The Accidental Tech Podcast

86: Moving the Party to the Bar Down the Block


00:00:01   They can avoid it. Now you can have you can have your minutes in the sun here. How can I even know what this is about. [TS]

00:00:10   Neither do I know. [TS]

00:00:11   Neither one of you remember back in the day when I used to do an after net broadcast when we went live. [TS]

00:00:20   You don't do that anymore do you. Now I'm done and while I don't even post the show links to happen anymore right. [TS]

00:00:25   Well with that in mind do you want to ask me how many people were complaining about me not doing up to now broadcast [TS]

00:00:33   anymore. [TS]

00:00:34   You know actually it would not surprise me if there were one [TS]

00:00:38   or two people who did because it seemed like the kind of person who ever received an apt broadcast probably feels [TS]

00:00:44   entitled to keep receiving after night broadcasts. Actually no it's my recollection not a single soul said anything. [TS]

00:00:52   Sorry that's the truth and also an equally explainable trying to test. Well that's too bad. [TS]

00:00:58   Hey now we're all using Hello. [TS]

00:01:00   Oh yeah the thing I logged into once yeah I logged in ones I followed everywhere anyone I could find define using [TS]

00:01:07   Fairport we have it we have accounts I don't I think I did post on Tyre a poster reply to someone some in some areas [TS]

00:01:13   and I replied but I don't know what's going on on that side and all that is one of my username and I didn't get that. [TS]

00:01:21   I got sort of pretty well I got my username couldn't get Marc Of course [TS]

00:01:25   but I got my I got my current at least I got my username and found some people to follow and my current well [TS]

00:01:31   and now what I've followed some people want to follow and what do I put here [TS]

00:01:37   and you can you can do the kind of leverage media it's kind of like having between Twitter [TS]

00:01:40   and Tumblr you can do kind of a rich media thing [TS]

00:01:44   or combined thing it is doesn't seem to be any kind of reasonable post limiter in it like that [TS]

00:01:47   but it's like I don't really know what to put there because I use Twitter. [TS]

00:01:54   I hang out on Twitter the people I talk to are on Twitter it's exact same problem I have that are not even at the [TS]

00:01:59   beginning. [TS]

00:02:00   Which is which was not it wasn't that nobody was there because a lot of people were there [TS]

00:02:04   and I was the same thing L.O.L. Lots of people are on L.-O. Officially. [TS]

00:02:07   But the question is like when I have a thought that I want to post or when I have a question I want to ask. [TS]

00:02:13   Where do I put it. [TS]

00:02:14   If you put it on both then it's kind of awkward for people who follow you in both places the kind of annoying. [TS]

00:02:20   And if you're only going to put on one place chances are Twitter is the better place for it for most purposes it [TS]

00:02:26   doesn't really solve the problem of how do you split yourself between these two services like if Elo had come out [TS]

00:02:33   when Twitter was pissing us all off [TS]

00:02:35   and after that came out it would have had a better chance after Net was a decent idea at the right time for the most [TS]

00:02:44   part that was not executed that well. [TS]

00:02:47   And then you know the motivation for it kind of faded away because Twitter like is always going to be shifting in [TS]

00:02:53   directions that we don't like. You know Twitter Twitters moves are going to be like the kids these days. [TS]

00:02:59   For us it's good like what they're going to just keep doing things that push it in a direction because you know [TS]

00:03:04   basically Facebook and Twitter both extremely envy the other and in ways that make both products [TS]

00:03:12   and desist substantially worse [TS]

00:03:14   and so I think you know if Twitter is going to keep adopting like the worse things about Facebook Twitter is going to [TS]

00:03:22   do it in a way it's going to be like the bull in the frog thing like they're going to do like little things here [TS]

00:03:27   and there on the way it's not going to be like one massive change. [TS]

00:03:31   It's going to make all of us run fleeing I think five years from now what Twitter is would be nearly unrecognizable to [TS]

00:03:39   us today. [TS]

00:03:41   But it's going to be done that way over you know in a gradual way it can be done over that span so that we slowly won't [TS]

00:03:48   notice that we're being boiled. [TS]

00:03:51   And so there's never going to be this one event that kicks all of us off or drives us all to go. Sway. [TS]

00:04:00   It's just something else to go like we're all going to leave at once the whole party is moving over to the bar down the [TS]

00:04:05   block like there's not going to be like one event that pushes us all and you know [TS]

00:04:11   and if you are the bar down the block at that point you know you could benefit hugely from that. [TS]

00:04:16   But that probably won't happen [TS]

00:04:19   and chances are you're going to lose a bunch of people on the one the way to other things like [TS]

00:04:24   when Napster was shut down everyone didn't just go to one thing. [TS]

00:04:27   There was like five different things you know there's always happens whenever any kind of like community major social [TS]

00:04:32   site like when when something goes away the people kind of scatter and fragments over different places. [TS]

00:04:38   So as long as we want to keep talking to the people that we're talking to on Twitter we're going to be keeping using [TS]

00:04:43   Twitter for that and know the service and the chants you know like [TS]

00:04:47   when you take copyrighted material like they call the you know piracy or whatever [TS]

00:04:51   but it's not really theft in the digital realm because [TS]

00:04:55   when you download an item the person who gave it to you STILL HAS IT LIKE IT'S NOT displacement in a digital bit they [TS]

00:05:04   copied everything so right like it's a different type. [TS]

00:05:06   Well in social networking I think the phenomenon of the yellow You know you your knowledge of what's all the some of [TS]

00:05:13   the party to the bar down the block when anything like L.L. [TS]

00:05:16   Comes along even though we're not we have the baseline dissatisfaction with Twitter that's kind of always simmering [TS]

00:05:22   there. We don't all leave Twitter but we do is we all go to the bar down the block. But we also stay in Twitter. [TS]

00:05:29   So it's like you know it's like when you take a digital bits or whatever the original person still has [TS]

00:05:33   and we're still on Twitter but we're also we all run over to Ella and then we get there [TS]

00:05:37   and it's like this empty white room and it's kind of boring and we try to get a username and Emily [TS]

00:05:44   but we never left Twitter so it's like the digital equivalent of a call to the bar and we all do. [TS]

00:05:48   I think every time something new comes up like well it's kind of like Twitter [TS]

00:05:51   but not Twitter someone asked me on Twitter right now what is it what is it that is supposed to be appealing about [TS]

00:05:57   yellow I said it's kind of like Twitter. But not Twitter. [TS]

00:06:00   That's the appeal of all these things I would love something that's kind of like Twitter [TS]

00:06:04   but isn't Twitter just sort of pisses me off and pay the X. Y. and Z. [TS]

00:06:07   And so we all think whatever we do for ourselves [TS]

00:06:09   and we go over to not only go over to a maybe that that is well go over to L O or net [TS]

00:06:17   or whatever because it looks if you squint it looks kind of like Twitter and we all don't like Twitter [TS]

00:06:23   and maybe this will be the next when we get there [TS]

00:06:24   and it's like you know I mean you write it like if there was a big event that actually kicked us out physically [TS]

00:06:29   speaking so we couldn't we had to leave Twitter. [TS]

00:06:31   But even then even if we got all pesky little keep our Twitter account to keep using it [TS]

00:06:35   and we're going to keep using it until something else is out there that makes us want to move to it [TS]

00:06:41   and do stuff there instead. [TS]

00:06:43   I don't think we're ever ever going to be a time where we leave Twitter [TS]

00:06:46   and start using something else in one fell swoop. [TS]

00:06:48   Yeah you know we're always going to stay on Twitter [TS]

00:06:51   and be they'll be some kind of transition because we just never make it over the hump during the transition [TS]

00:06:55   and after that we got pretty far. [TS]

00:06:57   There was conversations happening there that a lot of people that we knew it just you know we also still stayed on [TS]

00:07:02   Twitter. [TS]

00:07:03   Yeah [TS]

00:07:03   and Ellen also has the problems of like they seem to get really popular really quickly before they were quite ready for [TS]

00:07:11   it. Not in a scaling way I mean I don't know if they had challenges their Twitter to do so. [TS]

00:07:15   Well that's true but but in the way that they like they don't have a mobile app. [TS]

00:07:21   Their web app is just barely functional. [TS]

00:07:24   Yeah they don't have any apps that's one of the reasons I'm not using it at all where is the app for my mac Where is [TS]

00:07:29   the app for my i Pod It's like well I don't I'm not going to that Web site I mean that's like if you if you are [TS]

00:07:35   launching any kind of like social product today [TS]

00:07:39   and you don't have at least an i Phone app you're dead in the water like that. [TS]

00:07:44   That's where people go like launching in the web browser might seem like a good idea to some web nerds [TS]

00:07:50   but the fact is the web browser is no longer the preeminent platform for this sort of thing the i Phone app is [TS]

00:07:55   and it's the work of the Web browser the works for a like if you're whole if you're going to be anything like. [TS]

00:08:00   First whole thing is a text box that holds a small amount text in a button [TS]

00:08:03   and then underneath it a big list of other blurbs of texts like it's doing that in a web page is not optimal it's [TS]

00:08:11   practically designed for mobile like it's it is the mobile Facebook like get rid of everything today one text field in [TS]

00:08:18   a box and you put some words in there not a lot of them and you press a button [TS]

00:08:21   and then you scroll through this big giant table you like Twitter is made for. [TS]

00:08:25   Well yeah that's true but you're saying that you wouldn't want to go to the Web site but don't you use the G. [TS]

00:08:31   Mail web interface rather than like mail or airmail the G. Mail is massive. [TS]

00:08:36   Emails are not one hundred forty characters they're organized in complicated ways not just a big linear timeline they [TS]

00:08:42   require actions and filing and replies like that email is not Twitter No it's not Twitter [TS]

00:08:48   but I don't want to struck me odd that you immediately you know snow on the Web site and it's all [TS]

00:08:55   and it's also because like you want to [TS]

00:08:56   and you want to dedicated to a place to do this thing I ever than I I saw because they could take some of the screen [TS]

00:09:02   or whatever [TS]

00:09:03   but on the mac I don't want to dedicated entire browser tab to never mandatory Web site is just not nice these days [TS]

00:09:10   and well I don't like it anyway so it will do what it never was nice I mean let's be honest it was nice there like it [TS]

00:09:16   was like all the things you're talking about Twitter doing that we don't like a lot of the manifest in the web site [TS]

00:09:21   with the crazy lines between post trying to show that I guess just I just want a big linear time ordered stream [TS]

00:09:27   and that's that's when you get I was divisive that's what I get in my little back up that I used and everything's good. [TS]

00:09:33   Yeah and L.O.L. [TS]

00:09:34   Like their business model their appeal I think the reason why people are actually using it is because it's a new thing [TS]

00:09:43   that's kind of like Twitter and everyone wants to establish their username there. [TS]

00:09:47   We put a whole bunch and so anyone actually using it because I'm not trying to like you know be funny or anything. [TS]

00:09:52   I've seen two or three posts on Elo that have been linked probably on Twitter and that's about it and I walked into it. [TS]

00:10:00   Like we were saying earlier wants to grab my username and like set the bare minimum of profile information [TS]

00:10:05   and I literally have not logged in sense. [TS]

00:10:08   Yeah I'm the exact same way I left email notifications on so just in case some people are trying to contact me you know [TS]

00:10:14   that email about and that happened once and I replied but that's it. [TS]

00:10:17   Yeah that's [TS]

00:10:18   and that's I think the best hope of drawing people in is like you know those notifications are on by default [TS]

00:10:23   but you know and you know their whole their whole appeal is supposed to be that they're never going to have ads right. [TS]

00:10:29   That's that's what they're saying we're never going to have ADD You know we're going to somehow fund ourself through [TS]

00:10:34   basically like donations and Kickstarter like things from like that I don't know the details [TS]

00:10:38   but I don't see that working and they have V.C. Funded or not they may say whatever they say but in reality there V.C. [TS]

00:10:45   Funded right and the thing is like a company can say whatever it wants at the beginning and you can you can say [TS]

00:10:51   and you can meet I'm not saying they're planning on lying to us [TS]

00:10:54   or that they're planning on changing direction later I'm not saying that the people today can can think and say [TS]

00:11:01   and do whatever they want but the fact is this can always change in the future at any time in the future. [TS]

00:11:08   Maybe the founders aren't aren't there anymore maybe someone else takes over the company. [TS]

00:11:12   L O if it even started to take off we would not really be getting anywhere. [TS]

00:11:18   Compared to where we are on Twitter because Twitter is a lot of great things [TS]

00:11:23   but its main downsides for like the good of society basically its main downsides are that it's centralized [TS]

00:11:31   and secondarily it used to have a lot of big scaling problems of those really mostly a thing of the past now. [TS]

00:11:37   Now if we go to L O L It will have the exact same scaling challenges if it actually gets enough people in [TS]

00:11:43   and of usage to be viable. [TS]

00:11:45   They're going to face all the same things we're going to start from start start again from zero to get in from like two [TS]

00:11:50   thousand five hundred then at the end if they if they actually manage to have a big mass of people using it. [TS]

00:12:00   And it can replace Twitter for us. [TS]

00:12:02   We still have one centralized company controlling this medium and Twitter has shown this really is its own medium. [TS]

00:12:10   But it's unfortunately medium tied to its network and you know as you saw like with tent [TS]

00:12:16   or whatever the whatever it's called [TS]

00:12:17   and they rename it over that is cupcake you know that it OK I think it's OK whatever that whatever that is or was. [TS]

00:12:26   Decentralizing this is hard it's a hard problem but ello is not solving that problem neither was apt. [TS]

00:12:32   NET these these companies they're starting just like a new Twitter it's [TS]

00:12:36   and it's going to have in the best case scenario if they if they succeed [TS]

00:12:41   and actually make these things it's going to go through all the same challenges Twitter has gone through with scaling [TS]

00:12:45   and growing the community and moderation or lack thereof and spam [TS]

00:12:50   and abuse all those there's those are all going to hit it [TS]

00:12:53   and at the end we're still going to have this one centralized company that controls all of this [TS]

00:12:58   and what if that company A.O.L. [TS]

00:13:01   Oh seem like they're nice and customer friendly now but started Twitter when they started and that was a long time ago. [TS]

00:13:09   Most of those people have moved on and it's a very different company with very different needs [TS]

00:13:13   and different stakeholders now and a different controlling party really [TS]

00:13:18   and so that that can happen to any company like this. [TS]

00:13:21   What we need to be designing is an alternative that can satisfy the roles the Twitter service for us [TS]

00:13:29   but in a way that is a decentralized protocol a standard is not one central server that does all this work that is [TS]

00:13:36   owned by a private company is a protocol like email or D.M.'s like that's what we need. You know whether it's R.S.S. [TS]

00:13:43   Based I don't really care about imitation details. Dave Winer can have his R.S.S. World if you want. [TS]

00:13:48   That's fine I don't care how it works but that's the kind of thing we need [TS]

00:13:54   and I know I know people are saying people in terror tell me I know that's what tent slash cupcake. [TS]

00:14:00   Was or is it didn't take off and maybe it's because it was at the same time it out at night [TS]

00:14:05   and so it was like it was too competitive I don't know. And there are a lot of problems. [TS]

00:14:10   There's a lot of challenges in developing that sort of thing with especially with things like identity [TS]

00:14:15   and discover ability of other people on the network. [TS]

00:14:17   But that's that is the kind of solution we need to the Twitter being kind of a problem. [TS]

00:14:24   It's not to say to build another company up to this point it's to eliminate the need for these companies for this [TS]

00:14:32   medium. [TS]

00:14:33   I just don't see how we're going to get there [TS]

00:14:36   and I say that because Twitter's really good at grabbing all walks of life. [TS]

00:14:43   It started with the super nerds and then it's ending it's ended it's carrying on through you know superstars. [TS]

00:14:52   And I'm not trying to say that that like popular musicians are popular actors or what [TS]

00:14:57   or whatever are not intelligent but they value very different things than the nerds do [TS]

00:15:01   and it's taken a very a series of very specific decisions by Twitter the company in order to make Twitter the product [TS]

00:15:09   to be something that appeals kind of to everyone and yes Leon the nerds like me and you [TS]

00:15:14   and we all grumble about things that they do but in the end of the day as he said before this is the popular bar [TS]

00:15:19   and what's weird about Twitter is it's a very I can think of better word than democratic [TS]

00:15:25   or unifying perhaps everyone is kind of sort of on the same page on Twitter Yeah you know I may have more [TS]

00:15:30   or less followers and other people like I have a lot less followers and you too for example [TS]

00:15:34   but really anyone can pretty much talk to anyone else [TS]

00:15:38   and that's not something you see in a bar it's not something you see in regular society and [TS]

00:15:43   and to have a regular schmo deal with something that's decentralized that doesn't have a real easy onboarding [TS]

00:15:51   experience that isn't something like the web that is so deeply deeply rooted in the Internet that it's it's. [TS]

00:16:00   It's gotten past the fact that it's kind of weird onboarding in your L's are funny [TS]

00:16:04   and what is dot com really mean etc I just don't see how it scientists cupcake whatever we're calling it. [TS]

00:16:10   I don't see how it could get there. [TS]

00:16:11   Well look at it look at email I think email is is a great example of how this kind of thing could happen [TS]

00:16:17   and the left the result. [TS]

00:16:19   So email is exactly what we're talking about it is a decentralized social network that has [TS]

00:16:25   and it has a Discover bill the challenges it has problems with spam and abuse. But we've managed to make it all work. [TS]

00:16:32   It isn't like we don't have this like panacea of dictum where everybody has their own domain name [TS]

00:16:38   and everyone's you know everyone owns their legal identity. [TS]

00:16:41   No we have a lot of people like that but then we also have like G. Mail and Yahoo Mail and M.S.N. [TS]

00:16:46   Mail these like massive conglomerates that let anybody create an email account [TS]

00:16:50   and a lot of people are fine just doing that any and that is very centralized within that service [TS]

00:16:55   but it's still in our operated everything else [TS]

00:16:57   and none of the services are ever going to get powerful enough to control the medium. [TS]

00:17:01   I hope Google but it doesn't have to be like total decentralize like you know Bitcoin poor kind of stuff. [TS]

00:17:08   Of like every nerd has their own thing or rather every nerd's required to have their own thing [TS]

00:17:13   and every user is required to be a nerd. It doesn't have to be that way. [TS]

00:17:16   It can be more like the way email does work which is the nerds can get their identities in their own domain if they [TS]

00:17:21   want them and everyone else can go to some central provider this is really isn't this exactly what tents did. [TS]

00:17:27   Everyone else can go to that can go to like you know a couple of the big popular providers [TS]

00:17:30   and get some kind of fraternity and I worry about it. [TS]

00:17:32   Yeah that's a tent thingy of cases problem of how how do you get something like tent which has existed for a long time [TS]

00:17:39   or a cupcake not Iowa which is the actual domain name. [TS]

00:17:41   I did get that sketch on I think the best shot in the current environment is for something I don't know the technical [TS]

00:17:48   details of cupcake guy or whatever [TS]

00:17:49   but for something like that to not actually be the product so if you can imagine presence of bitcoin that it caught on [TS]

00:17:56   better because it had a better user interface or whatever or some some kind of. [TS]

00:18:00   Sort of peer to peer concert network consensus based protocol for doing something that ends up being very valuable too [TS]

00:18:10   to a lot of people like whether it's you know I mean other than people trying to launder money right. [TS]

00:18:14   I'm taking monetary things just because Bitcoin is an obvious example [TS]

00:18:17   but like the purpose of the system was like well this is kind of a weird thing [TS]

00:18:21   but actually people totally use it as a way to transfer money from each other without a central mediating authority [TS]

00:18:27   with consensus spacing or whatever like I mean obviously we know how Bitcoin is and that up [TS]

00:18:31   and all the weirdness internet [TS]

00:18:33   but I would something like that where someone builds an underlying infrastructure for this is what you need for this if [TS]

00:18:39   you don't have a central server you need some way for for it to be more or less peer to peer [TS]

00:18:43   but for there to be consensus of everybody about what is the nature of the timeline [TS]

00:18:47   and how do we agree that the that this is the time line and that it has been poisoned with fake things [TS]

00:18:53   and you really said Twitter serves that role and essential I think Twitter determines what is [TS]

00:18:57   and isn't a tweet to get permalink throw things also stuff it's not like email where you can be store and forward [TS]

00:19:02   and you have your own private repositories and you can delete them it'll be gone you know doesn't have you [TS]

00:19:06   or else you need some kind of centralized way to figure out where where the you know what's it called tweets where the [TS]

00:19:12   tweets are one of the euro of which we can approve the street was really made verified checkmarks all that stuff [TS]

00:19:18   but you don't want to have a central authority so that's kind of a bit going does with the you know it's weird Pash [TS]

00:19:23   bakes consensus thing but you know it's peer to peer [TS]

00:19:27   but a large mesh network where no one noticed that they tend to Congress has more federated with islands [TS]

00:19:32   and there could be very large islands the equipment to Hotmail and G. Mail rever. [TS]

00:19:36   But anyway a system like that [TS]

00:19:38   but not built for anything having to do with Twitter merely built for some other thing that has a readily explainable [TS]

00:19:44   highly lucrative reason for being that causes it to come into very common use and to be built out everywhere [TS]

00:19:52   and for every operating system to have it built in and have a client in every platform and. [TS]

00:19:58   And then like it can all come tumbling down. I'm kind of like but going May right. [TS]

00:20:02   But during the interim when when [TS]

00:20:04   when that was being distributed everywhere because lots of people making money using this network the infrastructure [TS]

00:20:08   this may work. [TS]

00:20:10   People said hey you know what else we can do it on this network we can send it a little message to talk about whatever [TS]

00:20:14   it is we're doing transferring the money [TS]

00:20:15   or whatever other even of the gaming thing massively online peer to peer multiplayer gaming you know whatever the [TS]

00:20:21   infrastructure is at some point they'll say you know you can use the same mental infrastructure to send tiny little [TS]

00:20:26   messages to each other. [TS]

00:20:28   Kind of I guess I must take you back on you know on the voice network for cell phones [TS]

00:20:31   and that is the only way we're going to get a Twitter like thing I think because it has to be like sort of snuck in [TS]

00:20:38   behind some other thing that that pays for the pays for [TS]

00:20:42   and is the tractor to pull this massive really complicated infrastructure to spread it across all devices [TS]

00:20:46   and the entire network and then some and shoving little messages there and then have the other thing probably implode [TS]

00:20:52   or whatever and what you're left with is like oh well now we have all these clients and all these servers [TS]

00:20:56   and all this stuff. [TS]

00:20:57   And for this you know this peer to peer network with no centralized authority to authentically exchange small messages [TS]

00:21:03   with each other [TS]

00:21:04   and what it is that I mean maybe you know that I was trying to take away my massive centralized as well [TS]

00:21:09   but anyway that that I think is the best the best case scenario the most likely scenario because I just don't see a way [TS]

00:21:15   like Casey where something whose origin is in I want to be a Twitter like thing [TS]

00:21:20   but I'm distributed I don't see how that ever gets to critical mass without being pulled behind something as sort of [TS]

00:21:25   camouflage for it. [TS]

00:21:27   Complicating this problem like the way social sites grow is kind of random it's kind of like you know it's kind of like [TS]

00:21:34   fashion it's like you know what what's going to succeed and fail. [TS]

00:21:37   You can you can increase your chances decrease your chances with the choices you make [TS]

00:21:41   but ultimately it's kind of random what ends up being picked up and taking off [TS]

00:21:46   and it has a lot to do with things like like you know who goes there what exactly when it comes like [TS]

00:21:51   when it comes around [TS]

00:21:52   when someone hears about it like we're all talking about tent like it's already dead we don't even know because at the [TS]

00:21:57   moment the tent was launched we looked at it. [TS]

00:22:00   It didn't solve our problems at that moment so we moved on [TS]

00:22:03   and I disliked in my last message from five months ago I think I squatted on either lists or K.C. [TS]

00:22:11   Lists on hand and just like L.L. Never looked back. [TS]

00:22:16   What I do want to ask you guys this is a gender genuine question has there been any sort of services [TS]

00:22:23   or protocols like email like R.S.S. [TS]

00:22:27   That have a resume significantly after say the late ninety's when the when the [TS]

00:22:33   when the Internet as we know it today kind of took off from thinking like Bit Torrent as a protocol that's taken off to [TS]

00:22:41   a degree but it's still a little bit on the silly side. [TS]

00:22:44   But there's been no Twitter there's Facebook I guess that's still centralized Is there anything that bit the bit [TS]

00:22:49   torrent and Bitcoin combine kind of Bit Torrent it's tracked us piracy right. [TS]

00:22:55   That's the thing like no I want to deal with this stuff [TS]

00:22:57   but if it means you can get free stuff then you know so that spread you can get a bittorrent client for everything [TS]

00:23:02   right [TS]

00:23:02   or other they have the tracker problem looks like it's like kind of centralized exactly so that is not distributed Bitcoin. [TS]

00:23:08   The tractor there was like laundering money or buying drugs [TS]

00:23:11   or whatever like you know a way to exchange money between parties who don't trust each other right. [TS]

00:23:17   And you know speculative you know trying to get rich quick by you know like there was a tractor behind behind bitcoin [TS]

00:23:25   as well and that is like Bit Torrent in that it had a tractor to pull it [TS]

00:23:29   and also what I was talking about where there's no central authority are does have the consensus problems of like if [TS]

00:23:34   anyone gets more than fifty one percent more than half of the computing power you can theory poising the block [TS]

00:23:39   and also that you know the little [TS]

00:23:40   or big long Glenn Fleishman was it new disruptors I think it was a talk show maybe was a talk show via trying to [TS]

00:23:47   explain any way they can it's not it's it's a little bit to wrap your head around [TS]

00:23:50   but for the most part like it's not a great system for what I was describing [TS]

00:23:54   but it's like Bit Torrent Plus this other thing and I feel like there's something else out there if it's not. [TS]

00:24:00   Piracy or buying drugs or laundering money. [TS]

00:24:03   So maybe it's porn maybe games right some other tractor is going to pull whatever the next iteration of this is because [TS]

00:24:10   I don't think either one of those is sufficient to be an infrastructure for a centralized where like Bing [TS]

00:24:15   but it proves that if you have a big tractor you can make the craziest weirdest most unfriendly protocols [TS]

00:24:21   and stop spread everywhere I mean you're making good hardware fervor bit going to right now [TS]

00:24:25   and you just need a tractor that is not like Twitter [TS]

00:24:27   and then you need that to be successful long enough for someone to say hey we can put messages infrastructure [TS]

00:24:31   and then you're off to the races because someone else has done the hard work for you. [TS]

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00:27:42   Once again square space a better web starts with your website. I'm reading the sponsor read tonight on parchment paper. [TS]

00:27:50   Our printer ran out of regular paper earlier this afternoon was that after ran out of paper when I was there. [TS]

00:27:56   Yeah when you were here I put in at the last like clump of. Regular paper I could find. Now that's gone too. [TS]

00:28:02   As a legal paper comes in clumps my wife and I came to realize that this evening [TS]

00:28:08   when I was discussing our lack of paper that we've been saving all this we have like resume paper [TS]

00:28:14   and parchment paper from from back when these things mattered. [TS]

00:28:17   And it's the cheesy stuff it's like imagine if you had a resume if you have a resume paper. [TS]

00:28:23   First of all can you imagine [TS]

00:28:25   when in the rest of your life you will ever be applying for a job where a paper resume would even be accepted. [TS]

00:28:32   Secondly if you actually found one [TS]

00:28:35   and applied for it with a paper resume imagine how it would look if you say if you gave this like this blue paper [TS]

00:28:41   that's all this blue parchment paper that has a big Southworth watermark across the middle of it is crap possible. [TS]

00:28:49   That would be a big upgrade from what actually happens which I have experience is what actually happens in the modern [TS]

00:28:55   job. [TS]

00:28:56   If you're lucky you applied to a job directly through some crazy web site if you're unlucky you end up going to [TS]

00:29:01   recruiter Either way no matter how you format your resume they will demand it be formatted in some other way couldn't [TS]

00:29:07   possibly pasting blocks of text into multiple text areas on a web page [TS]

00:29:11   and that will go through seven different systems so that by the time you said down in front of someone what they will [TS]

00:29:16   have done is printed from their web browser or whatever interface they see your resume [TS]

00:29:21   and it would've come out as an unholy mess badly wrapped overly formatted like it would just it wouldn't look like your [TS]

00:29:29   resume had been put through a blender and that is what they have in their hand in front of them [TS]

00:29:32   when they're looking over quote unquote your resume bears no resemblance whatsoever to whatever your resume began so [TS]

00:29:38   actually it would be a huge upgrade for them to have a piece of paper in their hand that I printed with my resume from [TS]

00:29:45   the way I like it but that's not the way it happens. [TS]

00:29:47   Yeah exactly when I was left applying for a job that had already started [TS]

00:29:51   and it was like I made this awesomely formatted you know P.D.F. [TS]

00:29:54   Resume and everybody wanted either word or like a plain text paste out of all the key words. [TS]

00:30:00   Word is an improvement [TS]

00:30:01   but at least they can print the word document the worse is going to go through like a recorder system an H.R. [TS]

00:30:05   System then comes back out of the printer whether you can tell that the whole used to be worse [TS]

00:30:09   or like the web browser put these insane footers in headers and then are they still do release these tiny text now [TS]

00:30:14   but just yeah it's terrible I guess that maybe we're just on our way passing through [TS]

00:30:17   and eventually I'll just be like my resume is on the Web put up on your i Pad while you want do some follow up. [TS]

00:30:24   Let's do it. So we had some very interesting emails from Hendrick who is part of pixels on Twitter. [TS]

00:30:34   I don't think I'm the most qualified of the three of us to talk about this [TS]

00:30:37   but John I think you were lamenting at the most would you like to cover this particular piece of follow up. [TS]

00:30:43   So last week we were discussing a piece of information posted to Twitter as an image of text with no problems that I [TS]

00:30:51   could determine and and it was discussed in as a hypothetical if this is true it would be gross. [TS]

00:31:00   It turns out that is not true what we were talking about was [TS]

00:31:03   when viewing ten video on an i Phone six plus six plus that actually has a precisely ten A.T.P. [TS]

00:31:12   Pixel screen one hundred twenty by ten eighty does it does the i Phone six Plus blows the movie up to the off screen [TS]

00:31:21   three X. Size and then shrink it back down to ten a year does it just show it directly at native Tenney. [TS]

00:31:27   And that's what the image of tech said that it does that scaling [TS]

00:31:31   and I was crazy because it's like you've got the you've got the contents you've got the screen there are actually pixel [TS]

00:31:36   per pixel perfect map for each other why would you ever pass through any scaling [TS]

00:31:40   and shrinking process all you're doing is destroying information and we went back [TS]

00:31:43   and forth a discussing that none of us know what actually went on [TS]

00:31:47   and what turns out is that they do do the crazy hard thing which you're discussing about changing resolutions [TS]

00:31:54   or changing the native output or I don't know what that's how you want to describe it [TS]

00:31:58   but the bottom line is that if you show. Ten N.E.P. [TS]

00:32:00   Content [TS]

00:32:01   or if you just make a view of any kind you have the power as a developer on an i Phone six plus to get exactly one to [TS]

00:32:07   one pixel accurate rendering of whatever it is you want whether it's an open G.L. [TS]

00:32:10   View or a video thing or even even Actually I think you can do just that YOU I COULD BE YOU. [TS]

00:32:15   I think it has to be open I think and I don't look at the if it was that native scale thing was that only in G.L.K. [TS]

00:32:21   View and I don't have to look at that. [TS]

00:32:23   But anyway this will provide a link for this in the show not [TS]

00:32:26   but it is an apple dev form see only be able to follow the link if you have a developer account [TS]

00:32:31   but if someone asking some a question like have got some content it's perfect for ten eighty I want to get it to be [TS]

00:32:37   rendered exactly can I do that and I went back and brought the answer as you can [TS]

00:32:40   and so Hendrik did a bunch of experiments to see before finding these guys are going to show this [TS]

00:32:48   and what he did was he played tended to be content [TS]

00:32:52   and it's very difficult to tell by looking at like we said it was going to tell the naked eye whether it's scaling it [TS]

00:32:56   or not [TS]

00:32:57   but he played like one of those test pattern images with very fine lines they have one pixel lines which is why it [TS]

00:33:02   works as he can say is this how it's supposed to look is that an MPEG artifact or whatever [TS]

00:33:07   but the easy way you can tell is he would have to show the player controls which are like you know you I get views [TS]

00:33:12   and when the U.I. Can views come on top of the image parts that are not covered by the by the U.I. [TS]

00:33:18   Could views change appearance so they get blurrier or you know that they look different and [TS]

00:33:23   when those things go away then it goes back to what we assume is native one to one most of the posted a video of this. [TS]

00:33:28   You could try yourself within the video which is a ten P. [TS]

00:33:31   Test image or whatever but I mean that was like the hype of the usual practical proof [TS]

00:33:37   and then the more technical proof is in the forums thread where you can see people from Apple saying yes if you want to [TS]

00:33:44   view that one to one pixel you can get it here is how you get it use the A.P.I. [TS]

00:33:47   As you can use so I would assume that in all cases where Apple can get that one to one like for example playing video [TS]

00:33:55   without any controls over they do but it's interesting that they're able to not only switch but. [TS]

00:34:00   Sort of seamlessly when the U.I. [TS]

00:34:01   Appears [TS]

00:34:01   and disappears like Apparently this watching all the time not just from apt to happen within a single happen [TS]

00:34:06   when elements of here so it seems like Apple has the various different scaling modes for different views [TS]

00:34:14   and alignment with the hardware down down to a science here where there they're able to switch at every opportunity to [TS]

00:34:22   do whatever is the most efficient and whatever is the best possible choice for the screen. [TS]

00:34:28   Yet hang out before there's actually cricket in my office I think that's because you can hear it as hops [TS]

00:34:35   when you need him come riding on the rug sleeve you totally ignoring this [TS]

00:34:40   and it for what it's worth I did find the article that the block O. Text came from. [TS]

00:34:45   Actually I think somebody linked it to me and I think I found it but anyways it's the Register dot co dot uk. [TS]

00:34:50   Actually I'll just put it in the chat room it was in the show notes for last episode if I had known that origin is not [TS]

00:34:56   reassuring. [TS]

00:34:57   All right well in the best part is the title of this article on The Register dot co dot uk is Apple i Phone six Plus [TS]

00:35:04   gorgeous that's pixel destiny death density Excuse me but it's wasted. [TS]

00:35:10   Yeah so that whoever posted that are the register people were confused by the fact that it doesn't matter screenshots [TS]

00:35:16   always are taken in the high resolution even when you're you know you can prove to yourself either with your own code [TS]

00:35:21   or with your own sample video that it really is showing a native one to one ten eighty without any scaling up [TS]

00:35:27   or down if you take a screenshot of that it still ends up larger like a screen shot a mechanism blows it up. [TS]

00:35:32   I can't find it nice so the night of the video can give give me clean at a point here the same thing that we need to [TS]

00:35:40   keep. [TS]

00:35:40   We found cases someone sent Casey a link to the video that that screen there in the text was so hard for a green arrow [TS]

00:35:50   for him. Dog This was the crickets. OK The problem is a no longer existing murderer. [TS]

00:36:00   Why do you know what I meant it the same thing if they take in the native resolution [TS]

00:36:03   but say the higher the point is the file on disk is ends up higher as you want to go into arguments about what stages [TS]

00:36:10   of the gunfire is is it or is it not a living soul. When is it when is it a life. [TS]

00:36:17   I mean understand as thinking you'd be drawing where I think they're taking a native resident say what at one point to [TS]

00:36:24   take in [TS]

00:36:24   but not say that we're discussing the memory buffers now now we have them argue about whether that well technically [TS]

00:36:30   it's not really as they like to see it if people ever wonder why we sometimes believe like these somewhat flippant [TS]

00:36:40   responses to pedantic points [TS]

00:36:42   and questions this is why because all we do is get people being completely pedantic while I said he was trolling me so [TS]

00:36:49   congratulations Slater old man this show such a trainwreck I love it is your cricket your cricket then now I don't want [TS]

00:36:59   to talk about the cricket. So we're going to go badly. Mistakes were made. [TS]

00:37:05   Well I I did my usual move of just dropping something heavy on it just leaving it there and I'll deal with it later. [TS]

00:37:15   That is truly a new level of procrastination. [TS]

00:37:19   What's even worse is that I what I dropped on it was a i Pad two in a one of those like bookcases that was like the [TS]

00:37:27   nearest thing that was big enough and flat enough to do what I wanted to do. [TS]

00:37:31   And gosh darn it people like me it's a tiff I hope you didn't if you're listening [TS]

00:37:36   and hope you didn't need your old i Pad two case anymore because it's going to be sacrificed for another. [TS]

00:37:43   It should be clean of all easily. [TS]

00:37:46   Yeah I hope she makes you clean the guts off of it and I have found a use for an i Pad two. [TS]

00:37:54   I'm not even drinking and this is the best man to do we want to actually try to come back to this if you will. [TS]

00:38:00   Just don't give up on this one. [TS]

00:38:02   No it's so I actually I actually put the test video on my six plus to see how you know how noticeable is this you know [TS]

00:38:09   in the in the last episode. Almost everything I said was wrong I was. I had said both. [TS]

00:38:16   You won't notice the quality difference [TS]

00:38:18   and there's no way Apple went to the trouble of making this work because who cares it doesn't matter. [TS]

00:38:23   They probably just double scale it and so it turns out they didn't go to the trouble makers where they did care [TS]

00:38:30   and on the test video showing a test pattern the quality difference is noticeable [TS]

00:38:36   and not you know I don't think it would be noticeable in regular video watching. [TS]

00:38:41   I don't think anybody would ever notice. [TS]

00:38:43   But if you want to test video you know when it when it's full screen you see it. [TS]

00:38:48   Unskilled and if you tap the screen to show the bars you see it get scale [TS]

00:38:52   and everything kind of will the the lines the way it like alternates one pixel black one pixel white in these in these [TS]

00:39:00   lines. That way you can see if it gets blurred a lot it just turns gray. It's very clear like this which is obvious. [TS]

00:39:08   So it's interesting [TS]

00:39:09   but I guess I still don't think it's worth the effort to just do it for this I think the way they did it was clearly [TS]

00:39:17   for Open G.L. That makes more sense like they can bypass a scale or for Open G.L. [TS]

00:39:22   To have direct access to the pixels that makes a lot of sense I totally understand why that is there [TS]

00:39:27   and I guess I didn't think of that as as a potential reason why else this would have to exist [TS]

00:39:32   when I was saying this would be where the good I still maintain that while you can see the difference in the test video [TS]

00:39:36   I don't think it matters for video playback [TS]

00:39:39   and the interesting thing is as pointed out by Hendrik as I seem to confirm with experimentation if you put an opaque [TS]

00:39:44   U.I. Could view on top it does not scale. [TS]

00:39:47   I don't know they don't need to do it ever need to composite it so that like I said they're taking every opportunity to [TS]

00:39:52   say do we really have to go up and then down again. [TS]

00:39:55   And if every single view on top of your open jail view is opaque The answer is. [TS]

00:40:00   No you don't I can still go direct to screen so I was going to write to screen with the U.I. [TS]

00:40:04   I mean I suppose I would want to I guess even if you had like a three X. Image either as part of your U.I. [TS]

00:40:10   Right you would scale that image and you know in the off screen [TS]

00:40:13   and then put that in composite together you are not composite of the other just blended together because it's [TS]

00:40:18   completely opaque. So even though you had a three X. [TS]

00:40:20   Three source it would be displayed native you know a scaled native down version of itself. [TS]

00:40:26   So I think they did the best you could expect with the hardware that they had on hand [TS]

00:40:33   and there was another little piece of information at about this I forget if it was the same person was Hendrik [TS]

00:40:39   or somebody else but they're talking about. [TS]

00:40:42   Why would you ever you know why do you want to take video and then there was a perfectly native fit for the screen [TS]

00:40:47   and scale it up and scale it back down that it's crazy [TS]

00:40:49   and this bit of a rave is offered for a somewhat related scenario we're not quite in there in the realm of digital [TS]

00:40:56   video where if you shoot video in a certain resolution [TS]

00:41:02   and then the question is why would you ever scale that video up to be a much higher resolution for editing purposes [TS]

00:41:10   only to scale it back down later for the final product [TS]

00:41:13   or not scale back down like why would you ever wonder that what you know or scale back down not [TS]

00:41:17   or it to the original size is like smaller size the answer was that in this forum both open the shots [TS]

00:41:23   and it was that when you scale something up you're making it like blurrier and you're stretching it out [TS]

00:41:28   and doing all this stuff [TS]

00:41:29   but you're essentially adding information now it's interpreted information based on the information that was there your [TS]

00:41:35   synthesizing information you know that's how the scaling works [TS]

00:41:38   but by synthesizing that additional information it does actually add information to the image. [TS]

00:41:42   Fake information made up information guesses but that information is added so [TS]

00:41:46   when you scale it back down if you don't go all the way back down what you get in the end is an image with more visible [TS]

00:41:52   detail than the one you started with because it made up the details that made up is [TS]

00:41:55   when interplay them so if you take it to Cambridge scallop for Canaan. Well that's. [TS]

00:42:00   Now take it to camera scale to eight K. and Then back down to four K. [TS]

00:42:03   Will look better than if you just took the two Gammage and scale it up to four K. [TS]

00:42:06   Because you added all that information and then you shoved the new you made it you know you chunk it back down [TS]

00:42:12   and that was the argument anyway I don't want to be my film adding that the argument in this in this film editing form [TS]

00:42:16   and you can read about it [TS]

00:42:18   but that's that's an interesting point I don't think it applies to you eyes which are not photographic images [TS]

00:42:22   but for video. [TS]

00:42:23   I can understand how you might say well fake information made up by you know by Kubrick interpellation is better than [TS]

00:42:31   not have any information at all because it will leave you with a more detailed image. [TS]

00:42:35   Our second sponsor this week is I think they're new to our show. But anyway there are new to us. [TS]

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00:42:47   They've made a couple of things that I really enjoyed So they started out with the glyph. G L I F. [TS]

00:42:53   They started out as a Kickstarter project I believe that was Kickstarter first I believe that's right. [TS]

00:42:58   Yeah I think most of us [TS]

00:43:00   and because sort of first anyway started I started out with the glyph which is a tripod mount [TS]

00:43:05   and a stand for i Phones And what's interesting too is that they made this adjustable at this at the outset [TS]

00:43:12   and so because adjustable it already works with the new i Phones including the six plus with [TS]

00:43:17   or without cases which is pretty awesome. [TS]

00:43:20   You know there's a lot of i Phone accessories out there that many of which become effectively worthless [TS]

00:43:26   and unusable once the size of the i Phone changes and they've they've by by foresight [TS]

00:43:34   and probably some luck been able to buck that trend and their stuff [TS]

00:43:37   and stay useful so you know good on them for that anyway. [TS]

00:43:41   So that's the glyph studio needs tripod mount and stand for i Phones [TS]

00:43:46   but we're actually talking about today is that they've moved onto cocktails [TS]

00:43:50   and cocktail related products so this is Katie's wheel house here not the parking lot right you drink in the parking [TS]

00:43:56   lot. It does happen before a football game but you would. No about that either. I'm from Ohio I know about that. [TS]

00:44:02   So anyway they need a studio he has moved onto cocktails with the neat ice kit and Katie both you [TS]

00:44:09   and I have neat ice kits so Tom and then the guys a studio there on a mission to convince you that making art [TS]

00:44:16   and cocktails at home is not that hard. [TS]

00:44:19   Cocktails are simple you get a few readily available ingredients [TS]

00:44:23   and you already have access to everything a fancy cocktail bar does except for clear and correctly sized ice. [TS]

00:44:31   So to fix this Tom [TS]

00:44:32   and then made the neat ice kit the need I think it is a set of tools for creating the right eyes for your at home [TS]

00:44:38   cocktails. So Casey can you describe how this works. [TS]

00:44:43   Sure so the way this works is you order a kit and it has some foam insulation [TS]

00:44:48   and within that you place this she was that silicone mold and you fill the small with just tap water [TS]

00:44:56   or maybe if you really fancy like stuff out of a pure water filter [TS]

00:45:00   and you put that sort on mold in the foam insulation you put all of it into the freezer [TS]

00:45:07   and you let it sit for around a day [TS]

00:45:09   and then a day later what happens is you have this I think it's about two inches wide by two inches long by four inches [TS]

00:45:16   deep rectangle not a cube were meant for they were tender their solid you know that. Thank you. [TS]

00:45:23   So anyway so you have this basically treaty rectangle and you half of it is really cloudy [TS]

00:45:28   and the top half of it is perfectly perfectly clear [TS]

00:45:32   and the reason that happens from what I understand is as the foam insulation keeps the bottom [TS]

00:45:38   and sides insulated the top is exposed to the freezer air in so it freezes from top down and so all the impurities [TS]

00:45:45   and up at the bottom. [TS]

00:45:47   Well then they give you a mallet and a chisel [TS]

00:45:49   and you can break this rectangular prism whatever Marco just called it in half of it. [TS]

00:45:54   Thank you solid and and then you have now a two by two by two perfectly. A clear block of ice. [TS]

00:46:02   It is extremely fussy extremely silly. [TS]

00:46:06   It is by most arguments a complete waste of time and every time I have a drink This is exactly what I do [TS]

00:46:13   and I love it and I but I am so I would I mean we are kind of paid to say this [TS]

00:46:17   but Hand on heart this is absolutely true. [TS]

00:46:20   I love my need I skate I love it so much that I actually stockpile uncut bricks. [TS]

00:46:27   So if for some reason someone comes over unexpectedly or maybe I've just had a very bad day [TS]

00:46:32   and I have plenty of crystal clear big ass ice cubes as they call them in order to put my vodka on top of [TS]

00:46:40   and I cannot recommend it if it really is fantastic I did a review of it on my website which we may [TS]

00:46:47   or may not remember to put in the show notes but by ten of them because they're awesome. [TS]

00:46:52   I actually ordered one for myself before they sponsored the show just as I thought was interesting and I've. [TS]

00:46:58   They didn't say this but I try to few of the other solutions out there to try to make like fancy I said home [TS]

00:47:05   and none of the other ones were as easy to use as this one. [TS]

00:47:10   So anyway each need I scan includes the mold the chisel which is also into the bottle opener right [TS]

00:47:16   and so it's pretty cool. [TS]

00:47:18   A club that doubles as a muddler and a Louis bag and I didn't know this [TS]

00:47:22   but apparently Louis bag is a bag you crushed ice it like you put the ice in the bag you hit the bag with your club [TS]

00:47:28   and then out comes crushed ice is that roughly correct. [TS]

00:47:30   Yeah that's the idea so if you had a situation where you have a cocktail that requires a thin but tall glass [TS]

00:47:37   and I forget which ones they are off on my head but you could take your big ass crystal clear ice cube [TS]

00:47:42   and then chop it up a couple more times. [TS]

00:47:45   Throw that ice into the Lewis bag use that model or like Marco was talking about bang bang bang [TS]

00:47:49   and crush all that ice and Louis bag and now you've got crystal clear crushed ice instead of a cube right. [TS]

00:47:55   Or you can even you can you can crush up the cloudy half of the cube that you have out there. [TS]

00:48:00   As putting your dog bowl like I did but because hops with the dark hair [TS]

00:48:04   but the cloudiness he was happy to have ice in his bold regardless of whether it was clear or not [TS]

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00:48:44   I could go on forever about stealing and are such nice guys. [TS]

00:48:48   They're awesome like it did even better that they're such nice guys. Well yeah I would still go on and on. [TS]

00:48:53   I've met them and they're fantastic they're there that night in person as well. [TS]

00:48:56   Yeah I would go on and on about the need I could even if they were jerks because it's that wonderful [TS]

00:49:00   but they are also that want to perform. [TS]

00:49:02   Yeah I'm a big fan of their cars or not it's a stylus for i Pads I've got that one. [TS]

00:49:08   Yeah it's like I try to have tried a lot of styli for a touch devices [TS]

00:49:13   and none of them really work for me as well as the cars are not that I even have the fancy one from paper pencil [TS]

00:49:21   and I'm not an artist at all and so it doesn't really work for me [TS]

00:49:26   but the cars are not it is awesome that it's like it's like a dry erase marker basically. [TS]

00:49:31   Like that's it that's the feel has which was the reason they made it so big [TS]

00:49:35   and chunky like that is because that's roughly the precision you have with any of these things [TS]

00:49:40   and so they made it kind of fit that it made the form of it fit the perception that you actually get [TS]

00:49:46   and so it just makes it feel like more right you know I hear you anyway. [TS]

00:49:52   Attempting to make it through the steps and get to a topic [TS]

00:49:54   but it's not looking good so far I don't have a now so let's talk about bent. [TS]

00:50:00   On tests because we haven't done that enough. [TS]

00:50:01   And it really started with a topic stream that the mark of the movies he derails the to be forgotten [TS]

00:50:08   and whatever he was talk about to make sure we get to it even though thoughtful. [TS]

00:50:13   Exactly and then to the bingo bore people. It works otherwise we all follow it every week. Nobody wants that. [TS]

00:50:19   No we would get to be the same total amount of time with that part of the beginning [TS]

00:50:23   or the end they would just keep going. [TS]

00:50:25   Anyway last night talked about the Consumer Reports test and and I mentioned bunch of stuff that I didn't see [TS]

00:50:32   and their report apparently was there and either I missed it [TS]

00:50:34   or I sort of early version of the report it may be a real blog of the report that didn't quite correctly copy [TS]

00:50:38   and paste the content part of your findings from Twitter on your i was device doesn't show the full euro anyway [TS]

00:50:45   but a way because the reports did test not just how much force does it take to break these things [TS]

00:50:50   but also how much force can be applied before what they call defamation which is what I was saying [TS]

00:50:54   and how much more can you apply before it doesn't spring back. [TS]

00:50:59   And so you can see we'll put the link in the show it's again those concerned words as you can see they they just of [TS]

00:51:04   that for the i Phone six and six plus as well so. [TS]

00:51:08   And speaking of bending i Phone six and six plus and warranty repairs. [TS]

00:51:14   We got some interesting feedback from listener Jared [TS]

00:51:17   and he says I made the mistake of looking at my i Phone six from the side bending from carrying it in my not at all [TS]

00:51:24   skinny jeans I was his emphasis. I'm sorry skinny jeans and soo pants bent. [TS]

00:51:30   Point is right at the bottom of the lower volume button went to the Apple store yesterday Chicago's Lincoln Lincoln [TS]

00:51:35   Park which is usually super awesome in accommodating and here's where it's interesting. [TS]

00:51:39   The genius proceeded to tell me that based on an article in scare quotes they had received as of October third that the [TS]

00:51:47   bending of the phone only occurs because a lot of pressure [TS]

00:51:51   or blunt force in the scratches on my case which were because of keys in my pocket by accident [TS]

00:51:57   and was an indication that my phone had been mistreated. And they wouldn't cover the bend and warranty. [TS]

00:52:02   Thus I would have to pay them three hundred dollars on top of the nine hundred dollars that he already shelled out [TS]

00:52:07   because he says he bought a T. Mobile hundred twenty eight gig non-contract phone so that's a change. [TS]

00:52:15   And it seemed at first that Apple was pretty happy to do a warranty return or exchange on these [TS]

00:52:20   and now apparently not so much. [TS]

00:52:23   I didn't see him though as a Marco said he thought that he thought that if you brought it to an Apple store [TS]

00:52:27   and had a band and it was still under warranty maybe Apple will be nice [TS]

00:52:31   or playful because because we had heard reports from people who did that yeah they will get one from someone who said I [TS]

00:52:36   don't know what it was Twitter feed back but I did read reports like the second [TS]

00:52:41   or third day after this story come out this might happen. [TS]

00:52:44   They were saying people people who ride the Genius Bar and they're like oh yeah you know that shouldn't happen. [TS]

00:52:49   Here's a new one. And now we've heard not just from Jared But we've heard from a number of people I've seen. [TS]

00:52:56   We have at least two feedback emails here [TS]

00:52:58   and I got a couple of tweets to this point as well that it sounds like in the last few days Apple has changed their [TS]

00:53:05   policy [TS]

00:53:06   and has issued some kind of directive from above saying they're no longer going to replace phones are being bent. [TS]

00:53:12   And [TS]

00:53:13   and I don't know I mean I think we don't know enough about this problem yet to know whether it's actually a real problem [TS]

00:53:19   or not. [TS]

00:53:19   It was sounding at first like it was going to be a big problem and then the Consumer Reports thank you [TS]

00:53:24   and then it's like oh well it's not really a problem as much maybe probably not [TS]

00:53:28   but you know we're not going to know for like six months like in six months if half of it half the people you know who [TS]

00:53:34   have i Phones XS their bent [TS]

00:53:36   and these people aren't like totally abusive then I think one of the others actually was a bit of a problem. [TS]

00:53:42   Well the third course doesn't give us the information because they test they show a range [TS]

00:53:48   and let me look to they do the five S. [TS]

00:53:50   and I test as well because we can compare it to is the most recent Apple phone that we may be familiar with the i Phone [TS]

00:53:58   six was not super weak like the second. Plus we're not the bottom of the barrel. [TS]

00:54:02   They were more towards the middle middle low end [TS]

00:54:04   but it wasn't yet so there was same as if you see one you haven't heard lots of stories about they want to make getting [TS]

00:54:11   better but it's basically one of the weakest is no one's buying it yet. [TS]

00:54:15   Well if you see one with a we can attest the six was the second we has the six plus was the third weakest [TS]

00:54:22   and the range is not astronomically hazily I well I was was the i Phone five was considerably stronger. [TS]

00:54:30   It didn't get to form until hundred thirty pounds of pressure versus the six which performs at seventy [TS]

00:54:35   and six plus which to forms ninety so this is a range from seventy two hundred fifty pounds of pressure for the [TS]

00:54:41   defamation from best to worst right and to the i Phone six plus is just shy of the middle it's on the low end [TS]

00:54:47   and you know so. But like the scene like ballpark and like is it is a difference. [TS]

00:54:52   That's why I got into I thought about last show which is all right so this these test tells whether to format [TS]

00:54:57   but we don't know what the expected range of pressures that a phone in your pocket get subjected to are both based on [TS]

00:55:04   the length of the song which is what I was talking about last week [TS]

00:55:06   but also just forget the length of the phone to say uniform form length. [TS]

00:55:10   If it turns out that the pressures in a person's pocket generally peak around one hundred pounds of pressure that means [TS]

00:55:18   that Apple's i Phone five was comfortably above that range [TS]

00:55:21   and now the line of phones they've released is below that range. [TS]

00:55:24   Right [TS]

00:55:24   and so it could just be this is a threshold like in general you know the worst you're going to feel in a pocket is a [TS]

00:55:30   hundred pounds of pressures as long as your phone clears a hundred pounds you're finally we don't know where that [TS]

00:55:33   dividing line is what is the expectation of pressure and so the second email from Chris M. [TS]

00:55:39   Is sort of a contrast to the previous one. [TS]

00:55:42   It says he had a phone that was kept in his left pocket played a podcast [TS]

00:55:47   or a flight so there was no tightness in my pocket nor was it pressing against anything [TS]

00:55:52   and cetera not a mark on it took it to the Genius Bar the genius person agreed that it had not been mistreated to look [TS]

00:55:58   perfect but. [TS]

00:56:00   I couldn't replace it under warranty because of the aforementioned order from above that they're not doing that anymore. [TS]

00:56:05   Right now we see the numbers of the pressure [TS]

00:56:08   and never felt any tightness like you think I'm bending themselves not your regular bending your phone like they're [TS]

00:56:13   bending because pressure is being applied to them it could be that the pressure is applied in such a way that is [TS]

00:56:18   distributed across your legs so you don't feel it [TS]

00:56:20   but somewhere somehow there's only seventy pounds of pressure being applied to the center of that. [TS]

00:56:25   That's like best case to do be harder to bend it if you play it's only pounds of pressure to someplace other than [TS]

00:56:29   directly in the middle using the edges of the falcon like using a three point press holding the very edges putting the [TS]

00:56:33   pressure at that the worst case scenario right. You had to apply more pressure if you were playing it. [TS]

00:56:39   If the distance from the folk rim [TS]

00:56:42   and the edge of the thing was shorter so somehow pressure is being applied to these phones the thing we're missing now [TS]

00:56:49   is the expected what is the environment of the pocket like in terms of pressures [TS]

00:56:53   and if you if you're going to build something to stand those pressures is is this bone just under warranty [TS]

00:57:00   and that I guess we'll find out like Margo said Experimentally I just like all your friends to be different their [TS]

00:57:05   pockets are all them slightly bent in you know a couple months right. [TS]

00:57:08   And you know when a new i Phone comes out when has any kind of like potential physical [TS]

00:57:13   or design flaw you don't really know until a few months in like how bad is it like the i Phone five came out [TS]

00:57:19   and the edges scuffed up pretty easily and should [TS]

00:57:21   and should lighter color metal underneath you know that it took a lot of figure out that was going to be a thing right. [TS]

00:57:26   The i Phone four came out everyone thought interrogate was the big problem [TS]

00:57:29   when really the big problem for the proximity sensor in the home until now [TS]

00:57:33   and yet that wasn't the one with a home button always died [TS]

00:57:36   and you know you don't really know if not every i Phone is perfect some a better than others I think with this one I [TS]

00:57:43   see I'm actually seeing this table in Consumer Reports. [TS]

00:57:46   Key separation I don't really care about because I don't think like I think the defamation is is the more important [TS]

00:57:52   column the one that people actually more likely to hit and get upset by regular use. [TS]

00:57:58   What's interesting two things first of all. All that by the by their measurements. [TS]

00:58:02   The six plus is actually stronger than the six which I think is the opposite of what you probably expect. [TS]

00:58:07   Secondly the the six withstood only almost. [TS]

00:58:13   Only slightly more than half as much force as the i Phone five [TS]

00:58:18   and so that's a pretty big difference to to only be able to withstand roughly half the force that's that's [TS]

00:58:24   substantially weaker and again because this test is synthetic [TS]

00:58:28   and you're right it doesn't you know we don't know how this will hold up in practice but that does look like a problem. [TS]

00:58:36   The round numbers make me worry about it a little bit too. [TS]

00:58:39   Why is it seven hundred ninety one hundred thirty like is there I don't know if they're just kind of saying this [TS]

00:58:45   reflects the imprecision in our experiment [TS]

00:58:47   and we do my show the exact numbers because that would that would that would show a degree of certainty that doesn't [TS]

00:58:52   actually exist in the experiment. I mean there are a lot of variables here. [TS]

00:58:57   These devices are not uniform solids like they vary on the inside they have different materials at different points [TS]

00:59:03   and there's the weak points of the volume buttons below strengthening strips in the printed circuit board on one side [TS]

00:59:08   and a battery on the other so there's all sorts of variables going on here so it's not a straight forward test. [TS]

00:59:13   So that's what really matters is the the environment you know the environment these phones are subjected to. [TS]

00:59:20   But like the A.T.C. [TS]

00:59:21   One up there showing similar you know being the weakest in the test and being a phone has been out for a while [TS]

00:59:26   and then we've heard nothing about bending. [TS]

00:59:29   Makes you think it can't be that terrible because it is going to give people who are going to baby their phones it's [TS]

00:59:35   not going to be a she see one owners you know like the Apple ones of the people are going to care about the little [TS]

00:59:39   device and getting scratched out as of like that. [TS]

00:59:42   I know the device is a really nice an appeal to people who like nice things I think the agency makes really good [TS]

00:59:46   looking phones but if I had to take entire groups i Phone owners versus eighty one hours [TS]

00:59:53   and say of these groups which one will treat their phone face [TS]

00:59:56   or I'm going to pick the I thought I think it attracts a certain kind of. [TS]

01:00:00   Hardware nerd [TS]

01:00:01   and so if we haven't heard any major easy ones then yes is it because they haven't sold any of them it's because you [TS]

01:00:06   don't get any excitement from telling people they see want to spend I think literacy in a story anyway. [TS]

01:00:11   If it was it was a big deal this is a bit like oh wait you see they can't catch a break to make these great phones are [TS]

01:00:15   known themes to buy and now they may want to bend. [TS]

01:00:18   Honestly I don't think that's I think the the things that you just kind of disregarded are pretty big things like yeah [TS]

01:00:27   no one's buying each to see phones in general which is part of the problem ecstasy is having with their business [TS]

01:00:31   and you never hear about like minor physical flaws are minor design flaws of Android phones. [TS]

01:00:39   It doesn't happen they're not nearly as high profile there is not nearly as much money [TS]

01:00:43   and attention to be had by pointing out flaws in them. It just doesn't happen like that is not a fair comparison. [TS]

01:00:49   I still think I still think it will get reported though I mean the agency one got reviewed everywhere I've seen them in [TS]

01:00:54   practice same people have them like it's not there they're not so rare that you're like I've still never seen anyone [TS]

01:00:59   using a surface in real life but I've seen plenty of agency ones [TS]

01:01:02   and they got reviewed all the main reasons why were they reviewed if no one buys agency. [TS]

01:01:07   It's now wouldn't be a big story wouldn't be in the Wall Street Journal ripened on the sites that we travel [TS]

01:01:11   and I think we would have seen it by now if it was a problem [TS]

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01:05:26   Oh I thought you wanted to defend your i Phone grip which is wrong. [TS]

01:05:29   Now some of the it was that last weekend when you never go to the sale [TS]

01:05:33   or I know I do I do want to mention one more thing about the i Phone six physical design and grip. [TS]

01:05:38   So first of all I use my five S. Briefly today to set up a live stream or and yet if I like first of the five S. [TS]

01:05:44   A such a better looking phone like I look at the back a look at the back of the menace think this like the five S. [TS]

01:05:50   Looks downright sexy on the back and the six and six Plus look stupid on the back [TS]

01:05:54   but I don't like how the looks on the back. I can I can see they are going for the six looking worse on the back. [TS]

01:06:00   But I just do not like the bag-O. Does look so boring to me. The five I'll give you the five S. [TS]

01:06:04   I disagree with that because the five is the way they changed they changed the tone of the of the dark color. [TS]

01:06:08   I know [TS]

01:06:09   but I like it like all the things that look good about the five in five us back look good in Apple's close up shots [TS]

01:06:14   from a human distance not [TS]

01:06:16   and met with macro photography it's just a mad metal bath tub with you know chamfered edges that are probably nicked. [TS]

01:06:26   No what I did with it the two tone back with it the glass with an arrow and the edges I think it looks so much better. [TS]

01:06:31   Anyway so first of all yes impression about who it is. Oh my God this thing is tiny. [TS]

01:06:37   Secondly Oh my God I can reach everything this is glorious because still it's still having trouble reaching everything [TS]

01:06:44   and I've definitely I've decided this week to give in and got a case for hers [TS]

01:06:50   and I've decided I'm going to get a case too [TS]

01:06:52   and I have never had a case on my phone before I carried phones I carried Palm Pilots. [TS]

01:06:58   I never had a case on those I have never had a case on any electronic device I've ever carried around as far as I can [TS]

01:07:03   remember me I might be wrong [TS]

01:07:04   but as far as I can remember of never have the clothes that came with this letter like a letter cling stick on thing on [TS]

01:07:12   the back glass panel of my foreign for us which is awesome and actually I ordered new ones to try on the big phone [TS]

01:07:18   or on the current phone just kill the cricket with a case [TS]

01:07:21   and that was to cite that she has use cases before although never on phones but I have I have never used one. [TS]

01:07:29   As far as I can remember so it's what did you get Case wise kids got the apple leather case. [TS]

01:07:34   I waited for my little thing to come in the mail to see if that will be enough [TS]

01:07:39   but you know it's like twenty bucks so it's great. [TS]

01:07:41   So why are you getting the case though why why have you decided this is the one you need a case or it's because [TS]

01:07:47   when I hold this phone in my hand it just feels slippery [TS]

01:07:51   and I know that was you know everyone says the new phones feel slippery when new phones come out. [TS]

01:07:57   This is always even when the foreign force you know at the glass back. [TS]

01:08:00   Which actually gets pretty well people said it felt so pretty because it did compared to the three G.S. [TS]

01:08:04   Like you know eight people who showed up at this time like I've now been using the phone for what two [TS]

01:08:08   and a half weeks over long it's been and it still feels very precarious I have almost dropped it many times [TS]

01:08:14   and I have never as far as I can remember I've never dropped and i Phone or any other trying to vice. [TS]

01:08:20   So you think of the rounded edges the thinness. [TS]

01:08:23   Now the material I think it's a combination of all I think it's a combination of the rounded edges the thinness [TS]

01:08:28   and the back. But you think you can do the top S. Right now do tell test with the five S. [TS]

01:08:34   and Six to see what I will do I have to tell my hand before I start sliding off because everyone I've known who has [TS]

01:08:39   done that test said the sex of either more grippy [TS]

01:08:42   or equally grubby with a five in terms of just you know friction with your skin [TS]

01:08:46   but the rounded edges in attendance do make it feel slippery like that you know like a like a little while you don't [TS]

01:08:51   have that the sharp edges that you feel like you're going to hold on to I guess try to do the tilt test [TS]

01:08:56   and I can't I can't I mean I'm not going to drop them [TS]

01:08:58   but I can get almost ninety degrees that's not really the most because my hands are slightly moist because I'm warm [TS]

01:09:03   but anyway just put a five and the six nights of each other in the same hand. [TS]

01:09:07   Anyway the point is I don't think the materials at fault [TS]

01:09:10   but the rounded edges nothing is nothing to make it feel like that maybe this one is getting finally has cross your [TS]

01:09:14   naked robotic [TS]

01:09:15   or threshold where you're like OK now this is this is clearly not the device this is clearly the thing the core of the [TS]

01:09:21   device that I will slot into something that I'm going to hold. Well it's a combination of factors. [TS]

01:09:26   To me the big things that make this phone feel more precarious [TS]

01:09:30   and possibly be more precarious to hold are the combination of the side design like the sides themselves don't dig into [TS]

01:09:39   your hands at all and they don't grip your hand like the side of the five with with the with the squared side [TS]

01:09:44   and like the sharp edges that does can nicely rip your hand. There's like a big service there for friction. [TS]

01:09:50   The stamp place so that's a big part of it. [TS]

01:09:53   Secondly I think the possibly bigger part besides not having grippy sides is. [TS]

01:10:00   That you have I have to so often change my grip on the phone in use to be able to reach something [TS]

01:10:07   and that that I think is by far the biggest risk for dropping it is like [TS]

01:10:13   when you're holding it one handed you're walking around you're holding and doing something [TS]

01:10:17   and you are you got to go hit a button in the upper corner that you can't reach [TS]

01:10:20   and so you've got to change your feel like choke up on it [TS]

01:10:23   and then it is much more precarious in your head at that point because you have lost your supporting supporting pinky [TS]

01:10:29   or bearing Pinky the bottom or you've just used the whole time which God knows how that works [TS]

01:10:33   and you know I happily reach up and and like you know you have a lot less support in that time [TS]

01:10:42   and you are literally excluding the phone down your hand so that you are intentionally loosening your grip on it to [TS]

01:10:50   change where you're holding it and so what I'm looking for and like I so I have I still have a case on my phone. [TS]

01:10:58   But I picked up tips a couple times in the last couple days to check something on it and it feels glorious. [TS]

01:11:04   I'm like oh my god I need this like it with the Apple leather case on it. [TS]

01:11:09   It is that is how I want this phone to feel it improves so many things [TS]

01:11:13   and it does make the edge swipe gestures a little slick slightly annoying to do because you feel like kind of the [TS]

01:11:20   education your finger you know. [TS]

01:11:21   However [TS]

01:11:23   when I'm not using the case on the phone on my phone there's a different problem which is that you have to like make [TS]

01:11:30   sure that you're that you're not actually touching the screen with any part of your grip because the screen is so close [TS]

01:11:36   to the edges [TS]

01:11:36   and they are so nicely rounded that it's very easy to accidentally touch the edge of the screen especially if you're [TS]

01:11:42   reaching across it. [TS]

01:11:44   If you're really reaching across with your thumb to one of the upper corners then like the pad of your handle your [TS]

01:11:49   thumb it's very easy to actually screen with that and so this there's all these all these problems like [TS]

01:11:54   and I thought the other day that the big advisor my phone was broken around the edges. [TS]

01:12:00   Because like all of my edge cats were not registering [TS]

01:12:02   and I I frequently have problems bring up the lock screen camera the which is an edge drag [TS]

01:12:08   and a bunch of people tweeted back basically saying they've had the same thing. [TS]

01:12:12   Even on their five Ss after I was eight so it appears to be a software bug of like the automatic finger rejection [TS]

01:12:18   that's always been more prevalent the i Pad client and i Phones now as well. [TS]

01:12:22   I don't know if they were if they always have but it's at least doing it and I was eight. [TS]

01:12:27   The new phones the screens are so close to the edge that they have to do that so [TS]

01:12:31   and it seems like it calibrates based on whenever you unlock the phone like if you if you lock it [TS]

01:12:35   and then unlock it it seems to recalibrate and [TS]

01:12:38   and so if you're if you get an edge had to ignore do that it's ten to fix it [TS]

01:12:42   but like if you have a case on it you are far less likely to actually be touching the edge so it will also improve the [TS]

01:12:49   reliability of edge touch gestures in normal use. [TS]

01:12:53   So there's I feel like this is the first phone where the the stock design of it is just not that compatible with me [TS]

01:13:04   like it's the first i Phone where I felt this way where I actually need a case [TS]

01:13:08   or something to to make this more more ergonomic and more usable to me [TS]

01:13:15   and I'm hearing I'm hearing very similar complaints from a lot of people. [TS]

01:13:21   I think we're going to look back on this design in the future once we have a different design [TS]

01:13:26   and once we've had you know the benefits of hindsight in time I think we're going to look back on this. [TS]

01:13:32   On the i Phone six design as a low point. [TS]

01:13:34   Not not not to say it's a failure [TS]

01:13:36   but that it's not up to up to the usual standards of what we've come to expect from my phone decides. [TS]

01:13:42   Do you think the curved glass the fact that these so I assume most of the case I didn't look closely at the one [TS]

01:13:48   when I was handling it but the glass there is part of the glass in the front of the i Phone six that is not the screen. [TS]

01:13:54   That's right because the curve part of the screen image is not displayed on the entire car parked at a certain point [TS]

01:13:58   the screen stops. The glass keeps going so it doesn't make it clear like to your finger or any part of you. [TS]

01:14:05   I'm touching glass now but is this part of the blasted untouched and part of the screen image [TS]

01:14:09   or part of the dies that attacks my touch [TS]

01:14:12   and that I think would could lead to some confusion both about Ed touch edged touches and touch rejection [TS]

01:14:19   and just like feeling in your hand what it is that you're doing whereas before I think I don't I don't have my i Pod [TS]

01:14:27   with me I think the screen image went up or something and you could feel it even when you have an eye with a vice [TS]

01:14:31   and you look at and tell me that's the case I have every ost of us so. [TS]

01:14:37   GRAEME INNES go to the edge of the CAN YOU FEEL where that lights stop or no no no and I cannot finance either. [TS]

01:14:44   All right well but on a five S. [TS]

01:14:46   Like on a fine that you never had any reason for any part of your finger hand to be resting on the front face of the [TS]

01:14:50   phone that was not going to the screen whereas because of the curved edge you're kind of always partially on it you can [TS]

01:14:56   feel the edge now that that would be your dividing point point for like feeling in your hand. [TS]

01:15:01   Am I touching the screen or not is that corner is there like well it's around the corner. [TS]

01:15:05   Even though it's not taken to a screen right there you keep your hands out for the curve can can sort of lead you into [TS]

01:15:09   touch it. [TS]

01:15:11   I've had cases on all my i Pod Touch as always I used to always use silicone cases because they were the most grippy [TS]

01:15:17   and that's what I wanted and that I eventually gave up and I couldn't find a good one for my current gen i Pod touch [TS]

01:15:23   and move to T P U which I like as well [TS]

01:15:25   and now Apple is making a silicone case where are they you know five years ago [TS]

01:15:28   but I'll probably going to try there's a local case of get one of these because I like it to be super grippy for all [TS]

01:15:34   the reasons that you said [TS]

01:15:34   but I've just always felt that way I've always felt that all the i Pod touch is very two things for me to use without a [TS]

01:15:39   case. So I'd like to go back a minute and explore what happened in your head when you picked up that five S. and I. [TS]

01:15:48   Aaron is still on the five S. [TS]

01:15:51   and By her own choice [TS]

01:15:52   and I use her phone probably once every day once every couple days because you know it's the nearest one you know I [TS]

01:15:59   need to look something up. [TS]

01:16:00   And every time I pick up parents phone the first thought I have which is what you said Marco is holy crap. [TS]

01:16:08   This feels so much better in my hand. [TS]

01:16:11   I think I actually prefer from in or from a feel point of view I prefer having the flat sides. [TS]

01:16:18   Certainly I can reach everything which is marvelous because I never realized how much I use my i Phone with only one [TS]

01:16:26   hand. [TS]

01:16:27   But the second thought I have is holy crap the screen is a post postage stamp and [TS]

01:16:34   when I was expecting what they came to there what came to be the six I don't think I really was yearning for more [TS]

01:16:42   screen real estate and now that I have it which is exactly what everyone said would happen. [TS]

01:16:46   I really don't like going back but the hardware's so much better [TS]

01:16:51   and so I was curious Marco Do you also get that feeling of oh my gosh this is so cramped when you're using the phone. [TS]

01:16:57   I I mean I haven't used it that much I just I picked it up and you know play with a few things for a minute here [TS]

01:17:03   and there but what I notice is that I think the screen is really tiny. [TS]

01:17:09   I think oh my god I can't I can never go back to this. [TS]

01:17:12   However then I notice not oh this is feel better not only can I reach everything [TS]

01:17:17   but because of those two factors I can actually use it much faster. Like whatever I'm trying to do on the five S. [TS]

01:17:23   I can do it faster than I can do it on the set and this is even after now being pretty used to the six [TS]

01:17:29   and I think that it's because I can reach everything so much faster [TS]

01:17:33   and I wanted more screens that I was I was on the side of people that said please give us bigger screens. [TS]

01:17:40   I think Louis Mansi he tweeted I think it was him he tweeted like I don't know a week ago something all along the lines [TS]

01:17:47   of they should have done two different sizes like like I think he said like four point five and five Point Oh [TS]

01:17:55   and I don't know what the big one you know people who have the big phone like it so maybe five point five. [TS]

01:18:00   There as I say the big one [TS]

01:18:00   but I think four point five rather than four point seven might have been the better size for the sex. [TS]

01:18:08   I think that would have made it you know a little closer to to the four inch thing that was so easy to feel [TS]

01:18:13   and reach everything for so many people you know obviously point two inches not a big difference [TS]

01:18:18   but it is a noticeable difference. [TS]

01:18:20   I don't I don't think we even really know yet the full value of having more screen space on the phones because so much [TS]

01:18:26   software can take advantage of it yet. So all this might change in a year when more apps are updated you know. [TS]

01:18:31   But for now I think it's kind of like the like you know buying the contrasts you T.V. [TS]

01:18:37   In the store when I look at the six and I look at the screen I would much rather like it's more appealing to me but [TS]

01:18:43   when I actually try to use the phone the five S. I think is more usable for me. Yeah I would agree with that. [TS]

01:18:52   It's funny because I don't know if I were to do it all over again [TS]

01:18:59   and let's suppose in some hypothetical world I can have the six internals in a five S case. [TS]

01:19:06   I'm leaning toward I would choose the I don't know hypothetical i Phone six many [TS]

01:19:12   but it's a tough call what I'm really curious to see and I'd be curious to hear what you guys think. [TS]

01:19:16   Do you think that next year Apple will make a i Phone six S. In a four inch form factor. [TS]

01:19:26   I'm leaning towards no but I think I want them to. [TS]

01:19:30   I think they got a look at the sales numbers though like they don't have to make a decision right away. [TS]

01:19:36   Probably have enough sales information like they know you know how well did the forest sell [TS]

01:19:40   when we put out the fire how well do the five five sell about the five S. [TS]

01:19:43   Like if it looks like the five looks like the five S. and Five C. [TS]

01:19:48   Are selling a way out of proportion to the numbers we would expect for like last year's phone. [TS]

01:19:52   They're like OK this shows there is an appetite for the smaller model that like that is disproportionate to like this. [TS]

01:20:00   Every year someone always buys last year's model [TS]

01:20:01   but this year we sold like you know five times as many of last year's model [TS]

01:20:05   and whatever showing is that people who had five rather than upgrade to six is chose to get last year's model [TS]

01:20:12   and like those I think those numbers will be compelling to Apple [TS]

01:20:15   but in the absence of those numbers of it just looks like I was the same as every year a couple deal by last year's [TS]

01:20:20   phone and then more people buy the new one. [TS]

01:20:23   It seems like if they wanted one in that size with you know if they wanted to keep one in that category they would have [TS]

01:20:31   maybe done something to besides leaving the five S. and Five things like live there I don't like. [TS]

01:20:36   If they come out with three different size phones will we have all freaked out two phones three phones [TS]

01:20:41   but one phone more [TS]

01:20:42   or less just like they have the manufacturing lines up for those other ones that is going to keep making them [TS]

01:20:45   but once those age out and got a long battle because they saw in the forest somewhere in the world maybe. [TS]

01:20:52   Anyway the lesson is they selling three point five inches anymore no they're not. [TS]

01:20:57   So like if if their sales patterns match every every other sales pattern that they've done with a bump the size they [TS]

01:21:05   will let the smaller size age out of the sales patterns [TS]

01:21:07   and do not match that phenomenon where they're going to say oh now we have to backfill that with a different phone. [TS]

01:21:13   Yeah I don't know I I'm with you on that. [TS]

01:21:15   I think it will depend like right now for this next year at least or at least right now you can get a five S. [TS]

01:21:23   Thirty two gig for one fifty on contract and that's a pretty good deal and it's a pretty good phone [TS]

01:21:28   and in many respects it's very close to the six you know the going from the five S. [TS]

01:21:34   To the six is if you if you don't care about the screen size difference. [TS]

01:21:40   In other respects it's a fairly small difference except unfortunately the camera is noticeably better. [TS]

01:21:46   I would also I would also add that the battery life. Even a couple weeks in M I six. [TS]

01:21:51   Yes I understand it's a brand new battery Yes I understand the five S. [TS]

01:21:54   Battery was a year old but I feel like the battery life is noticed. [TS]

01:22:00   Better on my sex than I was which is rated higher than it like apples numbers put it higher right. [TS]

01:22:05   I honestly don't know I think I think it's like an hour [TS]

01:22:08   or two over any you know I was there before like the numbers when you look at them on Apple spec sheet. [TS]

01:22:13   Oh the success wildly higher numbers than the five S. [TS]

01:22:16   but Slightly higher like those hours they're showing even if it's one hire one extra hour feels like an eternity like [TS]

01:22:22   oh my god I still have a whole hour to go on a phone it's amazing you know. [TS]

01:22:25   So yeah like I said the new battery stuff last time a lot of people can bring the plane about that was to remind people [TS]

01:22:32   that it's the data that advantage is going to be massively exaggerated with your one or two year old phone [TS]

01:22:36   but I'm pretty sure Apple actually in the specs shows it as being yes the six gets better battery life a virus if you [TS]

01:22:42   have They're both brand new out of the box. I think if enough people either buy the five S. [TS]

01:22:47   In the next year like Moore's more than however many people usually buy the year old phone and if enough [TS]

01:22:54   and you know say next year I wouldn't expect them to bring out a new four inch shown next year [TS]

01:23:00   or next year's cycle all likelihood they'll be like you know the success and the success plus whatever [TS]

01:23:05   but the year after that when it's time for a likely redesign for it onto your redesign cycle. [TS]

01:23:12   I wouldn't surprise me if they if they had a smaller phone as part of that next three years [TS]

01:23:17   and so I'm thinking for small Phone fans it's going to be a rough next two years or the next two years [TS]

01:23:22   but then there might be something because the thing is like with this it's a screen size like there is not there's not [TS]

01:23:30   a lot of ways they could have better executed the physical design of this phone that would've made the screen not be [TS]

01:23:37   too big to the people who think the screen is too big today. [TS]

01:23:41   Like I think the phones debate because there's already like they couldn't really make the phone that much smaller than [TS]

01:23:48   what it is right now and still have the size screen so I think the six is too big for you. [TS]

01:23:54   Any phone with a four point seven inch screen in the future is likely to be too big for you. I don't think they can. [TS]

01:24:00   Fix this problem with design improvements. Really. [TS]

01:24:03   So either the problem will go away [TS]

01:24:06   and people will just deal with it because they want the other advantage of the phone [TS]

01:24:11   or those people will start choosing not Apple phones which I'm sure Apple does not want. [TS]

01:24:16   So we'll see what happens there I guess. [TS]

01:24:18   So if Apple on either the success or the seven they bring back the four inch form factor. [TS]

01:24:26   How do they spin that from a marketing perspective. [TS]

01:24:29   They completely ignore it [TS]

01:24:30   and they say call give it some cool name like i Phone Air i Phone many i Phone then they don't have to spend it because [TS]

01:24:35   if they time it right all they'll be doing is making sure that they continue to have a phone of that size now lined up [TS]

01:24:41   because they have phones as I was now lined up now the five C. or The actually go away for the five S. The five S. [TS]

01:24:46   Goes away and at some point you replace it with your new four inch phone. [TS]

01:24:50   Like I don't think that requires an explanation. [TS]

01:24:53   We're good thanks what two or three sponsored this week Hava studio neat and square space [TS]

01:24:59   and we will see you next week if it's even possible you're saying however even more indirectly even though I think I [TS]

01:25:05   don't like like you're saying you're forcing the you even more than you were before. [TS]

01:25:10   So I call going to be there so no I can't do it just because it's incorrect. That's why you can't do it. [TS]

01:25:20   Now show is over and it was accidental accidental it was accidental. [TS]

01:25:41   Thank you for not getting anywhere from twenty cents to that list and the. [TS]

01:26:01   There are little more in the screen thing since now we have more time to run the action and that out of work. [TS]

01:26:25   So again as I said earlier I want to bigger screen before we had bigger screen I really want this I was hoping to get [TS]

01:26:31   one and we got one. [TS]

01:26:33   However I kind of question the value of of relatively small screen size improvement [TS]

01:26:39   or screen size increases under vices that you almost you almost always hold important [TS]

01:26:43   or intuition because you pay a lot in phone size for the diagonal increases [TS]

01:26:49   but you get so little horizontal space with each game like the horizontal size differences very small between these [TS]

01:26:58   three models and I would argue that actually matters a lot more for a lot of things things like reading and [TS]

01:27:04   and you know so a lot of applications. [TS]

01:27:07   You know any kind of you know email kind of stuff you know with matter so much for all these apps. [TS]

01:27:12   It is so often the limiting factor in how usable something is web pages stuff like that that here on that square [TS]

01:27:18   Blackberry phone. Yeah. [TS]

01:27:22   I can honestly I can see why some crazy person there thought that was a good idea I like it because you really like [TS]

01:27:29   you're making you're making the phone so much bigger in ways that only really get you a little bit of verticals space. [TS]

01:27:37   Well you know like you said you are the apps they get updated they have to have the apps [TS]

01:27:41   and like with a few pixels does matter like suddenly layouts that were not feasible for become feasible due to the [TS]

01:27:46   average length the average size of you know post titles Avatar images are really like it like you just need the [TS]

01:27:52   software to be out there be that all you're doing is stretching existing i Phone You are like is on the scene that [TS]

01:27:57   when you stretched overcast the i Pad then you're not getting it. [TS]

01:28:00   Value out of those extra pixels but I think there are enough extra pixels that a U.I. [TS]

01:28:03   Design for them can actually derive value from it. [TS]

01:28:06   Maybe but there's there's also the factor that [TS]

01:28:09   when you buy making the screen bigger You also had to abandon certain areas of the screen that are no longer easily [TS]

01:28:16   reachable in your designs you have enough control [TS]

01:28:19   and save us for this labor because like most of the larger sizes not so you know it hurts you in terms of control [TS]

01:28:24   placement [TS]

01:28:24   but it helps you in terms of how much information you put on the screen like the type of thing where if you're so used [TS]

01:28:29   to using an app on the i Pad and you go use the i Phone version you're missing half the U.I. [TS]

01:28:33   I like Oh yeah they can't show that part of the U.I. [TS]

01:28:36   Even the landscape mode because they just don't have room [TS]

01:28:38   and just feels like you're looking at the app through like an overlay with a cutout [TS]

01:28:42   and you can only see the table view you can see the sidebar apps that are updated specially for the six plus [TS]

01:28:48   but maybe also for the six it may take longer to do that for the six to say like OK we're in a world where I can assume [TS]

01:28:55   that you're going to have it actually pixel well but I think that will make a difference [TS]

01:28:58   and even of just simple things like you can read more text on a web page at the flick you know that type of thing. [TS]

01:29:04   See but the thing is it's most obvious to me that the vertical real estate is a big deal. [TS]

01:29:10   When I go to the messages app on Aaron's phone and yes some of that is horizontal. [TS]

01:29:16   But I feel like a lot of the difference is I can see so much more context on my phone as to the last several messages [TS]

01:29:23   that it's been sent [TS]

01:29:25   or in my case the last several gifts that I can't see on Aaron's phone because the screen is vertically a lot shorter [TS]

01:29:32   as well I think the biggest benefit of larger screen is for you know for people who have trouble seeing things on it's [TS]

01:29:37   going to a little screen like that. [TS]

01:29:39   Yeah the load and [TS]

01:29:40   or just using a regular mobile cranking up the tech size both of those things the fact is you have really talked about [TS]

01:29:45   much exists on both the sexes expose shows like not only we're going to give you a bigger thing [TS]

01:29:50   but we're going to make it we're going to allow you to crank it even more [TS]

01:29:53   and a large in only increasing proportion of the potential customer base. [TS]

01:30:00   Has better vision in life is the things they are so right. What else is going on. [TS]

01:30:04   Anything else for the after show are we going to wrap this somewhat early game cube controllers. [TS]

01:30:09   I was hoping to avoid game to game cube controllers you know we can avoid it. [TS]

01:30:13   Now you can have you can have your your minutes in the sun here. How can I even know what this is about. [TS]

01:30:21   Neither do I now. [TS]

01:30:22   Neither one of you [TS]

01:30:23   and I know I know you're really excited about game controllers for some reason you to say I should say this [TS]

01:30:30   when I go on gaming podcasts and they can talk about my controller stuff. OK I mean no I'd love to hear it. [TS]

01:30:36   So what happened. It looks like they're like they're now for sale again. No there's no hona I don't I guess. [TS]

01:30:45   Oh I see what this is. I understand why you guys of all this stuff. Yes it is a global level and gives us an adapter. [TS]

01:30:50   Let's use a game two controllers like Smash Bros is coming out of the fighting game for its alpha three D.S. [TS]

01:30:55   Coming out of the way you. [TS]

01:30:56   It's very popular [TS]

01:30:59   and for a while we've known that they're going to sell an adapter that lets you use your Game Cube controller with your [TS]

01:31:05   review [TS]

01:31:06   and they're selling a special Smash Brothers branded one with a little logo on it specifically for this purpose so that [TS]

01:31:11   there's one thing [TS]

01:31:11   and then they're going to reissue the game you controls for the logo on it saying We know you love playing smash those [TS]

01:31:17   are the games you control in your game cube Here you go you'll be able to keep doing that on the way you are [TS]

01:31:22   and that's kind of like kind of like if we decide about the i Phone being replaced and I go OK with a small [TS]

01:31:28   and they're edging out it's time to make a new four inch version. [TS]

01:31:32   And what they did instead was brought back the exactly the five S. and Like give you a way to use your five S. [TS]

01:31:39   when I was ten. Right all right with I was nine or whatever the two at that point it would be like. [TS]

01:31:44   Aren't you going to make a new like I know you like that phone size is good. [TS]

01:31:47   Aren't you going to get a new small phone last year that you'd like to control it so much. [TS]

01:31:51   We've given up on ever making a better control so we're going to bring back a little bit we're going to sell you a [TS]

01:31:55   twenty dollars bill to use your old controller from whatever year that was two thousand. [TS]

01:32:00   Then in one maybe two thousand and two. [TS]

01:32:04   Just bring him back we're going to keep we'll keep making them we never really stop making numbers we making them again [TS]

01:32:09   and I think it's OK I'm happy because the news is news now is that not only will you be able to use this game to [TS]

01:32:15   control with Smash Bros which everybody knew [TS]

01:32:18   but Apple Apple intent was officially announced that you will be able to use this Game Cube controller data of any game [TS]

01:32:23   that supports the classic controller that we go as a controller pro [TS]

01:32:26   and the way you broken trawler which is based like you have a virtual console game [TS]

01:32:30   or some other game like this adapter isn't just the you know the only reason you'd buy the doctors if you have just one [TS]

01:32:35   game be adaptable center allow you to your game controller [TS]

01:32:38   and all the reasonable scenarios where you expect a Game Cube life controller to work [TS]

01:32:42   and I'm very happy about that as I don't like the broken trawler for a variety of reasons but I'm also like this. [TS]

01:32:50   This announcement makes me think a Nintendo is a myth. [TS]

01:32:53   Admitting that the controller is crappy It's not like it's not shoddily made it's nicely made it looks nice it feels [TS]

01:32:59   reasonably good [TS]

01:33:01   but there's a reason people prefer the games you control which is inferior in many ways especially the deep game [TS]

01:33:07   controllers a total write off like games you would throw it is not perfect [TS]

01:33:10   but it is better overall I think in the program throw in the fact the Nintendo is really reissuing this controller [TS]

01:33:17   and rich [TS]

01:33:18   and making an adapter for us as we admit that our friends you know we are Pro Controller has not met with the enthusiasm [TS]

01:33:24   that we hoped it would especially among people who like the games you control are [TS]

01:33:30   and then there are further admitting that we can't do any better or we're not going to try to do any better right now. [TS]

01:33:36   So over to do is let you use your old controller and that's kind of exciting [TS]

01:33:41   and depressing at the same time because what you would expect them to do. [TS]

01:33:44   Like we're expecting with the phones at the small of the popular make me a new four inch phone that is better than my [TS]

01:33:50   old four inch phone that brings along all the things I liked about my four inch phone but is new [TS]

01:33:56   and improved on the things that you respect like how about something it's like a game to it. But has a D. [TS]

01:34:01   Pad that's worth a damn [TS]

01:34:02   or you know fix the shoulder buttons to be more interesting in the game to children who they were a little bit weird I [TS]

01:34:08   don't know. [TS]

01:34:08   So it's happy news said this but all I know is I'm getting this adapter [TS]

01:34:11   and I oughter already ordered two new Game Cube controllers so. [TS]

01:34:15   Question Why are there to us be connectors on this [TS]

01:34:21   and more importantly why are they different colors if you have one U.S.B. [TS]

01:34:26   Connector is not enough for four controllers apparently. [TS]

01:34:29   Who knows but I don't know I mean look at the look at the connectors on it's like this is ancient technology. [TS]

01:34:35   You know before wireless before U.S.B. Controllers. [TS]

01:34:39   Yeah [TS]

01:34:39   but you're still not answer my question why the hell would you make one green one black that's hitting you know I'm assuming [TS]

01:34:44   that because you have to plug one into one board or one of the like they want you to differentiate them. [TS]

01:34:49   Some are saying you want to date [TS]

01:34:50   and one for power for the rumble in our forum both packs my best guess too does the way you only have two U.S.B. Ports. [TS]

01:34:58   I think you know just that I have never played anything [TS]

01:35:00   and my best guess is that they don't want you to be a little plug into these adapters. [TS]

01:35:04   Now I just would say that I like the theory in the chat room that one is for power [TS]

01:35:07   and one that you need two connectors to be able to powerful rumbles but who knows. But why make them. [TS]

01:35:13   Why make them different colors. [TS]

01:35:15   That's content so hitting maybe one has to be in one part of want to be in another I don't know I hope not. [TS]

01:35:22   Amen to intend. You don't we can put anything past them. [TS]

01:35:25   Well I got I got even ten of credit they're doing what they do best which is they're finding ways to make people buy [TS]

01:35:31   large quantities of twenty and thirty dollars censorious. [TS]

01:35:35   Yeah all of it like I was posting on Twitter I was looking for some control of your plans and Game Cube games [TS]

01:35:40   and the Alex take eventually whereas out of these things if you use it long enough I gets loose and sloppy [TS]

01:35:46   and so I was looking for some new ones to buy [TS]

01:35:49   and you can still buy a white one which they made specially for that we are with a longer cord [TS]

01:35:55   and Wells can you buy it. I think I've seen some black one saying RAM but they made them in. [TS]

01:36:00   A variety of colors if you are one of the fancy colors and you want a new in box not used. [TS]

01:36:04   It's extremely hard to find you can really find it like two hundred dollars on e Bay you know new in the box. [TS]

01:36:12   Platinum or spice games you controllers [TS]

01:36:15   or wave bird similar the wireless version version of those things are very expensive if you want the new Like They're [TS]

01:36:20   collector's item to this point so them reissuing them with the Smash Brothers logo on it I didn't want Valens I don't [TS]

01:36:25   want to Smash Brothers logo on top of that I have and it was also black and boring so I bought a white one [TS]

01:36:30   and then on e Bay I bought a silver one which is supposedly new in the box. [TS]

01:36:33   We'll see if that turns out to be the case [TS]

01:36:38   but yeah I would I would really like them to make a new controller that's better than a game controller. [TS]

01:36:43   But so far they have not done that. [TS]

01:36:47   All right I feel better for having no control right now I'm playing all your favorite Game Cube games are my favorite [TS]

01:36:56   game. I don't think I ever played any game cube games but I don't mind a flashback to F. [TS]

01:37:02   A zero on the Super Nintendo recently which I loved. I missed that game. [TS]

01:37:07   Yeah that would be you know they were so they could issue a an adapter for any assassin is controllers you can buy them [TS]

01:37:14   online now I know about like they sell they sell any S. and S. [TS]

01:37:17   and He has games on there you know the Virtual Console thing [TS]

01:37:20   and yet they want you to play them with these variety of remade controllers [TS]

01:37:24   and so that's a case where you would want to know that it's not a game obviously having a pin [TS]

01:37:27   or sixteen bit game you want the original control it is the whole point is the style fine [TS]

01:37:32   but here I feel like this just make a better controller. [TS]