00:00:09 ◼ ► It sounds like you're about to give it a semi decent review I think one of the most frustrating things about it is that [TS]
00:00:15 ◼ ► even if you ignore some of the some of the little inaccuracy that ends it seemed overall to get the big stuff right. [TS]
00:00:24 ◼ ► Even if you ignore all that it's not even a good movie because it takes like two hours. [TS]
00:00:31 ◼ ► And right towards the end in like the last fifteen minutes they have this eight second montage that covers the entire [TS]
00:00:47 ◼ ► and so not only to the gloss over a pretty significant part of Steve Jobs his life and career [TS]
00:01:01 ◼ ► It showed all of that into eight seconds to mount a show like it appears chronological it like as you're watching a [TS]
00:01:07 ◼ ► movie it's like here's Apple here's the big villain Apple firing Steve Jobs because they think they know better. [TS]
00:01:14 ◼ ► And then eight seconds later Apple's you know on the floor dying and they need him [TS]
00:01:23 ◼ ► You know like they it's not even good storytelling because they just kind of like snap their fingers [TS]
00:01:30 ◼ ► and all of a sudden everything's fine again. It clearly was done down which is as you would expect. [TS]
00:01:37 ◼ ► But given that everyone handed in said it was like the worst thing committed to film ever. [TS]
00:01:45 ◼ ► As someone who has a reasonable amount of Apple history in my head I thought it was mildly enjoyable [TS]
00:01:52 ◼ ► and the one thing I will say that was extremely positive was I feel like Ashton Kutcher just nailed Jobs's walk [TS]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Nick walk and film watching Ashton Kutcher pace around the stage and whatnot and I don't know why [TS]
00:02:10 ◼ ► I saw where job or jobs was there and he just has this weird like gate to him that I never noticed before. [TS]
00:02:18 ◼ ► I agree that the movie was not as bad as I thought it would be based on what people were saying about it. [TS]
00:02:24 ◼ ► But back when it came out but to be clear it was not good but it was not terrible. [TS]
00:02:32 ◼ ► and then just blew some of the really easy ones that they could've gotten right you know with no additional cost [TS]
00:02:37 ◼ ► or anything that they could have got these things right and they didn't but you know more. [TS]
00:02:47 ◼ ► and that you know they if they want to tell the story in detail they could have you know glossed over certain parts of [TS]
00:02:54 ◼ ► or you know added ten minutes to the movie to you know to get it to get a little more detail into the story as to how [TS]
00:03:01 ◼ ► these things happened you know that whole middle era you know maybe do a forty five second montage instead of an eight [TS]
00:03:06 ◼ ► second montage something like it just seemed like there was a lot of low hanging fruit that they could have grabbed to [TS]
00:03:12 ◼ ► make to make it a better movie and the and for whatever reason they didn't. Now John did you see this movie. [TS]
00:03:28 ◼ ► Points out Tom Bombadil is an even esteemed Jobs movie. It is totally unacceptable. [TS]
00:03:33 ◼ ► Who is well I don't even know if you were just going to keep going we got one of those every show guys that may have [TS]
00:03:44 ◼ ► We do we always do we always do John would you like to do some follow up care for a spit a far post from Mike the eye [TS]
00:03:52 ◼ ► roll or from last week. He sent an e-mail with some clarification a bit from the e-mail. Here's a. [TS]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Things you mentioned the bar is set to hide you know everything about gender issues [TS]
00:04:08 ◼ ► If to hide any sort of knowledge about gender issues beyond what is observable in our lives then yes I set the bar too [TS]
00:04:13 ◼ ► high. I don't think any of the three of you would accept that in any sort of technical field. [TS]
00:04:18 ◼ ► Women in the workplace is probably one of the most studied sociological topics of our generation [TS]
00:04:26 ◼ ► I think we very much agree on this topic I was just trying to point out this doesn't need to be some sort of nebulous [TS]
00:04:30 ◼ ► idea that can only be solved by talking through it. There is data supported answers out there. [TS]
00:04:37 ◼ ► Basically I thought his first email about the eye rolling we start to talk about this topic was that he thought we had [TS]
00:04:47 ◼ ► and talk about this thing they don't know anything about and not to speak for you too [TS]
00:04:51 ◼ ► but I certainly pass the test of the bar of having any sort of knowledge I have read tons about this all over the place [TS]
00:04:57 ◼ ► Blogs articles flame wars for years and years like I have I feel like I have read a lot of us [TS]
00:05:02 ◼ ► but that's all informal like you know just on the internet but I've definitely definitely crossed that bar. [TS]
00:05:09 ◼ ► and as for like the the whole idea that like we don't need to just talk about it as sort of vague concepts like the [TS]
00:05:17 ◼ ► and there's things you can learn stuff like that during the whole conversation of sexism of the past two shows I've [TS]
00:05:22 ◼ ► been intentionally avoiding vocabulary that I know is sort of that are sort of you know terms that are common within [TS]
00:05:28 ◼ ► this topic right now for two reasons one the people who are familiar with those terms I didn't want to use them because [TS]
00:05:34 ◼ ► using them sort of slots into people's brains in certain areas if I say certain words they mean they think they know [TS]
00:05:40 ◼ ► that we're on the same page we may be talking about different things so by entirely avoiding those words I was forced [TS]
00:05:48 ◼ ► or from first principles of the out relying on jargon that we may or may not agree on the meaning of. [TS]
00:05:53 ◼ ► And two was if I use those words a shorthand jargon then I'm not communicating with the people who don't know any of [TS]
00:06:00 ◼ ► I had to stop myself many times from saying the words that all the people into the conversation probably expected to [TS]
00:06:06 ◼ ► and maybe some people heard that interpreted as these guys don't know the talking about they don't even know the vocabulary [TS]
00:06:12 ◼ ► I definitely didn't have a cab there but I was consciously avoiding it I don't know if that was a good move [TS]
00:06:17 ◼ ► and I think I think it's for the best because in a topic like that where there's less expectation that our listeners [TS]
00:06:30 ◼ ► but this topic was a far afield that I want to just talk about it using you know just regular vocabulary to describe [TS]
00:06:36 ◼ ► things and to be honest I'm not even familiar with what vocabulary you were dodging [TS]
00:06:42 ◼ ► but I would hazard a guess that it is probably for the best that you did indeed force yourself to explain yourself the [TS]
00:06:49 ◼ ► entire time you do you know about as a handle I get I mean I didn't say the word ally I didn't use the word privilege [TS]
00:06:55 ◼ ► like you know those like any of them are going to get it all sorts of even fancier terms but like [TS]
00:07:00 ◼ ► when you say any of those things people people sort of click into whatever little slot they have in their brain for [TS]
00:07:08 ◼ ► and I think it's better to just explain things the second bit of follow up is that after talking about Oculus [TS]
00:07:14 ◼ ► and Facebook buyout my glabrous should we also mention the passion is now working for Oculus instead of valve which is [TS]
00:07:21 ◼ ► kind of a bummer for valve because they were working on V.A.R. Stuff as well but hey what can you do. [TS]
00:07:25 ◼ ► So now it's car McNabb rush back together again trying to change the future of course. [TS]
00:07:32 ◼ ► People get excited about that is like all those guys they did so much together earlier in their careers like now it's [TS]
00:07:38 ◼ ► and it's kind of like what me expect next revolution run by two young men another begrudging the old man as of being an [TS]
00:07:48 ◼ ► but it's kind of weird that like these people who brought us the revolution of three D. [TS]
00:07:54 ◼ ► First person you know hard work so I read it three games are now trying to bring it to the next red revolution as well. [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Well instead of it being the next generation you know what I mean so that's I think is a testament to these two guys [TS]
00:08:05 ◼ ► and it's a little bit weird like you know I expect that was the thing with like scientists there is I go you done all [TS]
00:08:12 ◼ ► your best work by the time you're twenty or thirty you never have a second big breakthrough [TS]
00:08:15 ◼ ► or whatever the cliche is I don't know that's true in technical field open Steve Jobs certainly had two very big acts [TS]
00:08:26 ◼ ► I think it actually could be really nice to have people with a lot of experience and wisdom [TS]
00:08:33 ◼ ► By all measures are to be tackling the problem because the art has been tried so many times in the past [TS]
00:08:41 ◼ ► and it has failed so many times in the past that like the league they were around for all those failures in the [TS]
00:08:46 ◼ ► ninety's and beyond like they were they saw all those things they might have tried some of those things [TS]
00:08:51 ◼ ► or started developing for some of those things and they've seen all of these failed attempts [TS]
00:08:56 ◼ ► and so having that wisdom in people who are working on the new thing rather than just some twenty year old is going to [TS]
00:09:12 ◼ ► It's kind I think lot of the guys result oversea doing go like they have the experience. [TS]
00:09:17 ◼ ► I think my favorite thing both about go and about like Oculus stuff is that these guys are Russian comic. [TS]
00:09:24 ◼ ► They're not like the C.E.O.'s are like they're not building like a team or like comics [TS]
00:09:28 ◼ ► and they're writing code like you doing the same thing I mean I was in a slightly higher level but more [TS]
00:09:32 ◼ ► or less doing the same thing he's writing code he hasn't like just travel up that like now I'm big powerful [TS]
00:09:37 ◼ ► and I run the company I'm a venture capitalist and I'm a master of the universe is there in keyboard typing code right. [TS]
00:09:45 ◼ ► Mike average is going to be Don't like they're going to be writing code they're so refreshing to see that you don't [TS]
00:09:50 ◼ ► have to like the only path is like you have the beginning you write COBOL and you move on [TS]
00:09:57 ◼ ► I mean I think the titles probably are something like that but I do. Do you John Crumb I could be writing code. [TS]
00:10:01 ◼ ► That's why he's a hero to so many programmers that you know even now is an old man he's still getting it done [TS]
00:10:13 ◼ ► One more feedback feedback from another person in my call probably only get feedback from people in my from Michael now [TS]
00:10:20 ◼ ► which is fine you know if I thought I was going to be were talking about the Oculus and Facebook [TS]
00:10:26 ◼ ► and so as you guys are explicit almost exclusively characterize the outcry as being from jilted Kickstarter backers. [TS]
00:10:33 ◼ ► Maybe I'm an edge case but many of my friends who don't share my extreme privacy concerns were also not backers [TS]
00:10:41 ◼ ► So what are you getting out of so you don't think we talk enough about people who don't care one way [TS]
00:10:51 ◼ ► and are worried that now I don't I don't know that I guess they're worried about like Facebook ads being in their face [TS]
00:10:58 ◼ ► and I'm not going to buy any product that's associated in any way with Facebook was Facebook Facebook is not careful of [TS]
00:11:04 ◼ ► my personal information I feel like they're invading my privacy I mean maybe Marco can address this if he is afraid [TS]
00:11:12 ◼ ► Well I mean what is there really to address I mean Facebook now owns a company that has a lot of potential privacy [TS]
00:11:31 ◼ ► and use modern technology without having your stuff be in some giant creepy company's database. [TS]
00:11:39 ◼ ► That's just the reality of how we live you know you can you can go as I previously for two hours the full Stallman [TS]
00:11:47 ◼ ► and be off the grid like there it's it's becoming increasingly more disconnected from the rest of the world technology [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► If you want to try to avoid Facebook stuff Google stuff Apple stuff you know there's Amazon stuff. [TS]
00:12:10 ◼ ► And so you know my my philosophy with these things though it has been as I said on the on a previous show used to keep [TS]
00:12:15 ◼ ► a healthy distance like not to be totally off these things not to be totally invisible not to try to conceal my [TS]
00:12:21 ◼ ► identity from these companies but that's mostly a waste of time they probably know more than you think. [TS]
00:12:29 ◼ ► but you know I think it's important for people to be healthily skeptical of these companies [TS]
00:12:39 ◼ ► and critical of these companies and to point out things like hey you know what X. or Y. [TS]
00:12:50 ◼ ► and Those are all kind of weird and creepy and maybe we don't want that that's fine but I think we have to admit [TS]
00:12:56 ◼ ► and realize that's just the world we live in and that that's going to happen and we just have to keep tolerating it [TS]
00:13:04 ◼ ► but it's we're not going to always win every case of Oculus though it seems weird to me because like just because [TS]
00:13:10 ◼ ► Facebook does its main product that we all know about is you know not privacy everything it doesn't mean that that's [TS]
00:13:18 ◼ ► Like any product they get they're going to meet or they suck into the Borg and make it you know show Facebook ads [TS]
00:13:30 ◼ ► when you go to receive pictures of your friends and stuff that there's not even a line you can draw on dotted [TS]
00:13:39 ◼ ► and we are like they're obviously special in the short term Oculus is going to make a thing you put on your face to [TS]
00:13:46 ◼ ► and I can imagine it having any connection for years to anything having to do with getting any personal information to [TS]
00:13:53 ◼ ► any degree greater than say what Steam does now or anything else like it just it doesn't seem connected [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► They say Facebook blog and therefore I'm never going to end it with Oculus that seems way premature to be like. [TS]
00:14:11 ◼ ► but it just seems like they're not connected at this point I mean I don't use Facebook I'm not I have a Facebook [TS]
00:14:21 ◼ ► but it doesn't mean that I automatically assume that every company Facebook acquires will suddenly be pulled into [TS]
00:14:33 ◼ ► or their flagship product is in a new sponsor this week called to check out number two [TS]
00:14:45 ◼ ► but just know it's the number to follow I work check to check out is one of the largest global brands in online [TS]
00:14:55 ◼ ► and stripe you probably heard of all of them to check out simplify selling across the globe with a localized checkout [TS]
00:15:02 ◼ ► experience they really focus on this worldwide thing so they adapt to local languages currencies [TS]
00:15:11 ◼ ► and available in one hundred ninety six countries over a hundred of the most relevant shopping carts [TS]
00:15:16 ◼ ► and many of the largest economies platforms have chosen to integrate with to check out even some that advertise here to [TS]
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00:15:41 ◼ ► system with over three hundred Euro stakes that they've come up with in the industry and new ones added frequently [TS]
00:15:46 ◼ ► and enhanced recurring billing features if you want to have a subscription priced good or service. [TS]
00:15:51 ◼ ► They have nice recurring billing features Now all this is available to their payment A.P.I. A.P.I. [TS]
00:16:01 ◼ ► and even simple rest requests that you can try out with her on the command line visit to check out dot com slash K.C. [TS]
00:16:18 ◼ ► You should really check it out it will be worth your thirty seconds to look at this page and look at the animation. [TS]
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00:16:29 ◼ ► To sign up for a free developer sandbox account and see for yourself how how great this is. [TS]
00:16:34 ◼ ► Once again to check out dot com slash Casey thank you very much but I wish these services existed [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► Yeah we had modems that would dial the credit card companies like over phone lines [TS]
00:16:47 ◼ ► and we had multiple ones that were using wrangling like you talk about D.P.S. and Stuff in your blog post Margo. [TS]
00:17:00 ◼ ► when I built the DE Instapaper subscription thing that was probably an I don't know twenty ten something like that. [TS]
00:17:08 ◼ ► Even then these things for you that you couldn't do secretion build like this so I had to use Pay Pal which I hated. [TS]
00:17:15 ◼ ► and I would never recommend using Pay Pal for anything to anybody especially subscriptions which is specially bad at [TS]
00:17:21 ◼ ► and that's saying a lot because Pay Pal is pretty bad a lot of things but it's it's especially bad at this. [TS]
00:17:28 ◼ ► Right so Amazon decided to get into the console T.V. Sort of game today and they released the Amazon Fire T.V. [TS]
00:17:53 ◼ ► I don't know I don't know if it's ever been used before but I dig it. So let's go with it. [TS]
00:17:57 ◼ ► I don't know puck to me seems round it's like a slice of it. So owner would be a puck. [TS]
00:18:01 ◼ ► How would you describe the shape. Well this is not a park like but the Roku and Apple T.V. [TS]
00:18:07 ◼ ► and they kind of define the first segment so now I am that's what I think that's why Amazon thing looks like about well [TS]
00:18:11 ◼ ► two reasons one because it's cheaper to build that way and I was a lot of things to be cheap [TS]
00:18:15 ◼ ► and to it's visually distinct from the two other big market leaders to be an oracle. [TS]
00:18:21 ◼ ► Fair enough it is it is a rectangular solid state of actually the square I don't know from the top of the square it [TS]
00:18:30 ◼ ► looks like it or it either way I think you're right it looks like all the edges are hard angles and it is just a box. [TS]
00:18:37 ◼ ► I think think of an Apple T.V. but Not rounded in anything just flat side six flat sides not around to direct. [TS]
00:18:44 ◼ ► Although I like the Roku and the Chromecast because it's remote does not need line of sight. [TS]
00:18:53 ◼ ► Yes I like it so much so one of the attributes of the thing only went over them on Twitter Mark OK how is it [TS]
00:19:01 ◼ ► Basically it's I mean it's not as a thing which you might think it has a lot of the same Absalom the same billet is [TS]
00:19:15 ◼ ► but the biggest difference they put in beefier hardware into it so we can play games. So that's one thing. [TS]
00:19:23 ◼ ► Probably And it also has this remote that if it works the way they advertise could be pretty cool because it is a [TS]
00:19:34 ◼ ► and you can apparently search by voice for what you're looking for which will be really nice. [TS]
00:19:45 ◼ ► Oh and they're selling an extra like game controller for it which John I'm sure you'll have a lot to say about maybe [TS]
00:19:50 ◼ ► but to me the game's part of it is probably not that important because I just I don't know. I think. [TS]
00:20:01 ◼ ► I could be totally wrong with this I think will will end up seeing what happens especially if Apple also makes like an [TS]
00:20:07 ◼ ► They can play games will see like how that market panned out of like the super cheap game box on T.V. [TS]
00:20:16 ◼ ► Box approach where the X.-Box is like the big beefy gaming machine that happens to have media functionality also that's [TS]
00:20:24 ◼ ► This is coming from the opposite direction this is like a media box that happens in a place and some games on. [TS]
00:20:33 ◼ ► or it doesn't take off looking at just the media side of this I think you know you can look at this look at this [TS]
00:20:48 ◼ ► If you want to watch things on Amazon streaming video you can't do that on Apple T.V. [TS]
00:20:53 ◼ ► and Almost everything else can do it but he can't. And so that's the main disconnect. [TS]
00:20:58 ◼ ► So if you want both Amazon Video and i Tunes compatibility you have to buy two devices. But don't forget H.B.O. [TS]
00:21:07 ◼ ► Go which is not on the Amazon thing as you pointed out on Twitter right now Carrie and I don't I don't have that [TS]
00:21:13 ◼ ► but a lot of people like it so yeah that's that in there so I think you know right now there is no one device that [TS]
00:21:20 ◼ ► covers everything. Well you said true though I agree with you but it doesn't by virtue of the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:21:48 ◼ ► and even this is on fire box I keep coming back to no matter what I'm going to want to have an Apple T.V. [TS]
00:21:56 ◼ ► Connected to my T.V. So I can do air play either streaming or mirroring. Well if I've already got this Apple T.V. [TS]
00:22:03 ◼ ► I can play Amazon Instant Video I'm assuming through their i Pad app or i Phone app I can use plaques [TS]
00:22:11 ◼ ► and In the grand scheme of things I wanted Hill to have native plaques and support within the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:22:19 ◼ ► but I can get pretty close by using my i Pad so it's not standalone which I wish it was [TS]
00:22:28 ◼ ► and that's that's going to be a popular option I think a lot of people like our friend Jason Snell in chat says that he [TS]
00:22:42 ◼ ► That's you know no question I think you can do that you can do airplane. I think any robust home T.V. [TS]
00:22:49 ◼ ► Solution if you're at if you have anything in the Apple ecosystem you're you are very well survey having Apple T.V. [TS]
00:22:55 ◼ ► and I think if you want complete coverage I would say the Apple T.V. and The Amazon Fire T.V. [TS]
00:23:02 ◼ ► Are probably going to be the that's going to be the combo that's good I think is going to is going to like for people [TS]
00:23:09 ◼ ► and that's going to be the company sets in because with Roku it seems like I've never used so maybe I'm missing the [TS]
00:23:20 ◼ ► Pretty much encompasses all the benefits to get from a Roku another of who has cheaper models [TS]
00:23:25 ◼ ► and an Amazon right now is not going cheaper than a hundred bucks which is surprising. [TS]
00:23:32 ◼ ► So if you if you ignore the price difference between the cheaper of who's And this I would say you know you you cover [TS]
00:23:44 ◼ ► and So I think that's really where people go who want to cover everything with the hardware. [TS]
00:23:50 ◼ ► I don't have a Roco either but everyone I know has one says that it that it has tons of content [TS]
00:24:00 ◼ ► That's in fact what I was going to say any other really neat thing about some if not all the modern Roku is is that [TS]
00:24:09 ◼ ► But I'm at least familiar enough to know that you can actually sit in bed for example. [TS]
00:24:13 ◼ ► Maybe your wife or husband or whatever is passed out next to you but you're still watching T.V. [TS]
00:24:21 ◼ ► or headphones into the remote which is you know within a foot of where you're sitting. And that's really cool. [TS]
00:24:29 ◼ ► So it all these things I think the real barrier may be the only barrier that Apple's put up is the whole ecosystem by [TS]
00:24:38 ◼ ► And look you can have a second screen experience with X. Ray which is really cool like their X. [TS]
00:24:42 ◼ ► Ray stuff is actually cool you know but your second screen experience like this or using your Kindle Fire [TS]
00:24:47 ◼ ► and you can take a video with you and watch it on your fire and then resume and in watching on your big T.V. [TS]
00:24:54 ◼ ► and I'm assuming Amazon bore them to come out with apps for the i Pad to do all these things but Apple T.V. [TS]
00:25:01 ◼ ► Hey you buy stuff on the i Tunes store and you've got on your i Pad and you've got it on your phone [TS]
00:25:05 ◼ ► and you go I called all Apple's cloud stuff saying yeah you can only buy stuff on the i Tunes Store on Apple T.V. [TS]
00:25:11 ◼ ► but Once you buy it there you can use it all you know as long as all your devices are Apple [TS]
00:25:19 ◼ ► and you can use all your devices they're not going to force you to buy a can of are they going to try to be everywhere [TS]
00:25:24 ◼ ► but maybe you don't want to have a Kindle Fire like like well I'd rather have an i Pad [TS]
00:25:33 ◼ ► or they've got a phone a tablet computer and and a T.V. Thing they just have a small portion of that it's pretty cool. [TS]
00:25:41 ◼ ► but it's kind of like it spreads them thin air whereas Apple's us like what we're going to make sure it's the best [TS]
00:25:47 ◼ ► and We're going to make that available on your mac and on your phone on your tablet [TS]
00:25:53 ◼ ► And that's tough to compete with that big ecosystem because I'm I'm going to I still want an i Pad instead of a Kindle [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Advantaged for me to get him is noble it has integration with a kind of farm I don't care about that you know I don't I [TS]
00:26:07 ◼ ► Doesn't have Kindle Fire integration I don't and is not going to make me buy this to get you know so I feel better [TS]
00:26:15 ◼ ► but a couple of different other differences between the same empathy that I think are worth pointing out both good [TS]
00:26:21 ◼ ► One is that this does have a warrant apparently at the power supply is not internal so you have to have another one as [TS]
00:26:27 ◼ ► big plug shoving into the big power strip that's behind your entertainment center which is kind of annoying [TS]
00:26:32 ◼ ► or kind of a shame since it does look like it's actually a little bigger than Apple T.V. [TS]
00:26:41 ◼ ► and embarrassing the Apple still does not have that you know I think it has no fan inside it someone's posted a link to [TS]
00:26:49 ◼ ► an exploded view from the presentation it looks like there's no place for a fan in there [TS]
00:26:54 ◼ ► and it makes sense if it's using like you know cell phone caliber parts that it would need to fan the box is plenty big [TS]
00:26:58 ◼ ► to have you know passive cooling for the for the insides there but I think the whole reason this box [TS]
00:27:06 ◼ ► It's Apple's fault for not making apple he better fast enough like the whole thing with Apple's i go they keep you know [TS]
00:27:13 ◼ ► and before you know they're so far from where they've gone just look at how much more amazing the i Phone five is than [TS]
00:27:17 ◼ ► the original i Phone. Sure that's for the products they care about but for these hobby products of Apple T.V. [TS]
00:27:25 ◼ ► and the software features like this is worse than like I was one point no one there oh you got a big grid of icons that [TS]
00:27:32 ◼ ► and we keep adding new icons to it kind of sort of like think of how much better could be we should have search across [TS]
00:27:44 ◼ ► but give us something like There's nothing that that Amazon a Roku has done that Apple couldn't have done years ago [TS]
00:27:54 ◼ ► and it will make sense that they've been you know like they're going for such a huge jump over what's come before it [TS]
00:28:05 ◼ ► and pass them in so many areas for for no good reason other than just not putting the resources toward that no good [TS]
00:28:11 ◼ ► reason that we know of yet again if they come up with some like and here's our grand plan for T.V. [TS]
00:28:18 ◼ ► and that's where they were considering all they are right now just like they are letting people catch up with them [TS]
00:28:25 ◼ ► It's you know whether or not I buy one of these devices it's making me less satisfied with my Apple T.V. [TS]
00:28:29 ◼ ► To know it's like come on Apple everyone else is doing this you've got your stupid you know. I.R. [TS]
00:28:37 ◼ ► and occasionally as Merlin will point out occasionally I see the stupid little spinner [TS]
00:28:41 ◼ ► and it gives me an obscure our message and I have to go unplug lamp T.V. and It annoys me and it makes me sad. [TS]
00:28:49 ◼ ► It's still my favorite Netflix clan I still go to internet place because it has no fan in it [TS]
00:28:53 ◼ ► and because it's better than that sucks client built into my television which has to be on so that's its competition [TS]
00:29:00 ◼ ► and it's second place because it has no fan so what you think about this controller the game controller. [TS]
00:29:14 ◼ ► So I'm assuming the game controllable not be all that wonderful at their gaming ambitions that kind of reminds me to [TS]
00:29:21 ◼ ► remember that thing the kick started Android based console used on that thing also apparently had a terrible controller [TS]
00:29:27 ◼ ► but like it's tough to break into the game business like especially We just want to go casual like oh [TS]
00:29:33 ◼ ► You'll get like it's like being a mac gamer you get maybe if you're lucky you'll get a pop. [TS]
00:29:38 ◼ ► The most popular three games from a couple years ago and other platforms that all real gamers have already played [TS]
00:29:45 ◼ ► and I know I am of the hired a bunch of gaming people to write games for their platform or whatever [TS]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and it's like it's really difficult to to get critical mass in gaming you really need to be dedicated to it if you want [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Again if you just want to be the kind of casual games then you competing with the i O. S. [TS]
00:30:05 ◼ ► and stuff that's difficult to do to the controllers are forty bucks each if you buy two controllers you're almost [TS]
00:30:13 ◼ ► and they're not that appear not to be very good controllers from looking at how they're shaped [TS]
00:30:18 ◼ ► and I can imagine shape aside that Amazon's first controller is up to the standards of a good controller from Microsoft [TS]
00:30:27 ◼ ► but also I mean it's a type of thing where it's like if they didn't do it it's just like Apple I mean [TS]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and the Amazon way is like look we've got the hardware there you can play games we can still sell for ninety nine bucks [TS]
00:30:40 ◼ ► and it takes off fine if it doesn't then it's just another little thing that your T.V. [TS]
00:30:43 ◼ ► Can do like there's so many things that are devices or go to our T.V. Can do like my T.V. Can do the T.V. [TS]
00:30:52 ◼ ► or Netflix I can stream from my phonology I can pull things from my mac like it does just the television does that like [TS]
00:31:03 ◼ ► and everything is as support for a deal on a server as it just is just a question of which box you want to use [TS]
00:31:08 ◼ ► and it's it's just you know who who has the exclusives well i Tunes stuff is only from Apple [TS]
00:31:21 ◼ ► and it's just like it's enough already like they're not I'm glad there's a little bit of competition here to try to [TS]
00:31:26 ◼ ► keep Apple honest and try to make their puck better get a really needs to be improved sometime soon [TS]
00:31:32 ◼ ► but having more little pucks to connect to my T.V. Is not really solving my problem. [TS]
00:31:38 ◼ ► Yeah and that's that's the frustrating part is you know because honestly this is a lot like cable T.V. [TS]
00:31:44 ◼ ► Business always always has been and still is you know we we ask these tech companies Oh please come in [TS]
00:31:52 ◼ ► But they're just doing the exact same thing which is company A has exclusive content X. You know Company B. Has it. [TS]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Platform why. And all these things make it so that there is no like one good solution for everything. [TS]
00:32:05 ◼ ► It's just it's annoying because you know these problems are pretty much doomed to happen you know because these [TS]
00:32:15 ◼ ► business models because of just what happens with publishing content owning content you know making ecosystems on [TS]
00:32:21 ◼ ► ecosystems it will never be in any these companies' best interests to make something that is actually good for us [TS]
00:32:28 ◼ ► because they'll make it because somebody will have less control or make less money as a result of that. [TS]
00:32:32 ◼ ► Well these cable companies like who you got your cable home for so you had a few choices but everybody offered to H.B.O. [TS]
00:32:39 ◼ ► but you get you going to be an everywhere like there's no way if you lived where if you cable T.V. [TS]
00:32:45 ◼ ► You couldn't get like H.B.O. Showtime E.S.P.N. M.T.V. Like you can always get those things. [TS]
00:32:48 ◼ ► This the exclusive her money more like the game console space where like if you want to love to get a magazine console [TS]
00:33:06 ◼ ► and it would annoy like real hardcore gamers who have to buy multiple consuls just for the three [TS]
00:33:14 ◼ ► but there's a constant battle to see how many big players in the game console space can can be sustained. [TS]
00:33:20 ◼ ► You can have fifty of them there's just not enough people are going to buy fifty console so the numbers seem to be [TS]
00:33:26 ◼ ► Connected puck market we had apple and Roku basically and a couple of the people coming here [TS]
00:33:35 ◼ ► and Roku I think you could probably sustain them with them jockeying for exclusive content [TS]
00:33:40 ◼ ► but then you've got companies like Netflix that want to be everywhere that also are trying to get exclusive content [TS]
00:33:48 ◼ ► and it's it's a weird weird situation that hopefully going to resolve itself sometime in the next decade or two [TS]
00:34:11 ◼ ► and it could be that by the time the dust settles they are just fenced out by whoever the two [TS]
00:34:15 ◼ ► or three big people who won that race are oh yeah I don't see that Google being present in this in this race at all [TS]
00:34:21 ◼ ► because it's always been like you were not always obviously this is everything in tech is pretty young [TS]
00:34:26 ◼ ► but it's been pretty obvious for a while that the online media market of you know video video content mainly is really [TS]
00:34:36 ◼ ► a two horse race. It's Apple versus Amazon you know Microsoft has their own deals with like X. [TS]
00:34:43 ◼ ► and you know Google has a couple of things in the Play Store and stuff or Google's got You Tube though [TS]
00:34:48 ◼ ► and you would think like you know you choose not the same thing You Tube is just a bunch of videos there's not T.V. [TS]
00:34:53 ◼ ► but the amount of like video that my daughter now watches it's You Tube I think it's long since clips television she [TS]
00:35:01 ◼ ► she watches you tube instead of watching television I don't know that's a trending thing and it will go away [TS]
00:35:11 ◼ ► and on Google is trying to do Google Video remember that before they bought You Tube Well they made their mother said [TS]
00:35:19 ◼ ► and You Tube is everywhere You Tube is available on my T.V. Is available on my Apple T.V. [TS]
00:35:23 ◼ ► I'm assuming it's available on Amazon things so Google kind of as a worthless race [TS]
00:35:29 ◼ ► Well and it's probably not in Google's best interest to ever withhold You Tube from a platform and they had Google T.V. [TS]
00:35:38 ◼ ► Like they did make they were the only people to actually try to do my own Everest boxing and I did a bad job of it [TS]
00:35:44 ◼ ► and it was never going to work because everybody entire industry hates the idea of such a thing even if it worked well [TS]
00:35:54 ◼ ► and they were early with like a big giant platypus awkward thing and it didn't work out for them till they were done. [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Try now I don't I feel like all of this is really about licensing and I say that because the Amazon Fire T.V.. [TS]
00:36:09 ◼ ► Isn't available outside the US right. I don't know that Amazon is historically very bad at non-U.S. [TS]
00:36:21 ◼ ► and additionally I think you're right John in saying that we're just kind of running in circles around just getting [TS]
00:36:29 ◼ ► In different ways but the only way I think there's going to be a monumental shift in how T.V. [TS]
00:36:34 ◼ ► Works is if licensed licensing deals change so for example I can go online and order a league [TS]
00:36:48 ◼ ► and May be off to pay for that and that's fine but I don't need to worry about whether [TS]
00:36:54 ◼ ► It's just I get to see the Giants always Or perhaps you know you could buy a season pass for How I Met Your Mother [TS]
00:37:01 ◼ ► which obviously just ended but just for the sake of discussion you have met your mother [TS]
00:37:05 ◼ ► and you can get those episodes either as they are live or moments after and I think without probably sports [TS]
00:37:17 ◼ ► or Game of Thrones is another great example of not seen it but I understand it's wildly popular [TS]
00:37:24 ◼ ► So without fixing them I don't really feel like any of these pucks are really going to make a tremendous difference in [TS]
00:37:35 ◼ ► Well the pucks to the pucks are important because the pucks give you something they can get better at a faster rate [TS]
00:37:50 ◼ ► or maybe only two generations of the little Black Hawk before they went from the big giant crazy thing like of Iowa [TS]
00:38:06 ◼ ► The ten update wasn't that long ago but it was like a nothing update and they keep channels [TS]
00:38:13 ◼ ► or the i Phone come in that same distance this obvious features that their competitors are getting I mean an hour mode [TS]
00:38:19 ◼ ► Voice Search notion U.I. Games support anything like all these things with there for the taking and not taking it like. [TS]
00:38:25 ◼ ► And so I'm glad to see the parks out there trying like a broker who has improved its hardware and software by leaps [TS]
00:38:40 ◼ ► You know it's cheaper now you know about that you can buy a new one of these every two years not feel bad about it [TS]
00:38:49 ◼ ► It lets it lets them chase each other make the tech better make it faster maybe maybe it is more fun to game consuls [TS]
00:38:59 ◼ ► but like getting a better new television like the worst thing that could happen at this point because you want these [TS]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and aerated iterate to get through this awkward beginning period just to kind of settle down to like the feature set [TS]
00:39:10 ◼ ► and you know if they end up being gaming devices they can never settle down because games we always need more power for [TS]
00:39:15 ◼ ► like you'll never say well this game consuls good novel uses the next twenty years you will not it will not be good [TS]
00:39:19 ◼ ► enough for twenty years like do you want the newest thing eventually so I'm glad these parks exist as an external thing [TS]
00:39:26 ◼ ► but like it's not going to be some consolidation coming and I think is going be a long way off. [TS]
00:39:33 ◼ ► You mentioned sports with a local blackout that's probably not going to go away in our lifetime just because of the [TS]
00:39:38 ◼ ► huge amount of money in local television that's going to take forever to get rid of [TS]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and so there's so many barriers to actually you know if you can just wipe the slate clean [TS]
00:39:46 ◼ ► and say we have the internet pretend there is no pre-existing video let's make a system built on it you could build [TS]
00:39:54 ◼ ► and as competition never get every content they want for a reasonable price but we don't live in that world. [TS]
00:40:00 ◼ ► We're going to transition from what we have now to take a long time you know I completely agree [TS]
00:40:05 ◼ ► but is there someone is there a sport that like Team Mobile where they're just seriously desperate to get viewers [TS]
00:40:22 ◼ ► but from what I gather they're there streaming apps and plans and so on and so forth are actually fairly good [TS]
00:40:32 ◼ ► and I think there are still black outs for sure but they're relatively future looking [TS]
00:40:40 ◼ ► Never got to this point but wellness all this stuff about concussions actually people pay attention to it [TS]
00:40:49 ◼ ► For the sake of conversation get so desperate that they're like you know what screw the local channels let's just do [TS]
00:40:57 ◼ ► but you know what I'm driving at right is there any sport like that yellow there's W W E which I read an article by [TS]
00:41:10 ◼ ► and they embrace the Internet as a way to get their content to their viewers because they couldn't get a challenge of [TS]
00:41:16 ◼ ► trying to get like a channel or wrestling channel on cable naked getting a rebuff so they go on the Internet. [TS]
00:41:21 ◼ ► There's also e-sports which is watching people play video games for people who don't know the terminology I think of [TS]
00:41:28 ◼ ► getting it right that's what I call e-sports anyway. It's wildly popular in other countries. [TS]
00:41:46 ◼ ► or in any way to send a video to people that don't have a president regular television aren't entangled in these crazy [TS]
00:41:52 ◼ ► relationships for things like baseball and football and you know in the rest of the world I don't know that there are. [TS]
00:42:02 ◼ ► but I suppose if you wait for the current generation of people to all die maybe two generations [TS]
00:42:09 ◼ ► and for people to die then people won't care about watching things on local television anymore [TS]
00:42:15 ◼ ► and I'll just be so incensed that they can't watch their local team on their i Pad that it will just have to change. [TS]
00:42:20 ◼ ► But certainly for the people who are alive today you got to wait for pretty much all everyone who was an adult [TS]
00:42:26 ◼ ► when the Internet came into being to die before we can get like a local television out from the local television [TS]
00:42:31 ◼ ► markets for things like baseball because like how much money the Yankees make from selling exclusive rights to local [TS]
00:42:40 ◼ ► Yeah I know you're right I'm just I kind of hope for some sport that's the sporting equivalent of T. [TS]
00:42:46 ◼ ► Mobile to be so desperate to just shake things up to just say you know what screw T.V. [TS]
00:42:51 ◼ ► Let's in I think W W E was actually very good example where you just say Screw T.V. [TS]
00:42:59 ◼ ► and I don't think there's going to be anyone that people care enough about kind of like T. [TS]
00:43:04 ◼ ► Mobile to really get a groundswell to push the N.F.L. or M L B or whatever into being more progressive. [TS]
00:43:13 ◼ ► See what happens with the mobile first strategy seems to be employed Altucher point for point. [TS]
00:43:18 ◼ ► Nigga still he's doing things that that at launch sound like oh my God this is this is really going be a big deal [TS]
00:43:26 ◼ ► but because there are I mean there are barriers infrastructure it's like you know they would never do that if they had [TS]
00:43:31 ◼ ► the cell towers that horizon but if they had the cell towers that Verizon has they wouldn't you know need to do that [TS]
00:43:36 ◼ ► and it's just it's a chicken egg thing so I think it's good that you have you know competitors who need to do more [TS]
00:43:42 ◼ ► but it doesn't it doesn't solve their sort of structural weakness like suddenly your signal doesn't get better [TS]
00:43:49 ◼ ► depending on where you live you know you just there's no getting around physical structure the wires to the old houses [TS]
00:43:53 ◼ ► or cell towers. Thanks because cell tower that put piece somewhere way down a topic that we happened to get to it. [TS]
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00:46:38 ◼ ► and we actually talked about this back before they had an idea what it would look like back [TS]
00:47:05 ◼ ► So this what's new now is that we now have a rendering of what it might look like from the U.S.B. [TS]
00:47:13 ◼ ► If so I'm not sure if this is actually news or not what I think of News of it if it's accurate. [TS]
00:47:22 ◼ ► Yeah like if they ran the rendering is not just fantasy but just like this is what we planned to build [TS]
00:47:33 ◼ ► Yeah pretty much and you know the rendering basically looks like the halfway point between lightning and mini U.S.B. [TS]
00:47:43 ◼ ► when we first talked about it I think I said that like it has to look like a lightning connector because what else can [TS]
00:47:48 ◼ ► you do in anything that small it has to be like Oh I think that trees are so darn small Certainly you can't make it [TS]
00:47:55 ◼ ► Connector will work at those sizes which is why lightning looks like it does but then a. [TS]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Bill said I think you guys about it like well lightning is expensive to make and you can't be as precious [TS]
00:48:05 ◼ ► and beautiful Lightning connector has to be cheap for everybody to make I just think they can come up with a connector [TS]
00:48:12 ◼ ► and also not pretty much exactly like a lightning connector like a solid piece of metal with contacts side [TS]
00:48:17 ◼ ► and looks like from these drawings that they've somehow decided that they're going to make it the size [TS]
00:48:26 ◼ ► So the in the connector slot is a little more must be a microscopic extremely thin little thing with contacts on it [TS]
00:48:33 ◼ ► that goes into the hole in the connector in a grand and it fits both ways and it should be pretty easy to line that up. [TS]
00:48:41 ◼ ► but once you get down to that size the lighting had to make so much sense it's like it's going to be so small anyway [TS]
00:48:49 ◼ ► I can't like I don't I will have to see the real I guess is conceivable that it could be done [TS]
00:48:55 ◼ ► but I'm super worried about having to shove a little tiny thing inside a little tiny microscopic hole even if it fits [TS]
00:49:03 ◼ ► Yeah I think about too that the Jack side of it is going to be on phones which means we're going to be in people's [TS]
00:49:09 ◼ ► and the hat like to have the tolerances be so small like you know we saw some of this with the old thirty pin dock an [TS]
00:49:16 ◼ ► actor which had a similar kind of design but it was larger of course was way bigger way bigger than this look. [TS]
00:49:23 ◼ ► but you know you can see like OK if you have a really really thin you know flat car type you know connector on one side [TS]
00:49:31 ◼ ► and then like you know a jack on the other side like you know cable doesn't get in there it's going to have weird [TS]
00:49:37 ◼ ► contacts going to have weird you know pressure issues it might snap it or bended or whatever like [TS]
00:49:42 ◼ ► and that was at that thickness for the dock connector that that actually happened didn't happen a lot [TS]
00:49:46 ◼ ► but it did occasionally happen. At this this is an even smaller connector by a lot. [TS]
00:49:52 ◼ ► It's narrower sibilant there's less area to bend and it just seems that looks like if they can. [TS]
00:50:01 ◼ ► and not as lightning because of that because of that you know more complicated physical design in the connector [TS]
00:50:12 ◼ ► I just have doubts that they will be able to or that if they do I have doubts it'll be very durable. [TS]
00:50:18 ◼ ► I'm going to go around everyone's laptop or our Smart roll on these connectors on a stick by fingernail [TS]
00:50:23 ◼ ► and there you go snap you know you can actually broken right interesting region there with different email snap every [TS]
00:50:30 ◼ ► one of those who wants a little printed circuit board snaps that like it's such a small opening and dust [TS]
00:50:35 ◼ ► and everything. The stopping small of any way that I think dust might might even be a problem. [TS]
00:50:39 ◼ ► People who keep their like i Phones in their pocket now I don't know what gets shoved to the Lightning connector. [TS]
00:50:45 ◼ ► and height of that connector this year less than having it something's less than half the width of that connector can [TS]
00:50:59 ◼ ► and what could that time be made out of such that it stiffen up to go into the little hole in the line up correctly. [TS]
00:51:16 ◼ ► and crappy is because one of their design goals has always been to be very very cheap [TS]
00:51:23 ◼ ► Why live a little to its name because it was really cheap to implement and the harbours are really cheap [TS]
00:51:29 ◼ ► and there are you know the tolerances were pretty big in some of these things that you could make a pretty whacked out [TS]
00:51:37 ◼ ► And obviously as things get better faster more advanced that you know the tolerances are going to have to shrink [TS]
00:51:41 ◼ ► but this I am I'm afraid to see how this will be implemented badly because it will be everything the U.S.B. [TS]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Our external drive enclosure or something like those are going to have not the best quality connectors on them [TS]
00:52:06 ◼ ► and if this becomes a new standard which you know if it doesn't it's kind of pointless. [TS]
00:52:19 ◼ ► Those are going to have some really dodgy connectors I think I think about this I think about this is the present Apple [TS]
00:52:26 ◼ ► devices which I think we would all agree have extremely precise cut outs for the connectors on them like a laser cut [TS]
00:52:36 ◼ ► But Apple also has a tendency to you know design it's things without regard to connectors so for example on the back of [TS]
00:52:42 ◼ ► a twenty seven inch thunderbolt display or any of those curved displays they have U.S.B. [TS]
00:52:49 ◼ ► but the ports obviously have to be you have to plug the plugs in perpendicular to the connector [TS]
00:52:55 ◼ ► and these are big chunky full size U.S.B. Know the a type connector like you know regular U.S.B. [TS]
00:53:02 ◼ ► Connectors very often I find it difficult to plug in the connectors because you're not sure what angle it supposed to [TS]
00:53:08 ◼ ► go out and I've seen Apple displays where people have done that struggle like trying to get the thing plugged in [TS]
00:53:14 ◼ ► and not that they've suddenly bent the little plastic thingy that's inside a U.S.B. [TS]
00:53:19 ◼ ► Connectors to make makes it even more difficult to plug it in because now it's kind of like bend in the wrong direction [TS]
00:53:23 ◼ ► he had to kind of get past that little threshold to go in and these are the big humongous chunky U.S.B. [TS]
00:53:29 ◼ ► Connectors that they have they haven't broken. But they're knowing to plug in because you have to line something up. [TS]
00:53:34 ◼ ► And by people struggling with it they've made it worse by bending something in the wrong direction this is going to be [TS]
00:53:40 ◼ ► that same problem on Apple devices anyway multiplied many times over by the way I know this is a ridiculous thing to [TS]
00:53:47 ◼ ► complain about but try having a cylindrical computer it's actually substantially worker. [TS]
00:53:51 ◼ ► Oh you have if you had to guess what angle they have to go and I don't like you deserve it. I do you're right. [TS]
00:53:57 ◼ ► If you're having trouble with this when you can get it. It's under my way whether or not your hand. [TS]
00:54:02 ◼ ► But like the beauty of the Lightning connector is that if you can find the hole just start shoving [TS]
00:54:08 ◼ ► and it will align itself like there's nothing you have to line up it within the hole you have to get the metal thing [TS]
00:54:13 ◼ ► into the slot and just press and it will it will light self up which is not true of U.S.B. [TS]
00:54:17 ◼ ► or Firewire eight hundred even worse like five or eight hundred connector needs to be burned with fire I guess. [TS]
00:54:24 ◼ ► So hard to plug things into they have so many little details that have to be lined up. [TS]
00:54:28 ◼ ► Try pulling on one of those in the back of an apple Thunderball display most of that is Apple's fault [TS]
00:54:32 ◼ ► but I'm just saying like a connector that can tolerate that type of environment is best [TS]
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00:57:56 ◼ ► employee poaching thing. That seems to have started in the valley but spread quiet a long ways away from there. [TS]
00:58:06 ◼ ► So what this is about is Apple and Google especially seem to be pointed at the most. [TS]
00:58:12 ◼ ► But many companies I think the number was like twenty or thirty companies something like that were accused of [TS]
00:58:26 ◼ ► and made agreements that they would try to keep wages the same not hire from each other it really is extremely crummy [TS]
00:58:34 ◼ ► And so this is false it's in trial now is that correct. Neither of us have been a no I don't know. [TS]
00:58:42 ◼ ► I I don't know enough about this. Do we know for sure the articles I've read which admittedly have not been enough. [TS]
00:58:53 ◼ ► but I haven't actually seen anything about the way things have seen anti-poaching agreements which you know might have [TS]
00:59:00 ◼ ► but is there actual were they actually agreeing to like keep salary levels at a certain range [TS]
00:59:10 ◼ ► but it's all it's all the same thing you can agree with a bunch of companies all can't agree with each other. [TS]
00:59:15 ◼ ► and you want higher for me in that way we will have to pay our people more like us the implied secondary effect [TS]
00:59:20 ◼ ► and it's actually even worse than that if you saw some of the e-mails I think it's going to be in trial now because I [TS]
00:59:25 ◼ ► One situation that was detailed in these it was either a deposition or e-mail or both. [TS]
00:59:30 ◼ ► It was like a bunch of people left Apple and went to work for Google So Google didn't post them. [TS]
00:59:40 ◼ ► and Google wanted to set them up I forgot the skills group be able to set them up doing something in an office [TS]
00:59:47 ◼ ► And before they did that they were in touch with Steve Jobs and say hey we've got some people here [TS]
00:59:53 ◼ ► and they want they want to set them up in an office here is that OK with you Steve I know you were close to these [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► And and they're like well you know they were talking myself I was one of those and I work in an i Phone stuff [TS]
01:00:05 ◼ ► or whatever I bet it will be OK with Steve like. So first of all the whole premise that you have to call the C.E.O. [TS]
01:00:10 ◼ ► Of your competitor to make sure that you are allowed to hire his employees who left of their own accord. [TS]
01:00:15 ◼ ► It's crazy and then saying well we can we can hire them make sure they're not working [TS]
01:00:18 ◼ ► and you know make Steve angry so we can have them work on mobile phone or anything like that. [TS]
01:00:22 ◼ ► But surely if we agree they're not going to work in a mobile phone starts they will be OK with it [TS]
01:00:26 ◼ ► Steve Jobs then so I said I would prefer you don't hire those people and so he didn't like it [TS]
01:00:31 ◼ ► and they didn't put in the work and that office they were going to set up for them like that is that's crazy. [TS]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and just like what's going through these people's heads these companies are that this is the way things should be done [TS]
01:00:45 ◼ ► that you know that you would like get the OK to look at what your employees are going to do [TS]
01:00:53 ◼ ► or whether you're going to hire people from your like your fiercest competitor obviously this is maybe before they [TS]
01:00:58 ◼ ► already tell this throat but it just make you sick to your stomach to think about that like these people's lives [TS]
01:01:04 ◼ ► and careers are altered by the whim of like a person who runs the company they don't work for anymore. [TS]
01:01:11 ◼ ► Right and the other thing I saw was that apparently Facebook basically said screw that tough no B.S. [TS]
01:01:17 ◼ ► and Because of that apparently Google decided Well a lot of our people are going to Facebook [TS]
01:01:30 ◼ ► We should probably try to convince our people to stay although we could pay them more. [TS]
01:01:37 ◼ ► and so they just they gave everyone I think in the entire company a thousand dollar spot bonus [TS]
01:01:49 ◼ ► but yet because they weren't poaching I'm sorry because they were poaching Facebook was poaching Google people. [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► So markets your point earlier you know even though it may not enjoy saying this even though it may not on the surface [TS]
01:02:10 ◼ ► and this is totally like I mean this is not just an apple problem as many companies involved will [TS]
01:02:15 ◼ ► and many others like them go get it is the most famous and they're in the headlines right [TS]
01:02:18 ◼ ► but like regardless of all the other companies involved this is one hundred percent a Steve Jobs thing to do because in [TS]
01:02:24 ◼ ► his mind like he's like look I'm trying to do great things here and I need great people do great things [TS]
01:02:30 ◼ ► and makes harder for me to do great things so why don't we all captains of industry get together just agree not to [TS]
01:02:34 ◼ ► steal each other's people because it'll make everybody's life easier we all hate it now finally we can get back to work [TS]
01:02:39 ◼ ► which is basically putting Steve Jobs desires a desire to change the world Apple above the lives of all the employees [TS]
01:02:45 ◼ ► of all these companies like we don't care if you can get make more money or you can move to a different city [TS]
01:02:53 ◼ ► or whatever because I don't care about your mobility in your life I just care about doing great things [TS]
01:03:04 ◼ ► and like someone in the chair asked why on earth would it would do go ask Apple if it was OK if they're legally in the [TS]
01:03:09 ◼ ► when they just hire the person like the whole point googled in one apple stealing it's people Apple did my Google thing [TS]
01:03:13 ◼ ► it's people who think that churn turnover the problem for both companies a raise they would have to raise all their all [TS]
01:03:20 ◼ ► and they just like look at these are for both of us if we just agree that still it has people [TS]
01:03:25 ◼ ► Mostly people think because most people want to go to work for Facebook alias maybe they're that point they're like pre [TS]
01:03:38 ◼ ► and Facebook's like we're not going to Grizz because we're stealing all of your people you and I still in our people [TS]
01:03:42 ◼ ► and the reason I think Facebook was stealing all their people because they offered the more you have attentional to be [TS]
01:03:46 ◼ ► richer if you come to work for Facebook like they were younger company maybe you'll get some pre I.P.O. [TS]
01:03:51 ◼ ► Shares maybe you'll get some shares of that much bigger upside than these more mature companies will pay you more it's [TS]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Facebook was hiring people the old fashioned way and stealing people from everybody [TS]
01:04:03 ◼ ► and of course Facebook's not going to great with their whole strategy is we're going to steal all your employees by [TS]
01:04:07 ◼ ► offering them better stuff which like Casey pointed out made Google say well I guess the only until we have a retention [TS]
01:04:14 ◼ ► and in a competitive market where people of these skills are in high demand they're supposed to get paid more the [TS]
01:04:19 ◼ ► companies aren't supposed to collude to make sure that these people can't be mobile in their careers it's this whole [TS]
01:04:26 ◼ ► and I totally see it as like the the worst it's kind of like the good side of Steve Jobs [TS]
01:04:32 ◼ ► but the worst side of the jobs is he doesn't care you know what kind of damage he leaves in his wake to get what he [TS]
01:04:41 ◼ ► and all the other people who agreed to this it's it's a terrible attitude just makes me sick reading this whole story [TS]
01:04:48 ◼ ► John Gruber's been doing some great commentary on this because it really does show like this is the kind of thing that [TS]
01:05:02 ◼ ► and I think this is one of them where I don't allow out of people I really don't think this would have happened with [TS]
01:05:08 ◼ ► Tim Cook at the helm because he's it's not really his style he's very careful he's like he's very pragmatic he's he's [TS]
01:05:15 ◼ ► very kind of unemotional about these things he seems he's also very cutthroat So I not sure about this because he he is [TS]
01:05:25 ◼ ► very demanding and cut throat. Thus far it's a good bet like this from the outside. [TS]
01:05:30 ◼ ► The image that Tim copra Trey's we all have trouble seeing him doing stuff like this where we don't have trouble seeing [TS]
01:05:38 ◼ ► It's not quite accurate to make this all about money and wages because he's for all the companies involved. [TS]
01:05:49 ◼ ► and whether this to keep their wages down. I don't think that has anything to do with his end of it all. [TS]
01:05:52 ◼ ► I think his and if it was all about like vengeance and control and he didn't want to boil tea right. [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Didn't want to lose his people to like to this evil company Google that was stealing his products from him like that's [TS]
01:06:12 ◼ ► and salaries were simply a side effect of it that he probably didn't even think or care about. [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► Well that's a thing he thinks you should stay there because you want to like he's like I shouldn't have to pay you more [TS]
01:06:21 ◼ ► you should stay here because the working rapport you had to work for the best company in the world [TS]
01:06:29 ◼ ► But at the same time he also didn't want to lose those people who is like well it's a he's Of Two Minds who thinks like [TS]
01:06:36 ◼ ► but I'm going to make sure that even if you want to leave you couldn't because you wouldn't get anything better [TS]
01:06:42 ◼ ► and you're like if you really want to be able to stay here just pay them more money. [TS]
01:06:46 ◼ ► Well no see no that's the problem that's the other flaw in this argument is that engineers especially people who are [TS]
01:06:53 ◼ ► out on the West Coast you can choose between many very well known tech companies to work for without really uprooting [TS]
01:07:01 ◼ ► It's like these companies get employees they get talent because of what they're doing [TS]
01:07:13 ◼ ► and generally speaking if somebody is thinking about leaving Apple for Google say giving them ten thousand dollars more [TS]
01:07:19 ◼ ► an apple is not going to really change that decision that for that long or at all. [TS]
01:07:23 ◼ ► It's really it's not a very effective way to keep people if you have people like looking around because they're bored [TS]
01:07:31 ◼ ► Money is a terrible way to fix that because it just doesn't work that well in the individual level maybe not [TS]
01:07:36 ◼ ► but in the grand scheme of things it does like that's why Facebook was able to grab these people like Apple is a more [TS]
01:07:41 ◼ ► exciting place to work than Facebook you're going to work in more interesting things that are more appealing to the [TS]
01:07:45 ◼ ► average engineer than you with Facebook like that's not even that depends on what kind of engineer your team your site [TS]
01:07:52 ◼ ► I think like even even if you get to be unlike the glory team where you get to like make the new cool paper app [TS]
01:08:01 ◼ ► and probably if you really care about your thing being used in a long term buy a lot of people you have to put your [TS]
01:08:08 ◼ ► Is probably going to have more longevity in impact than design even the very tip top flagship cool new U.I. [TS]
01:08:16 ◼ ► or whatever think like you know Apple has the Apple has the projects to offer people. [TS]
01:08:22 ◼ ► Facebook should never be able to steal people from Apple except on the server side which obviously that's a whole [TS]
01:08:33 ◼ ► and I know so little about what goes on in Apple but everyone I know who has work there like we see people coming go [TS]
01:08:44 ◼ ► but dislike because you burn out on it like it's tough to work with an apple is a hard job it's hard work. [TS]
01:08:50 ◼ ► There are crunch times kind of almost like a game developer you know like this this sort of crunch time that everyone [TS]
01:09:03 ◼ ► and within Google I think there used to be more latitude to do your own thing and less of a crunch time. [TS]
01:09:10 ◼ ► There's a lot of factors that contribute towards you know deciding whether you want to stay [TS]
01:09:17 ◼ ► but this type of agreement doesn't allow you the mobility shuts out all of those because they all agree not to hire [TS]
01:09:24 ◼ ► Like then you don't have to worry about making your employees happy or is in any way giving them more money [TS]
01:09:37 ◼ ► All those tools like it's like oh we don't worry about that anymore because where that where the heck are they going to [TS]
01:09:40 ◼ ► go we have this agreement with all the companies in the area. Yeah. So you go back a step. [TS]
01:09:46 ◼ ► This was all happening in two thousand and eight. Well all these e-mails that are coming out and Facebook I.P.O. [TS]
01:09:53 ◼ ► Was in twenty twelve. So it actually Facebook being able to poach all these people may have been. [TS]
01:10:01 ◼ ► and additionally from the pandal Daily article that put the show notes the combined work force of just these eleven [TS]
01:10:07 ◼ ► companies I'll read in real quick the second totaled over seven hundred seventy five thousand people in two thousand [TS]
01:10:30 ◼ ► and eight that were all at least in some capacity being shrouded beneath this do not poached agreement thing that's off [TS]
01:10:45 ◼ ► or encouraging about these companies at all it's likely Johns I just it's kind of a growth story it's just it's not [TS]
01:10:57 ◼ ► and it shows a lot of arrogance on all sides that like this is I mean obviously this is illegal. [TS]
01:11:05 ◼ ► and I'm I'm very surprised that any of these companies were stupid enough to do it especially by email for God's sake. [TS]
01:11:14 ◼ ► Yet To that end I was just going to read this. So this is a quote from an e-mail from Eric Schmidt C.E.O. Of Google. [TS]
01:11:21 ◼ ► Quote I would prefer that omit do it virtually since I don't want to create a paper trail over which we can be sued [TS]
01:11:26 ◼ ► later. Question mark. Not sure about this two periods. Thanks Eric of course is a two period guy. [TS]
01:11:34 ◼ ► He means a literal paper trail I guess but I mean do you not realize as the C.E.O. Of Google. [TS]
01:11:41 ◼ ► It is delicious delicious irony that this president doesn't care about anyone else. [TS]
01:11:48 ◼ ► and this is the same guy who was like oh privacy doesn't really matter it's not a thing nobody will really have privacy [TS]
01:11:53 ◼ ► anymore. God so ridiculously arrogant. Yeah I like the whole fact that they are in the thing I was talking. [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Where the trying to talk about this Steve give the OK Can we hire these people and it looks like those can be OK [TS]
01:12:05 ◼ ► but in Steve Jobs and the rack one of his tours emails I prefer you know highs people I also want to [TS]
01:12:09 ◼ ► or we can't we can't do it then like that's all happening over email too like it's almost as if not the ignorance of [TS]
01:12:15 ◼ ► the was a defense but if you read this you know do you guys not know that what you're doing is both illegal [TS]
01:12:26 ◼ ► and forth about it for the months leading up to it like that then seem like a good idea like so we're going to a bank [TS]
01:12:30 ◼ ► right OK I'll send you an email as a new tech start like you know like I said it's just they're so casual about it [TS]
01:12:38 ◼ ► and they like they communicate to each other you mail so casually about is like it's almost like they must not know [TS]
01:12:47 ◼ ► It's just so incredibly incriminating isn't like they were secretly taped there anything they're e-mailing each other [TS]
01:12:52 ◼ ► about it and they haven't they didn't delete the emails like it's just mind boggling and it really is ridiculous. [TS]
01:13:05 ◼ ► and I imagine that even this collusion was in effect once the big falling out between Apple [TS]
01:13:10 ◼ ► and Google like you know post i Phone like those agreements were off like last one Steve Jobs is saying to everybody [TS]
01:13:16 ◼ ► you know we're going to bury Google and they betrayed us they backstab those or whatever I imagine he also said [TS]
01:13:25 ◼ ► Broke the law and if there's a paper trail in electronic form you can get screwed for it anyway. [TS]
01:13:30 ◼ ► It's kind of a shame that like Tim Cook is left holding the bag in this type of deal like whether he knew anything knew [TS]
01:13:36 ◼ ► about it was part of it you know then maybe it's fitting but if he didn't know about it and or wasn't a part of it [TS]
01:13:45 ◼ ► and so whatever I mean I'm assuming will be a risk because it's always a risk lap of these big rich companies [TS]
01:13:52 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know I'm guessing it says I think I read somewhere that apparently a lot of the companies involved is [TS]
01:13:58 ◼ ► already settled. I'm really surprised that Apple didn't like the it seems like that with a pragmatic approach here. [TS]
01:14:05 ◼ ► Just settle this just take whatever it costs settle it quickly and quietly as well as weak as you can at least [TS]
01:14:11 ◼ ► and just get it get it past you because you had this is obviously like is obviously a thing of the past for most of [TS]
01:14:20 ◼ ► and especially as I really can't see Tim Cook wanting to be a part of this because he's he's too smart for that I think [TS]
01:14:27 ◼ ► the whole thing just grows the revenue Apple generated while we were discussing this would be enough to pay for the [TS]
01:14:33 ◼ ► settlement. So they're all set. Anything else. And we good. When I have a short one this week. [TS]
01:14:42 ◼ ► All right well thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week to check out Pixelmator and Warby Parker [TS]
01:14:48 ◼ ► and we will see you next week or so and you are sitting on the learn from my sister that skill list [TS]
01:15:24 ◼ ► and the team are actually what we should talk about is to be able to see theories you have that that should be pretty [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Theory so if you go to the Moscone schedule let me find a link and stall for a moment while I'm doing that. [TS]
01:16:13 ◼ ► And that goes on from the Friday that everyone expects it talking seventh or tenth [TS]
01:16:19 ◼ ► or fourteenth through thirteen through seventeen. I first the previous week June second or sixth. [TS]
01:16:30 ◼ ► Does that involve Moscone West because there's three Mosconi Now that's the thing. [TS]
01:16:35 ◼ ► So here you've hit the nail on the head so I see that I actually saw a few weeks ago that the American died of diabetes. [TS]
01:16:42 ◼ ► The American Diabetes Association seventy fourth lines of accessions that is in Moscone north south [TS]
01:16:48 ◼ ► and west from the thirteenth of June which is that Friday through the seventeenth which is the following Tuesday. [TS]
01:16:55 ◼ ► So there you go at the previous week. So. Well but no it's not quite so simple because what I know the D.C. [TS]
01:17:05 ◼ ► and so let's assume for the sake of conversation for just a moment that maybe they could flip it [TS]
01:17:45 ◼ ► but there's no real talk about Friday in Moscone west until I find what I just put in the chat special opportunities. [TS]
01:17:54 ◼ ► World Cup viewing room since Scientific Sessions will once again fall over fee for World Cup matches will set aside. [TS]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Miriam us in Moscone West so that attendees can catch up on the latest action without leaving a conference center [TS]
01:18:12 ◼ ► but I was talking with underscore earlier earlier today and he said it starts on like the twelfth [TS]
01:18:17 ◼ ► or the eleventh I forget exactly what day it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things with the point as it [TS]
01:18:24 ◼ ► So if you put all of this together that says to me that Moscone West is going to be clogged up on Thursday on Friday [TS]
01:18:32 ◼ ► the thirteenth of June so that eliminates the week of nine through thirteen the following week it is still covered by [TS]
01:18:43 ◼ ► the same eighty eight meetings so we've got nine through twenty all booked up which leaves twenty three thru twenty [TS]
01:18:54 ◼ ► Which means by process of elimination it's the second through the six or eight in August. [TS]
01:18:59 ◼ ► If it's in June and if it's still it must go on and I think that's I mean that's a problem. [TS]
01:19:06 ◼ ► Just because there's you know where else they gonna do it there's talk of this before so that it's almost certainly [TS]
01:19:15 ◼ ► It's just very likely it will be because that's how they've done it and it works out in a number of ways. [TS]
01:19:24 ◼ ► but it doesn't really matter where the dates are because then we all assume they're going to preannounce the dates in [TS]
01:19:27 ◼ ► the tickets and everything but he's not going to it's not going to be a surprise anymore. [TS]
01:19:31 ◼ ► It's like it's the only question now is like is there going to be like last year is there going to be a lottery [TS]
01:19:36 ◼ ► or whatever but I really doubt they would ever go back to the thing where it's like oh here it is [TS]
01:19:40 ◼ ► and go by like it's always going to be pre-announced So we just sit around and wait for them to preannounce [TS]
01:19:44 ◼ ► and say tickets will be on sale at X. Date and hears them are going to use and then we just all deal with it. [TS]
01:19:50 ◼ ► but it's nice to try to figure out what what the schedule is for example you know I was thinking of flying Arun out to [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Go out there together but yeah I looked at both the plane tickets and hotel fare a little while ago [TS]
01:20:06 ◼ ► and bad so well the prices are terrible the one hundred thirteenth they're almost livable the second to the six AS Per [TS]
01:20:15 ◼ ► Yeah I saw the park fifty five hotel is almost exactly the same price now as it was last year. [TS]
01:20:22 ◼ ► Downs as I look at the last of us I was looking it was like a hundred bucks more per night. [TS]
01:20:27 ◼ ► It was like it was like in the high hundreds like one hundred ninety two hundred ish like in that all that's really [TS]
01:20:33 ◼ ► Now that's yeah we will see effort for the second to say it was substantially I was talking underscore over to him [TS]
01:20:42 ◼ ► and I think honestly you know the more I think about the more I think that's really the only good option at this point [TS]
01:20:52 ◼ ► That's going to always be problematic you know if you want think if it was like are going to open at this time. [TS]
01:21:01 ◼ ► and it sells out in ten minutes so everyone has ten minutes like you can do YOU CAN A lot of people can get in ten minutes [TS]
01:21:06 ◼ ► but if it sells out in like forty five seconds again like it did last year before being short of breaking [TS]
01:21:15 ◼ ► That way you know it's what you want is for all the people who really really want to get in to be able to get tickets. [TS]
01:21:24 ◼ ► Like there's there's too many people who qualify for that who people who really want to go. [TS]
01:21:29 ◼ ► There's just too many of those. And any system you make is only going to have a random subset of them effectively. [TS]
01:21:40 ◼ ► and make it a lottery it's not truly random anyway I like the idea of people being really rewarded for their enthusiasm [TS]
01:21:56 ◼ ► and then like the people who are sitting there hovering over the button as a second stick. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► On there you know synchronized clock they will be rewarded for their crazy enthusiasm for getting tickets [TS]
01:22:08 ◼ ► and the people who stroll in thirty seconds later I know I know it's a small window and it's crazy [TS]
01:22:13 ◼ ► but if you could eliminate the error a lottery is truly random like the people who just like I guess I'll put my hat in [TS]
01:22:25 ◼ ► and I don't think I like seeing some weight given to people who are more enthusiastic about going [TS]
01:22:31 ◼ ► and there's no way to express that enthusiasm if there's a four day window for you to put your hat in the ring for a [TS]
01:22:42 ◼ ► and have it so out in ten seconds is fine with me ten seconds is more than enough for him to like all the people who [TS]
01:22:52 ◼ ► Maybe it's all that in five seconds and three seconds like if they had to get an application that wouldn't break. [TS]
01:23:00 ◼ ► and so your spot of reserve you have five minutes a checkout and then the application won't fail [TS]
01:23:04 ◼ ► and you've got you know like there we have somebody has technology perhaps not Apple. Yes the problem here. [TS]
01:23:11 ◼ ► You're asking Apple for like a really complicated web app to be super reliable and fair and you have it right. [TS]
01:23:18 ◼ ► Right the whole thing and like it doesn't seem like how many people could there possibly be. [TS]
01:23:23 ◼ ► Let's say there's a million people who want to go to a really see I think that's way too big. [TS]
01:23:27 ◼ ► I feel like with with Apple's budget it is possible to set up a bunch of servers that serve like text only no images [TS]
01:23:36 ◼ ► when it's like I feel like I could write this thing for a million people or be ugly but it would work. [TS]
01:23:45 ◼ ► and I can make a fair system for reserving your spot for to be every see that me like gives you a token [TS]
01:23:53 ◼ ► and it sends you off to the real checkout process during which we checked in you know like it's not rocket science [TS]
01:24:00 ◼ ► You know the store checkout process or whatever that's not used to this kind of onslaught [TS]
01:24:04 ◼ ► but well I mean I think I think the reason why it broke so badly last year is that Apple really didn't seem to do it to [TS]
01:24:16 ◼ ► and it just was not designed will work whatever system whatever backend stuff was involved with those tickets in [TS]
01:24:28 ◼ ► and Apple half ass in the web service especially one meant for developers is nothing new at all [TS]
01:24:38 ◼ ► There's no sign that their priorities have changed in such a way that making a really amazing web service for [TS]
01:24:49 ◼ ► and that's why I think if you assume that it's going to be no better than last year if there's a big rush point like if [TS]
01:24:58 ◼ ► Just like last year I don't have any reason to believe that reasonably speaking it will be any better than last year [TS]
01:25:10 ◼ ► and I say that because I'm still grumbling about the fact that I had major ticket acquisition issues [TS]
01:25:17 ◼ ► But that being said how come we don't have the same problems with the last one or two i Phone [TS]
01:25:25 ◼ ► and i Pad pre-orders like if I recall correctly the five S. Did not have an online pre-order is that right. [TS]
01:25:31 ◼ ► Way more capacity though like the I don't think you have the the emphasizes rush because people know that there's not [TS]
01:25:41 ◼ ► and people knew there were five thousand i Pads available who would be the same disaster [TS]
01:25:47 ◼ ► and it spread out over you know like even people like waiting up till three am or whatever and getting through [TS]
01:25:55 ◼ ► but it's not like this is so much more capacity to such a limited number of tickets for this. [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Right but what I'm saying is let's say there's fifty thousand people that really want to go in. [TS]
01:26:06 ◼ ► Don't you think there'd be a lot more than fifty thousand people trying to pre-order a new i Phone [TS]
01:26:10 ◼ ► or i Pad on the moment at three am that it's available. Well but they have to make that work really well. [TS]
01:26:16 ◼ ► They have I mean John I think you're right that yes the demand probably is a little more spread out in that it isn't as [TS]
01:26:34 ◼ ► and deploying that because it's way more important to them think about how much of their revenue is directly from that [TS]
01:26:41 ◼ ► process on those couple days or even that night. But there's a lot of money that's a huge very important thing. [TS]
01:26:53 ◼ ► and everything saying how they're doing because they can't keep a store up for their most important product Meanwhile [TS]
01:26:58 ◼ ► if developers get you know a couple of their pages and everyone everyone's carts timeout [TS]
01:27:03 ◼ ► and there's always errors buying data about the conference. The Wall Street Journal doesn't give a crap about that. [TS]
01:27:09 ◼ ► but I guess what I'm saying is if they clearly have conquered this for i Devices Couldn't you use some of the same either [TS]
01:27:23 ◼ ► and also consider that from everything we can tell from the outside it seems like it was a pretty labor intensive [TS]
01:27:31 ◼ ► aftermath last year when everyone got half cooked on their orders and then people from Apple had to either email [TS]
01:27:37 ◼ ► or call everyone in fact I thought they called a lot of people saying hey we see you got halfway through this order do [TS]
01:27:44 ◼ ► you want to finish it and that is not something I would assume they expected to need to do [TS]
01:27:50 ◼ ► and if that's a ton of people you know it's a few thousand I mean a few thousand if it's only two interns doing all the [TS]
01:28:00 ◼ ► And I remember hearing about these calls happening I would say at least a couple weeks if not a month after the tickets [TS]
01:28:05 ◼ ► Well all of this argues in favor of Apple doing the lottery because if you think about it from Apple's perspective a [TS]
01:28:10 ◼ ► lottery is the best for them it makes them not be embarrassed about having a crappy thing that falls down [TS]
01:28:19 ◼ ► and The third advantage that it gives Apple is that it lets them cherry pick like they can you know. [TS]
01:28:25 ◼ ► Oh yeah it's a random quote unquote but behind the scenes Apple has the ability to go in that one and that one [TS]
01:28:32 ◼ ► and that one and now an OK And then you do the rest of them random and they do that anyway. [TS]
01:28:36 ◼ ► Oh they were they were doing that with the people who had problems like a lottery is by far the best from Apple's [TS]
01:28:42 ◼ ► perspective because it solves all the Apple's problem to does not solve all of the customer's problems [TS]
01:28:49 ◼ ► but if you just go about like what's best for Apple a lottery is it so if you if you want to take the easy bet it's [TS]
01:28:57 ◼ ► or will they care about how developers feel so it's you know we'll say well with Cabot that the thing is best for Apple [TS]
01:29:05 ◼ ► require them to do a little bit more work on the server side which makes a lot less likely. [TS]
01:29:10 ◼ ► Well the thing the thing the bus route doesn't require them to do any more server is really easy to get a little sign [TS]
01:29:21 ◼ ► and check out at your leisure with a special token code that you know like it's so much easier for them. [TS]
01:29:26 ◼ ► Oh didn't they do that the last iphone pre-order I did which I did the five S. In line but I believe for the four S. [TS]
01:29:34 ◼ ► or Maybe it was the it doesn't matter for something I got a kind of sort of token it basically said OK we see that you [TS]
01:29:47 ◼ ► but we have reserved one for you we will email you a link and let you finish the process later [TS]
01:29:54 ◼ ► Do you remember that Marco I don't although underscore said earlier that he thinks that how tech talk. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Were were done that tech talks were done by a lottery where you just like you enter your email [TS]
01:30:05 ◼ ► and then it is there I will let you know if you can come back out to have a system for us. [TS]
01:30:12 ◼ ► and will just like cancel the ones that we don't pick somebody within the bounds of like it is there's no time you know [TS]
01:30:18 ◼ ► it's like for ever and get your tickets in over the course of the next week no rush. [TS]
01:30:22 ◼ ► Doesn't matter when you do it like they have no problem supporting this and using whatever system they decide to use [TS]
01:30:29 ◼ ► and I think the extra control of them being able to cherry pick like the people who they want [TS]
01:30:34 ◼ ► and who they don't want they're just like they must be like yeah that's great we're going to do that [TS]
01:30:42 ◼ ► but I mean like like Marcos the realistic alternative is a repeat of last year because none of us believe that they can [TS]
01:30:49 ◼ ► or have the guts to make like a simple text only no javascript really tiny one button click this thing to reserve your [TS]
01:30:57 ◼ ► ticket you know like they would never do that because it wouldn't be the Apple way it would look all pretty [TS]
01:31:06 ◼ ► I mean that the way you can solve it with C.D.'s I mean that's that's not a problem can you apparently Apple can't [TS]
01:31:11 ◼ ► figure that out I have to have the pages during my check out last year had no C.S.S. [TS]
01:31:20 ◼ ► I just I can't you know as a developer of systems that handle these kind of traffic in the past I can't imagine like [TS]
01:31:27 ◼ ► the kind of like weird ancient limited infrastructure they must put in this task last year that caused this problem. [TS]
01:31:37 ◼ ► But there weren't because I mean the total demand has to be under a million half the total demand. [TS]
01:31:42 ◼ ► You know they have five thousand tickets they saw very quickly how many people do you think are actually trying to get [TS]
01:31:47 ◼ ► those tickets. Ten thousand twenty thousand fifty thousand maybe at most like how many could there really be. [TS]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Thing like that I think it was earlier I think was like No nine but it was it was like a month [TS]
01:32:06 ◼ ► So you look at you know the for I think it's twenty twelve was the first one that happened really fast [TS]
01:32:14 ◼ ► And so I can't imagine we went from twenty nine let's call it where it took a month to sell out to twenty ten where it [TS]
01:32:22 ◼ ► was quick. Can I refuse to call it twenty nine. Yeah. Well while this is accidental you know that's the way this. [TS]
01:32:30 ◼ ► Anyway the point is in two thousand nine hundred twenty twelve it was really uncomfortable and quick [TS]
01:32:37 ◼ ► and then twenty thirteen it was just unbearably quick I can't imagine that means there's more than fifty thousand [TS]
01:32:43 ◼ ► people and even now I feel like it's pretty aggressive that are there looking for tickets. What do you think this year. [TS]
01:32:51 ◼ ► Knowing what happened last year knowing what people did last year will you be going if you don't get a ticket. [TS]
01:32:58 ◼ ► I probably won't because like the videos are are so much you know the real time video that we didn't know were coming [TS]
01:33:09 ◼ ► That's probably enough for me to like I don't and I'm not sure if I need to be there for a minute. [TS]
01:33:15 ◼ ► and like if there are things that I would want to talk to people you know sort of behind the scenes about our in person [TS]
01:33:24 ◼ ► I can't get with the videos but depending on what the nouns that experience may be less important. [TS]
01:33:29 ◼ ► Yeah I mean it's not always about the sessions like like if I don't get a ticket I think what I'll be most disappointed [TS]
01:33:38 ◼ ► or not is the socialization that happens like in the common areas in Moscone during the day between the sessions I see [TS]
01:33:50 ◼ ► That's a very important thing to me is like that community engagement like had being around people of you know of our [TS]
01:33:57 ◼ ► industry and media. New people like being in the building to be there for all this. [TS]
01:34:03 ◼ ► If you just go and go for the social elements and you know drinking at the bar his friends afterwards [TS]
01:34:10 ◼ ► but it's not nearly as much rain in that's the thing is that I feel like I want to go for at least maybe two thirds of [TS]
01:34:23 ◼ ► Telling them work I like you know if I told work hey all funded from a financial perspective [TS]
01:34:28 ◼ ► but can I I'm kind of not work for a week and not have thinking isn't that going to be a tough sell. [TS]
01:34:34 ◼ ► I don't know if I mean for me like I'm trying to just justify a large expense of the trip [TS]
01:34:40 ◼ ► and everything as part of work on you know a ten radio so that's like it's like a business trip I have to take off from [TS]
01:34:52 ◼ ► and also spend all this money to do this thing that has to be in service of some things I need to like I can just be [TS]
01:34:57 ◼ ► like oh I just want to hang out my friends like yeah if I was it if money was no object [TS]
01:35:05 ◼ ► Right but even if even if I didn't have to take it which some people did last year [TS]
01:35:14 ◼ ► Knowing me I'll cave and go but that's a tough sell but it sounds like Mark or you'd almost certainly do it. [TS]
01:35:22 ◼ ► I would definitely go but I I would really be I would probably end up being really bored during most of the days. [TS]
01:35:31 ◼ ► So supposing it is last year they release the videos what was it like like the evening early the next morning there [TS]
01:35:36 ◼ ► were the videos in the previous day it was it was like it wasn't real time was it was pretty soon afterwards I think [TS]
01:35:46 ◼ ► So you could like you know you could on any given day you can watch at the previous day's videos. [TS]
01:35:56 ◼ ► My going to sit around in another teller Malone watching videos all day like that's going to suck. [TS]
01:36:00 ◼ ► On crummy wife I write that well you go meet people for lunch and may be able for dinner but you know [TS]
01:36:11 ◼ ► and that sounds that sounds like a pretty miserable week honestly so you know if that's the alternative that's pretty [TS]
01:36:17 ◼ ► bad if people if there's a lot of people who are in this situation who are all going in the you know then maybe you can [TS]
01:36:28 ◼ ► and you know for the night doesn't matter the Moscone after after four P.M. Anyway but what do you do from nine A.M. [TS]
01:36:36 ◼ ► That's that's a big question and and if you want to and if you don't watch the videos [TS]
01:36:42 ◼ ► when do you watch the videos like that like if you're one of the great things about being there is that your job during [TS]
01:36:49 ◼ ► that week is to go to the sessions so you will go to the sessions maybe not all of them about every slot [TS]
01:36:58 ◼ ► Whereas if you wait until after that week if you're say Oh well I want to sessions [TS]
01:37:06 ◼ ► You'll just probably never do it because there's never a time where it's your job to watch that session right there was [TS]
01:37:22 ◼ ► but I agree in the other thing to consider is that despite San Francisco being this hotbed of Internet everything the [TS]
01:37:29 ◼ ► hotel wife in any hotel lobby ever stayed in is just crummy as every other hotel anywhere in the country. [TS]
01:37:36 ◼ ► Right so what do you do to get the videos even if you could get them I mean you'd have to go to a market you would you [TS]
01:37:47 ◼ ► or an office that's nearby that we're friends with I would preach ask them if I go there often use their [TS]
01:37:56 ◼ ► and that might be the answer right the answer might be you know small groups of people. [TS]
01:38:00 ◼ ► All who know someone in San Francisco get together in various people's offices or apartments and have little parties [TS]
01:38:09 ◼ ► But the problem is like that's not really that's not really like a big community event. [TS]
01:38:16 ◼ ► and it also makes it much harder for people who don't know anyone yet if you know who are new to the community who [TS]
01:38:23 ◼ ► don't know anyone who was here we don't know anyone who is big companies it makes it much harder of a sell for them to [TS]
01:38:32 ◼ ► And so you know it's you know it's one thing like you know we can go out there and. [TS]
01:38:36 ◼ ► Yeah Jason cell already said we can use their office so we know we know we went out there we have somewhere to go. [TS]
01:38:46 ◼ ► It just it just it just it's unfortunate situation that it has to be limited like this [TS]
01:38:50 ◼ ► but you know unfortunately it does like there are there are no bigger venues there are no you know there's even if they [TS]
01:39:09 ◼ ► but my understanding was it's like a good zillion different locations all around Austin is that correct. [TS]
01:39:15 ◼ ► Yeah pretty much spreading out to like in that now you have to take buses across the river to go to some weird hotel [TS]
01:39:24 ◼ ► It's so it's so weird I mean like that's the problem is that this it's like forms like discussion forums have certain [TS]
01:39:35 ◼ ► and once a community gets beyond that size there's kind of no turning back there's no rescuing it. [TS]
01:39:45 ◼ ► and you know its conferences are a similar thing is there are certain natural sizes after which it's just really really [TS]
01:39:50 ◼ ► hard to make it good and to make it work. And and I think they definitely have reached that point with D.C. [TS]
01:40:00 ◼ ► How it's very hard to get into a lot of the sessions because there's lines out the door you can't even get into so many [TS]
01:40:06 ◼ ► of the like it's so it's already bursting at the seems like they can't really make it bigger [TS]
01:40:17 ◼ ► and various ways with that kind of ruins other aspects of it as well including some of that some of the community [TS]