00:00:00 ◼ ► How do we always have this much talk about even when we have nothing to talk about. [TS]
00:00:08 ◼ ► and you won't have much to say here because I'm definitely don't want to bow guarding the mike of the three of us. [TS]
00:00:13 ◼ ► It's John and he was always my job because you invented fart is not really that big of a surprise. [TS]
00:00:23 ◼ ► I put all this all up you guys can provide all been to you know you know we don't believe in following up on things [TS]
00:00:28 ◼ ► because we're just always right. Undo is being right. Adding additional information. [TS]
00:00:36 ◼ ► People ask on the like on the earning calls Come get some more color on that would provide more. [TS]
00:00:46 ◼ ► Connector that we talked about many many many shows ago they have a report of the final at the spec [TS]
00:00:52 ◼ ► and released a bunch of images of what the connector is supposed to look like if you look mission out you can see it. [TS]
00:00:58 ◼ ► We have like mock ups before we already knew that it wasn't going to be like lightning it wasn't going to be a solid [TS]
00:01:03 ◼ ► metal thing with contacts on the top and bottom but rather was going to be more like an existing U.S.B. [TS]
00:01:19 ◼ ► and then in the thing you plug it into There is a little board with contacts on top and bottom [TS]
00:01:25 ◼ ► and anyway it's difficult to explain look at pictures in the show notes you can see what it looks like it's not very [TS]
00:01:30 ◼ ► exciting to look at I guess I mean it's got to it's basically like a rectangle around and caps on the right [TS]
00:01:37 ◼ ► and left side that I guess is not much more to say about except there's one comment on the art I think a story which [TS]
00:01:46 ◼ ► will link from PETER BRIGHT who is known for being wrong about everything all the time. [TS]
00:01:53 ◼ ► Yeah that's kind of his reputation. Way to put it gently How do you really feel in a pleasant way. [TS]
00:02:03 ◼ ► but one of those whenever there's a choice to make one decision other based on subjective criteria he chooses wrong. [TS]
00:02:08 ◼ ► It's this like the John Surtees equivalent of bless his heart now. Anyway he wrote in the comments. [TS]
00:02:19 ◼ ► Traditionally get this right putting them in the cable which is cheap and easy to replace. [TS]
00:02:22 ◼ ► Apple did it wrong putting them in the port which is expensive endeavor to replace when he's talking about is [TS]
00:02:27 ◼ ► when you have a connector were two contacts pressed up against each other one of them has that one [TS]
00:02:31 ◼ ► or both of them have to have some give to them otherwise you would have to if they were both completely rigid you'd [TS]
00:02:36 ◼ ► and you had to have these little you know metal things touching each other exactly one of them you want to be kind of [TS]
00:02:45 ◼ ► Then they move back and forth the spring will account for that motion by staying in contact with the thing. [TS]
00:02:52 ◼ ► and one springy part of I suppose you could do to spring apart to work the same and Lightning connector. [TS]
00:02:56 ◼ ► The little thing you plug in is Steph you can look at the little metal solid metal thing with contacts on top [TS]
00:03:03 ◼ ► but inside the connector are these little kind of springy finger things that are with no connectors in it they are [TS]
00:03:16 ◼ ► when it's inserted in there the connectors are pressing against the contact areas of the Lightning connector with a [TS]
00:03:23 ◼ ► little bit thing staying contact with each other. And Peter is saying that in U.S.B. [TS]
00:03:30 ◼ ► The little springy things are inside the connectors so if they get on springy or they start to get loose [TS]
00:03:36 ◼ ► and enlightening the little springy things are inside the connector itself so the cable doesn't matter if those little [TS]
00:03:42 ◼ ► springy things get loose you need to replace the thing that the cable connection to which makes some sense [TS]
00:03:48 ◼ ► but the big question always is what is the expected lifetime of those friendly things at the expected lifetime of the [TS]
00:03:55 ◼ ► little springy things exceed the expected lifetime of the device then you're fine. [TS]
00:04:02 ◼ ► I like the idea as if I could run the patches that the Lightning connector is you know is very physically robust it is [TS]
00:04:10 ◼ ► and good of metal that does have very fine connect contacts on it which I guess is just the price of being small [TS]
00:04:20 ◼ ► Forget how many are lighting I guess again they are this thing look older than eight. [TS]
00:04:28 ◼ ► but the connector itself like there's nothing to snag on anything you can bang it around and it will probably be OK. [TS]
00:04:35 ◼ ► It seems more robust to me than a similarly sized connector the U.S.B. Three you know U.S.B. [TS]
00:04:42 ◼ ► but not that much I think we went over the exact size in the meters on the previous episode [TS]
00:04:58 ◼ ► when you rather replace the cheap cable then replace buildings of you have if you had something fragile into your cable [TS]
00:05:04 ◼ ► like your connectors are fragile and you I think you know stepped on them or they got dropped inventor [TS]
00:05:14 ◼ ► So it's not so bad for the connectors to be fragile of the springy parts is a good point there I'm not quite sure how [TS]
00:05:19 ◼ ► that's going to work out in practice I don't think lightning has been in the market long enough for anyone to have a [TS]
00:05:24 ◼ ► Lightning connector device where the little springy things become and springy or get permanently bent up [TS]
00:05:31 ◼ ► Well what's interesting is that this actually might be a good design in Apple's part because it certainly seems from [TS]
00:05:37 ◼ ► the sound of people complaining when lightning came out that the cables might outlast people's use of the devices. [TS]
00:05:47 ◼ ► Well they still have the little you know little string really sleeves on the edge. [TS]
00:05:52 ◼ ► but I'm saying like I bet I bet that the average person who has more than one i Phone in their life they probably keep [TS]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Why do you like it was really annoying to me when I when I bought lightning cables when when F.M. [TS]
00:06:05 ◼ ► Five came out because I had accumulated so many dock able to over the years that I wanted to like you know at least [TS]
00:06:10 ◼ ► partially matched my collections so I could have all the convenience of having these things everywhere. [TS]
00:06:15 ◼ ► I bet that the head of cross somebodies mind at some point in an apple in a home center that actually you know most [TS]
00:06:22 ◼ ► people replace their i Phone every one to two years. Where are these cables might hang around for five years or more. [TS]
00:06:28 ◼ ► Well the thing about the cables I do I also have a lot of old cables hanging around [TS]
00:06:33 ◼ ► but I would imagine the part that fails in the cables I guess that is not the connector part of the unwinding [TS]
00:06:37 ◼ ► or even the dock connector which is crazy wide thing with very weird you know tiny contacts in there. [TS]
00:06:49 ◼ ► but it said it's the the wire itself especially the strain relief parts for people who are not delicate with their [TS]
00:06:55 ◼ ► and yank it out eventual ie the part where the wire goes into the connector starts to fray one side goes doesn't matter [TS]
00:07:01 ◼ ► that your Connector is still fine the whole wire is dead. You could be right especially for phones. [TS]
00:07:06 ◼ ► Unlike a two year replacement cycle contracts in the US that the cable my out of the thing the thing about I mean I [TS]
00:07:12 ◼ ► said lighting hasn't been around for a while for a long enough for us to know if the little springy things are a [TS]
00:07:17 ◼ ► We do know that in all connectors dock port lightning anything with any portable device that you carry around pockets [TS]
00:07:23 ◼ ► and stuff lint is an issue if there's a hole in a vise and you're carrying around your pocket or in your purse. [TS]
00:07:29 ◼ ► Lint will get in there and I know many people who have had to either had to go to the Apple Store [TS]
00:07:37 ◼ ► or something to remove big wads of lint from because like you mentioned if you pack in enough lint in your thing [TS]
00:07:47 ◼ ► and you know there's too little dents in the side of lightning connection of these other these other two little springy [TS]
00:07:54 ◼ ► and then you know it's probably seeded that's why you get that little click if you had enough crap inside that you can [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► That's there's not much I think that connector can do about that except maybe not having it open on being more like Mag [TS]
00:08:10 ◼ ► Is getting reversible I think the connector looks OK would've preferred if it looked to work like lightning [TS]
00:08:15 ◼ ► but there is an open question about durability for both of them because neither one has existed long assed know long [TS]
00:08:20 ◼ ► enough for us to know and I'm just proud of them for finally making possibly maybe just maybe a micro U.S.B. [TS]
00:08:28 ◼ ► Connector that isn't totally infuriating to insert a remove. Let's not go too far. [TS]
00:08:37 ◼ ► Connectors that are out there in this thread on our stepping on the common thread about this connector. [TS]
00:08:47 ◼ ► and how the you know to many standards I know make one standard that everyone can use now you just created one more [TS]
00:08:53 ◼ ► That's the history of Us speak like that just get creating a connector as a connector there are so many of them [TS]
00:08:59 ◼ ► and so many different shapes and sizes plus the weird proprietary ones that occasionally people come out with it [TS]
00:09:07 ◼ ► Hopefully this new reversible one will sweep away all the old ones at the very least I hope it replaces everything on [TS]
00:09:19 ◼ ► and stuff like that because I think there is going to do their own thing but anyway I welcome my new U.S.B. [TS]
00:09:26 ◼ ► Connector overlords. That's the Simpsons and it is good job. Ho raha. We are sponsored tonight first by return sponsor. [TS]
00:09:37 ◼ ► It's automatic automatic. Is your smart driving assistant on your smartphone go to automatic dot com slash A.T.P.. [TS]
00:09:49 ◼ ► Man is it OK Which one's the wrapper which one support every time going to ask a question on board the lady. [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Which almost every car made since I think ninety six was when they started generating this. [TS]
00:10:09 ◼ ► but chances are very very good the your car supported automatic is a little thing you plug into the sport [TS]
00:10:14 ◼ ► and it uses Bluetooth it talks to a smartphone app it monitors how you drive so that way you can monitor your fuel [TS]
00:10:22 ◼ ► You can read check engine type error code so like rather than just having one check engine light on the dashboard it'll [TS]
00:10:28 ◼ ► tell you like your oxygen sensor is broken you should probably get that looked at you know it tell you more specifics. [TS]
00:10:35 ◼ ► and the port detects that which most of them do it can signal for help if you're in a major crash. [TS]
00:10:41 ◼ ► There's like a little thing on the app you can tell not to one of the happens if you want to within like thirty seconds [TS]
00:10:45 ◼ ► on like that but chances are you probably want to if you're in a serious crash and the best part about this though [TS]
00:10:51 ◼ ► and you should look at the app it's pretty cool. The best part of it automatic it intelligently monitors how you drive. [TS]
00:11:01 ◼ ► and other factors you want to optimize for so it gives you all the data you need to track your fuel cost even checks [TS]
00:11:10 ◼ ► and it can give you tips on small changes you can make to save a lot of money in the long run it can even make several [TS]
00:11:15 ◼ ► audio cues when you drive inefficiently if you like you know Sony Excel or too often [TS]
00:11:20 ◼ ► or slam on the brakes too hard it'll kind of remind you subtly to help guide you towards better habits to reach the [TS]
00:11:32 ◼ ► My car has one of those lane change warnings things where little cameras look at the road [TS]
00:11:47 ◼ ► And when I first got the car I was heading that all the time and I realized it was most because of my own bad habits. [TS]
00:11:53 ◼ ► Like I would start drifting a little bit to the left on the highway before I would from the turn signal on to change [TS]
00:12:04 ◼ ► Having this car I proved my habits I improve my technique just subtly with that slight reminder to [TS]
00:12:11 ◼ ► and so automatic can do that for you with these audio cues if you you know to reach the goals you have for fuel economy [TS]
00:12:23 ◼ ► and really get you help in a serious crash diagnose engine lights all this fun stuff. [TS]
00:12:26 ◼ ► There's even a parking locator that ties in with the app so we can read it can tell you where you park your car. [TS]
00:12:32 ◼ ► They have apps for i Phone and Android and you can order one for just a hundred bucks. There's no subscription fees. [TS]
00:12:43 ◼ ► The service comes with that price there is no monthly subscription for all this cool stuff. [TS]
00:12:47 ◼ ► Free shipping ships in two business days and they have a forty five day return policy. [TS]
00:13:02 ◼ ► You don't have you don't have to pay a hundred bucks for this even though it's a great value we have a special price [TS]
00:13:11 ◼ ► The spa the normal way not the Wordpress way automatic dot com slash A.T.P. Date a special deal you think it is a box. [TS]
00:13:26 ◼ ► Ten percent is you know hey that's pretty quiet appreciate that but one percent that's some serious stuff. [TS]
00:13:34 ◼ ► Yeah you wonder the next one just pasted in there but I have no particular tied to it more than anyone else does. [TS]
00:13:45 ◼ ► but this is from Gavin regarding arm Max And again there's like three hundred words here I don't know which particular [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► You know I think this is the one Austin where you can select a bunch of text and ask it to summarize it for you. [TS]
00:14:25 ◼ ► Running I a less and not owe us ten I think that's essentially what he's asking about here. What would that accomplish. [TS]
00:14:32 ◼ ► That like one of those silly logic tech keyboard covers doesn't other than the fact that it would be less silly. [TS]
00:14:38 ◼ ► Well I think the idea is that like I was the neuro US IOW US has less annoying stuff [TS]
00:14:43 ◼ ► and it is easier for people to use. Why should a laptop to be stuck with the more complicated O. [TS]
00:14:52 ◼ ► and I think the obvious answer to that is that you know what to do to touch screen [TS]
00:14:59 ◼ ► or not because that's the question first question oh that's right I was running I was I was doesn't work with a mouse [TS]
00:15:10 ◼ ► No you use the same malice and keyboard combinations that the eye was simulator uses because those are super fun [TS]
00:15:19 ◼ ► and there's still no shortcut to adjust in any text size does not feel like the exact one about a laptop a wimp a [TS]
00:15:26 ◼ ► version of I O. As you know so the saying is going to Windows What is one point does something internal fuel P.H.P. [TS]
00:15:36 ◼ ► Pointer whatever a thing is going to have a competitive Chromebook basically So the idea is instead of you know having [TS]
00:15:45 ◼ ► and the other the other part of the you know as one of you had something that was like an Intel computer in the house [TS]
00:15:51 ◼ ► which goes the truck but each person has their own like I was device that either docks with or connects with bad [TS]
00:16:05 ◼ ► when I read this part I thought it seems like well I don't know their place in cycles [TS]
00:16:09 ◼ ► but it seems like the replacement cycle for private in particular is not particularly frequent like they are hanging [TS]
00:16:19 ◼ ► but they certainly hang around for a long time because they're not tied to a contract There's nothing artificial making [TS]
00:16:23 ◼ ► your crit so I know so so many people who still have i Pad ones being used in the house. [TS]
00:16:28 ◼ ► Granted kids but like you cannot kill these things like if you don't physically break it [TS]
00:16:34 ◼ ► and it was running before I guess at a certain point maybe like if you can't view youtube on it anymore of the browser [TS]
00:16:40 ◼ ► become so all that you can use most Web sites that will kill it but well you haven't answered this question. [TS]
00:16:45 ◼ ► Kind of trying to show underscore David Smith just updated his version stats page to include the average device age [TS]
00:17:00 ◼ ► And by comparison an i Phone is eight hundred four days so a difference of what is an eighty days some like thirty [TS]
00:17:08 ◼ ► and I was surprised that they were so similar you would think the upgrade cycle on phones would make them last longer [TS]
00:17:16 ◼ ► The thing the problem with the underscore of underscores that is I don't know if he has a broad enough cross-section of [TS]
00:17:23 ◼ ► the user base I think a lot of the people who used apps or know about them might be in a nerd circle [TS]
00:17:28 ◼ ► and could be skewing things a bit but well this is all from audiobooks alone I thought. [TS]
00:17:36 ◼ ► and then you know now that I think about it like in the same way that i Pads get handed down I do know a lot of cousins [TS]
00:17:50 ◼ ► You know that that from what I gather is maybe not a uniquely American thing but a particularly American thing. [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► I've got a lot of issues in terms of the input for the you know Iowa's power to Chromebook type thing. [TS]
00:18:12 ◼ ► but we don't have we're not anywhere close to having a replacement for all the functionality that a mac provides an [TS]
00:18:29 ◼ ► and I don't know the Chromebook to me on paper I don't understand why it's appealing [TS]
00:18:35 ◼ ► but I know Ben Thompson Street tech or e because it used to be strategic or e now it's trajectory. [TS]
00:18:41 ◼ ► I know he swears by his and I've heard from others so I can remember who that they love they are. [TS]
00:18:47 ◼ ► But having never used one I don't get it but then again I said the same thing about my pad [TS]
00:18:51 ◼ ► and I love my pad so I don't know if on paper you don't get it on paper is exactly where I get it. [TS]
00:18:59 ◼ ► and in theory all the things that they're doing I think are great is just in practice the actual devices. [TS]
00:19:04 ◼ ► I have not found appealing although maybe I just need use of available ideas like throw it in a river who cares. [TS]
00:19:11 ◼ ► All your stuff somewhere else you just sign and everything sinks nothing is local. [TS]
00:19:14 ◼ ► Everything local is just the cash everything's in the cloud all your applications or web applications [TS]
00:19:22 ◼ ► Don't worry about backups don't worry about a local device management don't worry about anything it's just like you [TS]
00:19:28 ◼ ► know it's not a dumb terminal it's a smart terminal you know like you have you have local disk local cache memory [TS]
00:19:38 ◼ ► but you where you've eliminated all the stupid concerns that make us have difficult tech support calls with relatives [TS]
00:19:51 ◼ ► How do you use it how is the experience how was the hardware What is the pricing and performance like [TS]
00:20:05 ◼ ► but like if anyone's going to get there first it's going to be Google so I keep my eye on the chrome book space to see [TS]
00:20:11 ◼ ► how it's going but so far it's not has not impressed me. Yeah right. So we also have some follow up. [TS]
00:20:19 ◼ ► This was sent specifically to us right from Jared Sinclair. Yes Thank you. Don't you read your e-mail. [TS]
00:20:29 ◼ ► So he says in an e-mail to the three of us in my post I was very careful not to assign blame to anyone else for unread [TS]
00:20:43 ◼ ► Here's why in response to Brent Simmons recent post about who are the Indian I was developers numerous people on [TS]
00:20:52 ◼ ► and several app store features I could see why an outside observer might assume that unread was earning me a [TS]
00:21:00 ◼ ► I don't want someone to take my silence as a test approval of that notion more importantly I don't want someone to [TS]
00:21:05 ◼ ► consider scare quotes going indie to make that career change without hearing about how easy it is to fall to fail [TS]
00:21:14 ◼ ► The scale of the App Store with over one hundred million credit cards can make it seem like any given issue is big [TS]
00:21:22 ◼ ► The idea there is that great design and great reviews will be enough to carry you. [TS]
00:21:26 ◼ ► Reality often contradicts contradicts that wishful thinking. As I learned the hard way. [TS]
00:21:35 ◼ ► So I thought that was pretty interesting and well phrased and similar in kind of relatedly sometime in the last week [TS]
00:21:49 ◼ ► but it doesn't really matter what someone he talked about it actually on good punk that's called release notes that you [TS]
00:21:55 ◼ ► should listen to it. If you're a developer especially if you listen to the show that will be relevant to you. [TS]
00:22:00 ◼ ► It's a very good show and they had him on last week in this way to talk more about it. [TS]
00:22:14 ◼ ► And Ed really quickly a realtime follow up its blog was in that he is joining. Cool. Yes So I mean I don't know. [TS]
00:22:23 ◼ ► There's so many angles to to this whole thing first of all I don't think it's worth anybody trying to figure out what [TS]
00:22:30 ◼ ► Indy should mean the definition of the word indie doesn't really matter for the purposes of this argument I don't think [TS]
00:22:40 ◼ ► I don't think we need to care about how many people are there making their living soley on this [TS]
00:22:47 ◼ ► and I think you can is look around to see you know is this that it's hard. There's a lot of people out there doing. [TS]
00:23:01 ◼ ► That to some degree has always been the case of our friend owners were David Smith did an episode develop in [TS]
00:23:06 ◼ ► but you should also be listening to during the very first week as we've been discussing a few weeks back where he [TS]
00:23:12 ◼ ► basically said it's always been hard and he's right I mean I've I've been in the answer since day one [TS]
00:23:28 ◼ ► and even though I submitted by the deadline that where they said you'd be there on day one I wasn't. [TS]
00:23:37 ◼ ► And yet the fact is it's always been hard. I was lucky that my app was very popular from the start. [TS]
00:23:52 ◼ ► and I've had you know other efforts since then that were not that successful and I saw the side of it too. [TS]
00:24:00 ◼ ► At some point I want to do a big blog post about marketing and what that actually means. [TS]
00:24:05 ◼ ► and I would probably would probably include me talking about brands because it's actually relevant you have to think [TS]
00:24:18 ◼ ► when I decided to start making the very first thing I did after deciding OK I'm going to take this little prototype [TS]
00:24:29 ◼ ► and make a folder of my phones I could keep tabs on them and see what they had and see what they did [TS]
00:24:44 ◼ ► or saying you know this is down Cass's unstick as there's a party and like all the all the apps. [TS]
00:24:48 ◼ ► Here's how they look here they're setting screen here the playback screen here's their list screen here's the options [TS]
00:24:53 ◼ ► you know that they have and whatever I did all this so that I could have like this portfolio of info [TS]
00:25:05 ◼ ► How will it be better than or worse than these apps and what you know in what regards Will I be better than this [TS]
00:25:10 ◼ ► and then you know for each app I had an entry in a big text file saying here's the pros over Casper to the seven here's [TS]
00:25:37 ◼ ► I wanted this app to be to be successful enough that I could develop it for years because that's what I want to do I [TS]
00:25:43 ◼ ► want to keep working on this I don't like. Now it's out. I've actually there is an update which I get to I guess later. [TS]
00:25:50 ◼ ► I've I've already fixed many of the known bugs if I if I want to get to bed in this app move I could probably have been [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► So far I will be able to you know it's selling well enough that so far I can do that [TS]
00:26:05 ◼ ► but I did all this research up front and all this planning to to really know like what. [TS]
00:26:14 ◼ ► and you know Jared points out there's this idea that you know he says idea that great designing your views will be [TS]
00:26:23 ◼ ► And that's not and he points out rightly that's that's wishful thinking that's you know that doesn't fit reality. [TS]
00:26:30 ◼ ► Because the fact is you can have the best launch in the world and be all over Daring Fireball mac stories [TS]
00:26:38 ◼ ► But what you have to look at is an absolute buyer who is just browsing the app store who has searched for the kind of [TS]
00:26:56 ◼ ► and make a decision you have to ask yourself before you even start any work at all you have to ask yourself will that [TS]
00:27:03 ◼ ► will people meaningfully in meaningful numbers will people buy my app in that situation. [TS]
00:27:14 ◼ ► and they're going to they're going to make a few comparisons probably first you look at price [TS]
00:27:18 ◼ ► and they're in a look at the very first look to see if there's a free one that fits their needs [TS]
00:27:30 ◼ ► If you're lucky and no one ever ever ever reads the description text I read I read some of it. [TS]
00:27:38 ◼ ► Yeah I read it too but you know I also read emails so it was like three words visible as different. Yeah. [TS]
00:27:44 ◼ ► OK two or three words a period you know I knew line one word newline tab for more. [TS]
00:27:51 ◼ ► and no one ever Apple Apple there is designing for what people actually do like it used to be more text visible. [TS]
00:27:58 ◼ ► And over time they've shrunk it big. Presumably because nobody reads it and they can use that space for other things. [TS]
00:28:08 ◼ ► This is this is marketing this is part of marketing is figuring out where you fit in the market [TS]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and making sure you're going to fit somewhere that there actually is a market for its marketing from the very beginning [TS]
00:28:22 ◼ ► You have to be able to think you know you have to will make a good case for your app based on no reviews having been [TS]
00:28:30 ◼ ► Usually not even people trying trials are different after usually stick with whatever they use first. [TS]
00:28:36 ◼ ► So in that list when they do they have to be asked or circular browsing a list is you're apt to be compelling enough [TS]
00:28:43 ◼ ► and the fact is because there are so many apps in the store it's hard to be compelling [TS]
00:28:51 ◼ ► It's the reason it's so hard is because of how people browse the reason the race to the bottom happened is because of [TS]
00:28:58 ◼ ► that it's because most people are buying apps not from their desktop reading reviews and clicking the link to go to. [TS]
00:29:04 ◼ ► I do not have the apps and for most people are buying outright from the phone in the App Store app period [TS]
00:29:12 ◼ ► but I have it once we have better analysts will find it out pretty quickly probably through through browsing topless [TS]
00:29:21 ◼ ► And you know most people are going to be on the top list so you know your hope is searching for terms [TS]
00:29:26 ◼ ► when they browse the list and they see that one of the apps is free or that like three or four of them are free [TS]
00:29:32 ◼ ► and there's your apps and there are four bucks you don't stand a chance. You just don't. [TS]
00:29:45 ◼ ► and Europe's four bucks that's fine you have a decent chance there but the average person browsing [TS]
00:29:55 ◼ ► That's fine but for general audience apps general purpose apps that are not being used. [TS]
00:30:02 ◼ ► General audience that this is how people browse they look for what they want. They find one hopefully that's free. [TS]
00:30:17 ◼ ► This is why overcast is not paid up front in tape or is paid up front the whole time. I saw the challenges. [TS]
00:30:24 ◼ ► Then it's not working very well and it's hard for developers to accept this because paid up front is easy. [TS]
00:30:34 ◼ ► and you don't have to worry about trying to manage purchases or anything like that you just make a great app [TS]
00:30:39 ◼ ► and you put a price tag on it and you're done and you don't have to deal with refunds [TS]
00:30:43 ◼ ► or anything like that because Apple does that for you and you don't have to deal with limiting things and trials [TS]
00:30:48 ◼ ► and demos and working with a number limitations and rules for that and all that stuff you just put it up there [TS]
00:30:53 ◼ ► and you're done. It's a great story. It worked for a long time. It stopped working. It doesn't work now. [TS]
00:31:00 ◼ ► Now you have a lot more work into it. You know now you have to actually figure out well what can I. [TS]
00:31:12 ◼ ► and then you have to implement that you have to say All right well you have to like like it overcast I mean these like [TS]
00:31:16 ◼ ► little demo modes where you can demo the effects for five minutes and you know before you buy them that's all dish [TS]
00:31:21 ◼ ► or no work I had to have an interface for buying things that have a screen explaining that what you get [TS]
00:31:26 ◼ ► when you buy things you have to have all these different states just in the app you have to [TS]
00:31:29 ◼ ► when I was eight years to deal with delayed purchases all this stuff this is just the reality of the market now you [TS]
00:31:38 ◼ ► You probably if you want a general audience app you probably have to do free with that purchase to make any money [TS]
00:31:43 ◼ ► and that's just the reality of it you know what Jared was doing with on Red was appealing to us appealing to people [TS]
00:31:52 ◼ ► like you and me. But that's not the market. That's a very small part of the market. [TS]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Do you think you would have had maybe the bravery is the best way to phrase it to release overcast had you not already [TS]
00:32:11 ◼ ► and I'm not saying like the other people do you think internally you would have had the bravery again for like a better [TS]
00:32:17 ◼ ► word to jump into the App Store in today's App Store had you not already lived through two thousand a tap store I [TS]
00:32:26 ◼ ► probably would have been stupid enough to do it and I mean I and I don't want discourage people from doing it. [TS]
00:32:38 ◼ ► and eight you could put anything up there I mean God forbid if you actually see screenshots of his behavior one point [TS]
00:32:43 ◼ ► oh it's a disaster and I actually didn't have I didn't have a paid app on day one my first app was free [TS]
00:32:49 ◼ ► and I made super pro about two months in that was the paid app so about two months [TS]
00:32:53 ◼ ► and I started getting paid revenue and even even that version a look at the screenshots it's just a disaster. [TS]
00:33:05 ◼ ► It's crazy and the fact is Stanford is much lower back then there was a lot less in the store these days. [TS]
00:33:12 ◼ ► Every category already has ten apps and it at least specially got some some categories have thousands. [TS]
00:33:29 ◼ ► and you can't really depend you know Jared's right you know it's not it's not really ascribe blame to Apple on this [TS]
00:33:38 ◼ ► and this post was a failure of mine as a writer I had about three different ideas I wanted to express. [TS]
00:33:54 ◼ ► and people misinterpret it to mean a lot of different things because I try to conflate these different things. [TS]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Put into one post. Apple is not really at fault at all here for this for this part of the market failure. [TS]
00:34:13 ◼ ► or any point that this is an overpaid upgrade you know this is simply the result of the market having a ton of people [TS]
00:34:19 ◼ ► in it a ton of developers do this as talked about last week so you know it's there's not much Apple can do to fix this [TS]
00:34:28 ◼ ► There's something they need to fix other problems like like I mentioned getting rid of the top lists that won't fix [TS]
00:34:37 ◼ ► but this problem is here to stay because the market is just this big kind of the same way it was with like with just [TS]
00:34:43 ◼ ► companies in general of the dot com thing right where you know it started out if you were an Internet company [TS]
00:34:50 ◼ ► and you had a Web site you had a reasonable shot but then all the Web sites got better [TS]
00:34:53 ◼ ► and very quickly one of all because the business model where you get as much venture capital as you can you try to get [TS]
00:35:00 ◼ ► as many users as you can by giving away everything you can for free and then figure out how to monetize it later [TS]
00:35:08 ◼ ► but we are in the part where like the goal is to get every single human being with an I.R.S. [TS]
00:35:14 ◼ ► and have within this application a way to get money from the already there like you know people don't have to use it [TS]
00:35:26 ◼ ► and I respect it's better than a dot com where they're just like I will figure out later we didn't get as many people [TS]
00:35:30 ◼ ► but that strategy of obs quickly of like growth over everything get as many use just possible that is the number one [TS]
00:35:38 ◼ ► I don't care how many people I don't care of our conversion rate is point oh one percent if we get just millions [TS]
00:35:43 ◼ ► and millions of users still serious money and when that happened in the dot com world [TS]
00:35:50 ◼ ► and continues to happen you know argue they were like What the hell was that one nine hundred billion dollars It was [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Still a viable strategy like no one is buying whatsapp if they want that pursued the strategy of just just you know get [TS]
00:36:06 ◼ ► as many as possible become super valuable Instagram too for that matter to Graeme's now to be fair it's a really really [TS]
00:36:15 ◼ ► Well that's possible because none of this entire industry in the entire Take industry just freaked out Facebook [TS]
00:36:21 ◼ ► Well see the others like the old strategy before they were big companies like Facebook to buy you for too much money. [TS]
00:36:33 ◼ ► but the Obama's will just get a bazillion users our growth curve will look like a hockey stick and will I.P.O. [TS]
00:36:42 ◼ ► but on the tubes you know like in other was no one would buy us we never will figure out how to make money [TS]
00:36:52 ◼ ► or someone you know the new strategy is get as many users possible you know that freak out Facebook [TS]
00:37:00 ◼ ► and that's how you get your big payday down from the idea over from the acquisition and then you know whatever. [TS]
00:37:11 ◼ ► Get it get big really really fast but just like in business today even though that is still a viable strategy [TS]
00:37:20 ◼ ► The other strategies evolve along with it not every company that has you know not every sort of online focused company [TS]
00:37:26 ◼ ► decides that its strategy is going to be getting many people as possible so it's possible I'm not sure where the [TS]
00:37:32 ◼ ► breakdown is like are there more sort of you know technology based startups are trying to get as many users as possible [TS]
00:37:43 ◼ ► when you get into physical goods it gets different like Nest the strategy of the nest company was not to get users [TS]
00:37:55 ◼ ► but it was not like you know whatsapp type numbers but they made a quality product. [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► A charge people for it and it was enough to get them acquired by somebody who wanted the talents they had [TS]
00:38:04 ◼ ► and I you know that were government but they didn't pursue that strategy and it was still successful. [TS]
00:38:08 ◼ ► So you mentioned for applications where all the specialty Apple doesn't apply to you if you want to go to the mass [TS]
00:38:16 ◼ ► I think there is a spectrum where I think an application like a PO where it's it's not like a super specialty app like [TS]
00:38:23 ◼ ► something for you know someone and very specific field to use tons of musicians musicians is a big market [TS]
00:38:32 ◼ ► Not everyone is a musician Certainly not everyone is looking for an application to help them with their music creation [TS]
00:38:44 ◼ ► but musicians are willing to pay for things that help them make music better like especially if your application in [TS]
00:38:51 ◼ ► these types of cases replaces lots of other much more expensive equipment suddenly your ten dollar app seems like a [TS]
00:39:01 ◼ ► That is a very viable thing to do or even like a drying application not everyone needs an application like a car [TS]
00:39:10 ◼ ► and is that mass market was not as mass market is as an instant messaging app or even a podcast I think [TS]
00:39:17 ◼ ► but it's much more mass market than some very narrowly defined out they could maybe command hundred dollars [TS]
00:39:32 ◼ ► To us it seems like that's big like it seems like Oh that's the entire story because all we see the downy the topless. [TS]
00:39:37 ◼ ► It pisses us off because we think it's not like a sort of a a constructive an honorable way to make money [TS]
00:39:46 ◼ ► but I wonder how it compares to that middle ground of people selling applications like you know that charge money [TS]
00:40:04 ◼ ► and I I think our impression of the market is correct that it's mostly those people you know doing tons of dust because [TS]
00:40:13 ◼ ► They are they do dominate the topless but there's to be three applications with an apparatus and everything [TS]
00:40:18 ◼ ► but I hope that over time just like in the dotcom things I hope over time that that crazy frenzy getting many people's [TS]
00:40:30 ◼ ► and we will get a healthier kind of middle part of the market from people making applications [TS]
00:40:36 ◼ ► and selling them to people who actually want to pay money for software because in the end that's what you know this is [TS]
00:40:45 ◼ ► and we all continue to think that that is the thing that people are going to do because software provides value to be [TS]
00:40:50 ◼ ► true so you know even even though the free applications like people are paying for software that is paying for you know [TS]
00:40:58 ◼ ► virtual currency within software like they're paying they're not getting anything for like you [TS]
00:41:02 ◼ ► and I getting physical goods they're putting money in where the getting out is an experience. [TS]
00:41:09 ◼ ► or paying money to be able to tap the screen sooner than you could previously tap the screen like they're paying money [TS]
00:41:15 ◼ ► for essentially nothing. And even the big scary gross top end of the market shows that people are willing to do that. [TS]
00:41:24 ◼ ► and not outside the realm of possibility to get people to pay money for things that give them value in ways other than [TS]
00:41:33 ◼ ► I don't know if the equilibrium is but I think we're not what I'm saying is I think we're not there yet. [TS]
00:41:46 ◼ ► We're also sponsored this week by our friends at hover hover is the best way to buy a managed to main aims. [TS]
00:41:53 ◼ ► You know I had a few people on Twitter bother me about unless you weeks about how I pronounce hover How are you [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Right as I don't know if there is a new sprouts like it was fun to say however you know you're not. [TS]
00:42:05 ◼ ► However maybe if you emphasize the new sound over just keeps just keep saying over [TS]
00:42:10 ◼ ► and sign you pronounce something's weird like query instead of query but hover you get right. Yeah I don't. [TS]
00:42:17 ◼ ► I'm wondering what please listeners who criticize my pronunciation of cover please record an audio file of yourself [TS]
00:42:25 ◼ ► and send it to me because I honestly don't know how I'm supposed to be saying it differently than this cover is that [TS]
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00:42:35 ◼ ► tell you what her is is really good at. So first of all their interface is awesome. [TS]
00:42:41 ◼ ► It's nice it's clean it's quick to do things I've used many other registrars control panels before and hovers is. [TS]
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00:43:51 ◼ ► However includes things for free that other people make you pay for for example you get who is privacy on every domain [TS]
00:44:06 ◼ ► They also have this really cool service we had talked a little bit about last time called Valley transfers where if you [TS]
00:44:12 ◼ ► want to transfer a domain name into cover from another registrar you can do the normal way if you want to [TS]
00:44:17 ◼ ► but there's a very good chance when you transfer to me names that you're going to something up. Usually it's the N.S.A. [TS]
00:44:24 ◼ ► If you want to optional you hover will notice an all charge log in to your old record store you've given the [TS]
00:44:35 ◼ ► and you can often do this with a very large number of domain names I don't think you have too many because they'll [TS]
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00:45:12 ◼ ► and basically that's all you can tell you guys you guys you know this is about you can get so many demands these days [TS]
00:45:19 ◼ ► you can get them for here where you can get them for business you get them for your own personal site [TS]
00:45:23 ◼ ► or e-mail address you know if your blog is like something that wordpress dot com That doesn't look very good like you [TS]
00:45:28 ◼ ► know just get your own domain manage it manage your identity. There's tons of reasons to buy domain names these days. [TS]
00:45:39 ◼ ► and if you're going to buy ever you should buy or cover so thanks a lot to cover for sponsoring our show once again. [TS]
00:45:54 ◼ ► Also I'd like to add before anyone jumps on me that earlier today I notice that B.M.W. [TS]
00:46:06 ◼ ► and they replied to my tweet with the following. It says that Casey lift up B.M.W. Is being operated as a closed T.L.B. [TS]
00:46:18 ◼ ► For you and then they had a link to the actual registrar page which I thought was hysterical. [TS]
00:46:27 ◼ ► and their fans of ours too so you know they're good people who know how they're going to be if you like the show. [TS]
00:46:32 ◼ ► Let's move on to Tivo. Apparently there's been an update. They're still business. Who knew. [TS]
00:46:43 ◼ ► but they do like the sort of staged roll out I think I don't know how they determine the stages [TS]
00:46:49 ◼ ► But then with Evo I've been complaining for many years that a user interface is not as responsive that should be [TS]
00:46:54 ◼ ► especially after they went to high definition at first they didn't have their menu ing individuals in high definition [TS]
00:47:03 ◼ ► Then they added a high definition menu NG interface written in Flash and it was super duper slow and terrible [TS]
00:47:12 ◼ ► and that was the case until my current Tivo which the Tivo Romeo which has a much more responsive use interface much [TS]
00:47:23 ◼ ► There's still some standard def and use in there which is shameful in this late stage [TS]
00:47:26 ◼ ► but anyway least they made the main integrated use faster well so this update supposedly was going to make the older [TS]
00:47:34 ◼ ► Tivo does have the same interface as the most recent models look the same and it was supposedly much much faster [TS]
00:47:47 ◼ ► Couple days ago maybe someone in the chat room will know they stopped using Flash for their interface. So good on them. [TS]
00:48:03 ◼ ► and I can't believe me remember what the hell the name of the technology is not something you've heard of like a weird [TS]
00:48:08 ◼ ► name it's not swift always that's popping into my head because of language things maybe it started with an S. [TS]
00:48:13 ◼ ► but even the chat room knows what they're using instead of Flash because there was this big presentation from the Tivo [TS]
00:48:29 ◼ ► Performance and memory usage and also the stuff was interesting presentation that I of course read [TS]
00:48:35 ◼ ► and it's no where in any of my browser history there were no a search for a bottom line this update came I got it on my [TS]
00:48:41 ◼ ► Tivo for mayor that I moved up stairs when I got the duty of a room you're downstairs. [TS]
00:48:47 ◼ ► and it is way way faster it is not assessed it is as it is on the Romeos I feel like [TS]
00:48:51 ◼ ► but it is much faster so if you have an old Tivo for mayor it is no longer embarrassingly disgustingly slow if you have [TS]
00:48:58 ◼ ► the latest version of the software which is free updates every day so that's kind of good news like if you if you [TS]
00:49:07 ◼ ► or if you were holding off buying a used one because they're all slowing gross they've actually made their harbor [TS]
00:49:17 ◼ ► Really quickly before we move on to topics because we haven't gone on long enough follow up this is still fun. [TS]
00:49:27 ◼ ► or think this is me encouraging you to accomplish the review as quickly as possible. [TS]
00:49:33 ◼ ► Yeah so this weekend my wife was nice enough to take the kids out to do various activities [TS]
00:49:39 ◼ ► and I got a lot of stuff done which only serves to remind me how much more I have to do is like I feel all competition [TS]
00:49:44 ◼ ► I like a road an entire section a half my grade only like nine more to go just do that nine more times [TS]
00:49:50 ◼ ► when you look at the calendar and you think about the possibility of that when you know that. [TS]
00:49:56 ◼ ► OK On that happy note Mark or do you want to quickly talk. About the overcast update that is pending is that correct. [TS]
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00:53:45 ◼ ► I've been preparing the the one to update for a few weeks now it's been a little while and it's mostly bug fixes [TS]
00:53:51 ◼ ► and minor improvements and then a few days ago I got a notice in the apps or rejection center. [TS]
00:54:04 ◼ ► So I got a notice in the rejection Center saying upon reevaluation I hadn't even submit an update at this point they [TS]
00:54:11 ◼ ► are just out of the blue said upon revaluation we've decided that you're in violation of this rule seventeen point two [TS]
00:54:17 ◼ ► which means which is the rule that basically says you can't require an account based logons of personal information for [TS]
00:54:29 ◼ ► So I responded first of all saying well there really aren't any features in my abs that don't need the account the [TS]
00:54:34 ◼ ► entire app is account based and oh and they said you need to submit a bill that fixes this within two weeks [TS]
00:54:41 ◼ ► or a police officer or Basically they said it nicer but that's that's that's the gist of it. [TS]
00:54:46 ◼ ► I first responded you know with my thing saying well trying to trying to explain my way out of it. [TS]
00:54:51 ◼ ► The reason why I didn't explain all this was the reason why I didn't have a cow an account free option at the beginning [TS]
00:55:01 ◼ ► But the main reason why is that you think the situation where suppose somebody has a an anonymous account kind of like [TS]
00:55:10 ◼ ► on the back and so these anonymous accounts then they at some point they launch their i Pad [TS]
00:55:17 ◼ ► or whatever they launch a device and I don't see happen different vice and they see a logon screen [TS]
00:55:25 ◼ ► So they type in a username password they ignore the text in the box it says this account doesn't exist you want to [TS]
00:55:33 ◼ ► and they just click yes because most people do then they are presented with this newly created account that is blank [TS]
00:55:40 ◼ ► and then the e-mail me saying I can't believe you deleted all my stuff it's all gone. [TS]
00:55:50 ◼ ► I saw this happen so many hundreds to paper. This is how people actually behave. Trust me it's like this will happen. [TS]
00:56:02 ◼ ► Understandably because of so many things out there they don't remember what they made account for what they haven't. [TS]
00:56:07 ◼ ► They often will do it two different email addresses not not much I can do about that. [TS]
00:56:11 ◼ ► So I want to avoid this support issue of what do you do with you know with it with this kind of situation. [TS]
00:56:21 ◼ ► and I can I can explain to them Well you know you have this other account here if I can find it if I if I can figure [TS]
00:56:29 ◼ ► but you know you could try with support of the problem is most people won't even e-mail [TS]
00:56:33 ◼ ► and support those you'd assume that I'm a terrible person and an incompetent programmer I lost everything of theirs [TS]
00:56:40 ◼ ► They'll tell their friends how much it sucks or the poster of you are they going to refund from Apple. [TS]
00:56:50 ◼ ► So that's why I said you know let me just required at the beginning it was just the e-mail account you know no use [TS]
00:56:55 ◼ ► names that I even answer that part in the fact because I'm like no usernames necessary for this because you know I had [TS]
00:57:02 ◼ ► it with a taper first where it was at first you could enter anything for either name email [TS]
00:57:08 ◼ ► and I had the problem again of people would lock into device type in an email address [TS]
00:57:12 ◼ ► when they'd use the username before vice versa and create a new account by mistake and think everything was gone. [TS]
00:57:29 ◼ ► when we talk with I believe I said something like half of all people who downloaded it were actually creating accounts. [TS]
00:57:35 ◼ ► If I ever want to raise that rate I would have to add an option like this I was considering it [TS]
00:57:41 ◼ ► So anyway back to modern day Apple tells me a few days ago you have to do this within two weeks [TS]
00:57:47 ◼ ► and I explain my way out of it. Maybe but Apple doesn't respond quickly to those things. [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► There are two or three later they tell me we will schedule a call within three days and I have a two week deadline [TS]
00:58:06 ◼ ► and I'm sitting on this bug fix updates that I really need to get out there because there's one [TS]
00:58:10 ◼ ► or two fix some pretty important bugs and I'm thinking you know what this is too long. I can fight this now. [TS]
00:58:26 ◼ ► Furthermore if I do win this argument there's you know if I'm living on the edge of a rule I tell people this all the [TS]
00:58:37 ◼ ► or if I win this argument down convince them it's OK for me to not to require accounts now there is nothing [TS]
00:58:48 ◼ ► I will always be exempt from this rule and so I could at some point in the future. [TS]
00:58:55 ◼ ► and have to be held up in review because they're going to get there and get minute rule again. [TS]
00:59:00 ◼ ► It's a it's a terrible situation to try to always assume I'll be able to get around this rule. [TS]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and I still haven't heard back from them I decided you know what let me just I'll just do it you know I was I was on [TS]
00:59:15 ◼ ► You know it was like I was always totally against it and so I just want to minimize the issues [TS]
00:59:18 ◼ ► but like you know let me just do this I'll probably get more users and it'll be all right fine. [TS]
00:59:33 ◼ ► I submitted it today at noon it was approved today at eight P.M. Wow this is remarkable. [TS]
00:59:42 ◼ ► I assume that if you have one of these open issues and you're on your app which you know it's marked and i Tunes [TS]
00:59:48 ◼ ► and everything I assume that any update you submit gets bum to the front of Hugh because it's to fix that you know it's [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Earlier today to somebody on Twitter I think about it and Brianna Rue from giant space cat [TS]
01:00:12 ◼ ► when I first got this because I was like I was literally about to submit one or two then [TS]
01:00:22 ◼ ► All these bugs think it's going to delayed you know because I have to do this and test this [TS]
01:00:30 ◼ ► Review times recently have been about a week I think it was kind of a blessing in disguise that you know I had to do [TS]
01:00:37 ◼ ► this yes and that it's a better product for it for the most part. There are going to be supportive shoes. [TS]
01:01:01 ◼ ► when one of two would've been released if I submitted it at a normal time anyway so it's been a busy week it's been a [TS]
01:01:09 ◼ ► little bit of a stressful evening because I I didn't have enough time to test this and compare what you usually do [TS]
01:01:16 ◼ ► and I assume that I'd be able to test it during the app review process a little bit more [TS]
01:01:27 ◼ ► but it's nice to have that extra week of testing just in case I had eight hours of extra testing this time so. [TS]
01:01:35 ◼ ► But yeah that's that's what's going on. Anyway that's about it. But what else is new. [TS]
01:01:41 ◼ ► Someone in the chat room did find out what technology Tivo is using instead of flash it is called Ha which I'm going to [TS]
01:01:47 ◼ ► say is your hacks are hicks friends however it is open to international threats like a cross-platform toolkit. [TS]
01:02:01 ◼ ► and generate code for all sorts of other platforms as an open source thing anyway. [TS]
01:02:11 ◼ ► and there's an article also got in the show notes from Slash here talking about how distinct flash could mean that you [TS]
01:02:22 ◼ ► and I don't see how that wouldn't of Impossibles over their gross license interface are also saying by the way that he [TS]
01:02:33 ◼ ► Like you I kid dropped upon them they didn't want to make you a user interface in this like sort of you know mature [TS]
01:02:43 ◼ ► when done correctly make extremely perform because like want to Tivo it it's a bunch of text lists like the video part [TS]
01:02:49 ◼ ► of the video carpentering going through menus is just like big long scrolling lists of text with various options [TS]
01:03:08 ◼ ► or hacks is the end all of interface things I just I'm glad that my Tivo got faster. [TS]
01:03:19 ◼ ► I always well I want them I think this is part of the show I don't understand why that I mean I know I complain about [TS]
01:03:26 ◼ ► when I buy them I buy whatever the most expensive one is that they sell and I keep doing that year after year [TS]
01:03:36 ◼ ► but everything they should sponsor the show the strong Syracuse endorsement I buy this even though I hate it. [TS]
01:03:43 ◼ ► Well thanks what were three sponsors this week. Automatic Lynda dot com and hover and we will see you next week. [TS]
01:03:53 ◼ ► Now that's a downturn. John thank you for giving birth to a sister that the Iraqi government thing. [TS]
01:04:35 ◼ ► I got it well I actually looked it up in the dictionary just to make sure we're not all we're not it's. [TS]
01:04:59 ◼ ► It's the same little upside down E. Is that being the word other of or other. Yeah. [TS]
01:05:06 ◼ ► and send it to me of how they think I should be saying it where people use by people you mean like the three people who [TS]
01:05:14 ◼ ► or something because they have a tendency to pronounce things just completely wrong like Keisha instead of cash for [TS]
01:05:25 ◼ ► and we're going to go to like a debatable what is unaccented American English is there such a thing [TS]
01:05:33 ◼ ► Well there's like there's like the newscaster accent right it's the kind of kind of Midwestern kind of an average you [TS]
01:05:42 ◼ ► but that's just defined by the newscasters who were famous in those roles for a long time like the Dan Rather have the [TS]
01:05:56 ◼ ► or whatever like if you individual people from actual places in the country with X. [TS]
01:06:15 ◼ ► but like I mean there it's fine to have that because like talking about overcast it's always is it always going to be [TS]
01:06:20 ◼ ► fought because we've talked about overcast before therefore every time you talk about overcast again it is follow up [TS]
01:06:29 ◼ ► and the jury think liar thing it didn't emphasize that I think this was sent because I know a lot of people who like [TS]
01:06:35 ◼ ► one or two emails or tweets that thought we were trying to say that Jared's post was blaming Apple [TS]
01:06:40 ◼ ► and I listened back to the show but didn't actually say that but the the the word Jared and [TS]
01:06:48 ◼ ► and cause an approximate to how people could have made that mistake as I'm sure but it like it was [TS]
01:06:56 ◼ ► Anyway lots of posts about this whole app store stuff and a lot of them are looking for someone or something to blame. [TS]
01:07:05 ◼ ► And then there was Jared's poster not necessarily saying that Jared was trying to either because what he wrote in to [TS]
01:07:11 ◼ ► and this is the this is the magic writing technique that I try to use on myself and my children. [TS]
01:07:16 ◼ ► You learn your children now that show you the trick at my job and so you write something [TS]
01:07:21 ◼ ► and you think you've said what you want to say but then people who read it like misinterpreted or whatever [TS]
01:07:27 ◼ ► and then you you know that the next task is explained to someone who is misunderstanding what you wrote explain what [TS]
01:07:34 ◼ ► you actually meant. Right and when you do that then you say why and just read that in the first place. [TS]
01:07:41 ◼ ► but this little introductory thing of saying here's why here's why I wrote this it was you know Brent said this lot of [TS]
01:07:52 ◼ ► Actually I'm not a good example of that because here is why I need that in the post it's in there. [TS]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Read what you wrote instilled an understanding and explain it again like more clearly. [TS]
01:08:05 ◼ ► You know emphasizing the parts that they're getting wrong that makes for stronger writing so in the same way as I get [TS]
01:08:15 ◼ ► Doing is exercising doing it all before you actually publish anything useful like a you know one [TS]
01:08:25 ◼ ► or someone else's I don't write anything just explain to me what you want to say and a lot of people can do that. [TS]
01:08:32 ◼ ► If you just write down everything they say during that part put in front of them you say or type this I just. [TS]
01:08:42 ◼ ► Tell me that I shouldn't sell my privacy slash soul to get symmetric fire service so what are they asking you to do [TS]
01:08:52 ◼ ► I'm not clear what you have to give up so I know you have a child on the way so that's what you have been spending so [TS]
01:08:59 ◼ ► much damn time on Babies R Us dot com Now they know you have a child so they wanted your first born. [TS]
01:09:18 ◼ ► or I don't I think the title match I remember the title that movie feels I think get it while they're doing that I [TS]
01:09:31 ◼ ► but I'm looking at so there's a link that I put in the chat that's a public link where it doesn't really say anything [TS]
01:09:39 ◼ ► about getting increased speed but behind my private page relate my account information. [TS]
01:09:50 ◼ ► Great news you're eligible for and upload speed to equal your current download speed at no additional cost to you. [TS]
01:09:56 ◼ ► Simply click here and Roland are my rewards Plus program it's easy and free. Just. [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Our way of thanking you for being a well rising customer faster upward speeds means better sharing experiences. [TS]
01:10:08 ◼ ► and you get seventy four I would have seventy five seventy five instead of seventy five thirty five. [TS]
01:10:17 ◼ ► That's the thing is it's unclear to me what exactly they're doing particularly Snoop your stuff right. [TS]
01:10:24 ◼ ► But is it is this is what they're going to start sending you a gift card crap promos [TS]
01:10:28 ◼ ► and stuff like that I mean I think because I already get spam from horizon in the mail almost every day trying to grade [TS]
01:10:42 ◼ ► and I called them like there's no way to opt out of this is no way to get them to stop bugging me. [TS]
01:10:47 ◼ ► I would imagine they're probably already doing creepy things like selling my information to Starbucks [TS]
01:10:51 ◼ ► and everything else like I think that's actually exactly what they're doing because it's talking about all these [TS]
01:10:56 ◼ ► particular vendors like Target an Exxon Mobile and Amazon and Dunkin Donuts and Starbucks and Panera Bread [TS]
01:11:05 ◼ ► but so they're saying apparently this is a system where you gather points to do something [TS]
01:11:10 ◼ ► and the way you can gather points is to like them on Facebook to go to their Web site to refer for [TS]
01:11:20 ◼ ► and that's a renter by on demand movie I mean so what is this you know you can usually I don't know the specifics of [TS]
01:11:35 ◼ ► and then use it in such a way that you don't have any interaction with them I'm really close to not having any [TS]
01:11:40 ◼ ► interaction with Verizon at all because I don't have any of their boxes I don't use their router I don't have video on [TS]
01:11:46 ◼ ► demand like all the services they want to sell me everything I don't see the only one they still got me on assisted the [TS]
01:11:54 ◼ ► or Something you don't get a good Geo IP routing you know Google says you're supposed to in practice is shown me that [TS]
01:12:07 ◼ ► or I should be pulling it from aka my across the river and I'm not visiting some someplace else so I can't entirely [TS]
01:12:15 ◼ ► Give them an inch like you type in the wrong you around you get some big stupid advertising parkade [TS]
01:12:26 ◼ ► and you did a similar scenario where you got rid of everything didn't have any boxes didn't use the router didn't use [TS]
01:12:37 ◼ ► or he believe me they're already selling every ounce of your information to somebody like they're horrible company like [TS]
01:12:46 ◼ ► but everybody sells all your rights like any information you give them of course they're selling it to everybody it's [TS]
01:12:51 ◼ ► like there's no more giving away of your information that they could be doing they're already doing as hard as they can [TS]
01:12:56 ◼ ► so unless they can make you interact like oh if you take the survey to tell me what you thought of the detergent brand [TS]
01:13:01 ◼ ► unless they have some way to get you like you'll be using your computer all the sudden you go to a site instead of [TS]
01:13:06 ◼ ► going to the site you see the stupid survey that comes up they want you to rank the movies you've seen recently some [TS]
01:13:16 ◼ ► and find out because downgrading Firman to getting rid of it is probably a super pain to my rewards plus points are [TS]
01:13:27 ◼ ► This includes options such as use the My Fire Brigade should trademark app connect to us through Facebook. [TS]
01:13:40 ◼ ► or buy a fire with trademark on demand movie oh my God these are some I cannot decide which of these things to start [TS]
01:13:49 ◼ ► Also you know you don't have to do any of those like that's kind of like the free light free antivirus software I get [TS]
01:13:54 ◼ ► as part of my thing a free on line backup like Joe I just never do those ever look. [TS]
01:14:00 ◼ ► So if you never do any of those things you never liked on Facebook you never download their app never download their [TS]
01:14:06 ◼ ► and say hey I've noticed you've had the service for seven years that I've never downloaded a free online [TS]
01:14:10 ◼ ► but I don't so I think it's good that you noticed that whatever life there are always going to spam you there really [TS]
01:14:21 ◼ ► But I don't think they can make you do anything unless I start getting interested like the D.N.I. [TS]
01:14:24 ◼ ► Thing is literally interest like you mistype your own you're look at a bunch of writing crap that is intrusive which is [TS]
01:14:33 ◼ ► I suppose now I mean it seems to me like dirty snooping everything anyway I'm ready [TS]
01:14:41 ◼ ► but I need you guys are supposed to convince me not to do this you know it's most going to be do it well. [TS]
01:14:45 ◼ ► When they announced these plans a few weeks ago they said they would be rolled out automatically for free. [TS]
01:14:51 ◼ ► That's not true now that see if they're actually requiring this. Then that was B.S. [TS]
01:15:02 ◼ ► Is so surprising however that was if if this is indeed what's required to get this that is complete B.S. [TS]
01:15:11 ◼ ► By the way the movie was a cry in the dark one hundred eighty eight starring Meryl Streep that isn't originally like a [TS]
01:15:36 ◼ ► Where in the post office sells your information to everyone else and you move even in their one direction anyway. [TS]
01:15:42 ◼ ► Fun stuff and I never have enough going to want to titles the sprung part is pretty good. [TS]
01:15:49 ◼ ► Some of the show is about to leave the whales the whale says more about the show is about than perhaps well I'm biased [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Just like it or like something or making up I think it's a funny concept to somehow combine flails and fleas. [TS]
01:16:20 ◼ ► It's definitely like you know it got it started in businesses that don't respect people for sure as anything a variety. [TS]
01:16:32 ◼ ► and all these stupid free to play games that try to abuse people's psychology to pay them more money. [TS]
01:16:41 ◼ ► Well it's not that it's disrespectful if anything is disrespectful to the people who aren't well because it's like none [TS]
01:16:49 ◼ ► and so the I mean please for casinos these five high rollers get everything right and everyone else. [TS]
01:16:54 ◼ ► You don't matter because the bottom line is we know it was our money from these very high rollers not five people who [TS]
01:16:59 ◼ ► were never like such a small and everyone else is just there kind of like to fill seats right. [TS]
01:17:15 ◼ ► and tell them that they're whales because then they would feel like wait a second you know what this means is that my [TS]
01:17:23 ◼ ► I mean especially with gambling it's like you know maybe that's like they understand that like they know [TS]
01:17:29 ◼ ► when they go to Las Vegas with two million dollars and come back with zero dollars. They had a good time. [TS]
01:17:34 ◼ ► That's worth two million dollars them whatever I don't I don't understand what they're thinking. [TS]
01:17:38 ◼ ► But anyway the single whales probably worse because I feel like playing these games [TS]
01:17:55 ◼ ► and you're never going to become a millionaire playing candy crush. So it's like a zero percent versus point. [TS]
01:18:04 ◼ ► You get some excitement even if you know when you feel like during that period of time [TS]
01:18:08 ◼ ► when I last there was a chance I could have won and that was exciting and I paid for that. I don't I don't gamble. [TS]
01:18:22 ◼ ► You guys are watching left overs Never mind I can't. I would do with that style of give. [TS]
01:18:29 ◼ ► There was a silly gambling sequence where someone goes to rely on the time read three times in a row [TS]
01:18:36 ◼ ► and those type of odds I can figure out like pence on paper and fractions like a ferret. [TS]
01:18:44 ◼ ► Did he say it will land on red three times in a row and then make that the day it was there were pigeons involved [TS]
01:18:57 ◼ ► but the whole point is like you know so he doubled his money and that you know the next time it comes around. [TS]
01:19:07 ◼ ► and just do that several times you can you know the math through the magic of doubling if you keep winning [TS]
01:19:21 ◼ ► Or I mean they went and then you know had to sit there and do anything that's skill based or complicated [TS]
01:19:28 ◼ ► So your goal with this activity that most people do for entertainment value would be to get it over with quickly as [TS]
01:19:36 ◼ ► Well so the whole thing like people go to Vegas like I'm going to Vegas like five hundred dollars [TS]
01:19:39 ◼ ► and like I don't care if I come on the zero five hundred dollars my entertainment budget which is the way the way you [TS]
01:19:43 ◼ ► should do it if you're not addicted to gambling right you just go there you say there's a lot of money. [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► or poker any of these games like you don't enjoy the actual playing of the game you get the part over really fast for [TS]
01:20:08 ◼ ► and then you enter your last if you won you leave if you lost you didn't if you're ducking like five minutes thinking [TS]
01:20:20 ◼ ► Oh yes I love that you're out of my thing for looks and the fun as quickly as possible [TS]
01:20:24 ◼ ► but it's not fun like a slave is no fun to be had if you don't like playing blackjack [TS]
01:20:27 ◼ ► or you don't like sitting in a bar if you don't like playing poker if you don't like any of the things that's not the [TS]
01:20:31 ◼ ► fun part the only fun part is the brief moment when you might win or when you might gain money [TS]
01:20:36 ◼ ► or lose money you get it over with really quickly like well I won yeah I'm happy Well I lost no I didn't [TS]
01:20:43 ◼ ► Want to just do it online save yourself a flight that's true although on line gambling is illegal in the US So you know [TS]
01:20:50 ◼ ► to do one of those offshore things and it's really pain to get money out of those things. [TS]
01:20:54 ◼ ► How do you know I was the same not to you would know I work for an online gaming company many years ago we didn't take [TS]
01:21:06 ◼ ► Yeah well I mean the the actual servers were an Indian reservation in Canada as they have to be blah blah blah. [TS]
01:21:16 ◼ ► But yeah now that we were we were crushed by competitors who took us play because they were based in the Bahamas [TS]
01:21:24 ◼ ► Because people united states surprise want to gamble online and if you don't take their business someone else will [TS]
01:21:28 ◼ ► and that someone else will get much bigger faster than you so you don't realize you worked in the gaming market as well [TS]
01:21:38 ◼ ► or Native American casinos whatever the you know the slot machine things right always being go [TS]
01:21:44 ◼ ► but we had reels on the machine so you thought you were playing a slot machine but really you're playing bingo [TS]
01:21:50 ◼ ► and plan on pragmatic right about how like it was either that or debug one of the other. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► How do you have like this type of giving with a loudness to beginning wasn't allowed so you did something that was [TS]
01:22:04 ◼ ► technically allowed even though it looked like a slot machine right current and you know it wasn't a skill game [TS]
01:22:11 ◼ ► and so poker blackjack etc were considered skill games I don't know why a straight up slot machine wasn't allowed I [TS]
01:22:20 ◼ ► and so the bingo was strictly speaking multiplayer so all these all these stops machines had like some sort of T.C.P. [TS]
01:22:27 ◼ ► Networking that we're going to I think a Windows server that would issue the bingo cards [TS]
01:22:48 ◼ ► Not really sure payment really drudgery to describe the tweet sequence Marca. So Patrick Thornton P.W. [TS]
01:22:55 ◼ ► Thornton on Twitter said also you talk about how the way you quietly became the next gen system with by far the best [TS]
01:23:02 ◼ ► games I replied saying could be the topic that we use the only next generation system. [TS]
01:23:12 ◼ ► Basically you know I mostly with everyone raving about how good Mario Kart is the only next gen system that I know that [TS]
01:23:22 ◼ ► However I still haven't bought one because I keep reminding myself that I will probably never actually play it in [TS]
01:23:39 ◼ ► Yes that we does have some games that are reviewed well that people like but it doesn't change how many we use [TS]
01:23:45 ◼ ► when the market does not change the cat the size of the game catalog does not change the pipeline of upcoming where you [TS]
01:23:51 ◼ ► came to not change the fact that pretty much every anticipated or currently popular AAA title is A over. P.C. X. [TS]
01:24:03 ◼ ► and it has a small install base like all these things. They'll continue to be true. [TS]
01:24:09 ◼ ► As I was going to work cut out for it it's that that's why I thought this was like who the people are surprised to [TS]
01:24:14 ◼ ► learn that the third place game console that nobody wants. Has some good games of course I mean it. [TS]
01:24:26 ◼ ► when the news comes out of the way you I fully expect that it will be highly satisfying to rabid Zelda fans like myself. [TS]
01:24:33 ◼ ► I doesn't make the system more successful that doesn't make it all usually by well you know because at least three good [TS]
01:24:40 ◼ ► and people play it was nothing I really want to play in the Playstation four I don't have a Playstation four yet either [TS]
01:24:45 ◼ ► because there's nothing I really want to play on it but I know that the games pipeline [TS]
01:24:52 ◼ ► and has exciting things in it including a game that I've been waiting for for seven years which may never be released. [TS]
01:25:04 ◼ ► So I do have a you I don't know Playstation four but over the long haul in this generation and last intended [TS]
01:25:10 ◼ ► or something drastic to turn it around they're going to continue to not get the popular AAA games and every year [TS]
01:25:15 ◼ ► or two they're going to come out with one or two gems because they're really good at making games [TS]
01:25:20 ◼ ► and say Mike Yeah I mean I kind of felt like like the reason why the way you seem interesting to me is not because it's [TS]
01:25:35 ◼ ► and you know if I wanted to academically by the best game system I'd probably buy the P S four. [TS]
01:25:46 ◼ ► and so all the games that are not there are coming out that are big blockbusters that are not going to be available in [TS]
01:25:51 ◼ ► the way you are very likely to games I'm not going to play anyway or not care about anyway. [TS]
01:26:03 ◼ ► I'm probably not even involved enough to only you and probably play Mario Kart for a few days [TS]
01:26:09 ◼ ► Robot ever for another few days and I never thought never looked up again so that's why I'm not going to get it [TS]
01:26:15 ◼ ► but if you don't hear anybody talking about the great games on the P S four or the X. Box one. [TS]
01:26:31 ◼ ► but that is a really highly anticipated sure to be almost certainly going to be popular game if you don't read about [TS]
01:26:40 ◼ ► or because you're not writing game console gamer like early in any consuls life the launch games are usually crap [TS]
01:26:48 ◼ ► and then it takes a while for things to get up to speed and then wanted to gems come in [TS]
01:26:51 ◼ ► and this is actually a nice generation in that the indie game is very quickly like you got any reports of games they've [TS]
01:26:57 ◼ ► already knew were good that you burble there are now they'll win the consul's because they all have online stores [TS]
01:27:02 ◼ ► and a couple of the post-launch games haven't been that bad but like a console generation it's [TS]
01:27:13 ◼ ► and the upcoming game releases all the good all highly anticipated by people who like Playstation four [TS]
01:27:27 ◼ ► They said they had their installed base is ten million now it's pretty good. The future is good right. [TS]
01:27:32 ◼ ► It's been out for nine months ten million roughly a million a month that it's growing it's selling faster than the P S [TS]
01:27:39 ◼ ► three did it just not that much of a field because the P S three was like six hundred bucks and had a slow start [TS]
01:27:44 ◼ ► but you know they're doing well. And Tendo is not selling a million we use them. Now I want to try Mario Kart. [TS]
01:27:51 ◼ ► We you whatever it's called the American Art bubble that is still better and they're in play that [TS]
01:28:04 ◼ ► Yeah yeah it is interesting I think that I think of both of you gun and tender land [TS]
01:28:09 ◼ ► and played through all the things you would have game experiences that you had never had before [TS]
01:28:14 ◼ ► and ten don't land that's the thing that like has a bunch of mini games that show different mechanics for the [TS]
01:28:20 ◼ ► It's a good demo of like here's all the things you can do with this crazy stupid tablet game pad thing that we gave you [TS]
01:28:26 ◼ ► and you can do lots of interesting things things that you have not done and i O. S. [TS]
01:28:31 ◼ ► and some of them had to have sustainable value like my my son's friends come over they still play the Metroid blast [TS]
01:28:41 ◼ ► but they love it they love the you know the asymmetrical play where one person has to be to ship the other people [TS]
01:28:47 ◼ ► or they get to be the people and they can you know that the ship sees a different perspective [TS]
01:28:52 ◼ ► and they're all honest you know it it's not these are all flight games and you know there are many games [TS]
01:29:00 ◼ ► but if you're not interested in an academic sense of like oh your new gaming experiences like you know kind of like of [TS]
01:29:05 ◼ ► the R.M. I like when you want to try that when she want to try the Oculus Rift just to see what it's like. [TS]
01:29:11 ◼ ► but that's not something like OK well now that I've seen what's possible do I want to keep you guys just aren't gamers [TS]
01:29:17 ◼ ► feel I do have one stuff goes through my sort of back catalogue of must play games that you can already play maybe I'll [TS]
01:29:22 ◼ ► recommend a game and then you have to buy one because you'll need to play something out of it right now. [TS]
01:29:30 ◼ ► It's extremely well done game I have some complaints about it I think that we're driving double dash was still better [TS]
01:29:44 ◼ ► and they've gotten much difference in centers of business in the end we was pretty good. [TS]
01:29:48 ◼ ► I mean basically the same though the driving has gotten feels very different than it is in the [TS]
01:29:54 ◼ ► and the graphics are just like you know obviously phenomenally better because I was a million years ago. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► But in the end you're driving around on carts getting little presents shooting shells at people [TS]
01:30:10 ◼ ► How can how much can it possibly change to go around courses in the person who gets there first wins. [TS]
01:30:21 ◼ ► but still I mean it's a pretty similar concept every time is a not so veiled is a is a more broad concept because like [TS]
01:30:30 ◼ ► it's raising is just you know you go around a circuit in the furthest I first went [TS]
01:30:38 ◼ ► and the narratives like they all have a similar structure. Just you know a bad guy a good guy. Battle against evil. [TS]
01:30:46 ◼ ► But there's different characters involved different events take place in a need to delve that they try to come up with [TS]
01:30:49 ◼ ► some new gameplay mechanic that you know uses the controller whether it's swing in the little wee moat around to use [TS]
01:30:55 ◼ ► your sword or riding on a horse or travelling by boat you know and different different combat systems [TS]
01:31:03 ◼ ► and so in the overall yeah you're playing through some story of the some fight against evil in the end you win [TS]
01:31:10 ◼ ► but in that range is much more than you can do you know make sense playing one playing one awake [TS]
01:31:19 ◼ ► and so they all the same thing they have done did you get a weapon uses a weapon to defeat the boss at the end of the [TS]
01:31:27 ◼ ► The experience of playing the suit games feels very different they look entirely different they feel different. [TS]
01:31:35 ◼ ► and of course various Marlice looks the same it's not like in one you know they can add motorcycles [TS]
01:31:41 ◼ ► but it's like wheeled vehicles you know they can make a high wipeout it would still be America like you're still [TS]
01:31:48 ◼ ► and then this upcoming Zelda game supposedly is going to finally throw away a lot of the conventions they've been [TS]
01:31:53 ◼ ► leaning on soldering of time to actually change the gameplay so that if you did a graphic on a white board it would [TS]
01:32:01 ◼ ► and it's not done in weapon you can go to anything anytime you are presumably the old version of. So that way you can. [TS]
01:32:08 ◼ ► If you discover it you can go do it even if you're not ready for the needle to get killed anywhere we not run terribly [TS]
01:32:12 ◼ ► sure but the result is going to be like but they have said they're going to break some conventions. [TS]
01:32:19 ◼ ► Roughly one is that oh I don't know like twenty fifteen twenty sixteen somewhere they could just make it require like a [TS]
01:32:29 ◼ ► but yeah I mean let's talk about you know what if you just felt a small number of people who are willing to play money. [TS]
01:32:34 ◼ ► Yeah I wonder about like when he couldn't make a pitch to someone who's only aim for three hundred dollars. [TS]