00:00:00 ◼ ► Right so the show bodies up again so far as you know on that last you still centering the titles comma K.Z. [TS]
00:00:08 ◼ ► One what's wrong with that. What's wrong with that. Yeah. Besides it's like daggers in your eyes. [TS]
00:00:14 ◼ ► Impossible to read that other than that no one can how did you like the flat forms crazy shapes that mean nothing if I [TS]
00:00:24 ◼ ► turned the entire thing into a jar rush hour test with a man with a hat looking at me. [TS]
00:00:31 ◼ ► Is this person's name actually Jason discount Not only is this person's name Jason discount but I knew this person [TS]
00:00:37 ◼ ► when I was a kid. So you know this is actually his real name. Yes it is his real name. [TS]
00:00:41 ◼ ► I think it was in Australia now but he used to live like you know a town over from me so his name is Jason discount [TS]
00:00:48 ◼ ► and he's e-mailing us about repressing discounts. Yeah finally a legitimate reason for him to have that name. [TS]
00:00:55 ◼ ► He's been waiting his whole life for this moment when a podcast said something wrong about discount price. [TS]
00:01:00 ◼ ► It's not wrong this is that I don't think any of us brought up this specific scenario [TS]
00:01:13 ◼ ► and then you work on your second version of the application and you want to sell them for six dollars two [TS]
00:01:26 ◼ ► and make the bundle price of both of them together six dollars if someone actually buys the old app it still only cost [TS]
00:01:34 ◼ ► and of course anybody already has the new app can buy the bundle to complete this bundle to get it for two dollars. [TS]
00:01:47 ◼ ► but oh that's a whole other angle you're right yeah because there's nothing like you can't like there's nothing [TS]
00:01:53 ◼ ► stopping them from individually buying the absolute full price theory right unless the store was like detect they [TS]
00:02:02 ◼ ► but the idea of lowering the price of the old one that you have to keep on the star so that if anyone actually buys it [TS]
00:02:12 ◼ ► and they've paid the same price anyway if they actually buy a bike I'll just buy the bundle then you can get the new [TS]
00:02:19 ◼ ► but they still the full price new one out there lurking is a problem with this whole thing is around about [TS]
00:02:24 ◼ ► and trying to explain it is confusing and that's why it's a bad idea but I still think people are going to try it. [TS]
00:02:33 ◼ ► and that nobody should do it because at best it's fairly confusing for your customers. [TS]
00:02:39 ◼ ► At worst if you do things wrong cost them extra money and then extra money that you can't easily refund them [TS]
00:02:46 ◼ ► and leave you want star reviews about like the thing with the one star reviews like it only takes something angering a [TS]
00:02:55 ◼ ► In order for them to suddenly become the dominant voice in your reviews because very few people review things even if [TS]
00:03:01 ◼ ► you get even if you show them one of those annoying pop ups still a very small percentage of people actually review [TS]
00:03:07 ◼ ► and so it doesn't take much like if you if you cause an issue that really really angers a tiny fraction of user base [TS]
00:03:21 ◼ ► People are much more motivated to actually sit down and figure out how how you go about leaving your view [TS]
00:03:28 ◼ ► Whereas if they love your app they may briefly think you know the person who made this happen. [TS]
00:03:33 ◼ ► Nice and I want to do something to help them write help like that that thought goes away quickly [TS]
00:03:40 ◼ ► So quick side note one of my favorite things to do which I immediately don't do very often is if I for some reason have [TS]
00:03:46 ◼ ► to call it safe arising or something because there's an issue which almost never happens [TS]
00:03:50 ◼ ► or if I have really a really really great server at a restaurant occasionally I like to ask for their manager just to [TS]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Army in the world and maybe the karma will come back one day he said you asked to talk to their manager [TS]
00:04:06 ◼ ► Yeah that's the best part is to kind of know it's not the best part you just talk torturing these people. [TS]
00:04:10 ◼ ► No but then but then usually a but then I'm extremely If you sieve about how wonderful they are. [TS]
00:04:15 ◼ ► Now that's that's like calling condemned the principal's office randomly and you know freaking him out [TS]
00:04:21 ◼ ► Well sometimes a lot of times I'll say you know I'd let you know that this was really awesome Can I tell manager [TS]
00:04:26 ◼ ► but sometimes I don't Sometimes I like to mess mess around and you know you're mad with power Casey Casey. [TS]
00:04:36 ◼ ► Fine you know I'm just going to be quiet for you trying to say something nice about if you had a you know that's a good [TS]
00:04:45 ◼ ► you know if your motivation is good the thing you're trying to do is that the way you're doing it is not great. [TS]
00:04:49 ◼ ► Which sounds a lot like the show but you get that you know that practice makes perfect right. Are games movies. [TS]
00:04:58 ◼ ► All right is there going to give the spoiler so I need to go away again because I genuinely honestly did not listen to [TS]
00:05:05 ◼ ► Well it's not a bad journey it's about the whole is Apple said to disrupt Microsoft [TS]
00:05:10 ◼ ► and Sony in that all conversation we had lots of people tweeted about that I know there was a whole podcast about it [TS]
00:05:15 ◼ ► that it in my queue but I haven't yet listened to that features. Ben Thompson who wrote that article. [TS]
00:05:24 ◼ ► but the thought that occurred to me after we finish the show because of course I want to talk even more about the topic [TS]
00:05:42 ◼ ► Although we didn't bring this up in the show specifically the whole computer Personal Computers are like trucks [TS]
00:05:55 ◼ ► and that you know people don't need a mac pro to post to Facebook and. Three Web sites and check your e-mail and stuff. [TS]
00:06:02 ◼ ► Despite the fact that the macro does all these amazing things they're probably not going to use them like that. [TS]
00:06:08 ◼ ► They're the amount of technology we have in the features available far exceed what any person is ever going to want to [TS]
00:06:14 ◼ ► and that's what I say is it like apps like where I mean if it is like a computer where we know a person computer [TS]
00:06:22 ◼ ► technology is available now that is far beyond the needs of what regular people want to do with computers. [TS]
00:06:38 ◼ ► and bounds if you compare like a blockbuster movie if you look at it could take like even the crappiest blockbuster [TS]
00:06:45 ◼ ► Back in the time back in time fifty years in show it to somebody they would not have on first viewing they would not [TS]
00:06:52 ◼ ► have been able to compute how terrible the movie was because they would just be amazed at the visuals because they were [TS]
00:06:57 ◼ ► like This is magic I don't understand where this came from this must be like an alien artifact because they wouldn't [TS]
00:07:08 ◼ ► The mass market appetite for increasingly amazing things is not satisfied it's not like well you know once we can do a [TS]
00:07:18 ◼ ► There's no upside to making a better people don't need the MacPro of movies they get by perfectly fine with the IMAX so [TS]
00:07:24 ◼ ► we'll just leave you know stick with the feature set that develop on Raiders the Lost Ark. No need for Jurassic Park. [TS]
00:07:29 ◼ ► No need for you know it masses in C.G.I. We have today no need for like all the C.G.I. [TS]
00:07:40 ◼ ► and it's not like the only people who care about just more features more technology more amazing stuff are the people [TS]
00:07:47 ◼ ► who are super into movies and the casual moviegoers alike. I don't need to practical effects are fine with me. [TS]
00:07:54 ◼ ► I think the appetite is essentially unlimited for amazing visuals and movies you know. [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Things on the stupidity of scripts and all the other stuff that have always been the same. [TS]
00:08:03 ◼ ► It's not as if movies got good enough and people like now you don't need to improve them anymore [TS]
00:08:06 ◼ ► and they keep trying to prove they don't mean everything they do to improve them is better three D. [TS]
00:08:09 ◼ ► Is an attempt to improve it and they may not be better maybe you don't like that higher frame rate same deal. [TS]
00:08:20 ◼ ► I'm not I'm not a power user of television I don't need high definition television standards now so you see I have this [TS]
00:08:25 ◼ ► you know I go to that old saying we want a new thing and the question about video games one of them or like them [TS]
00:08:35 ◼ ► Or is it more like movies where there is a seemingly infinite appetite of the mass market for making them better in [TS]
00:08:42 ◼ ► ways that involve technology and money and I think for video games so far I don't this will always be true [TS]
00:08:48 ◼ ► but for video games so far that seem a lot more like movies to me and that any time I could will think what about [TS]
00:08:58 ◼ ► No because people will still want the power that the Playstation five or six offers. [TS]
00:09:02 ◼ ► Like why will they want that well because they always want that because their appetite for better games [TS]
00:09:10 ◼ ► and it's not like a computer where it's like you don't need all that technology in that macro you just want to check [TS]
00:09:16 ◼ ► If you could have a vast fully realize realistic looking city with amazing draw distance is an amazing physics [TS]
00:09:23 ◼ ► or care how it works they're playing the game it's much different than using the the computer to do something so that [TS]
00:09:32 ◼ ► or that I think is definitely in play here with games in that I don't know I don't know if the appetite is [TS]
00:09:43 ◼ ► and that's why I think a lot of people who are saying oh you think that now but what about [TS]
00:09:46 ◼ ► when the wind park is a star of the Play Station four then it will then they'll be no more market for four hundred [TS]
00:09:52 ◼ ► I think the reason we people keep buying for underdog game things is because their appetite for better visuals. [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Better gameplay and better physics and just you know better games period is insatiable. [TS]
00:10:05 ◼ ► It is not satisfied we never get to the point where games are good enough and then it just stops and stays that way. [TS]
00:10:11 ◼ ► There's always something more you can do you just first tutti John written stuff like that you can always do something [TS]
00:10:16 ◼ ► more with more technology with more memory with more centers and more you know who knows what. [TS]
00:10:21 ◼ ► So that more than anything I think is going to keep the four hundred boxes alive for much longer than I think people [TS]
00:10:37 ◼ ► but the difference to me between seven thousand nine hundred eighty is I think I can tell I can tell the difference [TS]
00:10:43 ◼ ► between four eighty whatever standard def is and seven twenty or four eighteen twenty [TS]
00:10:51 ◼ ► and I know what's going to be different because it's not a film it's it's something that's been created [TS]
00:10:56 ◼ ► and so I do think you're right that it will always we always seek for more clarity better better better more polygons [TS]
00:11:09 ◼ ► and greatest system specifically for the best graphics except people who generally like self describe as gamers. [TS]
00:11:16 ◼ ► So for me I don't really care about games very much and if a new system comes out better graphics cool [TS]
00:11:22 ◼ ► but it's not it's not just better graphics that's the whole problem of first of all I would say that yeah maybe only a [TS]
00:11:26 ◼ ► self described Amer's care about this and parts on it but there's enough of them to stay in the market. [TS]
00:11:29 ◼ ► Right we already established like this generation grew but there's enough of them to sustain the market right. [TS]
00:11:34 ◼ ► But for for everything else as the technology increases new types of games become possible kind of like you couldn't do [TS]
00:11:45 ◼ ► You just couldn't film that like you could do with with puppets maybe or people in costumes [TS]
00:11:52 ◼ ► or care anything about the technology involved in making that to appreciate Lord Of The Rings. [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► It's what's on the screen you can do different kinds of things if you were to take any current game developer [TS]
00:12:06 ◼ ► and say What if I gave you one hundred thousand times the memory the band with the whatever. [TS]
00:12:15 ◼ ► and highrise textures like how it was that I can make a different kind of game like I can make a hiking simulator that [TS]
00:12:24 ◼ ► Different categories of games especially with physical materials because a lot of things you do in games like [TS]
00:12:29 ◼ ► everything feels like a set where it's just sort of a rigid polygon or with some sort of predefined destructive things. [TS]
00:12:35 ◼ ► Once technology gets to the point where you can do like real arbitrary destructibility hold to people who aren't so [TS]
00:12:41 ◼ ► interested in games before will suddenly be interested if they can realistically take a baseball bat through like a [TS]
00:12:48 ◼ ► and it doesn't just feel like you're triggering a bunch of destruction animations to rethink cities. [TS]
00:12:54 ◼ ► Now just different categories of games you can have in the hiking simulator thing is a joke I had from [TS]
00:12:59 ◼ ► when I was a kid I bet there probably is a hiking simulator now like we've gotten to the point where there are with the [TS]
00:13:05 ◼ ► or enough that people are only interested in visuals would never been interested in sixteen games in any As games [TS]
00:13:12 ◼ ► when games start to look such pass some threshold the realism whole new categories of people become interested even if [TS]
00:13:17 ◼ ► it's only like the you know the deer hunter simulator type things those people were not interested in playing to Mary [TS]
00:13:23 ◼ ► but once you can simulate deer hunting in a way that they find appealing suddenly you open up an entire new market so I [TS]
00:13:29 ◼ ► think the insatiable appetite for better technology for games isn't because people know or care understand [TS]
00:13:34 ◼ ► and acknowledge it's the same as the insatiable appetite for increasingly ridiculous visuals just again Transformers [TS]
00:13:40 ◼ ► despite the fact for the rest the movies terrible people go see these movies because the visuals are amazing [TS]
00:13:47 ◼ ► but they can't get any more amazing surely ten years from now that it will be exactly the same [TS]
00:13:54 ◼ ► I don't think that's the case I think people will always want to see something amazing out of people I think people [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Something amazing I think increases then technology will only open the market because you'll be able to do different [TS]
00:14:09 ◼ ► Yeah I think the big risk though is you know typical disruption where the big risk is not people stop caring about [TS]
00:14:18 ◼ ► As we get new technology capabilities the bigger risk is that other factors come into play that you know the kind of [TS]
00:14:26 ◼ ► thing where somebody or somebody gets a think like OK well I could buy this new game system for four hundred dollars [TS]
00:14:33 ◼ ► but instead I can have this other thing where you know maybe it's an i Phone with an i Pad maybe to Nintendo you know [TS]
00:14:42 ◼ ► You have these other devices that come in where somebody can say I don't care about the graphics because X. [TS]
00:14:53 ◼ ► Can be some kind of really compelling reason whether it's an extremely different price point you know a completely [TS]
00:15:00 ◼ ► or it's built into something else you already have it so it's kind of free things like that. [TS]
00:15:04 ◼ ► That's what caused the big problems and so it's not the market for super powerful game boxes is going to disappear. [TS]
00:15:18 ◼ ► and you know you can look at movies are actually a pretty good example of this where box office sales are actually kind [TS]
00:15:26 ◼ ► of crappy relative to what people expected for this time period because there's a lot more to do besides go see a movie [TS]
00:15:34 ◼ ► these days. And so it's not that people stop caring about movies getting better and better. [TS]
00:15:41 ◼ ► It's that now they have a lot of other stuff they can do it during times with which you know in the ninety's they're [TS]
00:15:46 ◼ ► not going to see a movie and so I think that's the big risk here is kind of a splitting of attention [TS]
00:15:52 ◼ ► and increase in disruptive factors that are different from the things these boxes do best not the people stop caring [TS]
00:15:59 ◼ ► about what they do best. No you just don't you just put placeholders in for the things that are going to cause it. [TS]
00:16:07 ◼ ► and still haven't killed off the mark I mean spreading attention is one thing no one can help that suddenly just too [TS]
00:16:13 ◼ ► and you know it's if people just get spread too thin like that could happen right that could have anything out of T.V. [TS]
00:16:22 ◼ ► but the one thing video games has going for it is as a concept essentially if not into the specifics of like a box that [TS]
00:16:29 ◼ ► you buy that connects your T.V. but Conceptually games are camped out in the end zone waving like the wrong analogies. [TS]
00:16:37 ◼ ► A sport not a good sports analogy but games are basically at the end of the line tapping the foot [TS]
00:16:49 ◼ ► when you're all gone because our logical conclusion is the holodeck which will sort of end humanity because once you [TS]
00:16:57 ◼ ► and have you not distinguish it from real life will all just be dead in our little virtual sensor tubes within ten [TS]
00:17:08 ◼ ► but it's the illusion of omnipotence know everything do everything indistinguishable from reality. [TS]
00:17:14 ◼ ► That's going to come out of gaming is not to come out of television is not going to come out of live theater is not [TS]
00:17:29 ◼ ► So I don't think gaming has that one good thing going for in that it's not going to go away [TS]
00:17:36 ◼ ► and if we do get spread too thin because of other factors it'll come back because it's it's the end zone is the wrong [TS]
00:17:47 ◼ ► Well our first out of our first punch of this week is a new sponsor and a close friend of the show. [TS]
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00:21:05 ◼ ► and scarf and stuff and then tell him why brother was going to talk us talk about a few more things on the D.C. [TS]
00:21:12 ◼ ► or do you want to jump straight to the fire phone with the Fire Phone happened today so that's the best thing we do is [TS]
00:21:18 ◼ ► when it when an event happens the Daily Record and we know nothing about it there was talk about it. [TS]
00:21:39 ◼ ► when I was on making the phone based on what they've done with the Kindle Fire tablet line it's a phone that runs [TS]
00:21:55 ◼ ► Most of the innovation and it comes from software tweaks I think but I think what's most interesting you know it. [TS]
00:22:00 ◼ ► If you would have asked people including us a few months ago like you know hey am isn't going to make a phone. [TS]
00:22:06 ◼ ► I think almost all of us would have guessed that they were going to do something disruptive or creative [TS]
00:22:11 ◼ ► or different around pricing because everyone's thinking oh you know Amazon's all into getting things really cheap [TS]
00:22:16 ◼ ► and maybe maybe they could like revolutionize the phone business by giving you a phone for free [TS]
00:22:28 ◼ ► or something like that somehow subsidize the phone to make it very very cheap or free. [TS]
00:22:32 ◼ ► And what they what they gave us instead was a phone that's priced almost exactly like the i Phone [TS]
00:22:38 ◼ ► and other smart other high end smartphones because Interesting so you know it's two hundred bucks on contract six fifty [TS]
00:22:43 ◼ ► without There's a few things that make it a little better value there's like the thirty two gigs of storage is the base [TS]
00:23:03 ◼ ► or a two hundred dollar onto your contract phone. Iran's only on a T.N.T. So far only in the U.S. [TS]
00:23:12 ◼ ► I mean there's a couple things to talk about with what they've done with some of the software and hardware [TS]
00:23:16 ◼ ► but I don't think we're even going to be talking about this in like two weeks. Yeah probably not. [TS]
00:23:25 ◼ ► The most interesting thing to me which is gotten less interesting as more information came out. [TS]
00:23:34 ◼ ► or announcement whatever you call it was unlimited photo uploads to Amazon Cloud Drive [TS]
00:23:43 ◼ ► but John Gruber has said that there's only only unlimited photo storage for photos taken with the phone itself. [TS]
00:23:53 ◼ ► So notably that that completely eliminates videos which are the things that take up the most space and. [TS]
00:24:04 ◼ ► and I'm not sure the mechanism by which they're deterring is another just you know reaching into X. [TS]
00:24:12 ◼ ► But yeah that that's a somewhat no worthy difference although to be fair the two cameras that we have in the House are [TS]
00:24:22 ◼ ► So in a parallel universe when or where Aaron and I both have Amazon one of what we call ins a fire fire found it [TS]
00:24:29 ◼ ► when we both have fire phones that could be fine for us because that is all our photos because that's the only cameras [TS]
00:24:42 ◼ ► when Amazon overcharge the Kindle Fire the the first their first Android tablet one of its biggest selling points by [TS]
00:24:53 ◼ ► and it was it was like the best two hundred Eleonora tablet you could get for a little while [TS]
00:25:01 ◼ ► and the new the newer fires from want to hear are better I haven't actually used them [TS]
00:25:05 ◼ ► but the newer ones are supposedly better but anyway the big reason people bought it was because it was so damn cheap. [TS]
00:25:12 ◼ ► And the fire phone doesn't have that So my question is one of the major things this offers above [TS]
00:25:22 ◼ ► or H T C phone like if you're obviously it's the same price that everything has an i Phone like you know you get a [TS]
00:25:27 ◼ ► little bit less of the i Phone for the same price but most people are not going to care. It's close enough. [TS]
00:25:35 ◼ ► Either way two hundred bucks on contract for this phone so it's not cheaper than an i Phone It's probably not going to [TS]
00:25:41 ◼ ► have much if any presence in phone retail stores which is going to really hurt sales and you know why. [TS]
00:25:50 ◼ ► It's going to be limited in certain ways like all the Google services it doesn't get it is not as far as I know correct [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► So far like it doesn't get the Google seal of approval doesn't have to do a play store as far as I know it doesn't have [TS]
00:26:06 ◼ ► Google Maps Google Now all that cool integration you get on officially you know blessed Android phones. [TS]
00:26:13 ◼ ► So there's there's a lot of downside to this the upsides are you know it has some Amazon integration with some of their [TS]
00:26:19 ◼ ► stuff it has some some store integration where you can like pointed at some things [TS]
00:26:24 ◼ ► but I'm kind of wondering why why people are really going to buy this in any significant numbers. [TS]
00:26:33 ◼ ► Maybe if it had the full Android experience plus Amazon stuff maybe but I don't see I see and [TS]
00:26:44 ◼ ► and i see i Phone are sticking with their i Phone So I'm I'm kind of missing the point of this [TS]
00:26:52 ◼ ► You just have to assume now whenever Amazon enters a market with a hardware product just wait until their third try. [TS]
00:27:03 ◼ ► or whatever just forget about the first one second one you know like it's going to take them a while to get it right so [TS]
00:27:10 ◼ ► and I just had a thought while you were describing the phone is that phones are kind of like P.C.'s now used to be [TS]
00:27:17 ◼ ► and that it's no longer a novelty that any company with a reasonable pockets can make one like back in the day if you [TS]
00:27:25 ◼ ► you know if you're a company technology Haven't you had a lot of money you can make a P.C. Like you buy the C.P.U. [TS]
00:27:35 ◼ ► and someone else you buy a hard drive from someone you make a plastic case you put a power supply [TS]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and put a screen on it you know you make a P.C. A lot of people did it was tons of P.C. [TS]
00:27:46 ◼ ► These days it doesn't seem like a big deal for anybody to basically you know build your own i Phone like smartphone [TS]
00:28:03 ◼ ► but now it's you know many seven years later it's not so mazing now it is just a fairly straightforward thing to say. [TS]
00:28:15 ◼ ► That has memory has a life so much as a result battery life as a couple other little features. [TS]
00:28:22 ◼ ► and obviously it's not quite as easy to make something as good as the i Phone on your first try so we're going to give [TS]
00:28:29 ◼ ► but I guess it's just it's interesting that phones used to be this amazing thing in only amazing Apple can make a smart [TS]
00:28:40 ◼ ► phone like this and now they're basically like P.C.'s If you want to make one you can make one. [TS]
00:28:46 ◼ ► but Mark also mentioned disruption of the beginning Lego hope they would do something with pricing to try to disrupt [TS]
00:29:04 ◼ ► and undercut everybody like Amazon would give you a nicer screen and more storage for less money than Apple it [TS]
00:29:13 ◼ ► It's kind of weird to call something disruption before it has disrupted anything you could say in attempted disruption [TS]
00:29:19 ◼ ► but ever wonder says Oh Amazon disrupt the tablet space by selling their product at [TS]
00:29:31 ◼ ► and how much Amazon is touting things they haven't disrupted the tablet space that much right I mean it's not like [TS]
00:29:39 ◼ ► because they priced in so low all the incumbents who make a profit on their tablets were put on their heels [TS]
00:29:45 ◼ ► and said what we can handle this soon were our market share is shrinking Amazon is stealing all our customers. [TS]
00:29:51 ◼ ► My impression is that that has not happened so their attempt the disruption with that pricing strategy with tablets [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► If we didn't we weren't radical enough with the price we'll pay you to take and take one of these phones right. [TS]
00:30:05 ◼ ► But instead there were no directions that are right. Obviously that strategy did not buy our way into the tablet space. [TS]
00:30:11 ◼ ► Let's try the more conventional strategy of making money by selling things at a profit with subsidies [TS]
00:30:18 ◼ ► and so that's what it seems like we're doing with the phone I don't think there's any particular reason to favour the [TS]
00:30:23 ◼ ► stone over the best Android phone you can find or an i Phone and there's many reasons not to. [TS]
00:30:29 ◼ ► But to Amazon's credit they did of these try to differentiate I mean again it was a version one product assume this is [TS]
00:30:38 ◼ ► but it has interesting things in it you know the multi camera thing in that silly depth perception the parallax [TS]
00:30:44 ◼ ► and you know the thing for scanning things to buy them on Amazon the Amazon Prime in America listed all the stuff [TS]
00:30:51 ◼ ► that's way more differentiation than the average crappy Samsung phone has and Samsung felt like crazy. [TS]
00:30:59 ◼ ► Space that all you really need is to pass a minimum threshold of like if we get a C.P.U. [TS]
00:31:04 ◼ ► We got a hard drive we got memory we had a case of the kind I said we have a couple of differentiators or reputation [TS]
00:31:09 ◼ ► or a connection with a brand that you like or franchise that you like or whatever and again in movie parlance [TS]
00:31:22 ◼ ► but just to try to be part of the conversation the same way all those P.C. Makers were like hey we're part of the P.C. [TS]
00:31:28 ◼ ► Market we sell P.C.'s will pick our stripes on them because I was gay way for two thousand and nine [TS]
00:31:33 ◼ ► and our names will never actually reach that year I got my first computer and it came in the catalogs [TS]
00:31:38 ◼ ► and it was awesome. Maybe maybe someday we'll have retail stores anyway. That's how I see Amazon's entry here. [TS]
00:31:47 ◼ ► I like more competition in the phone market I don't know what the long term odds are better wake me up [TS]
00:31:53 ◼ ► when they're on their third phone. I'm guessing a big part of it might be as as weird as the sound I mean. [TS]
00:32:02 ◼ ► and I'm sure they continent they contracted out the even hardware design to somebody else who definitely counted had [TS]
00:32:08 ◼ ► the manufacturing I think D.C. Made it for them right. Yes So you know they didn't. I didn't invest very heavily in it. [TS]
00:32:16 ◼ ► I'm guessing the main purpose of this is just like all the other hardware it's just to use Amazon sales [TS]
00:32:22 ◼ ► and one of the things that this will do if they can get a big presence in the phone [TS]
00:32:31 ◼ ► but if they can if they can if they can get enough of a market presence everybody who develops an Android app will be [TS]
00:32:43 ◼ ► And as far as I know this only works at the answer unless you go the no download if you Kaizen [TS]
00:32:49 ◼ ► but I think for the most part you have to have things in an answer because there's no the Google Play Store on this [TS]
00:32:57 ◼ ► So you know if they get if they get even you know ten percent of the market then it would be pretty unwise for Endor [TS]
00:33:06 ◼ ► and then I'm going to take a nice cut of you know any kind of money flowing through Android apps not theirs [TS]
00:33:16 ◼ ► and you know there's also the other factors there's four for all of the reasons that Google wanted to make Android [TS]
00:33:23 ◼ ► and kind of had to make Android the main reasons why were that Google was threatened by by the possibility of somebody [TS]
00:33:33 ◼ ► or Microsoft dominating the phone space in a way then than they could like lock out Google services from working on [TS]
00:33:42 ◼ ► So Google kind of defensively had to make Android to to give themselves a place for their services to live [TS]
00:33:51 ◼ ► or so they tell themselves anyway yesterday so I think Amazon has a similar goal here in that Amazon wants to. [TS]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Make sure that none of their digital services get locked out of their physical services are probably fine everyone's [TS]
00:34:04 ◼ ► going to keep buying you know their shampoo from Amazon it's no big deal I don't think Apple cares to interfere with [TS]
00:34:11 ◼ ► that but it certainly is a risk that that you know maybe Amazon's bookstore or a video store or music store. [TS]
00:34:20 ◼ ► You know those kind of services could easily get locked out of future eyeless and Google blessed Android [TS]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and so I think I think they kind of strategically thought this is this is a good idea and [TS]
00:34:34 ◼ ► and I'm sure I'm sure they'll make enough on it to justify the probably minimal investment they put into it. [TS]
00:34:40 ◼ ► Maybe but it doesn't need to set the road on fire to succeed you know. Sorry yeah. [TS]
00:34:51 ◼ ► It would be nice if it did I'm sure they would they would appreciate having the extra margin to play with because they [TS]
00:34:58 ◼ ► but the reality is I don't think this really is that important for this to sell well [TS]
00:35:03 ◼ ► and I don't think it will sell well there and it's the I mentioned in passing earlier [TS]
00:35:06 ◼ ► but it's definitely worth retiring this is also US only mostly because most Renaissance services are still U.S. [TS]
00:35:17 ◼ ► Only it's going to extremely limited its market share especially since it is actually in price in the U.S. [TS]
00:35:25 ◼ ► I think it is a good idea I mean don't you you said you know whether this is good I think it is a good idea it is a [TS]
00:35:30 ◼ ► good idea for it was a good idea for Amazon to make tablets. It's a good idea for them to make a phone. [TS]
00:35:34 ◼ ► I mean despite the fact that I guess I don't think the tablets are really tearing up the charts. [TS]
00:35:42 ◼ ► but I think it's a good idea for them to make a phone because because it is like P.C.'s [TS]
00:35:46 ◼ ► and now I want why shouldn't they have a phone why shouldn't they have a tablet Why should it's part of their ecosystem [TS]
00:35:50 ◼ ► they sell they sell you things you can consume on that tablet so it's good to have a tablet. [TS]
00:36:03 ◼ ► and I think it was a good idea for them to develop it because I think this was more [TS]
00:36:07 ◼ ► or less the right time where they can just you know put it together out of off the shelf parts and some innovation [TS]
00:36:12 ◼ ► and I think it probably didn't vest in it because I think they you know it makes sense for them to have these pieces of [TS]
00:36:19 ◼ ► and not rely on other people for these because it makes sense for their business not totally out there like they've [TS]
00:36:37 ◼ ► but I'm sure they are most definitely spent way more on software development and harbor development [TS]
00:36:47 ◼ ► and tablets are very different markets as a lot of people have found that over the last few years especially most of [TS]
00:36:56 ◼ ► These two are very different markets and what works in phones doesn't necessarily work in tablets and vice versa [TS]
00:37:02 ◼ ► and was on was able to break in the tablet market by being extremely aggressive on price. [TS]
00:37:09 ◼ ► and still today nobody's buying the Kindle Fires because they're the best tablets because they're not they're certainly [TS]
00:37:17 ◼ ► People buy them because they're cheap and they see them promoted like crazy on Amazon. [TS]
00:37:24 ◼ ► but it's not cheap it's cheap though I mean especially for people who are using the i Phone right. [TS]
00:37:34 ◼ ► and anyone is willing to pay two hundred dollars for the same for phone shops this two hundred dollar phone to get any [TS]
00:37:39 ◼ ► competitive two hundred dollars phone assume they're not going to buy an i Phone because they're not in that market at [TS]
00:37:47 ◼ ► This compares favorably with any with the of that with another two hundred dollars Android phone [TS]
00:37:52 ◼ ► and I think that's the big conversation they're trying to win they're like oh we're not going to be with people who are [TS]
00:37:57 ◼ ► shopping for an i Phone because this is the ecosystem the cache. No the apps like we're not there for get it right. [TS]
00:38:05 ◼ ► Mostly what I see is people with i Phones or people with a huge menagerie of crazy are going to Android phones. [TS]
00:38:22 ◼ ► when they see someone who has one the camera is pretty good right like it's got all sorts of stuff [TS]
00:38:28 ◼ ► or the tilt scrolling in the parallax reminds you of the stupid crazy features like in the Galaxy S five that no one's [TS]
00:38:43 ◼ ► and even though it's not super cheap it I think it compares like it compares favored to the i Phone Let's put that way [TS]
00:38:50 ◼ ► in terms of pricing and specs and I think they're going after the people who care about gee whiz features [TS]
00:38:55 ◼ ► and also the people who care about stupid number specs not against the i Phone or no one cares about the specs [TS]
00:39:01 ◼ ► when they buy an i Phone They're buying an i Phone have an i Phone and to buy into that whole system. [TS]
00:39:05 ◼ ► You know what if you are living not near family members and you really want to smartphone [TS]
00:39:21 ◼ ► and you feel kind of all in your own little island and you want something that you know you can get help with it [TS]
00:39:30 ◼ ► This made a thing I'm fairly surprised that the Mayday in the tablets hasn't made more waves [TS]
00:39:38 ◼ ► and I could very much see like say my grandmother for example who is fairly computer savvy especially for a woman that [TS]
00:39:45 ◼ ► is not terribly young but she lives near no one in terms of her family members that are good with computers [TS]
00:39:52 ◼ ► and so I can absolutely see her wanting this if nothing else for the maybe feature so she knows within fifteen seconds [TS]
00:40:03 ◼ ► That's a clever use of Amazon strength because their strength is like physical logistics. [TS]
00:40:07 ◼ ► Having a human being on the other end of a phone is a physical matter it's not a matter of software or servers [TS]
00:40:20 ◼ ► So they were wise to bring to bear the skills they have from their retail business on the phone the same way Google is [TS]
00:40:26 ◼ ► wise to bring to bear all of its great assets like you know it's really you know good maps and [TS]
00:40:33 ◼ ► and all their web apps like everyone is bringing their best stuff to the table you know I think this does make sense [TS]
00:40:46 ◼ ► but I don't think experience to be that great this is version one and Amazon in my mind I try to tweak this [TS]
00:40:51 ◼ ► but I can figure out a way to tweet out a tweet in a way that would express myself so I'll try just by rambling here. [TS]
00:41:02 ◼ ► and I think of Jeff Bezos surveys us like Glenn you got to tell me how to pronounce a name I don't know up on the stage [TS]
00:41:08 ◼ ► is Amazon has a really good demos and everything they show is much crappier in real life. [TS]
00:41:13 ◼ ► I got another tragedy not getting that impression but like after several of these demos feels like [TS]
00:41:18 ◼ ► and sometimes they're OK In real life like you know the Kindle Paperwhite really was more [TS]
00:41:22 ◼ ► or less like what they showed but like all of their Fire tablets and now the phone [TS]
00:41:29 ◼ ► and you look at them like wow I can't believe Amazon pulled this off they've got the features they've got the specs [TS]
00:41:42 ◼ ► and that's the reputation they're getting in my mind so much so that I'm kind of tuning out the what are very good [TS]
00:41:47 ◼ ► presentations and fairly polished and like you know not thing to say in the Steve Jobs file [TS]
00:41:51 ◼ ► but obviously you know in the post Steve Jobs presentation world adding their own twist. [TS]
00:41:55 ◼ ► But now I'm just starting to write though that that's a tech person type thing but anyway right. [TS]
00:42:06 ◼ ► when they get the Alex a Galaxy S five like you play with a little with the features that you're never going to use [TS]
00:42:19 ◼ ► and ugly because on the surface especially if you don't have something as well designed as perhaps modern Android [TS]
00:42:26 ◼ ► or certainly an i Phone if you like you said if you don't have anything to compare to then how would you conclude that [TS]
00:42:35 ◼ ► I think I think the Amazon's industrial design is better as ridiculous as the original Kindle Fire was in terms of size [TS]
00:42:43 ◼ ► Industrial Design is not bad like it was you know pleasingly shape that made it to the power buttons are in the wrong [TS]
00:42:55 ◼ ► The problems of course are in software and ecosystem in kind of using the devices not as wonderful [TS]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and magical as you would expect that they miss on a lot of the details like well you can have an amazing screen [TS]
00:43:05 ◼ ► and a quad core G.P.U. and Twice the RAM of any i OS Apple device please Apple fix this place. [TS]
00:43:13 ◼ ► when you click the scroll it's jumping like how did you jump you got twice as many cores we had twice as much ram. [TS]
00:43:18 ◼ ► It's like it takes a lot of effort and coordination between hardware and software to make all that come together. [TS]
00:43:24 ◼ ► You know how can Apple get away with having half as many choruses the top and Android phones [TS]
00:43:35 ◼ ► I think compared to fine but once I go into an Apple store and start looking around on an i Pad or. [TS]
00:43:41 ◼ ► And i Phone I think even pressing a bit like oh my my thing doesn't feel like this. [TS]
00:43:49 ◼ ► I do think that that's probably Amazon's best feature if it even works half as well as the demos. [TS]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Especially people like us who are possibly in the position of buying the phone for someone else that we don't want to [TS]
00:44:10 ◼ ► but there's also the other side of that which is made they can only help you with problems that involve the phone being [TS]
00:44:21 ◼ ► and going to say I like the comparison as I like to tell people the Apple stuff because then if they have any problem I [TS]
00:44:29 ◼ ► Exactly and that's a thing like you know maybe well maybe as great as long as the phone can boot the screen works [TS]
00:44:39 ◼ ► All of those things has feature and that will solve a lot of problems no question. [TS]
00:44:43 ◼ ► But there's also a whole class of other problems that people routinely hit with their phones that may they won't be [TS]
00:45:02 ◼ ► and you know get some help there like there's there's a massive massive value in in being able to go to a physical [TS]
00:45:10 ◼ ► place and get service and you know in the case of you know the phone network stores aren't that great about this [TS]
00:45:15 ◼ ► but in the case of an Apple store you could walk out of there with a replacement like you could go to your phone could [TS]
00:45:25 ◼ ► and if there's not too big of a line you can walk out of there with a replacement in a half hour. [TS]
00:45:30 ◼ ► And that's something that Amazon can can approach that they can you know they can have you be able to call them up [TS]
00:45:36 ◼ ► and then they can overnight you a new phone maybe you know maybe we'll see about that [TS]
00:45:39 ◼ ► but that's still a very that's a very different degree to very different kind of experience [TS]
00:45:46 ◼ ► and then Amazon has to decide whether to send you a phone and send you a phone that arrives the next day [TS]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Now granted there's also a whole class of problems where like you might just live with it like if you're somebody who [TS]
00:46:06 ◼ ► doesn't know the technology very well and you're like oh well for whatever reason you know my mail is all blue [TS]
00:46:13 ◼ ► but it's not really worth going all the way to the Apple Store for that well maybe you know on it's on the kindle thing [TS]
00:46:19 ◼ ► and say hey why is this all blue can you help me change this back you know so there's you would be able to get better [TS]
00:46:30 ◼ ► and those are even more so than tablets phones get carried around people so phones have a lot of hazards happen to them [TS]
00:46:36 ◼ ► and so I see that being a problem for Amazon people what you're not considering is that both of you are taking a [TS]
00:46:43 ◼ ► completely myopic North-Eastern view of the world because the nearest Apple Store to like half of Virginia is either in [TS]
00:46:53 ◼ ► another state or easily two hours away. I mean I'm lucky in that there happens to be an Apple store in Richmond. [TS]
00:47:00 ◼ ► But outside of Richmond like let's take Charlottesville for example which is an hour west of where I am. [TS]
00:47:10 ◼ ► and Charlottesville Zay not small city I mean it's Virginia classifies it as a city. [TS]
00:47:23 ◼ ► and save it for the larger than the population of where I went to high school and perhaps it's not [TS]
00:47:28 ◼ ► but I think you're way way overselling the utility of Apple stores because if you're lucky enough to live near one. [TS]
00:47:36 ◼ ► Yes you're absolutely right. But most of the country doesn't and beyond that most of the world doesn't. [TS]
00:47:43 ◼ ► So that's wonderful that you guys have forty four Apple stores within a ten minute drive. [TS]
00:47:49 ◼ ► and if I lived an hour away it would be an hour drive to get to the nearest Apple store an hour drive maybe in my [TS]
00:48:00 ◼ ► I'm being a little dramatic but my point is Apple's retail footprint is really consequential. [TS]
00:48:08 ◼ ► and yes you're right about that eight hundred He's a lot more stores we're not going to get the same level of service [TS]
00:48:15 ◼ ► So I think you're grossly overselling like yourself are body bags I said I was going to say Apple Store is the best [TS]
00:48:20 ◼ ► case scenario but leave Apple Store aside normal people get their phones the quote unquote phone stores [TS]
00:48:32 ◼ ► but it's still a place to bring a phone back to his once Grandma gets that phone from Amazon. [TS]
00:48:43 ◼ ► and try them in Amazon is generally good at that maybe that's also going down on strengths [TS]
00:48:47 ◼ ► but Amazon for all their physical It just takes is not in the retail if the physical brick [TS]
00:48:52 ◼ ► and mortar retail store business for what I think are obvious reasons of sort of the opposite of what Amazon is so [TS]
00:48:58 ◼ ► they're going to sell you physical product it's all about them trying to make the experience really good like I can I [TS]
00:49:05 ◼ ► or I can call someone on a phone to arrange for me to return this thing to them in a package. [TS]
00:49:11 ◼ ► Either I shipped myself or they sent me a box and they ship it back and all that other stuff [TS]
00:49:16 ◼ ► and that has to compete with going to the phone store at the strip mall that's five minutes away going to the Apple [TS]
00:49:21 ◼ ► Store the nearby me if I live near a big city if you live don't you live near anything then maybe Amazon is the way to [TS]
00:49:31 ◼ ► It's the maybe Peter I think is is a good selling point and Amazon was smart to put it in there [TS]
00:49:43 ◼ ► and as someone said in the chat room mom can get tech support in fifteen seconds too [TS]
00:49:51 ◼ ► and that's that's what we're waiting as the technically savvy people with relatives who are waiting like what do I tell [TS]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Get so that they don't call me in the middle that I because they're having a problem or when they do call me. [TS]
00:50:08 ◼ ► Just go to the Apple store or just go to the web page and Amazon and decide whether you want to call them e-mail them [TS]
00:50:16 ◼ ► and they'll arrange for you to return the thing that's really all we want to not be bothered with certain people. [TS]
00:50:20 ◼ ► We want we want them to get a solution and we're not going to try to debunk it remotely. [TS]
00:50:26 ◼ ► but once that's happened it's all that I think May Day in the cases where everything is working. [TS]
00:50:32 ◼ ► It's great just to have another human there to talk to who is who is getting paid to help you with your thing [TS]
00:50:43 ◼ ► It's also very smart of Amazon to do this because the kind of thing that their competitors really can't. [TS]
00:50:52 ◼ ► but Apple really can't because it would just be way too big of an operation because they way too many people have i [TS]
00:50:59 ◼ ► Phones It would be a nightmare to support and scale that and at the at the i Phone sales volume [TS]
00:51:06 ◼ ► and Google kind of can't because well first of all they they hate people and don't understand them [TS]
00:51:16 ◼ ► The way androids whole model is set up like they have a hard time supporting that really [TS]
00:51:22 ◼ ► and you know even if they were in the business of applying lots of human powered things which they're definitely not [TS]
00:51:29 ◼ ► Microsoft could maybe do it for the same reason Amazon can do it which is they don't sell them any phones like Amazon [TS]
00:51:35 ◼ ► and a lot of these things that like for example one of the reasons why they were able to do you like certain screens [TS]
00:51:43 ◼ ► and Stuff like that is because they're at small scale they can use components that don't have very good yields that [TS]
00:51:50 ◼ ► aren't being produced in very high volume because they can't be things that like for Apple put something in an i Phone [TS]
00:51:56 ◼ ► They're going to need one hundred million of them in a month like they can't you know. [TS]
00:52:00 ◼ ► They can't do that and so this is this is a very smart move from Amazon of doing doing something that they can do [TS]
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00:53:08 ◼ ► Even the stupid new ones they support although all those that are out so far they support all those so it's a great [TS]
00:53:18 ◼ ► and like you know boxes that say like you know uncheck this to not opt out of not being billed for the privacy blocking [TS]
00:53:26 ◼ ► protection service and like what what is what is that do I have to check this am I going to get charged for this. [TS]
00:53:32 ◼ ► They basically have seen defaults to well designed. They also have amazing support. [TS]
00:53:37 ◼ ► They have a no holds no weight no transfer phone bill phone support policies so yeah you can e-mail them if you want [TS]
00:53:48 ◼ ► and if you call during business hours a person just picks up the phone and talks to you and they can help you. [TS]
00:53:55 ◼ ► You know what to do one of those annoying push button menus or even the more annoying talking menus. [TS]
00:53:59 ◼ ► Boy do I hate those. You can either call them and a human being picks up and talk to you. Hover is fantastic. [TS]
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00:54:57 ◼ ► So I'm looking at the I'm still frustrated with you two I'm looking at the Boston metro area [TS]
00:55:03 ◼ ► and there are by my count one two three four five six maybe seven Apple stores within what is this one twenty eight [TS]
00:55:12 ◼ ► But one thing I'd like to know based on your race here so yes by by geographic area Apple Stores don't serve a lot of [TS]
00:55:25 ◼ ► and then also what percentage of the population most likely to buy an i Phone is within driving distance of an Apple [TS]
00:55:32 ◼ ► Well the second the first one I'll give you the second one I won't even let me finish my thought real quick which is to [TS]
00:55:36 ◼ ► say that the Boston metro area has six Apple stores the entire state of Ohio has six Apple stores it also has less [TS]
00:55:48 ◼ ► but if you don't live on I seventy one is this that runs from southwest Ohio to northeast Ohio then kindly piss off [TS]
00:55:54 ◼ ► because there is no apple store near you. So anyway so the point is it's there's a lot of there's a lot of them. [TS]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Like the entire What is Nebraska South Dakota North Dakota Montana Wyoming like none of them have an Apple store. [TS]
00:56:10 ◼ ► Those are all green states in any case and your point about population density is fair [TS]
00:56:16 ◼ ► but I also wonder like what do you think Apple Store popped up in a larger city in Wyoming. [TS]
00:56:35 ◼ ► The Charlottesville is apparently about forty four thousand people it should be some really if the population of [TS]
00:56:41 ◼ ► Smithtown New York or I went to high school is one hundred seventeen thousand people. [TS]
00:56:46 ◼ ► So just cut I'm surprised you have a fair point I'm surprised ruthless that's not how you know that as well if you look [TS]
00:56:53 ◼ ► at Richmond the Richmond metro area not Richmond itself a virtue metro area I think is a couple million [TS]
00:57:03 ◼ ► Thank you so Margaret said a while back about taking advantage of the fact that there aren't a lot of them like they [TS]
00:57:10 ◼ ► can afford the fancy screen because their volumes are low and they can afford to do maybe a prison because [TS]
00:57:15 ◼ ► and I guess a lot of these are the very least they're starting from zero so the be a growth curve isn't like Apple [TS]
00:57:19 ◼ ► where on day one you're going to tend to send sell ten million of these things where they sell [TS]
00:57:23 ◼ ► and then you've got a big problem with Mayday right you just can't handle like passenger without working up to it [TS]
00:57:29 ◼ ► and this gets into the the problems with the concept of unlimited A lot of people are tweeting about [TS]
00:57:34 ◼ ► when they're talking about the unlimited photo storage in case you already noted what Gruber tweeted about it not [TS]
00:57:38 ◼ ► really being unlimited is like all is going on that if you take them on the on the phone if you have an existing [TS]
00:57:43 ◼ ► library pictures then you know you have subject to five you could buy cap maybe the charge you above that [TS]
00:57:49 ◼ ► and you get the second homes gosh and we always have where it's like I just want someone to take care of my crap and [TS]
00:57:55 ◼ ► and then you hear about it you know like well that would take care of my crap and you know details [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► You've got to remember this NIE I remember that in this is free and this is for paying us for that thing [TS]
00:58:04 ◼ ► and a lot of people aren't going to are saying this is a problem is unlimited It's like it's pointless it's never [TS]
00:58:10 ◼ ► really give me unlimited if you ever see the word unlimited run the other direction it's just for people who who used [TS]
00:58:20 ◼ ► and I think that's too extreme a reaction because I think the thing that we all want someone to take care of our [TS]
00:58:30 ◼ ► It's not the unlimited part that's bad it's the complexities of like someone who wants to put a limit on the sly [TS]
00:58:35 ◼ ► but doesn't want to commit commit to that right and it's not like oh you're going to get something for nothing [TS]
00:58:38 ◼ ► and a great example is our frequent sponsor back plays where it's unlimited but they charge you a monthly. [TS]
00:58:47 ◼ ► Presumably they figured out how to run a business where we charge people low monthly fee. [TS]
00:58:53 ◼ ► and the way it works out is that most people don't have a lot of data in the average works out so that we're able to [TS]
00:58:57 ◼ ► make money. We're also sponsored this week by Bakley how serendipitous really actually most of it is now. [TS]
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00:59:16 ◼ ► Literally it's five bucks a month. I'm an online backup. It's very very simple they have a mac native client. [TS]
00:59:23 ◼ ► Apple engineers so they're they know the mac sensibilities their software is really nice [TS]
00:59:27 ◼ ► and you can actually access your files from anywhere they have this cool I less app where you can you can access any [TS]
00:59:34 ◼ ► files backed up on back plays from anywhere you are so if you're like you know on vacation somewhere you want to access [TS]
00:59:39 ◼ ► the files on your home computer as long as you're back on tobacco is that files there [TS]
00:59:43 ◼ ► and you can do it you can get to it right there you can also get email notifications for peace of mind to know that [TS]
00:59:50 ◼ ► and to know if for example if something is not being backed up for a certain time they can email you [TS]
00:59:54 ◼ ► and tell you that which is very nice to know. Bakley is by far the simplest on a backup. [TS]
01:00:06 ◼ ► and I've had trouble with other services not accepting it fast enough because I have a print of three I'm here with [TS]
01:00:13 ◼ ► I waited my whole life to live somewhere that has files and I finally do and it's glorious [TS]
01:00:18 ◼ ► and I some of the services I couldn't they wouldn't accept the uploads quickly enough. [TS]
01:00:25 ◼ ► BAKLEY except the others as quickly as I said it to and you can send it to you know be kind to your connection [TS]
01:00:33 ◼ ► and I've never had a prob that I've never had a problem and it uploads quickly and I have between me and my wife [TS]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and my mom. We probably have a total of about four and a half terabytes worth of stuff there and it's fantastic. [TS]
01:00:47 ◼ ► Five bucks a month per computer. Unlimited space. Simple as that. Go to back Blaze dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]
01:00:54 ◼ ► and You can get a free trial no credit card required. Thanks a lot to back please. [TS]
01:01:02 ◼ ► and you have the option to pass it in the bandwidth to do it. You really really really need to do it. [TS]
01:01:15 ◼ ► There are so many backup problems that this can be a nice safety net for things you know things are going to happen to [TS]
01:01:23 ◼ ► and Time Machine drive put into it then like electrical problems fires floods that all sorts of crazy stuff water [TS]
01:01:29 ◼ ► flooding from the apartment above you like all sorts of crazy this can happen that can take out all of your copy of [TS]
01:01:34 ◼ ► your data if it's only in your house so really you are also back up and back which is in my opinion is the best one. [TS]
01:01:43 ◼ ► and I think the backplate has going for it is that they get to use the word unlimited which takes away the stress from [TS]
01:01:52 ◼ ► but from certainly from high capacity like high demand users you don't want to know is there a limit am I going to hit [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► And even casual use issue if there is a limit they may not have any sort of conception of how much data they have likes [TS]
01:02:05 ◼ ► of like do I have that much data. How much is a gigabyte. Will I had that much data in five years I doesn't matter. [TS]
01:02:10 ◼ ► That totally never going to reach the cap if they don't understand that it can cause them hesitant so unlimited gets [TS]
01:02:20 ◼ ► and then the only job you have to do after that is make the financial arrangement both attractive [TS]
01:02:27 ◼ ► and this Amazon arrangement is not easy to understand I would never have guessed that only the photos taken by phone [TS]
01:02:37 ◼ ► but it's already too complicated you know back places we charge a fee per month it is a small fee. [TS]
01:02:45 ◼ ► The average data stored by our customers is enough that we make money at that price it's easy to understand. [TS]
01:03:01 ◼ ► but what about these photos boy about those photos I take here what about my existing stuff [TS]
01:03:05 ◼ ► but will you keep the rose at full resolution will you downsampled them is there a thirty day window is there like all [TS]
01:03:13 ◼ ► and then the company just needs to find some way to pay for that whether by charging a reasonable monthly fee [TS]
01:03:25 ◼ ► Now we're all on excited about it it's just another solution that is too complicated and too weird [TS]
01:03:29 ◼ ► and it's going to leave people in situations where they're not sure their stuff is safe [TS]
01:03:35 ◼ ► All right so I actually if we if we have the time Jesus will permit me I would actually like to talk now about [TS]
01:03:42 ◼ ► continuity and I think it plays into some of the sort who were just talking about. [TS]
01:03:47 ◼ ► So continuity is a feature during the keynote of the demo where between your sanity and i O S nine and. [TS]
01:04:00 ◼ ► There are features where you can for example start doing something in an app and one of these devices [TS]
01:04:13 ◼ ► and transfer to an e-mail as you're writing it between your phone or your computer. [TS]
01:04:17 ◼ ► All these different things that involve basically passing off tasks from one computer to from one computer [TS]
01:04:22 ◼ ► or device to another one seamlessly and one of the reasons I think this is smart you know this one of the theory [TS]
01:04:30 ◼ ► or one of the themes where Apple tends to not do so well and this this doesn't actually apply just Apple [TS]
01:04:39 ◼ ► and not do so well is trying to go past what they're good at trying to do a really big new project in an area that they [TS]
01:04:49 ◼ ► And so one of the best examples of this obviously is maps where you know maps of the kind of area where Google is [TS]
01:04:55 ◼ ► really good at the at the at the kind of like Big Data Integration massive scale data collection [TS]
01:05:01 ◼ ► and resolving conflicts between different sources of data and ranking things and and finding relevance [TS]
01:05:11 ◼ ► And so when Google tackles that kind of problem they can do it very well and very few others can. [TS]
01:05:18 ◼ ► Six five six six and and famously did not do very well at it and it's certainly better than it was [TS]
01:05:26 ◼ ► but it's still not to Google level of quality and honestly probably never will be. [TS]
01:05:31 ◼ ► And so you know you can look at things that you can see are these are kind of areas where where Apple's weak [TS]
01:05:39 ◼ ► or before last topic how I thought it was very good of Amazon to recognize one of their strengths [TS]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and do something in it made a do something that the other people kind of can't do in the business can't or won't do. [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Is the same kind of strategic thing where continuity is the kind of thing that Apple actually can do very well. [TS]
01:06:07 ◼ ► Yes it uses i Cloud but I think it mostly actually is a local networking I think it would use a Bluetooth L.-E. [TS]
01:06:12 ◼ ► To do some of the initial handshaking and probably probably doesn't go over the network [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► or over the the LAN with it has to so I think to jump in my recollection of the video I watched was it negotiates over [TS]
01:06:38 ◼ ► and then you have to use some other mechanism of your choice including a stream that I believe they can open between [TS]
01:06:48 ◼ ► but anyways by some other mechanism you have to establish like What the crap is you're working on [TS]
01:06:54 ◼ ► but the proximity awareness bit is due to selling in this is freakin terrible for me because both of my Macs are late [TS]
01:07:09 ◼ ► and said no no just talk to any macro owners in the last few years who ever had to use airdrop [TS]
01:07:20 ◼ ► So this is the kind of thing this involves you know local networking with high end ran New controlled hardware [TS]
01:07:26 ◼ ► and passing around the Internet. Very small bits of information in very large volume. [TS]
01:07:33 ◼ ► That's what push notifications are that's what I message is that's a kind of Apple is already doing this stuff at scale [TS]
01:07:40 ◼ ► Most of the time and so like this and it requires a very deep you know top to bottom integration of the hardware [TS]
01:07:50 ◼ ► and the software and the services it requires people who buy multiple devices from the same manufacturer [TS]
01:07:56 ◼ ► and who actually keep someone up to date. Casey did. So you'll have it'll be cool. [TS]
01:08:03 ◼ ► And so this is the kind of thing where not only is Apple really good at this sort of thing [TS]
01:08:33 ◼ ► and they can't you know they have this massive their bevy of hardware to contend with [TS]
01:08:38 ◼ ► and you know what percentage of Windows computers have Bluetooth low energy and what version [TS]
01:08:43 ◼ ► and all this crazy stuff that they have to do that they have to contend with that Apple doesn't who can't do this [TS]
01:08:53 ◼ ► and they're also the similar issues of hardware diversity. Michael don't go can't do it now. [TS]
01:08:59 ◼ ► They'll be able to eventually Apple can do it first so that only Apple can do this. [TS]
01:09:02 ◼ ► Now it's important qualifier because eventually everyone will be able to do this and they will. [TS]
01:09:07 ◼ ► Well the direction that that these various companies markets and products and strengths are going. [TS]
01:09:13 ◼ ► I don't I don't see a future where nobody else can do this really well I mean like if it's a useful thing to do they [TS]
01:09:20 ◼ ► catches on all the other players will develop some kind of open standard for doing it [TS]
01:09:24 ◼ ► and eventually all the hardware will catch up in many years and like it the same thing with everything else. [TS]
01:09:28 ◼ ► Only Apple can make the i Phone one but today Amazon can slap the other a phone that essentially looks [TS]
01:09:44 ◼ ► but it's mostly a temporal advantage not a qualitative advantage ever and it will eventually be able to. [TS]
01:09:51 ◼ ► So yes this is just about what you'd be doing doing the things that they can do before anyone else can do them because [TS]
01:09:55 ◼ ► they have more control than ever else and even Apple is kind of in the in Congo situation was like pork. [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► So you know you got to have a new ish Maggie because the chipset needs to do whatever [TS]
01:10:03 ◼ ► and you got to have a device with a lightning connector you sorry i Pad three users like me and you know all this. [TS]
01:10:12 ◼ ► and how fast they get everyone upgraded everything there is like the strength of Apple is doing it to centrally as soon [TS]
01:10:18 ◼ ► and will see if this feature is like a killer feel like that's what you need if this is a feature that people really [TS]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Then everyone else will eventually copy if it turns out to be something that's kind of OK [TS]
01:10:27 ◼ ► but maybe not important enough for the other guys to go through the effort to copy then oh well [TS]
01:10:31 ◼ ► but Apple has will have the advantage of the first mover advantage that it so they like to have. [TS]
01:10:35 ◼ ► Yeah I think really ultimately this is the kind of thing that Apple is going to be the only game in town that really [TS]
01:10:43 ◼ ► does it in any effective widespread way for the foreseeable future I really don't see that change anyway. [TS]
01:10:49 ◼ ► I also worry too a bit like when networking is turn to the next is I agree with like devices and hardware [TS]
01:10:57 ◼ ► Apple that happens we'll house but once you get anything involving the network I just have bad flashbacks I mean [TS]
01:11:03 ◼ ► and like messages which I've been using much more lately because you see everyone's using messages [TS]
01:11:08 ◼ ► and I was you know I guess last year I was doing it to maybe use messages way more [TS]
01:11:13 ◼ ► and I kind of I'm still using it I've been using Mars in space this is my wife got. [TS]
01:11:20 ◼ ► but anyway I find myself using messages on the mac I find myself using it on my i Pod my kids via message account so I [TS]
01:11:26 ◼ ► use them to talk to them on their various i Pods and i find the program maddening. [TS]
01:11:35 ◼ ► and now having a massive shop somewhere else some absurd percentage of the time it says not delivered [TS]
01:11:40 ◼ ► and they are there to do is tap the exclamation point to try again and it says not delivered. Why is not delivered. [TS]
01:11:46 ◼ ► Will it ever work sometimes I just have to delete that message and send the same message again [TS]
01:11:49 ◼ ► and that will work I have no idea what it's failing on a basic level so I really hope continuity doesn't actually [TS]
01:11:55 ◼ ► involve the Internet or any of Apple servers I hope it does ad hoc wife I like airdrop. [TS]
01:12:01 ◼ ► and I'm out of the net stuff it screws up I mean just today I thought we'd my time line someone said on one device I [TS]
01:12:07 ◼ ► had a phone number another device had to lead to the phone number. Now neither device has their phone number. [TS]
01:12:17 ◼ ► or whatever I'm just saying like that is outside Apple's still is outside Apple's So I really hope continuity only [TS]
01:12:33 ◼ ► but I don't know I haven't I haven't tried it yet so we're all just hoping it will be good there is a potential You're [TS]
01:12:49 ◼ ► but I I really think the people give them a hard time with stuff like i Message weirdness but [TS]
01:13:00 ◼ ► and really most use of my messages I'm message most use of my message I think everything works great [TS]
01:13:11 ◼ ► but the I think the bar the bar is low and I message though I could just text like I'm not asking for the world [TS]
01:13:17 ◼ ► and not sending gifts like Katie is like I'm just just axed and like here's my fallback like in these times [TS]
01:13:35 ◼ ► and email if I have an internet connection could send the email every single time it has never said could not sent it [TS]
01:13:41 ◼ ► has never failed. If I have a network connection and that it's tough to compete with that. [TS]
01:13:48 ◼ ► or maybe even Apple's own mail app like I going to be if I use Apple's Mail I would have gone to that I message still [TS]
01:14:18 ◼ ► and you're not the only one that you have you've had to fail to send what is that mean what does that mean failed to [TS]
01:14:25 ◼ ► I'm thinking it means that the thing that it tried to send didn't send you I don't like why you have it with a server [TS]
01:14:33 ◼ ► and I respond like I am not that I'm saying I need the details of like intellectual curiosity I wonder what it is that [TS]
01:14:39 ◼ ► is not going to be like here's what I would want out of a thing like OK so you can't connect the dots for whatever [TS]
01:14:45 ◼ ► or maybe there's a legitimate reason like some time to think maybe the phone like if their phone is rebooting cannot [TS]
01:14:50 ◼ ► send this message like this some sort of like they want to show me the delivered message [TS]
01:14:54 ◼ ► and it say there the phone with everybody can possibly be delivered because you know there's nothing to receive it like [TS]
01:15:00 ◼ ► but even if that's the case which I think is ridiculous by the never really catered to be store [TS]
01:15:12 ◼ ► Just say I'll just keep trying don't don't don't worry about it all I won't say it was delivered like a lot to you [TS]
01:15:17 ◼ ► but you don't have to keep getting the explanation point to try again I'll eventually get sent [TS]
01:15:26 ◼ ► or whatever if someone is not on line of all their computers are turned off I can still send a message [TS]
01:15:30 ◼ ► and the next time it's either the service or turn on one of their devices they'll see my message right. [TS]
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01:15:49 ◼ ► Now it was accidental. Until you're sitting on the scene and it says to that list and the mighty titles. [TS]
01:16:54 ◼ ► But right now I want to be bitter and angry and say I'm just not bringing it back but that's immature. [TS]
01:17:11 ◼ ► It's actually a technically sound choice for the problem is it's not very obvious skated. [TS]
01:17:16 ◼ ► And because well I guess I could like you know be sixty four and code everything that andare of obfuscation [TS]
01:17:22 ◼ ► So the problem was that somebody decided to run a loop of voting for every possible ID [TS]
01:17:28 ◼ ► and I.D.'s are in a church because I guess it wouldn't be because why do you need a grade [TS]
01:17:32 ◼ ► or something super complex for an idea. You need any throttling is a defense against an out of service. [TS]
01:17:39 ◼ ► You don't have any you like there's no I guess the problem is because you know the state to account for what you can do [TS]
01:17:46 ◼ ► you can keep it a memory I mean like whenever it whenever I've done a great limiter in the application layer I was [TS]
01:17:50 ◼ ► doing them cash because it's just it's quick it's easy it's like way I know it's fast and [TS]
01:17:54 ◼ ► and if you if the if you hit the application consists only of launching your you know getting your. [TS]
01:18:07 ◼ ► You know yet if he could just keep it in a way that's the thing though is that well there's two problems one. [TS]
01:18:14 ◼ ► I mean I'd have to do this all by hand because this is a raw socket to the server by definition that's what a website [TS]
01:18:28 ◼ ► and I it took me a few minutes to realize that all of the votes submissions were coming from ten dot X. [TS]
01:18:35 ◼ ► Addresses which can't be extorted for a year to notice things exactly like it was like a mini web bootcamp for you my [TS]
01:18:47 ◼ ► No it's just it's funny because so far abstracted from all of these things that you guys I guess have somehow [TS]
01:18:57 ◼ ► No it's not it's just experience is just the same way you learned all the stuff you learn writing fast X.P. [TS]
01:19:05 ◼ ► Well there's a different set of things you need to know for web apps it is more fun when you're doing them publicly [TS]
01:19:10 ◼ ► and it and this can be a whole series of a graduate school for Casey and Web ads just every week. [TS]
01:19:17 ◼ ► You'll try you'll try and every week the chat room will educate you on something that you didn't account for [TS]
01:19:22 ◼ ► or didn't do correctly and then the next week you can fix that and you can get a new problem. [TS]
01:19:28 ◼ ► Well in this thing if like I write web apps for a living which at this point probably sounds like I make a terrible [TS]
01:19:32 ◼ ► living but the thing is it's so much of it is abstracted so far away from me that I never have to worry [TS]
01:19:44 ◼ ► but I like things that aren't a target like basically you survive because like there's not people now we have a PA gas [TS]
01:19:53 ◼ ► Just think of how I just think of how incredible your thing will be when forged in the crucible of. [TS]
01:20:02 ◼ ► Unlike so many other crappy things where someone writes a little web app and put that up and get up [TS]
01:20:06 ◼ ► and says Here you go and then some poor sucker runs that and use it for something really popular [TS]
01:20:15 ◼ ► Or dead one of the battle tested it not ever sitting standing here now actually I feel like just murdering it forever [TS]
01:20:28 ◼ ► and I will take another stab sometime maybe next week I had to limit myself in the chat room for like half an hour [TS]
01:20:37 ◼ ► but I wanted to murder all of them you just need to like for all these things right like failing test cases for all [TS]
01:20:43 ◼ ► them write a little test for denial of service to test your throttling write a little test [TS]
01:20:46 ◼ ► or duplicate voting to have you know like do everything that is done to you turn into a test case [TS]
01:20:51 ◼ ► and so that you'll know that your future changes don't regress and you know blah blah blah. [TS]
01:20:56 ◼ ► but the thing that that for us that's frustrating about it is this is a box of record votes for the chat room [TS]
01:21:04 ◼ ► suggestions and votes for the challenges just titles like why am I having to go through all this like why can't we all. [TS]
01:21:15 ◼ ► But oh no not this crowd I'm wondering what the heck could like you know twenty people in the chat room due to bring [TS]
01:21:27 ◼ ► Not going to bring it down that is writing an infinite loop and he's got no throttling end of the Nile virus right. [TS]
01:21:32 ◼ ► Well I think what happens is at some point actually might be when wraparound like Brent was talking about way back [TS]
01:21:39 ◼ ► when but anyway there is no way they're making enough requests to make a fifty three bit [TS]
01:21:46 ◼ ► Today the issue was they were just incrementing the idea in trying to place a vote for every successive ID number [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► What the hell that are you know there's an acronym a wasp. Yes they do over open web application security products. [TS]
01:22:08 ◼ ► Oh W A S P as like a list of you know common vulnerabilities and web apps and empty the list every year [TS]
01:22:13 ◼ ► and you have hit several of them already one of them is exposing your internal ids to the outside world if you know [TS]
01:22:26 ◼ ► Well that's what they do but I mean here again like I did conceptually know that many of these things could [TS]
01:22:39 ◼ ► but I didn't think that I would need to write like ten thousand lines of No to prevent the chat room from being a bunch [TS]
01:22:51 ◼ ► and will rely on Brad showed through all the great winter slash Brad set up there is in the package a note that's like [TS]
01:23:03 ◼ ► but there's probably like a website its wrapper library that has a rate limiting parameter that you can you know many [TS]
01:23:11 ◼ ► and it's all going to be the receiving end that's the thing is I don't have to write my own rate limiting I did a quick [TS]
01:23:29 ◼ ► but realistically speaking like for the people who are actually web developers and are [TS]
01:23:33 ◼ ► and are listening to this this type of thing where a bunch of people are just intentionally attacking the Zap I go I'm [TS]
01:23:43 ◼ ► That's I mean you may luck out there but really what you're saying is my app is going to develop an add features [TS]
01:24:00 ◼ ► All will never experience these it just means that if if it's if it's not going to happen now it's going to happen [TS]
01:24:07 ◼ ► and later it's going to be worse because you want you want the stuff that if the stuff is ever going to happen in the [TS]
01:24:14 ◼ ► It happens when the app is been deployed for six months and the entire business relies on it [TS]
01:24:18 ◼ ► and then some piece of malware or bought or whatever stumbles across your thing or wiped off the face of the earth [TS]
01:24:23 ◼ ► and that's a much bigger problem when your whole company now relies most after you have millions of customers [TS]
01:24:28 ◼ ► Then it would have been if during the early development of this app it had a bunch of jerks attacking it [TS]
01:24:37 ◼ ► but I like it is relevant to people building a real app it's like don't stick your head in the sand with everybody get [TS]
01:24:47 ◼ ► or you never got popular enough to be noticed but even if you're not popular just this malware that scans [TS]
01:24:51 ◼ ► and just you know forces its way into everything and so eventual every web app will be a victim. [TS]
01:24:57 ◼ ► You know that's the thing is that I had thought since this is a controlled audience which I had assumed were all well [TS]
01:25:04 ◼ ► behaved I didn't think I needed to do a lot of the things that I would have otherwise done in in my real world in my [TS]
01:25:12 ◼ ► job world and I just took a lot of shortcuts because I thought well we're all friends here it will be OK. [TS]
01:25:19 ◼ ► and by the way I know an apology too I think it's Adam Kearney who is already actually quite a while ago put up a pull [TS]
01:25:30 ◼ ► but a couple requests to fix an unrelated small issue that we discovered during the show about not refusing titles that [TS]
01:25:38 ◼ ► are too long and that is the appropriate way to behave not if you didn't break it that's fine [TS]
01:25:45 ◼ ► Did he submit the source code change as a very long title and hope that that would be funny. [TS]
01:25:54 ◼ ► and that's on the list is that I'll probably have to set up like some like no sequel. [TS]
01:26:03 ◼ ► and whatever just because well it's actually in a perfect world I would never need it because the darn thing I'll never [TS]
01:26:10 ◼ ► but well I'm still how how did this take down a note instance this is this is either the worst ad in the world for Heroku [TS]
01:26:29 ◼ ► I mean I don't know I really don't know because I've survived a couple of a couple of links from your site which proved [TS]
01:26:38 ◼ ► as far as I could tell some pretty serious traffic we talked about that in the past in an Hiroki like us in the past [TS]
01:26:43 ◼ ► reach out to me and said Oh yeah that was nothing like you your your diner was good to go cruising at like [TS]
01:26:51 ◼ ► Usage bandwidth usage your throughput is cetera so I dunno if it's my code if it's the fact that its website gets [TS]
01:26:59 ◼ ► something as weird as the connection limit on the website could layer somewhere it could be I'm not aware of one [TS]
01:27:06 ◼ ► but it certainly could be I mean there are so many only submit so many port numbers but I can imagine that's the issue. [TS]