The Accidental Tech Podcast

85: The Unexpected Hard Part


00:00:00   The third is is a vocabulary day you'll be quizzed on these at the end of the year and we're going to follow up today. [TS]

00:00:07   Go figure. [TS]

00:00:08   I'm shocked and awed that we have so much follow up for something just made and I let me let me take a wild guess [TS]

00:00:16   and say that we're going to spend the first ninety minutes of the show talking about follow. [TS]

00:00:19   No it's not the law it's like it's not even a page you'll see it'll be fast you know I don't know how to measure follow [TS]

00:00:24   if you just see like more than a screen of what the fault is there all to second items. [TS]

00:00:29   All right well we should probably start with the most important piece of follow up that we have which is most of the [TS]

00:00:36   Internet coming to the defense of the load bearing finger that's not even in the notes it is not at the top of the [TS]

00:00:43   follow up anyway. No it's not it's way at the bottom. [TS]

00:00:45   It's really important to me so I thought I'd bring it up because you and I were proven right [TS]

00:00:50   and John was proven wrong right right about what exactly. [TS]

00:00:54   Well we were you were out voted at least you were out voting I voted about what exactly about whether you should [TS]

00:01:00   or should not use the load bearing finger I think the results from people telling us that they use their pinky are [TS]

00:01:07   inconclusive as to whether people should or should not use their fingers. [TS]

00:01:11   All we have shown is that many people who e-mailed us do use their pinky [TS]

00:01:15   and that doesn't prove anything because for all we know there are many many more people who don't use their pinky you [TS]

00:01:21   didn't e-mail us but anyway the people who do you think he wanted to tell us that they did and so they did. [TS]

00:01:27   None of which are going to do with whether you should use your brain here [TS]

00:01:31   or what the what the the values inherent in using your pinky [TS]

00:01:34   or is it what is it good for what is it that for all I know is I thought a lot of e-mail feedback of Twitter feedback a [TS]

00:01:42   lot of it [TS]

00:01:44   and it was almost universally in support of the Armands slash lifts load bearing finger method you can put yourself [TS]

00:01:53   first you're so nice you you talked about it it was your subject alphabetical anyway. [TS]

00:01:57   Yes a lot of people use a lot of people do use that. [TS]

00:02:00   Yes but that I don't think that's that's immaterial to our discussion which was about why you should [TS]

00:02:04   or shouldn't use your pinky. [TS]

00:02:05   Well here's the thing the reason you should use your pinky is because even [TS]

00:02:09   when I reach to the the way for a corner of the screen which [TS]

00:02:14   when I'm holding the phone in my right hand is the upper left hand corner you know the most important corner [TS]

00:02:18   and I are west because that's the back button. [TS]

00:02:20   The I would say I would say ever since the back gesture and I was seven or six whatever whatever those out of seven. [TS]

00:02:26   Ever since the back gesture we came commonplace [TS]

00:02:28   and default behavior with an Internet vision controller I would say that is now a lot less important than it used to be. [TS]

00:02:34   That's true but it better be with the six plus because forget it no one's region but the one that's true. [TS]

00:02:40   But anyway to the point is [TS]

00:02:41   when I reach for that I have to hold my fingers from the again I'm holding the phone to my right hand I have to pull my [TS]

00:02:49   fingers from the left hand edge of the phone to behind the phone in order to give me the the reach to go to the upper [TS]

00:02:57   left but the load bearing pinkie still hold strong with your sexy man. [TS]

00:03:01   Yes that's correct went with my sex bearing taking hold strong no one keeps me secure it's not much of a load bearing [TS]

00:03:09   he calling it that as if they've been tire weight of the phone is you know it's just because it sounds funny. [TS]

00:03:14   Well anyway yeah now that I've done I've done more research with a lot of emotion like videos [TS]

00:03:21   and pictures of them doing stuff or whatever [TS]

00:03:22   and I hadn't noticed that many people sent in the video of the horrors of the old five or five S. [TS]

00:03:28   Ad where Apple's trying to defend the fact that they didn't have a really big screen phones back [TS]

00:03:32   when they didn't have really big screen phones [TS]

00:03:34   and it was that ad where they showed that the thumb of this male model in the ad can reach all four corners of the [TS]

00:03:40   screen and they say so they got all just common sense. [TS]

00:03:43   That's why we have whatever movement is that four inch screen on the five. Yeah yeah. [TS]

00:03:47   Anyway they were it was this is their Like you said of why we don't have a big heart [TS]

00:03:51   but in everyone who was asking me I can understand how you're saying to hold the phone I try to hold that way I can [TS]

00:03:55   reach and they had a something link the link to the video because that ad and most of Apple's. [TS]

00:04:00   Video literature shows hands male adult male model hands holding the phone the way I was describing Marlise and and [TS]

00:04:08   and last I was talking about why Casey was holding for now what you are holding the phone wrong because if your hand is [TS]

00:04:13   too small you can't hold it my way. [TS]

00:04:15   Like bottom line about Katie's hands are similar size to mine that's why it was relevant so people asked about that [TS]

00:04:20   like oh my hands are too small if your hands are just not you just can't do it [TS]

00:04:23   but then the way that ad shows essentially how I held my phone [TS]

00:04:25   and I do have one additional piece of information on the phone holding thing I do after watching myself use the phone [TS]

00:04:31   in both my right [TS]

00:04:32   and left hands what I realized is that I use the pinky to move the phone up into typing position because typing you [TS]

00:04:39   know I can type with a grip some tube like how I can tell by the repair do you do [TS]

00:04:42   or you can look at the apple add I can do it. [TS]

00:04:44   Personally Apple I can do it maybe other people can't bang another thumb bends or whatever it's mine but [TS]

00:04:49   when I want to do series one handed typing I will hold the phone up so it's higher so I'm coming more from the bottom [TS]

00:04:54   and that hoisting operation depending on how I'm doing it frequently involves me using my pinky to push the phone [TS]

00:04:59   support so I'm also in the load bearing pinky group for brief moments of time [TS]

00:05:05   when repositioning the phone so I guess that makes sense. [TS]

00:05:08   The funny thing about it is I feel like I've gotten and I think Marco as well have have gotten. [TS]

00:05:14   We've got a lot of feedback over the course of the T.P. [TS]

00:05:17   Almost two years now and year and a half now and a lot of feedback about oh you're wrong because John says so [TS]

00:05:23   or Oh you're wrong because you don't agree with John. [TS]

00:05:26   And finally my crowning moment when the Internet comes to my defense was about how I hold my fricken life. [TS]

00:05:34   Oh well I don't think that people say they're wrong because I say it [TS]

00:05:37   and they may find my are a little more convincing on the other anyway that that would be a lousy readings. [TS]

00:05:41   But like so I I still contend that all the things I said about the different old techniques hold true for Katie whose [TS]

00:05:48   hands are similar sized to mine and that it is more secure not to hold the thing like it's sheet music [TS]

00:05:53   and music stand and what most people didn't understand it though the whole thing with my grip is. [TS]

00:06:00   If suddenly you know I was I got jostled [TS]

00:06:03   or knocked over Reverend I mean really gripped with my hands I was just about to get knocked over [TS]

00:06:07   but I hold on to my phone. [TS]

00:06:08   What would happen is I would be pressing on the far along edge of the phone [TS]

00:06:12   and pressing the corner into my palm that's essentially the grip. [TS]

00:06:15   Even if you're moving your fingers around a bit [TS]

00:06:17   and that's different from the grip where it suddenly you are pressed what you would have doing is pinching the phone [TS]

00:06:22   like you're pinching like a Hershey's bar something that's when you have when your fingers are on the back [TS]

00:06:26   or if you're doing the pinky thing just fewer number of fingers on the back. [TS]

00:06:29   But you know you got to do what you gotta do depending on the size your hand. [TS]

00:06:33   The I was trying to come up with a a universal theorem of phone gripping this for like very clear anyone for why people [TS]

00:06:41   hold it in different ways [TS]

00:06:42   and what I started with this from the screen extreme of like if you just put the phone on the table [TS]

00:06:47   and then you know you can't put any fingers around it all and you just take your thumb [TS]

00:06:50   and then you can reach anywhere on the screen that your thumb is just it's free form you know you're not you know [TS]

00:06:54   holding it anywhere. [TS]

00:06:57   That's what you would have to do if you had a little tiny minuscule hands like if you would if you're trying to use a [TS]

00:07:01   twenty five inch i Pad you would you would just put it flat on the table and if you're going to use with one hand [TS]

00:07:05   and you want to use your thumb to do stuff you just move it around like that as the size of your hand [TS]

00:07:11   and the size of the phone. [TS]

00:07:13   Get closer together like as a thong get smaller in size you hang it's bigger whichever direction you start to be able [TS]

00:07:18   to put more portions of your forefingers behind [TS]

00:07:21   or under the phone if your hand is just barely big enough maybe you can put like four fingers [TS]

00:07:26   or two fingers behind the phone [TS]

00:07:27   but the whole rest your hand needs to be out so you can reach the upper left hand corner right as your hand gets bigger [TS]

00:07:32   and bigger bigger you can slide more and more of those four fingers behind the phone [TS]

00:07:35   and still be able to reach things comfortably [TS]

00:07:37   when your hand reaches a certain size you can fit all of your four fingers and a lot of your hand behind the phone [TS]

00:07:42   and nestle the corner of it into your palm. [TS]

00:07:44   And that's essentially the hands I am [TS]

00:07:46   and if you keep up the cha cha can vary in size then maybe I don't you can fit like the entire And maybe you can fit [TS]

00:07:54   all four of his fingers in front of the phone and still be able to reach them I don't know how big of fans are [TS]

00:07:59   but that's. Then when they continue on that we could probably do some sort of three D. [TS]

00:08:02   Animation to show the different various groups that are possible [TS]

00:08:06   but I still strongly endorse nestling the cornerstone into your palm so that you can grip it [TS]

00:08:12   and precedent that direction with all four of your fingers. [TS]

00:08:15   If you can reach all the corners of your phone with your thumb that way [TS]

00:08:17   and if you can type comfortably I can type comfortably that way I can have a home button but I guess that [TS]

00:08:22   when I want to do more serious long typing I will hoist the thing up with I think I think he goes back [TS]

00:08:27   and then I type in that position. I guess that's fair. [TS]

00:08:30   I have to sort of make a subject change I should note that you know another week on with having the six. [TS]

00:08:37   I definitely like it and I like having a screen that big but I'm picking up one of our five S's [TS]

00:08:44   and it feels to me anyway so much more comfortable in my hand I like the feel of it so much more. [TS]

00:08:52   Although I will tell you that this screen looks comically small. [TS]

00:08:55   Furthermore I think tweeted about this but we use three G.S. [TS]

00:08:59   To run a playlist for when we're at a tailgate for before a football game [TS]

00:09:05   and that thing it's like positively microscopic to the six [TS]

00:09:11   and so it's tough because on the software side I like the big screen quite a lot. [TS]

00:09:16   But physically and I think this comes back to me being a one handed user a lot of the time. [TS]

00:09:22   I just love the feel the size of the five S. So much more than sex and I'm not sure which one is more important. [TS]

00:09:30   So ask me again in six months. [TS]

00:09:32   Yeah I think [TS]

00:09:32   when you I thought don't have anything so excited yet I would imagine that maybe it will never turn around for you like [TS]

00:09:40   in terms of the hand-holding but it's kind of like now when you pick up like a three G.S. [TS]

00:09:44   Mia's like this the screens like a postage stamp. [TS]

00:09:46   Even though it's not got much shorter than the five it's the same with and it has a little tiny bit shorter [TS]

00:09:51   but it just feels ridiculous. [TS]

00:09:53   I think once you get used to the screen you're like well the six still feels too big for our various i Phone [TS]

00:09:58   but I don't want to go back to looking through. That tiny little port hole into the world of I O. Us. [TS]

00:10:03   I think you're right now Marco did you have your six plus at the time we recorded last week. [TS]

00:10:07   Yes but I had only had it for a few hours. That's right that's right. [TS]

00:10:10   Are you using a full time by chance or no not at the moment. I for whatever reason I don't know why I decided not to. [TS]

00:10:19   You know I'm I do. Maybe next week I'm going to Montreal for the singleton conference. [TS]

00:10:24   Maybe I'll use it like that whole weekend. [TS]

00:10:25   I'll just bring that one [TS]

00:10:26   and see how that goes because I do want to spend some time using it as my primary phone that's one of the reasons I got [TS]

00:10:32   it this way. [TS]

00:10:33   I just haven't got around to it it's been a crazy development week for me and it might make the changes not fair [TS]

00:10:37   but initial impressions anything different since we last spoke. [TS]

00:10:40   I really haven't had a chance to use it much more than that I have some opinions on the like size class ness of it. [TS]

00:10:46   The way Apple does i Pad style with when you when you hold it in landscape [TS]

00:10:54   and tell the apps basically to use an i Pad layout in landscape. [TS]

00:10:59   I've been battling that all week with developing over cast for it [TS]

00:11:02   and I question whether that's a good idea to have it do that [TS]

00:11:07   and actually for overcast one point one the big update I'm working on to make it all adaptive universal and everything. [TS]

00:11:14   For that I am disabled in that behavior so that on the six plus it's good it's going to show the i Phone interface [TS]

00:11:21   bigger in landscape. [TS]

00:11:22   Yeah I wondered when they would talk about the size classes you know here we all knew bigger things were coming. [TS]

00:11:27   I just assumed they would add a bunch of new you numbers are over the whole they are for different size classes [TS]

00:11:31   when the different things came out [TS]

00:11:32   but from what I understand they just kept the same ones it's like you know with in portrait mode of any of their phones [TS]

00:11:40   is all like compact or whatever even though that the difference in size between the with of a five S. [TS]

00:11:44   In the with of the six plus is huge but they're both the same. [TS]

00:11:47   They're all the same size glass so simply I think it's Throw in a few more size Quest values in there [TS]

00:11:53   and solve some of these you know it's it's a tough balance to walk so. [TS]

00:11:57   So the way it is right now so you're right basically there's. [TS]

00:12:00   There's just two values for each of horizontal and vertical regular and compact [TS]

00:12:04   and of course there might be you know a future large value maybe that's what the i Pad Pro If that thing is real will [TS]

00:12:10   have but right now it is regular and compact enough and a phone is regular horizontal [TS]

00:12:17   or regular vertical compact horizontal if you were to get it to vertical mood it's compact in both dimension it was [TS]

00:12:24   kind of this it makes sense but if you think about it in practice that actually does work very well [TS]

00:12:29   and i Pads are regular into the compact in both dimensions or matter what aren't ation therein [TS]

00:12:34   and the weird thing is that the i Phone six plus [TS]

00:12:37   and only the i Phone six plus is regular horizontal compact vertical well at the landscape so it's a weird combination [TS]

00:12:45   that you know designing for a landscape I phone in general is very hard because you know in most cases if you have a [TS]

00:12:55   going to gauge bartering you still have the bars taking up a lot of horizontal space and they get smaller [TS]

00:13:00   but it's still I mean vertical space rather they get smaller [TS]

00:13:03   but it's still yours because you're going to retain the screen the barfed on across the new top. [TS]

00:13:09   You're wasting a lot more screen real estate on those bars while you're doing a landscape by phone [TS]

00:13:15   but why are you making a rotatable on phones over here. That's a good question. [TS]

00:13:19   So to date the effort in the store now does not rotate it's always portrait only Most people I think will want to keep [TS]

00:13:26   it that way and nuff it myself included most of the time. [TS]

00:13:29   And nuff people such that I need to probably add a rotation lock setting because having an app accidentally rotate [TS]

00:13:36   when you don't want to on your i Phone is is annoying but Apple is clearly pushing us toward universal apps [TS]

00:13:43   and app that has to work on any size i Phone any sized i Pad and be able to transition between those sizes. [TS]

00:13:50   While it's running on the same device now we saw a couple months ago our friend Stephen trounce Smith on Twitter. [TS]

00:14:00   People should have video I am pretty sure was him he posted a video he had half the i Phone eight simulator where I was [TS]

00:14:06   a simulator what was going on i Pad mode he'd unable to kind of like undocumented hidden mode that basically had [TS]

00:14:14   resizable apps an app on the i Pad in full screen normally [TS]

00:14:19   and then by title in these modes it would've run at two thirds with [TS]

00:14:23   and one third with Anna two thirds with it just looks like a smaller i Pad app that one third with it was like a tall [TS]

00:14:30   skinny i Phone app. It was it was very clear. [TS]

00:14:34   You know Apple had built this functionality and whether it will ship this fall you know next week [TS]

00:14:38   or whatever whatever it is I've had of it will happen whether this will ship anytime soon I don't know [TS]

00:14:44   but the functionality is there. [TS]

00:14:46   I have to imagine you know if you read the tea leaves like reading reading the tea leaves in to B.B.C. [TS]

00:14:51   Sessions in the new A.P.I. [TS]

00:14:52   and I will say that it was very clear it was very clear that they were going to do different sized devices. [TS]

00:14:58   I think if you read the tea leaves a little bit further it's very clear that this is the way they planned to go. [TS]

00:15:02   Also in the case of resizable apps like they are going to do this I bet [TS]

00:15:06   and I don't know maybe this fall maybe that maybe it might get delayed until a later version of i O. S. [TS]

00:15:12   but I'm pretty sure that's one of the things they plan to do to make the i Pad cooler is to have side by side apps with [TS]

00:15:18   their full with two thirds or one third. [TS]

00:15:21   I would imagine your customers if you make an app that runs on the i Pad I would imagine your customers are going to be [TS]

00:15:26   pretty annoyed if they can side by side tile. [TS]

00:15:30   Most of their apps but not your app because it doesn't support these modes. [TS]

00:15:34   It's important I think for developers to be considering this very strongly right now that if you have an app that runs [TS]

00:15:40   on the i Pad at all you should probably make your app universal with i Phone [TS]

00:15:45   and you should probably be doing this adaptive U.I. [TS]

00:15:48   Migration you know using something like a split view to have it automatically collapse [TS]

00:15:51   or doing your own thing automatically collapse that you need to be doing this because this is like it's so it's so [TS]

00:15:58   obvious that this is a very. A chance of coming very soon in Iowa S. and Again like your customers. [TS]

00:16:04   If if most apps do this [TS]

00:16:06   and yours doesn't your customers are going to tell you that Apple does not seem to care about the difference between [TS]

00:16:14   you know your business model is if you have a i Phone only [TS]

00:16:18   and I've had only two separate paid apps an apple does not care about that. [TS]

00:16:22   They been very clearly pushing for a long time into the into universal apps [TS]

00:16:27   and I think you know if you have an apple only runs on the i Pad because it just needs the space you know for whatever [TS]

00:16:33   reason for you I or whatever then I think you're OK You know you can make do. [TS]

00:16:38   But for many apps that can run an i Phone or i Pad and they can resize to any any value anything. [TS]

00:16:43   I think there's there's been a lot of pressure from our community like the mac nerd community has been a lot of [TS]

00:16:49   pressure in the past to have these like perfectly beautiful hand crafted interfaces for each different device that you [TS]

00:16:55   run on. [TS]

00:16:56   And I think that we've been seeing that the writing on the wall for that for a while now Iowa seven's redesign helped a [TS]

00:17:03   lot just like most of those like perfectly hand crafted custom interfaces. [TS]

00:17:07   Most of the design patterns of those look at a date with i OS seven so making more flexible way out already was is [TS]

00:17:13   getting in fashion [TS]

00:17:14   but I think I think we're seeing a combination of a bunch of effects happen to really kill those unique interfaces for [TS]

00:17:22   i Pads there's very likely upcoming resizable apps thing where if your app does anything beyond one of the basic custom [TS]

00:17:30   structures it's going to be a pain. It can be hard to maintain. [TS]

00:17:33   We also have generally sagging i Pad sales the i Pad is no longer the powerhouse platform to make money on for [TS]

00:17:40   developers that it once was. However briefly that was it is no longer that thing. [TS]

00:17:46   I think the i Pad now is worth supporting [TS]

00:17:50   but it might not necessarily be worth a whole bunch of custom development time. [TS]

00:17:55   And I forget the third thing but basically as the. [TS]

00:18:00   So I think it's going to be very important that developers be a little easier on yourself with with whether you like [TS]

00:18:08   whether you need to make the decision of going universal and just do it. [TS]

00:18:11   Apple is making a decision for you effectively you have to be universal [TS]

00:18:15   and secondly I think it is really not worth spending a whole lot of time making it extremely custom. [TS]

00:18:22   I Pad interface if something simpler would suffice. [TS]

00:18:26   But anyway John to answer your actual question of why why do I need to support rotation on the i Phone the small reason [TS]

00:18:36   is that some customers have asked for that a lot of people say [TS]

00:18:39   and then there are some good reasons a lot of people say that they want to put that they keep their phone in [TS]

00:18:44   and like amount in their car that keeps it horizontal for some reason I don't know why amount would do that for maps [TS]

00:18:50   maybe you know you like the little flying through Apple Maps thing I guess [TS]

00:18:54   but think of so many like the phone app doesn't rotate as far as I know there's a lot of other apps in the on phones [TS]

00:18:58   that don't rotate so I don't know a lot of people ask for that. [TS]

00:19:02   The bigger reason why is because you know Apple is clearly pushing in this direction of you're asking to be adaptive [TS]

00:19:09   they need to be resizable needs the rotatable they're pushing in this direction [TS]

00:19:14   and I think it's just easier if I can have an app that works with any combination of the size classes with any any [TS]

00:19:21   combination [TS]

00:19:22   or any any weird screen size ima come up with that that the apple look reasonable it won't it won't like the interface [TS]

00:19:28   won't break things will be usable. [TS]

00:19:31   It might not look amazing but it will work and I think supporting ever take in is is just one part of that. [TS]

00:19:39   It's a required part that I think also you know on the i Pad You kind of have to [TS]

00:19:42   and so once you build that it's pretty easy to build the other one [TS]

00:19:44   but so you're going to have an in application rotation lock in separate from the system on the I I I'm probably going [TS]

00:19:52   to try launching without one and see how big of an issue it is because the whole idea of adding. [TS]

00:20:00   An individual preference in my apps of that my app doesn't rotate a lot about reports from that. [TS]

00:20:05   Yeah it's tricky to implement. [TS]

00:20:07   I think in the code I don't know I haven't looked yet how to do it now because every time Apple rewrite rewrites the [TS]

00:20:12   way apps handover Taishan which so far has happened three times. [TS]

00:20:17   Every time they do that that the way you do this changes and and how possible it is to do it without weird bugs [TS]

00:20:22   and side effects and changes. [TS]

00:20:24   So I want to see you know if it's like you know some kind of bull callback and I can return no from the last. [TS]

00:20:29   That's easy but if it's something else than most [TS]

00:20:32   but I think it is very clear that like if you don't adapt to this world it's going to be difficult for you [TS]

00:20:40   and you know [TS]

00:20:41   and Brin Simmons talked a few months back about developer efficiency you know we've been hearing all these stories [TS]

00:20:45   about how developers like developers like me and people who make i OS apps [TS]

00:20:50   and try to try to sell it on a store are having a harder and harder time making good money from that [TS]

00:20:54   and harder hard time justifying further development. [TS]

00:20:57   The reality is [TS]

00:20:58   and we've seen this for many people the reality is if you're in the tenant developer chances are you're going to need [TS]

00:21:05   multiple sources of income and chances are your apps are going to have to be cheaper [TS]

00:21:10   and easier to develop you can afford to be able to spend a year [TS]

00:21:14   and a half making a custom pattern of a sphere Apennine more like that. [TS]

00:21:19   That's no longer economically responsible for most developers to do it's if you need to make money from it you know if [TS]

00:21:24   it's a hobby to do on the side. [TS]

00:21:26   Fine you can do whatever you want but [TS]

00:21:27   but if you know if you're trying to make money from an app you really can't reasonably spend a whole lot of time on [TS]

00:21:33   custom stuff like that. [TS]

00:21:34   So one of my design goals for over cast is not only to to have things you know work OK [TS]

00:21:40   and look OK it's also to use a little code as possible in the U.I. Like as little as well as few custom U.I. [TS]

00:21:48   Hacked as I can because with Instapaper I got tied up with all sorts of crazy U.I. [TS]

00:21:53   Hacks to try to try to customize things to work exactly as I wanted them to. That was slightly different from the. [TS]

00:22:00   System defaults worked or to [TS]

00:22:02   or to mimic something that other that other Apple apps did that was not exposed publicly in the A.P.I. [TS]

00:22:08   or To do things that weren't possible yet manually so things like pagination or [TS]

00:22:14   when I wrote the the grid view before there was a collection view A.P.I. [TS]

00:22:18   Stuff like that [TS]

00:22:20   and you know almost every I was developer has some kind of story where they like oh well we were having this problem so [TS]

00:22:24   we had to rewrite your innovation controller and they know that you've already lost. [TS]

00:22:30   Like if you have any part of your development story includes. We had to rewrite U.I. [TS]

00:22:35   Table View Controller whenever gauging control [TS]

00:22:37   or any of these like Major I.O.'s things that are really hard to get right if you do it yourself chances are your [TS]

00:22:44   priorities are are can use improvement. [TS]

00:22:47   I have the luxury of being by being one person and being both the designer and the developer of this app. [TS]

00:22:54   I can edit the design if the implementation of it is going to suck for development like I can I can say you know what I [TS]

00:23:02   like the reason why the toolbar is by the many players toolbar sides because it's a toolbar because it's easier to [TS]

00:23:10   implement that way and I had to do less code. [TS]

00:23:13   The reason why the mini player does not go away when when there's nothing to play [TS]

00:23:17   and it just says something like Sync complete is because you can't then amply hide [TS]

00:23:22   and show that reliably without weird side effects. So it's always there period. [TS]

00:23:27   So like like I do things like this because I've seen what happens when you don't. [TS]

00:23:33   So what happen with Instapaper was the code got so big and bloated. [TS]

00:23:38   Because I was doing all these crazy hacks with the view hierarchy and custom animations [TS]

00:23:44   and all this all this stuff to get things to look at the workings out they were right. [TS]

00:23:48   It became not only very brittle but just extremely cumbersome to maintain [TS]

00:23:52   and very costly to implement the first place to so much time [TS]

00:23:55   and effort to do all that stuff that I could've been spending on on other features or improve. [TS]

00:24:00   So the website or whatever else. [TS]

00:24:01   So one of my main goals for her has been just avoid those big hacks like if I can't do something in a good reliable way [TS]

00:24:08   with the official it is usually I just don't do it [TS]

00:24:12   and I'm keeping the code very simple so any kind of custom handling of do this on this one device or do this [TS]

00:24:19   when the screen sizes less than this value. That all adds a lot of that complexity I really would rather avoid. [TS]

00:24:26   And I think overall that will serve me better [TS]

00:24:28   and I think overall if more developers did that it would serve them better. [TS]

00:24:32   Do you think that's like a failing of the A.P.I. [TS]

00:24:34   In the prescribe way to do things with a set of controllers that sort of premade for you with a bunch of callbacks that [TS]

00:24:40   you can override and things that you can said [TS]

00:24:42   but if your needs fall outside the bounds that for example your need to say well if you know I would like to have a [TS]

00:24:47   thing that sounded like a tool bar maybe will be exactly the same size. [TS]

00:24:50   Sometimes I want to hide it [TS]

00:24:51   and it's like well now you know is that I thought they were the frameworks like they can stream you to some degree in [TS]

00:24:58   that there are there's a set of things that they're trying to lead you towards that as you diverge from them you would [TS]

00:25:03   hope that the framework [TS]

00:25:04   and work with you you would not say well now you start to do something that is that violates too many assumptions of [TS]

00:25:10   this little particular piece of code that we've given you here [TS]

00:25:13   and therefore your only option now is to throw that all away and do it all custom or like it [TS]

00:25:17   and rewrite that thing by subclassing everything and then you're basically doing your own thing anyway. [TS]

00:25:23   Ideally a framework would have a smoother path between I just wanted tweak one thing you've given this thing you give [TS]

00:25:29   me who does exactly what I want but I want we want things one two and three. [TS]

00:25:32   Or like all the way down to at this point all this behavior is my own [TS]

00:25:39   and you want to smooth gradient between them you don't want to at this point where you're like OK tweak I can tweak it [TS]

00:25:43   we can and you find out you're just tweaking so much that now you're describing a monster and it's unmaintainable [TS]

00:25:47   and you can't figure it out the next version breaks all your crap and it's like it was like that slope. [TS]

00:25:53   The ideal framework would never paint you into that corner and you would you would smoothly move from changing one. [TS]

00:26:00   Little property on a canned class to having to defining all of the behavior yourself. [TS]

00:26:05   You know ideally I mean and I really have to give you I can't credit it has come a long way. [TS]

00:26:12   Like many of those hacks I did with Instapaper would no longer be necessary. I would even say probably most of them. [TS]

00:26:18   Yeah Apple is moving along that path like yeah go along the path I mean take color [TS]

00:26:22   and stuff like that things that used to be you know that's that with the next version I got all those things you don't [TS]

00:26:26   actually you don't need and just like [TS]

00:26:28   and you keep it how long you continue that to ever get to the point where there actually is a smooth path [TS]

00:26:34   and there's never that jump over the canyon where all you've hacked this thing to bits [TS]

00:26:37   and now you're just you know you're over the line like it seems like you know if you want to use one of our classes [TS]

00:26:43   and subclass it. [TS]

00:26:46   You always get if you're going to start over writing things forever [TS]

00:26:48   and ever eventually get to the point where it's where you're actually making life harder would have been easier if you [TS]

00:26:52   just started from scratch because then you would have understood all the pieces [TS]

00:26:55   and you wouldn't because they fighting against a behavior you don't want you know. [TS]

00:26:59   Oh yeah I mean I think you know we've seen Apple take huge strides in that regard to to prevent people from having to [TS]

00:27:06   rewrite everything rewriting from scratch and you know especially since [TS]

00:27:11   when the truce was it I was six that brought in your appearance. It was I was five. [TS]

00:27:16   Either way the appearance proxy stuff has been amazing. [TS]

00:27:20   I was eight makes a lot of it even better with some of the new presentation controller stuff and this [TS]

00:27:25   and this new like adapters but viewing all this like all the stuff they're doing they're adding in those hooks. [TS]

00:27:31   And like every every eyelash release adds more of those like you know new delegate methods that you can override new [TS]

00:27:38   customers ations you can say you know it removes more and more reasons that you previously might have had to subclass [TS]

00:27:44   or replace something I think you know we're at a point now where both the A P I's have gotten really good so that the [TS]

00:27:52   need for massive like time sync projects of we need to rewrite your table view like things like that the need for those [TS]

00:27:59   has got. [TS]

00:28:00   So much lower and lower over time [TS]

00:28:02   and at the same time that the profitability of handcrafted well made I a less apt has also gone down dramatically that [TS]

00:28:10   I think it's time to realize like yeah all those times where you said you should like rewrite your table you control [TS]

00:28:17   or probably not. Now granted I'm a total hypocrite with this because I really like this like I rewrote a B. [TS]

00:28:25   Player basically if you're getting value out of that. [TS]

00:28:28   I was think of like Brent being [TS]

00:28:30   or you know that whole crew over there being somewhat prisoner somewhat prisoner to their own idiosyncrasies in that a [TS]

00:28:37   lot of the hack Sprint seemed like he was doing or because they wanted a particular appearance or transition effect [TS]

00:28:43   and they could get the same job done it just wouldn't look the way they want to look exactly [TS]

00:28:47   and you know probably the number of people who are going to notice a difference between the incredible work that you to [TS]

00:28:54   make some transition just so [TS]

00:28:55   and what they considered the unacceptable version the number of people would be very small whereas you did your cardio [TS]

00:29:02   stuff because it's like a headline feature of your application you can put it on a bullet point on the description you [TS]

00:29:06   can describe it to people and they see value in it whereas if Brent tried to explain [TS]

00:29:10   and again I don't know if the details are right. Sorry Brenda I'm getting it wrong if you try to explain. [TS]

00:29:14   See how this cross fades into that and that doesn't start out as white but fades in behind it. [TS]

00:29:18   That effect was really hard to get [TS]

00:29:19   and here's what I had to do to get a neighbor like what he felt like they don't care. [TS]

00:29:24   So you're not really the things that you were serving by doing your own thing [TS]

00:29:28   and called Asian were things that make sense in like a business plan whereas some people just can't abide by. [TS]

00:29:35   I mean we'll get to this if we get to the recover get the second item in the fall of Saddam I just can't abide by small [TS]

00:29:42   things that most people don't notice. Yeah I mean and to be fair I think that is part of their business plan. [TS]

00:29:49   You know like when [TS]

00:29:49   when you have an employee Vesper you know the whole selling point is it's basically you know taking up [TS]

00:29:56   but they've done it in like this extremely custom. [TS]

00:30:00   Everything is like extremely well thought out and well designed and implemented [TS]

00:30:04   and everything that that kind of that is their selling point to a large degree because there are so many other no [TS]

00:30:11   taking app out there you know like it's a less compelling selling point than what you can list in your bullet points [TS]

00:30:16   for like I had to do this choreo stuff because this feature you know smart to be everyone can understand it. [TS]

00:30:20   It's a good feature you press a button. [TS]

00:30:22   Like when I was trying to explain to somebody take notes but let me tell you exactly how beautiful and perfect U.I. [TS]

00:30:29   Is and you're right that is their value proposition I just think it's a it's a more narrow one than yours. [TS]

00:30:34   Yeah [TS]

00:30:34   and I think I would say to like a lot of that works because of who they are in the audience they have I think one of [TS]

00:30:41   the problems like Jared Sinclair with on red which actually I started you know this week because a reader reader only [TS]

00:30:46   two of them are updated yet but I swear I start trying to read this. We can actually like. I actually like it. [TS]

00:30:51   I don't I'm not quite as fast as I was with a reader yet and I'm not sure if I'll get there. I probably will. [TS]

00:30:56   I think on Red was a victim of you know many many problems and shortcomings that happened to it but also bad defaults. [TS]

00:31:05   Like I said there are some studies I didn't even know existed I went digging [TS]

00:31:08   and I've now customize it to be in my opinion much more a much better fit for me. [TS]

00:31:13   So anyway if you if you give unread a very quick look before [TS]

00:31:17   and didn't give it a say you didn't get didn't give it much thought. [TS]

00:31:20   Pogrom the settings and you make a rule set up the way you like. Anyway you know unread was a similar kind of thing. [TS]

00:31:25   It's like a fairly simple U.I. [TS]

00:31:28   With lots of custom work to do to have this like highly polished custom look and feel [TS]

00:31:35   and you know it got a lot of good reviews and everything but it didn't sell that well and I [TS]

00:31:41   and I think that that kind of shows like it is that can be a selling point and for Vesper it is [TS]

00:31:47   and I don't know how well Buspar sells but I think it's safe to say it hasn't taken over the world yet. [TS]

00:31:53   And I and I think it's you know you can look at that as a selling point that like hand-crafted ness and design and. [TS]

00:32:00   Taste like but the combination of all those tiny details as a selling point it's very hard to sell people on that. [TS]

00:32:06   That's why that's why I am inviting like you know if you have an i Pad app I'm telling you that's not worth doing. [TS]

00:32:13   There are certain areas that will make sense. [TS]

00:32:15   The app store three years ago [TS]

00:32:18   or more four years ago that would have made more sense because you could make more money off of that crowd you can make [TS]

00:32:23   more money off of that isn't a feature these days it's just so much harder you have to work so much leaner I don't [TS]

00:32:30   think it's a good trade off for most people. [TS]

00:32:33   Well here's the flip side of that side is what side they used to hear more years ago than you do now which is these. [TS]

00:32:41   Everyone involved here is that to some extent a problem or in the case of Vesper [TS]

00:32:46   and making the application that they want to make that expresses their values that they're making [TS]

00:32:50   and you know the note taking applications that they want to use. [TS]

00:32:53   So they're expressing their values through their work in the same way when you blog [TS]

00:32:56   or blogging the type of thing that you think you might want to read you making out that you want to make it so it is [TS]

00:33:01   like I want a note taking up it's beautiful in all these ways and so this is the app that I'm going to make [TS]

00:33:05   and that business models you know expressing yourself through your work is something I mean it. [TS]

00:33:14   If you're on TALK ABOUT like Daring Fireball the Web site does the same thing it's expressing yourself through your [TS]

00:33:19   work and it's satisfying to do that [TS]

00:33:21   and if you're lucky enough to the things you want to express resonate with other people then you can get an audience [TS]

00:33:25   for it [TS]

00:33:25   and you to some degree with the audio quality because you with all your crazy headphones in your amplifiers everything [TS]

00:33:30   care about audio quality. [TS]

00:33:32   So even though it also is explainable in a business plan you care about audio [TS]

00:33:36   and so make sense that you express those values by spending less time you started that particular application as a [TS]

00:33:41   prototype you know audio engine that's where you began the whole thing you're not just going to accept the system. [TS]

00:33:46   Yeah and I can make a system call and plays audio you know you dug into that part of it [TS]

00:33:51   and so I think that is also an expression of yourself you obviously care more about that than you do care about. [TS]

00:33:57   I really wish the the mini player could be. You know seven points higher. [TS]

00:34:02   So I'm going to write entirely custom control for it because otherwise it has to be to work right now. [TS]

00:34:09   I think maybe it may be an important distinction to make here is you know I said before when you know [TS]

00:34:15   when talking about overcast even talking an insta paper only. [TS]

00:34:19   I've said before that it's a good recipe for an app is to do one really hard thing [TS]

00:34:25   and everything else to do the easy way. So one really hard thing a bunch of easy things. [TS]

00:34:30   And within the paper the really hard thing was probably the text parser and [TS]

00:34:34   or things like that you know like do a very small number of very hard things [TS]

00:34:38   and then everything else do it the easy way. I end with overcast clearly the audio engineers the hard part. [TS]

00:34:44   Well I have a download or no download or I think I got to rewrite it again. The unexpected hard part. [TS]

00:34:50   I know I hate the damn water so much now I actually spent three hours today figuring out how to pop up an action menu [TS]

00:34:59   when you long tap a link in a web you and I did it and I even publish the code and it's an F C utilities and get a. [TS]

00:35:05   But oh my god that was anyway. And that might be an example of things not to spend your time on. [TS]

00:35:13   But what I'm saying is like you know with overcast that the hard part that I divest the tons of time in was with the [TS]

00:35:20   audio engine because that gave me marketable features that I wouldn't have had otherwise. [TS]

00:35:26   That you know it's easy to advertise it's the kind of feature that people will talk about [TS]

00:35:30   and it will get more people download the app. [TS]

00:35:32   It's a kind of fish that will set you apart from competitors for at least a little while [TS]

00:35:35   and that you know that has cleared direct selling value. Whereas if you do a bunch of those hard things in the U.I. [TS]

00:35:44   or Even one giant hard thing in the U.I. [TS]

00:35:47   You're very unlikely to see that kind of return from it like it's so much easier to get that kind of return if you're [TS]

00:35:52   going to do one or two hard things in them [TS]

00:35:55   and a bunch of easy things make sure those hard things are like things that will be. [TS]

00:36:00   Written marketable improvements for your app [TS]

00:36:02   but you do care about audio like it means that all the things that you can just speeding up [TS]

00:36:06   and slowing down if you just use whatever is a lot of the other part of that stool like skips around the news kind of [TS]

00:36:10   stutter that it doesn't sound like you care about audio like it's I don't say that the main reason [TS]

00:36:15   and you could you could channel that that person of value into all also there are these much more rational reasons for [TS]

00:36:22   doing it [TS]

00:36:22   but it helps that it's something that you care about there are plenty of other things that might also be market features [TS]

00:36:27   that you care less about or that don't [TS]

00:36:30   or even just make an app that you want like think about all the people who want like much more sophisticated storage [TS]

00:36:34   management [TS]

00:36:35   but that doesn't push your buttons so that's not the that's not the application you made even though it might be just [TS]

00:36:40   as marketable as you know playback speed. Yeah that's true and for a lot of people that is now. [TS]

00:36:46   So anyway the expression of your personal values within the application is sort of silly like follow your passion [TS]

00:36:53   whatever type thing but but that can work [TS]

00:36:55   and it like the the only thing you can take home from that is don't make an application that you don't like that [TS]

00:37:02   doesn't express any of your values just because you think that's what the public wants because at least if you fail [TS]

00:37:06   making that expresses some of your values in whatever you pick for the hard part [TS]

00:37:11   and then it's like well I was like Mike and noble endeavor whereas if you make an application [TS]

00:37:15   and you wouldn't even want to use and nobody buys it I think that's a worse outcome. That's true. [TS]

00:37:21   All right now that we are like forty minutes and let me give our first. [TS]

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00:38:38   Yeah I was really impressed by the you know it felt really cool and [TS]

00:38:42   and I like I like memory foam so that you know that actually means a lot that I was impressed by this. [TS]

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00:39:32   when I was first asked about you know whether we want to take the spot I was like Are you sure a mattress company [TS]

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00:41:19   I totally blame mark over that the rail because I was not in the fall although totally fair is breaking. [TS]

00:41:25   I've been holding that one set of problems I've been developing I've been I've been coding like a madman all week [TS]

00:41:31   and so I haven't blogged it all that all that should have been a blog post or a few blog posts actually [TS]

00:41:39   but I haven't had time to write it up and it's just easier to spew it all out of you guys on the show. [TS]

00:41:45   So accidental build and analyze exactly right why don't you tell us John about whether [TS]

00:41:52   or not the rest of the world uses N.F.C. Yeah this enough I was going to mostly just absorb it. [TS]

00:42:00   But enough people offended that I think it's worth clarifying case other people are misunderstanding as well. [TS]

00:42:05   We keep talking about Apple Pay contactless payment in the U.K. [TS]

00:42:08   Various other countries that have ways that you can pay for things by waving something next to something. [TS]

00:42:13   We kept getting feedback saying you think this is a reason that Apple Pay might not get adopted [TS]

00:42:19   but don't you know that all these things they left out whenever the things are kind of contact with Apple Pay [TS]

00:42:24   or whatever the brand name for the thing is their country. They'll use N.F.C. [TS]

00:42:28   So the hardware is all there [TS]

00:42:29   and I just wanted to clarify that yes we know we know the value of say if you don't know they always say Look up in a [TS]

00:42:36   P.D.F. and Read all about it. [TS]

00:42:38   That's the underlying technology of all these waves something new or some other thing some of these are if idea [TS]

00:42:42   but it's very some I don't think oh yes we understand the hardware they install very often is the same in all cases [TS]

00:42:48   they all say it's the reason we're talking about the way adoption is having a hardware isn't sufficient You also need [TS]

00:42:53   business deals to connect up to the parties involved in accepting the tokens that come from the device [TS]

00:42:58   and validating them and doing all that other stuff. [TS]

00:43:01   So that's it's not like we're saying that Apple Pay will have a hard time getting adoption because the you can use a [TS]

00:43:05   different hardware for the contact with all about business deals basically. [TS]

00:43:09   So would you say that the hardware is necessary but maybe not sufficient. [TS]

00:43:13   Yeah [TS]

00:43:14   and that was the question in the beginning because it was like the question was Well there's a couple questions about [TS]

00:43:18   Apple that is a building honestly on the phone. [TS]

00:43:20   First thing we learn is that Apple is I think not providing access to third party to screw with that N.F.C. [TS]

00:43:24   Hardware in the same way as they can on Android phone which is fine I guess a typical Apple way of doing stuff in a [TS]

00:43:30   second was one was is there anything at all special about the other end of the thing that you have to wave an Apple [TS]

00:43:37   phone against to use the N.S.E. [TS]

00:43:39   Device I think what we've learned is that there's nothing special about it it's all about who is connecting to one of [TS]

00:43:44   the back end but the actual point of sale hardware if you know if it's N.F.C. [TS]

00:43:49   and Has that little industry standard logo thing then just a matter of getting the deal set up. [TS]

00:43:55   All right moving on why don't we talk about the i Phones. Six plus healing which is in really grinding some designers. [TS]

00:44:04   Here's this weekend's I think Marco Ruutu earlier what do we know about this this is not substantiated [TS]

00:44:10   but I think because it was posted on Twitter. [TS]

00:44:14   But if they do it often they will post an image of text they will link to an image of text rather than linking to the [TS]

00:44:19   source web page or whatever. [TS]

00:44:21   So this was a tweet with an image of text and I usually figure I can do that will verbatim search [TS]

00:44:26   and pick out a unique phrase and find the web page for the text I just couldn't find this one. [TS]

00:44:30   I tried a couple different phrases [TS]

00:44:32   and could not find whatever this thing was referencing So who knows maybe it was a secret e-mail to somebody so I don't [TS]

00:44:37   even know if this is true [TS]

00:44:38   but this gets back to my sort of discomfort with the scaling of the i Phone six Plus which I will once again [TS]

00:44:45   reemphasize I do not think is a problem for regular people it is only a problem for people who care about these things [TS]

00:44:50   and we are small in number. [TS]

00:44:51   So anyway for people telling me that it doesn't matter that this happens you're right it doesn't matter. [TS]

00:44:55   Just matters to me anyway. [TS]

00:44:57   With out of the way here's another thing that if true makes me dislike it even more so than the i Phone six Plus has [TS]

00:45:05   basically a ten A.T.P. [TS]

00:45:06   Resolution like the actual native pixels on the screen [TS]

00:45:10   and you would think well that's not great because they're drawing things a three X. [TS]

00:45:14   Which is much bigger and they scaled down to an eighty [TS]

00:45:16   and that's the thing that's bothering me with the hairline shimmering stuff like that [TS]

00:45:19   but it's actually great if you're watching tonight video that you might have downloaded on to the device from the i [TS]

00:45:24   Tunes store or something hey perfect native screen for that not only to the right aspect ratio [TS]

00:45:28   but is actually exist with the native resolution of the movie or whatever. [TS]

00:45:33   But this random image attached your tweet says that if you do a screen captured in video playback you'll see that the [TS]

00:45:40   video is rendered a twenty two eight by twelve forty two. So the ten A.T.P. [TS]

00:45:44   Video is scaled up to the actual off screen rendered three X. [TS]

00:45:48   Resolution and then scale back down ten eighty for display purposes. [TS]

00:45:51   We're just crazy pants of true because here we hope that in this one instance in full screen video playback would say [TS]

00:45:57   you know what just because of the video and show it in a native. [TS]

00:46:00   We on the pixels because everything that is a perfectly I'll be said of this is true [TS]

00:46:04   and it will make me not like it even more. [TS]

00:46:06   Oh it's almost certainly true if you know the reasons why what it would take to not do that. [TS]

00:46:14   Like the amount of like exceptions in central processing it would take in the hardware [TS]

00:46:17   and software to let to let the O.-S. [TS]

00:46:21   Output different pixel mapping for just the video I just need to capture just need to capture the screen like back [TS]

00:46:27   and complained of the [TS]

00:46:28   when I first bought it was ever on the Internet complain about this like you did launch a mac game [TS]

00:46:31   and it wouldn't use the A.P.I. [TS]

00:46:33   To I think was called Capturing a screen [TS]

00:46:34   or whatever it may be either you call say look I'm taking over the screen I'm going to screw the screen I don't want [TS]

00:46:40   any other applications that are currently running to have any idea that I'm screwing with the screens all the [TS]

00:46:44   notifications they would normally get about like hey by the way did you know the users change the resolution of the [TS]

00:46:48   screen this is on a mac I'm talking about you might want to move your windows around [TS]

00:46:52   or you might want to adjust something whatever I'm going to call the A.P.I. [TS]

00:46:55   That says don't send anybody else think because I'm going to change just explorative authority so I can play Quake [TS]

00:46:59   or whatever is going on I do not want you to hose every single window on the screen and you know me. [TS]

00:47:04   Games didn't do that you'd launch them it would change a screen resolution destroy all your window placements [TS]

00:47:08   and I would just be incredibly angry because no one knew of that operation it's like you just have to call an A.P.I. [TS]

00:47:13   So anyway on the phone. [TS]

00:47:15   If they had a son this is understanding about something related to those guys somewhere in there that you could you [TS]

00:47:21   know capture the display devices I'm showing changed the output resolution while you're in full screen playback [TS]

00:47:27   and then just do your false gameplay back in that way but then what happens [TS]

00:47:31   when you tap the screen just to show the Bard it's got it has to capture you know it has to do the same thing would [TS]

00:47:36   happen if you had an hour standard this is we have the technology to do this you're right it's a little bit more of a [TS]

00:47:40   hassle but it has always sucked whenever anything has ever done me [TS]

00:47:44   but I know you can do it like knocking the did it well it was fine like you don't have to see the All tab menu at the [TS]

00:47:50   resolution that the game it changed into but then [TS]

00:47:52   when it specially other Apple go back to Reza none of the other apps would have any idea that the game is running [TS]

00:47:56   endeavour and different solutions sometimes that even show the game in a little while. [TS]

00:48:00   No You know the full screen thing would go into a window. [TS]

00:48:03   Whatever the native resolution anyway this is all probably weird and i OS [TS]

00:48:06   and is probably much more straightforward to do it you know the straightforward way [TS]

00:48:10   but it's like that's that's really a shame budget I think like taking ten days scaling up [TS]

00:48:14   and shrinking a backdown you just you just losing data and smudge [TS]

00:48:18   and again no one will notice this I totally agree that you will never be obvious with your naked eye it's all in my [TS]

00:48:23   head that's vapid thing like. [TS]

00:48:26   Academically if you think about it as a geek like us everything that the six plus does is gross [TS]

00:48:33   and weird with the way it's scaled the screen like it's it is rendering at not the right size [TS]

00:48:40   and scaling it down to the right size and by the way the right size is a weird weird D.P.I. Of three X. [TS]

00:48:48   Like like all of that is gross to people like us the reason why it works is because you don't notice. [TS]

00:48:55   Yes I know I said last time if you like scroll table view very slowly a look at the borders you can probably see them [TS]

00:49:01   shimmering. Yes that is visible when you're looking for it. [TS]

00:49:05   No you don't see it in real life [TS]

00:49:07   and I think you know thinking about what this would require to make this exception a fraternity peeve video first of [TS]

00:49:13   all how many people even watch ten E.P. Video on their phones. Well there's no i Tunes the right answers up he says. [TS]

00:49:21   Well if you're streaming it maybe if you streaming over a very good connection in an app that will actually serve that [TS]

00:49:27   to a phone maybe no I mean if you get it if you buy if you buy a movie from items that you attend any of these days you [TS]

00:49:33   do but isn't it like four gigs. [TS]

00:49:36   Oh yeah you download it onto your phone I don't I don't know what they spend a month they could be sending down rez [TS]

00:49:41   version of the I mean You Tube placed a native crowd on the desktop anyway I don't know if it still does i Tunes used [TS]

00:49:47   to when you buy a Tandy movie you would download two version they're down like a tentative version and like a lower [TS]

00:49:53   and I don't know whether seven twenty or something even lower than that mostly for putting on i Pods and i Phones and. [TS]

00:49:59   Anyway. Doesn't really matter. I think the number of people who will watch actual Teddy P. [TS]

00:50:05   Video files [TS]

00:50:06   or streaming video on their i Phone is probably pretty low I think most of the time people watching video on phones are [TS]

00:50:11   seeing low resolution than that and secondly for the people who are seeing thirty P. [TS]

00:50:17   Vo on their phone I think that the chances that they would ever notice anything wrong with the scaling you know any any [TS]

00:50:24   are affectionateness and any extra blurriness [TS]

00:50:27   or pixellation that I think the chances of that are so incredibly low that it is definitely not worth what would [TS]

00:50:34   probably be some pretty big complexity required to get that feature to work. [TS]

00:50:38   They we don't even know if this is what they're actually doing so for all we know they already are doing the more [TS]

00:50:42   complex thing. [TS]

00:50:43   It's mostly a shaman to niggas that's a perfect fit but in seven twenty it might actually be more noticeable. [TS]

00:50:48   They have more of a chance No I think it has got to go from center seven twenty all the way up to twenty two it by [TS]

00:50:53   twelve forty two and then back down to you know ten P. So it's a strange transition. [TS]

00:50:58   Good realtime follow up in the chat from Nathan. [TS]

00:51:02   How about video taken with the phone's camera [TS]

00:51:06   and that's that's a very good point that is that is probably the most common source of pain to be videoed on the phone [TS]

00:51:10   is from the camera that's a very good point I think that I think it still holds that most people would not notice the [TS]

00:51:17   difference between these two rendering modes [TS]

00:51:19   and therefore I really don't think I would question honestly whether anybody can tell the difference. [TS]

00:51:25   Like if they could set it up [TS]

00:51:26   or like a blind test to put away the shimmering hair lines you can see in the one the one we kept getting feedback [TS]

00:51:31   about was like I can't notice that anywhere except for the battery in your ear because the battery [TS]

00:51:35   or an indicator is on on the screen so much of the time in Iowa isn't because people are so familiar with the way I [TS]

00:51:39   look so I suffered on their other you know red and I was seven devices people regular aren't regular [TS]

00:51:46   but they're slightly closer to regular people can pick it up in the battery and they get regular people still care. [TS]

00:51:52   But the reason I bring this up again is because I was thinking back to the Keynote when they introduced the [TS]

00:51:58   and I you know it's not a king. [TS]

00:52:00   A feedback about that is only you know when you're setting the tone for a week of conferences this is not a Q. [TS]

00:52:03   No the I think we call it a kind called We will continue to use the the idiomatic definition of Keynote [TS]

00:52:11   when in the context of Apple stuff we mean a speech where Apple executives years products anyway where they made they [TS]

00:52:18   made a specific point of talking about the desktop quality hardware scaler [TS]

00:52:23   and at the time that seemed weird because like why emphasize that. [TS]

00:52:27   But it's kind of like it's not exactly like so please don't send me emails telling me this analogy is not apt because I [TS]

00:52:33   already know it's not. [TS]

00:52:33   But it reminded me of the the narrative device of hang a lantern on it where if you've got a plot point in a story that [TS]

00:52:40   doesn't make any sense rather than trying to figure out a way to make it make sense you just have one of the characters [TS]

00:52:46   in the scene. [TS]

00:52:47   Point out the thing doesn't make sense like you know the audience go hey this may make sense [TS]

00:52:52   but if you have a character on screen say that's impossible that can't be happening then that makes it OK. [TS]

00:52:56   Well this is kind of like they knew they had a device that was a weird compromise with a three X. [TS]

00:53:02   Scaled down to fit the screen [TS]

00:53:04   and they're trying to turn a weakness into a strength by explicitly bragging about the thing they have that makes this [TS]

00:53:08   hacker possible which is their desktop quality scale or whatever. [TS]

00:53:12   And by by hanging a lantern on [TS]

00:53:15   and by basically having the person on the stage say the things the nerds might be thinking Oh Well actually actually [TS]

00:53:21   let something cool about this thing the scale [TS]

00:53:23   or they have you know no one has ever thought of scalar which is probably just you know it's more hardware in the [TS]

00:53:28   G.P.U. G.P. Scale things really fast anyway. [TS]

00:53:30   I don't I don't think there's any dedicated hardware people can correct me if I'm wrong [TS]

00:53:33   but anyway the point the fact that they're pointing it out is kind of indignation that they're not particularly happy [TS]

00:53:39   with this whole scaling thing either but they're trying to spin it as something good [TS]

00:53:42   and this all gets back to the mystery that we still have of what a deal of this sort. Did they plan to do a native to X. [TS]

00:53:49   Meaning couldn't do it or did they always plan to do it this way. [TS]

00:53:53   And we don't know the answer that I've got conflicting feedback from two separate completely unreliable you know. [TS]

00:54:00   I'm sort of saying they totally plan to donate a three X. [TS]

00:54:03   Three and they just couldn't do it because availability and stuff [TS]

00:54:06   and other feedback saying the exact opposite that they always plan to do it this way [TS]

00:54:11   and it's not because they couldn't do native 3. X. So I don't know what to think. [TS]

00:54:15   All I know is that it bothers me and yes it will probably not bother almost anyone else in the world. [TS]

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00:56:14   OK So we're still talking about i Phones and i can then that's still a thing. [TS]

00:56:21   It's a little more action on the internet about a consumer reports that a bending test using actual equipment for [TS]

00:56:27   bending. [TS]

00:56:28   Although I just read the Consumer Reports thing that's linked to there [TS]

00:56:31   and I'm glad that he took out a little three point vending machine [TS]

00:56:35   and measured the force with a bunch of different phones is more or less what I was asking for [TS]

00:56:39   but I didn't see a bunch of tables showing all the results that came down to is there are some phones are stronger than [TS]

00:56:46   the i Phone six Plus there are some phones that are weaker the six plus I think actually did better than the plain old [TS]

00:56:52   six. [TS]

00:56:54   It was enough to sort of kind of say with more confidence that this is not really much of a story because the six [TS]

00:57:03   or six plus are not appreciably. They're not the bottom of the barrel. [TS]

00:57:07   They're not weaker than all the other phones that are out there. [TS]

00:57:09   They're not stronger though they're kind of in mid pack. [TS]

00:57:12   But as usual Dr drang had some more interesting posts in and around this topic. [TS]

00:57:17   They got I mean people are going the phones to him because he can run the tests and give us real results. [TS]

00:57:23   They got closer to the heart of the matter because force applied to the phones like to break them like what point does [TS]

00:57:29   a phone break or bend over. [TS]

00:57:31   It's not as important as some other you know more subtle [TS]

00:57:35   or things like how much force you have to apply before there is measurable permanent defamation because that seems to [TS]

00:57:43   be having a lot of people's phones maybe they'll care about that it's like OK well we figured out for breaking you know [TS]

00:57:48   the i Phone six and six plus are kind of mid pack. They pressed all the phones until they broke. Right. [TS]

00:57:54   But there may be many forces that a plastic phone can tolerate and spring back from right back. [TS]

00:58:00   Two it's full normal shape that would permanently to form an i Phone because made of aluminum [TS]

00:58:07   and the the other factor in that they could have delved into more was how much force is typically applied to a phone [TS]

00:58:18   based on the size of you have a really long skinny phone you can get more leverage [TS]

00:58:22   and apply more force to it I don't know how they would measure this one [TS]

00:58:25   but this is also a factor like saying that the six plus did better than the six in the first Test [TS]

00:58:30   but what are the expected forces in the front pocket of someone's pants of a taller phone versus a shorter from that [TS]

00:58:37   the machines are applying measure before a speech thing that you don't know like when I put this in my pocket. [TS]

00:58:42   Is the six plus going to experience much more force because it's longer and there's more leverage [TS]

00:58:46   and so even though the six is technically weaker it takes much stranger moves with your leg [TS]

00:58:51   or whatever to apply that force things. [TS]

00:58:53   So anyway I'm pretty convinced that the six [TS]

00:58:57   and six plus are material wise not any weaker substantially than on the other phones [TS]

00:59:05   but because the six plus is taller I think the the likelihood that forces will be applied to the six plus that are much [TS]

00:59:13   harder to apply to the shorter phones is high and so I think we'll still see lots [TS]

00:59:18   and because aluminum doesn't spring back like plastic does. [TS]

00:59:20   I still think we'll see the story ongoing [TS]

00:59:23   and I saw a tweet from somebody whose last name is swear engine which I think is great if you're a fan of the show His [TS]

00:59:31   name escapes me now. Go on the computer useless the deadwood. [TS]

00:59:35   Yes There you go then but Jeremy swearin Jim how did I know that it's very popular. [TS]

00:59:40   I didn't watch that show as I got to the first episode and didn't like the post [TS]

00:59:44   and you can try to get it gets better then too soon to set so maybe you should watch Firefly Casey had a show you know [TS]

00:59:51   how do you know that show. So he said he bent his i Phone six and kept it in his back pocket and never felt tight end. [TS]

01:00:00   So because of it [TS]

01:00:00   and the slight bends I mean if you search you can find tons of pictures of Ben five on five everything is well there [TS]

01:00:06   which is why I think this is just you know the media machine making these things more visible is one issue the second [TS]

01:00:12   issue is that if you make phones out of aluminium people keeping the pockets of aluminum can except amount to force the [TS]

01:00:19   do not break the phone but the Nevertheless the phone does not spring back from [TS]

01:00:22   and then you have a slightly bent phone. Do you care about that. Maybe you don't care. Maybe you don't notice me. [TS]

01:00:27   People are running around slightly bent i Phone five now and have no idea until they like put it on a table [TS]

01:00:31   and they go look at it from the side really carefully and say you know what this is a little bit bent. [TS]

01:00:35   So anyway that this continues to go on I think we expect to see more stories about it [TS]

01:00:40   but I'm much more chill about it now than I was before except for in the case of the plus where I think the outstanding [TS]

01:00:45   issue is that it's plenty sturdy plenty strong [TS]

01:00:48   but because it is a larger phone there is a potential for higher forces to be applied to it because of the leverage you [TS]

01:00:52   get between the edges in the middle of the phone. [TS]

01:00:55   So it's a little odd to me that aluminum was the choice of metal and where it is but it isn't. [TS]

01:01:00   I mean aluminum is soft and I know other harder metals are a lot more expensive [TS]

01:01:06   and this is where Dr drawing is ripping his hair out but I don't know it just seems like an interesting choice [TS]

01:01:12   and something that it's lightweight. [TS]

01:01:14   Yeah I know and that's the obvious answer [TS]

01:01:16   but I know that there's also all sorts of other properties too that might be desirable like the way it dents [TS]

01:01:21   or shatters or doesn't enter doesn't shatter like that's a good point that [TS]

01:01:24   when it's plenty strong I mean they make cars out of aluminum too like you just have to just have to apply it like it [TS]

01:01:31   was getting it. [TS]

01:01:31   If you made it a little bit bigger is not just because of our battery that you could put you know like a little side [TS]

01:01:35   impact beams like strengthening things make certain parts of it thicker and stuff like that. [TS]

01:01:39   I don't think you need to do it with the smaller sizes and maybe even with a bigger one. It's not an issue. [TS]

01:01:44   But like you [TS]

01:01:45   and I get we need someone with I don't know how you do the scientific test of forces that might be applied to a phone [TS]

01:01:51   in a pocket [TS]

01:01:52   but that that I think is open question anyway that this increased awareness is kind of like the medical student disease [TS]

01:01:58   where once you know all the things they can do. [TS]

01:02:00   Around with your body suddenly you think all of them are happening to you [TS]

01:02:02   and you become a hypochondriac temporarily Well now that everyone knows that bending phones a thing like Iran should [TS]

01:02:09   take their their five and five asses and put them on the table [TS]

01:02:12   and see if they're slowly kept looking for an argument get right on that. [TS]

01:02:16   Yeah I don't know what I would do that you joke about it but I bet you will have to use this expose for a couple weeks. [TS]

01:02:21   You you will find yourself inevitably saying you know I wonder if I have added a slight bend [TS]

01:02:26   and you look you can't help yourself you look better than you care if you say oh you know it is the bend like whatever [TS]

01:02:32   like you go back to your life but it's impossible not to check if you're into this type of thing. [TS]

01:02:37   Just out of curiosity if this really does happen to you where you are we are six [TS]

01:02:41   or six plus Benz I bet if you take a genius bar you know unless it will take you from the front of my car I bet though [TS]

01:02:47   you know they'll probably replace it for you. [TS]

01:02:48   Well this is like a high pitched noise for a massive thirty if you come in with a phone the Vita looks perfect [TS]

01:02:53   but you say put a watch if you put on the table in the table perfectly planned you shine a light you can feel loopy [TS]

01:02:58   contribute middle to the edges then you'll feel like a crazy person like I did [TS]

01:03:02   when I said that my power supply made I better find a massive thirty but it totally did. [TS]

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01:05:00   At check out their Web Start with your website. John tell me about the i Pod Touch. [TS]

01:05:06   It still exists I was just wondering like you know I knew that I thought that so few people do except for kids right. [TS]

01:05:13   I wonder if the people who want to small you know want i Phone five size things will become the new i Pod touch people [TS]

01:05:21   like there are people who want that definitely. [TS]

01:05:23   But that most other people don't and don't understand the desire and don't care about it and [TS]

01:05:27   when the small phone people are marginalized they'll be sad [TS]

01:05:31   but every else would be like well whatever an apple in the rest of the industry move on to bigger and phones [TS]

01:05:35   and you know complain about the i Phone six being too big for you the same way I complain about that [TS]

01:05:40   but that's not getting updated. Possibly and I'm on the verge of being one of those people. [TS]

01:05:46   I did get a lot of [TS]

01:05:47   and I think a lot of this came to us as well got a lot of feedback about how perhaps the six is a little too big [TS]

01:05:54   and well a lot is relative. It was a lot more than I expected it is I think what I'm trying. [TS]

01:06:00   OK And a lot of people came out of the woodwork to say you know what I agree with you the six is too big [TS]

01:06:04   and I really miss my five S. [TS]

01:06:06   and There are couple of people even e-mailed or tweeted to say I actually returned my six and bought a five S. [TS]

01:06:11   Presumably these are people who are on the five previously [TS]

01:06:15   and they didn't like the size so much that they actually went to a year old product because they felt like it was a [TS]

01:06:23   better fit for them. [TS]

01:06:24   So it's certainly possible that you will get an i Phone and then I'll be the idiot that's lamenting the days [TS]

01:06:32   when we used to have you know four inch phones and how much better that was for it just like you lament the days [TS]

01:06:38   when the I.P.L. Now the up a touch is never really been updated. [TS]

01:06:40   Never mind it was the fastest device at one time [TS]

01:06:43   when I got my first i Pod Touch it was faster than the i Phone those are the days or weeks or months. [TS]

01:06:49   Now you don't like me with my Subaru when I bought my super legacy it was quicker than the W R X at the time [TS]

01:06:55   and that lasted like a year. But man that was a good year. Tell me that I would in a lace glove that we have. [TS]

01:07:03   Well the question I asked the chairman you guys last time [TS]

01:07:06   and we got that answer is one of the we're talking about that this what he called antenna lines on the back of the six [TS]

01:07:13   and how the antenna lines are really [TS]

01:07:16   but they tried to give them some aesthetic interest by making them so beautifully flush with the back of the device [TS]

01:07:23   and I was saying I hope they stay that way because that is their main [TS]

01:07:26   and possibly only redeeming athletic value is the position with which they are made [TS]

01:07:30   and I said it was like that would end life thing where you make these intricate designed by fitting pieces of wood all [TS]

01:07:35   Mexico looks like on the surface and I asked what that was called and nobody knew. It's called Mark a tree Stevens. [TS]

01:07:42   I reckon yeah they gave us that answer and we all went to the media page mark a tree it's cool. [TS]

01:07:49   All right well speaking of interesting words yes we want another word we asked for my the side of Binah Tyrone I [TS]

01:07:57   dismissed it clean X. and Q tips. [TS]

01:08:00   And all those other things that are actually product names that have become placeholders for the entire category a [TS]

01:08:04   device that's called a proprietary eponym. So there you go. Well you'll be quizzed on these at the end of the year. [TS]

01:08:13   Darko Do you also feel better knowing these pieces of vocabulary that I've already forgotten. [TS]

01:08:17   I can't even I've already forgotten even how many we've learned. I'm going to predict surprise. [TS]

01:08:23   I can say right now I'm probably going to forget that when the market three I'll probably remember. [TS]

01:08:27   So the less useful one I'll remember. All right so we are in roughly an hour and a quarter into the show. [TS]

01:08:33   Is there any other follow up that you'd like to do before we start the show please. [TS]

01:08:39   When the structure was going astray to the poll show they thought were three sponsors this week Casper Squarespace [TS]

01:08:45   and of Ray's labs and we will see you next week. [TS]

01:08:49   Oh before I forget our friend Jonathan Mann who wrote our theme song who's generally awesome the song The day man. [TS]

01:08:54   He has a Kickstarter project called the Harry Potter E.P. [TS]

01:08:58   and He asked me to give I can see can give it a quick mention on the show because he's run out of time [TS]

01:09:04   and he really wants to make this he's only asking for a few thousand dollars a very very easy ask. [TS]

01:09:09   He recorded five songs about Harry Potter [TS]

01:09:12   and he basically wants to make them into like full productions with like the rest of the band like you know hire a [TS]

01:09:18   drummer and a record for the session and everything else and make an E.P. You can get it for just five bucks. [TS]

01:09:23   Go to kickstarter dot Jonathan Mann with two ends dot net and I'll put a link in the genitals also. [TS]

01:09:29   Thanks Jonathan and we will see you next week. Now over to be here. It was accidental accidental. [TS]

01:09:45   John thank you for having me. [TS]

01:10:06   As he was said for that list [TS]

01:10:11   and in the tradition of continuing to follow up into the after show the odd way it is in a tradition have we use that [TS]

01:10:41   wasn't our doing and the invisible spreadsheet thing. [TS]

01:10:45   I got a lot of comments on that didn't I talk about this the reason of the last show there was in the show [TS]

01:10:49   when I heard it right. [TS]

01:10:50   Yeah but I was referring back to a conversation in past shows where the so they originally brought up. [TS]

01:10:56   Well I believe you were referring back to something YOU SON THE you had quickly stated in another one of the after show [TS]

01:11:02   so it was it was a callback to an after show throw a line. [TS]

01:11:07   Did it stay in the didn't stay in the edit though did you leave it in. It did always. [TS]

01:11:11   I would not have taken that out to have bad memories because lots of people sending resenting feedback about the middle [TS]

01:11:16   as if the first time I said it was in the past that I was referring back to something that I've done anyway right so [TS]

01:11:22   now we have follow up on your previous joke about the after show that you had said before that and the energy OK. [TS]

01:11:28   I just called you K.C. That's fine. I'm certain I watch. I took a sample phone. Anyway it's not a joke. We are so done. [TS]

01:11:48   Holy hell. Oh Oh Oh Oh I completely forgot how to review. Oh yeah because the G.M. Came out of this. [TS]

01:11:56   This is like crunch time right now. But I went. [TS]

01:12:00   But all one had to change in screen shots was good going through like I saved. I'd take it on the screen shots already. [TS]

01:12:05   So after doing this long enough I'm trying to get a feel for like when do I feel like the graphics are locked down [TS]

01:12:11   and the U.I. [TS]

01:12:11   Locked down and you have to pick something so I think I picked the right build to do all my screen shots [TS]

01:12:15   and things did change. I said to G.M. [TS]

01:12:19   As my chance to go back through all my screenshots and defame all centrally to make sure [TS]

01:12:23   and I found some ones that they were really old that actually if I had retaken them for the for the bill you know I [TS]

01:12:29   took some screens out there early and it was sad because everything could change I stopped [TS]

01:12:32   and I took all my screenshots later [TS]

01:12:34   but didn't retake the ones I'd taken earlier so I knew I had to do some replacement and some sexing [TS]

01:12:38   and all the stuff I would really like a release date of the nice lunch I think now really helps with the whole lead [TS]

01:12:45   time and getting books into stores that like that [TS]

01:12:47   but I am adding a few tiny little things to you know the end read just throw in like two sentences on some new little [TS]

01:12:55   feature and throw in a screenshot of whatever and after that I feel like I'll be done and I can start. [TS]

01:13:00   I mean I've already started a production process of trying to get the book stuff in [TS]

01:13:04   or checking to find out that I'm still the I O. S. [TS]

01:13:08   Version of the Kindle app doesn't read the caf eight format which just blows my mind but whatever. [TS]

01:13:15   Yeah packing up my terrible Perl scripts that make these ebooks making them even more disgusting. [TS]

01:13:20   Is there any other kind of program is at the point now I get into my last review just over the line of like you know [TS]

01:13:29   with the sloppy lazy programmer type thing like well this is a throwaway thing I do want what is right it can be no big [TS]

01:13:33   deal right. [TS]

01:13:34   But in a certain point of use a certain minor number of times you would have your time would have been better spent [TS]

01:13:38   making like a real version of it in the beginning right. I think I'm just crossing that line now but like R.K. [TS]

01:13:44   Now I've used this enough times that if I'd just written [TS]

01:13:47   and read the first time I would've saved time in the long run [TS]

01:13:50   but it's way too late to write the right way this time so I'm just caring even less I'm just packing up [TS]

01:13:55   and making it work so that this is the last time this will be said goodbye. My so called ebook production system. [TS]

01:14:03   I'm for this and every other differences this could be a slightly different presentation on the I.R.S. [TS]

01:14:08   Web site and some slate and features I have them add to the C.M.S. For my review. [TS]

01:14:12   Blah blah blah blah and I was like a release date. [TS]

01:14:15   I can still get caught on my heels if they release thing tomorrow or Tuesday [TS]

01:14:18   or any other if they don't give me a you know several days notice to get this book built [TS]

01:14:23   and you know that they review edited [TS]

01:14:25   and copy edited bent because you can't build the book until everything that isn't a copy editor. [TS]

01:14:28   Then you build the bug when you submit books the store then they come out of Elbel anyway. [TS]

01:14:33   OK I'll be OK I just wanted to be over so you don't have any little birdies telling you even a theoretical restate. [TS]

01:14:40   Nobody tells me anything. [TS]

01:14:41   I mean nobody tells anyone anything really so they probably don't even know what the release date is they'll decide [TS]

01:14:45   when they decide it will all find out together and I just hope there's some lead time [TS]

01:14:49   but they don't care about you book production when they're picking their release dates. [TS]

01:14:52   You can build apps with the exco G.M. [TS]

01:14:55   Seed and some into them into the night caps or so in theory they could release the thing tomorrow. [TS]

01:15:01   Yeah I would say I mean we haven't heard anything about like another press event happening for new i Pads [TS]

01:15:07   and maybe some fall Iraq threaten may be happening and [TS]

01:15:11   and you simulate that's all going to be probably in some kind of press event sometime this month [TS]

01:15:17   but we haven't heard of it yet [TS]

01:15:18   and usually they announce them at least a week ahead of time so there's no no reason Yosemite has to be tied to that [TS]

01:15:24   even if they have even if they have read and IMAX being announced things like really steal seventy [TS]

01:15:29   or that you feel like it. [TS]

01:15:31   Hold it for the event todo after the event like this that I'm going to ship like the next day right. [TS]

01:15:37   It's unlike the in this is that a topic of conversation [TS]

01:15:40   and various blogs like unlike Iowa said ten does not seem to be tied to some got a ship got a got to put it out there [TS]

01:15:49   make or break a company product like the i Phone or it's like the new Five want to come [TS]

01:15:52   and they're going to have bio I say when the phones are ready the US better be ready [TS]

01:15:55   when the US is ready you know hope with phones are ready. There's no time like that for you. [TS]

01:16:00   So you know that's why he's not out yet though I will get around to us [TS]

01:16:03   and it's good like it gives him more time to work out bugs and all the other stuff [TS]

01:16:07   but it also means that I have no idea what is coming out so I'm sitting here now. Last time yeah to feel like it. [TS]

01:16:18   I'm I'm sad to hear. [TS]

01:16:19   I'm not surprised but I am sad to hear that like I think when when ten eleven or whatever gets released [TS]

01:16:27   and there's not a Syracuse a review to read it is it is going to feel like we're missing something big you know. [TS]

01:16:33   I'll talk if I mean I thought of a year make this my so I'm not you know not committing to anything now [TS]

01:16:38   or never just something that sort of feels like now [TS]

01:16:40   but if I do make the decision I will probably write up something explaining my readings [TS]

01:16:46   or they will explain it on here there are plenty of plenty of good reasons to to not do it [TS]

01:16:53   but like yet again I don't have to decide this until many months from now and I probably won't. [TS]

01:16:58   So area you know if the choice is between you continuing to do the review and still whining about the i Pod touch [TS]

01:17:07   or getting an i Phone [TS]

01:17:08   or not doing the review I'm happy for you to continue whining about your independent decisions there is no connection. [TS]

01:17:16   I'm just making sure just in case [TS]

01:17:18   and I'm still I'm still thinking that I'm I'm waiting for the October event to see what's happening now [TS]

01:17:22   but I didn't even have their i Pod That is I still get an i Phone So things i Phone chances are looking pretty good I [TS]

01:17:29   still don't have the case issue solved [TS]

01:17:30   and I'll have to look at what the i Pod touch is like to make a final decision [TS]

01:17:34   but you know I'm still in love with the Apple leather case but I really I feel like the thing is too slippery. [TS]

01:17:43   If I don't have a case on it and I'm too much for clocks anyway [TS]

01:17:47   and it doesn't bring it up in the i Phone gripping section all the people can play oh you said you drop your phone [TS]

01:17:54   that's I heard a forgotten about that. Yeah I know but like you're wise not to bring it up again. [TS]

01:18:00   I'd drop it while you can tell me when do you guys if you have ever dropped that I was nice [TS]

01:18:04   when does that happen to that happen when you're holding it in typing it. [TS]

01:18:06   Not for me you know it's there when I'm swinging my arm around like a crazy person like walking or whatever my nose [TS]

01:18:13   or when I'm going into or out of the pocket because if you miss the pocket going in that the problem [TS]

01:18:18   and if you turn to take it out of pocket in a hurry unlike the tight pocket need trying to grip it like there are it's [TS]

01:18:23   like a loose Buccaneer jacking trying to pull it out into an out of pocket or being picked up [TS]

01:18:28   or put down on some light shelf [TS]

01:18:30   or some other thing where you don't pay enough attention you know I put it all around the shelter you try to take it [TS]

01:18:33   off the slide to the edge could slide around. That's what him for such is done many times. [TS]

01:18:38   Not when I'm holding in my hands of the grip and me dropping it are not related to each other. [TS]

01:18:44   Nancy I've run into edges like I will hold it in my hand [TS]

01:18:48   and I am not using it I'm just holding it for whatever reason it's not my pocket [TS]

01:18:53   and I like the walking in swinging my arms as one normally does when you walk but apparently I kind of flail [TS]

01:19:00   or something when I walk in so a lot of times I clip an edge on a door frame for example [TS]

01:19:06   or some like that that's brutal [TS]

01:19:08   but I mean that's why I have a case of you have either one of you ever broken a screen and I was there as ever. [TS]

01:19:14   No I refuse to answer that. [TS]

01:19:16   So Casey as I have it I know I actually I've refused to answer because I know as soon as I say no I haven't I'm going [TS]

01:19:22   to bring in somebody that like you than the people in your that you know like there are phone screen beggars [TS]

01:19:29   and onscreen beggars like it's because if someone has ever broken the screen on their i Phone chances are high that [TS]

01:19:36   they've done it more than once of that [TS]

01:19:37   and I've known for years whereas people who have never done it does have these claims [TS]

01:19:40   and it's just different in habits [TS]

01:19:42   and handling I think you can just toss up a chance like feel like people go into two bins there [TS]

01:19:47   and it's mostly like people who are like obsessively careful that there are little things we don't want to be [TS]

01:19:50   scratching to babying it or more likely not to drop of the people who just read like supposed to be treated [TS]

01:19:56   and every once in a while they break you know I haven't broken one yet. [TS]

01:20:01   I've put some small dents but big enough dents that noticeable in both my i Pads [TS]

01:20:08   and my i Phone still another six yet but I've never not yet have I shattered a screen [TS]

01:20:16   and I know it's only a matter of time. [TS]

01:20:18   A The worst thing I've done too and I was device was the first time I brought my i Pad three to the D.C. [TS]

01:20:23   and I had it in my backpack and I had it in like a little petty case thing [TS]

01:20:26   but my backpack didn't have a lot of padding at the bottom so I went to put my backpack down like in front of me. [TS]

01:20:31   You know sitting down in the seat. [TS]

01:20:33   Must a bunk of the corner of the i Pad And if you look at it really closely you can see the aluminum is what I would be [TS]

01:20:39   dead today and I'm one of the corners only I would notice this [TS]

01:20:43   but that's the worst I've done to show us the way so far. [TS]