼ ► Like there are endeavors that you might be able to do worry like this is less complicated than a mac [TS]
01:51:38 ◼ ► and I can get all the same things done and once you get a larger screen like that you know like well. [TS]
01:51:43 ◼ ► You know all the plumbing is there I could do this with a forefinger swipe or whatever [TS]
01:51:53 ◼ ► But sometimes I just want to see more than one thing at so they have to come up with some solution that [TS]
01:51:59 ◼ ► and we're just making the same stuff come back that we had before so I don't know what the solution is. [TS]
01:52:04 ◼ ► But I think that's that's inevitable. If we ever want to leave behind the crappy things the that our computers. [TS]
01:52:15 ◼ ► and some around that will still be the all the single screen phone that will still be the regular size I present all. [TS]
01:52:19 ◼ ► people use. I'm just thinking of and that's the reason the pro is the name. The the i Pad Pro used by three D. [TS]
01:52:27 ◼ ► Modelers graphic designers people doing page layout of pages still exist anywhere maybe a few people doing web [TS]
01:52:37 ◼ ► Hell maybe you could have one of the other windows could be your simulator. While you do real time updates and X. [TS]
01:52:45 ◼ ► and you watch the the changes take effect in real time on the other things like you had it [TS]
01:52:48 ◼ ► and then a programming language but not really going to what be very cool. But doesn't the. The move for O.-S. [TS]
01:53:01 ◼ ► And how that that support is gotten a lot better in Mavericks. And it's actually kind of usable now. [TS]
01:53:14 ◼ ► and I know I'm harping on something that I really shouldn't harp on but I just don't see how any sort of [TS]
01:53:26 ◼ ► Like O.S.'s trying to become my more I was like and I was just trying to do more things that previously only O. [TS]
01:53:36 ◼ ► and how that will go one like it I think my impression is that it's harder to make a macro is ten simpler Austin [TS]
01:53:42 ◼ ► simpler than it is to make I was more capable so I would imagine that's why I think the future is making I was more [TS]
01:53:47 ◼ ► capable and not. We can simplify us ten till it's just a simple virus you'll never do it nor should you ever. [TS]
01:53:53 ◼ ► It would just be a disaster better to start with what you were so smart to start really simple and I O. S. [TS]
01:54:02 ◼ ► and Austin is a great example to go like now we've made it simpler No you've actually just made it more complicated [TS]
01:54:08 ◼ ► because it could be left all the existing ones because you can't get rid of the existing windowing system and. [TS]
01:54:12 ◼ ► But now you have another mode to go into and I us to have the opportunity to do something better [TS]
01:54:19 ◼ ► and I'm not sure what it is or how to work but it can't be like less than Windows. So it seems like the kind of jobs. [TS]
01:54:31 ◼ ► For the mac to become more or less like for us to you know get better but for the most part.. [TS]
01:54:43 ◼ ► And it seems like you know now in the Tim Cook era. And the restructuring of the divisions. [TS]
01:54:50 ◼ ► It seems like Apple is has become more confident in keeping the mac. The MAC and not trying to make the mac. I O. S. [TS]
01:55:01 ◼ ► and John you've you've kind of been on this to like all this talk about these two like you know merging eventual E. [TS]
01:55:08 ◼ ► Has this built in assumption that that would be a good idea and that's inevitable. [TS]
01:55:12 ◼ ► And I would question both of those things. I would say that you know. We saw what happened when. [TS]
01:55:24 ◼ ► And everything you're talking about about what I.O.'s would need to become more pro. [TS]
01:55:34 ◼ ► Well I mean it's it's like I said the mavericks of you with picking the right things what they what the forestall jobs [TS]
01:55:43 ◼ ► They pick some of the right things like the right things they did pick. We like for example. [TS]
01:55:49 ◼ ► The App Store is a better way to deal with you know ignoring like the policy stuff just in terms of the mechanics of [TS]
01:55:58 ◼ ► The app store away than it used to be where you go to Web page download a D.M.G. Amount of all. [TS]
01:56:02 ◼ ► That's a simple the case in that came from my it doesn't necessarily have to look like I was a work the same way the [TS]
01:56:07 ◼ ► finder is need to be replaced with. You know Launch Pad Mini with little shaky icons and excellent did that too. [TS]
01:56:13 ◼ ► But the key feature is dealing with installing applications is a pain in the but it's not a pain in the butt [TS]
01:56:24 ◼ ► It's just about picking the right thing so if you're going to go the other direction say we want to make I was more [TS]
01:56:37 ◼ ► Can I can I instruct someone over the phone on how to purchase and install an application on a Mac. [TS]
01:56:42 ◼ ► Previously you could it's. Now you can write a good job on install. Not great right. You know. [TS]
01:56:50 ◼ ► The like is just a tiny little bit like it's what I keep talking about falling off the Russian rough edges of all US [TS]
01:56:56 ◼ ► All the parts of it that are like complicated in ways that normal people shouldn't have to care about need to go away. [TS]
01:57:05 ◼ ► and we need to make this application look like an address book as it looks like that and I was [TS]
01:57:09 ◼ ► and it's like no that's not that's not the important part of you know the important part of like seamless data sinking [TS]
01:57:14 ◼ ► through the cloud and blah blah and they kind of screwed that right but yeah it's. [TS]
01:57:18 ◼ ► It's difficult it's not saying it's an easy job that's what they have to do pick the right things the right [TS]
01:57:26 ◼ ► Shouldn't be carried over in some of them have to be done in a different way on the target platform. See. [TS]
01:57:43 ◼ ► I think there's instrumental differences in attempting to merge I mean look at Windows all you know you're not going to [TS]
01:57:49 ◼ ► Yeah I'm no one as I don't think anyone's argument you're going to both of these will go away [TS]
01:57:52 ◼ ► and they were replaced by one thing like that's not going to happen because if you didn't replace it by one thing it [TS]
01:57:56 ◼ ► would have to be one thing that has so many different modes that it access to different things like what's the point of [TS]
01:58:03 ◼ ► I could you could just right now make up a new brand name and apply it to both of us ten [TS]
01:58:07 ◼ ► and I was a hey we're unified It's one operating system just when you install it on your MCE looks different [TS]
01:58:12 ◼ ► and behave totally different. You're right it's exactly like Windows eight weathers the desktop version. [TS]
01:58:16 ◼ ► And then this metro thing over there. And that's that's not useful to anybody. I think if. If both platforms. [TS]
01:58:32 ◼ ► Nerds power users I think everyone is better off because I don't think. Trying to merge these two platforms together. [TS]
01:58:39 ◼ ► Is possible to do well you know. But I think it's the in the things they're doing now. [TS]
01:58:44 ◼ ► Of making the max employer and making I was more capable. Is the right thing to do. [TS]
01:58:53 ◼ ► Some thought they tried to make the next employer in ways that were not appropriate. [TS]
01:58:55 ◼ ► I mean and the jury's still out on a lot of them like autosave and stuff like kind of the right idea. [TS]
01:59:00 ◼ ► Kind of not the best implementation but like. In general I. I agree with their motivation and what I owe us. [TS]
01:59:11 ◼ ► and i OS seven right like they're doing it in a little bits and with and with some dead ends and you know like copy [TS]
01:59:20 ◼ ► Kind of you know you did that right but there was something you needed like. Baby steps. Sometimes that NS retreat. [TS]
01:59:27 ◼ ► Figure out what you did wrong try again. And you know the big reset with i OS seven is another opportunity. [TS]
01:59:33 ◼ ► If and when they come out with something like an i Pad Pro and try to enhance I.O.'s to make it a worthwhile product. [TS]
01:59:39 ◼ ► They'll screw up something about it. They'll make it more complicated than it should be the have to. You know I mean. [TS]
01:59:43 ◼ ► Like the multitasking switch or it's like. That wasn't a great multitasking switcher. [TS]
01:59:49 ◼ ► But the idea that you would want to switch applications and that someone could be running. [TS]
01:59:54 ◼ ► or back around apps like that concept was good they just had to figure out the right time to do it the best way to do [TS]
01:59:58 ◼ ► it maybe the current implementation is not great but like they're going in the right direction. [TS]
02:00:03 ◼ ► In small pieces and that's look. I look down the line at that. And you're right in there I never see one zero S. [TS]
02:00:09 ◼ ► Going on on everything because it doesn't make any sense they would have to be such an incredibly capable as to scale [TS]
02:00:17 ◼ ► But these two products should evolve to adopt each other's benefits to the degree that it's possible an appropriate. [TS]
02:00:26 ◼ ► And we actually done now. Marco want to put this topic in the show called Marcos fault. [TS]
02:00:33 ◼ ► God is so mean you just wait until I talk about A.V. Receivers have a time of it all just when we doing that. [TS]
02:00:44 ◼ ► Why not good you guys a Google fireworks factory now you probably didn't know what the hell he's talking about on their [TS]
02:00:54 ◼ ► Not all my pop culture references from The Simpsons but ninety percent of them are. [TS]
02:01:14 ◼ ► What the hell was THAT WERE was I when that happened. There was no instead of the facility I kept a title. [TS]
02:01:22 ◼ ► It's a terrible title but a great compliment this is not an accident. It was no accident. For somebody X. [TS]
02:01:36 ◼ ► I need some time to commiserate times have you said that I don't they just boggles my mind boggles my mind. [TS]
02:01:44 ◼ ► Yep my part it's this should be on everyone's bigger boards. Do you see what I'm dealing with. [TS]
02:01:55 ◼ ► I mean not that much older than you as you have no excuses no excuse. John. Trolling you might be my theory. [TS]
02:02:06 ◼ ► If you start trolling me it would work because like yours your actual Your actual lack of knowledge about pop culture. [TS]
02:02:17 ◼ ► but I lie just to annoy you was like well it's no worse than the ones you haven't legitimately seen so it's not even [TS]
02:02:22 ◼ ► letting that effective trolling through. But it is there movie you can pretend to not have seen that is more. [TS]
02:02:30 ◼ ► That is more implausible to the movie of actually not seeing Forest Gump. Part. No one likes Forrest Gump. Yeah. [TS]
02:02:39 ◼ ► Speaking of the number fresh listen to Marco he was saying that he had seen the stars it was like Marco was in Star [TS]
02:02:44 ◼ ► Wars I was so proud of you. Yeah. Course although I have not seen any Harry Potters and a lot of the Rings. [TS]
02:02:50 ◼ ► You're not missing anything on the Lord Of The Rings I'll tell you that right now. [TS]
02:02:52 ◼ ► No Star Trek's I was never a Star Trek guy so. The Aerostar tricks and your. Yeah. I've seen bits and pieces the T.V. [TS]
02:03:03 ◼ ► I see I was a religious next generation San next generation excuse me I'm already making myself some terrible. [TS]
02:03:09 ◼ ► Already controlling. I know I'm showing myself. And John. And then. I watched all of the movies. [TS]
02:03:16 ◼ ► Up through like the second or third next generation one if you know which one it was that was the last one. [TS]
02:03:21 ◼ ► But I know enough to know that the even so the goods and the journo good. Debatable you should watch the J.J. [TS]
02:03:28 ◼ ► Abrams Star Trek movies they're following sorry I have seen the new ones those are those are very good. [TS]
02:03:34 ◼ ► I was talking about like the writer it was Star Trek Generations I think his last one I saw [TS]
02:03:39 ◼ ► and then there were like four that were the next generation. Cast staff whatever you wanna call him. [TS]
02:03:45 ◼ ► And I missed those last four or whatever was missing too much. And I didn't think you watch the T.V. [TS]
02:03:52 ◼ ► Series sections so you can imagine that crew was not really cut out for action movies. Now. [TS]
02:03:57 ◼ ► I mean I love the show Don't get me wrong. But A You're right they're not going to fraction. [TS]
02:04:04 ◼ ► So I'm going through the the podcast by Lex and damn morn cult not playing where they go through. [TS]
02:04:12 ◼ ► They go through movies that like everyone has seen that Lex and then more and have not seen [TS]
02:04:19 ◼ ► Well they did manic and I don't think that the movie ever. Yeah I haven't seen OK I'm looking through here. [TS]
02:04:25 ◼ ► So Beverly Hills Cop I've never seen that hard won I don't think I've seen that you've seen some of the recent one. [TS]
02:04:33 ◼ ► U.H.F. I did see U.H.F. You're going to drink from the Far as I write it I hated it but I did see it. Field of Dreams. [TS]
02:04:44 ◼ ► Here and there but I haven't seen the whole thing I think. I've never seen a mannequin definitely not. [TS]
02:04:49 ◼ ► I think I saw that when I was a kid and had inappropriate feelings about it if memory serves sort of LAX [TS]
02:04:55 ◼ ► and Lethal Weapon definitely not lethal weapon I've seen. All I've seen on lethal weapons all the Beverly Hills cops. [TS]
02:05:03 ◼ ► Once the field of dreams never seen you in your Jeff I don't think I've ever seen of course of seen Die Hard [TS]
02:05:14 ◼ ► And I don't know how this is how John strolling you commonly off the titles try to think you know that you are the one [TS]
02:05:20 ◼ ► looking through the playing I haven't listened good. I don't listen to the capital and under the commentary and. [TS]
02:05:29 ◼ ► I'm a big fan of Romeo and Syracuse yet although it will have to as deliver mail correctly which. [TS]
02:05:34 ◼ ► Was people's but I had to look it up and I tweeted about excited made a guess and I was wrong. Stupid name. Not a word. [TS]
02:05:43 ◼ ► And I think they were roaming it's on your do you leave your room and you can roam over your house and the Internet. [TS]