80: Tangled in Version Numbers

0:00:00I want to see you discipline your kids John.

0:00:02No you don't you know your wife you'll see how ineffectual I am

0:00:06when we meet in person with my kids sometime in the future.

0:00:10Do you use the I'm really disappointed in you approach or don't care.

0:00:14OK you'll learn that you are the least impressive intimidating thick just they get used to you.

0:00:24What happens in so many respects they look up to you

0:00:27and the things that you do have such a profound effect on so many other ways strangers are much better able to control

0:00:32and discipline them until they get used to the strangers and they're scared to have a school year and just ask Aaron.

0:00:37The beginning of the year they're intimidated by you you're an authoritarian at the end of the year the badly behaved

0:00:42kids just like I know that person and they just are given off. OK so let's do some follow up.

0:00:49So let's talk about i Tunes on Windows and this was something that I did not know.

0:00:54So John you've got an interesting tweet in the last week or so.

0:00:57Yeah and obviously none of us know I think

0:00:59but I think on Windows because how many of us I think the last time I even saw it turns on Windows is probably like in

0:01:03my Windows X.P. Boot camp partition it probably made me install on some point and I've probably X.

0:01:09and I lost it when she wants

0:01:10but anyway chucker tweeted that Windows has a bunch of cocoa crap in it apparently there's an obscene D.L.L.

0:01:17and A core video to think or video business failure that you remember of course video is an object of the F.B.I.

0:01:23or The A.B.I. Marco.

0:01:25I've never even heard of it I mean their quick time care but I mean like what you're talking about like that

0:01:29and actually beyond just i Tunes for windows

0:01:32when they need safari for windows there was also a bunch of the stuff they poured over like the whole text system.

0:01:37Yeah which is which is why Safari rendered fonts on Windows the way Macs render fonts.

0:01:42Yeah so anyway I tend to run as has been progressing and obviously it's not stuck in the bad old days

0:01:48when it was I mean it was originally based off those like libraries that they had ported for a quick time for Windows

0:01:53but it has always expanded since then.

0:01:55From what I we've heard from various people who still use i Tunes on Windows despite it.

0:02:00Foundations being you know based partly on cocoa Objective C. Stuff it is still not a good app on Windows.

0:02:07So but it's an excellent app on the math people do not say that either.

0:02:11I mean obviously I see all the feedback that agrees with me

0:02:14but I don't what have you guys been seeing of like toward Twitter feedback an e-mail feedback about i Tunes I'd say I

0:02:20saw probably two thirds in favor of you

0:02:22and one third in our camp roughly would you say the same Arca I didn't really see much about this

0:02:29or that my Twitter stream isn't filled with other things recently

0:02:31but I think I you know I think another point to bring up here which isn't directly related

0:02:40but I think is relevant the way Apple software works on Windows first with Quick Time player back in the early days

0:02:46and then now that with i Tunes I want safari.

0:02:49It angers so many windows people I know they used to be one because it doesn't it doesn't work the way Windows software

0:02:55works it is not a good platform citizen it is not native.

0:02:58It is like you know an Apple Apple is dropped poorly on to Windows.

0:03:03It's always like this giant pile of hacks and windows people hate them.

0:03:07They absolutely hate and Geeks hate them and I think that actually contributes a lot to P.C.

0:03:11Users hatred of Apple sometimes because like you know the geeks have seen quick time player for years

0:03:18and all the crap it did and all the weird stuff it installed in the system tray thing

0:03:23and all this you know that's all the extensions it took and it was it was a really bad citizen.

0:03:28Sorry for Windows didn't catch on for many reasons

0:03:31but that is one of the many reasons that it didn't catch on to give a toll it looks like a weird gross very Who knows.

0:03:36Far for the mac somehow made to virtualize on Windows

0:03:39and they finally can the thing I was a couple years back that they stop developing it.

0:03:44Yeah I think I was about two years ago.

0:03:46Yeah I mean it which is a shame because Web Kit on Windows is definitely a viable thing to do.

0:03:50Chrome is popular and windows and chrome is not particularly windows like it is more Windows like and Safari was

0:03:56but it just goes to show that Apple could have had it.

0:04:00Viable browser on Windows if they weren't so married to making it look

0:04:03and act as close as possible as the mac version right down to the crazy text rendering that

0:04:07when this people hate it because it would use Clear Type it would use the mac fun rendering which look wrong to

0:04:13everybody who uses Windows. All right. Lightning cables.

0:04:18Apparently this is becoming the fall of the never ends we have some more into the clarification and damage causes

0:04:25and other things to talk about.

0:04:27Never did talk about warranties last time

0:04:28and I said you know if you have a lightning cable that's better something bring in the Apple Store maybe you know maybe

0:04:34I'm wrong but I didn't say what I hoped was clear it apparently wasn't.

0:04:39If you have something with bunny rabbit devices that goes wrong

0:04:42and it's still under warranty you can get a warranty replacement.

0:04:46Now in the case of cables it's still a gray area where if you brand something that was clearly chewed by a cat you are

0:04:51you are you know the mercy of the Apple genius that they want to be nice because I think like damage caused by

0:04:57intentional misuse

0:04:58or suddenly you know I could drop your i Phone in the water unless you had that special Apple Care Plus that gives you

0:05:04replacements anyway.

0:05:05There you know there are nuances to this

0:05:08but in general if you're within the warranty period yes by all means bring it in you'll almost certainly get something

0:05:12that what I was talking about is if you're not in the warranty period and you still have a broken cable

0:05:16and you feel I should have broken after you know a year and a half you can bring that in

0:05:20and they may give you a new one

0:05:22and we got some feedback here from Jim who said the genius of the genius at the apple bar you know what I mean that the

0:05:33standard rule is that you should bring it in before it fully splits like before the casing splits open because they're

0:05:39reluctant to replace it once it is split so it's better to take an early stake in if it looks like it's wearing out

0:05:43or whatever but then that's just one what one person said lots of other people said hey I bought it

0:05:47and it was totally mangled they gave me a new one or both of them

0:05:50and I was like five years old no problem gave me no you know lots of people saying they got new ones

0:05:54and it's not a big deal I don't think anyone wrote in to say they had they took it.

0:06:00A cable that was damaged and got turned away and you would think you would hear a couple of stories

0:06:05but they were it seems like if you have a damaged cable to go to the Apple store if you're under warranty

0:06:09or if you're nice or both You'll probably get a new one

0:06:12and for the damage caused all manner of people speculated about what might be causing it like ours aren't broken every

0:06:20else is our and we talk about pulling it out by the cable.

0:06:22Another common thing cited by a lot of people responding to us who a lot of people attributed this advice travel teens

0:06:29as well is don't use your Iowa's device while it's plugged in you know to the charger

0:06:33or whatever because obviously protection strain on the thing and I think one person I would hit save the tree

0:06:38but I didn't one person said they had taken to using their i Pad with a lightning cable plugged in the bottom with the

0:06:45i Pad resting on the lightning cables so I can you know in portrait orientation resting on the lighting cable that is

0:06:50not you know that's exactly what people like us are thinking like what are these children to their Cable who they

0:06:56arresting people when they read their book don't do that that's not that's terrible for the cable.

0:07:01Yeah yeah I just turned upside down you better want to research now into yet another beer and as you can do that

0:07:08and not every app supports that right because that's our intention that assets actually explicitly support

0:07:14and how about Cindy Shetty shooting. Yeah good job I'm glad you tried to pronounce that one.

0:07:21See I'm assuming said you're right about cable sheep being quote Johnny Ive situation well sort of tell me about this

0:07:27was a couple weeks ago saying you know it could be I was mostly joking

0:07:31but I'm saying it could be one of those situations where the string really looks nicer

0:07:35when it doesn't look like a traditional strain relief like the little you know concentric rings or ridges

0:07:40or whatever instead of cables is of a smooth for the thicker sleeve over the connector

0:07:46and we've got a link to a Reddit thread were some of that used to work for Apple claims that that is exactly the case

0:07:52but the basis of this claims of making these claims I can tell is not particularly Saudis as the saying industrial

0:07:59design run. Everything at Apple and he find a totally plausible that you know he says they just resign.

0:08:06Hartman hates how much strain really looks like a power adapter.

0:08:09They would much prefer to have a nice clean transition between the cable and the plug but it's not you know

0:08:13and that is I'm sure the engineering division gave every reason a robust range of relief should look like the little

0:08:18rings and I'm sure they got overwritten. So it's kind of like hearsay and speculation.

0:08:24Slightly more support because this person used the work of Apple

0:08:27and he's claiming to know that the industrial design department itself little ring pattern type thing.

0:08:32I don't know when I was reading this thing I was looking down on my headphones that are in my head now

0:08:36and they just happened to have a strain relief thing of the cable going into the headphone part.

0:08:41It looks like Apple is it because Sony's engineers hate the little rings too I think that thicker sleeve type thing is

0:08:48a vaguely plausible technique for strain relief.

0:08:50It's just not a sturdy is the ring thing because the Rings you know like

0:08:54when you bend at the Rings knock into each other and make sort of a smooth curve.

0:08:58But anyway I'm sure most of the doing here this is not new information then they know how many lightning cables are out

0:09:04there you know how many replacements they have to hand out. If it's a problem.

0:09:08They will you know address it by either continuing to give out free cables

0:09:12or maybe the next version will build a stronger will say yes whatever it's worth I have a large quantity of headphones

0:09:20within eyesight right now and I just took a look around as you were describing that

0:09:24and none of them have the little like Gap ridge pattern.

0:09:27All of them just have little cuts at best similar to the apple.

0:09:32And maybe it's like an expectation of like how much you know people don't expect to be yanking on the cable that goes

0:09:37into your headphones right. You know even if you're dancing around your head phone cables. I mean I don't like it.

0:09:43It's an expectation of you know what is what does a typical usage look like

0:09:48and I think Apple appears to have misjudged the stress and strain of typical usage of lightning cables.

0:09:55If our feedback is to be believed you need now kind.

0:10:00Sort of speaking of lightning cables Frank generally wrote in to you to say that you were slightly incorrect about an

0:10:08assertion you made regarding the cables. Tell me more about this information was correct it was incomplete.

0:10:13I said knowing how to orient an apple U.S.B. Connectors to look for the logo the logo faces up..

0:10:20If it's a horizontal connector an Apple device that is true that is also true for non-U.S. Apple U.S.B.

0:10:26Devices the logo facing up thing is a part of the U.S.B. Standard.

0:10:30So of course that doesn't mean that everybody does it because there are plenty of vaguely compliant U.S.B.

0:10:35Devices out there on the market as we all know sometimes they don't even fit in the plugs

0:10:40or they said they were going without the U.S.B.

0:10:42Standard not an Apple standard in fact I wonder if Apple is actually in violation of the standard because it doesn't

0:10:47embossed the little U.S.B. Logo just sort of prints it on their.

0:10:51I don't know I didn't actually read the thing in the Standard to see if it demands that it be in boss versus a printed

0:10:58thing. But but there you go it's not just Apple that will work for you everywhere.

0:11:01Excellent men were cruising to this follow up I was just a little bit more.

0:11:06There is a mac that is sold with an optical drive a lot of listeners came out of the woodwork to tell us that the

0:11:13thirteen inch MacBook Pro non retina just the thirteen inch MacBook Pro is still a thing.

0:11:19It still has a platter hard drive and it still has a onboard Super Drive.

0:11:25And actually I just noticed it's labeled in the specifications page as an eight X.

0:11:30Super Drive which just made me remember do you remember back in the days when they were just CD burners

0:11:36and there were like fifty two X. CD readers and they were like eight X.

0:11:40Burners and all man you thought you were so cool when you had like a fifty two X.

0:11:45Reader and you could you know load whatever you know when Commander three wax too old

0:11:49but you know I'm driving at you know one of these old CD based games in no time in the loading times for instance.

0:11:56Well John doesn't remember this but you remember this Marco I assume.

0:12:00The days well the loading times were an instant because first you hear the CD spin up

0:12:04and then spin a further they're all the needs.

0:12:10So everything would just freeze on your computer while this happened because I think I think this would be for more

0:12:17advanced busses I think at that time the type of ID

0:12:21but they put into one device would monopolize the whole bus still and which was later alleviated I think but

0:12:28but at that time it would and so they would like as you'd sit there hearing that whirlwind spin up and spin up

0:12:35and spin up everything would just lock on a computer all it happened was it was a great time for computers there was

0:12:40also the Kenwood one hundred X.

0:12:43Drive which used if I remember correctly seven lasers in parallel and a spinning speed or something like twelve X.

0:12:51and and I actually had one of these

0:12:53and it was a really nice drive because it was it was way quieter than all the other ones.

0:12:58But for whatever reason I never caught on probably just the complexity of it. Well you know the X.'s and like the two X.

0:13:03Five X. Fifty two X. Taht isn't at times the normal data rate for the one X.

0:13:08CD-ROM which assume it's like one hundred fifty killed by the second per X.

0:13:12Ray it's ridiculous so that's why an eight X. T.V. Is putting out way more data than a hundred X.

0:13:17CD because the data rate just you know from how much you get from a one expanding T.V.

0:13:22Day is yet a reset the rape D.V.D. I believe it's something D.V.D.

0:13:26Is something like nine times the CD Speed something like that and then I never heard interviews again.

0:13:31Yeah I remember just having a fifty two extra of the year I was so awesome in

0:13:35and especially since I had my first CD-ROM drive was when you're early on

0:13:39and it was actually was the term was a caddy where you put the CD in a plastic thing with a lid on it

0:13:47and then you stuck the plastic thing with the lid on it that had the CD inside of it into the CD-ROM drive

0:13:53and it was slower than dirt and I remember playing like where in the World is Carmen Sandiego on this

0:13:58and God It was so cool. Think This Was A three eighty six machine that we had and then we made it.

0:14:04How can fast my putting him after a processor on it. Man those were the days.

0:14:10The good time for us to appreciate Apple's U.R.L.

0:14:13Rotten on their website because that link for the thirteen inch MacBook Pro with an opposite Dr OF THE YEAR OLD Triple

0:14:18W. Apple dot com slash MacBook Pro slash specs that's the whole U.R.L.

0:14:23I checked like three times like that I put the wrong link in their MacBook Pro slash specs is the link to the one with

0:14:28the optical drive.

0:14:30The ones to the current MacBook Pros not were pro hyphen specs hype

0:14:34and retina weird so like they are not I mean normally they do replacement likes of the new MacBook Pros You know that

0:14:41like the O S ten gauge like there's a main temptation and like Flash preview or stand for the new version and

0:14:46when the new version is released you know Yosemite will just be a plain old flash I was ten or whatever the or else

0:14:51but somehow retina got stuck in your role and I didn't do for placement on it

0:14:55and they didn't manage to redirect what they need to they need to work on that at least there's no doubt a wall at the

0:15:02end of it with us do you think will be the last apple product to include a spinning disk

0:15:08and your choices are probably that MacBook Pro The Macmini the i Pod Classic

0:15:14or the IMAX the MacMini come about there was an option they were a spinning disk like a hard drive.

0:15:20I'm going to say the I'm back.

0:15:23Normally I would say the IMAX I think you're right I think the chaps all saying Mini I would actually vote for the i

0:15:30Pod Classic because the thing is just it's an undead zombie product it will never be killed if they just never get rid

0:15:36of it. Right you're right it will wear it will win for him to win by never ever changing but only if you're interested.

0:15:43Yeah

0:15:44and I could totally see them like you know the design in the next three to having drives are pretty large like physically

0:15:49and I can totally see them designing You know one or two generations from now

0:15:53and I'm back that is much thinner across the whole thing not without that big like pyramid in the back.

0:15:58Much thinner and.

0:16:00All solved a just just like a MacBook Pro and that's

0:16:03but that's what I think the Mini will go because his whole thing is it's small

0:16:06and you know it's you don't expected to have tons of internal storage sort of the whole as a stable like everything

0:16:12around smells like see it as like a terabyte drive three

0:16:15and half inch a terabyte drive you have an apples apples already not like do they even offer a four terabyte in the end

0:16:20I don't think they do it

0:16:21and if other three right I know that they're always like I'm going to like it there's going to be one machine left they

0:16:26can actually have that actually has enough room for a three and a half inch drive.

0:16:31It can be an activity it's a gated by the size of the screen I guess maybe about it think about bulge being so big that

0:16:37I have two point five inch drives in the car and i Phone You know they saw three

0:16:40and that's exactly I was going to ask those they say Sharon says this two point five in the current IMAX so I don't

0:16:46think that's true.

0:16:47I thought it was three people in the chat room Saturday

0:16:50and three people in a room are never wrong so do three terabyte hard disks at two point five inches exist I don't think

0:16:57they do. All right now that now is the sense in the chair on the phone we could look this up somewhere.

0:17:02I fix it I can only go so quickly.

0:17:05All right and I will move on

0:17:07and get that out you know if I'm right I'm to leave then of course you are that sure looks like a tear down it has a

0:17:14three

0:17:14and having to drive to me out it's already posted if this is the most recent one yet in the chat posted this link that

0:17:21clearly shows a three

0:17:22and a half inch drill I was with you I thought I was about to call you out say no I'm pretty sure they're in starters

0:17:28in the chat says two and a half in the twenty one inch IMAX and three and a half in the twenty seven.

0:17:32Well interesting you have failed me for the last time chat room. I'm sure that's a pop culture reference I'm missing.

0:17:40But anyway. Oh Lord yeah yeah let's move on. So speaking of follow up that never ends.

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0:18:08and this John Casey said that well if you were just a patient person you would have been OK

0:18:15and it will be in the coming months

0:18:16but let me tell you my seventy five seventy five Internet as I think it one of the e-mails of the original I don't know

0:18:23but I would assume so right.

0:18:25I'll just patiently let me repent publicly that I apparently that quote was from Star Wars now the Internet hates me

0:18:32even more than perhaps they might have so my mistake I'm sorry Internet. So you know who doesn't hate you.

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0:21:21OK so we had a request from a dear friend of the show Marilyn Manson and he had asked and I will quote him.

0:21:30I'd love to hear John's thoughts on the Tivo Romeo O.T. A who it's good for and why and is it worth it given the fee.

0:21:38Now I know nothing about Tivo so John can you start by explaining to me what makes the Tivo Romeo ot a different than

0:21:46other Chivas do you know that it's not pronounced Attah. We do not want to go at that. So it's not out yet.

0:21:53If I read a preview on C.N.N. That's the only information I have about this thing..

0:22:00That old Romeo's they're bringing for the current line of Tivo D.V.R. Go hard drive and it's going to C.P.U.

0:22:07It will record television that comes into your house like the name says get over the air that the capital T.

0:22:16Is thrumming anyway.

0:22:17Yes it gets over the air broadcast and it doesn't take in cable through either cable card

0:22:23or any I get it gets kind of innovation from an antenna over the air and that's all it does

0:22:31and it's interesting because I think this is the first Tivo since way back

0:22:34when since you know I may be the first version I don't remember the first series too

0:22:40and I've always had a hook at the cable so I don't remember what the old over the air analog stuff was like

0:22:44but this one does not take cable input and it's only fifty bucks for the box and it's little tiny box.

0:22:51It has a small hard drive fifty bucks you wouldn't expect much of the five hundred

0:22:54but our driver doesn't actually hold that much high def video.

0:22:58I guess for tuners which is nice because it used to be fourteen as was the top of the line so they're making some

0:23:02progress there and making the technology go down market and it costs fifteen dollars a month

0:23:09and I think from looking at the scene at Oracle I don't think there's a lifetime thing or other T.V. Shows.

0:23:15If you don't want to pay a monthly fee for the Tivo service you can just pay some upfront

0:23:22and if you plan on keeping it and using it for more than X.

0:23:24Number of years you can do the math and figure out what makes more sense for you.

0:23:28I always buy the lifetime stuff with my Tivo because I use them until they die

0:23:32and that haven't actually died yet so I use them until I buy a new Tivo.

0:23:36I use them until I have got my money's worth out of the lifetime service frequently

0:23:40but I don't think there's any life time services for developing So yes it's super cheap.

0:23:46But then you have to pay fifteen dollars a month or so.

0:23:51Who is a good forum why I think it may be a good for Tivo the company because it's a way to.

0:24:00At fifty dollars it will trip people into buying because it's like oh it's so cheap.

0:24:03You know that I'm a cord cutter I don't have cable service or whatever but I like to watch my local sports

0:24:09or whatever something else that I can get in a convenient way to get a fifty dollar box or hook it up to my T.V.

0:24:14I'll be able to record local sports games begin to use the same Tivo interfaces on the big fancy boxes which as we know

0:24:20the last show doesn't use Flash anymore it isn't horrendously slow which is nice and you know and they don't either.

0:24:26Don't think too much about it

0:24:27or figure they'll just you know stomach the fifteen dollars a month for a couple months to see if they like it

0:24:33and the reason I think this is good for Tivo is because once you get used to that experience like especially with cord

0:24:38cutters who used to you know firing up the Apple T.V.

0:24:40or Watching some of their around their i Pad Tivo is super convenient like once you hook it up to your television you

0:24:45stop using your television the way you used to and you get used to the convenience of having a built in D.V.R.

0:24:52Right there like it's a screen you go to when you want to watch television and there's all your stuff

0:24:56and you say why did the same thing with my Apple T.V. or I do the same thing with H.B.O.

0:25:01GO I guess you know the chemistry of that or shared password order

0:25:04but in my experience having used all these different kinds of ways to get video Tivo is the most like old T.V.

0:25:10or You said then if any television turn on and they're you know points out of the T.V.

0:25:15and There's your stuff and there's no booting and there's no launching

0:25:19and there's no waiting for it to wake from sleep in there's no doing any of the stuff even if it's not a fast sender

0:25:23because the world is a convincing sort of replacement for your television. That changes the way you watch T.V.

0:25:29and The reason I say this is good for Tivo

0:25:31and not for people buying this thing is because once you get used to this you're going to want to watch all your T.V.

0:25:37This way or any of any television that you watch on a television set.

0:25:41I really feel like a bunch people get used to watching a television like that that are going to turn on look for the

0:25:46show they want to watch and remember oh yeah I have to watch that on an Apple T.V.

0:25:50and I got to switch inputs and go over to the thing

0:25:52and then wait for the Apple hooey to wake from sleep in the little thing around.

0:25:55Hold on and then you've got to get back to a top level thing going to the app they want and then again i Tunes there.

0:26:00It's just it is you know it's not it's not a nice experience is Tivo

0:26:05and a tiny hard drive not going to hold that much stuff

0:26:09and fifteen dollars a month is just brutal so I can't imagine someone I would not recommend this box to anybody.

0:26:15If someone wants to record television that comes into their house in real time to time shift it for later.

0:26:21I would recommend they get the user cable company D.V.R. If they want to get something super cheap and terrible.

0:26:28A lot many people tell me they like their cable but I way it can be an expensive

0:26:32or they get a good Tivo I think this is like the thin edge of a wedge for TIVO just trying to say you know we think

0:26:38that if we're going to get our interface in front of people they will realize that it's a nicer way to watch television

0:26:43than almost any of the other alternatives

0:26:44and I agree with them it is better I watch most of my television on Tivo if I can help it.

0:26:48It is nicer than all the other ways I have to watch television.

0:26:52It's a shame this doesn't include the streaming stuff I don't know why cheaping out or whatever

0:26:56but like the fancy Tivo as have you can watch stuff you can transfer stuff to your i Pad

0:27:02and then take your i Pad like on a plane

0:27:04or watch something you pull if you Tivo you can watch it by streaming it over the network from your Tivo to yourself

0:27:08although the bandwidth required to do that with H.D.

0:27:11Video is very terrible I've done it a couple times but doesn't look great

0:27:15but they don't have those features built into the city dollar box you can buy the other much more expensive boxes like

0:27:19a Tivo stream or something that adds capability.

0:27:23ALWAYS a reason not to get this of the I box I don't recommend it for anybody

0:27:26but I do recommend if you have any interest and D.V.R.

0:27:29Us maybe care here's what I reckon is where you want to spend fifteen you know I saw a book so to two months for the

0:27:36fifteen dollars a month service plus if you know as for the thing you just might try it out if you like it.

0:27:41I recommend getting a good Tivo if you don't like it now your out box so what. Not a big deal.

0:27:46That's basically I have to say about this

0:27:48when I first saw this announcement whenever it was yesterday whatever it was at first I was like wow this is really

0:27:55thought about and then I realized first of all in the fifteen dollars a month is wild.

0:28:00Maybe one time have seemed fine

0:28:02and also compared to an entire cable subscription that people are paying compared to what some cable companies charge

0:28:08to rent their stuff that might seem reasonable but compared to what cord cutters are used to that's a lot of money.

0:28:14So I'm a quote cable cutter. I cancelled my cable service in like two thousand and six.

0:28:21Realizing that I was just not using it enough and I would rather spend that you know eighty bucks a month

0:28:25or whatever was the difference elsewhere and now that I've gone this long without traditional T.V.

0:28:31and You know so I get most of my show either through Netflix

0:28:33or buy them on i Tunes I have to Pirates of occasionally that I can't get any other way.

0:28:37It's very rare now it's almost always i Tunes in the flicks.

0:28:41None of these methods have commercials

0:28:43and none of these methods have like you know the broadcast stream the cross promotion crap you know starting a minute

0:28:49off all this all this crazy stuff that you deal with with T.V.

0:28:52Sometimes or all the time and so when I watch regular T.V.

0:28:57Like you know a family house or there's some like that when I watch regular T.V. It's it is terrible.

0:29:03Like I know I reckon this is a massive problem that disclaimer aside like it is a terrible experience

0:29:11and it's I look at that and I it's like oh make using Windows like I can't believe I ever thought that was normal

0:29:17and so I look at something like this and if if you were kind of person who is not who is not a cord cutter

0:29:23but you're thinking about cutting the cord and you you were looking at this as possibly a way to do it.

0:29:29Great that sounds you know that sounds like a reasonable idea.

0:29:33If you if you already been a cord cutter though I think this will be a lot like going back to visit your high school

0:29:39after you graduate if you going to feel like this is not a good idea. Now this is not like watching regular T.V.

0:29:45You don't have to see the commercials and everything I mean you do still to skip them.

0:29:48I know

0:29:49but it's not as bad as like the reason you were everything is sort of this is because there's something you're missing

0:29:54and I know I have to think that it's the local sports basically one

0:29:57but this is far right because everything else you can.

0:30:00Get or everything else requires cable because you know I go I want to I don't want to be a wash network T.V.

0:30:05I don't know maybe this is for someone who only watches network T.V. But the reason they have a D.V.R.

0:30:10Because you want to watch shows right now you don't want to wait for even twenty four hours.

0:30:14You just don't want to wait for them to appear on Hulu or Apple T.V.

0:30:16or Whatever they're going to hear or you know even H.B.O.

0:30:19Go you don't to be locked out of Game of Thrones because everyone slams H.B.O.

0:30:22GO because they try to broadcast simultaneously and it doesn't work right. I never had that problem.

0:30:26I watch Game of Thrones exactly when it airs. It's part of me that I pay for H.B.O. Right.

0:30:31So it's either because you want to watch.

0:30:32Now if you're super intelligent have a lot of disposable income

0:30:35or because there's something you literally can't get any place else like local sports because there's a local T.V.

0:30:40Blackout and all sorts of crap like that

0:30:42and so that's that's that's the market for this thing I just think even those people are going to be like Jesus Is it

0:30:49really worth I mean do you really have cable again maybe these days you can't get it. Maybe this is still cheaper.

0:30:54Like if you desperately want to see local sports

0:30:56or you can't be there for me you don't want to miss a single second of your favorite team right.

0:31:00Maybe this is the cheapest option. What else.

0:31:02Because the cheapest you can get a cable like it is a give me the most basic of all basic cable.

0:31:08You know like it was I mention a cable company's D.V.R. but Then I realized if you got a cable company's D.V.R.

0:31:13You have to pay for cable and how cheaply can you pay for cable. Probably more expensive than this.

0:31:18Yeah be obese a cable is usually about fifteen bucks a month.

0:31:21The use of a time even at all the fees and everything

0:31:23and it's pretty hard to get those kind of plans these fifteen dollars I would guess are like you couldn't get any cable

0:31:28television with any signal over your house of less than like forty dollars a month.

0:31:32That's standard cable done talking about basic There is almost always a level below standard.

0:31:37They don't really advertise very much but you can ask for.

0:31:39This is a level I had growing up which basically has the networks plus C O W G N N A couple other you know not not not

0:31:45a great selection. The problem I see with this is that it is you know compared to a cord cutter's pay for things.

0:31:52This is not expensive but it's mid priced I would say you know compared to everything else it's it's also though.

0:32:00Actually worse than that a real standard cable package and if you if you have any T.L.C.

0:32:06Antenna

0:32:07and you get enough reception like you can get most of the value of this for free you're just not getting the D.V.R.

0:32:13Part.

0:32:14Well yeah you know you're not going in the commercials all you're paying for is the commercials

0:32:18and in times shifting but that's like that's worthwhile speaking of you know that's the worst watching live T.V.

0:32:23when You can skip commercials like that is the real bottom event like the best you can do is mute during commercials

0:32:28like that is really going back to Windows to use your analogy.

0:32:31That's cool that the DAs have having to skip commercials. It's not so bad and depending I think it's the N.C.

0:32:38Shows don't even have them a commercial break for them without cable.

0:32:43I don't like I think if you like the experience of being able to time shift and being able to see the shows

0:32:50when you want to see them without having to wait another day or whatever and

0:32:53and frankly the reliability of you know of knowing that you're not going to get locked out of H.B.O.

0:32:58Go and you're not going to stream problems or whatever

0:33:00or you're not to be subject to stupid I a species you know throttling your Netflix ban with all sorts of other terrible

0:33:07things that are going on D.V.R. Is like this are still the most reliable way to get Tivo when you to get T.V.

0:33:15when You want it but I just think this is not a very good Tivo because it's so expensive monthly

0:33:20and if you like this like save save more money.

0:33:24I mean you can literally save more like you had to the math is that if you keep this thing to three years it's like the

0:33:29most expensive device Tivo sells because it's so much cheaper to just get one of the more expensive Tivo than to buy a

0:33:34lifetime subscription and keep it for more than three years.

0:33:37You know what I don't understand is if you were a cord cutter.

0:33:41Oftentimes I would imagine it's because you don't want to spend the money on something that you may not either enjoy

0:33:48that much or use that much or what have you.

0:33:51And so if you're in that mindset where you're either I don't mean frugal dismissively

0:33:58but I can think of a better word so for.

0:34:00All in or whatever whatever the reason is your cost sensitive and then you're done.

0:34:06Then people saying well actually now that you saved money by cutting the cord Why don't you pay us fifteen dollars a

0:34:11month for something that really doesn't have that much benefit other than maybe skipping commercials

0:34:20and maybe doing a little bit of time shifting but to me if I'm in that mindset of I'm trying to save money

0:34:25and that's my priority then obviously through the damn commercials it's really not that big a deal.

0:34:31You can't go back to seeing through commercials. Just you just can't all I do it I have a D.V.R.

0:34:36I do it all the time I can't do it anywhere.

0:34:40Like the other Avengers give you the four tuners if you just watch network T.V. They are a bunch O.

0:34:44Be able to give us your grandparents or something and all their watches network T.V.

0:34:47and I have a couple theory shows that as time conflicts to solve the problem right there and you can too.

0:34:52You can tune to all four of the O.T.

0:34:54Eight channels you can actually receive and record them all the same you can you can see all of your T.V.

0:34:58At the same time. That's a problem.

0:35:01It's applying a great feature set to what most people consider a woefully inadequate input.

0:35:07But even people who watch network T.V. Shows regularly they probably also watch cable networks at least one.

0:35:14There's also other things they want to see like that.

0:35:16That's why I'm thinking like this won't appeal to people who like to like T.V. Too much we cancel cable.

0:35:22It won't kill them and it will appeal to cord cutters because it is both too expensive and not good enough.

0:35:30But they spent in this is hidden like the only reason I think this is an interesting product at all is because they

0:35:34chose to price it a fifty dollars as the only reason that worth discussing.

0:35:38Because I think that will get people to try it

0:35:41and I think Tivo is just hoping that they'll try it will get a little bit of money out of them.

0:35:47They've probably calculated the fifteen dollars a month will make up the part of the thing cost more than fifty bucks

0:35:51to make I'm sure. Right so they will get the money at him from our outrageous monthly fee.

0:35:56Maybe a couple of people we will convert to you know I will.

0:36:00Terrible but I will I will get cable again of my interest too with this instead of whatever it was before.

0:36:06All right so let's talk about something else. Let's talk about version numbering.

0:36:13And today we had a little bit of news in so far as there's a new release from our friends at likeability

0:36:23and we're probably going to talk about that in just a few minutes.

0:36:25But Brian Capps from likability wrote a very interesting and relatively brief post on version numbering

0:36:33and I thought it was a really good post because in summary what Brian had said was you know the version numbering

0:36:42especially for major versions.

0:36:45You really don't need a decimal or even multiple decimals when you're on version three of an app just hypothetically.

0:36:55It doesn't need to be three dodo. It doesn't need to be three dodo. It can be just plain three.

0:37:01And I just thought I'd never really thought about version numbering this way until I read this post

0:37:06and I thought it was a really interesting take on things

0:37:10and I would definitely love to hear Marco what your two cents is about this

0:37:16and how do you handle these sorts of things for overcast.

0:37:18That's a good question so I stress a lot about aversion numbers for Instapaper

0:37:24and I I would like you know hold features like I have a big two point two coming out soon I better hold back this good

0:37:30feature.

0:37:31Even with overcast like there's a great feature that I that I finally figured out how to do recently

0:37:37and I thought you know should I actually save this for to point out some mystery point in the future

0:37:43and you know maybe you know get people to pay again for something or something and I thought well

0:37:47and I I realized you know that that was a bad idea.

0:37:52But various reasons but I think the version numbers need to exist for technical reasons.

0:38:00You know that there has to be some kind of identifier for the version for the programmers.

0:38:04But what you exposed to users and to your marketing efforts is of course up to you.

0:38:10I think it's very important to consider version numbers that you're going to be publicizing as marketing.

0:38:16It's part of a marketing message and it probably matters less than you think.

0:38:21Most of the time like so smitten

0:38:23or because of a version of one of the three that have semantic meaning to programmers it means that the base version is

0:38:29one point No it is not a major update because it isn't one point one it's one point of a point three So it's a minor

0:38:35update probably mostly bug fixes not a lot of new features if any so that means something to nerds like us it doesn't

0:38:42mean crap to regular people.

0:38:44You see like if you if you see the version numbers for Facebook or chrome that the Facebook app on i OS

0:38:51or chrome they're comical they're just meaningless numbers and we you know did make fun of them

0:38:56and a Facebook like version twelve point oh change log bug fixes. OK.

0:39:03Rumor that Chrome is like at version two hundred seventy three thousand something and it's like you know Kroger's

0:39:09and commence the base number and you know the fact is they don't really matter to almost anybody.

0:39:17The very very few people. Sorry I was correct in the chat room.

0:39:22The current version of Chrome is thirty eight point zero point two one two five point two four day of sixty four bit.

0:39:27Core not of not great for marketing not not a very you know human readable version

0:39:32but it doesn't matter if you're going to make a major update.

0:39:36Yeah it makes sense to to do you know a new version that that carries meaning to people

0:39:40and that is how you can base your marketing right like it makes it easier for marketing.

0:39:47If you cluster together big releases

0:39:50or big changes into these big like you know whole number releases I think is also that are going to be made which I

0:39:56believe because some of the first mission is a million to John. One of the kids he reached out to her that much.

0:40:02No I don't. Yes I got it right.

0:40:04So Jon Lester put the infant version one that would post in court

0:40:08and could put this in the show notes I haven't read this post

0:40:11but I have a feeling I could figure out what it's about from the title which is does it really matter what version

0:40:16you're ever on.

0:40:17Just keep adding features whenever you can and that's not quite what it's about it's actually pretty old posts

0:40:22but I went to like a thousand times because it's one of those trends that I think some people have seen coming away I

0:40:30mean this is like two thousand and eleven.

0:40:32Like I've been in favor of N Sync going for a long time but other people are either blind to or are

0:40:37or are against because it's different right.

0:40:40The App Store in some ways is kind of holding us back from this because in the App Store if you want to charge money

0:40:47like Markos just alluding to before if you decide you want to charge money for Tweedy you have to you have to market it

0:40:54differently like you have today twenty two

0:40:56and I suppose to be might not necessarily be a version number it could be like a roman numeral like a sequel of a movie

0:41:01sequel

0:41:02but you are forced to do something marketing wise to differentiate the new version from the old one because you want to

0:41:08charge money for it again because is no upgrade pricing so that is possibly keeping versioning alive.

0:41:14That and the fact that apps don't auto update that exist to write it I was they still don't know out there by default.

0:41:20I don't promise you it wants you to tell them to auto update

0:41:23but I don't think it does a by default so I correct anyone thought it was by default.

0:41:28If it does but I can never keep track with it I think the mac doesn't do

0:41:31or maybe I was Does not the way I think that's right.

0:41:33Well the coding Harpo's is about is what chrome did is you have no choice if you run chrome and you

0:41:39and you ever quit chrome and relaunch it like Evil up to his health.

0:41:42It had been quietly downloading in a bid to itself the next time you launch it will install that update.

0:41:47Doesn't really bother you too much about it used to be a little bit more intrusive

0:41:51and give you more options to deferred or maybe say no chrome is going to update it self

0:41:55and this I think is exactly the right strategy for web browsers today.

0:42:00Because you just want to you don't want to get into a situation where the just all versions of the IS can't get people

0:42:06off if we drop support for X. People still use it and or we extend support for experiences.

0:42:11It's terrible like you need browsers to be up to date

0:42:13and so Google's approach is if you are in Chrome we'll shove the current version down your throat.

0:42:18Just deal with it right and as the infinite versions like do you have chrome.

0:42:23It's not what you have yes I have grown what is chrome Chrome was whatever Google says it is now

0:42:27and it will get good will change over time Inc and Google has no problem will totally change the U.I.

0:42:32Will move menu commands around to drive some people nuts drives me nuts

0:42:34and I'm trying to get us to a bell out of the menu bar for the millionth time that is the correct approach.

0:42:39Not to the U.I.

0:42:40Obviously

0:42:40but for the rendering engines like that's the correct approach for the web I wish every browser updated itself like

0:42:45Chrome as a web developer because they would have to deal with that anymore because everyone would be infinitely

0:42:49updated to Chrome thirty seven inch i think it lays stable thirty eight is like the canary thing maybe thirty seven is

0:42:54beta thirty six is main point is I don't want to know how does one know you've got chrome then I think then you have

0:43:00the latest from and there are you know there's different channels to get you know more bleeding edge crimes

0:43:03but in general that is a much nicer place to be now is that the appropriate versioning technique for every single

0:43:09application maybe not today

0:43:11but I think in the future that is a much more viable approach from user's perspective because usually users hate

0:43:16upgrades they don't want to do them and it's kind of like kind of like autosave where you like

0:43:20but But what if I wanted to keep the old version I don't want you shoving the new version demo third involve blood

0:43:24exactly the same thing people say but I want to say that we like

0:43:27but what if I don't I just want to speculative we make changes I don't want to do our Maggie seven want to manually the

0:43:31save button but nobody says that about Iowa.

0:43:33Nobody says I need a save button a notepad sometimes a speculative type things into my note that I don't need a button

0:43:39to save it. Don't autosave No it's just something that used to all of us will die.

0:43:43Future people think it's crazy that we ever had to push a button to manually update our software

0:43:48and just be excepted as the way things are

0:43:49and at that point you know the version number can just be a random string of letters doesn't matter just the unique can

0:43:56be they could be use you you ids for version Oh who cares. Like it's totally pointless.

0:44:02So that's where I think we're going.

0:44:04And hemming and hawing over whether it's three point two or three is kind of pointless.

0:44:09And if the only thing that matters about versioning now and the app store is like Marco said for marketing purposes

0:44:14and then developers can pick revenue market and believe me nobody

0:44:17but us ever looks at that number that's unlikely text next to Facebook that I read the release notes they just you know

0:44:22if it's all updated by default they just know there's a blue dot next to

0:44:24and they don't know what that means an attack on it

0:44:26and it goes away doesn't even get the bleed out of the tunnel it didn't get the you know married out but

0:44:31and you know like what what Brian's point was in this article was was not the version numbers should go away

0:44:36but that we should care about the version numbers and presented nicely to people.

0:44:40When is when it's significant

0:44:41and I think that's not I don't think that's that's that's that important like I think you don't present a version

0:44:48number to people you present the product name to people and tweet to it a product name

0:44:52and is that to a version number who knows who and who cares.

0:44:55Right exactly and furthermore like is twenty two still a product name a month after it's out

0:45:00or do you know it is just tweet event tweet to one point oh the first version of tweets I don't know what they are

0:45:08getting getting tangled up in version numbers is something that really only we like I guess continue if you ask a

0:45:14random person that they know the version number.

0:45:15Any apps on our phones

0:45:17and you know they have no idea in fact the only reason Marco probably knows a version number is his own apps you know

0:45:23pretty much tell me what nobody know and we have

0:45:25and we look at the release not like I do manual updates I turned on the little disclosure thing to say with a change so

0:45:31I can see that one thing that the bug fixes

0:45:33or whatever then like I actually read that I don't know the version numbers.

0:45:37It's interesting to me that over the last few years it's gotten to be important to consider you

0:45:45or else we were just talking about this with Apple earlier and you having clean

0:45:50and easy to understand your L's has gotten pretty important

0:45:56and maybe I'm going to write it what do you think gotten pretty important to me.

0:46:00But I do think this is a recent development in the last few years maybe I'm looking at this through a very Microsoft

0:46:05Developer lens

0:46:06but you know in years past especially in the Microsoft community having these god awful your L's with Dot S.P.X.

0:46:12On the end of it all over the place and just why was nobody but you.

0:46:16But yeah that's always been Grosso there believe may well have been important from day one on the Web The I agree with

0:46:22you Microsoft has historically not considered that to be the case but we've all been laughing at them.

0:46:27Well OK and I think it's more than just Microsoft.

0:46:30Do you remember when When what was it the exclamation hash that Twitter was doing. Did I get that right.

0:46:37Yeah yeah that was because they didn't they didn't start their browser didn't support history push state

0:46:41and so they had they use this crazy thing

0:46:43and yeah they were there was like six months where every major Web site started doing the bang hash thing went with the

0:46:48EXACT of javascript as as I go and everything all encompassing framework for their site it was a very dark time.

0:46:54That was worse than fifty two actually rom drives on our website just say you know what's Grier you're going to be

0:46:59using Brazee have the support history

0:47:01but I think I think even I hate supports that you know that you know I do that kind of hacking

0:47:04or that's why everyone's using Chrome because we could've all been a bit of that center the one I always think of is

0:47:10the hilarious city desk here

0:47:12or else the joke still has a little daughter here is that I think you know I don't want to pick on the Greek in those

0:47:19guys over there with like their windows.

0:47:22The people founded by someone who spent a lot of his formative years in Microsoft and I don't know if it's cause

0:47:28and effect or just a correlation

0:47:30but can you imagine anybody who is sort of an apple nerd apple into this camp ever like choosing that as a you or L.

0:47:40Structure even if like forget about your personal web site where you know I can too and everything.

0:47:43If you're making a product for other people to you you would still be like I don't want people to use my product

0:47:48and have the euro look like this but Joe was like Good good to go thumbs up I think he got shamed into changing

0:47:53and changing the Urals in the software so they're not quite as ugly and I can't even imagine that was an easy change.

0:48:00Like whatever reason it was that way which I I assume the reason it was that way at first was that file names would

0:48:06sort in order because this would be for any of us did natural number sorting and it's filed on our database back

0:48:14and I assume it's just so they could have a big zero padded number that he wouldn't comment because he's a Windows user

0:48:19doesn't sound like he wanted to do like aspirin to have present zero fifty two.

0:48:25Well I did anyway the point I'm driving at is looking at this from a Windows developer's point of view.

0:48:32Rest rest could style your L's got popular I don't know four or five years ago maybe a little more that now

0:48:38and all of a sudden all the Windows developers Windows web developers were like Oh holy crap we should kind of take

0:48:43your all seriously

0:48:44and so over the last few years it again from my point of view over the last few years it got to be really important

0:48:51have really clean your L's and it's interesting to me that that same care are put into your L's

0:48:59and sweating of the details.

0:49:01Those of us who do native applications just didn't really have a similar amount of care for version numbering

0:49:07and I think that Brian's point was just hey we should care about this and this is marketing.

0:49:13It's it can be important to some users and you should you should give a crap and I think that was mostly his point.

0:49:19Who most people care about hurting over this I want to share

0:49:22and point out the MCAS had a longstanding tradition of the three section version of us are major minor and patronage

0:49:26and are major and minor and update

0:49:28or whatever like a down to the the old version resources that are in force that the finder would render by reading

0:49:33their resource and parsing them

0:49:35but there's always been kind of a convention like back in the Apple days there was a version numbers of letters in them

0:49:43so you could that you could have D. Releases which was before altho it had a little a in a name and then B.

0:49:48Would have a visa one point oh you know three year or one point five and sometimes you get an R.C.

0:49:54or An app see thrown in there that it's are all like little idioms and conventions among developers that I.

0:50:00Most users don't have any interaction with

0:50:01but I still think there was care it's not like there was a filename extension it was like one point zero point five

0:50:06that a S.P.X.

0:50:08when You know that that was the worst things of the the worst of the year old in the web was where you would expose the

0:50:14implementation of the web application through an extension in the U.R.L.

0:50:18As if that had any meaning to anything except for your crappy server software.

0:50:21Right like that is the people on the other end of it. Care that it's like a dot asp or dot org dot C.G.I.

0:50:28Like they don't care they don't care what technology used to implement this that that's not entirely true because a lot

0:50:35of people would see slash pages slash something about S.P.X.

0:50:39and They would immediately say Oh that's your point this is going to suck some of that

0:50:43and there was nothing like early early proxy servers would be like well I won't catch anything has that C.G.I.

0:50:50In the oral and all sorts of stupid crap like that it's it's it's the same exact thing as fun

0:50:54and extended anyplace else you are you are overloading your your inlining information into another location because you

0:51:00feel like there's no other place to put it only H.T.T.P.

0:51:02There is totally another place to put it

0:51:04and this piece of information doesn't need to put it anywhere because doesn't matter to anybody except for the server.

0:51:08So it's just stupid and people should not manage that you're all space as if it's as if it's invisible

0:51:14and that the open question of whether that should be visible at all

0:51:17and we'll talk more about that if you're somebody is released I suppose but have we talked about it once

0:51:21when Chrome tried to do that thing to replace the address bar with the thing that doesn't show the address anymore.

0:51:27Oh it was the it was with the awesome bar something right and that was Firefox. Now it's like it was like a U.R.L.

0:51:33They call the U.R.L. Chip it was chrome canary That's right yeah. Might still be there I turned it off.

0:51:40So speaking of look at billet he Marco's anything else you'd like to tell us about these guys as a matter of fact.

0:51:44Yes So we had a last minute sponsor drop out in a few occasion this week.

0:51:50And like literally about an hour before we recorded the show we went to Twitter and said hey anybody want a spot

0:51:56and our friends a likability jumped at it they were the very first ones through. We want to. We will take it.

0:52:02And the reason they were they took it is because there are some people looking billet he is three guys to Matthew

0:52:07Bishop Brian Capps who we just mentioned wrote the article and Andrew Harrison I've definitely hung out with Matthew

0:52:13and Brian a lot. I think in your ears and I saw his Twitter picture inside it looks he looks familiar.

0:52:18I'm pretty sure I've met him. Possibly a New York Times I went with the other two.

0:52:22Anyway Matthew Bishop used to be at the New York Times he's now a tumbler brain caps I believe still is of the New York

0:52:30Times. I mean from wrong. And Andrew Harrison you have not I seen him somewhere so probably the New York Times.

0:52:38These are really great guys and if you follow what they do online you can see that yourself.

0:52:43If you see their work you can see it even more.

0:52:45I mean these are the people who actually wrote the New York Times that

0:52:48and Matthew now works on the tumblr app like these are really high quality high skilled people.

0:52:53And I even talked about on debug how if I was if I was going to hire another programmer I would try very hard to hire

0:53:00Matthew Bishop our probably couldn't get him.

0:53:02But this is how good these people are and what they've chosen to do in their free time.

0:53:06Is a company called like ability and look ability has this after called quote book and quote book version three.

0:53:14There's no thought in that there's no zero there's no large number there's no meaningless number book version three was

0:53:20released today in the App Store so just by coincidence they released a giant new version.

0:53:25It's been eight months in the making. It's a complete redesign and rewrite from the ground up.

0:53:30And just by coincidence they released that today where is the record and that's why they decided to buy the spot.

0:53:34So quote Book three is a universal app for i Phone and i Pad that lets you collect quotes that matter to you

0:53:41and share them anywhere.

0:53:43You can call it you know lines for movies lines from books song lyrics crazy stuff you hear in real life from your

0:53:49friends and family even clips from Twitter you can even save tweets directly into it.

0:53:55All these things are perfect and you can use quote book for all of your quotes are sync via i Cloud.

0:54:00All your devices and I trusted God to to do to do i Cloud right because I know they care a lot and they tested a lot.

0:54:07I was in the beta today.

0:54:08You should see the things they sweat about it the details they worry about are stunning like they really have they have

0:54:18the attention to detail that we wish Apple actually had that we sometimes always has but a lot of times Apple doesn't.

0:54:26They have attention to detail with their stuff.

0:54:29So anyway quotes that are saving quote book three to have an author a source a rating

0:54:35and tags so you can do all sorts of great organizational

0:54:38and search options on these so for example you can say show all quotes about Apple show all quotes from John Syracuse.

0:54:46That's just one tap in the interface to do stuff like that. The app is localized into four languages.

0:54:51It's fully accessible via voice over another accessibility options.

0:54:55All the good stuff you expect from high quality after fell apart is so new in version three also they you can now add

0:55:02images and descriptions to authors

0:55:03and sources you can probably have like you know Little John Syracuse ahead on ON HIS NAME there.

0:55:09They can even pull information and pictures for your authors

0:55:12and sources automatically from Wikipedia if you'd like because Pretty cool it this way.

0:55:16Come on these this kind of feature is like that's just awesome.

0:55:21This is what happens when you take people who are extremely talented at what they do

0:55:26and you give them what is inferior a relatively simple database app and this is what this is how they do it.

0:55:33It's pretty crazy. All the Polish they put into this all the all the awesome feature they put into this.

0:55:39They have really as I said they swear the details like crazy.

0:55:43More things you can autocomplete author's sources and tags from within the app your contacts

0:55:48and your music library so it scans all these data sources on the phone for auto complete information so that as you're

0:55:53typing error completed it's not doing anything creepy

0:55:56or anything like sending it to anybody it's just a local app uses that i Cloud so be it.

0:56:00These are good people doing good stuff here.

0:56:02Let me see what else they can import quotes from your tumblr posts

0:56:05and your Facebook profile so you can ask him to start with you can start organizing things you've already posted.

0:56:11Really great stuff you're good on board experience we talk about those for a whole episode as well.

0:56:16You can then share your quotes after you save them or look them up later you can share them to Facebook Twitter

0:56:21or tumbler and day one now already section even works so it will detect quote on your clipboard from my books

0:56:29and he will even extraction parse the relevant book

0:56:32and author automatically So if you you know hit something my books and i Books a quote switch over to a quote book

0:56:38and it will recognize all that stuff for you. Anyway this is really great.

0:56:43Go to quote book app dot com Once again it is quote book after com download the app

0:56:49or just search for a quote book one word in the App Store.

0:56:52It's five bucks and I can tell you this is worth every penny.

0:56:54These are you know I was going to say I wish these guys would do even more apps but I'm not a participant of this one.

0:57:03It's just man I just want to keep doing this like it's again it's a concept you know the idea of an app to save quotes

0:57:11and sounds simple but there are so many ways that it could have been done with mediocrity.

0:57:16And they did such an incredibly awesome job with it

0:57:20and they have such great values such Freetown it really shows through.

0:57:23So anyway thank you very much to look at military response in our show for a quick look at a quote book after come

0:57:29or look up cookbook in the App Store where we really appreciate and jump in in the last minute like that.

0:57:36All right we got a question from a listener regarding the pod cast patent troll

0:57:43and the question was basically why the crap aren't you three talking about this.

0:57:48I can't verbalize my feelings about it other than I think it's crummy but I don't know John

0:57:54or Mark aware of every one of you added this to the show would you care to explain why you didn't want to talk about it.

0:58:00Now I put it in there and I think well first to recap what it is.

0:58:03There is some patent troll out there that personal audio that thinks they have a patent on my i Pod casting basically

0:58:10if you're doing anything that looks like a podcast we have the patent on that

0:58:14and you were never thought to do it without our hard work and we deserve to be paid.

0:58:17Above all volatile right

0:58:19and they're going after lots of the repond cash is one of the ones they went after with Adam Carolla who was a very

0:58:23popular podcast.

0:58:25It's the world's most popular but I guess is very popular anyway and they did a big lawsuit

0:58:29and he raised a bunch of money along with the FAFSA help me fight off this patent troll he raised like half a million

0:58:35dollars he was going to loss it with them.

0:58:37They decided to drop the suit for whatever reason I think they might have thought that like if they didn't have as much

0:58:42money as he thought they dropped it in a way that they can file it again.

0:58:47For a little while look like he was going to try to continue the fight anyway but basically they both bailed out.

0:58:53They both reserve the right to go back at it again in the future if AFA still trying to get their patent invalidated

0:59:00which this is a sane world should be easy because their patent is dumb in this point in terms of prior arts hopefully

0:59:05that will go well.

0:59:06So the question for the listener is why haven't we talked about this and I think the reason is that well

0:59:13and we're going to go I talk about patents a ton

0:59:17and basically I'm not in favor of any patents on anything so anything that has to do with patents is kind of like

0:59:24and I can argue about this but you know it's all been there.

0:59:27What's your position as I think patents shouldn't exist next question right so I think that Marco has a similar anti

0:59:33patent stance maybe not as severe as mine. No it's the same. Yeah.

0:59:38And so like so that's we're not going to get into the nuances of this type of thing

0:59:42and so we all think this patent trolls terrible they think patents are about.

0:59:46Casey what do you how do you feel about patents. I don't think I have nearly a strong opinion about it.

0:59:51Certainly I don't think software patents should be a thing. I think that's kind of insane.

0:59:55Regular patents I haven't really put enough thought into into it to come to any.

1:00:00Your conclusion

1:00:01but I don't know that's a very good non-answer I suppose the real reason we haven't talked about it though is because

1:00:09the patent system is so absurd and ridiculous that there's nothing to talk about.

1:00:12Like if they decide to come after us we're screwed.

1:00:15Right

1:00:15and that's true of anybody because the patent to litigate a patent case cost way more than half a million dollars of

1:00:20that and grow

1:00:21and actually go through with this case like if they hadn't dropped that he would have needed to raise millions of more

1:00:25dollars.

1:00:26Even when you're in the right

1:00:27and usually you don't get your legal fees back because they all have these things take place in some east Texas Texas

1:00:32court that's incredibly favorable to patent trolls

1:00:35and it's just it's a terrible rigged system that punishes everybody

1:00:40and you know there's there's no point in discussing it like that you know it's like why don't we discuss whether we

1:00:46have struck by lightning struck by lightning. We're dead you know there's nothing you can do about it right.

1:00:50Became but little lightning rods on so the patent system is terrible hopefully we are small enough

1:00:55and all over come after us if they do we're screwed. We all hate patents the end the interesting thing about this case.

1:01:02One of these things about this case is it really what appears to have happened you know the patent is not from somebody

1:01:09familiar with podcasting the patent.

1:01:11If I remember correctly from a write up on ARS forever ago I believe it was something like some guy was like sending

1:01:16cassette tapes through the mail. Watch.

1:01:18Yeah it's even it's bogus it within the realm of even if you believe totally in patents you would look at this new bit

1:01:24like why would they want money for everything just podcast.

1:01:27It's that it was updated I think to not be tapes in the mail

1:01:30and all like whatever doesn't emit like that's why it doesn't matter to argue about the nuances of this if you believe

1:01:35patent as a concept shouldn't exist who cares about the nuances like that's why I don't really have any interest in

1:01:41like well that about tapes

1:01:43or about this summer like it's just bogus like even if he had exactly come out with it with the entire concept of

1:01:48podcasting.

1:01:50It's stupid because I've never heard of him until he started suing people so obviously I get the idea about getting

1:01:55from him oh you got it from the person who got a from the person who got a man like I don't care they don't I don't

1:01:59they don't think they deserve. Any money.

1:02:00That's not how by why I wish the world worked a little the way our legal system works so we just basically shut up

1:02:05and hide right.

1:02:06Marlice pretty much him because you're right like it is it is pretty much a crap shoot with with you know patent patent

1:02:13lawsuit threats from patent trolls or even the term patent trolls thrown around here

1:02:19and there's a lot of you know scapegoating and over patent trolls are a problem.

1:02:22No not really patent a problem and it doesn't matter who owns them.

1:02:26Patents themselves are the problem and even even

1:02:29when used entirely in the way that peoples like storybook version of what they think patents are for protecting some

1:02:36small inventor even when used in that exact quote intended way by people who are really making things supposably

1:02:44and really need protection even then they don't work.

1:02:48Even then they're a net loss on society and that story is so rarely even the case.

1:02:54And all the other times there used are way worse than that but the problem is not trolls.

1:03:00The problem is patents

1:03:02and because of the way our civil legal system is set up in the US You know like if you're attacked by somebody with

1:03:10with with an actual filed lawsuit

1:03:13or the threat of filing a final lawsuit there's pretty much nothing you can do except comply with whatever settlement

1:03:21offer they make you and give the money it's it's really quite quite a racket

1:03:27but there's nothing more anybody can really intelligently do because well you do fight it

1:03:33and you know lose hundreds of thousands if not more millions it will cost you millions of dollars to win a patent yet

1:03:40it actually goes like a trial then you're really screwed

1:03:42but even just to begin to fight even just to begin a lawsuit you will lose all of your money you will lose tons of time

1:03:52you will lose all motivation to work and to do anything. And for what. You know like it's a terrible system.

1:04:00It is if anything in this country is a tax on innovation more than the lack of the government health care.

1:04:07It's the patent system.

1:04:08It's is so incredibly destructive to innovation and is so destructive to small companies

1:04:15and large companies actually to small companies just feel it more and think.

1:04:20And so this is a horrible thing however this particular case I don't think I was

1:04:25and I'm not qualified to talk about because I don't know the much about it

1:04:28and it's you know I agree with John it's not really any different than any other case I think it would have been great

1:04:33if.

1:04:35And his his people succeeded in invalidating the patent because I believe that's what they were going for like they

1:04:42wanted to fight it in court and to win the suit

1:04:44and the reality is part of the court of I mean I don't blame them for selling something like Oh we give you half a

1:04:48million dollars He just spent all that money getting to the point now where they can you know get out of it like the

1:04:54suit was dropped.

1:04:55The company reserves the right to file suit again

1:04:58but it seems that the company has a side of this is not enough money to be had there whatever.

1:05:02But that has an art of the nation I believe is still going forward with the Patent Office itself

1:05:06and saying you can you can like go to the patent office

1:05:08and say we think this patent is invalid you go through this crazy byzantine process to try to get it out

1:05:13and I think you have to still doing that independent about it Carol and aurally.

1:05:17So we can only hope that like the patent troll that Pantra probably have fifty more hands that they can throw out

1:05:24but we can only hope that this handrail by raising its head above

1:05:26and like picking on somebody with that with a microphone

1:05:28and some publicity has caused the best decide to go after them

1:05:33and you know hopefully they get punished for being publicly terrible instead of probably Terrell Cole like a lot just

1:05:38for example you know you mean like Nathan Myhrvold Intellectual Ventures. Yeah all those guys.

1:05:43Let's Lena let's call it right out there. Yes.

1:05:47Babs you know I forget how much I really hate this stuff until we bring it up again

1:05:51and listen to that episode hypercritical or episodes of hypercritical more time to get myself all fired up.

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1:09:12So Marco you recently posted a large headphone review is there anything to add about that

1:09:18or pretty much self-contained.

1:09:20That's pretty much self-contained I did I did face a little bit of a problem with with with this review which was for

1:09:27you to talk about how you're being ridiculous about in your monitors.

1:09:31No actually the problem I have with this which is really boring and madness

1:09:34and too much time on it is where do you put it on the site.

1:09:38Because what I've done in the past like I've I've mostly just you know made blog posts here

1:09:44and there with you know here's here's what I think of this pair headphones

1:09:47or here's my current recommendations this one I just I decided that I'm going to make it the only page I can update

1:09:54continuously because you know blogs always have a problem with like.

1:10:00Actually the old content how do you make all content useful How do you how do you deal with all the content out of date.

1:10:05You know do you go back and edit and put the headers

1:10:07and all that saying this is an out of date go here for an updated version you know like there's all sorts of challenges

1:10:11there.

1:10:12I decided rather than doing all that I'm going to have like one continuous look at a page

1:10:15and that was even more boring than I expected so that's pretty much it's all I got.

1:10:20That's funny bring it up because when I looked at market.

1:10:22Org I noticed that your very long headphone post was very very short but it was a link post

1:10:31and so I thought to myself well weird I guess he added some sort of like read more functionality to his to second crack

1:10:39because to my knowledge that didn't exist at the time and then I clicked the link post to your own post

1:10:46and realized oh you just had this as a singular file or singular U.R.L. Just sitting off the route.

1:10:52And and I did notice that and it did take me by surprise that that's how you handle it

1:10:56and then once I saw what you had done it made perfect sense why you had done it that way I don't think it ever because

1:11:01I totally I saw that too.

1:11:03That was not the way I wanted

1:11:04and what I would have done what I can understand the reason he did above what I would have done is made the new posts

1:11:09like just as a regular long post and then gone back into all my old headphone posts and put is the very first line.

1:11:16This is old you should go look at the new one here something nice that you know that because I don't like the idea of

1:11:23updating an old article to say well these you know ten years ago these were this was the head Von this is what I

1:11:30thought of all the new ones that are available

1:11:31but this has a lot of google groups because a lot of people cling to it over the years.

1:11:35So if you engineer from Google you know I don't want you to see that I want you to see my new review.

1:11:41I rather leave what I wrote as a sort of historical document at that U.R.L.

1:11:45and Then just have a constantly updated redirect.

1:11:48Like not a reader accounts of how they like header at the top says hey you're about to start reading.

1:11:52In case you didn't these people totally don't I was today in a Streisand saying I feel like the new trend should be on

1:11:57people's blogs instead of all the other designs.

1:12:00So we've had to make an really big text and you know centering everything

1:12:03and all of the stuff the new French should be making today just bigger

1:12:06and bigger until all you see in the entire screen is two thousand

1:12:09and four because people read things I tried your instructions on how to you know set up my S.Q.L.

1:12:15Voltec surging and it didn't work in like two thousand and four do people do not see dates

1:12:21but anyway they will read the first sentence of the review you hope and the first and should be.

1:12:25This is old the most recent one is here and you had to pay and have to keep going back through those

1:12:29and re updating links or whatever you can automate that if you really feel like it

1:12:32but that's the way I would have done it. But I understand why you did it the way you did just it just seems weird.

1:12:40Sorry but you can do better next time.

1:12:46Thanks what's worth response was the fracture cookbook three from likability and Squarespace

1:12:51and we will see you next week.

1:12:56Now that's a downturn in there with them and you are now getting access to that list and the has a review coming.

1:13:58I made progress. This weekend.

1:14:00But like every time I make progress I'd like to try to reassess percentage wise lower percent done you think you are

1:14:05now

1:14:05and I could convert the same number like it's like it's been like seventy percent of the past three weekends like I think

1:14:11about seventy percent done I did like seven thousand words we can look I feel like I'm seventy percent done

1:14:16and I just found out that I've been taking my screenshots in the wrong size

1:14:20or some of them in the wrong size not that I think many of them anyway.

1:14:22I have so much stuff to do I don't know just written for a late October release date

1:14:28and then everything should be fine. So what do you do if they release early.

1:14:32Would you like rage quit the review even if you were half cooked on it were seventy percent Kono I would get I would

1:14:38have rushed to get it done even sooner than possible I would probably miss the release and people would have to wait

1:14:43and it would be terrible and you know like takes the time that it takes.

1:14:49I don't know about this Tivo thing in everyone saying oh it's for sports it's for small not everyone.

1:14:56People things for sports it doesn't make sense to me. I think you can learn to sports you probably have cable right.

1:15:02Right they're trying to like it's cord cutters who still want to buy I don't know like fifty dollars.

1:15:08There's no point to stainless fifty dollars for you would be even more of an interesting product

1:15:14but just trying to get a real Tivo you know you want talk about this twitch singers are going to go on for two hours.

1:15:20It will cause a lot we can talk about because I don't think I have much to say about do you guys both know it which is

1:15:26Have any of the three of us actually like seen to it I have I I watched like ten seconds of it once

1:15:34when what was it something about playing pokémon like some chat room or something was playing poker

1:15:39when I go people haven't even seen it in the youtube I've seen of You Tube is one thing as if Twitch is like oh yeah

1:15:47I've seen to it have you seen to it yes I've gone to the Web site. Have you seen Google.

1:15:51Yeah well the into Google is kind of one thing which is you know you're you're right to call me out so I've seen a

1:15:57video game being played live on Twitter I believe.

1:16:00As one of the poke him on is a poky mana pokey Man's I guess pokey man game.

1:16:04Pokey man

1:16:05and he I think was something that went around like a couple months back where it was like an entire chat rooms trying

1:16:16to collaborate

1:16:17and play one of the pokey men don't actually get people I was getting I was going to those the chat room

1:16:25or something that was a chat room shoot I don't know what it was

1:16:28but a right to fish playing at they have chat rooms playing as many be many different things have played various

1:16:33Pokemon games.

1:16:34Yeah and so I watch like ten seconds of that and was impossibly bored after those ten seconds and never looked back.

1:16:42So I think we had an hour show us way back when

1:16:45and as I just recently caught an isometric I heard them talking about it there was some rumor awhile ago that Google

1:16:49was going to buy two if you remember that maybe we had a no show no it's briefly

1:16:53but we never talked about it because Google never did buy Twitter was like oh it's a done deal who's going to bite

1:16:57which is months ago right.

1:16:59And they didn't and then you know people thought they might because it made sense

1:17:05and now I don't even know if the Amazon actually a done deal.

1:17:08I think I mean I don't know I always wait I want to see a press release on the company's Web site.

1:17:13That's what I want to see that's when it's confirmed

1:17:15but this is like you know sources say that whatever Anyway the story about this time of the line which is I think the

1:17:22big story is from from my perspective why hasn't someone bought twitch already because twitch does tremendous traffic

1:17:30in an area that is underserved essentially you know for people

1:17:35or not which allows you to website where people put a video of them playing video games

1:17:39and you can stream to it live

1:17:41and you can carry a lot of the console so I have a button you can press that will stream what you're playing up to

1:17:45Twitter you can do pre-recorded stuff as I Why or why would you not want to buy this because millions of people watch.

1:17:54I think like some of the sports champions think chantant championship thing.

1:18:00Like forty one million viewers

1:18:01or seventy million viewers something that huge viewership on this the question I Why why is all this happening on You

1:18:09Tube Well You Tube is a different kind of environment You Tube is for people making like their own little shows

1:18:14and channels and stuff but You Tube is really harsh are cracking down on copyrighted material

1:18:19and you know which is specifically tailored to gamers as integration of the consuls and now in recent weeks

1:18:27or months over a long it's been twitches been started to clamp down on the copyrighted stuff as well like if it hears

1:18:32if it does that you know content detection of it detects copyrighted music it will just mute the audio track

1:18:37and what's happening is like people are getting their entire videos muted because there's copyrighted music like in the

1:18:43game the game people paid for

1:18:44and like just all these problems having machines try to enforce copyright so I don't understand why that's going on.

1:18:51But like the biggest manoeuvres then is why.

1:18:53Why didn't Google buy twitch Why didn't you know like they are a hot commodity they are a place where lots of people

1:19:01are going to look at things that isn't well served by an existing properties

1:19:05but is in that same vein like this is not like you say oh it's kind like T.V. Even sort of T.V.

1:19:10Shows you watch You Tube

1:19:11and people who have kids of a certain age you know that kids do watch You Tube just the way they watch T.V.

1:19:15Well Twitch is like that for people who are into games only there never really was a T.V.

1:19:18Analogue there was never any real T.V.

1:19:20Channel you go do you just watch you know hundreds of channels of people playing video games live or recorded

1:19:25and that's what witches.

1:19:27So I'm not quite sure that Amazon buying them is good for anybody including Amazon I think Google is a better fit

1:19:34because I feel like what's happening

1:19:36and which should be happening on You Tube And if You Tube is not doing something to make that happen

1:19:40and they need to be in a separate branded site then fine Google should have bought twitch

1:19:43and made it like as an offshoot of You Tube or tried to roll it into one of whatever

1:19:48but I think what Twitch does is only going to go away or fade if it gets screwed up by like stupid copyright stuff

1:19:56or whatever and I just think it's inevitable it's obviously something that people want to do all of the word.

1:20:00It's going to happen with or without which.

1:20:03If you people should be interested in those people those people buy games are worth advertising to there

1:20:09and they're you know a demographic you don't want to advertise to.

1:20:14While Amazon by them Google reportedly bid for them and didn't get them

1:20:18and then Amazon did google so too rich for my blood and just bail out of Amazon outbid them.

1:20:25These days I don't feel particularly good of an Amazon buying things anymore I used to feel good about Google buying

1:20:30things and then not so much you know now Amazon I used to feel OK about them buying companies

1:20:35and now maybe not so much with like the comics ology

1:20:37and stuff so I don't know I mean I guess maybe this is better than Facebook buying them I just think it's a shame for

1:20:43everybody who's into which is kind of a shame for Twitch. Oprah's only the people involved get a big payday.

1:20:50Twitch is not something that I want to regulate which is not something you guys watch at all so it's very younger

1:20:55demographic but that's why I think like it's the future man doing what Twitch does has a future

1:21:02and I just hope Amazon doesn't screw it up.

1:21:06I have nothing to add to this is one of those

1:21:08and there you should be OK See this is one of those things that is really popular that it's not like soccer where you

1:21:14know understand it's really popular and always has been is just not your thing

1:21:16but this is like a worldwide really popular

1:21:19and you just have no interaction with it all I can really say spoke like we don't use Facebook

1:21:23but we know Facebook as we know what it's like or whatever.

1:21:25So if you don't want to get out of touch with the kids you should spend some time in which I have genuinely been

1:21:30dreading the thought of Minecraft still being a thing in the years you know

1:21:35and it's going to be like those games it just gets ported everywhere you know it because it was like it had dated

1:21:42graphics a day it was made right so it's not as if it's going to get old and people will like it.

1:21:46Oh it'll it will never die. The probably open source at some point and then you're really screwed.

1:21:51So it was a World of Warcraft or Minecraft dying First World War Craft definitely that requires humans to maintain

1:21:57and run and presumably.

1:22:00Eventually that will become you know unfeasible

1:22:03or whatever blizzards next big project is will eventually I assume supply revving and everything

1:22:08and I guess they have enough people they could do it

1:22:11but that requires way more main it's mine graphene just led him to the wild like a virus you don't need any human

1:22:16intervention.

1:22:18Blizzard needs to pay people you know millions of dollars a year to just keep World of Warcraft keep them in new

1:22:23content every year and keep the servers up and running

1:22:26and maintained an A in wildly unrelated news I was somewhat stunned that it only took the Internet a week to find

1:22:36market coffee. Yeah I don't even know.

1:22:39I thought Marco had already said that site ages ago I didn't I don't try

1:22:46and say nice things about your websites Marco but I think Mark OK see if everyone is already L.T.

1:22:51You know you are formatting of that's our God it's terrible

1:22:54but I threw together in like twenty minutes so I didn't hit home is not worth a whole lot of em right back

1:22:59when all I knew was

1:22:59or wasn't worth it's worth just enough effort to make the one page that is on that side look reasonable.

1:23:06I really don't even care.

1:23:08The point was to get it to give a few people like ten seconds worth of laughs or giggles or what have you

1:23:14and I think I succeeded in that.

1:23:17It's funny people are complaining

1:23:18and moaning about the fact that it's frames because I was too lazy to figure out how to get get how pages to accept it.

1:23:24Yeah I was framed because it's it's a hover redirect and so I had a cloak the U.R.L.

1:23:31So it's just a big I Frame I guess

1:23:34and getting the layout the way I wanted was a pain in the butt without using tables which I don't think I ended up

1:23:39doing so yet because I suck at C.S.S.

1:23:43I'm freaking terrible to see as I say this is one of those differences like you would have been the person to make

1:23:47those the city desk heroes because you like to come out I don't care that much to zero like that there is something I'm

1:23:55not saying this did something wrong with you if you were in the majority believe me but like there.

1:24:00I know if I was putting up a single page either just a text in that I would be there make sure that Tex was like

1:24:05exactly where I wanted to be in the font that I wanted to. Well that's because you're extraordinarily critical.

1:24:10Well I mean the joke still works if it's marketed a coffee splash pages last troll that is P. X. Right.

1:24:17Then the funny thing is I think T.J.

1:24:19Lou will probably get the pronunciation wrong and I'm sorry about that

1:24:22but I believe he was the first person to point out to me in retrospect I should have just had a redirect Starbucks

1:24:29and I really had a missed opportunity there.

1:24:31Well that's what I did with bad coffee so I only had a coffee redirect to Starbucks is looking pretty a picture

1:24:38and then I also have overcast coffee and podcast coffee how did you not register Margaux dot coffee.

1:24:45Yeah I did that for some reason didn't cross my mind when I was a man that's funny.

1:24:53Anyway I noticed this the other day this is a week to the day it was last Wednesday and

1:24:59and I noticed said market our coffee is available and I thought what could I do with this and it will be my first.

1:25:06Actually my first thought was hey did you know that Mark and I called you know to say to you Hey Mark

1:25:10and a coffee is available and then I was like wait a second.

1:25:13There's an opportunity here

1:25:14and so yes I think trolling you for years worth twenty five dollars of my money so I will go ahead and register this

1:25:22and throw up the world's crappiest single serving site and you did and I did. That's good.

1:25:30It's funny I'm proud of you for for even doing this joke.

1:25:34I only had originally was coffee is stupid

1:25:37and then I felt like that one that didn't have the same ring to it as coffee so he said oh you're so polite even You're

1:25:42trolling something I had a domain registered for the flop house for a couple of years

1:25:48but I just let it expire in protest because no one would accurately represent the joke I was making on that Web site of

1:25:55course.

1:26:00It's frustrating

1:26:00but anyway you know my paying twenty five dollars for a year I think I paid for three years maybe four years of that

1:26:07domain and they had nothing it was nothing but a redirect.

1:26:09Like it was the whole point of the domain is like oh if you type this you'll get those regrets are as much fun back in

1:26:14the days

1:26:15when if you were in the circle of mac users all the popular mac browsers would first append I think it was already the

1:26:22first appended dot com and then Triple W. Dot com or the reverse.

1:26:26But if you typed anywhere that's what they did before the age of the various awesome bars

1:26:30and integrated you know searched address bar.

1:26:32If you just type the word by itself into your address bar I would try the dot com and or the Triple W.

1:26:37Dot com And that was a cool way to navigate but that time is past.

1:26:42So that's a timetable type stuff

1:26:45and they end up with a Google search anyway so you are getting a domain not as much fun as it used to be.

1:26:52Do want to do. Titles real fast before snail steals you from us.

1:26:57Three people are never know that was about the chat room filming last time chat room.

1:27:02When Star Wars was that I want to really really get everyone to hate me.

1:27:06There's no mention of a chair and stories don't look for and what doesn't.

1:27:12I said there's no mention of the chat room in Star Wars don't know no mention of the chair I'm sorry I know you failed

1:27:18me for the last time Admiral.

1:27:22Oh well I've been since I was in recent years about the same line there was a line in the sim I seem to remember a

1:27:29number of Franks back I couldn't even tell you the plot of Empire Strikes Back Darth Vader's mad people doesn't matter

1:27:34people because they're they're doing things wrong and he kills them

1:27:38and buys the kill them because you've failed him for the last time.

1:27:41They'll be dead now you see so you can't film anymore. It's very complicated.