00:00:02 ◼ ► I haven't heard it yet so I don't have any complaints that might be the most Johnson [TS]
00:00:09 ◼ ► or two something I've ever heard and I've said that phrase more than once in my life. [TS]
00:00:17 ◼ ► I haven't heard it yet so I don't have any complaints I don't even know where to go from here. [TS]
00:00:27 ◼ ► and that begins with an image of a lightning cable with the reversible U.S.B. Connector. John Munch Tell me about this. [TS]
00:00:38 ◼ ► but it's talking about is a cable that you have now that you used to connect to your Lightning connector enabled I.O.'s [TS]
00:00:46 ◼ ► device so it's got a little tiny connector one and it's got a regular plain old big fat U.S.B. [TS]
00:01:01 ◼ ► Connector head on it's like there's an empty part and a part filled of plastic sort of [TS]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and this sort of takes the empty part draws a line to the center of the connector and then flipped it. [TS]
00:01:11 ◼ ► So now there's an empty part on top I'm departing dollar bottom a plastic part of the middle [TS]
00:01:20 ◼ ► For a couple years I think I've seen these how long have these things going around of us in them before never seen it I [TS]
00:01:25 ◼ ► hadn't seen it before this but someone did point out quickly after this article came out [TS]
00:01:29 ◼ ► and some other company actually has a patent on it and then they already sell cables like this. [TS]
00:01:34 ◼ ► Yeah it was I think the reason I saw it was like back on hypercritical so long ago when I was talking about the U.S.B. [TS]
00:01:42 ◼ ► but internally asymmetrical everybody Simulink So look at this company selling these things that are externally [TS]
00:01:50 ◼ ► So anyway the rumor is that Apple's going to dob to one of those I don't know how much credence to give this this rumor [TS]
00:01:56 ◼ ► but when I think about it I'm wondering like. Will this make Will this make people's lives easier. [TS]
00:02:06 ◼ ► but if you have a collection of wires in your house some of them are reverse order and some of them aren't. [TS]
00:02:12 ◼ ► I'm thinking it will probably still make things better especially if they put the logo on both sides of the reversible [TS]
00:02:16 ◼ ► one for us for people don't know the Apple code for figuring out how to put your U.S.B. [TS]
00:02:23 ◼ ► Good luck Is it a little logo faces up right and so they only put the logo on one side of the U.S.B. [TS]
00:02:34 ◼ ► and be reassured Apple people will be reassured that they're putting in the right way [TS]
00:02:38 ◼ ► and it just so happens that there's a logo on both sides you know they were both wise [TS]
00:02:41 ◼ ► and spent the last few years building up an immunity imperiled it'll work out good for everybody. [TS]
00:02:46 ◼ ► He biased both got that can I get one if I get one that you both got not just not as funny. OK I got it all right. [TS]
00:02:53 ◼ ► Anyway I think I can I think the average experience the average frustration experience will improve with this Now that [TS]
00:02:59 ◼ ► said Is Apple going to do this they're going to pay for whatever stupid patent is on this. [TS]
00:03:08 ◼ ► but I am cautiously optimistic about this if it does come to past I think I have to give it a tentative thumbs up which [TS]
00:03:16 ◼ ► at this point it's not as high praise as you could give or would I would rather have that cool reversible U.S.B. [TS]
00:03:26 ◼ ► and you know honestly I keep looking to the sides those MacBook it's like wow now that now that the Internet is gone [TS]
00:03:38 ◼ ► and two quick comments on this new connector one in this new old US be reversed because your one is that I think it is [TS]
00:03:47 ◼ ► and be reversible because I have to imagine that many many conditions in many cases possibly the majority. [TS]
00:03:54 ◼ ► I've been a lot of people leave that end of the cable plugged in pretty much all the time and they just have the. [TS]
00:04:02 ◼ ► and you connect the phone so if you for example if you have a charger that's always bought into the same spot on the [TS]
00:04:07 ◼ ► same wall and you just have the cable down in there and now you put the phone into that [TS]
00:04:10 ◼ ► or if you have a desktop computer or if you have a laptop doctor the same place every day [TS]
00:04:17 ◼ ► and is open you know so it's a little bit less important although certainly if you can get it there it's better the [TS]
00:04:24 ◼ ► other thing is if you look at this connector if you look at those pictures that that are in this article about you know [TS]
00:04:30 ◼ ► It looks like the way they did this was to leave less space for you know the part on the computer [TS]
00:04:39 ◼ ► and that slides in to this enclosure so the like it is like the part they cut out to make the second side of the plug. [TS]
00:04:49 ◼ ► Like they didn't it's it isn't the same size as the full size cutout on a one sided plug [TS]
00:04:54 ◼ ► and so I fear that if you did this I don't know how the port is constructed I assume there are springy pins on the [TS]
00:05:00 ◼ ► computer side of it that press against these terminals in here not the whole white thing [TS]
00:05:06 ◼ ► I don't know if it's that that's a rigid it might actually might actually move I have no idea how this connector is [TS]
00:05:11 ◼ ► made presumably like since it's Since this is an actual product in the market presumably it fits in all standard ports [TS]
00:05:25 ◼ ► Right because she my concern would be that if it's rigid which it had probably is I don't I think making a move would [TS]
00:05:32 ◼ ► be problematic if it's rigid then it looks like it might compress the spring pins in the port significantly more than a [TS]
00:05:42 ◼ ► and possibly like loosen them up a little bit so that regular plugs might not work as well in that same port in the [TS]
00:05:48 ◼ ► Yeah if Apple puts out presumably they will test it to death with every single one of their products [TS]
00:06:00 ◼ ► After And just wait until the reversal U.S.B. Plug is official is an official thing. [TS]
00:06:07 ◼ ► That needs and then just move to that on other computers and call the problems off [TS]
00:06:14 ◼ ► Yeah Sawyer that I know I have no way to rate this rumor is just some random thing in the picture tells you nothing so [TS]
00:06:22 ◼ ► So speaking of lightning cables friend of the show Daniel jacket was sharing with us amongst others some shots of his [TS]
00:06:34 ◼ ► and how it's always framing what is the little sleeve there the cuff there I was forget the name isn't rain relief. [TS]
00:06:45 ◼ ► and split it seems like it's more of a strain to lay a cuff just move the string up the cable by a half inch [TS]
00:06:54 ◼ ► Strain concentrator was the term Some people use the I think maybe after drying my daughter [TS]
00:07:05 ◼ ► It's a lightning cable just underneath the strain relief the plastic that surround the wire is split open. [TS]
00:07:09 ◼ ► Tons of people tweeted pictures of their own cables all split in the exact same spot. [TS]
00:07:15 ◼ ► Like I mean obviously this is not a representative sample in the sense one person sees someone else's picture they say [TS]
00:07:26 ◼ ► and one of the interesting theories I saw from somebody was that this might have to do is aside from just a bad strain [TS]
00:07:32 ◼ ► really design might have to do with all of the harmful chemicals that Apple has been trying to take out of its [TS]
00:07:41 ◼ ► when they tried to remove lead from all their solder joints which has the potential to make the solder joints weaker [TS]
00:07:52 ◼ ► and paste sometime later in the show that they used to use for the plastics that made them sort of more resilient [TS]
00:08:06 ◼ ► and it was like a transition period where the headphones felt like some of the terracing P.V.C. [TS]
00:08:13 ◼ ► and like that you take them a while to figure out like we could use what everyone else uses that makes the best product [TS]
00:08:17 ◼ ► but if it's environmentally unfriendly we had to figure out a way to do it without that chemical. [TS]
00:08:21 ◼ ► So that's one possible theory the other theory that you know the bad strain relief that it's not actually gradually [TS]
00:08:27 ◼ ► decreasing the strain of the bin but rather saying OK well the part of the sleeve isn't going to bend at all [TS]
00:08:31 ◼ ► and will concentrate all the bending right after it and that's where your thing will split. [TS]
00:08:39 ◼ ► and I can't remember not one lightning cable that I've had that has broken in any way. [TS]
00:08:48 ◼ ► I have a handful of first party ones I have a couple of Amazon once I don't really care for because the lightning end [TS]
00:08:58 ◼ ► and not a one of probably ten lightning cables that I have has frayed in any herb or split [TS]
00:09:05 ◼ ► or what have you in any of these ways and I don't know if maybe it's because I have so many [TS]
00:09:16 ◼ ► I don't know if I treat them better I doubt that I sincerely doubt that I don't know what it is maybe I just got the [TS]
00:09:24 ◼ ► but I don't have this problem I did with a thirty pin connector I tore through almost all my thirty can connectors [TS]
00:09:29 ◼ ► but I have not had an issue with lightning cable thus far and so I'm sure on the weirdo not everyone else [TS]
00:09:39 ◼ ► Usage definitely is a factor because I have never broken a thirty pane connector or a lightning connector like [TS]
00:09:46 ◼ ► and you know I had tons of they're all over the house they're still all here right. [TS]
00:09:52 ◼ ► and I'm not like I've had too many cables for this to be like I just got lucky and it never got one that failed [TS]
00:10:02 ◼ ► but that's not to say that it's these people's fault because it's clear that people are going to use these devices in a [TS]
00:10:08 ◼ ► way that breaks them and it's Apple's job to make sure they don't break when people use them the way they use them. [TS]
00:10:14 ◼ ► What are those people doing differently than I am doing probably pulling them out by the cable. Like that's my guess. [TS]
00:10:20 ◼ ► I do that I do that all the time now pulling them out on an angle like you know I baby my hardware early on so it most [TS]
00:10:28 ◼ ► and so you know it's not again this is not these people's fault as Apple's You help to make a product that withstand [TS]
00:10:35 ◼ ► and the lighting cable seem to have a weakness for Normally all these people are abusing their all these people are [TS]
00:10:41 ◼ ► or children yanking them out it's just that they are not you know carefully pulling the connector out exactly [TS]
00:10:47 ◼ ► and all this crazy crap that people who are you know you know because of the hardware do so I think this is something [TS]
00:10:55 ◼ ► and I really hope it's not another one of the situations where it's like you know we could make a more robust strain [TS]
00:11:00 ◼ ► relief but that would require those little ribs originals are ugly and it looks so nice [TS]
00:11:04 ◼ ► when we just have a little sleeve smooth and it's only a little bit wider than the cable. [TS]
00:11:15 ◼ ► and letter are saying if you have a busted lighting cable that you just used in a normal way [TS]
00:11:20 ◼ ► but broke there is some chance that you could go into an Apple store and just get a new one for free. [TS]
00:11:27 ◼ ► Some people said I had to make a Genius Bar appointment maybe just look sympathetic and are nice [TS]
00:11:33 ◼ ► and I've really just been using it normally in a sting Broca's any chance you can get me a new cable bubble bloggers [TS]
00:11:40 ◼ ► You know one of the thirty bucks twenty I still feel like that's way high for for you know. [TS]
00:11:47 ◼ ► Anyway the point is occasional I don't think this is an apple policy it's not like it's like a warranty with a replace [TS]
00:11:53 ◼ ► them forever when they're broken it's not like an L Being type thing but if you were nice [TS]
00:11:57 ◼ ► and you talk to some of the Genius Bar on the. One maybe you get a new connector in this. [TS]
00:12:02 ◼ ► I tell everybody this is like the situation where it's not like you can guarantee them they're going to get nice free [TS]
00:12:09 ◼ ► stuff from Apple. Maybe they will maybe they won't but enough people do that you say it's worth a try. [TS]
00:12:17 ◼ ► and I swear I may do a new cable if you don't don't be all angry that I read on the internet I'm supposed to get a new [TS]
00:12:36 ◼ ► Last week we talked about where the springy bits on the cable where the parts that we just talked about this week where [TS]
00:12:43 ◼ ► and cable is easier to replace than than the thing that the connector inside your phone or your computer or whatever [TS]
00:12:49 ◼ ► and a lot of people pointed out in reaction to the last show that there is one very popular kind of connector where the [TS]
00:12:57 ◼ ► and that's the regular headphone jack one of that market you know eighth inch they called you think T.R.S. [TS]
00:13:07 ◼ ► but presumably somebody does because Marco tip ring sleave it's you know like the segments on the plug to bring sleeve [TS]
00:13:14 ◼ ► and then tip ring ring sleeve is the one that has the extra pin for the headphone thing for the clicker. [TS]
00:13:19 ◼ ► So it doesn't want to contact them as a ring entering and then what is the sleeve party at the bottom part [TS]
00:13:29 ◼ ► and yet it's how many you know tempering sleeve has three conductors left right and ground shared [TS]
00:13:34 ◼ ► and then differing rings leave has a left right ground here in the remote doesn't it seem like both of the rings are [TS]
00:13:42 ◼ ► Anyway whatever semantics so that connectors been around forever obviously maybe not so obviously you might say well [TS]
00:13:49 ◼ ► it's been around forever that has a springy bit inside behavior obviously putting a spring inside the connector is not [TS]
00:13:54 ◼ ► but then the counter to that is well how many people have a headphone jack on some device they've had. [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► For a long time that's wanking now like that doesn't someone get a twist a little connector inside it sometimes it [TS]
00:14:10 ◼ ► and declare MacBook Pro where you've plugged a headphone jack your headphone set into it just a handful of times [TS]
00:14:17 ◼ ► and then the sensor or something got stuck between that in the infra red line out there may be fine [TS]
00:14:27 ◼ ► The optical line in any way to the point is I had to get a motherboard replaced in order to get that fixed. [TS]
00:14:33 ◼ ► Thankfully under warranty because something inside the headphone connector got totally out of whack [TS]
00:14:42 ◼ ► or via the system speakers in my experience the apple headphone jacks are very very stiff like if they're going to get [TS]
00:14:55 ◼ ► when you plug especially if you plug an apple headphone jack into an Apple i was device that is a little quick [TS]
00:15:06 ◼ ► but especially with devices like the ticking time bomb in every I was devices the batteries eventually the batteries [TS]
00:15:17 ◼ ► but then by that point it would be like me taking my second gentle touch and go Well the battery in my second [TS]
00:15:22 ◼ ► and i Pod touch is fried I think I'd replace Ron you know dollars but then what do I have I have a second [TS]
00:15:27 ◼ ► and i Pod Touch running lifeforce for so it's pointless but I write up everyone's Internet examples I thought [TS]
00:15:33 ◼ ► but I just bring it up you know if they stop making the i Pod touch or if they just stop updating it ever again. [TS]
00:15:39 ◼ ► You're going to be that guy because you going to refuse to get an i Phone I want to you think I'm going to use like i [TS]
00:15:54 ◼ ► and I will have a little bit more follow ups let's power through real quickly. Local boys Sam Davies had. [TS]
00:16:03 ◼ ► and talked about using viral case he was debating whether he should sign up for the horizon thing where they get a [TS]
00:16:09 ◼ ► Let me let me quickly interrupt and say I did I did get my seventy five seventy five symmetric internets [TS]
00:16:19 ◼ ► KERRY Well it's not here yet but you say they'll come to a comfort but I was talking about how you can use your eyes [TS]
00:16:28 ◼ ► and not use any of their crap their you know like not using their router not having the money their cable boxes in your [TS]
00:16:37 ◼ ► and I said the only thing I had left that I was still using for Rossum is the N. S. Because if I used Google the N.S.A. [TS]
00:16:42 ◼ ► I didn't get it didn't the content delivery networks didn't know where I was geographically [TS]
00:16:47 ◼ ► and would connect me to a crappier server instead of the ones that are nearby. So that's why I was still using the U.S. [TS]
00:16:57 ◼ ► or whatever you get sent to some stupid virus and landing page with ads all over it. [TS]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and a couple other people send sent in a link to a page on the file size saying hey if you don't like that spammy [TS]
00:17:08 ◼ ► D.M.'s redirection here's what you can do to change it and soon saw the page. I realized I've done this before. [TS]
00:17:13 ◼ ► I've been to this page and I did it and it's basically just you change your IP change the last digit of your D.N.A. [TS]
00:17:25 ◼ ► I'm not your first three Act that are going to be different for everybody is the whole point. [TS]
00:17:35 ◼ ► And I did that years ago and I just must've forgotten about it and like in one of the OAS upgrades [TS]
00:17:43 ◼ ► So thank you Sam Dave is going to fuel for reminding me because I'm an old man forget things to retain my D.M.'s to be [TS]
00:17:49 ◼ ► the non project one all right. Console sales that we I guess didn't get this one hundred percent correct. [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Would someone threw up in a tweet that I thought was interesting because if you talk about how how they're stuck on a [TS]
00:18:04 ◼ ► P.S. For doing a heap thing they're doing fine and Jeff I want to say for this cutie. [TS]
00:18:14 ◼ ► Box One and P S four are up eighty percent compared to the first nine months sales of the last generation X. [TS]
00:18:20 ◼ ► and P S three so not only is the P S four selling faster than the P S three is not just a little bit faster than eighty [TS]
00:18:28 ◼ ► By three sixty one so this generation is not just doing OK And you know growth wise the take was faster for this [TS]
00:18:37 ◼ ► generation than it was for the previous ones so that was I was surprised that I knew the B.S. [TS]
00:18:54 ◼ ► and we have the first is regarding the thing that Tivo is using that isn't flash that is spelled H A X O hover. [TS]
00:19:09 ◼ ► Well apparently the correct pronunciation for that as per high endian is hex not hack C. [TS]
00:19:16 ◼ ► Which is I believe what all of us agreed it probably was. I went for Hicks or hacks. [TS]
00:19:20 ◼ ► Those are my two guesses but I wouldn't out of gas tax because that makes no sense [TS]
00:19:24 ◼ ► but there you go we have a new sponsor this week it is. Casper this is Casper sleep dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]
00:19:40 ◼ ► and the way they do it is I think worth noting I think this is something really special here so Casper sells a premium [TS]
00:19:48 ◼ ► mattress for a fraction of the price of most premium mattresses the mattress industry has inherently force customers [TS]
00:19:54 ◼ ► into paying notoriously high markups and you know this if you ever gone to you know buy a man. [TS]
00:20:00 ◼ ► I hope at least some of you have bought a mattress in your life it is quite useful to have a mattress you sleep usually [TS]
00:20:07 ◼ ► every day so it's nice to get a good mattress in my opinion and I've always told people you know when you [TS]
00:20:12 ◼ ► when you want to get a mattress get a really good one because how many times you know I could buy a mattress you know [TS]
00:20:17 ◼ ► or four maybe you know not not a lot of times in your life you're going to a mattress so Casper is revolutionising the [TS]
00:20:27 ◼ ► and passing that savings directly to the consumer they're selling direct on their site. [TS]
00:20:31 ◼ ► Now one of the ways they can do this is because their mattresses are really cool they actually like bunks down they [TS]
00:20:42 ◼ ► and it basically like expands into your regular mattress. Let me let me stop you there. [TS]
00:20:47 ◼ ► So so I got a Casper they were nice enough to send me a mattress and it did come in this. [TS]
00:20:55 ◼ ► and it came in a reasonably sized box I'm not going to try to rattle off dimensions because if I do it'll be an [TS]
00:21:01 ◼ ► imperial units than all the metric people are going to yell at me suffice to say it was a normal sized part what is [TS]
00:21:06 ◼ ► usually one of the mantras delivered it has to come on a furniture truck right you know it's way too big for like [TS]
00:21:12 ◼ ► Right exactly this is not the case in fact it actually accidentally got delivered to my neighbor's house [TS]
00:21:17 ◼ ► and he single handedly like dragged the box over to our house and was not a sweaty disgusting mass one when he arrived. [TS]
00:21:23 ◼ ► So anyway so we take the mattress out of the box and it has this neat little card with with meat diagrams [TS]
00:21:29 ◼ ► and I think acceptable to have typographic setting up your castle. So step one your Casper's arrived Well yes. [TS]
00:21:37 ◼ ► Step Three use a handy sharp unsteady blade to unbind your Casper start in the dot [TS]
00:21:52 ◼ ► And then sure enough I open this thing and I guess because you were like you're saying it's vacuum wrapped [TS]
00:22:00 ◼ ► All this air it sounded like it was sighing with relief it was the funniest thing I've ever seen. [TS]
00:22:08 ◼ ► And these mattresses so they're made of how they describe it it's an interesting combination. [TS]
00:22:27 ◼ ► They combine these two things together for basically the best of both. They call it better nights and brighter days. [TS]
00:22:32 ◼ ► I call a good mattress and what you get for this you know this is this is a premium mattress and you know [TS]
00:22:38 ◼ ► when I bought a premium mattress about ten years ago it cost about seven hundred dollars for a queen size. [TS]
00:22:51 ◼ ► I mean these are really really great prices for this quality mattress this is you know roughly I would say roughly half [TS]
00:22:58 ◼ ► of what you'd be likely to pay at like a sleepy their mattress store kind of thing. [TS]
00:23:05 ◼ ► There's it's also a very you know I would worry how do you buy a mattress without going and lying on it in a store. [TS]
00:23:10 ◼ ► Well buy a cat or mattress is completely risk free they have free delivery and free returns within one hundred days. [TS]
00:23:17 ◼ ► So you can buy this thing and tried out for three months and then decide whether you like it or not. [TS]
00:23:24 ◼ ► You know because when you go to when you go to the show room you're lying on it for a couple of minutes [TS]
00:23:27 ◼ ► and there's some guy standing over you with like you know a clipboard and you know that for sure [TS]
00:23:33 ◼ ► and it's it's like every stereotype of used car sales places you know it's that's how mattress servers usually are [TS]
00:23:39 ◼ ► and you know you can actually just take this thing order it delivered in a tiny box let it sight of relief in your [TS]
00:23:46 ◼ ► house and then try for three months and you know they have this hundred day passes that's fantastic. [TS]
00:23:53 ◼ ► They understand the importance of trying it out in your own home actually sleeping on [TS]
00:24:02 ◼ ► So last night Aaron and I went into the into the bedroom that the castle and relax [TS]
00:24:12 ◼ ► and I quite liked it I am not a fan of memory foam despite what most people think I actually do everyone loves memory [TS]
00:24:24 ◼ ► and I wouldn't be making a big deal out of this if I didn't think it was just the right balance of a little bit of foam [TS]
00:24:36 ◼ ► They're really good mattresses and just the unboxing experience is pretty neat if nothing else [TS]
00:24:43 ◼ ► From what I understand if you're if you're a mattress geek from what I understand one of the biggest benefits of this [TS]
00:24:48 ◼ ► over pure memory foam is that it doesn't have the the hotness effect right as like a lot of people don't like memory [TS]
00:24:53 ◼ ► foam to kind of make them feel hot and this supposedly dramatically reduces that or eliminate that problem anyway. [TS]
00:25:00 ◼ ► So go to Casper sleep dot com slash A.T.P. That's C A S P E R sleep dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]
00:25:09 ◼ ► If you're asked for a promo code or any point on the check out use promote code A.T.P. [TS]
00:25:16 ◼ ► and they do cool things are normally they have this thing where if they have a referral program where if you refer [TS]
00:25:23 ◼ ► and they give the friend fifty dollars off their mattress instead of taking gift cards. [TS]
00:25:28 ◼ ► We are donating our fifty dollars to Katie's charity of choice for every bed sold they've set this up so that the city [TS]
00:25:52 ◼ ► I think the world you know the world needs something like this you know this is met by a mattress [TS]
00:26:04 ◼ ► So what are we talking about tonight once already. I Tunes We don't do we want to talk about open source. [TS]
00:26:09 ◼ ► You got anything to the topic file that you just know you've those old ones in there. It's late August. [TS]
00:26:20 ◼ ► but you know for the stuff that we need to talk about on the show nothing is happening. We could get political power. [TS]
00:26:28 ◼ ► I like I can't take it anymore I'm just so exhausted from it you know it's this is this is one of the one of those [TS]
00:26:36 ◼ ► and I'm happy I'm happy to immerse myself in anything else besides current events for this two hours this is a topic [TS]
00:26:44 ◼ ► that Casey should address on his other show where he talks about his feelings that I have a listen to part of the [TS]
00:26:50 ◼ ► exhaustion is like you know that aspect of acknowledging one is it's good that we're in touch you know in real time at [TS]
00:26:58 ◼ ► these events that we are care about because we see we see them by you know who we follow on Twitter [TS]
00:27:07 ◼ ► but it can be exhausting in that at a certain point you just start to feel overwhelmed with whatever the issue of the [TS]
00:27:13 ◼ ► day happens to be if you have it flooding into you on all possible streams that you consume content on the net. [TS]
00:27:21 ◼ ► It can it can be tiring I actually unfollowed some people during this whole recent flare up not because I disagree with [TS]
00:27:34 ◼ ► I want to read my whole Twitter stream and if you just becomes too much and I feel like I was getting anxious [TS]
00:27:41 ◼ ► and follow a people who I totally agree with on whatever issue they're playing about is just is too much you know. [TS]
00:27:48 ◼ ► So Marco you'll notice that John doesn't follow you anymore. Marco is not a high volume tweeter on this topic. [TS]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Most every tweet England flight you reach we have like three things what you can eat like three things an hour every [TS]
00:28:06 ◼ ► Well I know three an hour is low volume compared to some of the tweeting going Fleishman onions if you follow him it's [TS]
00:28:14 ◼ ► like I know I know I had done fog went to I THOUGHT SOMETHING ABOUT IT WILL TAKE A He was like I will I will [TS]
00:28:19 ◼ ► and every following him because I have unfollowed me fog Well maybe I'm just one of those things you have to do a [TS]
00:28:24 ◼ ► couple times a person or you have to unfold when Fleischmann and then maybe you fall again and then you don't fall [TS]
00:28:29 ◼ ► and you know he told he tells people go to the casino that he tweets way more than most people can kind of read that [TS]
00:28:38 ◼ ► but the other day I abandoned being a completionist on Twitter because I had like four hundred tweets from a not very [TS]
00:28:45 ◼ ► long amount of time and I just went all the way to the top and it was a very traumatic experience for me [TS]
00:28:50 ◼ ► but I'm glad that I've done it. I learned a lot that I think that means I went crazy right. [TS]
00:29:05 ◼ ► and I was like screw this I have my problem is my favorite Twitter client has a limit on how far back you can go on the [TS]
00:29:10 ◼ ► timeline so if I fall very far behind on a busy day I have to switch to my second favorite Twitter client to get back [TS]
00:29:17 ◼ ► far enough on my segment everyone doesn't have a unified timeline addressing think about either of these two different [TS]
00:29:27 ◼ ► People use these clients that are I don't understand why you are unquestionably one of the smartest man I've ever met [TS]
00:29:39 ◼ ► or even why do you even need them interleaved who cares because it's a running conversation it's a tough it's a time [TS]
00:29:44 ◼ ► honored sequence of messages that they're not random They're not two separate streamed It's one thing one person says [TS]
00:29:49 ◼ ► one thing other person does not think just because one person put an ad in front of his message it somehow is in a [TS]
00:29:54 ◼ ► different timeline no make any sense that everyone should use unified time as well. [TS]
00:30:05 ◼ ► But like for me like I used to be doesn't have this feature which sounds like it's probably your secondary client. [TS]
00:30:15 ◼ ► but like I don't need a unified timeline because I'm not a completion as I used to be and it took way too much time [TS]
00:30:22 ◼ ► But even even if you're not a completionist when you're skimming though it's better to skimming unified Tang's [TS]
00:30:26 ◼ ► when you said one thing to skim and you can you can sort of see the flow of the conversation. [TS]
00:30:30 ◼ ► These two people bantering back and forth interspersed with random people mentioning them [TS]
00:30:37 ◼ ► Well yeah but I am a completionist for my mentions just not from my public timeline [TS]
00:30:41 ◼ ► but people much at a point I do want to talk about the things Twitter is doing by messing with your timeline. [TS]
00:30:50 ◼ ► I haven't because none of us I mean what is there to really say it's probably self-serving for Twitter it pisses off [TS]
00:31:00 ◼ ► Well I explain my Explain what it is first so Twitter's decided that if you favorite something [TS]
00:31:13 ◼ ► and Twitter decides that that's relevant to you for whatever reason that they will show that favor in your timeline [TS]
00:31:20 ◼ ► something of an example so John favorite some weird thing that has to do with video games [TS]
00:31:29 ◼ ► According to Twitter that favorite that John gave to someone I may or may not follow could appear in my timeline [TS]
00:31:37 ◼ ► and grow suddenly Twitter is taking control of your timeline which is a very Facebook a thing to do whereas as many [TS]
00:31:53 ◼ ► and this is doubly true third party clients where they're not doing like sponsored tweets and stuff like that [TS]
00:32:02 ◼ ► but I don't I mean it makes sense that Twitter is doing this because it's completely self-serving. [TS]
00:32:08 ◼ ► It makes sense that I don't like it because I'm completely self-serving and I'm either going to deal with it [TS]
00:32:12 ◼ ► when it affects me and tweet pot or not and I mean I don't see that there's that much debate here. [TS]
00:32:17 ◼ ► Well it's it's a crappy thing to do though and you know it matters a lot because we're locked in. [TS]
00:32:22 ◼ ► So like you know so there's two problems here. Number one is that Twitter has now ruined favorites. [TS]
00:32:30 ◼ ► Basically they now like favorite favoring a tweet used to be a way that you could passively [TS]
00:32:36 ◼ ► and very subtly give someone some slight positive feedback that they might see and that [TS]
00:32:43 ◼ ► So I think that all sorts of stuff that you know like Yeah stuff I wouldn't read tweet necessarily because I wouldn't [TS]
00:32:48 ◼ ► want to necessarily Repos to people who follow me. But still it's like you know a nice quick pass a feedback thing. [TS]
00:32:56 ◼ ► Favorites of always been kind of broken because it was always very hard to view who favored your tweets [TS]
00:33:01 ◼ ► and to be notified of everything like in any kind of scale so it wasn't necessarily you know a great system at first [TS]
00:33:08 ◼ ► but the way they've quote fixed it now is kind of redundant because they have read tweeting [TS]
00:33:13 ◼ ► and so now they've they've made favorites basically act like three tweets in many places [TS]
00:33:19 ◼ ► and they haven't said a further know on their on their page about how they how they're now running our timelines I [TS]
00:33:27 ◼ ► I think they've just said we're going to start inserting things in your timeline that might be relevant [TS]
00:33:31 ◼ ► and you know this is one of the ways they might determine what to insert is what's been favored by by the people [TS]
00:33:39 ◼ ► or for that to be the only reason to call it to cause things to appear in a timeline that people don't fall. [TS]
00:33:45 ◼ ► The thing is you know like Facebook the what Facebook has done with their timeline has basically made it so that they [TS]
00:33:53 ◼ ► by default hide almost everything from you and you know if you say you have ten thousand people who like your pay. [TS]
00:34:01 ◼ ► and if you post something on your timeline on your wall I don't know how i'm sorry i'm not a Facebook user really so I [TS]
00:34:13 ◼ ► Basically only a very small percentage of the people who have expressed interest in seeing everything you post will [TS]
00:34:28 ◼ ► and it frustrates a lot of people you know it frustrates companies who have made Facebook pages because that's where [TS]
00:34:33 ◼ ► and then all of a sudden like their traffic to their page drops to nothing because they don't pay Facebook for for ads [TS]
00:34:40 ◼ ► to reach the people who have already said they want to be reached so that you know that's like imagine a Twitter. [TS]
00:34:46 ◼ ► Imagine like if your tweets were only shown to ten percent your followers but the people chose to follow you [TS]
00:34:51 ◼ ► but your tweets are only showing ten percent of them unless you do an Iran's program [TS]
00:34:55 ◼ ► and you know start paying them for every person you follow that's what Facebook does. [TS]
00:34:59 ◼ ► That's that Facebook's current business model and so that's that's crappy for Facebook and [TS]
00:35:04 ◼ ► and you know doesn't affect most of us to most of us are Twitter people a new way. [TS]
00:35:09 ◼ ► So Twitter doing this is is breaking the way the timeline works now they already have broken it with ads [TS]
00:35:16 ◼ ► and most of us use third party clients have never seen the Twitter ads because they don't show in their party clients [TS]
00:35:24 ◼ ► Twitter might choose not to just be in control like what the ads can do give them like the rich experiences that the [TS]
00:35:29 ◼ ► cars like somebody posted earlier today that you can like you know build your new Acura. [TS]
00:35:33 ◼ ► Within this Twitter cart and all this crap you know that because people want to engage with brands [TS]
00:35:38 ◼ ► and what Twitter is doing here is breaking the medium potentially and you can say well maybe they'll do it tastefully. [TS]
00:35:47 ◼ ► Maybe Twitter's leadership will have some idea of why their product is so good and what's so good about it [TS]
00:35:53 ◼ ► and why people like it and what's so important about it and maybe they'll do something that is best for the product [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► However I'm not holding my breath on that because their record in those departments is pretty poor so far the problem [TS]
00:36:11 ◼ ► and a whole lot of non geeks have decided over the last few years that Twitter is this new medium where we get all of [TS]
00:36:19 ◼ ► With Twitter and many other ways to get news and discuss things with Twitter. Imagine if R.S.S. [TS]
00:36:26 ◼ ► Was centrally controlled by one private company or public company whatever by one company and every R.S.S. [TS]
00:36:33 ◼ ► Client in the world all of a sudden started inserting things you didn't subscribe to [TS]
00:36:37 ◼ ► and you couldn't opt out of that and you couldn't stop that. That would make the entire medium of R.S.S. [TS]
00:36:58 ◼ ► And you'd have no recourse because the entire media is controlled as one company well that's what Twitter is Twitter is [TS]
00:37:09 ◼ ► and tech tentacle realities social realities that cetera it is a whole new medium. [TS]
00:37:15 ◼ ► But it's just one company controlling it there is no open center for Twitter than there are [TS]
00:37:18 ◼ ► and whatever hope there was of having you know everything. Twitter killed that years ago. [TS]
00:37:28 ◼ ► and this should be a wake up call to all of us especially the geeks who listen to the show and us who are those geeks. [TS]
00:37:36 ◼ ► This should be a call to all of us to to see how important it is to build open standards instead of trying to let one [TS]
00:37:51 ◼ ► and they were called they were in California everything's going to be great are going to change the world. [TS]
00:37:55 ◼ ► Well you know what they did change the world they took it off them selves and now they have complete control over [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Run by a bunch of people who don't necessarily fit the original attitude of the founders and the founders [TS]
00:38:08 ◼ ► and mostly all checked out. So and this is what happens. Companies move on people leave like we we let this happen. [TS]
00:38:14 ◼ ► We can we let this entire monster grow. We helped it grow. We're all still using and I'm still using it. [TS]
00:38:21 ◼ ► I'm going to keep using it because that's where all the people are and that's the one place I can reach them. [TS]
00:38:30 ◼ ► and I think we need to be very careful in the future you know not to assume that these these companies seem like they [TS]
00:38:36 ◼ ► have all of our best interest in mind always will because you see time after time that they don't anyway so that's why [TS]
00:38:48 ◼ ► when it happened like it made me think again oh you know where do we go if this goes south like it after that is gone [TS]
00:38:55 ◼ ► and tent is not like we went through this once when they were doing a bunch of things that we all hated [TS]
00:38:59 ◼ ► and then a couple things spring up to try to replace it and none of those really worked out [TS]
00:39:03 ◼ ► but it's like because if they went full Facebook on this like we would I don't know if we would leave [TS]
00:39:10 ◼ ► but I would be desperately looking for someplace else to go because all I need is like my little circle of people to be [TS]
00:39:17 ◼ ► and you know there's a reason I went after that like I'm always looking for alternatives is obviously I like a hostile [TS]
00:39:24 ◼ ► They've been walking this line where it's like well the people who really care about this are just it's just people [TS]
00:39:29 ◼ ► like us are people who are seeing the show it's such a small percentage in the grand scheme of things so we'll throw [TS]
00:39:34 ◼ ► you a bone and give you this token system to the third party client third party clients won't have ads [TS]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and the same thing with this that they can continue to sort of walk that tightrope [TS]
00:39:44 ◼ ► and say we're going to do all this Facebook crap to everyone else but we won't do to third party clients. [TS]
00:39:49 ◼ ► We're not going to tell you we're not going to do we're not going to promise anything [TS]
00:39:52 ◼ ► but we just basically just won't do it like this will be their policy silently. Don't screw up the timeline at least. [TS]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Small group of of not just technicians who nevertheless might have you know disproportionate influence over over [TS]
00:40:06 ◼ ► whatever or might have the wherewithal to go and make something else right so don't anger them. [TS]
00:40:18 ◼ ► But really you know don't stir the pot too much you just kind of ignore them leave them off in the corner [TS]
00:40:22 ◼ ► and some of the strategies are working like they've been doing I'm not just things that people use the official Twitter [TS]
00:40:27 ◼ ► client which is like everybody else but us and I guess cable Sasser sorry cable I don't know why does he like that [TS]
00:40:34 ◼ ► And then just kind of Don't rile up the hornet's nest that is those techno ads who might try to go elsewhere. [TS]
00:40:44 ◼ ► But yeah no I don't I don't like I don't like this at all I hope it doesn't happen to me [TS]
00:40:49 ◼ ► Like it takes a pretty big critical mass of people to make someplace else viable and I have done that didn't get it. [TS]
00:40:59 ◼ ► but certainly no one that I am familiar with it still uses it as far as I'm aware. [TS]
00:41:10 ◼ ► So as an example I tend to come down in the Marco camp where if somebody does something that I want to kind of give a [TS]
00:41:33 ◼ ► but there are plenty of other ways that you could use favorites like a lot of people for example tend to use it for [TS]
00:41:37 ◼ ► bookmarking So Marco you kind of covered how you do it John what do you do for favorites how do you what purpose do [TS]
00:41:44 ◼ ► they serve in your world as one tell you that I still am using after I met you know I still have a running every day. [TS]
00:41:53 ◼ ► and I see it I don't really post anything there may be our plight it's all runs in a while but I still run it. [TS]
00:41:58 ◼ ► I'll probably run it. Like the servers don't work anymore I don't know if a tree falls in the moon. [TS]
00:42:05 ◼ ► I mean right now it's really low traffic I got it I can take it like twice a day and be all caught up. [TS]
00:42:10 ◼ ► I think it's like two posts in the past two days in my timeline I was of her favorites I favorite I favored thing [TS]
00:42:19 ◼ ► things as a way to you know I like as the Little same reason I reply to people a thumbs up is like a little social [TS]
00:42:26 ◼ ► thing trying to say I approve of what you have done here you've made a good joke that made me laugh you said something [TS]
00:42:31 ◼ ► clever you said something I thought was insightful I could use it in that capacity which I think is like that supposed [TS]
00:42:37 ◼ ► and the other way I use it is I want to find this tweet later so like a bookmark so favorite it so that [TS]
00:42:47 ◼ ► and like Google you have that you know you Google site Twitter dot com type in some words [TS]
00:43:02 ◼ ► or it's something that I want to think about a write later it's almost ten thing that a lot of kind of my notes my [TS]
00:43:07 ◼ ► and I don't have so many favorites during the day that it's hard to go through them you know I do like a handful of [TS]
00:43:16 ◼ ► Fair enough I trying to quickly figure out how many favorites we had but you didn't talk long enough so I don't know [TS]
00:43:23 ◼ ► but I was going to compare because I favorite constantly. I might vomit stars on Twitter. [TS]
00:43:30 ◼ ► or like you just explained a situation that I would essentially never do a favorite where someone teases me about [TS]
00:43:38 ◼ ► something I don't feel the need to Favorite them to let them know I'm not mad at them because I feel like that's the [TS]
00:43:43 ◼ ► and you know whatever like yeah you do that like if somebody like it somebody makes a joke at you that is insulting to [TS]
00:43:54 ◼ ► and again will pick on Guy English because we all like I already tweet the Margaux speaking of. [TS]
00:44:02 ◼ ► but I want I want guy to know that I may not be replying to this with some snarky comeback of my own [TS]
00:44:10 ◼ ► but we're still cool I'm not offended by it I'm not running away with my tail between my legs. [TS]
00:44:17 ◼ ► but I'm not going to take the effort to continue this conversation. But hey here's a favor to let you know. [TS]
00:44:25 ◼ ► or the funny thing is like do you guys ever check the favorites that you're receiving. [TS]
00:44:32 ◼ ► I get notified on my computer but not on my phone bank notified when I got an actual [TS]
00:44:46 ◼ ► but a fraction of the followers that you guys have although over nine thousand What's not anyway so the point is that a [TS]
00:44:54 ◼ ► lot of times I'll make a really sarcastic of noxious joke that is meant in English kind of way. [TS]
00:45:05 ◼ ► And I I want to know that if I'm making a joke it I don't know me Jason smells expense that he thinks it's OK [TS]
00:45:11 ◼ ► and funny and cool and if he throws me a favorite then I know all right I don't need to apologize profusely [TS]
00:45:16 ◼ ► and hate myself. And if he doesn't throw me if I want to just make that the default. [TS]
00:45:24 ◼ ► and assume that everyone gets your jokes unless they actually tell you that they didn't mark [TS]
00:45:31 ◼ ► But anyway now I think I think it's funny that like you know like we all seem to be using favorites kind of correctly. [TS]
00:45:46 ◼ ► and get enough favorites that it might be annoying to be notified of each one and the third party client [TS]
00:45:52 ◼ ► but they don't really they really show you receive favorites anywhere useful because there is no good A.P.I. For it. [TS]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Do which is go to a site that shows you your humiliated favorites I go to right Dave start tons of people use those [TS]
00:46:05 ◼ ► services and I think that's a reasonably healthy that's not good to be obsessed with it to be a help [TS]
00:46:10 ◼ ► but like it's a feedback mechanism. Have you made a funny joke or not. If nobody favors it or nobody R.T. [TS]
00:46:17 ◼ ► That you have you know it is less funny than are to be surprised that you said something you didn't think resonated [TS]
00:46:24 ◼ ► It and the ratio favor narky the something people are saving to try to give like oh you made me laugh [TS]
00:46:31 ◼ ► Or they are taking it in like this is something I want my followers to see as well so I defy Look at face of it that [TS]
00:46:40 ◼ ► when I'm interested how have I done for today you know I mean so like anything some people who get obsessed with it [TS]
00:46:48 ◼ ► and they're in on their favorite sayings that again the fear is that I get to be ever who favored him [TS]
00:46:52 ◼ ► but you know it's it's about that you don't you know you any site to show you the number of favorites a retreat you're [TS]
00:46:59 ◼ ► No I usually be notified by fav star that I did something that got a lot of favorites like crossed some threshold like [TS]
00:47:06 ◼ ► one hundred two hundred of those e-mails are not just NOT biggest refining on Twitter if you congratulations on your [TS]
00:47:11 ◼ ► you know hundred starts with whatever and there have been a few times a year it's not a frequent thing that I get. [TS]
00:47:16 ◼ ► I did recently start checking my retreats tab because that third party clients can show you know your last few tweets [TS]
00:47:24 ◼ ► and you know how many recruits they got basically so I did check that boy this is boring. [TS]
00:47:28 ◼ ► Well it's really quick real time for all of them will go to the next awesome thing I have eight thousand seven hundred [TS]
00:47:39 ◼ ► John Mr stingy Syracuse one thousand four hundred eighty nine I think I have the right number. [TS]
00:47:51 ◼ ► Yeah that's you know I mean half of those are bookmarks or more than I do you know I actually like that. [TS]
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00:48:33 ◼ ► Those guys are friends of ours in Casey's case they are one of us and so yeah thank you for that anyway. [TS]
00:48:42 ◼ ► For God's sake go do it it's their shows these are the great mikes back Stephen back Katie's back Federico is back. [TS]
00:48:48 ◼ ► Who of them there I don't know who's the paddock I don't know his name. Doubt is that right. [TS]
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00:49:07 ◼ ► and drop stuff you can also go in there at the market if you want to you can inject code you can inject C.S.S. [TS]
00:49:12 ◼ ► We do that on our side to customize a few things but for the most part our site is one of their stock templates [TS]
00:49:18 ◼ ► and I think it's a don't only a couple of tweaks to it that we did but it's I think it looks great. [TS]
00:49:26 ◼ ► and they there are so many good things you know you don't have to spend a lot of time on it if you don't want to [TS]
00:49:30 ◼ ► and if you do want to you can you can customize the crap out of it basically Squarespace a lot [TS]
00:49:40 ◼ ► Most of the listeners of the show probably could make their own website if they wanted to but there's a time [TS]
00:49:48 ◼ ► and most of the time it isn't most of the time if you're if you're making a site for you know your blog your portfolio [TS]
00:49:54 ◼ ► your business your restaurant your store your projects whatever whatever the case may be. Most of the time. [TS]
00:50:00 ◼ ► You don't need to code your own Web site from scratch or install your own CNS somewhere and get a host [TS]
00:50:05 ◼ ► or anything like that most of the time you're better off just outsourcing all that stuff [TS]
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00:50:22 ◼ ► we could use the Web site because you know it's just not worth it to spend our time doing it most the time square gives [TS]
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00:51:27 ◼ ► A better web starts with your website. All right so Mark are you running your sanity in any of your computers. [TS]
00:51:36 ◼ ► OK I am not either so I have not seen the new version of i Tunes and I'm assuming it's somebody only is Neter my crazy. [TS]
00:51:44 ◼ ► I know I've been assuming that like all versions of i Tunes it over be released not just for Yosemite [TS]
00:51:52 ◼ ► Time which is why I am basically not saying anything about it in the review because for all I know it could be released [TS]
00:52:00 ◼ ► It's only visible unless you're seventy now but there's no reason to believe they could release that I do [TS]
00:52:05 ◼ ► and whenever it's ready it's not like it's going to be a somebody only assume I can guarantee. [TS]
00:52:09 ◼ ► But today it's Yosemite only as far as I know I didn't have a gun looking innocent of that like I do in the data [TS]
00:52:17 ◼ ► All right so but you have spent some amount of time with Sergeant John is there anything you want. [TS]
00:52:27 ◼ ► Basho the first thing I do with every new version of i Tunes is bring up the preferences window [TS]
00:52:30 ◼ ► and see if it's still at modal and if it is I was interested and and it's Top Model sorry. [TS]
00:52:41 ◼ ► I think that was the one where they did the larger overhaul where the side bar was hidden by default [TS]
00:52:45 ◼ ► and they are using now. I think it's eleven right and that was like well look they really changed the U.I. [TS]
00:53:01 ◼ ► but I did make a side bar visible so I've got to go back to the old mode the new one. [TS]
00:53:12 ◼ ► but are you giving me an application that's faster that's more stable that has you know that that does its job better [TS]
00:53:21 ◼ ► and I'm not going to say the current version i Tunes using is just redecorating is I think the way I know some people [TS]
00:53:26 ◼ ► hate us because of the use of the old one but like the way they handle the Up next stuff [TS]
00:53:30 ◼ ► and everything is interesting if you like the old way then I can understand why you're pissed off that they made this [TS]
00:53:38 ◼ ► and the new way as some features that I like it just it just doesn't feel it doesn't feel refreshing [TS]
00:53:45 ◼ ► and this this topic is coming to us because part of the road and ask about like photos on the Mac. [TS]
00:53:52 ◼ ► We talk about is what I show you know photos going to replace i Photo we don't really know where that's going to mean. [TS]
00:53:57 ◼ ► but one thing we do know is it's not going to be i Photo with like the U. Why refreshed. [TS]
00:54:05 ◼ ► and his question was he was wondering if we might see Apple do the same thing with i Tunes [TS]
00:54:12 ◼ ► when we're going to do something with i Tunes either split it up into a bunch of individual applications just rethink [TS]
00:54:18 ◼ ► what it means to do whatever the hell i Tunes does which is like play music once you buy things and watch movies [TS]
00:54:34 ◼ ► What are the next gen i Tunes look like what does it mean to rethink i Tunes. That's See there's there's a lot there. [TS]
00:54:47 ◼ ► And the reason it has running Windows is because you know it's not necessarily because Apple needs to sell music [TS]
00:54:56 ◼ ► I'm sure that's a significant portion of buyers but the biggest reason is that people who sync i Pods [TS]
00:55:02 ◼ ► and i have an i Phone and i Pad people who think i Devices need something to sync them with on Windows [TS]
00:55:08 ◼ ► and by keeping all this functionality in i Tunes It lets them have the shared code base that runs on both Windows [TS]
00:55:26 ◼ ► In theory I'd say we're not going to see that until it's no longer necessary to to have a version of i Tunes that runs [TS]
00:55:36 ◼ ► So right now where where why do you think we won't see that until two thousand if anything [TS]
00:55:41 ◼ ► or make that job easier if they split it up into pieces the only piece that needs to live on Windows is the piece [TS]
00:55:48 ◼ ► and that presently would be a simpler app than constantly having to keep the full functionality of i Tunes updated [TS]
00:55:53 ◼ ► or running on Windows right. Well not necessarily. First of all they you know keep my what signal I was devices. [TS]
00:56:01 ◼ ► and I still do manually sync media over to your eye US devices because you know what i Tunes Match doesn't always work [TS]
00:56:08 ◼ ► and a lot of times it's a lot easier to sync over a whole bunch of downloaded files that you already have on your [TS]
00:56:18 ◼ ► and use God knows how much bandwidth at you know no idea how fast it's going to go and you know it's but war. [TS]
00:56:26 ◼ ► How does the status of stuff get onto your mac like you say my home movies that you take or something like that. [TS]
00:56:31 ◼ ► Music movies you know whatever the case I think all the stuff comes from the network to begin listening for us people I [TS]
00:56:39 ◼ ► and putting them into their i Tunes I like it they're on their i OS device already has they take them on their hours [TS]
00:56:45 ◼ ► but a lot of I'm talking more like you know movies that you buy from i Tunes music that you've accumulated over the [TS]
00:56:52 ◼ ► People people have large media collections that that they want to sink quickly to a device [TS]
00:56:56 ◼ ► and a lot of times re downloading it all over the Internet is impossible or impractical. [TS]
00:57:00 ◼ ► So there is still there is still the need for this. Also a lot of people might not a lot. [TS]
00:57:09 ◼ ► That's what's important is days because I think I think I've had backup is by far more popular [TS]
00:57:13 ◼ ► but either way there are still a lot of people it is now there is one other major part here which is i Pods which still [TS]
00:57:32 ◼ ► but it has a long way to go down though so I've hides most of them have no network connection [TS]
00:57:38 ◼ ► and so you need to sync an i Pod from I do there is no other way to get music onto excluding the talks [TS]
00:57:44 ◼ ► but you know that the the non touch i Pod I'm talking about here of the talks isn't doing so hot either. [TS]
00:57:54 ◼ ► and i Tunes are still requires that So I think we're not going to see. So I think you know. [TS]
00:58:01 ◼ ► when it comes to big tactical shifts like this I think Apple is probably going to do what it needs to do it i Tunes [TS]
00:58:15 ◼ ► and I don't think that's going to happen until it is no longer important to be able to sync music to i Pods for Windows. [TS]
00:58:22 ◼ ► Well they have a technical debt problem though that even if you decide that every ounce of functionality with an i [TS]
00:58:27 ◼ ► and crap like that needs to stay there because just because a a rewrite of the i Tunes application like long term [TS]
00:58:37 ◼ ► I don't know how much of your crufty carbon stuff is in there I know a lot of their Windows libraries were based on [TS]
00:58:48 ◼ ► and so how do you deal with that like to make the application better eventually application gets old and gross [TS]
00:58:55 ◼ ► and you need to rewrite portion of it and I'm sure they've been doing that slowly over the years [TS]
00:58:58 ◼ ► but depending on how long it takes to wait out if they're doing this tragic like well then she will need to know it [TS]
00:59:03 ◼ ► anyway but if they're going to wait that out it may take such a long time and really like the State of the U.I. [TS]
00:59:11 ◼ ► but eventually you'll have to have to do something on Windows like their application won't won't fit in maybe it will [TS]
00:59:18 ◼ ► and oh Microsoft historically has been super good about making all the applications work for a long time [TS]
00:59:22 ◼ ► but maybe the new Microsoft isn't as excited about that. So it's kind of a game of chicken with progress. [TS]
00:59:37 ◼ ► Libraries based on like old quick time libraries in carbon code or whatever and that's what we have to use [TS]
00:59:49 ◼ ► And I wonder as I mean already on the mac where it supposedly native It's it's odd it's always been a little odd [TS]
00:59:55 ◼ ► and windows. It's also always been a little bit odd. So I I wonder how long we can. [TS]
01:00:02 ◼ ► and I still think you can make a smaller simpler more purpose built app that fills all of Apple's needs. [TS]
01:00:11 ◼ ► You know like take out as much as you can but still let people think their i Pods and do their and buy things [TS]
01:00:17 ◼ ► and put them on but it becomes like the whole purpose that applications like what you said why do they need to know [TS]
01:00:27 ◼ ► and works very differently than it does now it doesn't look like a music player that also has a little thing you can [TS]
01:00:34 ◼ ► And I was device management application like it that's all it is is just an I was device management application [TS]
01:00:42 ◼ ► That i Tunes is important enough that they get dedicated team to write i Tunes for Windows a separate application not [TS]
01:00:51 ◼ ► and everything to say look you like the biggest technology company in the world this is a core part of your business [TS]
01:00:58 ◼ ► and up can't just spare a small team to write a full native I'm sure Windows people would love this a full native [TS]
01:01:04 ◼ ► Windows application. The only part that it would share be like underlying faceless code and have the U.I. [TS]
01:01:11 ◼ ► and that may be actually easier than trying to keep these two code bases handcuffed together as the you know sort of [TS]
01:01:20 ◼ ► It's just so much to redo though because as I'm listening to you guys I'm looking at the chat just enumerate all these [TS]
01:01:31 ◼ ► and maybe that was in the trash as well as like i Tunes can still burn C.D.'s right that store thing. [TS]
01:01:36 ◼ ► Believe it or not and rip them up and rip them in various different codecs with constant [TS]
01:01:46 ◼ ► and the only way that we're really going get a rewrite I think is just like you said John to do something is to change [TS]
01:01:52 ◼ ► the purpose of i Tunes which is I think coming back to Todd's point change the purpose of i Tunes look at it more is [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► But if that's the case then what do you do with the store I mean I think Marco you made a great point earlier is that [TS]
01:02:08 ◼ ► Well we've got the mac app store app right which is set for those all of the things on the mac apps so came people like [TS]
01:02:17 ◼ ► but it's going to be simpler than you do we actually want them to try to make it a lease [TS]
01:02:22 ◼ ► when it separate No one is saying Boy the mac app store apa so bloated and slow and it crashes my computer [TS]
01:02:31 ◼ ► but it is not a pig like launches it runs it's got this thing it's got one window no tabs it's you know it's super [TS]
01:02:41 ◼ ► and you could iterate if they cared they could iterate within that single purpose thing to make an application it sort [TS]
01:02:48 ◼ ► of gets better over time with i Tunes They just kept adding stuff as just it's an impossibility to have one application [TS]
01:02:54 ◼ ► and you know like for the windows purpose if you really think the only purpose of itunes on Windows is so people can [TS]
01:03:02 ◼ ► I Pod I was devices then make an application for saying i Pod I was devised for Windows and then [TS]
01:03:06 ◼ ► and then the question is What do you do on the next one that we want to also offer a music player. [TS]
01:03:10 ◼ ► Windows people can use whatever Windows Media things they're offering you this rather than actually one of our use of [TS]
01:03:17 ◼ ► and we want to put into a single player like I thought a like it used to be one application and then show you stuff [TS]
01:03:30 ◼ ► and we also have an app of interface to it like a sort of a cloud centric thing where it stops being with monolithic [TS]
01:03:42 ◼ ► or several I was thinking up where they have a duplicate of the data no be like one pool of your stuff [TS]
01:03:47 ◼ ► and where would your stuff be probably in the same amorphous place that your photo stuff is going to be like that's you [TS]
01:03:55 ◼ ► Apple to hold onto your seats I suggest this is I don't want you to do. Fall over. [TS]
01:04:01 ◼ ► But there's one way you can make a single interface for multiple platforms to have access to data that's on a server [TS]
01:04:07 ◼ ► somewhere at all the web page you have web apps like nothing you have to be the main interface once again are you sure [TS]
01:04:16 ◼ ► I'm not saying this is the way it has to be a bit like every other company in the world like they would immediately go [TS]
01:04:21 ◼ ► there and of course we also need to have a web interface to whatever you know to our e-mail system and will call a G. [TS]
01:04:26 ◼ ► Mail you can you spoke like that which is not ideal for it like it's not ideal for i Tunes that stuff [TS]
01:04:33 ◼ ► but it's like if they're going to put all your photos into the cloud into some local subset of the new machine Why [TS]
01:04:38 ◼ ► can't all the stuff you buy the right tunes also there is already in the cloud right i Tunes Match all my stuff is [TS]
01:04:42 ◼ ► already in the cloud but I have no access to it anywhere except for on a macro in this computer running i Tunes [TS]
01:04:47 ◼ ► or on my US device web interface is such a natural fit for a pool of data that's already on a server somewhere. [TS]
01:04:56 ◼ ► and just have local caches of stuff like I think I think that's where all the apple's applications are going they just [TS]
01:05:03 ◼ ► So I'd be perfectly happy to have slim client side interfaces that stuff but if they wanted to address windows [TS]
01:05:09 ◼ ► and didn't want to write a separate windows application some kind of Web integrated thing could work for them. [TS]
01:05:14 ◼ ► So what you're saying is that you think it would be an improvement if Apple made more applications that are like the [TS]
01:05:24 ◼ ► Unless like i Tunes Yeah but aren't aren't the store apps basically mostly H.T.M.L. Anyway. [TS]
01:05:37 ◼ ► but it's like a really poor performing web app because like the time it takes your mac app store pages to load is way [TS]
01:05:44 ◼ ► more than the time it takes like Amazon dot com page was Amazon dot com pages are filled with crap [TS]
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01:08:55 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to back later trouncing our show now getting back in this discussion about i Tunes for a second I have one. [TS]
01:09:00 ◼ ► One little thing to say here that I'm sure will be a quick topic that nobody will argue with is i Tunes really that bad [TS]
01:09:11 ◼ ► Does it really justify all of the work that it would take to rewrite the whole thing. [TS]
01:09:15 ◼ ► Break it up into different apps lose Windows support lose some of the you know losing one to support you're making a [TS]
01:09:23 ◼ ► but then like you know the media is the media store still there you know it right now they also enjoy a benefit of if [TS]
01:09:29 ◼ ► you have an i Phone and you want to sing to your computer you have to install the i Tunes music store [TS]
01:09:33 ◼ ► and you have to look at it sometimes and so that has to drive sales to some degree if you have an i Phone you mean [TS]
01:09:41 ◼ ► You don't need you don't need to answer i Phone I was twice don't need I don't think you are [TS]
01:09:48 ◼ ► but the point is i Tunes works it doesn't work great all the time but it does work [TS]
01:09:55 ◼ ► and you know is it really worth them spending so much time to rewrite. All of this all this stuff. [TS]
01:10:02 ◼ ► That's a massive amount of time where it would not only be very expensive for them [TS]
01:10:08 ◼ ► But it also in the meantime probably get worse before it gets better because rewrites always have a ton of bugs at [TS]
01:10:16 ◼ ► and some other weird way they didn't resolve the same problems again like it would be a massive massive job. [TS]
01:10:23 ◼ ► What's more important Apple i Tunes or i Photo that's a good question actually I'm not sure. [TS]
01:10:28 ◼ ► And they're real and they're rewriting I thought of what I'm getting at is like yeah [TS]
01:10:32 ◼ ► but you can keep going with application for a long time but at a certain point you need to sort of overall like [TS]
01:10:36 ◼ ► and it's like oh I don't want to do this so is always some excuse not to not to redo it because you like [TS]
01:10:42 ◼ ► but eventually time runs out like you know ten years twenty five thousand years from now are going to be written. [TS]
01:10:47 ◼ ► You know you have to do it the same thing with the new language stuff everyone does want to put it off for ever [TS]
01:10:51 ◼ ► and i Tunes is not just some obscure application it's like well you know whatever we get along with it is OK i Tunes [TS]
01:10:57 ◼ ► like the cornerstone of their entire you know strategy for selling digital content [TS]
01:11:02 ◼ ► and that's why they're afraid of change IOW don't touch doings that we needed to be like if you screw it up if you make [TS]
01:11:09 ◼ ► and maybe that is why that I thought of it streams like well we screw up by thought oh it's all right we're just going [TS]
01:11:20 ◼ ► and you can't just like well it's Keep well just be rearranging the furniture was keep doing change to the U.I. [TS]
01:11:24 ◼ ► Because basic functionality has gotten super terrible like a podcast which I thankfully banks the market do not manage [TS]
01:11:31 ◼ ► But right up until you've released overcast beta I was doing it and I had to and this is just gotten worse and worse [TS]
01:11:37 ◼ ► and I don't listen to that many part guess I'm kind of like a moderate part of you know maybe ten twelve subscription [TS]
01:11:44 ◼ ► and i Tunes was a nightmare it's like these are just like a little M P three files I felt like all these people who [TS]
01:11:54 ◼ ► but now you're like I was trying to clean through my i Tunes pod cast leverage trying to delete episodes [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Now known Mark once for saving it is it's just torture it is not friendly I could never expect anybody [TS]
01:12:05 ◼ ► but me to go through this I would never instruct someone else I'll get i Tunes is an easy way for you to manage your [TS]
01:12:11 ◼ ► Mike I barely used to listen to music just because I have it set up the way I want to my playlist that I want to have i [TS]
01:12:17 ◼ ► Tunes Match which I think is a valuable service and you know I just get it just so and just said play essentially [TS]
01:12:23 ◼ ► and next track to skip over a random play through my playlist it is not a pleasant experience it doesn't make me feel [TS]
01:12:29 ◼ ► good about the application and I'm not saying I need to change right now but eventually they need to do something [TS]
01:12:47 ◼ ► I Tunes is not at that point the programming language I really wasn't at that point but these things take time [TS]
01:12:53 ◼ ► or later it's got to be done you know I actually I think it does need to be done eventually [TS]
01:13:00 ◼ ► but I I lean towards Marco's view on this one in that I don't ask that much of i Tunes and it does its job just fine. [TS]
01:13:10 ◼ ► or download movies for you until you discuss movies that you've purchased elsewhere just for money. [TS]
01:13:14 ◼ ► No no never never consume all memory and you can do when you want it does to me No no. [TS]
01:13:21 ◼ ► If your macro too old now I can't not buy you program and it has unfriendly bug that has tons of crap in it [TS]
01:13:33 ◼ ► and it's not it's not pleasant it's not friendly it's not nice. C. and I for regular like. [TS]
01:13:39 ◼ ► Not super duper power user I'm not so sure you're right I think it's a drought and could be better. [TS]
01:13:44 ◼ ► Yes it could be better you think you get the job done yes obviously it functions like it does not I supposed to do [TS]
01:13:53 ◼ ► Could it be improved or are we just going to keep like has the power of the trendy and i Tunes progress like. [TS]
01:14:00 ◼ ► Every new version of i Tunes better than the previous one even if the slope is really shallow going back maybe five you [TS]
01:14:14 ◼ ► but there's so much technical depth there that it's moving amount in order to I know in the longer you wait the bigger [TS]
01:14:23 ◼ ► I just I don't know to me I think they have bigger fish to fry than fix fixing i Tunes per side [TS]
01:14:29 ◼ ► and I think this is a bigger slam dunk then then new programming language because new profiling of people on the [TS]
01:14:35 ◼ ► Just fine in fact it's better than anything you can suggest so they sure as hell don't need a new language [TS]
01:14:42 ◼ ► I Tunes I don't think anyone's going to say not only is itunes just fine in fact it's better than any alternative [TS]
01:14:47 ◼ ► you're going to magine therefore you know the most you get like well I do and it's all right. [TS]
01:14:53 ◼ ► It doesn't bother me on a daily basis. It does what it's supposed to do. That's a low bar I like. [TS]
01:14:59 ◼ ► Again I don't say this is an impending crisis My attitude is now that the reason people keep bringing this up [TS]
01:15:03 ◼ ► and have been bringing up for years it just seems like it's do you know so maybe not this year maybe next year [TS]
01:15:10 ◼ ► but sometime within the next maybe five ten years they have to they have to address is that to do something [TS]
01:15:16 ◼ ► and you know maybe they'll be able to wait like marks until the windows version is irrelevant now finally we don't do [TS]
01:15:23 ◼ ► but by then maybe they will build up too much crap made by then all Macs will be arming there's a bunch of weird crazy [TS]
01:15:29 ◼ ► I think only code and i Tunes that we don't know about and you know I mean like you were of the C. [TS]
01:15:34 ◼ ► Stuff eventually they'll have to get rid of the CD ripping stuff I would assume I mean obviously Apple still sells [TS]
01:15:41 ◼ ► computers with up down down so I need to be resolved to go to as I do they still sell an optical drive the external [TS]
01:15:46 ◼ ► Oddly that's Apple branded But yeah I guess you're right they don't having them often aren't. I don't think so. [TS]
01:15:54 ◼ ► Where's Hackett when we need him. I think I think the question of. Rather than argue about whether. [TS]
01:16:02 ◼ ► The idea of all right so fast or to whatever your arbitrary year is than again bring about the programming language [TS]
01:16:07 ◼ ► and it was like OK I will concede that five hundred years in the future Apple will need a programming language [TS]
01:16:12 ◼ ► Anyway writing whatever you can see that i Tunes You will need to be rewritten to redesign the refactored the question [TS]
01:16:20 ◼ ► remains what does that redesign refactor rewrite look like does it look exactly the same as the current i Tunes [TS]
01:16:28 ◼ ► and you know it with a non model preference ballot box are you know is that you invision the breaking up of the [TS]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and I didn't get integrated into the operating system in a way that you know that is not doesn't feel like an [TS]
01:16:44 ◼ ► but feels more like a notification center where it's like integrated I don't know those those I think your instinct [TS]
01:16:50 ◼ ► but I think that is the most interesting line of thought about this rather than worrying about [TS]
01:16:57 ◼ ► First of all I would disagree with your assumption that i Tunes is more important to Apple than photos. [TS]
01:17:03 ◼ ► If you think about where they make most of their money which is you know the eyelash devices and everything [TS]
01:17:08 ◼ ► and then what people tend to do on the I was devices most and what's important to people [TS]
01:17:20 ◼ ► and videos that are captured by the device handling of photos is way more important then everything i Tunes does to [TS]
01:17:27 ◼ ► most of Apple's consumers. It's how partners Apple not how important is it Apple's consumers. [TS]
01:17:35 ◼ ► All the stuff they do is like OK well that makes the hardware more valuable to customers [TS]
01:17:42 ◼ ► But like OK well what's the percentage of the value that this is in the hardware is added by photos versus what [TS]
01:17:48 ◼ ► percentage is added by Face Time versus what percent is added by our message versus what percentage that would buy [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► Safari and you start carving up into pieces and yeah I thought it does contribute value to the hardware but i Tunes. [TS]
01:18:07 ◼ ► but you don't know is that like what is it ninety nine point nine percent of that people making purchases on their i [TS]
01:18:12 ◼ ► was devices then that decreases the value of i Tunes to the company the application [TS]
01:18:18 ◼ ► but if there's a lot of people are still buying things on their computers and like for example Apple T.V. [TS]
01:18:23 ◼ ► I think is something that a lot of magnets have. But you know I forget what the sales numbers are rebel T.V. [TS]
01:18:29 ◼ ► but There's way more i Pads and i Phones other than These are people buying movies and watching them on their i Pads [TS]
01:18:37 ◼ ► and watching their computer still like we're in transition between i Tunes where you did everything on your computer to [TS]
01:18:44 ◼ ► stuff your than your handheld and I know for example that even though my daughter has access to a i Pad [TS]
01:18:49 ◼ ► and i Pod Touches and all sorts of stuff. She still watches videos on a laptop computer rather than a giant T.V. [TS]
01:18:55 ◼ ► By the way I don't understand that choice but it makes me wonder if i Tunes as a vehicle for both purchasing [TS]
01:19:02 ◼ ► and consuming digital content is not as completely passe as it seems to be in our circles because we've all moved on to [TS]
01:19:08 ◼ ► you know airplay and and highway devices. Maybe your T.V.'s fans are too loud. Kids on his hands. [TS]
01:19:18 ◼ ► I'm kind of glad because I knew not to worry about them after leaving it paused and getting burn and or whatever [TS]
01:19:29 ◼ ► Casper backplanes and Squarespace and we will see you next week. Thank you for your time. [TS]
01:20:08 ◼ ► As you well know access to that list and there are three weeks. I hope not because I was ten or you can kill me. [TS]
01:20:42 ◼ ► OK Well that's possible. Tao's ago and I was going to bring it up but has a gallon. [TS]
01:20:47 ◼ ► I don't care about like I go on talk about it I don't know I don't know how I'm going to I don't know how it's going to [TS]
01:20:55 ◼ ► happen I don't know how I'm going to finish this thing. So using time off you're J.-O. B. [TS]
01:21:25 ◼ ► Like to the end like I said to until like this past weekend like finally now I can do this with sex I know exactly what [TS]
01:21:31 ◼ ► to do and I don't know exactly when and right now I'm stuck in the frigates with Section who'll not cool. [TS]
01:21:39 ◼ ► Well I don't know what to say about that and I'm sorry. Yeah I think this really may be my last one. [TS]
01:21:47 ◼ ► You sound surprisingly serious when you say that ten ten is a nice round number. I hope it's not but I bet it is. [TS]
01:21:55 ◼ ► I hope it's not as well but we'll talk about it after I don't want to overthink it now [TS]
01:21:58 ◼ ► and I was going to get this done. It will say well you don't have to really decide on next summer. [TS]
01:22:03 ◼ ► when you know you don't want to live so you don't decide whether you have another kid right after you have the first [TS]
01:22:07 ◼ ► one from the worst time to decide that actual nose is really live like fifteenth kid so for your list [TS]
01:22:12 ◼ ► and returns right and this this is the worst time for you to decide whether to write another one of these next year [TS]
01:22:18 ◼ ► and I know now because you sounded pretty much exactly the same a year ago if memory serves it gets worse every year [TS]
01:22:28 ◼ ► but I don't know if the reviews are getting worse like anywhere we'll talk about after this it was deciding whether to [TS]
01:22:44 ◼ ► and I say that having had a lot of weird little item the problems happen over the years just use a lot for various [TS]
01:22:50 ◼ ► but it mostly works for me it's like you can see it works for me you know just because you know I mean there are a pod [TS]
01:22:56 ◼ ► cast you should try to for like a week to try to you there are pockets like I used to. Yeah me too. [TS]
01:23:01 ◼ ► They're actually paying attention to the podcast feature now which you think would be good [TS]
01:23:05 ◼ ► but it actually cut like they're adding features that are good like Oh I've always wanted to do that I've always wanted [TS]
01:23:10 ◼ ► to be able to tell I didn't save this episode I've always wanted better control over which one the downloads [TS]
01:23:15 ◼ ► and so on but everything is so slow and painful and everything that a different mode on a different screen [TS]
01:23:21 ◼ ► and I don't understand how to be so damn slow the recent update had at a note in the release notes it was like improve [TS]
01:23:26 ◼ ► performance problems and podcast blah blah blah I haven't checked with to see if it's got that much better [TS]
01:23:32 ◼ ► but at least they knowledge that is the problem like I would select like five pod cast and the delete key [TS]
01:23:36 ◼ ► and they count ONE TWO THREE like just waiting for it to do something like it was multiple seconds of writing what [TS]
01:23:43 ◼ ► happening like Come on guys I'm deleting four and be treated like I don't know what you do behind the scenes [TS]
01:23:52 ◼ ► Are you updating some gigantic POS file because he didn't want to make like you know that you sequelae Bakken for core [TS]
01:24:00 ◼ ► It's all part encoding stuff so I have no idea what all I know is that the experience of using application is not up to [TS]
01:24:06 ◼ ► Apple's standards you know I think like putting up a carbon credits that's almost certainly there in the model [TS]
01:24:13 ◼ ► preferences box like I think those are really not I think those are red herrings like the model part of the box on [TS]
01:24:25 ◼ ► when I go the way I will know that they seriously refactor the application because it's not important enough to address [TS]
01:24:32 ◼ ► But if it is change it means they did such a sweeping change that this came out of it is a side effect [TS]
01:24:37 ◼ ► and therefore they really may change so that's why I'm checking preferences not because I care about Atmel preferences [TS]
01:24:42 ◼ ► or any I just just as an extra quick extra indication of how much refactoring work has really done it. [TS]
01:25:06 ◼ ► when Apple rewrites a major application all new especially in recent years that not only doesn't solve everything [TS]
01:25:16 ◼ ► Well you know I think I'm saying myself I knowledge that I'm willing to accept like a photos is not going to be very [TS]
01:25:23 ◼ ► tight about it like how so few features will photos have an initial version and how much worse than I thought [TS]
01:25:28 ◼ ► and look like you have to just accept those kind of transitions because you can't stick with one thing forever [TS]
01:25:34 ◼ ► and I think that the most confusing thing is like it's the first one I write because of huge swaths of nine U.I. [TS]
01:25:40 ◼ ► Related coded presently they would reviews that have nothing to do with you I have nothing to do with carbon they just [TS]
01:25:45 ◼ ► you know this just tons of code that does a thing that doesn't even know because they were doing that talking to talks [TS]
01:25:50 ◼ ► and all that network related code if you assume that that was factored reasonably they're not rewriting that like [TS]
01:25:56 ◼ ► they've added all that code over the years they will continue to use it and wherever the use it hopefully. [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► No modular way but you're mostly talking about is what's the glue that holds it all together [TS]
01:26:04 ◼ ► and especially like the local glue of like is there still a local i Tunes database they can get corrupted because you [TS]
01:26:11 ◼ ► Is everything service I didn't move to more of a photo's model where it's like well used to be all about local sequelae [TS]
01:26:17 ◼ ► databases and files on disk and now it's all about some cloud thing with everything local being like a cache [TS]
01:26:23 ◼ ► and stuff so photos will be the first guinea pig in this area I guess although our yearly with photos they've already [TS]
01:26:34 ◼ ► Albeit with a very spare interface simming the back end is going to be very similar in terms of how does how does [TS]
01:26:39 ◼ ► photos and I want to know what photos you have and how to get little thumbnails for them [TS]
01:26:45 ◼ ► So I'm optimistic that what they do with photos will be a good learning opportunity for [TS]
01:26:49 ◼ ► when they have to do something similar to a translator that's that's a big use of when when the [TS]
01:26:57 ◼ ► when what it's five hundred years a thousand years what are you willing to agree to everyone always wants to push it [TS]
01:27:02 ◼ ► out in a series of those is actually a mental exercise you feel like it's not imminent it's not imminent right. [TS]
01:27:07 ◼ ► But everyone agrees that you know I long time line something had to happen or Apple be out of business [TS]
01:27:12 ◼ ► and so it's like do you assume i Tunes last until I was out of business like what time money you comfortable with [TS]
01:27:17 ◼ ► likely to keep shrinking it until you get a feel for where because if you can bring it down to like well i Tunes will [TS]
01:27:22 ◼ ► be in its current form. Intel Apple is out of business I believe that will happen two hundred years. [TS]
01:27:26 ◼ ► It's pretty good bet that you are not factoring in all information available because that's a little bit crazy so just [TS]
01:27:37 ◼ ► Well again I think it's much more likely that they're going to stick with the current i Tunes architecture [TS]
01:27:46 ◼ ► Rewrites and everything and they're going to stick with that until most of what i Tunes does is no longer relevant [TS]
01:27:53 ◼ ► and no longer necessary and then they'll do a final cut and i Movie you know rewrite will do one of those here. [TS]
01:28:00 ◼ ► It's where they like delete the whole thing basically rewrite the core ten percent of it from scratch. [TS]
01:28:05 ◼ ► Right everyone is I haven't that's a good question you know again like i Tunes does so much I would say since there are [TS]
01:28:15 ◼ ► but they're still selling them you know they still have certain things I was devices that are using i Tunes I think [TS]
01:28:23 ◼ ► it's going to be there's going to be some future i O. S. Device or version of i O. S. [TS]
01:28:29 ◼ ► That doesn't sync with i Tunes at all I think that is going to be when they when they do this and so [TS]
01:28:37 ◼ ► I don't know maybe five years I mean I don't think it's I don't it's going to be shorter than that [TS]
01:28:42 ◼ ► and they are life they're around numbers of years as reasonable I think I was in his easy way to get rid of the i Pod [TS]
01:28:50 ◼ ► and I think this is probably if if i Pod stay around I think this will happen sooner rather than later is that just a [TS]
01:28:56 ◼ ► call the i Pod sync with your IOS devices the I was devices already have access to all your media through cloud [TS]
01:29:05 ◼ ► and wireless chips get cheap enough even if you just do it over some like hide them a version of Blue to the Possibly [TS]
01:29:10 ◼ ► you get some tiny little i Pod Why in the hell should you have to think that with a Mac. You should like it. [TS]
01:29:15 ◼ ► Why can't the I.O.'s device be the home base period like it's like a hierarchy like you have the tiny little i Pod [TS]
01:29:20 ◼ ► or your i Pod shuffle that can pull songs over some wireless thing from your i O. S. Device just fine. [TS]
01:29:35 ◼ ► but if they do stay around one way you can get i Tunes out of the picture for i Pods as having sync with eyewitnesses [TS]
01:29:44 ◼ ► or Macs to the point that happened you know I mean I think Mark is right I think it'll be something we'll change [TS]
01:29:52 ◼ ► external to to to i Tunes itself to make it not really requisite or not not necessary. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► It's current form and that's when it will make sense to start cleaving it to death [TS]
01:30:04 ◼ ► and that's what we're talking about like you know the current form of the current form will become obsolete [TS]
01:30:08 ◼ ► and you will unlike But ABOL will still want to have for example a way for you to play music on your back. [TS]
01:30:12 ◼ ► Right and so it's like well we don't need this giant piece that is i Tunes But we want you to have a music player [TS]
01:30:17 ◼ ► and the music play should be integrated with the music collection I maybe also want to have you a way for you to watch [TS]
01:30:25 ◼ ► or is that a separate You know that's exactly what we're talking about isn't different than what I'm saying it's not [TS]
01:30:31 ◼ ► and rewriting Coco would have a look at that same Like as not I don't think that's you know a useful thing. [TS]
01:30:41 ◼ ► and I agree with him is saying is that it can happen some time in the future that's not terribly near term where is it [TS]
01:30:49 ◼ ► that five years that's so close in time and then I thought and I would no I would say at least five years you know [TS]
01:30:58 ◼ ► but what I'm basically saying is I don't think it's any time soon because you know the i Pods are still being sold are [TS]
01:31:05 ◼ ► still being used by people health even bought a new i Pod Classic is probably the last person to ever have bought one [TS]
01:31:14 ◼ ► and he will be that will be literally the last one that was ever sold. Well he's the oldest young man I've ever met. [TS]
01:31:25 ◼ ► Such are employers of the current i Pod Nano apparently has Bluetooth I don't know if companies who stand to Haven't [TS]
01:31:29 ◼ ► have enough bandwidth to get songs over them probably for a shuffle they do that they just don't hold them my songs [TS]
01:31:34 ◼ ► You don't really want to be transferring large files over Bluetooth that is it is not made for that [TS]
01:31:39 ◼ ► and it doesn't let you forget that it just it was not satisfied by like wife I mean you know we're at the point now [TS]
01:31:46 ◼ ► where maybe we're making a little more expensive and you could build in a little life I thing inside it certainly [TS]
01:31:55 ◼ ► Cards with the wife I think of the I five are those for cameras yet in the end those aren't that good. [TS]
01:32:02 ◼ ► Right under saying in terms of like how how small can you make a life I think you can make it really small Obviously if [TS]
01:32:07 ◼ ► you don't have to bury it inside a potentially metal camera or something like you could decide you know. [TS]
01:32:12 ◼ ► Anyway we have the technology to do this now it's just like is it worthwhile does Apple even care about i Pods [TS]
01:32:20 ◼ ► but I'm saying like that's out if you want to keep selling things that only sell music that are really cheap eventually [TS]
01:32:25 ◼ ► putting a little wife chipset in a tiny little thing that plays music sinks with your i was devices not with your max [TS]
01:32:37 ◼ ► and you get anything i Tunes Match what if i Tunes Match is no longer paying right [TS]
01:32:41 ◼ ► but you don't want the wife to be used all the time has got a tiny little batter you just want to be like that you can [TS]
01:32:46 ◼ ► just have like a lady Damani around my house picking up my songs like you want to basically have the radios off all the [TS]
01:32:51 ◼ ► time except for when when you're sinking and why I would have to sync with with the I.R.S. [TS]
01:32:55 ◼ ► Because it has not a screen in the case of a shovel he ended something to say what do you want on your i Pod Shuffle [TS]
01:33:00 ◼ ► pick the songs here whatever point you know as you point and really you would want to pick like that nano screen [TS]
01:33:07 ◼ ► and even the classic screens that you don't want to use the screen on the i Pod it the screen on your soon to be a much [TS]
01:33:15 ◼ ► or i Pad is a much nicer way to pick what you want even though you could technically maybe with you know turn on the [TS]
01:33:24 ◼ ► See I don't I don't think the i Pod line is even worth enough of Apple's attention to make that change to make it seem [TS]
01:33:34 ◼ ► but if something if they wanted to keep it around that would be a way to do it without your items [TS]
01:33:39 ◼ ► but it just seems like they're fading away like they don't bother really updating them no one cares about them. [TS]
01:33:43 ◼ ► The sales keep going down down down. You know there looks like there is going to fade away. [TS]
01:33:48 ◼ ► Yeah and that's by far the most likely outcome but I mean you're saying the classic i Pod should be dead by now too [TS]
01:33:54 ◼ ► but somehow content. So at this point it will be a surprise when they do kill. Like for years I was pretty. [TS]
01:34:02 ◼ ► Every event they're going to kill the upper class and they still haven't it's still there they're still selling it [TS]
01:34:12 ◼ ► We're not even going to notice and I do it because it's not like they're going announce it. [TS]
01:34:17 ◼ ► and go hey you know I can't find the right person for just one night it will be like [TS]
01:34:26 ◼ ► Just be gone and the next morning just like that table just has you know more beeps on it [TS]
01:34:30 ◼ ► and it will still take a few more days and some of the notice you have another not another big honor anymore. [TS]