The Accidental Tech Podcast

52: Necessary But Not Sufficient


00:00:00   I'm drinking tea tonight I think Diggnation [TS]

00:00:04   it's like if not I know it's not actually the nineties but that's like [TS]

00:00:08   the nineties equivalent of internetworld Diggnation yeah yeah so you guys really [TS]

00:00:16   mean casey you really honestly don't know Diggnation is or was I heard of it [TS]

00:00:20   but I never paid attention to it did you use a computer in 2006 [TS]

00:00:25   have we not already completely established that both of us myself [TS]

00:00:30   especially have no knowledge of anything that either view considers worthwhile I [TS]

00:00:35   guess but i mean you're you're least a nice guy [TS]

00:00:37   established it was like me and then you too and in another camp over there ya [TS]

00:00:43   dig nation was a podcast so let's talk about Facebook paper yeah I talked about [TS]

00:00:50   last week that was the start of a movie in the crash and all those bad things [TS]

00:00:53   and we talked for about the app itself but I haven't really used it for more [TS]

00:00:58   than a couple seconds so after podcast are some time in the past week I tried [TS]

00:01:03   to use it some are footing around doing stuff and it keeps interrupting me with [TS]

00:01:09   Mike video and audio instructions to tell me what I should do in any given [TS]

00:01:14   screen like it's bad enough when you get the coach marks you know like that like [TS]

00:01:17   the iPhoto style thing I would ever wear or sometimes on startup and sometimes at [TS]

00:01:20   the head of the bottom of the show sort of black magic marker kind of drawings [TS]

00:01:24   with arrows like someone wrote on your screen like it's a whiteboard and Comic [TS]

00:01:28   Sans text telling you like this is worse because its audio it's like you soon [TS]

00:01:34   you're trying to use your thing and someone starts talking to you in this [TS]

00:01:36   little animation come the screen swipe to the right to get to the next thing [TS]

00:01:40   it's like okay alright whenever you don't know what to do to make it going [TS]

00:01:44   is no excerpt presidency it's like do I have to do is telling me but eventually [TS]

00:01:49   goes away I'm like ok I'll tell you this I go to the next screen it says you can [TS]

00:01:52   move this up for like no stop talking to me stop its I know it's trying to be [TS]

00:01:57   helpful but now I think it's over the line of like it maybe some [TS]

00:02:02   would find a startup animation or movie interesting or charming for the very [TS]

00:02:06   first time you launch the app never see it again but if it's like this like a [TS]

00:02:09   pause is like now you get to use the app and you start using it and then it says [TS]

00:02:13   by the way I'm still here this disembodied voices animations and then [TS]

00:02:17   it goes away again and keep using the app and then you are in another new [TS]

00:02:20   screening nothing pops up that really really bothered me and I think that is [TS]

00:02:24   it's trying to be helpful but it's failing it's like the worst kind of help [TS]

00:02:29   if I had asked for that if I asked for a guided tour sure but if I'm just you [TS]

00:02:33   know if I think i've i've passed through the front door of the splash screen and [TS]

00:02:37   I'm really using the app and keeps interrupting me no good so I get a big [TS]

00:02:41   thumbs down [TS]

00:02:42   it seems like these I mean you know we're in this area now [TS]

00:02:47   of these very highly progressive experimental gesture-based interfaces [TS]

00:02:52   and so many apps really mostly on iOS let's be honest but you know so many iOS [TS]

00:02:57   apps and I kind of feel like you know gestural interfaces are are really [TS]

00:03:03   appealing to designers because they can look amazing they can be really cool [TS]

00:03:08   users who get used to them can love them but it's it's really really hard have [TS]

00:03:15   any kind of affordances that also look good and that that are discoverable and [TS]

00:03:20   so you end up needing things like this on any like you know people universally [TS]

00:03:27   I've heard people love paper this paper they're not the ideal of the other one [TS]

00:03:33   kind of in the lesson ever heard of but they love this one [TS]

00:03:37   the Facebook one and a lot of that is because it has this this like new [TS]

00:03:42   experimental you know progressive gestural interface but if you have to [TS]

00:03:47   tell people how to use it with these things like to me that that's just so [TS]

00:03:51   annoying its actual its actual failure of design really and I wonder like their [TS]

00:03:59   periods in in software fashion where you can point to really tacky things that [TS]

00:04:04   worked that kind of like where I conduct of that era like the flash inter [TS]

00:04:09   appeared on websites [TS]

00:04:10   you know or in this or clipe in Microsoft Office and I wonder if this [TS]

00:04:16   this is that thing for our current era is like that the stupid over later you [TS]

00:04:21   have to show a little tutorial videos a little little interest you have to show [TS]

00:04:25   on on gesture-based iOS apps because nobody could figure out of looking at [TS]

00:04:30   them what to do and I wonder if we're ever gonna move past that I mean this is [TS]

00:04:33   this is a big problem in all gesture-based interfaces because the NHS [TS]

00:04:39   a keyboard shortcuts gestures are are just as discoverable as keyboard [TS]

00:04:42   shortcuts for the most part actually in some laser little bit less but there's [TS]

00:04:47   no there's no list at least you can open the menu new can eventually some people [TS]

00:04:53   figure out the whole thing is next to the commands tell you the keeper target [TS]

00:04:56   anyway so you know I wonder I wonder if we're gonna move past this really and [TS]

00:05:02   and how long will it be until we look at an app like this that that is so like [TS]

00:05:08   you know to cleverly designed for its own could almost it it's so it's so [TS]

00:05:13   different from what we have both had before that it has to have all these [TS]

00:05:16   overlays and he's helped dialogues which we've seen in a paper for the last few [TS]

00:05:21   years but it just seems like a really bad hack it seems like a really terrible [TS]

00:05:25   design flaw to have to require these things [TS]

00:05:29   papers the first one to interrupt to me like I'm used to having it be something [TS]

00:05:34   you go through an initial launch or having to be something you asked for on [TS]

00:05:37   demand not used to thinking I'm through with that part of the first launch [TS]

00:05:41   experience proceeding to use the app and then having it come back [TS]

00:05:45   unprompted and say I've gotta tell you something else now and then have you go [TS]

00:05:49   away again and then having it come back like that it's it's not even so much the [TS]

00:05:53   audio and video that is great it's the if the idea that you're never free of it [TS]

00:05:57   like I know how long it goes on to say keep reminding you when does it decide [TS]

00:06:00   that I've that I know that you swipe up to do this thing or swipe left and right [TS]

00:06:03   to do that [TS]

00:06:04   think that that's terrible but for the gestural you eyes I think one of the [TS]

00:06:10   problems I don't think people really solves this is you really need to have [TS]

00:06:14   some kind of model doesn't necessarily have to be physical model but it has to [TS]

00:06:19   be a model that matches up with most of users mentally where [TS]

00:06:23   the motions being something can have some sort of connection and it's really [TS]

00:06:29   difficult to do that i mean you can see it in the border in paper and other apps [TS]

00:06:33   so paper like left and right is how you go through things and that's alright so [TS]

00:06:38   they lined up left to right to go from side to side that's that in itself is a [TS]

00:06:41   little weird because most of us use the vertical scrolling but it's growing but [TS]

00:06:44   I can handle that but then they have the thing we're like folds over itself when [TS]

00:06:47   you push upwards to see like if you want to see more on this limbo like this [TS]

00:06:51   little panel folds down and there's no sort of analog in real life certainly [TS]

00:06:55   not in the physical world and not many computer you eyes that would indicate to [TS]

00:06:58   you that that is a memorable motion for Argo push-up push down on that doesn't [TS]

00:07:02   that you really need to have some kind of connection to hang onto the only way [TS]

00:07:07   you can get away with not doing that is if it's that people use obsessively and [TS]

00:07:11   constantly and they'll just learning because I use it all the time and maybe [TS]

00:07:15   Facebook has that going for that people can use it all time and eventually those [TS]

00:07:17   motions but it becomes second nature kind of like your favorite Twitter app [TS]

00:07:20   everybody knows is which way slide to to see the conversation is in which way [TS]

00:07:25   slide 2 replies and it's different in different order after whichever one you [TS]

00:07:28   use all the time you get used to it but it really helps to have a physical model [TS]

00:07:33   kind of like the webOS cards metaphor or the the iOS 7 task switcher where you [TS]

00:07:40   can kind of envisioned them as individual entities that you can throw [TS]

00:07:43   off the screen or something like that some kind of thing to hang your hat on [TS]

00:07:46   his otherwise I imagine if every app was like paper I think eventually you get [TS]

00:07:50   confused and your thumb would be like oh I thought it was slight left but a slide [TS]

00:07:54   right and you don't have to think about an unconscious level and you like what [TS]

00:07:57   is slide up in this app is that show more detailers that get rid of this item [TS]

00:08:00   and how do I get back to where I was that slide to leftward I pulled down and [TS]

00:08:04   you only have a few access to work with and especially this whole screen grab [TS]

00:08:08   the whole thing gestures is this really you know it's everybody fighting over up [TS]

00:08:12   left right and down known as the guts to really do 45 degree angle 40 bucks the [TS]

00:08:17   rectangle but anyway no worries have the guts to do it specific angles but I mean [TS]

00:08:21   eventually maybe that's going to come it's gonna be a revolutionary new thing [TS]

00:08:23   not only can you fold it up and make some new panel come out and fold it down [TS]

00:08:26   to make it up over and pulled it left to right to make twisty slide but 45 that [TS]

00:08:30   folds up into little Swan and flies away [TS]

00:08:32   it's really difficult than I i wud contested since I use enough different [TS]

00:08:38   Twitter apps and app that net apps and everything that occasion I do flick [TS]

00:08:41   their own direction so I wanted reply but I got show conversation because it's [TS]

00:08:45   different in different apps and there's nothing particularly writer lefty about [TS]

00:08:49   show conversation in reply [TS]

00:08:50   you know physically speaking yeah what's this route metrics thing that one of you [TS]

00:08:57   added I glanced at this earlier and it actually very interesting but their [TS]

00:09:01   member on the last show I think I mentioned about Google like a project to [TS]

00:09:06   do with all its Android phones is it could measure the you know the signal [TS]

00:09:10   strength in the data throughput of various ISPs in the report that back to [TS]

00:09:14   Google so you have an idea of like if I live in his exact spot in this house and [TS]

00:09:21   I work in this building right here what service has the best throughput and the [TS]

00:09:25   best reliability and you know like that type of information as the only [TS]

00:09:29   information you can get if you have tons and tons of people all over the country [TS]

00:09:32   in various locations because you can't just have like one person each city you [TS]

00:09:36   really wanna know specific data and after mentioning the show someone whose [TS]

00:09:40   name I lost sorry sent me the URL this place called metrics and this is [TS]

00:09:45   apparently company and that's what they do they send people around to test the [TS]

00:09:49   connectivity various different ISPs from different places all over the United [TS]

00:09:55   States and I guess also the UK and they said they've driven over a hundred and [TS]

00:09:59   thirty-two thousand miles and done [TS]

00:10:01   3.5 million tests you can look at their website its route metrics dot com [TS]

00:10:06   they're not a sponsor I read through their methodology and their claims that [TS]

00:10:10   it seems like they're doing it right [TS]

00:10:12   like the not affiliated with any network as far as I can tell if they are they're [TS]

00:10:14   hiding it very well and they they try to be objective [TS]

00:10:18   make sure they have enough samples to be statistically sound so apparently is a [TS]

00:10:24   good idea in someone's are you doing it so if you want to find out I guess you [TS]

00:10:27   go to this website I had exploded website enough to know is this an app I [TS]

00:10:30   downloaded a service I sign up for whatever it is it seems like they have a [TS]

00:10:35   nap so it says that they have driven actually 540,000 miles they've tested [TS]

00:10:42   937 markets well I'm assuming that means they have done that but additionally you [TS]

00:10:47   can download their app into a test and I'm assuming that's how they aggregate [TS]

00:10:51   all of all of the consumer information like you were describing is that the [TS]

00:10:56   ideas all download this app ballroom all tests are reporting that I wanna meet in [TS]

00:11:00   C and they will add that to their database info and they point out the [TS]

00:11:05   things they don't do user surveys asking people how they think the conductivity [TS]

00:11:09   is because that would be terrible and they emphasized that they have people [TS]

00:11:13   look at the statistics and making sure that they've achieved a proper level [TS]

00:11:17   significance and all the goods from from the five minute I spend on the website [TS]

00:11:21   look it looked interesting I'm glad someone is doing that right next I had [TS]

00:11:27   this iPad pros listener Mike Z wrote in asking you know we were talking about [TS]

00:11:34   the iPad pro and moving towards needs of their people and everything else has to [TS]

00:11:38   get better and Mike Z said are you sure that usability is infinitely approval [TS]

00:11:43   one of computers including mobile platforms just aren't for everyone and I [TS]

00:11:49   thought this was worth considering because it we have faced a similar issue [TS]

00:11:53   with programming languages and programming in general where for a while [TS]

00:11:59   especially late nineties even before that really but for a while they were [TS]

00:12:03   these efforts to to bring programming to every computer user [TS]

00:12:06   you know everyone can be a programmer and there were these efforts to make [TS]

00:12:10   simpler in simpler languages added more and more stuff for you or you know had [TS]

00:12:14   experimental types of sin taxes and commands and and were were very simple [TS]

00:12:19   and really made for everyone and the reason why everyone isn't a programmer [TS]

00:12:25   today is not because the Lang design simple enough [TS]

00:12:29   it's because programming just conceptually programming is complicated [TS]

00:12:34   and even if you don't have to do that much to tell the computer what you are [TS]

00:12:39   trying to do you still have to deal with the reality of things like the computer [TS]

00:12:43   is not going to be able to really reliably guess if you don't tell it very [TS]

00:12:47   well or if you're ambiguous you know it doesn't really deal with that very well [TS]

00:12:51   or if you don't really necessarily know what you want or you tell it what you [TS]

00:12:55   want but that's actually not what you want because you didn't tell it [TS]

00:12:59   correctly it's all these problems that that make programming hard even for [TS]

00:13:03   those of us who know how to do it and so i think the reality that the conclusion [TS]

00:13:09   of those kinds of efforts is that you can make programming easier to a point [TS]

00:13:14   but after a certain point just the inherent nature of the inherent [TS]

00:13:20   complexity of doing a programming type task does keep a lot of people out of it [TS]

00:13:24   because they just can't think that way they can't do you think you think this [TS]

00:13:29   was a nineties phenomenon you should go to the four DL Wikipedia page and do [TS]

00:13:33   some reading back back from when I was frustrating about programming this is I [TS]

00:13:37   guess it goes in cycles like anything else but the other was for jails for the [TS]

00:13:40   big big thing and they were going to make it seid until the next yes you know [TS]

00:13:46   this is not yet this is not a new thing really but it seems like the kind of [TS]

00:13:51   died down in recent years as everyone's kind of realize that you know yeah sure [TS]

00:13:54   you're not perfect these days and there's there's always going to be [TS]

00:13:57   driven to improve programming languages but inherently programming is [TS]

00:14:03   complicated and there are these these concepts and realities involved with it [TS]

00:14:07   that no matter how easy make the language it still has a built-in degree [TS]

00:14:12   of complexity you can never fully get rid of so so you know back to my [TS]

00:14:16   question you know where does usability fall into this category you know you [TS]

00:14:20   know as he asks what of computers just aren't for everyone and I think that's a [TS]

00:14:26   really interesting point because we we see you know I've been trying for a [TS]

00:14:30   while now and the show we see issues that apples are into a tie less where [TS]

00:14:35   the realities of being a computing device get in the way of their pretty [TS]

00:14:39   abstractions things like you know we talked about storage space being [TS]

00:14:42   issue and managing photos and backups and stuff like that and how you can [TS]

00:14:46   assignment walls with that with iOS because they try to make it simpler and [TS]

00:14:50   better for everyone but then reality kicks in at some point and and and has a [TS]

00:14:54   problem with that [TS]

00:14:55   and computers inherently they are kind of complex and it and it doesn't really [TS]

00:15:02   matter you know even the Chromebook which uses its Web service for [TS]

00:15:05   everything even that has complexity because you're you're talking about you [TS]

00:15:11   talking about [TS]

00:15:12   complexity of data and having data having accounts that you log into or [TS]

00:15:18   data that you manage the concept of documents and files and where do you put [TS]

00:15:22   them where are they when you look for them how do you copy stuff move stuff [TS]

00:15:28   how do you manage things where the stuff backed up where it's backed up all of [TS]

00:15:32   these things I think are just inherent complexities of computers and even if [TS]

00:15:37   you have fantastic backup services cloud services cloud interfaces great great [TS]

00:15:43   interface design I think the reality you're still dealing with this is a [TS]

00:15:47   computer it does exactly you tell it to and no more for the most part and you [TS]

00:15:53   know if you tell it save this thing I just typed name at this it'll have that [TS]

00:15:58   if you can't remember anything anymore the name you're gonna have a hard time [TS]

00:16:01   finding it lets you browse more than a million things to browse through as [TS]

00:16:04   you've been doing this every single day for the last ten years like it's theirs [TS]

00:16:08   inherent complexity and just having data in a computing system and managing it in [TS]

00:16:13   some way no matter how good the system is so I think well there is tons of room [TS]

00:16:17   for improvement I think there is a ceiling and when we are we are we are [TS]

00:16:21   heading out already and I think we can kind of get you know logarithmically [TS]

00:16:26   closer to it but I think we're never going to asymptotically closer whatever [TS]

00:16:30   you know the asymptotes in math where to get closer to it but I don't think we [TS]

00:16:34   ever gonna really be able to break through the ceiling of you know there's [TS]

00:16:38   this inherent complexity with these things is a bogus question because he [TS]

00:16:42   starts off are we sure these abilities in Philly approval did any of us ever [TS]

00:16:46   say it was infinitely approval I don't think anyone said or implied that [TS]

00:16:49   that's a crazy thing it wasn't really improve both would result in the [TS]

00:16:52   technological destruction of the world because every single person on the [TS]

00:16:55   planet will be able to do everything that every computer game ball without [TS]

00:16:58   you know without any real effort think it think they can make it happen and [TS]

00:17:03   even just giving current technology that would destroy you know any hack into new [TS]

00:17:08   killer missile silos because they know that is something they want to do and [TS]

00:17:11   computers are infinitely infinitely usable but everything obviously but I [TS]

00:17:17   don't know if there is some sort of you know that some sort of inherent [TS]

00:17:21   complexity with current technology like given the hardware that we have and the [TS]

00:17:25   limitations of that hardware how usable can you make it I believe yes there is [TS]

00:17:29   limit there as well I don't think we're anywhere near here that limit for even [TS]

00:17:33   giving hardware and hardware is getting better over time so I think that we will [TS]

00:17:39   always be chasing that and we can always make them more usable bit but more to [TS]

00:17:42   the point of the iPad pro thing we already seen like maybe computers aren't [TS]

00:17:46   for everyone totally for everyone if we do not learn the computers for everyone [TS]

00:17:50   even before smartphones PCs proved that computers are pretty much for everyone [TS]

00:17:54   in the same way that anything can be forever and yes you have to live in a [TS]

00:17:57   first world countries can afford a computer but bravely proven that you [TS]

00:18:02   know given the resources if you give a computer to everybody they can find [TS]

00:18:06   something useful to do it then yes they're crappy an annoying and they they [TS]

00:18:09   have problems but saw two cars to houses for clothing so is everything else that [TS]

00:18:13   regular people can happen smartphones forget it [TS]

00:18:15   their computers there for everyone so yes computing is definitely for everyone [TS]

00:18:20   computers can get easier on the current hardware and on the iPad pro thing [TS]

00:18:24   devices more usable than personal computers I think they are so I don't I [TS]

00:18:30   don't see why I kind of series getting out here but I think it's kind of a [TS]

00:18:34   strong man and doesn't really shed any light on the question you're asking for [TS]

00:18:37   the things we do all agree that iOS devices are easier than prosecutors how [TS]

00:18:41   much easier whatever I think we also agree that computers are for everyone [TS]

00:18:45   even if they may be annoying to prove its proven by the existence ever [TS]

00:18:50   everyone has one now almost everyone has one so I didn't find this question as [TS]

00:18:56   enlightening as market [TS]

00:18:58   right do you want to talk about something that's pretty cool Marco I [TS]

00:19:01   would love to our friends at transporter are back now we've had transporter on [TS]

00:19:06   the show before and here's a quick rundown transporter is the date of this [TS]

00:19:13   company that was spun off it was created by some exit row boat people and it got [TS]

00:19:18   so good about them that that's how good this thing as a transporter is like an [TS]

00:19:24   external it's an external hard drive that you buy a new owner outright [TS]

00:19:27   there's no monthly fees just a hard drive that you buy it and sit on your [TS]

00:19:31   network but then it has software and web service that allows you to access it [TS]

00:19:38   from anywhere from any other computers over the internet and also sync things [TS]

00:19:44   between multiple transporters in multiple computers and all this happens [TS]

00:19:49   with the files only being stored on your transporter on the number of [TS]

00:19:54   transporters that you choose to sync it with they don't store your files in [TS]

00:19:57   their cloud service or anything so you have the data you own and control the [TS]

00:20:02   drive it sitting on and it's fantastic for privacy everything is encrypted and [TS]

00:20:08   and when it's being transmitted so you got a lot of privacy stuff covered here [TS]

00:20:12   regulatory concerns if you can't use of my Dropbox but they know that [TS]

00:20:18   realistically dropbox is the competitor here the dropbox is the alternative in [TS]

00:20:22   what you're gonna think I could use Dropbox and they address that head-on [TS]

00:20:25   they don't try to you know hide that don't don't mention the competitor known [TS]

00:20:29   and there's lots of energy and they're very happy to tell you about them so one [TS]

00:20:33   of the biggest it in my opinion is one of the biggest is just the economics at [TS]

00:20:36   stake here and you have big data needs so the transporter sink 400 bucks a [TS]

00:20:42   month the USB port you plug in your own hard drive and it has not reporting the [TS]

00:20:45   side and it turns any drive you already had into a transporter they also have [TS]

00:20:49   500 gigs for just 200 bucks one terabyte produced 249 and two terabytes reviews [TS]

00:20:56   349 if you don't already have a drive to use with it [TS]

00:20:59   these things are very affordable and they have it they get made a special [TS]

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00:21:15   for just 75 bucks really fantastic deal and so anyway back to why you want us to [TS]

00:21:22   come over the place of this one there's there's so much to talk about transport [TS]

00:21:26   they can do so many things you should check this thing out so when you compare [TS]

00:21:30   this pricing and there's no monthly fees use by the front that's it you compare [TS]

00:21:34   this pricing too if you wanted to start a fun Dropbox or any of the cloud [TS]

00:21:38   services it's nowhere near this cheap and you know this privacy concerns of [TS]

00:21:45   two and transport has all these new features they they're actually having [TS]

00:21:48   their in the event of beta here for their desktop software their little [TS]

00:21:51   client accesses the stuff and helps you with sinking everything that there is an [TS]

00:21:55   advanced beyond it should be out by the end of the month you can debate as [TS]

00:21:58   public you can go down there now if you want to and it will sync your desktop [TS]

00:22:04   your Documents folder downloads folder movies music and pictures option only [TS]

00:22:08   eight are optional you can have it automatically sync those folders with [TS]

00:22:12   your transporter and in with any other Macs a login with and so you can kinda [TS]

00:22:16   have your Mac special folders desktop photos all that stuff you can have those [TS]

00:22:21   things synced automatically without having to like explicitly store them on [TS]

00:22:25   your transport yourself so it's even better than Dropbox anyway because you [TS]

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00:24:11   ok so somebody has added lap hebard saga which show notes which one of you is [TS]

00:24:21   noncommittal about talking about all I added it I'm committal the question mark [TS]

00:24:26   was just to allow you guys to refer to reject the topic I don't know that [TS]

00:24:31   there's much to say which means net take a look at the time stamp now and we'll [TS]

00:24:35   come back and say well that was good in an hour but I mean it seems to me like a [TS]

00:24:41   like a guy a kid we know how will filter is 28 or 29 something one of those I'm [TS]

00:24:47   barely older so I can see kid with a kid that I wrote this tried to do something [TS]

00:24:53   that people say may or may not be good but certainly was popular and didn't [TS]

00:24:58   like the aftermath which to some degree I think it's very small degree I think [TS]

00:25:02   the three of us can sympathize with well not john Kitzhaber much john but you and [TS]

00:25:06   I can sympathize empathize with that Marco and John is evident in the App [TS]

00:25:09   Store either also true so yes they put something in the App Store everyone you [TS]

00:25:14   know went beserk about it both good and bad and then he pulled it because he [TS]

00:25:18   wanted to go back to it easy in normal world never got mad about that like I [TS]

00:25:23   feel bad for the guy I guess is what I'm trying to say it just seems like a [TS]

00:25:26   really crummy situation that didn't have to be yeah that's that's kind of why to [TS]

00:25:31   topic I mean the game itself was basically a mean like it wasn't like no [TS]

00:25:37   one actually real [TS]

00:25:38   he loved it as like oh my god this is the most amazing game ever they but its [TS]

00:25:43   is it is like funny addictive game and I think it wasn't really I'm sure when [TS]

00:25:51   this guy made this game I'm sure he did not expect to be number one in the App [TS]

00:25:54   Store and and I i checked I'm a little earlier and I and I checked using our [TS]

00:26:00   friends at figures do not have an account there you can look up the [TS]

00:26:02   rankings for a Japanese store so I checked to make sure and it was still [TS]

00:26:07   number one it was number one for many days straight beforehand and it was [TS]

00:26:10   number one at the moment to get off the store I mean has this ever happened [TS]

00:26:15   before where somebody who had this extremely high profile ASAP in the [TS]

00:26:20   middle of its massive live popularity close up the store for you know it [TS]

00:26:25   wasn't a legal reason as far as we know it wasn't you know it wasn't like any [TS]

00:26:29   compelling reason except that he was he just couldn't take the mirage of of hate [TS]

00:26:35   and flames that he was getting the attention he was getting as a result of [TS]

00:26:39   being that opposition why was he getting paid in flames he so people were looking [TS]

00:26:46   like he was getting hundreds and hundreds or possibly thousands of [TS]

00:26:50   Twitter message is that once you figure out your name using tons of messages [TS]

00:26:56   saying like you know damn you for getting me to do this game I've lost my [TS]

00:27:01   life because of this game I have lost hours to this but those are but those [TS]

00:27:05   are like supposed to be funny like those aren't really well but a lot you know a [TS]

00:27:09   lot of people online are not funny in their criticism I saw when he said he [TS]

00:27:14   was gonna pull it then he started to get the actual crazy threats but that's only [TS]

00:27:20   because people don't understand what pulled from the App Store means I have [TS]

00:27:24   to imagine that they don't understand because obviously if they carry all that [TS]

00:27:27   they've already got it and play it from the store doesn't take away from them [TS]

00:27:30   people understand that but it's it's a shame that people are so terrible but [TS]

00:27:36   they are and any time you are high profile in any way you get more exposure [TS]

00:27:43   to the good and the bad and like he this is just some guy presumably and he [TS]

00:27:50   didn't like it and wasn't prepared for it and he pulled out of it I don't think [TS]

00:27:55   it's i mean it's terrible but I see they can we also terrible stuff like that all [TS]

00:28:00   the time doesn't make it better and like I think the I think the story is the [TS]

00:28:04   phenomenon of the game and the person's reaction to it is kind of like the [TS]

00:28:09   reaction lots of people have lots of people will do something online that [TS]

00:28:13   gets a little tiny bit of notoriety and they got lots of negative feedback about [TS]

00:28:16   it and how they react to it depends on what you said that they are used to [TS]

00:28:21   getting lots of negative feedback to strangers to have the ability to not [TS]

00:28:24   look at it and not worry about it we talked about this before about how you [TS]

00:28:28   deal with negative feedback from people and there's a scale doll is obviously [TS]

00:28:32   his scales massively bigger than someone who writes a blog post if you feel free [TS]

00:28:35   to complain about but everyone has different tolerances so the individual [TS]

00:28:39   personal story of how he handled crazy internet criticism [TS]

00:28:44   I'm not interested in in that as I am in the story of how random game rocketed to [TS]

00:28:50   the top of the charts in the App Store and you know why that happened and [TS]

00:28:56   Tripoli there's a Game Room interested in debating the merits of the game [TS]

00:28:59   itself but it seems like the human interest story is dominating the news [TS]

00:29:03   these days like when you put down this the floppy birth saga I think people [TS]

00:29:07   understand that phrase to mean you know let let's talk about this guy's feelings [TS]

00:29:11   and terrible things that have been said to him over the internet versus let's [TS]

00:29:16   talk about the game because I think people are over the game part well I i [TS]

00:29:20   think there's there's two stories here there's a article on Forbes they [TS]

00:29:24   interviewed him in and they claim the article he said that he took it down [TS]

00:29:30   because it was an addictive product and that's a problem so it's it's best to [TS]

00:29:35   get rid of it and I've read a few things I didn't have a whole lot of time I read [TS]

00:29:39   a few things today talking about you know the differences in cultures here [TS]

00:29:42   this this is the guy in Vietnam [TS]

00:29:44   mom and and the the culture over there about around video game addiction is [TS]

00:29:49   very different than it is here and apparently video game addiction is [TS]

00:29:53   actually a pretty serious problem for a lot of fraud of Asian countries and and [TS]

00:29:59   and so it's you know it's looked upon almost away like alcohol addiction is [TS]

00:30:03   here is is like serious and so to to make something for everyone is telling [TS]

00:30:08   you they're addicted to it is is a more serious thing you know here it's a fun [TS]

00:30:12   lighthearted thing you know there's more serious that's kind of bad but I think [TS]

00:30:17   one story here is the story of basically harassing this guy and and I mean it was [TS]

00:30:23   it wasn't just people saying it was addictive it was like all sorts of [TS]

00:30:27   stories going up on major websites and like this is the worst game ever made [TS]

00:30:32   and it's popularly just trashing the game and and it's a real it was a real [TS]

00:30:37   iPhone I actually I actually downloaded it after he said he was going to pull it [TS]

00:30:41   out like well I might as well get it so i atleast know what I'm talking about [TS]

00:30:45   but so you know one problem is the flames that went into force in the sky [TS]

00:30:53   to take this down basically end and that's that's a pretty serious cultural [TS]

00:30:57   problem but I don't think it's one we can really deal with easily [TS]

00:31:00   unfortunately the other interesting story about this is why did this game [TS]

00:31:07   get so popular and and the reactions that other iOS developers and other game [TS]

00:31:12   developers have had as a result and I think that's potentially even more [TS]

00:31:16   interesting because like to me and I posted it to me this it's very obvious [TS]

00:31:20   like a popular it's because it was like cute and charming and kinda crappy [TS]

00:31:27   really crappy but it was it was exactly what succeed in the App Store it was [TS]

00:31:34   quick it was simple there was no learning curve you play at 46 seconds [TS]

00:31:38   and be done to play at Natick you want to like it was and you just launched it [TS]

00:31:42   and for the most part is launching it goes is not a million different splash [TS]

00:31:46   screens there's not a huge menu system like console games stupid things there's [TS]

00:31:51   not there's no in-app purchases and it's free [TS]

00:31:54   it just has topped hardly ever even popular [TS]

00:31:56   desired as apparently a terrible federated the scale like it it was it [TS]

00:32:02   was exactly what succeeds in the App Store it was kinda retro kinda kindest [TS]

00:32:06   you know kinda knew it was of course have succeeded and the game developers [TS]

00:32:11   are all linked so upset because they put so much more time and money into their [TS]

00:32:18   game and that most of them don't do this well but I think what this really is is [TS]

00:32:22   kind of a wake-up call to the game industry saying look you know this this [TS]

00:32:27   is the kind of thing that does well this is the kind of thing people actually [TS]

00:32:31   play and download on the AppStore and so all you guys out there you know trying [TS]

00:32:36   to try to make like really really high budget productions need really deep [TS]

00:32:40   games trying to sell into this particular market or people who are [TS]

00:32:44   trying to come up with an app purchases and and and try to you know [TS]

00:32:50   psychologically screw people that way you're like that you're trying to do all [TS]

00:32:56   that in a market where this is the kind of thing succeeds and that's very [TS]

00:33:00   frustrating to hear I imagine don't you think there's tens of thousands of other [TS]

00:33:04   games that all those criteria like I would say but there are no I know before [TS]

00:33:10   that like i'm saying that may be necessary for a massive abscess but it [TS]

00:33:15   is not sufficient far from an interesting question and i think is why [TS]

00:33:18   did this particular terrible addictive application that has nothing to it [TS]

00:33:23   succeed when the tons of other pre-existing applications that all those [TS]

00:33:30   same criteria didn't end it's the you know this so many thousands of thousands [TS]

00:33:34   of apps something made this particular one snowball right and it may be just [TS]

00:33:40   you know happenstance like it was some random fluctuation of things that caused [TS]

00:33:45   this to to snowball out of control it but like I don't think it's anything [TS]

00:33:49   about the application itself other than having you know having those qualities [TS]

00:33:53   you describe which I do not think are uncommon I think there are tons of [TS]

00:33:57   terrible short simple fast play free ad-supported games with addictive [TS]

00:34:03   mechanics on the App Store but this particular one [TS]

00:34:06   happened to snowball and I'm not talking about the clones that came after I'm [TS]

00:34:10   talking about three years before like the App Store so many apps tons about [TS]

00:34:14   the Phillies criteria and so the devious stories like this some sort of [TS]

00:34:18   conspiracy going on here [TS]

00:34:20   the App Store paid reviews or whatever and the more more by now story is we [TS]

00:34:26   don't know exactly why its noble I guess it could have been any other opposite [TS]

00:34:29   happened to be this one if someone could track that down to show like the [TS]

00:34:34   download tree of the individual people and how did this spiral up to be this [TS]

00:34:38   thing but it's you know I think I think you got it right the first time you said [TS]

00:34:41   this is a meme how to means become popular there are tons of funny things [TS]

00:34:45   on the internet time but everyone tomorrow through them catch hold are [TS]

00:34:49   they funny or more culturally relevant or do they have qualities about them the [TS]

00:34:53   other means not usually not usually it they're pretty much all one big giant [TS]

00:34:57   means to in any of them [TS]

00:34:59   isolation you could say equally dumb equally funny appeal to the same [TS]

00:35:04   standard base instincts of people why is one massively popular there on the other [TS]

00:35:08   one not just it's like you know chaos theory it's it's a butterfly flaps its [TS]

00:35:12   wings somewhere in this guy's game in vietnam goes and that's why it's kind of [TS]

00:35:16   a tragedy that he gets always negative feedback because it really I don't think [TS]

00:35:21   he did I haven't seen any agency did anything nefarious to get his rankings [TS]

00:35:24   so he was like a victim of a tornado or lightning strike and a bad way and that [TS]

00:35:29   he should he could not have had any expectation that his game would go like [TS]

00:35:33   this because it looks on the outside before publishing this game you would [TS]

00:35:36   have found tons of games with all the same qualities that went nowhere and yet [TS]

00:35:41   his game didn't go nowhere run away to the top and its I would like to [TS]

00:35:44   understand that phenomenon but I think that I i'm more in favor of the [TS]

00:35:48   butterfly flapping its wings theory of how this became successful [TS]

00:35:53   I would I would actually say that it is very clear it's very obvious when you [TS]

00:35:57   when you sit down and look this game with the exception of the I add [TS]

00:36:03   occasionally interfering the top part of your view which doesn't even mention the [TS]

00:36:06   game at all and I don't know how he's making that much money on ads because i [TS]

00:36:10   dont have a tab on that [TS]

00:36:11   but with the exception of the other I add the game was actually like [TS]

00:36:18   impeccably implemented how hard I disagree with it was impeccably [TS]

00:36:24   implemented to the essence of what makes App Store games addictive and what [TS]

00:36:31   people actually I think that's what is driving everyone crazy totally disagree [TS]

00:36:36   what's driving everyone crazy is that they don't want to believe this is what [TS]

00:36:40   the market is but this is what the market is the market is not this game is [TS]

00:36:45   not and I understand what you're getting at but you could tap into those same bed [TS]

00:36:50   instincts and people more efficiently than this game with a better game this [TS]

00:36:53   is not it's not a terrible game it's not like a piece of garbage gaming he [TS]

00:36:57   doesn't deserve to have people telling him he made a bad game or anything like [TS]

00:37:00   that it's just that obviously that is so successful people want to tear it down [TS]

00:37:04   but where I draw the line is people trying to say that this game to see it [TS]

00:37:07   because it was good because implementation wise in this game there [TS]

00:37:10   are many points you could have a game design perspective and even from a let's [TS]

00:37:15   let's plug into the worst instincts and people and exploit them I would say that [TS]

00:37:19   terrible rip off you know clone things like candy crush are more efficient and [TS]

00:37:24   better at and those buns because i dont can request too complicated this was so [TS]

00:37:28   simple but never again I i think you could go to the App Store and find many [TS]

00:37:32   games with similar mechanics are very similar maybe I'm going through pipes or [TS]

00:37:38   whatever may be trying to jump over something but kind of not very well [TS]

00:37:42   implemented difficult for bad reasons very quick the reason this game became [TS]

00:37:47   popular is because everyone was playing it and that's you know no one goes there [TS]

00:37:50   anymore it's too crowded that type of statement makes no sense but seriously [TS]

00:37:55   the phenomenon here is the snowball that it becomes irrelevant as larger groups [TS]

00:37:59   of people did you were the only person on the planet and you had access to the [TS]

00:38:03   entire app store and download this game you would throw it away and not played a [TS]

00:38:07   lot only interesting because you know this is the game that everybody's [TS]

00:38:10   talking about it because you can compare your score with everybody else and [TS]

00:38:13   comparing your school everybody else only happens because everyone else is [TS]

00:38:16   playing at your not people are playing because awesome like it's it's a [TS]

00:38:19   self-fulfilling prophecy so that the quality of this game is not what caused [TS]

00:38:22   it to be the phenomena to get necessary [TS]

00:38:24   but not sufficient to it had barely the necessary qualities to to be a megahit [TS]

00:38:30   but that is not sufficient to be a megahit make you look at this individual [TS]

00:38:34   game and you go back in time he said to floppy birds with any of the other games [TS]

00:38:38   perhaps some of the better games that fill the same criteria we'd be having [TS]

00:38:42   this same conversation about them I don't think of quality and that's why I [TS]

00:38:47   would advise people not to copy the attributes of this game in terms of the [TS]

00:38:51   implementation for example I call the collision detection it's it's brutal but [TS]

00:38:54   fair it's it may be fair technically speaking but to give just one game [TS]

00:39:00   design tips that anyone picked when you die from hitting something good games [TS]

00:39:04   will show you what where you had to do it to hide that you get too low they're [TS]

00:39:09   sort of paused the animation long enough to realize their way this one doesn't [TS]

00:39:13   even do that and that doesn't add to the game that makes the game worse but you [TS]

00:39:18   know like that that's enough to derail it because everyone's playing this game [TS]

00:39:22   no one's gonna say why was your birthday to play bridge clone that it does a [TS]

00:39:25   competent job of showing you where you had something no no one cares about that [TS]

00:39:28   it's just it an important detail but that does not make this a good game I [TS]

00:39:33   really think that you're wrong I I think you're right that what carried it and [TS]

00:39:37   what gave it does massive later boosted what push it into number one was the [TS]

00:39:43   social effect you're totally right about that I completely agree and also the [TS]

00:39:47   fact that it had social Game Center leaderboards so you can you can like CNN [TS]

00:39:51   because it was so hard it's like you can't read beat your friends high score [TS]

00:39:56   of 6 [TS]

00:39:58   it so if you want to talk about hard games have you played super hexagon yes [TS]

00:40:05   but before we go thats all that worked with this game it was incredibly like [TS]

00:40:12   sticky with people it it it got people engaged into the stupid game and I i [TS]

00:40:18   think this is where I think that you're not giving enough credit you're totally [TS]

00:40:22   right the social aspect carried it and boot it up to number one in kept there [TS]

00:40:26   but what you got what got it the initial attraction at all is because it is a [TS]

00:40:32   really like fun cute game even though it's terrible it's like [TS]

00:40:38   it has little like eight bit Mario like graphics it has the cute name flat paper [TS]

00:40:42   like it you know it's it's a 10 it is [TS]

00:40:46   execute for for what it is it's very similar to the old helicopter flash get [TS]

00:40:50   1,000,000 times right and the helicopter flash game was also a terrible game but [TS]

00:40:55   we hope you'll like what this is [TS]

00:40:58   he he he did he nailed the formula exactly whether he knew he was doing it [TS]

00:41:04   and he probably didn't realize he was doing it he whether he knew or not he [TS]

00:41:07   nailed what people like an iOS and current trends with the eighth pick [TS]

00:41:13   graphics and the name and everything he didn't tell them though he he barely he [TS]

00:41:17   barely crossed the bar for them that's what he did not know them he barely he [TS]

00:41:21   barely limping across the bar of the of the few criteria that matter [TS]

00:41:25   necessary but not sufficient how many times I have to say that you're still [TS]

00:41:27   not getting like yeah but he met all the criteria yes he did but some but meet [TS]

00:41:31   this criteria is not sufficient you'd be the game it's everything else that makes [TS]

00:41:35   it the game and he just barely made it it's like it's barely competent write it [TS]

00:41:41   you know it does no progression in the collision detection and the animations [TS]

00:41:46   are barely sufficient to get the job done when the Game Center banner comes [TS]

00:41:51   down over the screen it does starter on my iPod touch so it's not like he's even [TS]

00:41:55   smooth 60 frames per second performance the whole time no one is just it is it [TS]

00:42:01   is barely sufficient super hexagon is my best example of like a very difficult [TS]

00:42:06   game that is a good game but did not cross the bars of sufficient bars for it [TS]

00:42:11   to be massively popular because it is too complicated and too abstract does [TS]

00:42:14   not have a cute name right [TS]

00:42:15   yeah it's it's not cute it's not like it it doesn't draw people in states too [TS]

00:42:20   complicated [TS]

00:42:21   yeah I mean like that's what I'm saying here is not that he did everything [TS]

00:42:25   perfectly but they all the elements 22 having a hit he got them all like yeah [TS]

00:42:32   there's there's thousands of other games in the store that have many of these but [TS]

00:42:36   very feel they have all of them they have all of them very few have all and [TS]

00:42:42   that's that's what he got you know they they have all of them and they do them [TS]

00:42:45   better I really I strongly disagree I've I've downloaded so many games for the [TS]

00:42:50   title [TS]

00:42:51   need to be necessary but not sufficient holy cow so many games have like most of [TS]

00:42:59   these elements and then they really blow one they give it a terrible name or a [TS]

00:43:03   terrible iconic terrible art style or like the it's just a little bit too much [TS]

00:43:06   friction to get into it or it's a little too long or a little too I get so many [TS]

00:43:11   games you know are like 90% there and in the blood less 10% in some way and that [TS]

00:43:17   keeps them from becoming a megahit and I really think that he had all the [TS]

00:43:22   elements here he detailed [TS]

00:43:23   if you had a few at a time machine I would send you back in time before [TS]

00:43:27   flying bird that has created I would give you a week to make this exact game [TS]

00:43:31   and then I would laugh is nobody downloaded I couldn't make it I mean now [TS]

00:43:34   I could now that I some of the copy you could make this go back in time to make [TS]

00:43:39   make a clone of flapping birds before flight Hebert exists I give you a month [TS]

00:43:42   to develop it [TS]

00:43:43   you put it out you probably do a better job with the animations in this did and [TS]

00:43:48   no more down low and will not become a phenomenon because that's not what made [TS]

00:43:51   it successful but to sit there languishing at the rest of the crappy [TS]

00:43:53   free games that have similar qualities I I still disagree but I think we should [TS]

00:44:00   move well what would you like to talk about we talk more about games before we [TS]

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00:47:03   sponsorship once again speaking of games I had seen the front of the show Ben [TS]

00:47:10   Thompson a really interesting post about how in-app purchases [TS]

00:47:14   did you know they're ruining the game industry III was not aware of this and [TS]

00:47:19   by not aware of this I mean I've been witnessing it so there's this post where [TS]

00:47:24   they have two links to videos one of them is review the original Dungeon [TS]

00:47:33   Keeper from from 1997 August has been updated so slightly to run on modern [TS]

00:47:38   hardware [TS]

00:47:38   anyways it's this video review of Dungeon Keeper and it's quite long but [TS]

00:47:42   you get the idea after about five or 10 minutes about what the game is about and [TS]

00:47:48   then further down on the same post you see a review from the same individual of [TS]

00:47:53   Dungeon Keeper for iPad Android from this year and that review is about eight [TS]

00:47:58   minutes and is filled with profanity which immediately I enjoyed it because [TS]

00:48:03   of that it shows how unbelievably willfully bad the company that put this [TS]

00:48:10   game out ruined the game and in in short you kinda dig out stop never played it [TS]

00:48:16   but I guess you did things out in a dungeon go figure [TS]

00:48:20   and in the original game the game cost you know five or 10 bucks or something [TS]

00:48:23   like that and you could just play it well in the modern version of the game [TS]

00:48:27   it costs I thought I don't remember for cost money or not but anyway whether or [TS]

00:48:31   not it costs money to even get the game when you did things out which is the [TS]

00:48:35   whole point of the game it's on an artificial time lag so you have to wait [TS]

00:48:39   a day or whatever it is in order to dig out another square of dungeon and guess [TS]

00:48:45   what you can pay to make this quicker and even as someone who doesn't play [TS]

00:48:50   very many games with the exception of threes which i'm addicted to even is [TS]

00:48:54   very many games console or computer or iOS even I could tell that this was [TS]

00:49:01   unbelievable and to me the most egregious example of just ruining a game [TS]

00:49:07   for the purpose of in-app purchases so I know I did you did either you guys see [TS]

00:49:12   this oh yeah of course it was everywhere [TS]

00:49:15   John what do you think about this yeah this is a great online market and the [TS]

00:49:20   analogy I think the explanation for this is the same [TS]

00:49:26   to make is that the App Store and all that stuff has reduced the barrier to [TS]

00:49:31   entry for people making games and I don't we all like to think of like the [TS]

00:49:36   big bad App Store Apple is the gatekeeper and you know we can't [TS]

00:49:39   sideload apps and they decide what comes on everything but compared to what it [TS]

00:49:44   used to be like to make games Apple's gate is way more open than other gates [TS]

00:49:50   were for the most part a couple dozen control for quality as we see from him [TS]

00:49:57   on the App Store do a search like I mean they control for now we're and like a [TS]

00:50:02   few things like porn and stuff like that but for the most part if your game [TS]

00:50:06   compiled and complies with their rules even if it is the worst thing ever [TS]

00:50:10   they'll put it on the store and announcing it comes to mind is network [TS]

00:50:15   television used to be there was a limit to access to television it was limited [TS]

00:50:20   but there was no cables that was limited to the you know the spectrum and the [TS]

00:50:25   spectrum was not particularly wide for all television technology so you had a [TS]

00:50:28   sort of an artificial limit but a sort of hard limit due to technology on how [TS]

00:50:33   many television networks there could be in the united states and the power to [TS]

00:50:38   broadcasting and television was in the hands of relatively few people who [TS]

00:50:43   controlled like the major networks only a couple channels and some very powerful [TS]

00:50:47   people who controlled all that and those few people think of them relatively [TS]

00:50:55   speaking they were some high minded individuals in some respects in that [TS]

00:51:00   because there was only four or five or six of them old bald white man somewhere [TS]

00:51:05   deciding what gets to go on television they could afford to have principles [TS]

00:51:11   about things that they all sort of agreed on so network TV news for sort of [TS]

00:51:18   a loss leader but like they felt it was important to inform the public I was [TS]

00:51:23   probably actually might have been partisan FCC mandated stuff like that [TS]

00:51:26   where they would they would make news programming that by modern standards is [TS]

00:51:30   boring but they would tell us that things that we thought we needed to know [TS]

00:51:33   kind of a paternalistic we know best we control access of the airway [TS]

00:51:36   waves we have high-minded ideals about what's important for you to know and [TS]

00:51:41   what is rubbish inefficiency and yeah we run soap operas during the day and all [TS]

00:51:44   that and I Love Lucy no bus stop but the network news is we're going to really [TS]

00:51:49   concentrate on this compared to today where there's tons of channels cable has [TS]

00:51:54   eliminated that the fight for spectrum and open it up too many more networks [TS]

00:51:58   like CNN during use and all the other things and now this this and the 24 hour [TS]

00:52:02   news just made it this far much more room for news and increased competition [TS]

00:52:07   law barrier to entry [TS]

00:52:09   more news to be made has caused them to compete with each other to figure out [TS]

00:52:14   what is the people want what they want to see is OJ right around the white [TS]

00:52:17   bronco and coverage of celebrities and all of those things that we also just [TS]

00:52:22   terrible that we should be watching but letting more using television flow out [TS]

00:52:30   has caused this to happen like it is it is freeing up freeing us from the that [TS]

00:52:36   totalitarian [TS]

00:52:38   the rule of those few bald white man controlling what we have on and you can [TS]

00:52:42   no longer afford to have these high-minded ideals cuz if you want [TS]

00:52:44   ratings you have to show the stuff that people want and it's not like I blame [TS]

00:52:48   those people from making the content or I blame the people I blame the people [TS]

00:52:51   who want the content for wanting it it's simply the reduction in friction and the [TS]

00:52:56   App Store has so massively reduce friction in the market of gaming [TS]

00:53:00   compared to how hard it was to get a game on a console or how hard it was to [TS]

00:53:03   get a computer game publishers the friction is so low now that inevitably [TS]

00:53:08   you see the exact same thing even worse more accelerated just figure out what it [TS]

00:53:12   is the people want what what what's the what's the equivalent of you know that [TS]

00:53:16   the trashy 24 hour news channels just show things like Nancy Grace's stuff [TS]

00:53:20   like that as opposed to like you know the daily use with ted koppel you could [TS]

00:53:24   afford to be you know more sophisticated and so the question is free ruining the [TS]

00:53:29   game is free is ruining the game industry in the same way that cable has [TS]

00:53:34   room news in the same way that to pick an industry that the technological [TS]

00:53:39   barriers one of my sooner like mcdonald's his room the food industry [TS]

00:53:42   when you remove all the friction [TS]

00:53:45   you let everybody compete you will necessarily get a redistribution of [TS]

00:53:48   quality whereas artificially limited and put some you know people in charge of it [TS]

00:53:52   they have the power to make it the average better but the number of much [TS]

00:53:57   smaller when you reduce the friction the number becomes massive the average goes [TS]

00:54:02   way down but I still think there is more good stuff so overall I think for his [TS]

00:54:06   not ruin the game history I think there are more good games now than they were [TS]

00:54:10   before it's just that there are so many more games and so many more games that [TS]

00:54:14   appeal to the worse than that that's what we see because most people are [TS]

00:54:18   going to be playing the crappy games that appeal to the worst of them just a [TS]

00:54:22   lot of numbers but I think there are more better games now than they were [TS]

00:54:26   before I don't think free is running the game is just seems that way [TS]

00:54:30   wow I don't even know how I agree well moving on so apparently business happens [TS]

00:54:43   after hours or gets quietly leaked after hours late breaking Marco shared [TS]

00:54:49   something with us moments ago apparently comcast is buying time warner because [TS]

00:54:55   that sounds wonderful does everyone hate Time Warner doesn't everybody Comcast [TS]

00:54:59   Time Warner more not possible I don't know I think people hate Comcast see [TS]

00:55:05   i've i've never actually have never lived in a contest area I have lived [TS]

00:55:08   into time-warner areas and they've been finding no not not great but fine [TS]

00:55:13   integrate merger when we're debating who was companies more hated all these are [TS]

00:55:18   american ISPs they're all awful but we don't we don't think those who are files [TS]

00:55:23   customers we may not like Verizon Wireless for various reasons but I think [TS]

00:55:27   we're all more or less happy with my girl glad that we have FIOS with the [TS]

00:55:31   pricing is kind of around the same as what we hear from cable companies and [TS]

00:55:36   we're happy with the service in terms of reliability and speed the only one I [TS]

00:55:39   hear better things about is I don't know if this is just because it's one of the [TS]

00:55:43   few places they visit every year but what used to be cablevision on Long [TS]

00:55:47   Island optimum online always comes out really high in the rankings of bandwidth [TS]

00:55:51   and people seem to like it I don't like it that much like the house to rent [TS]

00:55:54   their that has it it's kind of crappy to me but [TS]

00:55:56   like it's highly rated but I feared Comcast yes lots of people like this is [TS]

00:56:00   why but I hear lots of complaints from people I know in New York City area [TS]

00:56:04   about time warner oh yeah I've actually I had Cablevision's Optimum Online [TS]

00:56:09   thats they serve Westchester so I've had that two different places and it was [TS]

00:56:14   fine it was great like it was actually better time warner i hadn Brooklyn and [TS]

00:56:19   it was it was very clearly oversold and where I was and I and Time Warner in [TS]

00:56:24   Manhattan I've had it in there in the office we had that briefly in and it was [TS]

00:56:29   it was pretty bad [TS]

00:56:30   Manhattan has a problem we're pretty much anything that's not like a [TS]

00:56:36   thousands of dollars a month dedicated leased line to your office like anything [TS]

00:56:41   less than that where you guys getting like files or business cable they're all [TS]

00:56:45   terrible it's for the same reason everything else in Manhattan its its [TS]

00:56:49   traffic [TS]

00:56:50   you have way too many people in a way to small area and there's even traffic on [TS]

00:56:55   the internet but there's too much traffic even for that so that everyone's [TS]

00:56:58   backhaul and pipes and everything gets overloaded in Manhattan to and buildings [TS]

00:57:02   are old so a lot of times you only have one choice of what the buildings even [TS]

00:57:06   would permit already have hookups for its it's a bad scene there but I don't [TS]

00:57:11   know what scares me about about this this deal assuming that it's real and I [TS]

00:57:18   would assume that the subject to regulatory approval although the way [TS]

00:57:22   things have gone in the us- with the FCC and regulatory approval for things like [TS]

00:57:28   Internet companies urging I don't imagine they're gonna have problems with [TS]

00:57:33   that I think they should but they won't and so I just think it's said I mean the [TS]

00:57:38   last thing that we need in the us- is less broadband competition all the [TS]

00:57:45   people in other countries have been telling us since last week or whenever [TS]

00:57:47   we talk about net neutrality that I remember which countries there but some [TS]

00:57:50   some places are currently have laws that if you own the wires you can't run it [TS]

00:57:53   ISP and that would be an easy and easy way to do things like a common carrier [TS]

00:57:59   things worth I call you on the wires you have to rent access your required by law [TS]

00:58:02   to rent them out to other people and then you like grumble grumble or if I'm [TS]

00:58:06   already from Apple do a crappy job of it [TS]

00:58:08   day that the Lord has to be split where one company can on both of them seems [TS]

00:58:12   much better because then the interests are aligned like the company that owns [TS]

00:58:15   the wires in the business of renting them out and it's not like you have the [TS]

00:58:19   company that owns the wire that an ISP also was forced by the government to [TS]

00:58:22   rent them out but always a crappy job and gives the rents out the crappy [TS]

00:58:26   quality of services it's many systems are better than what we have now and I [TS]

00:58:31   think preventing the merger I agree that they probably shouldn't be allowed to go [TS]

00:58:34   forward but the bottom line is like time-warner will probably get better as [TS]

00:58:37   a result of this and it will give Comcast more power to raise prices [TS]

00:58:41   screw everybody so it's like not allowing this merger doesn't really make [TS]

00:58:45   things better it just stops things from getting worse in one respect and [TS]

00:58:49   possibly better and so we need saying laws on Tekken we won't get it cos we're [TS]

00:58:53   in america [TS]

00:58:54   well and there is there is one thing to point out that the child is the chat on [TS]

00:58:57   Twitter but very happy very happy right now that competition in this instance is [TS]

00:59:04   weird because the way US-cuba companies work you almost never had never heard of [TS]

00:59:09   a place where you can choose between two different cable companies in in like for [TS]

00:59:12   your house or office like usually massachusetts we have three up there [TS]

00:59:16   really Comcast fires and RCN I think that's still the case I had I had [TS]

00:59:21   Comcast and files in the same place and RCN cable for running right to my house [TS]

00:59:26   when I can they all did internet all day all good internet phone television 30 [TS]

00:59:31   sure yet will usually you'll have one phone company and one cable company and [TS]

00:59:36   you can you can get things they're both is FiOS for his resin files that you can [TS]

00:59:42   get TV to a 218 tease you vs them that anyway I don't have any of these things [TS]

00:59:47   are but nevertheless I'm a rarity but I have three choices I could affect any [TS]

00:59:51   three of those interested only as hell I could affect all three of them in [TS]

00:59:54   pictures from the other in television [TS]

00:59:56   want to obviously they make that you cannot be infeasible but that is a [TS]

00:59:59   rarity mostly from what I hear it's like all I can get my house is Comcast or [TS]

01:00:03   something right usually you can choose one phone company with DSL or if you're [TS]

01:00:07   lucky fiber and one cable companies and that's it and so you know time-warner [TS]

01:00:12   and and and Comcast or not like so direct competitors are they have to [TS]

01:00:16   really compete on price because they're usually not competing for the same [TS]

01:00:19   customers where I think this is bad is in consolidation of you know now we're [TS]

01:00:25   gonna have even fewer major national ISPs and Comcast which is already I [TS]

01:00:31   think it was the biggest in the country already Comcast which already has way [TS]

01:00:36   too much power over things like net neutrality in the you s like a miniature [TS]

01:00:41   out it starts going badly for us [TS]

01:00:43   comcast is gonna beat the first company to start screwing people over there [TS]

01:00:48   gonna jump right on that they have a terrible track record with this date [TS]

01:00:54   they are just horrible horrible people in that company and so it isn't [TS]

01:01:00   necessarily the problem of you have less competition for pricing in your area for [TS]

01:01:05   cable it's the problem of now one company is going to be in charge of even [TS]

01:01:10   more of the USS clinton broadband like it [TS]

01:01:13   the number of companies that are representing the entire united us' is [TS]

01:01:17   shrinking and the NDC like two of the biggest ones that are now going to be [TS]

01:01:21   become one that's that's pretty bad when I thought it would be just terrible of [TS]

01:01:26   me not to say that I have had Comcast on at least a couple of occasions and it is [TS]

01:01:35   without a shadow of a doubt I believe my most hated company other than perhaps [TS]

01:01:40   airlines it was terrible it was my only only reasonable option and I hated it I [TS]

01:01:48   hated it at least a hundred times more than the Mac Pro discussion I Wow heated [TS]

01:01:53   Comcast customer service was awful it was no I would wait for an hour to talk [TS]

01:01:59   to someone who had no idea what they were doing and no matter what [TS]

01:02:03   fancy thing I said to them to indicate that I'm not an idiot I would still have [TS]

01:02:07   to unplug my router [TS]

01:02:08   and then I would have to do this and then I would have to do that and it was [TS]

01:02:11   just a freakin nightmare the service was never terribly good rates went up [TS]

01:02:16   constantly without any notice and without any real reason whenever I went [TS]

01:02:22   to the local office to like it returned a piece of broken equipment exchange [TS]

01:02:26   something whatever the case may be was it [TS]

01:02:27   5050 shot that would actually show up on my bill and I don't have to call the [TS]

01:02:31   customer service to see ok well I returned this in person to your office I [TS]

01:02:37   didn't even put it through the mail two weeks ago and yet you're still charging [TS]

01:02:39   me for this thing that I haven't had for two weeks I cannot even begin to tell [TS]

01:02:43   you how terrible comcast is whereas by comparison and i know i I know I've [TS]

01:02:48   talked about how wonderful files as I know no one wants to hear it but just a [TS]

01:02:51   few weeks ago when I had an issue with I forget which piece that was in the house [TS]

01:02:57   but it wasn't the router it was something upstream from the router but [TS]

01:03:00   it was something in the house was like the int or something like that one [TS]

01:03:02   anyways I said to the person on the phone while you know I would to the [TS]

01:03:07   router but I've got this this and this problem and i'm looking at the agency [TS]

01:03:11   and its got this this and the other thing going on and that completely [TS]

01:03:15   bypassed me through all the stupid drivel and I think the guy even said oh [TS]

01:03:19   you know what you're talking about alright let's try this just to be safe [TS]

01:03:22   and I think I talked about this on the show [TS]

01:03:24   unplug something replug something just to confirm that the outlet itself wasn't [TS]

01:03:28   an issue which is a perfectly reasonable course of action and then the next day [TS]

01:03:31   that morning they say what went from an all day you know you have to be home all [TS]

01:03:38   data because we're not going to tell you when we're coming it ended up that I [TS]

01:03:41   actually almost got woken up by their phone call to say hey we'd like to fix [TS]

01:03:45   your problem as soon as possible [TS]

01:03:47   whereas Comcast was I believe they missed an installation appointment at [TS]

01:03:51   one point I I'll stop because I could go on forever but I cannot tell you how bad [TS]

01:03:56   comcast is in the fact that they're buying another major cable corporation [TS]

01:04:00   petrify speakers whose competitor anymore [TS]

01:04:03   FiOS is is the AppleTV of the Verizon conglomerate you versus the AppleTV [TS]

01:04:10   AppleTV of the AT&T conglomerate my parents have it it's very good but it's [TS]

01:04:15   it's a product like a pet project as far as I'm concerned they use my fancy stuff [TS]

01:04:19   Charter Communications on if it's even start [TS]

01:04:21   thing anymore I mean the what what what are the big companies other than Comcast [TS]

01:04:26   I think you're right market that's basically Comcast and the little guys [TS]

01:04:29   and that's scary [TS]

01:04:31   that's not good for anyone and Verizon and Comcast and read this the shady [TS]

01:04:35   agreement few years ago that basically Verizon agreed to stop expanding files [TS]

01:04:40   right that can't be legal but good thing about the little guys though like I [TS]

01:04:45   don't I don't know who owns Cablevision or optimum online or whether I may be [TS]

01:04:48   there are owned by Comcast but like the little guys have some reasonable chance [TS]

01:04:52   like they're not gonna be swallowed up by the other ones must they buy them [TS]

01:04:56   because they own you know they own their regional areas and comcast is not going [TS]

01:05:02   to come and pay destroying new wires there and if those companies don't have [TS]

01:05:05   to rent their wire that to them they're not going to welcome guests will do [TS]

01:05:08   instead I guess it's buy them if it's worthwhile to them which is what they do [TS]

01:05:10   with Time Warner and hopefully eventually even our crappy laws will [TS]

01:05:15   step in and say you know when Comcast trust by Verizon vice versatile cellco [TS]

01:05:19   you can do that but now it's not it's not a great situation and I i wud I [TS]

01:05:23   think we would all be happier if the service itself within proof like instead [TS]

01:05:29   of just how your profits are improving reemerging you doing stuff like this [TS]

01:05:33   like would you care how bad the customer service was if you just got good speed [TS]

01:05:37   all time like I have had flowers for I don't know who's long as I could [TS]

01:05:40   possibly how did many many years now and I've never called their customer service [TS]

01:05:44   it could be terrible sorry but I just always works it doesn't go down I never [TS]

01:05:48   have to call them it doesn't break all the equipment is still going eventually [TS]

01:05:50   assume it'll break only to get an upgrade or something but so far so good [TS]

01:05:53   so if Comcast pretty much energy into improving its service as it doesn't like [TS]

01:05:58   buying up other companies and trying to figure out how to make money maybe like [TS]

01:06:01   well the customer service is terrible but boy the speeds are great and I bet [TS]

01:06:05   files to Verizon if you had a bad customer service experience it would [TS]

01:06:08   annoy you but you'd be like well I still enjoy the speed of the connection and [TS]

01:06:11   for the most part of a reliable but what's compelling them to to do that [TS]

01:06:16   not think that's why then I don't get nothing and that's the problem and the [TS]

01:06:21   competition is what makes everyone get better it's the same reason why although [TS]

01:06:25   I don't prefer Android I want Android to be incredible because that makes iOS [TS]

01:06:29   that much [TS]

01:06:30   and I just seen a tweeter at an article or something like that a day or two ago [TS]

01:06:34   saying that suddenly Comcast had just ratcheted up their speeds in the areas [TS]

01:06:40   around Google Fiber or maybe was in chattanooga where I know that they have [TS]

01:06:44   meat municipal or the power company something of that they have some weirdo [TS]

01:06:48   setup that talk with Bradley chambers about wherein they get just absurd [TS]

01:06:52   speeds from a source he would expect either the municipality or like the [TS]

01:06:57   power company or something [TS]

01:06:58   those areas comcast will actually be OK from what I gather because they're [TS]

01:07:03   compelled to because otherwise no one will subscribe to them and I don't know [TS]

01:07:07   I guess for regular human beings files and compelling enough but I agree john [TS]

01:07:11   the only I've had called customer service twice maybe and it was because [TS]

01:07:16   of random one off things that are kind of expected to happen over the course of [TS]

01:07:20   several years and an otherwise I've never ever ever ever had an issue with [TS]

01:07:26   it ever ever and I use the Actiontec router not for wifi but I use it for as [TS]

01:07:31   a router and I know thats Marcos favorite thing in the world and I'm [TS]

01:07:35   actually not even had problems with that so I can't stress enough how wonderful [TS]

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01:08:16   probably could have persisted [TS]

01:08:19   for 10% off so what is however however is in my words not there is however is a [TS]

01:08:25   domain registrar that doesn't suck and and if you use doing record stores [TS]

01:08:29   before to register domain names you know that not sucking is pretty rare and not [TS]

01:08:35   only do they not suck they're pretty good actually they have amazing support [TS]

01:08:39   of a beautiful design they have I love hover and and their their sister company [TS]

01:08:44   King part of the two cows family of companies they have this awesome support [TS]

01:08:49   thing where they have phone support you know that you can do I have to but if [TS]

01:08:53   you want you can call them any time during the business day and a person [TS]

01:08:58   picks up the phone it's a no hold no transfer no wait policy you call during [TS]

01:09:04   the business day and a real person picks up the phone there's no like long hold [TS]

01:09:08   times and the person who picks up is actually able to help you to transfer to [TS]

01:09:12   seventeen times to have you explain everything all this crazy stuff it's [TS]

01:09:16   fantastic phone support so in addition to all that he harbors we focused on you [TS]

01:09:21   know they want they want people who have ideas who wanted to start a new website [TS]

01:09:27   by noon [TS]

01:09:28   a new demand for your email address whatever the case maybe they want people [TS]

01:09:32   who have ideas be able to just find a great name get it set up and get back to [TS]

01:09:36   making your idea of work they know that domain registration is not like the [TS]

01:09:41   place you go to hang out all day you know they they know that this is like [TS]

01:09:44   this is something that you need to do something else they want to make it as [TS]

01:09:47   easy as possible for you to get in get out and just get what you need [TS]

01:09:51   thinking they can have that so and they have i mean you you have probably heard [TS]

01:09:58   all these crazy new TLD that they're being released you can get like . [TS]

01:10:04   laundry or something if they have so many so many really stupid stop its Lee [TS]

01:10:10   like I don't know what you know it seems like I can make the final seasons on [TS]

01:10:16   these are the IANA I am on reddit [TS]

01:10:19   I know what you're saying I never can keep them straight seems like the [TS]

01:10:23   creation of new TLD ease whoever makes those decisions is just [TS]

01:10:28   comically misguided about how the how things are named on the Internet like [TS]

01:10:32   the TLD is not usually used for you know important purposes usually hits like you [TS]

01:10:41   pick the one that either like completes the spelling of Adam a knack for you so [TS]

01:10:46   you can get like you know thing . GSO it says things that you need stuff like [TS]

01:10:51   that or you get one thats like kind of accidentally related like we have ATP . [TS]

01:10:57   FM even though we are not in the Federated islands of Micronesia [TS]

01:11:01   you know we it just happened that that's kind of san related and just like a TV [TS]

01:11:05   is it Tuvalu Tuvalu you know no one no one who has a dot tv domain name is [TS]

01:11:09   actually in Tuvalu but you know people who are TV just like dot me I think this [TS]

01:11:15   is another country to let you know that just happens to mean something and [TS]

01:11:19   English popular Darko is columbia but it's close enough to dot com well you [TS]

01:11:28   start using that works and then they the new demands are all these crazy things [TS]

01:11:34   like dot lighting and like dot dot photography and you know this is not a [TS]

01:11:43   well keywords I know I know this is a sponsor a read but I'm going good I'm [TS]

01:11:49   making was a topic temporarily this like I'm I'm so annoyed by the list of these [TS]

01:11:54   new demands because they're so useless that they're so cheesy like who is going [TS]

01:11:58   to name their business like supplies . photography see what they did was sort [TS]

01:12:03   of how Mac OS 10 made movie computers real as it used to be before the movie [TS]

01:12:09   computer to these crazy animations didn't exist in real computers and [TS]

01:12:12   things that go boom that's not where computers like it's a stupid and then [TS]

01:12:16   came out it's like a real computer doesn't do anything [TS]

01:12:19   actual real thing well this makes what your parents with safer domain names or [TS]

01:12:23   what like late night comics would say I need to go to you know doggy dog wolf [TS]

01:12:30   wolf and would like to visit a real deal didn't you know it's like they wouldn't [TS]

01:12:34   know that it was like [TS]

01:12:35   whatever they were just say it like you know paper bags dodd lunchtime and it's [TS]

01:12:41   a backslash after that right now those things are now those things are real [TS]

01:12:44   kick out now you're making you're making all the worst bad things about people [TS]

01:12:49   who didn't know technology come true [TS]

01:12:51   exactly but by the way why do you all movie and TV computers make noises every [TS]

01:12:56   time you turn on the screen window appears everything makes noise drives me [TS]

01:13:07   nuts are a different topic finish the end anyway so if you want to get a [TS]

01:13:13   sensible TLD like the ones we've had forever you can get pretty much all the [TS]

01:13:17   number they keep adding new ones all the time and they they have almost every one [TS]

01:13:21   of her look for however if you want to get one of the new stupid ones you can [TS]

01:13:25   now do that as well so you can get they now have today or yet today a new batch [TS]

01:13:33   became available including dr. equipment . camera . estate . gallery and dot [TS]

01:13:41   lighting so now you can you know you can have your new like ATP dot lighting and [TS]

01:13:47   cabinet lighting the company I'm sure there's enough of those to justify an [TS]

01:13:51   entire top level domain on the internet so they have all sorts of crazy to me [TS]

01:13:56   that they keep their like this to your schedule looking to roll out a whole [TS]

01:14:00   bunch of them that I can level and so all the stars are joining in the good [TS]

01:14:05   ones but if I was gonna rain is I do it however because they have their panels [TS]

01:14:12   nice and easy to use their great support this is not new [TS]

01:14:17   this old but also service called value transfer where if you want to transfer [TS]

01:14:21   some names to have her and you don't have to deal with process table do the [TS]

01:14:25   transfer for you if you could give them the credentials to log into your old [TS]

01:14:29   registrar they will transfer everything over for you it's really great so they [TS]

01:14:32   have all sorts of stuff they have email Google Apps for your domain to support [TS]

01:14:37   that and you know their their attitude is very honestly don't try to [TS]

01:14:41   aggressively up cellular cross-sell you too crazy stuff like you know if you [TS]

01:14:45   didn't tell me is it is but we all know [TS]

01:14:48   know that the the implication he read the alternative here is if you ever did [TS]

01:14:52   a check out good daddy owned my god it's like it's worse than the App Store it's [TS]

01:14:58   like the amount of crap they present to you is so it's unbelievable and it's [TS]

01:15:06   like they used for these shady things like oh well do you do not want us to [TS]

01:15:11   not give your disclosed information to people who are possibly affiliated with [TS]

01:15:16   us and you can pay an extra $12 a month to have privacy so that we won't spam [TS]

01:15:21   you and it's like it's so worth of the registrar's however has sensible [TS]

01:15:27   defaults they don't bad for you [TS]

01:15:29   things like domain privacy they give you for no additional cost it's great so let [TS]

01:15:33   me get back to back to reality here thanks let's hope for sponsoring a show [TS]

01:15:37   fantastic we're going to hover dot com slash ATP for high-quality know how the [TS]

01:15:42   main registration and use the promo code who the hell is Casey for 10% off we [TS]

01:15:48   should know that the promo codes on for new customers [TS]

01:15:51   yes that's right I also should point out that moon dot lighting is already taken [TS]

01:15:56   and I'm very sad about that that's too bad not surprising but unfortunate [TS]

01:16:01   nevertheless these deals are really the worst I mean it's like we've had stupid [TS]

01:16:06   Tod is in addition to these for a while I dot museum like even museums don't use [TS]

01:16:13   . museum if they don't use it who else is going to use it [TS]

01:16:16   yeah it makes no sense to me but whatever we want it let me do something [TS]

01:16:23   briefed about I be consumed Bluetooth le and then we can maybe talk about coping [TS]

01:16:29   2010 for six hours of liner notes next show [TS]

01:16:36   well let's let me talk briefly about by beacons and then we can wrap so I've had [TS]

01:16:41   a little bit of time between projects at work over the last week and a half [TS]

01:16:44   half and I've been fiddling with I beacons and Bluetooth Low Energy and in [TS]

01:16:49   case you haven't translation I've been slacking off at work [TS]

01:16:52   no no no I between projects it's true don't you know that you're my share of [TS]

01:16:59   slacking off at work don't worry they're slacking off at work and then there's [TS]

01:17:03   doing things that are professional development when you're in between [TS]

01:17:07   client projects you're ninety percent I'm gonna try to be serious you're done [TS]

01:17:13   it so I was dealing with Bluetooth Low Energy and so in case you don't know [TS]

01:17:18   what that is and I was seven Apple came up with the standard that they said they [TS]

01:17:22   would make a standard which just like FaceTime they haven't wearing you can [TS]

01:17:27   have over Bluetooth Low Energy a small data packets broadcast that includes a [TS]

01:17:32   grade or UUID or good depending on how you want to quit that's how I was [TS]

01:17:40   pronounced it anyway so strictly speaking to you idea platforms but you [TS]

01:17:46   can broadcast a UUID a major integer a minor in nature and I believe a little [TS]

01:17:52   bit a text as well I forgot I had any idea is you can set up iPad for example [TS]

01:17:58   a klutz a cash register iPad and you can set it up to being over Bluetooth Low [TS]

01:18:03   Energy this hi I'm here and I'm waiting for someone to talk to me and on your [TS]

01:18:08   own on a iphone if you have let's say this is the Apple Store Apple Store is [TS]

01:18:13   doing this if you have the Apple Store app on your iPhone nothing not the App [TS]

01:18:18   Store mind you but the Retail Store app as you walk into an Apple Retail Store [TS]

01:18:24   it will actually say we see you at the Apple Store is there anything we can do [TS]

01:18:29   for you and they took this even further WBC they said hey you know if you think [TS]

01:18:34   about it you could use the major and minor injures to do something like [TS]

01:18:38   specify the major in order is what store number you're in a minor in nature is [TS]

01:18:44   where you are within the store so you could say if it's Macy's or something [TS]

01:18:48   like that of department store you're in the men's section and perhaps when you [TS]

01:18:53   walk in there with your iPhone [TS]

01:18:55   the app could the Macy's app if you have installed pop up and say hey we see in [TS]

01:18:59   the men's section did you know that ties are on sale and so on and so forth in [TS]

01:19:03   its both extremely cool and extremely could be extremely creepy you can think [TS]

01:19:08   of less creepy it uses like a museum we're talking about that museum earlier [TS]

01:19:11   where as you go between exhibits you could dig there could be I begins all [TS]

01:19:15   over the place saying hey we meeting here at such-and-such exhibit let me [TS]

01:19:19   show you a screen about that rather than having to go in search for information [TS]

01:19:23   about that exhibit funny myself playing with this over the last week and a half [TS]

01:19:27   and really the whole point me bringing this up [TS]

01:19:31   was to say that that Bluetooth Low Energy apparently as a whole lot more [TS]

01:19:36   energy than I thought it did and I say that because I had my ipod my retina [TS]

01:19:41   iPad Mini sitting on my desk at work and then I walked across the office which I [TS]

01:19:47   know doesn't mean anything to anyone but suffice to say it was a solid 10 10 to [TS]

01:19:52   20 meters yards if you're an american and so polite through it was through few [TS]

01:20:00   walls and I could still very faintly of course but I could still pick up from my [TS]

01:20:06   iPhone 5s my retina iPad Mini's Deacon being transmitted via Bluetooth Low [TS]

01:20:12   Energy a solid like 10 or 20 metres away which I just thought was remarkable [TS]

01:20:16   because the way it was pitched it sounded to me like it was going to work [TS]

01:20:21   in the span of a couple of metres at most and that doesn't seem to be the [TS]

01:20:25   case at all and and I just thought it was very interesting and i will also say [TS]

01:20:30   that it was actually fairly straightforward to get it to work in the [TS]

01:20:34   code really isn't that bad and I also ordered from what does it read bear [TS]

01:20:39   which is some company out of I believe Hong Kong I ordered a beacon be one [TS]

01:20:43   actually ordered three of them for the company which are basically these [TS]

01:20:46   stand-alone I beacons and so what you can do is you can connect to them using [TS]

01:20:52   an app that they have and program them with your dad / UID program them with [TS]

01:20:57   what Major Minor number you want and you can use them [TS]

01:20:59   as a physical I began in the way that the reason you can do that is because [TS]

01:21:03   the quote-unquote standard that Apple came up with Fri beacons really isn't [TS]

01:21:08   that complex and soaps people reverse engineered a pretty quickly and they've [TS]

01:21:13   come in they've come out with a physical hardware devices that you can use in [TS]

01:21:17   order to be an idea and I just thought this was all fascinating I don't really [TS]

01:21:23   know where this is going in the future but the thought of having what is [TS]

01:21:27   basically geo location within a building where GPS isn't probably going to work [TS]

01:21:32   very well and additionally isn't accurate enough I just think the whole [TS]

01:21:35   thing is fascinating but maybe maybe that's man do you have anything to say [TS]

01:21:40   about that is like the fantasy of every computer every business person told [TS]

01:21:46   about computers the past 57 years has been hammering out a hand when they're [TS]

01:21:51   right near the cafe will tell them we're having a sale on golf it like people are [TS]

01:21:55   obsessed with giving you just in time advertising information and every both [TS]

01:21:59   utopian and dystopian sci-fi movie would have some scene where the character not [TS]

01:22:03   used the future waters by some sign the notices he's there and tell them that [TS]

01:22:08   something is available for his purchase that's related to his interest sir [TS]

01:22:10   changes to talk to him or whatever and that mostly for me that's kind of [TS]

01:22:17   dystopian but I like the idea of using the similar type of technology where [TS]

01:22:24   it's like it's not it's longer-range the near-field if not as long range wifi but [TS]

01:22:32   it's almost as low power as powers and you feel obviously but but it's much [TS]

01:22:37   lower power like making more feasible to do something like like pipe in GPS for [TS]

01:22:43   example like to do the equivalent of positioning within a building without [TS]

01:22:46   having to use GPS but have it be similarly accurate by using LTE in all [TS]

01:22:51   the in-store beacons as sort of a proxy for actual GPS beacon somewhere else and [TS]

01:22:56   I don't know what position in that building it's good because even if just [TS]

01:23:02   for like you're in the mall you want to find out where the heck with the you [TS]

01:23:07   know children through the Gymboree is here on my clothes [TS]

01:23:10   you have been in this mall before it would be nice and the ball is considered [TS]

01:23:14   a feature if you look on your phone and like typing Gwilym and tap on the first [TS]

01:23:19   thing I never tell you how to get to Gymboree like wayfinding within [TS]

01:23:22   buildings to find you know if that was so common that it was boring you [TS]

01:23:26   wouldn't have that thing that we have now like it used to be when you want to [TS]

01:23:29   go on a long car trip you'd like to look up the maps and your little Atlas thing [TS]

01:23:33   or get one of the triple-a booklets that tells you all the different turns out [TS]

01:23:36   now we just take for granted if you want to go somewhere and you know the address [TS]

01:23:39   you can just operate in your car type in the address and drive there but we still [TS]

01:23:43   do the thing when you get into a building where you going to go to the [TS]

01:23:45   front desk and find out what floor of this place is on and what number it is [TS]

01:23:48   and you look up on the little the sign on by the elevators to show where you [TS]

01:23:51   have to go that's that's the equivalent of bringing the Hagstrom into your car [TS]

01:23:55   looking triple-a manual so if this stuff does come to become pervasive there is [TS]

01:24:00   boring very benign uses of it that would eliminate yet another one of those [TS]

01:24:05   things that we can tell our kids that we used to have to look things up and ready [TS]

01:24:08   to be like time people yet to go there rolodex to find someone's phone number [TS]

01:24:10   if they still no phone numbers are but I'm we're talking so I mostly get this [TS]

01:24:15   text comes up but I think people tried to dystopian things first I think those [TS]

01:24:20   won't fly as well as something more utilitarian boring yeah I would agree [TS]

01:24:24   with that I should also mention that the idk in API with the in court location on [TS]

01:24:30   the iPhone 4 and iPad actually it does tell you a basic idea of whether or not [TS]

01:24:37   you're close to any of the beacons you can see so that gives you have a [TS]

01:24:41   proximity of basically you're on top of it you're near it [TS]

01:24:45   you are far away from it or I can barely tell and the other very interesting [TS]

01:24:50   thing about I began specifically is that you can actually have it have the VAIO S [TS]

01:24:56   start providing notification that you are within that region even if your app [TS]

01:25:02   isn't running and so for the nerds seal beacon region is a classic question and [TS]

01:25:08   there's a property notify interstate on display and it says when set to yes the [TS]

01:25:12   location manager sends beacon notifications when the user turns on the [TS]

01:25:15   display in the devices already inside the region these notifications are sent [TS]

01:25:19   even if your app is not run [TS]

01:25:21   thing in that situation system watches shop in the background so can handle the [TS]

01:25:24   notifications which is actually extremely interesting to me because I [TS]

01:25:28   can't think of a way in which you could with push notifications but are there [TS]

01:25:34   ways Marco that you could just have your appt started arbitrarily in the [TS]

01:25:37   background [TS]

01:25:37   back refreshed look for a particular like when you when you stumble into a [TS]

01:25:44   spot i guess i mean you can do geofence tricks you could do like all the various [TS]

01:25:49   location-based API is now at the the major updates and regular updates and G [TS]

01:25:54   offenses that but otherwise I don't think anything really reliable enough if [TS]

01:26:00   you wanted to do if you want to see this behavior with anything else you you [TS]

01:26:03   couldn't really doing very well right now I just thought this was all very [TS]

01:26:06   interesting and something a little bit different that to my knowledge not a lot [TS]

01:26:11   of people have really been exploring and and I don't know how to explore that in [TS]

01:26:16   a non retail sense because you need these physical devices [TS]

01:26:20   beaming these Bluetooth packets in order to in order to do anything with I [TS]

01:26:24   deacons but I could see it being just really cool and really in really [TS]

01:26:28   interesting things coming from it and I agree john that there's a dystopian [TS]

01:26:31   version which is shaped eyes are on sale [TS]

01:26:34   hey I mentioned apples are on sale pots and pans are on sale or there's the cool [TS]

01:26:37   version of hey let me tell you where we see that you're in such such location [TS]

01:26:43   the museum if you'd like to look at the gallery of M cars in the BMW well where [TS]

01:26:47   you need to go upstairs and to the left or whatever the case may be and I just [TS]

01:26:51   think that would be really cool with a lot of this stuff reality kinda gets in [TS]

01:26:57   the way for me like I tend to adopt stuff very slowly in very late because [TS]

01:27:03   like I like I still use paper boarding passes the airport I still don't use the [TS]

01:27:07   thing on your phone [TS]

01:27:09   the past books because usually there's there is some level of complexity and [TS]

01:27:16   and fumbling and delay with technology that like you know if they're quick [TS]

01:27:21   paper reducing all usually do it that way or if there's like some simple way [TS]

01:27:25   like I've been much more likely to look around the floor of the museum I'm at [TS]

01:27:31   for a directory or for a map that I am so I take out my phone and try that like [TS]

01:27:36   like so often the stuff doesn't work right or like it's not worth the effort [TS]

01:27:40   to take your phone in your pocket unlock it [TS]

01:27:42   find the app funny thing and wait for it to connect drain your battery like to it [TS]

01:27:47   there's all these little tiny costs that add up to make it kind of clunky and so [TS]

01:27:53   many cases that I'm usually very skeptical of stuff and usually I i avoid [TS]

01:27:59   it for years after everyone else tries it and usually it dies out and it's not [TS]

01:28:06   a problem and I i save myself the time of ever having tried it [TS]

01:28:10   museum thing I have a friend who works in museum and he had been four years [TS]

01:28:13   taking a bunch of old school like iPods I think even the ones of the wheels and [TS]

01:28:18   stuff and charging a bunch of them up and filling them with audio programs [TS]

01:28:22   that people would you know go use little scroll through like they were manually [TS]

01:28:25   making their own tour is as a sort of manually guided audio tour to you go to [TS]

01:28:31   a certain section and museum rotate little wheel and here a little story [TS]

01:28:34   about something and and if people were going toi that especially museum patrons [TS]

01:28:38   would you like to know [TS]

01:28:39   senior citizens and rich people like this would be a vast improvement if you [TS]

01:28:47   can use these beacons and give a bunch of people iPod Touches because the whole [TS]

01:28:50   problem was trying to make something that was guided so that people didn't [TS]

01:28:53   have to manipulate the device and if you just walk up to something and little [TS]

01:28:56   thing in your hand starts playing it that's that's an improvement so I think [TS]

01:29:01   there's definitely small areas will also become influential it only it only [TS]

01:29:06   becomes really something that people regular people encounter if those [TS]

01:29:10   beacons are everywhere like that spread the Big Valley begins in a few places [TS]

01:29:13   and begins in a few stores has some value but if you just assume that when [TS]

01:29:17   you went to a mall thing will be filled the weekends then you've got a sort of a [TS]

01:29:21   platform on which people can do both more interesting and more terrible [TS]

01:29:25   things and they can launch a platform at . domains or more . systems is that when [TS]

01:29:34   I don't think it is . Academy [TS]

01:29:38   I got it be conduct plumbing that's your right there and we're done [TS]

01:29:43   museum . solutions thanks for the response this week Squarespace [TS]

01:29:47   transporter and hover and we will see you next week now this show they didn't [TS]

01:29:57   even mean to be in it was accidental [TS]

01:30:01   accidental john Kasay [TS]

01:30:09   because it was accidental and you can show and a team Marco [TS]

01:30:52   I was gonna say that a new life awaits you in the offeror companies but I [TS]

01:30:58   realized it when you get that some help you gotta listen to the Bionic a couple [TS]

01:31:03   episodes go where they're going to these domains it's freaking hilarious the [TS]

01:31:06   sauce I was thinking the same thing like I was walking my dog and so I couldn't [TS]

01:31:14   let go check out list myself immediately and i cant listen throughout this can't [TS]

01:31:19   be real happy he's happy made up this has to be a joke when I get home and [TS]

01:31:23   look and they're all real like every one of these stupid of me died we ever find [TS]

01:31:30   out if mike got my sexy is not sexy female I don't know I don't think is [TS]

01:31:35   available I think it's an obvious fit me in the hopper is it just me or is this [TS]

01:31:39   is a whole TLD thing you think a scam by I can to get whatever little percentage [TS]

01:31:45   of the registrations they get from all trademark owners who got a good shot the [TS]

01:31:50   treatment is different I don't I'm interested to see how how it goes [TS]

01:31:56   because like the the cachet and the technological advantages of dot com back [TS]

01:32:03   in the days when address bar is used to I mean I guess I was on that platform [TS]

01:32:07   but never one address bar is used to stick on dot com for you instead of [TS]

01:32:10   doing a search if you just i didnt wear it by itself right away with a huge [TS]

01:32:15   advantage of you didn't want the dot netted the dot org [TS]

01:32:18   because you knew if they type of food return in the address bar which people [TS]

01:32:21   used to do back in the day you the address bar they would go to food.com [TS]

01:32:24   and then never tried trouble W food.com in 2006 and now that's gone but I still [TS]

01:32:30   think is a cachet to having the dot-com for most people and I wonder if this [TS]

01:32:35   variety like if they'll be a stigma associated with having you know [TS]

01:32:39   companies that far as the joke goes any other any other TLD that looks like your [TS]

01:32:48   kind of like fly-by-night are you get the dot-com like the social aspect of [TS]

01:32:52   TLDs not the technical aspect not whether there's a TLD that's perfectly [TS]

01:32:56   suited view that you know kind of like we were here first and we got the dot [TS]

01:33:00   com [TS]

01:33:01   and everyone else's dot com and you look weird because you have the only place I [TS]

01:33:05   can see where this will work out well and I know filled out dub xxx or [TS]

01:33:09   whatever but all the porn sites I said no rush to get xxx sex or whatever [TS]

01:33:13   because people probably typing those due to their house instead they haven't [TS]

01:33:17   we've had we've had da xxx for a couple years now and I believe that they didn't [TS]

01:33:22   want to let three had sex I don't know I think I'm sure that's one of the [TS]

01:33:26   proposed once I mean they think is like it like these are released under and by [TS]

01:33:31   the way to before the topic we've had done business info for a long time now [TS]

01:33:36   and no one uses them and unnamed we've had done name I've got it done and yes [TS]

01:33:42   and and like that name is is not to abused but business but business info [TS]

01:33:48   like those expand like the only thing on there are span all it's a hundred [TS]

01:33:54   percent spam its affiliate marketing spam and just crap this colloquy dot [TS]

01:33:59   info is the only done in both side that I know of the family and I guess they [TS]

01:34:03   couldn't get the dot com that's my first as I'm sure you could call it that info [TS]

01:34:07   exactly so you know but you know all these domains like if they it's like the [TS]

01:34:14   people who made the Yellow Pages design this domain name system it's like like [TS]

01:34:18   they they think that anyone is going to want to have like 0 [TS]

01:34:22   like for instance there's a dot diamonds and if you're like do you think major [TS]

01:34:27   diamond companies are going to move their sites or create new sites as [TS]

01:34:31   liking a company named . diamonds or as a can be really cheesy looking [TS]

01:34:35   immediately it's a bonanza for domain squatter like I think it's gonna be [TS]

01:34:40   who's this guy who's gonna hurt the most seems like its gonna hurt the domain [TS]

01:34:43   squatter is the most because you know they're just gonna have my parking pages [TS]

01:34:46   and maybe not hurt them all those accidental results you get on Google [TS]

01:34:51   that are just someone squatting to redirect you you know they're gonna be [TS]

01:34:54   all over that diamond god forbid someone I type something looks like better get a [TS]

01:34:58   good result goes that so many new places that look legitimate to someone at a [TS]

01:35:02   glance that they can drive you through do something right like I just think the [TS]

01:35:09   taxes has been a place on trademark holders and like to try to like UK will [TS]

01:35:14   to what degree do you have to buy them like I don't think so I guess coca-cola [TS]

01:35:18   gonna get like oh called upcoming I don't think they're going to let that [TS]

01:35:22   one go like they just wouldn't you know it would be easier to get money out of [TS]

01:35:28   them but I think they're gonna they're gonna look at that list and say if the [TS]

01:35:31   list was five more every operation whereby the extra five but the list is [TS]

01:35:34   too long now there have been like ok well now you've pushed me to this and [TS]

01:35:37   I'm going to say no I'm not going to get cold at all these I'm just going to keep [TS]

01:35:42   like I who knows of cocoa leavin has called that info that busy but then even [TS]

01:35:47   have them so I think they're gonna stick with the dot-com and I don't know what's [TS]

01:35:51   gonna happen remains but . florists its Amin [TS]

01:35:57   infinite infinite numbers of podcast episodes could be recorded about these [TS]

01:36:02   demands I know the technical reasons why I like what why do we have the total [TS]

01:36:05   demand that all I can understand how DNS works and everything but if you if you [TS]

01:36:08   were to remove the technical limitations and just say what if the entire name was [TS]

01:36:14   up for grabs when you got a domain you just pick the name and you just got cold [TS]

01:36:17   calling there was no dot com right like then you you could put does your names [TS]

01:36:23   if you wanted to be able to make up any sort of something that's something [TS]

01:36:25   that's something if they wanted to in some ways it would be clean air and that [TS]

01:36:31   you're just fighting over like ASCII characters that make you crazy escaping [TS]

01:36:36   system they haven't domain names and just a bunch of characters and it's just [TS]

01:36:40   as weird artifact that there's a certain last segment of it because of the way [TS]

01:36:44   DNS works and then top-level domain holders that that's limited but [TS]

01:36:48   everything in front of that you can get you know I don't like restrictions [TS]

01:36:51   anymore probably somewhere in the distance but you've just been crazy [TS]

01:36:54   garbage you want to try to fish people I would ever and it just has to end Mr [TS]

01:36:58   these other crazy things on the list of crazy things getting bigger some kind of [TS]

01:37:01   ok with that like it's moving more towards you just register name and hear [TS]

01:37:06   some like limits and here's the character encoding us to be just pick [TS]

01:37:09   the name a pedir IP address somehow so maybe that's the endgame top-level [TS]

01:37:14   domains this not it's not a sexless you just pick what you want the last part of [TS]

01:37:18   your thing to be less than a proposal like a year and a half or two years ago [TS]

01:37:21   didn't didn't I can propose that allowed on anything and and allow people to [TS]

01:37:26   register anything they want [TS]

01:37:27   but I think that didn't go anywhere which might be for the best and are now [TS]

01:37:32   it seems like all of the mean the value of a domain is so much smaller now [TS]

01:37:37   because everyone just searches and like you know Google ranking is so much more [TS]

01:37:41   important now one thing that might be relevant here is how much weight is [TS]

01:37:47   Google Google put on these keywords [TS]

01:37:49   utilities like is a skin account favorably toward your rank on Google for [TS]

01:37:56   you searches Google has long has long since learned disregard anything it's [TS]

01:38:01   going to be a negative like it probably history there waiting is not based on [TS]

01:38:06   philosophy is based on like practical results of their their battle with spam [TS]

01:38:10   or whatever is like practically speaking if more about this domain Zaar crappy [TS]

01:38:14   and have spam they're gonna get down right there's not someone saying well [TS]

01:38:17   that seems more specifically says that museum I don't think that's that's [TS]

01:38:21   anywhere in their algorithm dot shoes I want to know is are you going to get [TS]

01:38:27   overcast out whether that is that is that whether I don't even know that [TS]

01:38:33   probably have done podcast they might have done picus client that's the funny [TS]

01:38:36   and there is one proposed which I would love to get overcast happen that that's [TS]

01:38:41   one that would be interesting that output just drive people crazy I imagine [TS]

01:38:48   like trying to discuss like when we drive Mac heads crazy like what what is [TS]

01:38:54   the website for your habits whatever that app and use terminal . app to use [TS]

01:38:59   mail I mean someone we get terminal that up until that happened make something [TS]

01:39:04   out of it while net extensions they ruin everything [TS]

01:39:09   these are really they're just they're they're they're like keyword spam domain [TS]

01:39:13   extension it's just so tacky seriously I who are these people who can you come up [TS]

01:39:21   with this and say that's a good idea [TS]

01:39:23   people submitted them my case ya democratic process and I bet the people [TS]

01:39:27   submitting them where all the people who make those parked spam and phishing [TS]

01:39:30   sites [TS]

01:39:33   yeah I mean it's just like it seemed like the try to make one for it like [TS]

01:39:37   every major industry basically and a bunch of weirdly minor ones but like [TS]

01:39:44   this it's this is clearly everything about this is designed by committee it's [TS]

01:39:51   obvious that there is no guiding authority here [TS]

01:39:54   whatsoever it's just all I guess we'll invite all these different stakeholders [TS]

01:39:59   to the table and will come up with something with this task force that [TS]

01:40:03   everyone can agree on and there's no one and there's no authority here saying yes [TS]

01:40:08   this is a kind of a bad idea anyway gonna get up early so joins up with this [TS]

01:40:19   patriotic thing up a tree on his ass the site that basically it lets you you as a [TS]

01:40:26   creative person get money for your fans every time you really something you can [TS]

01:40:32   sell you know every every podcast episode are released every every three [TS]

01:40:37   blog post maker every five songs I write to you the audience can pledge 10 bucks [TS]

01:40:44   are five bucks or whatever for every exit I do I was just what jonathan mann [TS]

01:40:48   is doing so the idea is pretty good good people behind it anyway they emailed us [TS]

01:40:56   inviting us to to put our podcast on there and i dont i dont feel good about [TS]

01:41:02   that is like you know it's different Jonathan mainly he doesn't he doesn't [TS]

01:41:06   like phyllis stuff up with ads and he doesn't really like if you don't have a [TS]

01:41:12   lot of great options to make money with your stuff directly then that's fine but [TS]

01:41:16   we make money through ads and make good money to ads and we make I think more [TS]

01:41:21   through ads then we would ever made through direct payments I think it was [TS]

01:41:25   the only way that if you decide you when you're making money people are going to [TS]

01:41:28   buy the thing that the consumers are gonna buy it then something like a giant [TS]

01:41:32   is great but if you had supported it almost feels like you're trying to do is [TS]

01:41:35   get a little bit extra by soaking your 200 best suit their 200 best fans for [TS]

01:41:40   money and I would much rather see if your gonna so Q-two hundred best friends [TS]

01:41:43   or money to get something out [TS]

01:41:45   like a t-shirt or so yeah because then they're getting something like then then [TS]

01:41:49   they have something that expresses their super fans alike [TS]

01:41:52   whereas the page I like they would get the shows anyway and I'd rather cells by [TS]

01:41:56   Russell somebody swag than the new setting but if you're trying to do in on [TS]

01:42:01   ad-supported podcast I would totally do something like this but you're looking [TS]

01:42:04   for some way to efficiently get money from people who want to give it to you [TS]

01:42:07   for the thing that you make I agree on all counts but we should do teachers or [TS]

01:42:11   something [TS]

01:42:11   yeah definitely need a we need a better logo before we do T-shirts yeah [TS]

01:42:16   preferably something without the I still only have mine yet don't care you should [TS]

01:42:23   take the new I guess as ATP now you should put soon or delayed that is kinda [TS]

01:42:32   funny 2013 in quotes yeah anybody I mean like people are getting now but it's [TS]

01:42:38   like now I think shipping estimates of ship have slipped in April and Richfield [TS]

01:42:42   the stores now as it is and i dont the flipping day April I would love to know [TS]

01:42:47   if that's like is their problem or is that demand and like almost hard to [TS]

01:42:53   believe that it could be demand you like seriously about many people on Mac Pros [TS]

01:42:57   like a candidate some delays like they weren't ready to start manufacturing [TS]

01:43:00   couldn't do it the name pair but surely but this point like it's almost like [TS]

01:43:03   some parts shortage or some other thing that's preventing [TS]

01:43:07   I think as far as I can tell the bomb that might be in tow [TS]

01:43:12   because if you try to buy these CPUs and not all of them but if you try to buy [TS]

01:43:17   like it should be a core you can't buy one like every whether a stock swap in [TS]

01:43:22   some ice Evans [TS]

01:43:24   to give the prices they don't tell anybody hey this is better [TS]

01:43:27   single-threaded performance I don't know if they can't do that cuz of the PCI [TS]

01:43:30   Express yeah yeah yeah that's why I think the problem might be Intel but it [TS]

01:43:37   also might just be like you know this is a brand new factory in a brand new place [TS]

01:43:41   at the brand new staff making a brand new product that they probably didn't [TS]

01:43:46   think was gonna sell massive volumes but it's a metal tube is it more complicated [TS]

01:43:50   to manufacture in an iPhone know but it but it's it's an experience like this is [TS]

01:43:57   like a new thing like they its new plant in austin doing this cooler is an [TS]

01:44:01   awesome somewhere it's this new plant doing this crazy thing and you know with [TS]

01:44:05   all these you know just say it's lazy Americans I don't know I don't know it's [TS]

01:44:10   easy but it is americans as opposed to these places in asia who've been [TS]

01:44:14   manufacturing things like this for a long long time and that massive volumes [TS]

01:44:18   whereas here we have a lot less of the infrastructure setup for that year I [TS]

01:44:23   like the parts shortage theory and secondarily a distant second to demand a [TS]

01:44:28   buddy prison believe its demand will hear about it and neither Apple tout it [TS]

01:44:32   and say well we sold put the new Mac Pro on sale the sales were way more than we [TS]

01:44:35   thought there would be no house phone number but I doubt they'll never [TS]

01:44:38   mentioned the number the other way to tell if you like on the earnings call [TS]

01:44:41   like Martin on max went up for somebody can calculate that and say like what [TS]

01:44:46   could possibly be driving Martin's up in the Mac maybe the new Mac Pro sign in [TS]

01:44:51   huge numbers but parts shortages sure sounds like the most likely culprit yeah [TS]

01:44:55   if if I had to take my best guess I didn't tell the more it the more I think [TS]

01:45:01   about this and look at what's coming and and my current setup the more I think [TS]

01:45:06   that I should just that I should use this macro never comes in and honestly [TS]

01:45:12   if it doesn't come in in the next month I might be canceled and I mean just wait [TS]

01:45:15   for next month's point you have to get it [TS]

01:45:19   they've already invoice me the thing with the rare that where the starts and [TS]

01:45:25   now I'm gonna have to call and make the move the date up whenever the AppleCare [TS]

01:45:30   delivered a month ago and so but yes I am definitely thinking with this one [TS]

01:45:36   like this is [TS]

01:45:36   whenever the next Metro comes out with the the Haswell EP chips that will be [TS]

01:45:42   like 10 15 percent faster single throw stuff I'll probably upgrade to that for [TS]

01:45:48   myself and give this one to two for her upgrade at a family thing will make my [TS]

01:45:54   office much quieter people that share injustice cannot accept that I don't [TS]

01:45:58   wanna game pc ISO somehow it's it's like it like a form of our against that i [TS]

01:46:03   dont wanna again we just don't want I want different things to you can have a [TS]

01:46:07   gaming PC I don't want it's not I don't think it say anything to get upset about [TS]

01:46:14   it was it just make it damn game rating get over yourself it's not I'm not [TS]

01:46:18   getting over my don't think I'm too good for again I just don't want one is a [TS]

01:46:21   thing I don't want you can wanted and you can get it but I don't want it and [TS]

01:46:24   it doesn't get on the bus a better person than the other person if I had a [TS]

01:46:29   house where I could have a second computer setup then I would be much more [TS]

01:46:34   interested in the game pc over there and then that coherent decide which place I [TS]

01:46:38   want to but which one but I don't have that i dont wanna KVM while enjoying [TS]

01:46:42   getting KBM get over yourself I don't want to I just don't want an extra [TS]

01:46:45   complexity of this everything I love the weakest rolled Casey into another Mac [TS]

01:46:51   Pro discussion is trying to bed [TS]

01:46:54   arrives at his day of reckoning will come just hang of it did you see the [TS]

01:47:07   picture of Emma underscore we had like the Backblaze mugging top of this macro [TS]

01:47:11   macro know that was actually that was a backless blog post but anyway you could [TS]

01:47:21   find out if that coffee here [TS]

01:47:26   7,000 miles on that it would it would have been $7,000 of the original [TS]

01:47:31   configuration but I felt bad about that I can do that here that's that's the one [TS]

01:47:36   advantage that the Mac Pro probably doesn't have those little water detector [TS]

01:47:39   things inside the coffee coffee there are no you must be crazy for some reason [TS]

01:47:46   it smells like really good coffee [TS]