The Accidental Tech Podcast

73: Notifications Duck


00:00:00   Which one did you listen to the steps to the room with Mike Daisy from way back [TS]

00:00:02   when I know the one with the lung Guyland Jeep dealer or whatever. That's been pretty good at that. [TS]

00:00:08   You still do your fake like this is how we think people around town after hearing people on Long Island talk for an [TS]

00:00:14   entire show. [TS]

00:00:15   Yeah and you're still going to do that [TS]

00:00:17   and it didn't it didn't take hearing all the actual people around talk you're just going to go back to that because you [TS]

00:00:22   think that is somehow representative of something. No I think it makes you mad I think that's funny. [TS]

00:00:28   The rich ones in the south right. [TS]

00:00:29   Yeah you were once upon a time was the capital Confederacy to a smaller than an Apple store I know Richmond does your [TS]

00:00:36   thing in Charlottesville which is an hour west. You're just trying to get me angry so you can go to bed. [TS]

00:00:41   I really look at my throat soldier I took my last simple water [TS]

00:00:45   and I think of the editing job you have if you can handle this [TS]

00:00:50   and that all this crap again to try to extract some value from it so here you have double punishment. [TS]

00:00:57   Right so we have some follow up. OK Go parking lot. [TS]

00:01:02   Right so the first follow up is from me and it's from a well I don't know if that's al or a L [TS]

00:01:09   or what I meant to say Alabama. I you know I think that's right I think this person's name is Alabama. [TS]

00:01:15   So anyway he [TS]

00:01:16   or she made a point with regards to the Andrew people switching from Android trial as what you would said kind of off [TS]

00:01:25   the cuff an episode or two ago and so reading from his or her feedback in my immediate circle of friends [TS]

00:01:31   and colleagues fifteen people have switched from Iowa standard none have switched from Android to I O. S. [TS]

00:01:38   The main reason [TS]

00:01:39   and this is what I thought was interesting the main reason after an I was update their one plus year old i Phone [TS]

00:01:44   officially supported by Apple slowed down and made them mad. [TS]

00:01:48   Now one Android ninety five percent of them don't get updates [TS]

00:01:51   but everything keeps working as scare quotes fast scare quote as it did when they got the phone [TS]

00:01:58   and I thought it was very interesting because I've not. [TS]

00:02:00   Heard this personally but I could see that being I don't know if I should use the word legitimate [TS]

00:02:05   but perhaps justifiable reason for not upgrading or not upgrading your i Phone or alternatively going to Android [TS]

00:02:12   and i was just curious if you have any thoughts on that. I mean it's kind of a weak argument. [TS]

00:02:17   I mean first of all totally until now. [TS]

00:02:18   My statement was I've heard you know my stable Africa zapping my words [TS]

00:02:23   but it was it was saying that not a lot of people ever move from Iowa West to Android [TS]

00:02:29   but people do move from Android to I.O.'s and I didn't back it up with anything [TS]

00:02:33   and I don't really have a lot of strong support for that except that just you know from what I've seen online I've seen [TS]

00:02:38   occasional studies and surveys and reports here and there that some people move to us after having an Android phone [TS]

00:02:44   and I've never seen a report that said otherwise. [TS]

00:02:47   I mean it says the opposite that some people move to a year [TS]

00:02:50   and some statistically So if you know where people move from by west to Android. [TS]

00:02:54   After having an i Phone Those numbers might be out there but I've I've I've only ever seen the former [TS]

00:03:00   and I've never seen the latter being reported in an actual study [TS]

00:03:03   or report of real numbers with real people so we you know anybody can have any code say Oh well I switched [TS]

00:03:10   or my friends all switch in the other direction. [TS]

00:03:12   But I would love to know if anybody has actual numbers backing that up in either direction or both directions [TS]

00:03:16   or neither direction. [TS]

00:03:18   I would love to see actual numbers for that because neither of us really do really have anything to support this. [TS]

00:03:24   Me or Al I like that anecdote though because it highlights a phenomenon that I have seen a lot in that you know [TS]

00:03:36   when you have a study of a large group of people you want to see you know larger trends over ever [TS]

00:03:40   but that's just like the big numbers are good for sort of you know seeing where the entry or the population's going [TS]

00:03:48   but in any small pocket of people in this phenomenon that this person is describing is something that I've seen a lot [TS]

00:03:55   of and like how how do people decide. I had to you know change platforms switch for a MAC to a P.C. [TS]

00:04:04   That I do whatever sort of technology purchasing decision [TS]

00:04:09   and platform Alina's How do they change to the change on an individual basis. [TS]

00:04:13   Most of the time what I see is what this person described is that social groups move kind of as a herd in that it will [TS]

00:04:20   become socially accepted within some small small or large group of people if just five percent friends [TS]

00:04:26   or an entire family or entire community already Framley want Yeah and it will and it will become like common wisdom. [TS]

00:04:34   Everybody knows that X. Is true of Y. and It starts becoming socially unacceptable to be still be using X. [TS]

00:04:43   when Everybody knows X. [TS]

00:04:44   As a problem why you should all changes it whatever it may be whether it's about cars dishwashers car seats. [TS]

00:04:52   Daycare is thinking of parenting things like you know and also with phones [TS]

00:04:57   and I've seen this as well in small groups of people everyone just knows like you know like the original is like with [TS]

00:05:04   the i Phone your phone is crappy you should get an i Phone because it's better in the web or whatever [TS]

00:05:09   and then not ever or it's the cool thing or they have apps and apps are cool and on the other side you know [TS]

00:05:14   and this group like oh you should get off Apple phone because Apple doesn't support their old products [TS]

00:05:19   and they intentionally slow things down. [TS]

00:05:22   Everybody knows that you try [TS]

00:05:23   and write it whatever it doesn't really matter whether the thing they're talking about is true or not [TS]

00:05:27   or whether it's true for a brief period of time or was true in the past is no longer true [TS]

00:05:31   or was never true it doesn't really matter all that matters is that like the social proof of of a group of friends [TS]

00:05:38   or family or whatever can move these little pockets of people [TS]

00:05:43   and you know the pocket phenomena has almost nothing to do with the larger trend because there could be pockets going [TS]

00:05:49   in especially if they're basing their movement on things that aren't true anyway. [TS]

00:05:53   These pockets could be just Brownian motion just like random movement of these little pockets [TS]

00:05:56   but I think it's interesting that it's not it's not. You know for motion and did sessions are made an individual basis. [TS]

00:06:04   It's a sort of social proof and hearsay and half truths [TS]

00:06:10   and stuff like that because these little pockets to move in one direction or the other [TS]

00:06:13   and that I think is fascinating about which direction they're moving at fascinating a little bit depressing. [TS]

00:06:18   But I've long since learned that it's you know there's no use trying to dissuade people of whatever notion that they've [TS]

00:06:26   decided about whatever it is they're talking about whether it's vacuum cleaners or cars or certainly parenting [TS]

00:06:31   and also things like phones [TS]

00:06:33   and they tend to go in cycles so whenever I hear someone say something like I'm always going to get Android phones [TS]

00:06:39   because I always want don't have flash and I need flash. Just don't. [TS]

00:06:44   It's difficult to discuss that topic in a constructive way with them about the utility of flash on the web [TS]

00:06:51   and how many Android phones have Flash or are useful it isn't the most web [TS]

00:06:55   or whatever once they've decided that they're not going to change their mind until the new thing is you know Android [TS]

00:07:02   phones are unreliable I'm going to get Apple because my last two hundred phones progress something equally unfounded [TS]

00:07:08   or random or whatever. [TS]

00:07:10   What I think I think how specific instance here that he's saying that his friends [TS]

00:07:16   and he also which because they were mad because their one year old i Phone got a software update from Apple that made [TS]

00:07:23   it slower. And this is actually losing conundrum like you know what should Apple do here now. [TS]

00:07:30   I've never heard anybody say that about an Android phone that that it got a software update period. [TS]

00:07:37   But also but also that that a software update for the data maybe it's because they get updates I don't know [TS]

00:07:43   but whatever the reason I've never heard people say that I think a lot of this has to do with this like cultural [TS]

00:07:49   narrative that people especially Apple skeptics [TS]

00:07:52   and anti Apple people have have had about Apple for a while which is their products are overpriced. Right. [TS]

00:07:58   You know never mind. [TS]

00:08:00   You know the i Phone is often sold at retail at the same price as similar interest on whatever you know you can make [TS]

00:08:05   that argument all day about ole configure a P.C. [TS]

00:08:08   With similar hardware as a MacBook Pro [TS]

00:08:10   and it's a similar price you know you can you can make that argument all day it doesn't matter as John you said you [TS]

00:08:14   know it's hard to ever convince these people otherwise once they have these these like long running beliefs [TS]

00:08:19   but the commonly held [TS]

00:08:22   and I've heard people say the whole time a commonly held thing here is Apple's update made my old phone slower to force [TS]

00:08:28   me to buy a new one because they want more money. [TS]

00:08:31   Now again I've never I've never heard anybody say Samsung updated my phone to maybe buy a new one [TS]

00:08:36   and may you know intentionally mean slower so I'd buy a new sentence I've never heard a single person say that. [TS]

00:08:41   Again this is an total who knows people do [TS]

00:08:43   but that you know the motive is ascribed to Apple that if a new version of the software is slower [TS]

00:08:49   or if I just perceive it to be slower even if it's not or if it is slower [TS]

00:08:53   but for a reason that's not the fault of the operating system maybe I'd like running more apps and stuff [TS]

00:08:57   and some at the feelings of doubt [TS]

00:08:59   or killing the battery you know whatever the reason they ascribe the blame to all Apple is greedy because their [TS]

00:09:04   products are expensive and I want more of my money. [TS]

00:09:06   However what would happen if Apple's if Apple did not give software updates to one year old phones then you'd have [TS]

00:09:15   these exact same people making the exact same complaint. [TS]

00:09:18   Apple is so greedy they won't let me have the new software they made my phone obsolete. [TS]

00:09:23   They will use the word obsolete even though it does not mean that I think it means that they will use the word anyway. [TS]

00:09:27   Apple made my phone obsolete to force me to buy a new one because they want more money [TS]

00:09:31   and they're so greedy like it would be sexy or human if they did it the other direction [TS]

00:09:36   and so this is one of the things like I don't think I think this is it's just like it's a cultural like rumor or [TS]

00:09:43   or meme or just norm that this certain pretty sizable group of people just thinks this about Apple [TS]

00:09:50   and will always ascribe that motive of their stuff is expensive therefore anything they do is to make me go spend more [TS]

00:09:56   money on their stuff and occasionally that might be the reason they do something. [TS]

00:10:00   But I think it's pretty casual I think it's that's more like a happy side effect of moving things forward [TS]

00:10:06   and making the stuff every year and you know moving the requirements for it every year [TS]

00:10:09   but you know what do you expect them to do with your eighteen month old i Phone four. [TS]

00:10:13   Like what do you expect them to your way if they support this old hardware forever. [TS]

00:10:19   It will get slower over time as the elect gets more complicated and more advanced. [TS]

00:10:22   If they don't support it forever they stopped supporting it. [TS]

00:10:26   It's the social aspect of those important because what I think what happens in these little pockets that move around is [TS]

00:10:31   that one or two people with stature in the social group who will get unreasonably angry about something [TS]

00:10:38   and then the other people will feel that they will be looked upon as foolish if they continue to have dealings with the [TS]

00:10:45   company that's been denounced by the person with lard with a higher social standing [TS]

00:10:49   and they would be chided about it said like oh you're still doing that stuff don't like it become socially unacceptable [TS]

00:10:56   even if that individual if left to their own devices doesn't have a problem their device didn't get slower [TS]

00:11:01   or they upgraded and didn't notice any problems or whatever. [TS]

00:11:04   It becomes a problem socially speaking because of the one or two people are angry [TS]

00:11:08   and you see this the opposite thing to mark I recently posted a link on on your website about the guy's experience at [TS]

00:11:16   Google I O. Vs D.C. [TS]

00:11:18   In our social circle [TS]

00:11:20   or at least in some social circles there is a stigma about Android phones about how they're crappy [TS]

00:11:24   and there's nothing good on them and if you were seen with an Android phone whether you like the Android phone [TS]

00:11:29   or not if you're in a social group where that is looked down upon you will get the crap about having an Android phone. [TS]

00:11:35   Now I've never experienced that. [TS]

00:11:37   But the groups that I've traveled and I care that much [TS]

00:11:40   but I know it is definitely a thing because I've seen this opposite thing as well and it has. [TS]

00:11:44   If you're in that social group it doesn't matter if you are perfectly happy with your Android phone at a certain point [TS]

00:11:50   you you begin to think you begin to feel foolish for having an Android phone because all these other people who you [TS]

00:11:55   respect say that you should have one and they're crappy. Or you get teased about it. [TS]

00:12:00   Never and so groups will move you know groups of teenagers families groups of co-workers [TS]

00:12:06   and again these individual bubbles mean nothing about the larger trend of their They're just you know lumps in the real [TS]

00:12:12   world data [TS]

00:12:13   but I think it's fascinating how how these little groups are moving sometimes I think the group can spread quite widely [TS]

00:12:18   obviously that the macro phenomenon is this if something and something happens [TS]

00:12:24   or some kind of news story that lets you learn that like Company X. [TS]

00:12:27   Is evil because they sell children to slavery or whatever that bubble has grown cover everybody [TS]

00:12:31   and be like well I'm not going to you know forget it we're not buying it from them [TS]

00:12:35   or the company goes out of business like the bubbles can end up growing and connect with each other [TS]

00:12:39   and just cover the entire map. [TS]

00:12:40   But these type of bubbles in my experience tend to be focused on one [TS]

00:12:45   or two people with high social standing have a bad experience with whatever and that spreads to like one [TS]

00:12:52   or two degrees of connections from the person you know the only exception is cases and this is [TS]

00:12:56   when I was cracking up where there are no good alternatives. [TS]

00:12:58   Whenever some with high social standing has a bad experience from an airline [TS]

00:13:02   and they say that airline again it's like well five down you know six more to go [TS]

00:13:09   and you'll be out of airlines because they're all terrible it's like I'm never dealing with Comcast again. [TS]

00:13:14   OK Well so you have probably one two possibly zero other cable companies are going to eventually you will hate them all [TS]

00:13:21   and then what will you do then you have to pick the least bad one which is what we're all doing anyway so that [TS]

00:13:25   when I think people have learned to ignore because it used to be like oh I'll never fly Delta are phony doesn't fly [TS]

00:13:29   Delta Delta is terrible sorry dolphin was taking a name out of the hat. The Delta still in business. [TS]

00:13:33   Yes and they are terrible but it doesn't matter that they're older and you know [TS]

00:13:37   but at this point everyone sort of knows Look they're all terrible if someone in your family or work group [TS]

00:13:43   or whatever is super mad at some airline it is not a reason for you to not fly that airline. [TS]

00:13:49   If anyone gives you crap about flying an airline because they tell you about the horrible experience they had just said [TS]

00:13:53   look every airline has those stories and they're all terrible. Right but with the phone things I thought of. [TS]

00:14:00   This is going in cycles and with Apple stuff as well I have relatives who run Macs for years [TS]

00:14:04   and then a bubble forms about like my mac broke and I didn't feel like I was getting the support I need [TS]

00:14:10   or I felt like I was obsolete before I was supposed to be or is unreliable [TS]

00:14:13   or I no longer understand it so I switched to B.C. [TS]

00:14:15   or My you know I don't like Apple and I've switched from active P.C.'s [TS]

00:14:20   and I'm going to get an Android phone on general principles because I'm mad at Apple about the whatever things like [TS]

00:14:26   that that can happen anywhere but like wait ten years [TS]

00:14:28   and it could be back around the other side again I'm never getting the Android phone again these things are terrible I [TS]

00:14:32   don't like them for whatever reason they decide on the getting you know Microsoft phones or Windows phones [TS]

00:14:38   or whatever and very few of these decisions are anything to do with logic and they just end up being noise [TS]

00:14:43   but this is the source of anecdotes. [TS]

00:14:44   So any time you hear an anecdote just think of one of these bubbles [TS]

00:14:47   and think of what is making this bubble move from one can for the other for any reason. [TS]

00:14:51   So you're saying that you never got made fun of for your flip phone say in the lobby of the park fifty five [TS]

00:14:57   but he doesn't run Andrew as a whole that's a whole other category of thing [TS]

00:15:04   and that's like gentle teasing I don't feel like I'm excluded from the group because I have one it's like I can hang [TS]

00:15:09   out with you guys and I'm an i Phone like no one really cares. Well I don't think we made fun of you. [TS]

00:15:13   I just took a picture and put it on Instagram [TS]

00:15:16   and got four hundred people think that's a whole other category of things like You're not even participating you don't [TS]

00:15:21   even have a smartphone you still have a dumb phone it's like I would if I show up running a penny farthing bicycle [TS]

00:15:26   or something as well [TS]

00:15:28   but you know well it's funny because it's not you know I'm not going to laugh at anyone using football [TS]

00:15:32   and I will laugh at you using a flip phone because it's funny that you of all people don't have a smartphone. [TS]

00:15:38   It's actually not funny it's been explained many many times [TS]

00:15:40   but anyway people who are excited about it can be excited about what the point is it's not like I felt as if I wasn't [TS]

00:15:47   welcome in the group. Whereas like that was the angle with the Google I O. [TS]

00:15:50   Thing where you're hanging out at everything you call the Android phone you somehow feel like you can't participate in [TS]

00:15:56   the group anymore like you're you are you are not allowed in. [TS]

00:16:00   You're not the cool kids or whatever [TS]

00:16:01   and that I mean I've I've never personally experienced that phenomenon maybe I don't care enough about what phone I [TS]

00:16:06   have maybe other people don't care enough about one of the fun of it I have a badge [TS]

00:16:09   and it's entirely real depending on who you're hanging out with. [TS]

00:16:12   Yeah I've also never seen that [TS]

00:16:14   but I've also very rarely ever seen somebody take out an Android phone period at every really see [TS]

00:16:19   and I think in the groups that we hang out in if one of the people we were hanging out of some road [TS]

00:16:23   and it's on I think our reaction would be curiosity we would all want to know. Show me something cool in that phone. [TS]

00:16:28   Why you know why Usenet phone not as a challenge [TS]

00:16:30   but like show me the thing that phone can do that the i Phone can do again not as a challenge [TS]

00:16:35   but the good are interested in you know most of us don't know a lot about Android [TS]

00:16:39   and be in the circles we travel in of anyone we know pulled out something we assume because they're someone we respect [TS]

00:16:45   and are friends with or whatever and knows tech stuff that there must be a reason they're using [TS]

00:16:48   and we want to know that reason like I thought curiosity would be the reaction. [TS]

00:16:53   Yeah it's like a some of what you know should to a party on an elephant. Like OK well we all drove here. [TS]

00:16:58   You took the elephant. That's one I haven't seen an elephant being ridden in a while especially to parties like this. [TS]

00:17:04   Please tell me why you were the elephant here [TS]

00:17:06   and can you show me you know I have a ride maybe like what's going on can I see the trunk. [TS]

00:17:12   So the joke is too bad to pass up a tangible example of this is I went to dinner with just a millions [TS]

00:17:19   and couple other people when I was a C. and He's rocking earth he was at the time rocking a five C. [TS]

00:17:26   Which That's exactly what happened it led to a very brief discussion of a five C. One out of five S. [TS]

00:17:31   What the hell's wrong with you why don't you rock in a five S. and What makes the five C. [TS]

00:17:35   So much better and it was more about you know it was it was playful ribbing [TS]

00:17:39   but more about geez tell me why you prefer this because you're someone whose opinion I trust in and I respect [TS]

00:17:46   and you take in what could be called a contrarian opinion or a contrarian position. [TS]

00:17:53   Tell me why or even it doesn't even need to be contrary and just unusual. Like you're the only person I've seen. [TS]

00:18:00   Their conference so far have a five C. [TS]

00:18:02   You know what you know out of curiosity why I me answer is because it's super comfortable and smooth on the back [TS]

00:18:07   and everything is just a bit more active than that actually I think that was pretty much his answer [TS]

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00:21:44   So we have some follow up about the biomedical stuff [TS]

00:21:50   and then we also have some follow up about i Phone if you want to cover that real quick actually. [TS]

00:21:56   So I said last week that the way i Photo did wrong I didn't back. [TS]

00:22:00   Back in the day was that you'd have the first edit of Iraq photo would be kind of lots of separate on Iran [TS]

00:22:06   and then it would bake that into the j peg of the future and it would be with little Rob badge in the corner [TS]

00:22:10   and you would be working on the J.F.K. [TS]

00:22:12   Only and if you want to go back and do like a real Doesn't of the ROI You have to reprocess and reset everything. [TS]

00:22:17   Apparently in newer versions of our photo that is no longer the case which is awesome. [TS]

00:22:21   So now a new versions have had multiple people tell me that he will tell me that in current versions of i Photo You [TS]

00:22:30   always get the rioting if you're working on a raw file it doesn't do the thing where the editing after the first one [TS]

00:22:34   you're working under a peg so good on that. I got that wrong and that's it. [TS]

00:22:39   Another quick one here about the alarms going off and hospitals [TS]

00:22:45   and how things are is beeping because the devices don't know enough to know whether something is normal of normal this [TS]

00:22:51   N L functions stuff like that. [TS]

00:22:53   And Adam gains wrote in to tell us that the proper name for this is alarm fatigue [TS]

00:22:58   and we'll put a link in the show notes talking about it and N.P.R. [TS]

00:23:01   Story talking about alarm fatigue [TS]

00:23:03   but it makes sense is already time for this because it's definitely a thing that's a nice term to open. [TS]

00:23:08   We get notification fatigue on the on mobile devices. [TS]

00:23:11   Yes on those watches that are buzzing on your wrists every time you get a notification although I don't know how people [TS]

00:23:16   deal with that with their phones like I have sometimes I briefly use someone else's phone [TS]

00:23:20   and the thing is always deep in in buzzing and things are going off like I disabled like every notification. [TS]

00:23:25   It's almost everything is disabled. [TS]

00:23:27   Yeah I thought of this before [TS]

00:23:29   but I keep them so low that like I can sleep with my phone on next to my bed with the volume on every night [TS]

00:23:35   and I expect to hear nothing on unless something is really important and happening [TS]

00:23:38   and that's I've done that for years and it's been fine [TS]

00:23:41   and you know I think people are criticizing these Android Wear watches for buzzing constantly notifications constantly [TS]

00:23:48   but that's not really the watches problem that's your problem is the user for having all the equations configured [TS]

00:23:54   and you know maybe you could say that the platform should add some kind of granularity settings like priorities [TS]

00:23:58   different occasions that. [TS]

00:24:00   If they do or not I'm assuming they don't or at least the watches don't integrate with anything like that yet [TS]

00:24:04   but that's not a great solution that's kind of a that's like a programmer actually [TS]

00:24:08   and that's not really a good solution. [TS]

00:24:10   The good solution is to exercise a little bit more self control over the notifications that you choose to receive [TS]

00:24:16   and if you don't want to have your responding on time maybe it isn't important enough to have an occasion for it. [TS]

00:24:21   So that's really I don't that's nothing like people arguing they're criticizing these watches for that that's not [TS]

00:24:28   really that's your fault not the watches for the thing there are those who ever like I was his [TS]

00:24:33   or most people don't read where the way I do [TS]

00:24:35   and of a don't read every single tweet in the feed right would just find a different way do you swear. [TS]

00:24:40   But then those same people who don't read their entire feed have like notifications turned on for their admonitions [TS]

00:24:46   and that combination just doesn't make any sense to me. [TS]

00:24:48   You're not interested enough that you're going to read every single tweet of all the people you follow [TS]

00:24:53   but you are interested enough when any random person at mention to you that your phone is going to buzz like vibrate [TS]

00:24:59   and bleep are you kidding. [TS]

00:25:00   Like I have no notifications for Twitter I have no notifications for email the only thing that could make my i Pod make [TS]

00:25:08   any kind of noise I think is my message and I almost never use that. Some like at sea. [TS]

00:25:13   How does that not make sense because I don't necessarily care about the crap that that everyone else is shouting into [TS]

00:25:19   the world. [TS]

00:25:20   But hey if you're talking to me I want to know so you don't list of people you decide to follow you don't care enough [TS]

00:25:26   to read everything they say. But anybody in the entire world that mentions viewing in these know better right now. [TS]

00:25:32   Any jerk from anywhere has more control over your attention than the people you have chosen to follow. [TS]

00:25:37   I mean to be clear I'm just playing devil's advocate [TS]

00:25:39   but yes I mean I don't think that's a that's a surprising conclusion for any normal human to reach. [TS]

00:25:45   Humans are selfish bastards [TS]

00:25:47   and that's that's what we're programmed to be so it's all about us it's all about me me me [TS]

00:25:52   and it's not surprising to me that people would skip what everyone else is saying unless it pertains to me. Maybe if. [TS]

00:26:00   People get very very few at Manton's it's not a problem [TS]

00:26:02   but most of the people that I know do get a lot of that mentions and I bet at least half of them are bad thoughts. [TS]

00:26:08   It's like you're writing a Facebook experiment on yourself where you're making yourself feel bad by making your phone [TS]

00:26:12   ring with a fifty percent chance that it could be someone saying something is going to feel bad [TS]

00:26:16   but you need to up now it's time for my front vibrate I got a poll that let me see what random jerk one two three had [TS]

00:26:21   to say about me. [TS]

00:26:22   Fifty fifty shot it's going to make me feel bad which is not exactly right which is exactly why I recently came to the [TS]

00:26:28   conclusion that having notifications for all that mentions is insane and I'm a completionist like you for the record [TS]

00:26:35   but anyway I instead have notifications only for people that I mention me that I also follow. [TS]

00:26:41   So the so the assumption here is that if somebody that I follow is mentioning me the signal to noise ratio is quite a [TS]

00:26:48   bit higher. [TS]

00:26:49   I still think it's not a reason to be notified right now about it you can have a separate view of your Twitter feed [TS]

00:26:55   that shows you had mentioned I feel you fall like I can understand viewing your feed filtering your feed that way to [TS]

00:27:00   show you stuff but it's not a reason to. I don't need to know right now. [TS]

00:27:05   Someone I mention me on Twitter right if I was in the middle of reading Twitter then fine [TS]

00:27:08   but like just going to have a low tolerance for anything making my phone vibrate like it's like a family man member [TS]

00:27:15   given the information I need. [TS]

00:27:16   Now this is basically the equivalent of a phone call I'm the modern day equivalent of a phone call. [TS]

00:27:20   They were like real real time information and I need to know now where even if it's someone I follow [TS]

00:27:24   and that mention me. I don't need to know that now. [TS]

00:27:28   Well you're much you have much more self-control than I do now you know and I need to be more like you [TS]

00:27:33   and I'm not saying that to patronise you I I feel like I want to know if somebody is talking to me because I feel like [TS]

00:27:39   Twitter's just a half step less important than a text message which goes back to my appearance on R.L. [TS]

00:27:44   Talk but [TS]

00:27:45   but I I should turn off all at mention notifications I don't know I just I want to know I want to know if something's [TS]

00:27:51   talking about me you'll find out when you [TS]

00:27:53   when you have a chance to look at Twitter then you'll see what they had to say about you [TS]

00:27:57   but you need to know this second of a day I would just. [TS]

00:28:00   And it gets back to just I have so few notifications turned on at all period like there is very little that happens on [TS]

00:28:05   my phone that I think requires me to service it immediately like everything [TS]

00:28:10   and interrupt you know not that kind of service [TS]

00:28:13   and not interrupt service routine anyway to be clear I don't have sounds on so it shows up on my home screen [TS]

00:28:21   but I don't have any sort of buzzing or anything like that. [TS]

00:28:25   Yeah I'm actually so so overcast has push notifications for the episodes [TS]

00:28:30   and the way it works that I send a content available push which is silent which doesn't alert the user the app wakes up [TS]

00:28:36   download the new stuff [TS]

00:28:36   and if there's something new that the user should be notified about it shows a little vacation [TS]

00:28:41   and I actually intentionally set no sound for it. [TS]

00:28:46   And so for the better no one said anything about that and I'm wondering [TS]

00:28:49   when I was I was going to mention that to you but it want to report bugs [TS]

00:28:53   and maybe other thing I'll be listening to a podcast right [TS]

00:28:57   and then the sound will duck then you know go to the lower volume. [TS]

00:29:01   Yeah briefly and that is my cue to know that some notification has happened on my system [TS]

00:29:05   but I don't know what notification it was because no banner goes down because I don't know of a good turnout button of [TS]

00:29:09   the something has happened and so frequently I will pause the audio go back and see that I was a mess [TS]

00:29:14   or something is that because my settings are screwed up that it didn't make any noise the audio dock so clearly [TS]

00:29:19   overcast knew something was happening but no other noise came through my headphones. [TS]

00:29:23   Well that was thank God that's not my bug in fact not only that but my bug [TS]

00:29:27   but application don't even get a notification [TS]

00:29:30   when they're being dumped like I can't really do anything in response to that so my supposed to be here. [TS]

00:29:34   Like in theory am I supposed to be hearing something. Probably but fortunately that's not my blog. [TS]

00:29:39   Well anyway the docking audio I first I thought it was like a pod cast production problem like boyo you know in our [TS]

00:29:45   podcast or someone else like I will buy the audio document now I learned something else going on my phone anyway. [TS]

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00:32:14   Thanks a lot to Linda for sponsoring and we want to do this by medical stuff and follow this ridge it's brief. [TS]

00:32:20   There's been a gravel road and before and he's correcting himself so I think that in that spirit. [TS]

00:32:27   Yeah he could do follow up I was going to read it was very concise. [TS]

00:32:31   So there are a few watches out there that can determine your heart rate optically using infrared light shine through [TS]

00:32:36   your skin and by the way that I've seen a lot of people tweeted me about various wrist watches [TS]

00:32:39   and things that use something similar to this some of you suggest this method works fairly well. [TS]

00:32:44   This changes the equation about what you can and can't do with the watches. [TS]

00:32:47   Long term continuous heart rate motoring becomes feasible looking which can give you all kinds of information including [TS]

00:32:52   heart rate variability. [TS]

00:32:53   It also makes the process of getting continuous heart rate during exercise much more convenient. [TS]

00:32:57   However a lot of my other points still stand. [TS]

00:32:59   The bigger is what can you do the information and will people really care. [TS]

00:33:03   You can use this information to diagnose and treat any conditions with it. With F.D.A. [TS]

00:33:07   Approval and studies still show that for most people this kind of data just becomes boring noise [TS]

00:33:11   and might motivate some people to exercise in the short run but long term it just doesn't happen. [TS]

00:33:14   This is a big point of a spuriously I couldn't mention like the idea that that bit in those other kind of tracker [TS]

00:33:20   things it's kind of like a short term boost but the people get bored of them [TS]

00:33:23   and go back to their old habits which I don't think that's a slam on that [TS]

00:33:26   but that's true of all guide next size regimes everyone eventually backslides because that's the way people are so I [TS]

00:33:34   just don't see this as a big field. [TS]

00:33:35   Easy to use home blood pressure monitors have been around for ages and they're not exactly flying off the shelves. [TS]

00:33:40   The only thing I add to this other than allowing him to do his cell follow up is that he was wrong about not having a [TS]

00:33:47   way to measure heart rate is that. [TS]

00:33:50   Well actually I don't know read the second that a follow up which is from a different person is also fairly short [TS]

00:33:56   or go for the attention. This from Josh Brock. He says the doctor. [TS]

00:34:00   Or the person who gave you back was a doctor not a biomedical engineer a doctor so this is Josh Brock addressing the [TS]

00:34:06   doctor's points. [TS]

00:34:07   Dr it was so pessimistic about the potential medical use of help book style devices wasn't wrong [TS]

00:34:12   but he was thinking too narrowly. [TS]

00:34:14   Well one day's worth of data probably isn't useful [TS]

00:34:16   or interesting having a years worth of prior data can be very useful. [TS]

00:34:19   Positions frequently know very little about individuals healthy vital signs or long term health. [TS]

00:34:23   Most most healthy people have the hard data monitored a few times a year at most people serious health problems are [TS]

00:34:28   typically only seen by a physician intermittently and only fully monitor while actually in the hospital. [TS]

00:34:33   So part of being able to see a long history of data with long term trends could open up new opportunities for diagnosis [TS]

00:34:39   and treatment. [TS]

00:34:40   So as we talked about a little bit in the last thing that while the information may not be particularly interesting to [TS]

00:34:46   you or useful to you and may not vary that much it does if you have long term information and you [TS]

00:34:52   and your doctor can see that whether they're monitoring in real time [TS]

00:34:55   or they just get dumped on dumped on them off of your phone or our wrist thing whatever. [TS]

00:35:00   It's kind of you know a better equivalent of like the log books the doctors have people keep for if they have chronic [TS]

00:35:05   health conditions keeping a log of how they felt what they did in response to cations they took the doctors will look [TS]

00:35:11   at that because they just get to see you for be for your time and what they want to know is essentially your history [TS]

00:35:16   and you just verbally telling them what happened is probably not that reliable you keeping a log book probably more [TS]

00:35:22   reliable [TS]

00:35:23   but having advice minor things for you is probably I mean aside from bed reading stuff like that the devices memory is [TS]

00:35:29   going to be better than yours [TS]

00:35:30   and if it's something you wear all the time I'm sure a doctor would love that in addition to hearing what you had to [TS]

00:35:35   say about how you felt and what you did. [TS]

00:35:37   The point I wanted to get to about these things about flying off the shelves that we keep talking about Apple [TS]

00:35:42   and wearables in terms of all the sensors that are going to have them whether it's going to have distribute screen [TS]

00:35:46   or not or whether the screen is going to be touch screen or not or you know what kind of integration with the phone. [TS]

00:35:52   But one aspect of the wearables that we talked about way back [TS]

00:35:55   when we haven't talked about much recently is things you can use it for. [TS]

00:36:00   He sighed sensing your health and integrating with your phone [TS]

00:36:02   and one of the ones that I think should come back around if it hasn't already. [TS]

00:36:07   And the rumor mill is using it as a form of identity that we talk about that like months and months and months ago. [TS]

00:36:13   Oh I don't remember probably having having this thing on you as a way of identifying yourself. [TS]

00:36:19   Sort of like a location based unlocking thing that the Apple patent was going around the news this week like Basically [TS]

00:36:25   if you pick up your phone you don't have to use Touch ID to unlock it you know I didn't do a code because you wear your [TS]

00:36:31   wrist thing that identifies you as you and you walk up to your mac [TS]

00:36:33   and unlock the screen because you're wearing the wrist thing that identifies you as sort of a Touch ID without touching [TS]

00:36:39   type of identity thing because I think now that I think this is you know a slam dunk [TS]

00:36:44   or this is what I was going to do with their wearable stuff [TS]

00:36:46   but so much of the wearable stuff has been focused on are I think not on timekeeping I don't know how to be able to [TS]

00:36:52   tell what time it is. [TS]

00:36:53   But there's something called a watch and what it's going to do and measure your vitals and record them [TS]

00:36:59   and they just seems weird to me that is such an incredible focus I mean I may be not that weird because Apple does have [TS]

00:37:05   the health care thing but they also have Home Kit [TS]

00:37:07   and I was talking about using your wrist thing as a way to turn on lights as you wander through your house [TS]

00:37:10   or open your garage door as you drive up or whatever. I don't know. [TS]

00:37:15   Stone that out there so we can get in every possibility be horrible release of something that's wearable never use I [TS]

00:37:20   see we talked about that on some show in the past so this is me this is like yet another thing that is not a very [TS]

00:37:27   compelling justification for these devices to exist. [TS]

00:37:30   It's yet another thing where OK Well first of all there are some security issues with that [TS]

00:37:36   but there's also some you know creepiness issues if this becomes your identity [TS]

00:37:40   and I don't know it's just it solves problems that most people I don't think really have in ways that are substantial [TS]

00:37:47   enough where the gain to be big enough that it be worth having another thing to maintain by in charge. [TS]

00:37:54   Well I mean you assume there would be some combination [TS]

00:37:56   but likely what do you think about that patent though for the location based thing basically not. [TS]

00:38:00   I'm to enter your unlock code or yesterday when you're in your house with your phone [TS]

00:38:03   or something like that is that something you think is worthwhile. [TS]

00:38:05   Oh hell yeah I'm already using that with my mac with control plane control P. L. A N. E. [TS]

00:38:11   If I remember or put a link in the show no it's [TS]

00:38:13   but it's I think the like a slogan they use is context aware computing which I may have talked about in the past on the [TS]

00:38:21   show [TS]

00:38:21   but suffice to say based on like the network address I have based on what device what extra monitor I'm connected to [TS]

00:38:29   based on what bluetooth devices are nearby. [TS]

00:38:31   This thing will basically perform perform a series of macros to turn on or off my screensaver password [TS]

00:38:39   or to set a default printer or things like that and it's wonderful and I love it because [TS]

00:38:44   when I come home after work it will automatically figure out oh he's at home now well let me turn off the M where [TS]

00:38:50   fusion let me turn off outlook let me turn off the link which is probably crashed anyway and so on [TS]

00:38:55   and it's wonderful and I really love it I'd love to have that for my phone. [TS]

00:38:59   And Mark are you talking about that being a particularly compelling benefit it in and of itself. [TS]

00:39:03   Perhaps not but just think of how life changing it was when you all got proximity to your fancy German cars right [TS]

00:39:09   and how you don't want to go back to having to fish out of instead you know like it's not that big a deal [TS]

00:39:15   but it's a big enough deal that you have trouble going back to that thing [TS]

00:39:19   and if you are in you know it's kind of like touch I do like I'm I'm a pretty big convert to swear that I don't ever [TS]

00:39:24   touch a device every time I think about [TS]

00:39:26   when I don't I don't even know her her you know security code thing I just have one and I just have my one thousand [TS]

00:39:32   and code on the thing and I have a very high success rate with Touch ID [TS]

00:39:36   and it's much better than me having to ask her where the code isn't and never remembering it the next time [TS]

00:39:40   or have her on lock thing or whatever I just pick it up and use the touch thing [TS]

00:39:44   and if I'm not going to say this is the reason I'm going to wear a thing or Iris [TS]

00:39:48   but presumably has other reasons that you're going to wear whatever this wearable thing is if this is there on top of [TS]

00:39:53   everything else. [TS]

00:39:55   I would definitely use it I'm sick of typing in my password unlock my screen at work and think it's free. [TS]

00:40:00   He goes I mean you have to have a screen like this you know corporate policies or whatever. [TS]

00:40:03   Everytime I get up I lock the screen beautifully and I have to like I want to come back no matter how long I'm gone. [TS]

00:40:09   I would love to have a thing on my wrist I would wear it work just for this one feature you know [TS]

00:40:15   but I don't think I would buy it just this one features anyway. [TS]

00:40:17   Apple has to come up with a reason for us to all by staying in Cuba charge [TS]

00:40:22   and all that good stuff that is just another possible thing because I definitely track my vitals so that it's also not [TS]

00:40:28   compelling to me. [TS]

00:40:30   I know you've got to do something [TS]

00:40:32   or if you just be another thing that Apple introduces that I don't buy all of the list. [TS]

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00:42:50   For unlimited throttle uncomplicated online backup just five bucks a month thanks a lot to back please for sponsoring [TS]

00:42:55   once again have you ever gone through all three sponsors during follow up because we still have a little bit more. [TS]

00:43:03   I feel like we're in a hypercritical right now. [TS]

00:43:06   Yeah actually when I went back [TS]

00:43:08   and listened to the hypercritical on the first episode on game controllers I believe there were two and a half [TS]

00:43:13   but we went back to listen in on the way up to the my mom's out just today and as [TS]

00:43:19   when we pulled into her driveway we were just finishing follow up like seventy minutes in that's magnificent. [TS]

00:43:28   So we have one last piece of follow up which is about the death of plasma [TS]

00:43:31   and I actually might might have some thoughts on this but John go ahead. [TS]

00:43:35   Not really the death of plasma because I think L.G. [TS]

00:43:38   Is still making plasmas unless I'm mistaken [TS]

00:43:40   but anyway that was the story that was going around this past week was that Samsung is stopping production of its [TS]

00:43:45   plasma T.V.'s Panasonic's already stopped production of their plasma T.V.'s [TS]

00:43:49   and after Panasonic stopped like well they were the best ones that you can still buy Samsung So those are the second [TS]

00:43:54   best buy that instead I think the wire cutter updated their T.V. or View things that they had previously recommend. [TS]

00:44:00   Did Panasonic plasmas [TS]

00:44:01   and mentally had to say well you can't get those anymore so darn exploit the Samsung plasmas now they're kept updated [TS]

00:44:09   again because now Samsung live making them anymore like I said I think maybe L.G. [TS]

00:44:12   Is [TS]

00:44:13   but the other days of plasma are going is a bunch of stories going around the web about mourning the end of class A lot [TS]

00:44:18   of them are retreads of Pena's [TS]

00:44:20   when Panasonic stopped for all the people who care about picture quality saying basically these T.V.'s as it is [TS]

00:44:26   continuing to have better picture quality than any T.V.'s that have been introduced after them [TS]

00:44:32   or that you can buy for any price anywhere which is a shame [TS]

00:44:35   and again Plasmas do have their downsides we talk about them on passion they're not perfect [TS]

00:44:38   but if you care about picture quality you many people are willing to put up with their downsides in exchange for having [TS]

00:44:44   a better picture. [TS]

00:44:45   It doesn't surprise me for the reasons I think we talked about a passion as nobody was putting in the money to to try [TS]

00:44:52   to make a four K. Plasma and for the future as far as I told him any factors are concerned anyway. [TS]

00:44:57   It may not even be technically possible to make a reasonable plasma for Kate because that size [TS]

00:45:03   and a little whatever you call the little pits are things that make the picture images are so tiny at four K. [TS]

00:45:09   That we don't really have a manufacturing process. I mean they could develop that but we already have four K. [TS]

00:45:15   In L.C.D.'s and even a lead which is supposed to save us from the scourge of L.C.D. [TS]

00:45:21   That's kind of been back burner as well so it seems like we're just going to be L.C.D. [TS]

00:45:25   With the backlights standard high definition and four K. [TS]

00:45:31   For the foreseeable future which is kind of a shame but I'm glad I brought my Panasonic when I did [TS]

00:45:36   and it is hope it lasts a long time. Did you ever even think about a forte T.V. [TS]

00:45:42   Now it's like I mean there's no there's no content available for it that I care about [TS]

00:45:47   and really like there is something to be said about screen size and viewing distance in like seven twenty ten A.D.. [TS]

00:45:55   I can kind of tell the difference between my shooting distance for K. [TS]

00:46:01   I don't know I mean if the content was good enough maybe I could tell the difference [TS]

00:46:04   but nothing I care about isn't for everything I care about as an H.D. [TS]

00:46:08   and I figure by the time things that I care about are in four K. It will be time for me to get a new T.V. [TS]

00:46:13   In several years but I don't know how long that's going to take I mean that four K. Is a tougher sell than the H.D. [TS]

00:46:18   Standard def H.D. Is a more compelling consumer case than H.P. To four K. [TS]

00:46:23   So it's up to content creators and television manufacturers to convince us that we need to go from an A.T.P. To four K. [TS]

00:46:32   It was just a government standard def [TS]

00:46:35   and I think that was like as soon as someone see that high definition television if they have good vision [TS]

00:46:40   or they're into sports or something else where you care about spoiled small details that's pretty easy sell but for K. [TS]

00:46:47   I don't know I mean I guess I guess maybe. [TS]

00:46:52   I haven't been to see anything in the fanciest new for Kati's I haven't seen a lead for K.D. [TS]

00:46:57   VI of those things exist so maybe they're more convincing [TS]

00:47:00   but I think I figure I have many years of service left in this plasma I want to do agree in the reason I ask is my [TS]

00:47:07   parents have just recently moved down to pretty close to where Aaron and I are and so couple weeks ago my dad [TS]

00:47:14   and I went to a Crutchfield store which those of you who are into car audio in the ninety's probably know what [TS]

00:47:20   Crutchfield is and their home office is in Charlotte so what I bring up brought up periodically on the show [TS]

00:47:25   when we went to the store and looked at a few for Katie these and we were looking for mom [TS]

00:47:30   and dad's house which the viewing distance and seating distance when what have you is like fifteen feet [TS]

00:47:36   or something like that for for where this is going to be [TS]

00:47:38   and I looked at these forty displays a lot of which were curved by the way which I don't really understand the whole [TS]

00:47:47   curve T.V. Thing maybe maybe there's a point but I don't get a penny wise. [TS]

00:47:51   Your forte displays I mean they looked beautiful when you were a foot or two away [TS]

00:47:55   but I completely agree at five ten certainly ten and a half. [TS]

00:48:00   Fifteen feet I I don't get it and I may be in five or ten years when content is available I will get it. [TS]

00:48:07   But today I agree with you I don't understand what do you make the screen the size of your wall [TS]

00:48:13   or something like that because we have some. [TS]

00:48:14   If we had some technology they could count or projectors or whatever like four K. [TS]

00:48:19   Has a place because eventually the screen becomes way way bigger [TS]

00:48:22   but for television set size screens where it's like a thing that sitting on you know some kind of pedestal [TS]

00:48:30   or something. [TS]

00:48:32   I don't like it I think a lot of it has to do with the content what kind of things are you trying to show [TS]

00:48:38   but at a certain point like I'm People get old their vision gets bad. [TS]

00:48:42   You can't make out that kind of detail on a screen that's only like you know fifty sixty seventy inches [TS]

00:48:48   and that's that's a pretty big modern T.V. [TS]

00:48:50   but In the movie theater when the screen is gigantic then read the resolution you know can be useful. [TS]

00:48:57   One of the things we're looking at these like seventy seventy five inch T.V.'s [TS]

00:49:00   and yeah I mean you can maybe make out a difference and to be fair my eyes are not the best but certainly at the ten [TS]

00:49:08   or fifteen feet that moment that's houses viewing distances that I do not see the need even in like a seventy five inch [TS]

00:49:16   T.V. I don't see the need for four K. [TS]

00:49:18   and The other thing is and you just mentioned this you know we talked to the sales people both at Crutchfield [TS]

00:49:24   and it passed by we were like So what content is for Katie's news because this is not this is well out of my wheel [TS]

00:49:29   house and I don't keep up with the stuff. And and so they're like well some stuff on Netflix and that's about it. [TS]

00:49:37   Now don't you get any even like what device can output four K. Right. Exactly and they look at the T.V. [TS]

00:49:43   They have a built in. Yeah I mean like my for example my audio video receiver has four K. [TS]

00:49:48   Passed through like a lot of devices a four K. Capable despite So in theory if if I was getting that flex that four K. [TS]

00:49:54   On a device to go out but four K. You know it the pieces are there that it's possible to do. [TS]

00:50:00   That's why Netflix is running these kind of experiments. Topically named pennants Ghana Jerram has a point where four K. [TS]

00:50:07   Isn't just about resolution but also you know we talk about a different color depth and and refresh rates [TS]

00:50:14   and other other parts of the four K. Standard that are a step up from H.D. [TS]

00:50:18   That I mean I think they're even less compelling to consumers [TS]

00:50:21   but as I say image quality nerd I would probably maybe that's why I would notice more. Yeah. [TS]

00:50:27   On my you know smallish you know by buy projector standards fifty five inch T.V. [TS]

00:50:33   The resolution difference will be that big but the color gamut different could be significant. [TS]

00:50:38   Assuming we get some kind of television technology that has reasonable black levels. [TS]

00:50:43   So yeah I don't think it's in the immediate future because I thought entirely safe buying a plain old normal high [TS]

00:50:49   definition television last year whenever about the thing. Well all right we have any topics today. [TS]

00:50:56   Any other if they don't we don't is this this you know this is a people too needs to know we saw a You Tube video from [TS]

00:51:06   somebody who I am not familiar with who is who seems to have an i Phone six sapphire displaying what we think about [TS]

00:51:16   this I mean it's very impressive. [TS]

00:51:19   Like you know regardless of whether you know there's a bunch of things we don't know the big two are we don't know this [TS]

00:51:25   is actually an i Phone part or a part for something else or a fake or something else [TS]

00:51:30   and they also don't know whether it's actually sapphire that was going to be my think of the two big ones that we don't [TS]

00:51:36   buy big plus why put sapphire in quotes because I have no idea if that's a fire or not. [TS]

00:51:42   Maybe Gorilla Glass of that exact same thickness behaves in the exact same way I don't know I've never taken a piece of [TS]

00:51:47   a girl glass and tried to bend it or stand it with a knife. [TS]

00:51:50   So I have no idea if this is impressive at all or of us exactly what all existing phones are like now or you know [TS]

00:51:56   and I don't know how they would tell you I don't blame the person for not doing due diligence. [TS]

00:52:00   It's like I don't know how you would tell the sapphire spectrometer or something. [TS]

00:52:04   Whatever is being shown in the video whether or not it's a real i Phone part [TS]

00:52:08   and whether I was actually sapphire does seem to have impressive visual characteristics [TS]

00:52:12   and does seem to have a very good resistance to both scratching and bending. [TS]

00:52:17   I don't know enough about either of these things to say whether that's likely to be a fancy Gorilla Glass product [TS]

00:52:24   or Sapphire I have no idea [TS]

00:52:25   but whatever it is it's a laminate obviously I mean I give it if it was Sapphire what they mean is that sapphire [TS]

00:52:30   laminated again something else that's flexible lemony it like it's obviously Modern some some kind of laminate because [TS]

00:52:35   you can't I don't know if the glass ones are made to grow less is not a laminate [TS]

00:52:39   but anything with Sapphire I think would have to be some kind of laminate the single screen [TS]

00:52:43   but I think the most interesting about thing about it even if you assume is entirely fake is that it shows I mean they [TS]

00:52:49   didn't measure and I wish they had measured it [TS]

00:52:50   but it shows a four point seven inch thing presumably next to a regular i Phone give you kind of a size comparison of [TS]

00:52:56   like well it's bigger it's not gigantic It's definitely noticeably bigger [TS]

00:53:02   and you can try to show it like a fake image on the screen with look like. [TS]

00:53:07   But they use the same number of icons as if the residence just yeah. [TS]

00:53:11   So I don't I'm not sure if I put this in a category [TS]

00:53:14   and the topics of i Phone six parts leaks I haven't been pursuing parts leaks [TS]

00:53:17   but there's tons of them all of this is just the one I happened to see that bubbled up in my feed. [TS]

00:53:21   And to be fair about half of them are this part. [TS]

00:53:23   Yeah [TS]

00:53:23   and you know all sorts of leaks in the guy also had a mock up of what he thought the back to look like based on all of [TS]

00:53:28   the leaked you know specs in league drawings and you know [TS]

00:53:33   and as is the case with those in the past i Phones all these leaks I mean as the parts start to come out I would think [TS]

00:53:42   the idea that it's going to be kind of rounded on the back kind of like the i Pad mini is [TS]

00:53:46   and they're going to be bigger and four point seven keeps coming up [TS]

00:53:49   and this thing if it's four point seven inches you know reasonable odds that it could be a part of some kind. [TS]

00:53:56   We're starting to get close to the season where we start to see things that are real. So. [TS]

00:54:00   I don't entirely discount us either. [TS]

00:54:02   I just thought it was interesting that it's not just here's a picture of the part take a look at it like the torture [TS]

00:54:08   test that phenomenon. I would like to see someone do that if in that context comes out. [TS]

00:54:12   Take apart actual i Phone Sex and do the same experiments do the same experiments of the five S. [TS]

00:54:17   or Whatever I guess this guy starts getting expensive. [TS]

00:54:18   Maybe I think that people can tackle it because because I really don't know the properties of the existing parts for i [TS]

00:54:24   Phones You know I think it's very likely this probably is a real i Phone part this is you know the timing is right it [TS]

00:54:32   matches all the things you've heard from you know general rumor voting you know it's matching all the stuff it is very [TS]

00:54:39   likely to be a real i Phone part the big question mark is whether to actually sapphire [TS]

00:54:42   and you know whether if you took the same part [TS]

00:54:46   or that you know the closest similar part you know the cover glass of an i Phone five S. [TS]

00:54:51   and Did the same things how would it react to what would it withstand would it be similar or not. [TS]

00:54:57   The scratch resistance is one thing [TS]

00:54:59   but I think the real the real problem that needs to be solved in i Phone cover glass if it's possible to easily solve [TS]

00:55:06   it is not bending it's shatter resistance like what happens if you drop it on a corner you know like does the phone [TS]

00:55:14   does the glass shattering as easily or does it chatter less often. [TS]

00:55:18   You know that's that's the problem people usually have if they can if they can improve that. That's big news. [TS]

00:55:24   One thing to consider [TS]

00:55:26   and I don't I don't know if this you know I don't know I'm talking about manufacturing stuff so who knows. [TS]

00:55:30   But if they're going to use Sapphire for the for the screen glass of all the new i Phones We know that the two new [TS]

00:55:38   sizes and backing up a second there is on on the talk show a couple weeks ago Gruber had pocket fossils [TS]

00:55:45   and they were they were talking [TS]

00:55:46   and they were both kind of agreeing that they didn't actually want a four point seven inch phone to be the new smallest [TS]

00:55:52   size that they both are perfectly fine with the current five size and don't want to get any bigger [TS]

00:55:56   and I ended so the question is. [TS]

00:56:00   We believe that line of thinking is you know OK well what you know is there a new four inch phone [TS]

00:56:05   and a new four point seven inch and a new five point five X. [TS]

00:56:08   Like the question is Is there any foreign shown or not [TS]

00:56:12   and I think the answer is very simple for anyone still doubting this. [TS]

00:56:16   I think the answer is four point seven will be the new small size period and maybe there might be like a six S. Six D. [TS]

00:56:24   That still uses the four inch size [TS]

00:56:25   but that's going to be phased out in the next few model lines as as the big size you know goes down in the one I think [TS]

00:56:31   four point seven is the new size and we're going to have a Hempel people saying no I want the i Phone to stay small [TS]

00:56:37   and it's the going to be the exact same thing that happened when they went from three [TS]

00:56:40   and a half inch to four inch with the five they're going to have people to say no I don't want the phone to be any [TS]

00:56:46   bigger than this and a new come out it won't be that much bigger and it won't be a big deal [TS]

00:56:51   and will probably even be thinner and lighter and so they were able to deal with it [TS]

00:56:55   and everyone will forget about their complaint within six months and it'll just be the new site anyway. [TS]

00:57:01   Beginning of this massive paragraph if they're going to use Sapphire for the screens of these new phones that's a lot [TS]

00:57:10   of sapphire. It's really hard to to say to properly communicate how much they have to make of this stuff. [TS]

00:57:17   Yes materials supply wise like manufacturing that they make so many i Phones. [TS]

00:57:23   Anything that goes into the i Phone has to be available in quantity has to have very high manufacturing yields very [TS]

00:57:31   high consistency you know easily easily sourced. [TS]

00:57:34   And I don't know if I know they have that big sapphire thing in Arizona or wherever [TS]

00:57:38   but it would surprise me if they could make enough sapphire all the sudden to be able to be the glass on every i Phone. [TS]

00:57:46   Well I guess I think it's a laminate [TS]

00:57:48   and it could be some deposition process again I don't know anything about the manufacturing [TS]

00:57:51   but like it's I think it's within the realm of the reason that they could that because you're only putting this out [TS]

00:57:59   there. Scratch resistant Sapphire's not giving you anything in terms of Bender shatter resistance I would imagine. [TS]

00:58:05   But anyway I don't think you have to make the whole thing out of I think just need to be the surface coating like it's [TS]

00:58:09   it's hot hardness of this thing and then you back it by other materials whether they be you know Gorilla Glass [TS]

00:58:14   or somethin piece of plastic [TS]

00:58:17   or something like that so I don't know if they keep saying it's part of everybody saying it's a fire. [TS]

00:58:25   I don't know how they can tell I don't think anyone's measuring it. [TS]

00:58:29   I'm sure we'll know as soon as Apple interested because if it's out there I'm sure they will emphasize that. [TS]

00:58:33   Oh yeah definitely. [TS]

00:58:35   I just I was stunned by bend resistance on or off that's right word I'm looking for [TS]

00:58:41   but the way in which this is handled bending which may or may not have anything to do with Sapphire [TS]

00:58:47   but my goodness this thing was then a lot and didn't crack and certainly scratch resistance was incredible [TS]

00:58:55   but the dude the video noted that he didn't really have an appropriate way to test dropping it on a corner which is [TS]

00:59:04   what you guys brought up a minute ago because he didn't have the rest of an i Phone to melt this thing against But I [TS]

00:59:11   agree that that's the real test because pretty much anyone I know with an issue with their i Phone display [TS]

00:59:16   or Android display for that matter is because they've dropped it in some way and it shattered. [TS]

00:59:21   Yeah I've seen scratches and screens to like little nicks or whatever [TS]

00:59:24   but I've seen it like it's hard to notice them because they're small What you notice is the person using a phone with a [TS]

00:59:30   crack in it and no one is ever going to bend their screen like bend it that much the rest of the phone is broken now. [TS]

00:59:35   Doesn't the screen can bend that much the rest of the printed circuit board can't bend that much [TS]

00:59:40   and so if you ever bend your phone that much it's that but if you drop it from the concrete and it lands on a corner [TS]

00:59:45   or smack face down and it shatters then you have the choice of you know getting the screen replaced [TS]

00:59:50   or just sitting there as I see so many people doing [TS]

00:59:52   and swiping their thumbs across fractured pieces of glass just like you know you can cut themselves [TS]

00:59:58   or you know you just spent fifteen. [TS]

01:00:00   Look at the Apple store and get one of those horrible stick on screen protectors and just hope that covers it up [TS]

01:00:05   and might even hold together. Right. Anything else on the i Phone six. [TS]

01:00:10   I know I should note how only answer my own question I agree with both Gruber [TS]

01:00:14   and professors in that I don't want to bigger i Phone but I think you're right Marco that the four point seven [TS]

01:00:19   or whatever the the the new smaller of the new ones I think will be just smallest high end i Phone [TS]

01:00:28   and i think i can get behind a four point seven. [TS]

01:00:31   But goodness this five or five five or whatever it was I do not want that in my life. [TS]

01:00:39   That just seems like a darn tablet. I I would I'm going to have a very hard time choosing between the two. [TS]

01:00:45   If the screen size is the only substantial difference you know if there is something else you know there's rumors that [TS]

01:00:49   the camera might be different if the camera is substantially better on one or the other. [TS]

01:00:54   I will almost certainly get on the better camera. [TS]

01:00:56   I can't imagine you just marketing wise it would be very strange if the biggest one wasn't the best one. [TS]

01:01:03   And so chances are the biggest i Phone whether it will be what it's called the i Phone area i Phone six plus whatever [TS]

01:01:12   the five and a half inch i Phone if it's real it's very likely to have the best of everything that plans to offer [TS]

01:01:17   and so it's very life that it's somewhat certain to commit herself to buy it. [TS]

01:01:20   If this one is the huge one then I'll probably try it [TS]

01:01:24   and I'll take the bullet for all of us who I know John you're not going to buy anything. [TS]

01:01:27   And Casey you're going to stick with a small one or you going to wait two years and I can make fun of you. Exactly. [TS]

01:01:33   In an off year this year so I've got another year to wait. [TS]

01:01:36   We have parts Leaks for the five five it's rumored five point five inch you know that's a good question. [TS]

01:01:42   Still I see some partly it's for that I continue to think that it is like Katie said diversification find a new four [TS]

01:01:49   point seven size while keeping around the old five S. In a different case or whatever or even in the same case. [TS]

01:01:55   That's reasonable diversification I'm not sure they need a five point five. Maybe they're going to have one. [TS]

01:02:01   But I would like to see partly extract more or less I want to see what it looks like you know proportion wise [TS]

01:02:08   and line up all three of them and show next to a hand and see what they would be like. [TS]

01:02:12   I just I don't feel like I have and I think I've said this before. [TS]

01:02:15   I don't feel like I have that much access pocket space in order to stuff a five and a half inch phone. [TS]

01:02:22   And for those of us who leave the house a ham everyone but Marco. [TS]

01:02:26   That's kind of an issue and I don't I don't have a purse I don't have a man purse. [TS]

01:02:34   And so my phone lives in my pocket and I don't think I want to five [TS]

01:02:39   and a half inch phone in my pocket I just don't know whatever will say remind me of this when I buy one in a year [TS]

01:02:46   and a half or whatever but sitting here today I don't think I want that my life. [TS]

01:02:51   Thanks Bloodworth response or this week. Harry's when the dot com and back please and we will see you next week. [TS]

01:03:02   Now it was accidental accidental death was accidental and she is now sitting on the screen sister that's KING LIVE. [TS]

01:04:00   All because John insists on using stupid Google Docs for our show notes. [TS]

01:04:08   I keep the show bought open in Chrome because Google Chrome is my Google. What did you call quarantine. [TS]

01:04:13   Hell whatever you call it Marco. Anyways so about an hour ago somebody Hunter H. [TS]

01:04:19   Suggested a question mark in a box in a question mark in a box which is because I'm stupid chrome still doesn't support [TS]

01:04:26   emoji. Do you think that is so evil of Google it is the real reason you don't use Chrome. Open always wins. [TS]

01:04:35   So I mean working on a very basic web interface for overcast and wiping the new in America because it had to be done. [TS]

01:04:44   No it's because I wind up the fact that there was no web later. [TS]

01:04:48   That's OK so anyway some people whine to me about it so I made a very basic web player [TS]

01:04:56   and I turned on content security policy in very strict mode so the disables any of the things that begin with with [TS]

01:05:03   unsafe but the hardest thing about that is that you can't use inline style or script tags. [TS]

01:05:10   Why script times were easy to pull out in one style tabs are not that easy to pull out if you've already written a [TS]

01:05:15   whole bunch of stuff but the advantages of kind of security policy is that it. [TS]

01:05:21   So if you don't know it's still pretty rarely use I think that's pretty new and pretty hard to use [TS]

01:05:27   but there are these couple of headers you set as a web programmer you had a couple of headers or one header [TS]

01:05:32   but three times to put up a stupid vendor prefixes because web programming is awesome [TS]

01:05:36   and the header basically says only permit javascript from the sources only permit styled stuff a C E O C as a styles [TS]

01:05:46   from the sources only permit images from these sources and so on [TS]

01:05:49   and the spec even kind of inherently yells at you if you enable Kundry policy at all. [TS]

01:05:56   If you want these that like by default it I believe won't allow. [TS]

01:06:00   Anything and if you want the ability to use like an inline style attribute on something [TS]

01:06:05   or an inline script you have to say allow unsafe dash inline or unsafe. [TS]

01:06:12   Evaluate all those on save [TS]

01:06:13   and like it's it's a it's a pretty well in the center if they're well designed standard I think because it's designed [TS]

01:06:20   to inherently yell at you if you set things unsafely. [TS]

01:06:24   So anyway so I've now made my entire interface with it as if it's a very small interface to very small so far [TS]

01:06:31   but I now have my thing where it's it only allows things from from the from its own host and the host of the C.D.N. [TS]

01:06:41   Service from the static pages and that's it and it's great [TS]

01:06:45   and I'm wondering Casey why don't you play with this also why don't you use this on shoeboxes it would it would help [TS]

01:06:52   dramatically reduce the number of people who would ever be exposed to excess on your site. [TS]

01:06:58   If you were to miss a vulnerability I probably should but I don't need to because the Shabat still up what now. [TS]

01:07:07   Well yeah but I'm kidding. [TS]

01:07:09   I understand your point [TS]

01:07:10   and I probably should to be honest this was not something I was familiar with so I'll have to look into it. [TS]

01:07:14   Do sort by votes first please. [TS]

01:07:17   Yeah actually that's you have to do that a fair a question I thought but now it's a cool sanity. [TS]

01:07:22   I learn about it roughly a year ago I think when a good hub enabled it [TS]

01:07:27   and the way I learn about it is that at first like when it was very fresh and [TS]

01:07:32   when by the by browsers most of them would also block bookmarklet execution because that was a script that didn't come [TS]

01:07:39   from blah blah blah and the standards of a plea says bookmarklet should not be interfered with [TS]

01:07:44   but the branches on this that the first time and so it broke both markets for a little while [TS]

01:07:48   and then I But now certainly chrome and Safari fix that. [TS]

01:07:53   Firefox was the last one to fix I don't know if they have yet but who cares it's Firefox. [TS]

01:07:58   Do you remember back in the day when. It was lean and mean. I know we've been over this at some point. [TS]

01:08:02   But yeah my name's on the poster when they launch I donated like fifty bucks [TS]

01:08:06   and got my name like in the in the big ad the big full page ad they were running in some movies new times I don't know. [TS]

01:08:13   Yeah I was like a backer of Firefox and I wrote Firefox extensions at my first job in two thousand [TS]

01:08:18   and four which is a terrible time to write a Firefox attention's it like that. [TS]

01:08:23   I believe when I started it was still called Phoenix and whatever point seven was. [TS]

01:08:28   Yeah Firefox was awesome back in the day. [TS]

01:08:31   The problem is the world moved on [TS]

01:08:33   and Firefox really didn't want became what it was trying to solve because remember Netscape was just this bloated [TS]

01:08:41   disgusting mess and so far foxes all lean and mean it was small downloading it was fast as hell [TS]

01:08:48   and then next thing you know fast forward like four years [TS]

01:08:51   and it's the disgusting bloated mess that Netscape once was over standards compliant. [TS]

01:08:57   I mean it was like we're going to write standards [TS]

01:08:59   and they did do that because all the browsers that supplanted it you know conform to standards with the exception of I [TS]

01:09:04   told very recently and even then still annoyingly but it's exceeded [TS]

01:09:08   and that mission is just that other people picked up the mantle [TS]

01:09:10   and moved on because you know it's got the five I thought of the oldest codebase Well I don't know. [TS]

01:09:15   Caged in old muzzle Anyway it's got it's only got the creepiest code base elements of had much more recent attention to [TS]

01:09:22   to get cleaned up on some of those guys trying to write a new rendering engine to rust. [TS]

01:09:28   That's why they're doing the whole rust thing. [TS]

01:09:30   So maybe they will rise again but they did you know the big they were the flagship for standards [TS]

01:09:37   and now we have standards everywhere and standards are what we want [TS]

01:09:40   and I mostly dead with the exception of the ones that are still supported by the versions of I.E. [TS]

01:09:45   The be thought to deal with. [TS]

01:09:46   So it kind of succeeded in its mission so I don't think it's like it died by getting fat [TS]

01:09:51   and I'm going to fail those measures it's exceeded it's just that now it's a little long in the tooth. [TS]

01:09:56   I mean I remember I used to use Firefox because firebug. [TS]

01:10:00   It's the best and only reasonable way to debunk stuff on the web [TS]

01:10:03   and it just gradually shift it off onto for a while using Safari step tools on the Web good ones are really good now I [TS]

01:10:09   use chromes tools which I think Safari covers all the same bases [TS]

01:10:12   but I was kind of gotten to use to Chrome tools interface kind of like where things are until they change I guess [TS]

01:10:19   but you know I haven't launched Firefox in forever. [TS]

01:10:22   Yeah I have I cannot remember the last time I launch Firefox I use it to post to Twitter [TS]

01:10:29   when we make the website of the show because I leave it. [TS]

01:10:31   I leave Firefox signed in to that account on Twitter and that's it you were quarantined for everything. [TS]

01:10:37   How many browsers do you have. [TS]

01:10:39   Well chrome I used Chrome for some other Twitter logon I forget which one so I want to keep them separate. [TS]

01:10:46   I really didn't want her to get on my desktop as I'm saying but you don't have to be put on your desktop or anything. [TS]

01:10:51   No I deleted it in a fit of productivity boosting because I called Rescue time that that tracks how long you spend [TS]

01:11:00   doing things [TS]

01:11:00   and send you a report every week saying like you spent sixteen hours in Xcode four hours in logic probably And [TS]

01:11:06   and it kept telling me every week that I was apparently spending roughly four hours a week using Twitter [TS]

01:11:12   and that you know that was in just one week that was consistent [TS]

01:11:17   and so I realize you know what I should really not be saying that much time with it [TS]

01:11:23   and so to force myself not spend much time with it I deleted the complete app because you know it's one thing you can [TS]

01:11:29   just read them or not but with a Twitter app it's like log in to each of the accounts separately [TS]

01:11:33   and it's a pain in the butt. [TS]

01:11:34   So I knew that I knew that it would it would be a significant barrier barrier put it back as if you think putting it [TS]

01:11:42   back earlier today because in my effort not to have it on my desktop what I haven't said to right now I have my laptop [TS]

01:11:49   which I still have it installed during during our show I keep tweet open so I can see replies coming in from people [TS]

01:11:57   sims in a somewhat how I have a chat window open. So during our show. [TS]

01:12:00   After my laptop next to me over here [TS]

01:12:01   and at this as the second screen just over Twitter during the day if I post a tweet I still can post tweets from [TS]

01:12:08   notification center [TS]

01:12:09   but I can't read the responses I get that many times I have a conversation with somebody over Twitter DNS [TS]

01:12:16   and sometimes a person isn't someone's business. [TS]

01:12:18   Either way it's a way a lot of people communicate and so it's [TS]

01:12:22   and so I frequently have to like have a Twitter website open in a tab so I can use the D.M. [TS]

01:12:26   Thing there so I can type quickly sort of like using my phone [TS]

01:12:30   or like you know I have a laptop on the side which is annoying in that it's open anyway [TS]

01:12:33   and it is just a different puter and that the copy links back and forth between the two it's it's annoying [TS]

01:12:37   and so I have to organize a question on Twitter and I'll be reading the responses on my phone on my desk bent over [TS]

01:12:45   and just like I'm jumping through a lot of hoops to still use Twitter anyway. [TS]

01:12:51   So my rationale is like I should probably add a back because I'm using it anyway just in ways that Rescue Time doesn't [TS]

01:12:58   really track as easily using anyway [TS]

01:13:01   and it would actually be faster if I had the real app of my desktop again because all these things I would have to go [TS]

01:13:07   through the new hoops they wouldn't be you know transferring things back [TS]

01:13:09   and forth from devices people do things with keyword shortcuts [TS]

01:13:12   and type faster so it's I'm I think I should just put it back [TS]

01:13:17   but I don't know is that is not really exciting I love that you know [TS]

01:13:21   but the discussion about workflows some Someone put in the chat room a link to the article showing the rendering web [TS]

01:13:28   rendering engine time line thing among gecko cage T M L and Web Kit Gecko is slightly older and caged to male [TS]

01:13:36   and also older than Triton which I think is what I use is now the reason why I think most people abandon Firefox over [TS]

01:13:43   the last few years we didn't have a lot to do with gecko [TS]

01:13:46   and had more to do with the Firefox interface being based on rules [TS]

01:13:50   and having like having a whole bunch of crap being able to be thrown in [TS]

01:13:54   and having extensions extensions kind of made and broke Firefox they. [TS]

01:14:00   Made it in that a lot of people use it for a while a lot of people still use it because certain extensions are are only [TS]

01:14:07   there or even only possible there. [TS]

01:14:10   But what made this extensions possible was that the whole Firefox interface is built on. [TS]

01:14:16   I assume it still does please tell me if this is out of date information but it was built on this like a big X.M.L. [TS]

01:14:22   Specification where you can take the whole browser was like specified in X. [TS]

01:14:26   and Now it has always complexities [TS]

01:14:27   and that's one of the reasons why it never looks quite native never looks quite right on the platform [TS]

01:14:32   and why it's very slow because it's it's basically a web page and there's it's more complicated than that [TS]

01:14:39   but that's that's kind of the gist of it is I get specified in this very heavy customizable language so that it can be [TS]

01:14:45   so flexible so extensions can do anything. Senses are in the same language. [TS]

01:14:49   Extensions can control everything do everything. [TS]

01:14:52   The browser was like a giant slow interpreter to run on a scrap including its own interface [TS]

01:14:59   and that I think made Firefox feel much heavier and slower and more bloated. [TS]

01:15:05   Looked pretty bad it didn't have very good design either but so it felt big and slow. [TS]

01:15:11   It was big and slow and it looked big and slow and in the area where now everything is to be efficient and fast [TS]

01:15:17   and getting better and better and everything's getting better and faster [TS]

01:15:20   and Firefox is as big bloated slow thing in the corner. Yeah it hasn't been a while so far as I'm concerned. [TS]

01:15:27   That's right. Hey can we talk about something important. [TS]

01:15:30   I could but you're your show but my Twitter productivity or Firefox the most current topic in the world. [TS]

01:15:36   Well what's more important than these things. [TS]

01:15:39   So what's more important in these things is what I just put in the chat room which is somebody dying node a new M three. [TS]

01:15:46   Can you translate to English for those of us who don't who are not experts in this field. [TS]

01:15:51   Does this refer to a dinosaur in any way. No So somebody put a new M three on a dynamometer which measures. [TS]

01:16:00   How much power the car produces and they compared it to the prior generation M three which is from my generation [TS]

01:16:07   and my goodness you should see the torque curve on this thing. [TS]

01:16:11   It goes from no torque to use atop your ism you darn near all of its torques in a thousand rpm. [TS]

01:16:19   It's ridiculous in the worst Jonty Do you really slightly appreciate this magic of turbos. [TS]

01:16:28   Yep so it is the magic of turbos however might my car actually doesn't have a curve that different from this [TS]

01:16:37   and I can tell you it's mostly useless because if you actually give it full power at low reds you just lose grip in the [TS]

01:16:44   tire spent like you can't actually use all of your torque off the line which is where I think it matters most. [TS]

01:16:51   You can't use it all because it's too much power for two wheels to put down. [TS]

01:16:57   For me out of four wheel drive car I know that well there isn't one [TS]

01:17:00   but a terrible I wish they would make some better ones. Much of launch control nothing. [TS]

01:17:04   You know how many times have you tried it. [TS]

01:17:06   Zero isn't the point of watching for the spin the wheels even will know the computer controls making sure that you get [TS]

01:17:15   the car moving as fast as possible so it's going to modulating the throttle [TS]

01:17:19   and it is much like the brakes will anyway want to maintain French [TS]

01:17:22   and read of the ragged edge of you losing traction [TS]

01:17:25   but not going over it in a way that you can kind of like any like brakes in a way that you couldn't do yourself of your [TS]

01:17:30   monthly. [TS]

01:17:30   That's by those at the most recent car [TS]

01:17:33   and driver they have the Porsche nine eighteen going to sixty in two point two seconds us. That's launch control. [TS]

01:17:40   That's insane to me like this is exciting. It's exciting in that the M. [TS]

01:17:45   Cars can get a much better and they're able to get this much power out of a six under again. [TS]

01:17:49   So the cars are getting smaller lighter or at least you know making the same way to get a more powerful close enough [TS]

01:17:55   but they don't need more power. Power is not the challenge right now. They need. [TS]

01:18:00   Lower weight and needed any better traction and I think they are pretty much at the limit. On the B.M.W. [TS]

01:18:06   Side I think it pretty much at the limits of how much torque you can apply the two wheels [TS]

01:18:10   and have it be reasonably useful. I think they need to move to another drive system in the M. [TS]

01:18:14   Cars that's like the biggest. There's too much power there and this is what the current generation. [TS]

01:18:19   What do you do with the next generation of these things where presumably the power is going to go even further up. [TS]

01:18:25   And the way it's going to go down how you can apply the power of the road. Yeah I'm not so sure you're right. [TS]

01:18:31   The war war you about this forever more. But to come back to what John was saying so I'm attempting and failing. [TS]

01:18:37   There we go to put a link in the chat room for me. [TS]

01:18:40   This past I think was this past winter in my car doing a four wheel burnout in snow [TS]

01:18:46   and I did go I took the video actually Aaron took a video using one of our i Phones in high frame rate mode [TS]

01:18:54   and if you look at the front tire you can see it slowing down speeding up slowing down speeding up slowly [TS]

01:19:00   and speeding up in order because the trash controls trying to keep me moving forward. [TS]

01:19:06   And so it's a very fascinating video seeing it in slow mo because I can assure you that [TS]

01:19:11   when you see this at full speed it did not look like that was happening at all [TS]

01:19:15   and as a quick aside a friend of mine who has a ship's rear drive three thirty five said to me that he went through the [TS]

01:19:25   rear brakes extremely quickly because the trash control was just melting all the rear brakes trying to keep him moving [TS]

01:19:33   forward and I just thought I was hysterical. I think Launch Control is the same things as traction in Colorado. [TS]

01:19:38   I think of the idea of articles there. [TS]

01:19:40   I mean some incorrectly are wrong but that it's not using the brakes as much as traction control on a slippery surface. [TS]

01:19:47   I think you're right. [TS]

01:19:48   I think it's more about clutch application and how many revs you have when you pretty much dump the clutch. [TS]

01:19:54   But I think at least in part it uses brakes in order to. [TS]

01:20:00   They get everything moving forward a lot of them car actually has a limited slip which I guess helps. [TS]

01:20:05   She now I don't feel better at all about talking for like two minutes about my Twitter productivity challenges because [TS]

01:20:11   now you've spent time on this isn't going to cut all this out. I want everyone to know how boring we are. [TS]