00:00:01 ◼ ► They can avoid it. Now you can have you can have your minutes in the sun here. How can I even know what this is about. [TS]
00:00:11 ◼ ► Neither one of you remember back in the day when I used to do an after net broadcast when we went live. [TS]
00:00:20 ◼ ► You don't do that anymore do you. Now I'm done and while I don't even post the show links to happen anymore right. [TS]
00:00:25 ◼ ► Well with that in mind do you want to ask me how many people were complaining about me not doing up to now broadcast [TS]
00:00:38 ◼ ► or two people who did because it seemed like the kind of person who ever received an apt broadcast probably feels [TS]
00:00:44 ◼ ► entitled to keep receiving after night broadcasts. Actually no it's my recollection not a single soul said anything. [TS]
00:00:52 ◼ ► Sorry that's the truth and also an equally explainable trying to test. Well that's too bad. [TS]
00:01:00 ◼ ► Oh yeah the thing I logged into once yeah I logged in ones I followed everywhere anyone I could find define using [TS]
00:01:07 ◼ ► Fairport we have it we have accounts I don't I think I did post on Tyre a poster reply to someone some in some areas [TS]
00:01:13 ◼ ► and I replied but I don't know what's going on on that side and all that is one of my username and I didn't get that. [TS]
00:01:25 ◼ ► but I got my I got my current at least I got my username and found some people to follow and my current well [TS]
00:01:37 ◼ ► and you can you can do the kind of leverage media it's kind of like having between Twitter [TS]
00:01:44 ◼ ► or combined thing it is doesn't seem to be any kind of reasonable post limiter in it like that [TS]
00:01:54 ◼ ► I hang out on Twitter the people I talk to are on Twitter it's exact same problem I have that are not even at the [TS]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Which is which was not it wasn't that nobody was there because a lot of people were there [TS]
00:02:07 ◼ ► But the question is like when I have a thought that I want to post or when I have a question I want to ask. [TS]
00:02:14 ◼ ► If you put it on both then it's kind of awkward for people who follow you in both places the kind of annoying. [TS]
00:02:20 ◼ ► And if you're only going to put on one place chances are Twitter is the better place for it for most purposes it [TS]
00:02:26 ◼ ► doesn't really solve the problem of how do you split yourself between these two services like if Elo had come out [TS]
00:02:35 ◼ ► and after that came out it would have had a better chance after Net was a decent idea at the right time for the most [TS]
00:02:47 ◼ ► And then you know the motivation for it kind of faded away because Twitter like is always going to be shifting in [TS]
00:02:53 ◼ ► directions that we don't like. You know Twitter Twitters moves are going to be like the kids these days. [TS]
00:02:59 ◼ ► For us it's good like what they're going to just keep doing things that push it in a direction because you know [TS]
00:03:04 ◼ ► basically Facebook and Twitter both extremely envy the other and in ways that make both products [TS]
00:03:14 ◼ ► and so I think you know if Twitter is going to keep adopting like the worse things about Facebook Twitter is going to [TS]
00:03:22 ◼ ► do it in a way it's going to be like the bull in the frog thing like they're going to do like little things here [TS]
00:03:31 ◼ ► It's going to make all of us run fleeing I think five years from now what Twitter is would be nearly unrecognizable to [TS]
00:03:41 ◼ ► But it's going to be done that way over you know in a gradual way it can be done over that span so that we slowly won't [TS]
00:03:51 ◼ ► And so there's never going to be this one event that kicks all of us off or drives us all to go. Sway. [TS]
00:04:00 ◼ ► It's just something else to go like we're all going to leave at once the whole party is moving over to the bar down the [TS]
00:04:11 ◼ ► and if you are the bar down the block at that point you know you could benefit hugely from that. [TS]
00:04:19 ◼ ► and chances are you're going to lose a bunch of people on the one the way to other things like [TS]
00:04:27 ◼ ► There was like five different things you know there's always happens whenever any kind of like community major social [TS]
00:04:32 ◼ ► site like when when something goes away the people kind of scatter and fragments over different places. [TS]
00:04:38 ◼ ► So as long as we want to keep talking to the people that we're talking to on Twitter we're going to be keeping using [TS]
00:04:55 ◼ ► when you download an item the person who gave it to you STILL HAS IT LIKE IT'S NOT displacement in a digital bit they [TS]
00:05:06 ◼ ► Well in social networking I think the phenomenon of the yellow You know you your knowledge of what's all the some of [TS]
00:05:16 ◼ ► Comes along even though we're not we have the baseline dissatisfaction with Twitter that's kind of always simmering [TS]
00:05:22 ◼ ► there. We don't all leave Twitter but we do is we all go to the bar down the block. But we also stay in Twitter. [TS]
00:05:29 ◼ ► So it's like you know it's like when you take a digital bits or whatever the original person still has [TS]
00:05:33 ◼ ► and we're still on Twitter but we're also we all run over to Ella and then we get there [TS]
00:05:37 ◼ ► and it's like this empty white room and it's kind of boring and we try to get a username and Emily [TS]
00:05:44 ◼ ► but we never left Twitter so it's like the digital equivalent of a call to the bar and we all do. [TS]
00:05:51 ◼ ► but not Twitter someone asked me on Twitter right now what is it what is it that is supposed to be appealing about [TS]
00:06:00 ◼ ► That's the appeal of all these things I would love something that's kind of like Twitter [TS]
00:06:09 ◼ ► and we go over to not only go over to a maybe that that is well go over to L O or net [TS]
00:06:17 ◼ ► or whatever because it looks if you squint it looks kind of like Twitter and we all don't like Twitter [TS]
00:06:24 ◼ ► and it's like you know I mean you write it like if there was a big event that actually kicked us out physically [TS]
00:06:31 ◼ ► But even then even if we got all pesky little keep our Twitter account to keep using it [TS]
00:06:35 ◼ ► and we're going to keep using it until something else is out there that makes us want to move to it [TS]
00:06:51 ◼ ► and be they'll be some kind of transition because we just never make it over the hump during the transition [TS]
00:06:57 ◼ ► There was conversations happening there that a lot of people that we knew it just you know we also still stayed on [TS]
00:07:03 ◼ ► and Ellen also has the problems of like they seem to get really popular really quickly before they were quite ready for [TS]
00:07:11 ◼ ► it. Not in a scaling way I mean I don't know if they had challenges their Twitter to do so. [TS]
00:07:24 ◼ ► Yeah they don't have any apps that's one of the reasons I'm not using it at all where is the app for my mac Where is [TS]
00:07:29 ◼ ► the app for my i Pod It's like well I don't I'm not going to that Web site I mean that's like if you if you are [TS]
00:07:44 ◼ ► That's where people go like launching in the web browser might seem like a good idea to some web nerds [TS]
00:07:50 ◼ ► but the fact is the web browser is no longer the preeminent platform for this sort of thing the i Phone app is [TS]
00:07:55 ◼ ► and it's the work of the Web browser the works for a like if you're whole if you're going to be anything like. [TS]
00:08:03 ◼ ► and then underneath it a big list of other blurbs of texts like it's doing that in a web page is not optimal it's [TS]
00:08:11 ◼ ► practically designed for mobile like it's it is the mobile Facebook like get rid of everything today one text field in [TS]
00:08:25 ◼ ► Well yeah that's true but you're saying that you wouldn't want to go to the Web site but don't you use the G. [TS]
00:08:36 ◼ ► Emails are not one hundred forty characters they're organized in complicated ways not just a big linear timeline they [TS]
00:08:42 ◼ ► require actions and filing and replies like that email is not Twitter No it's not Twitter [TS]
00:08:48 ◼ ► but I don't want to struck me odd that you immediately you know snow on the Web site and it's all [TS]
00:08:56 ◼ ► and you want to dedicated to a place to do this thing I ever than I I saw because they could take some of the screen [TS]
00:09:03 ◼ ► but on the mac I don't want to dedicated entire browser tab to never mandatory Web site is just not nice these days [TS]
00:09:10 ◼ ► and well I don't like it anyway so it will do what it never was nice I mean let's be honest it was nice there like it [TS]
00:09:16 ◼ ► was like all the things you're talking about Twitter doing that we don't like a lot of the manifest in the web site [TS]
00:09:21 ◼ ► with the crazy lines between post trying to show that I guess just I just want a big linear time ordered stream [TS]
00:09:27 ◼ ► and that's that's when you get I was divisive that's what I get in my little back up that I used and everything's good. [TS]
00:09:34 ◼ ► Like their business model their appeal I think the reason why people are actually using it is because it's a new thing [TS]
00:09:47 ◼ ► We put a whole bunch and so anyone actually using it because I'm not trying to like you know be funny or anything. [TS]
00:09:52 ◼ ► I've seen two or three posts on Elo that have been linked probably on Twitter and that's about it and I walked into it. [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Like we were saying earlier wants to grab my username and like set the bare minimum of profile information [TS]
00:10:08 ◼ ► Yeah I'm the exact same way I left email notifications on so just in case some people are trying to contact me you know [TS]
00:10:18 ◼ ► and that's I think the best hope of drawing people in is like you know those notifications are on by default [TS]
00:10:23 ◼ ► but you know and you know their whole their whole appeal is supposed to be that they're never going to have ads right. [TS]
00:10:29 ◼ ► That's that's what they're saying we're never going to have ADD You know we're going to somehow fund ourself through [TS]
00:10:34 ◼ ► basically like donations and Kickstarter like things from like that I don't know the details [TS]
00:10:38 ◼ ► but I don't see that working and they have V.C. Funded or not they may say whatever they say but in reality there V.C. [TS]
00:10:45 ◼ ► Funded right and the thing is like a company can say whatever it wants at the beginning and you can you can say [TS]
00:10:54 ◼ ► or that they're planning on changing direction later I'm not saying that the people today can can think and say [TS]
00:11:01 ◼ ► and do whatever they want but the fact is this can always change in the future at any time in the future. [TS]
00:11:08 ◼ ► Maybe the founders aren't aren't there anymore maybe someone else takes over the company. [TS]
00:11:23 ◼ ► but its main downsides for like the good of society basically its main downsides are that it's centralized [TS]
00:11:31 ◼ ► and secondarily it used to have a lot of big scaling problems of those really mostly a thing of the past now. [TS]
00:11:37 ◼ ► Now if we go to L O L It will have the exact same scaling challenges if it actually gets enough people in [TS]
00:11:45 ◼ ► They're going to face all the same things we're going to start from start start again from zero to get in from like two [TS]
00:11:50 ◼ ► thousand five hundred then at the end if they if they actually manage to have a big mass of people using it. [TS]
00:12:02 ◼ ► We still have one centralized company controlling this medium and Twitter has shown this really is its own medium. [TS]
00:12:10 ◼ ► But it's unfortunately medium tied to its network and you know as you saw like with tent [TS]
00:12:17 ◼ ► and they rename it over that is cupcake you know that it OK I think it's OK whatever that whatever that is or was. [TS]
00:12:26 ◼ ► Decentralizing this is hard it's a hard problem but ello is not solving that problem neither was apt. [TS]
00:12:41 ◼ ► and actually make these things it's going to go through all the same challenges Twitter has gone through with scaling [TS]
00:12:53 ◼ ► and at the end we're still going to have this one centralized company that controls all of this [TS]
00:13:01 ◼ ► Oh seem like they're nice and customer friendly now but started Twitter when they started and that was a long time ago. [TS]
00:13:09 ◼ ► Most of those people have moved on and it's a very different company with very different needs [TS]
00:13:21 ◼ ► What we need to be designing is an alternative that can satisfy the roles the Twitter service for us [TS]
00:13:29 ◼ ► but in a way that is a decentralized protocol a standard is not one central server that does all this work that is [TS]
00:13:36 ◼ ► owned by a private company is a protocol like email or D.M.'s like that's what we need. You know whether it's R.S.S. [TS]
00:13:43 ◼ ► Based I don't really care about imitation details. Dave Winer can have his R.S.S. World if you want. [TS]
00:13:54 ◼ ► and I know I know people are saying people in terror tell me I know that's what tent slash cupcake. [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Was or is it didn't take off and maybe it's because it was at the same time it out at night [TS]
00:14:05 ◼ ► and so it was like it was too competitive I don't know. And there are a lot of problems. [TS]
00:14:10 ◼ ► There's a lot of challenges in developing that sort of thing with especially with things like identity [TS]
00:14:17 ◼ ► But that's that is the kind of solution we need to the Twitter being kind of a problem. [TS]
00:14:24 ◼ ► It's not to say to build another company up to this point it's to eliminate the need for these companies for this [TS]
00:14:43 ◼ ► It started with the super nerds and then it's ending it's ended it's carrying on through you know superstars. [TS]
00:14:52 ◼ ► And I'm not trying to say that that like popular musicians are popular actors or what [TS]
00:14:57 ◼ ► or whatever are not intelligent but they value very different things than the nerds do [TS]
00:15:01 ◼ ► and it's taken a very a series of very specific decisions by Twitter the company in order to make Twitter the product [TS]
00:15:09 ◼ ► to be something that appeals kind of to everyone and yes Leon the nerds like me and you [TS]
00:15:14 ◼ ► and we all grumble about things that they do but in the end of the day as he said before this is the popular bar [TS]
00:15:19 ◼ ► and what's weird about Twitter is it's a very I can think of better word than democratic [TS]
00:15:25 ◼ ► or unifying perhaps everyone is kind of sort of on the same page on Twitter Yeah you know I may have more [TS]
00:15:30 ◼ ► or less followers and other people like I have a lot less followers and you too for example [TS]
00:15:38 ◼ ► and that's not something you see in a bar it's not something you see in regular society and [TS]
00:15:43 ◼ ► and to have a regular schmo deal with something that's decentralized that doesn't have a real easy onboarding [TS]
00:15:51 ◼ ► experience that isn't something like the web that is so deeply deeply rooted in the Internet that it's it's. [TS]
00:16:00 ◼ ► It's gotten past the fact that it's kind of weird onboarding in your L's are funny [TS]
00:16:04 ◼ ► and what is dot com really mean etc I just don't see how it scientists cupcake whatever we're calling it. [TS]
00:16:11 ◼ ► Well look at it look at email I think email is is a great example of how this kind of thing could happen [TS]
00:16:19 ◼ ► So email is exactly what we're talking about it is a decentralized social network that has [TS]
00:16:25 ◼ ► and it has a Discover bill the challenges it has problems with spam and abuse. But we've managed to make it all work. [TS]
00:16:32 ◼ ► It isn't like we don't have this like panacea of dictum where everybody has their own domain name [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► No we have a lot of people like that but then we also have like G. Mail and Yahoo Mail and M.S.N. [TS]
00:16:50 ◼ ► and a lot of people are fine just doing that any and that is very centralized within that service [TS]
00:16:57 ◼ ► and none of the services are ever going to get powerful enough to control the medium. [TS]
00:17:01 ◼ ► I hope Google but it doesn't have to be like total decentralize like you know Bitcoin poor kind of stuff. [TS]
00:17:08 ◼ ► Of like every nerd has their own thing or rather every nerd's required to have their own thing [TS]
00:17:16 ◼ ► It can be more like the way email does work which is the nerds can get their identities in their own domain if they [TS]
00:17:21 ◼ ► want them and everyone else can go to some central provider this is really isn't this exactly what tents did. [TS]
00:17:27 ◼ ► Everyone else can go to that can go to like you know a couple of the big popular providers [TS]
00:17:32 ◼ ► Yeah that's a tent thingy of cases problem of how how do you get something like tent which has existed for a long time [TS]
00:17:41 ◼ ► I did get that sketch on I think the best shot in the current environment is for something I don't know the technical [TS]
00:17:49 ◼ ► but for something like that to not actually be the product so if you can imagine presence of bitcoin that it caught on [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Sort of peer to peer concert network consensus based protocol for doing something that ends up being very valuable too [TS]
00:18:10 ◼ ► to a lot of people like whether it's you know I mean other than people trying to launder money right. [TS]
00:18:21 ◼ ► but actually people totally use it as a way to transfer money from each other without a central mediating authority [TS]
00:18:27 ◼ ► with consensus spacing or whatever like I mean obviously we know how Bitcoin is and that up [TS]
00:18:33 ◼ ► but I would something like that where someone builds an underlying infrastructure for this is what you need for this if [TS]
00:18:39 ◼ ► you don't have a central server you need some way for for it to be more or less peer to peer [TS]
00:18:43 ◼ ► but for there to be consensus of everybody about what is the nature of the timeline [TS]
00:18:47 ◼ ► and how do we agree that the that this is the time line and that it has been poisoned with fake things [TS]
00:18:53 ◼ ► and you really said Twitter serves that role and essential I think Twitter determines what is [TS]
00:18:57 ◼ ► and isn't a tweet to get permalink throw things also stuff it's not like email where you can be store and forward [TS]
00:19:02 ◼ ► and you have your own private repositories and you can delete them it'll be gone you know doesn't have you [TS]
00:19:06 ◼ ► or else you need some kind of centralized way to figure out where where the you know what's it called tweets where the [TS]
00:19:12 ◼ ► tweets are one of the euro of which we can approve the street was really made verified checkmarks all that stuff [TS]
00:19:18 ◼ ► but you don't want to have a central authority so that's kind of a bit going does with the you know it's weird Pash [TS]
00:19:27 ◼ ► but a large mesh network where no one noticed that they tend to Congress has more federated with islands [TS]
00:19:38 ◼ ► but not built for anything having to do with Twitter merely built for some other thing that has a readily explainable [TS]
00:19:44 ◼ ► highly lucrative reason for being that causes it to come into very common use and to be built out everywhere [TS]
00:19:52 ◼ ► and for every operating system to have it built in and have a client in every platform and. [TS]
00:19:58 ◼ ► And then like it can all come tumbling down. I'm kind of like but going May right. [TS]
00:20:04 ◼ ► when that was being distributed everywhere because lots of people making money using this network the infrastructure [TS]
00:20:10 ◼ ► People said hey you know what else we can do it on this network we can send it a little message to talk about whatever [TS]
00:20:15 ◼ ► or whatever other even of the gaming thing massively online peer to peer multiplayer gaming you know whatever the [TS]
00:20:21 ◼ ► infrastructure is at some point they'll say you know you can use the same mental infrastructure to send tiny little [TS]
00:20:28 ◼ ► Kind of I guess I must take you back on you know on the voice network for cell phones [TS]
00:20:31 ◼ ► and that is the only way we're going to get a Twitter like thing I think because it has to be like sort of snuck in [TS]
00:20:42 ◼ ► and is the tractor to pull this massive really complicated infrastructure to spread it across all devices [TS]
00:20:46 ◼ ► and the entire network and then some and shoving little messages there and then have the other thing probably implode [TS]
00:20:52 ◼ ► or whatever and what you're left with is like oh well now we have all these clients and all these servers [TS]
00:20:57 ◼ ► And for this you know this peer to peer network with no centralized authority to authentically exchange small messages [TS]
00:21:04 ◼ ► and what it is that I mean maybe you know that I was trying to take away my massive centralized as well [TS]
00:21:09 ◼ ► but anyway that that I think is the best the best case scenario the most likely scenario because I just don't see a way [TS]
00:21:20 ◼ ► but I'm distributed I don't see how that ever gets to critical mass without being pulled behind something as sort of [TS]
00:21:27 ◼ ► Complicating this problem like the way social sites grow is kind of random it's kind of like you know it's kind of like [TS]
00:21:37 ◼ ► You can you can increase your chances decrease your chances with the choices you make [TS]
00:21:46 ◼ ► and it has a lot to do with things like like you know who goes there what exactly when it comes like [TS]
00:21:52 ◼ ► when someone hears about it like we're all talking about tent like it's already dead we don't even know because at the [TS]
00:22:03 ◼ ► and I disliked in my last message from five months ago I think I squatted on either lists or K.C. [TS]
00:22:16 ◼ ► What I do want to ask you guys this is a gender genuine question has there been any sort of services [TS]
00:22:33 ◼ ► when the Internet as we know it today kind of took off from thinking like Bit Torrent as a protocol that's taken off to [TS]
00:22:44 ◼ ► But there's been no Twitter there's Facebook I guess that's still centralized Is there anything that bit the bit [TS]
00:22:57 ◼ ► but if it means you can get free stuff then you know so that spread you can get a bittorrent client for everything [TS]
00:23:02 ◼ ► or other they have the tracker problem looks like it's like kind of centralized exactly so that is not distributed Bitcoin. [TS]
00:23:11 ◼ ► or whatever like you know a way to exchange money between parties who don't trust each other right. [TS]
00:23:17 ◼ ► And you know speculative you know trying to get rich quick by you know like there was a tractor behind behind bitcoin [TS]
00:23:29 ◼ ► and also what I was talking about where there's no central authority are does have the consensus problems of like if [TS]
00:23:34 ◼ ► anyone gets more than fifty one percent more than half of the computing power you can theory poising the block [TS]
00:23:40 ◼ ► or big long Glenn Fleishman was it new disruptors I think it was a talk show maybe was a talk show via trying to [TS]
00:23:54 ◼ ► but it's like Bit Torrent Plus this other thing and I feel like there's something else out there if it's not. [TS]
00:24:03 ◼ ► So maybe it's porn maybe games right some other tractor is going to pull whatever the next iteration of this is because [TS]
00:24:10 ◼ ► I don't think either one of those is sufficient to be an infrastructure for a centralized where like Bing [TS]
00:24:15 ◼ ► but it proves that if you have a big tractor you can make the craziest weirdest most unfriendly protocols [TS]
00:24:21 ◼ ► and stop spread everywhere I mean you're making good hardware fervor bit going to right now [TS]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and then you need that to be successful long enough for someone to say hey we can put messages infrastructure [TS]
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00:27:50 ◼ ► Our printer ran out of regular paper earlier this afternoon was that after ran out of paper when I was there. [TS]
00:27:56 ◼ ► Yeah when you were here I put in at the last like clump of. Regular paper I could find. Now that's gone too. [TS]
00:28:08 ◼ ► when I was discussing our lack of paper that we've been saving all this we have like resume paper [TS]
00:28:17 ◼ ► And it's the cheesy stuff it's like imagine if you had a resume if you have a resume paper. [TS]
00:28:25 ◼ ► when in the rest of your life you will ever be applying for a job where a paper resume would even be accepted. [TS]
00:28:35 ◼ ► and applied for it with a paper resume imagine how it would look if you say if you gave this like this blue paper [TS]
00:28:41 ◼ ► that's all this blue parchment paper that has a big Southworth watermark across the middle of it is crap possible. [TS]
00:28:49 ◼ ► That would be a big upgrade from what actually happens which I have experience is what actually happens in the modern [TS]
00:28:56 ◼ ► If you're lucky you applied to a job directly through some crazy web site if you're unlucky you end up going to [TS]
00:29:01 ◼ ► recruiter Either way no matter how you format your resume they will demand it be formatted in some other way couldn't [TS]
00:29:11 ◼ ► and that will go through seven different systems so that by the time you said down in front of someone what they will [TS]
00:29:16 ◼ ► have done is printed from their web browser or whatever interface they see your resume [TS]
00:29:21 ◼ ► and it would've come out as an unholy mess badly wrapped overly formatted like it would just it wouldn't look like your [TS]
00:29:29 ◼ ► resume had been put through a blender and that is what they have in their hand in front of them [TS]
00:29:32 ◼ ► when they're looking over quote unquote your resume bears no resemblance whatsoever to whatever your resume began so [TS]
00:29:38 ◼ ► actually it would be a huge upgrade for them to have a piece of paper in their hand that I printed with my resume from [TS]
00:29:54 ◼ ► Resume and everybody wanted either word or like a plain text paste out of all the key words. [TS]
00:30:01 ◼ ► but at least they can print the word document the worse is going to go through like a recorder system an H.R. [TS]
00:30:05 ◼ ► System then comes back out of the printer whether you can tell that the whole used to be worse [TS]
00:30:09 ◼ ► or like the web browser put these insane footers in headers and then are they still do release these tiny text now [TS]
00:30:14 ◼ ► but just yeah it's terrible I guess that maybe we're just on our way passing through [TS]
00:30:17 ◼ ► and eventually I'll just be like my resume is on the Web put up on your i Pad while you want do some follow up. [TS]
00:30:24 ◼ ► Let's do it. So we had some very interesting emails from Hendrick who is part of pixels on Twitter. [TS]
00:30:37 ◼ ► but John I think you were lamenting at the most would you like to cover this particular piece of follow up. [TS]
00:30:43 ◼ ► So last week we were discussing a piece of information posted to Twitter as an image of text with no problems that I [TS]
00:30:51 ◼ ► could determine and and it was discussed in as a hypothetical if this is true it would be gross. [TS]
00:31:03 ◼ ► when viewing ten video on an i Phone six plus six plus that actually has a precisely ten A.T.P. [TS]
00:31:12 ◼ ► Pixel screen one hundred twenty by ten eighty does it does the i Phone six Plus blows the movie up to the off screen [TS]
00:31:21 ◼ ► three X. Size and then shrink it back down to ten a year does it just show it directly at native Tenney. [TS]
00:31:31 ◼ ► and I was crazy because it's like you've got the you've got the contents you've got the screen there are actually pixel [TS]
00:31:47 ◼ ► and what turns out is that they do do the crazy hard thing which you're discussing about changing resolutions [TS]
00:31:54 ◼ ► or changing the native output or I don't know what that's how you want to describe it [TS]
00:32:01 ◼ ► or if you just make a view of any kind you have the power as a developer on an i Phone six plus to get exactly one to [TS]
00:32:10 ◼ ► View or a video thing or even even Actually I think you can do just that YOU I COULD BE YOU. [TS]
00:32:15 ◼ ► I think it has to be open I think and I don't look at the if it was that native scale thing was that only in G.L.K. [TS]
00:32:26 ◼ ► but it is an apple dev form see only be able to follow the link if you have a developer account [TS]
00:32:31 ◼ ► but if someone asking some a question like have got some content it's perfect for ten eighty I want to get it to be [TS]
00:32:40 ◼ ► and so Hendrik did a bunch of experiments to see before finding these guys are going to show this [TS]
00:32:52 ◼ ► and it's very difficult to tell by looking at like we said it was going to tell the naked eye whether it's scaling it [TS]
00:32:57 ◼ ► but he played like one of those test pattern images with very fine lines they have one pixel lines which is why it [TS]
00:33:02 ◼ ► works as he can say is this how it's supposed to look is that an MPEG artifact or whatever [TS]
00:33:07 ◼ ► but the easy way you can tell is he would have to show the player controls which are like you know you I get views [TS]
00:33:12 ◼ ► and when the U.I. Can views come on top of the image parts that are not covered by the by the U.I. [TS]
00:33:18 ◼ ► Could views change appearance so they get blurrier or you know that they look different and [TS]
00:33:23 ◼ ► when those things go away then it goes back to what we assume is native one to one most of the posted a video of this. [TS]
00:33:31 ◼ ► Test image or whatever but I mean that was like the hype of the usual practical proof [TS]
00:33:37 ◼ ► and then the more technical proof is in the forums thread where you can see people from Apple saying yes if you want to [TS]
00:33:47 ◼ ► As you can use so I would assume that in all cases where Apple can get that one to one like for example playing video [TS]
00:33:55 ◼ ► without any controls over they do but it's interesting that they're able to not only switch but. [TS]
00:34:01 ◼ ► and disappears like Apparently this watching all the time not just from apt to happen within a single happen [TS]
00:34:06 ◼ ► when elements of here so it seems like Apple has the various different scaling modes for different views [TS]
00:34:14 ◼ ► and alignment with the hardware down down to a science here where there they're able to switch at every opportunity to [TS]
00:34:22 ◼ ► do whatever is the most efficient and whatever is the best possible choice for the screen. [TS]
00:34:28 ◼ ► Yet hang out before there's actually cricket in my office I think that's because you can hear it as hops [TS]
00:34:40 ◼ ► and it for what it's worth I did find the article that the block O. Text came from. [TS]
00:34:45 ◼ ► Actually I think somebody linked it to me and I think I found it but anyways it's the Register dot co dot uk. [TS]
00:34:50 ◼ ► Actually I'll just put it in the chat room it was in the show notes for last episode if I had known that origin is not [TS]
00:34:57 ◼ ► All right well in the best part is the title of this article on The Register dot co dot uk is Apple i Phone six Plus [TS]
00:35:10 ◼ ► Yeah so that whoever posted that are the register people were confused by the fact that it doesn't matter screenshots [TS]
00:35:16 ◼ ► always are taken in the high resolution even when you're you know you can prove to yourself either with your own code [TS]
00:35:21 ◼ ► or with your own sample video that it really is showing a native one to one ten eighty without any scaling up [TS]
00:35:27 ◼ ► or down if you take a screenshot of that it still ends up larger like a screen shot a mechanism blows it up. [TS]
00:35:32 ◼ ► I can't find it nice so the night of the video can give give me clean at a point here the same thing that we need to [TS]
00:35:40 ◼ ► We found cases someone sent Casey a link to the video that that screen there in the text was so hard for a green arrow [TS]
00:35:50 ◼ ► for him. Dog This was the crickets. OK The problem is a no longer existing murderer. [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Why do you know what I meant it the same thing if they take in the native resolution [TS]
00:36:03 ◼ ► but say the higher the point is the file on disk is ends up higher as you want to go into arguments about what stages [TS]
00:36:17 ◼ ► I mean understand as thinking you'd be drawing where I think they're taking a native resident say what at one point to [TS]
00:36:24 ◼ ► but not say that we're discussing the memory buffers now now we have them argue about whether that well technically [TS]
00:36:30 ◼ ► it's not really as they like to see it if people ever wonder why we sometimes believe like these somewhat flippant [TS]
00:36:42 ◼ ► and questions this is why because all we do is get people being completely pedantic while I said he was trolling me so [TS]
00:36:49 ◼ ► congratulations Slater old man this show such a trainwreck I love it is your cricket your cricket then now I don't want [TS]
00:37:05 ◼ ► Well I I did my usual move of just dropping something heavy on it just leaving it there and I'll deal with it later. [TS]
00:37:19 ◼ ► What's even worse is that I what I dropped on it was a i Pad two in a one of those like bookcases that was like the [TS]
00:37:36 ◼ ► and hope you didn't need your old i Pad two case anymore because it's going to be sacrificed for another. [TS]
00:37:46 ◼ ► Yeah I hope she makes you clean the guts off of it and I have found a use for an i Pad two. [TS]
00:37:54 ◼ ► I'm not even drinking and this is the best man to do we want to actually try to come back to this if you will. [TS]
00:38:02 ◼ ► No it's so I actually I actually put the test video on my six plus to see how you know how noticeable is this you know [TS]
00:38:09 ◼ ► in the in the last episode. Almost everything I said was wrong I was. I had said both. [TS]
00:38:18 ◼ ► and there's no way Apple went to the trouble of making this work because who cares it doesn't matter. [TS]
00:38:23 ◼ ► They probably just double scale it and so it turns out they didn't go to the trouble makers where they did care [TS]
00:38:52 ◼ ► and everything kind of will the the lines the way it like alternates one pixel black one pixel white in these in these [TS]
00:39:00 ◼ ► lines. That way you can see if it gets blurred a lot it just turns gray. It's very clear like this which is obvious. [TS]
00:39:09 ◼ ► but I guess I still don't think it's worth the effort to just do it for this I think the way they did it was clearly [TS]
00:39:22 ◼ ► To have direct access to the pixels that makes a lot of sense I totally understand why that is there [TS]
00:39:27 ◼ ► and I guess I didn't think of that as as a potential reason why else this would have to exist [TS]
00:39:32 ◼ ► when I was saying this would be where the good I still maintain that while you can see the difference in the test video [TS]
00:39:39 ◼ ► and the interesting thing is as pointed out by Hendrik as I seem to confirm with experimentation if you put an opaque [TS]
00:39:47 ◼ ► I don't know they don't need to do it ever need to composite it so that like I said they're taking every opportunity to [TS]
00:40:00 ◼ ► No you don't I can still go direct to screen so I was going to write to screen with the U.I. [TS]
00:40:04 ◼ ► I mean I suppose I would want to I guess even if you had like a three X. Image either as part of your U.I. [TS]
00:40:13 ◼ ► and then put that in composite together you are not composite of the other just blended together because it's [TS]
00:40:20 ◼ ► Three source it would be displayed native you know a scaled native down version of itself. [TS]
00:40:26 ◼ ► So I think they did the best you could expect with the hardware that they had on hand [TS]
00:40:33 ◼ ► and there was another little piece of information at about this I forget if it was the same person was Hendrik [TS]
00:40:42 ◼ ► Why would you ever you know why do you want to take video and then there was a perfectly native fit for the screen [TS]
00:40:49 ◼ ► and this bit of a rave is offered for a somewhat related scenario we're not quite in there in the realm of digital [TS]
00:41:02 ◼ ► and then the question is why would you ever scale that video up to be a much higher resolution for editing purposes [TS]
00:41:13 ◼ ► or not scale back down like why would you ever wonder that what you know or scale back down not [TS]
00:41:17 ◼ ► or it to the original size is like smaller size the answer was that in this forum both open the shots [TS]
00:41:23 ◼ ► and it was that when you scale something up you're making it like blurrier and you're stretching it out [TS]
00:41:29 ◼ ► but you're essentially adding information now it's interpreted information based on the information that was there your [TS]
00:41:38 ◼ ► but by synthesizing that additional information it does actually add information to the image. [TS]
00:41:46 ◼ ► when you scale it back down if you don't go all the way back down what you get in the end is an image with more visible [TS]
00:41:52 ◼ ► detail than the one you started with because it made up the details that made up is [TS]
00:41:55 ◼ ► when interplay them so if you take it to Cambridge scallop for Canaan. Well that's. [TS]
00:42:06 ◼ ► Because you added all that information and then you shoved the new you made it you know you chunk it back down [TS]
00:42:12 ◼ ► and that was the argument anyway I don't want to be my film adding that the argument in this in this film editing form [TS]
00:42:18 ◼ ► but that's that's an interesting point I don't think it applies to you eyes which are not photographic images [TS]
00:42:23 ◼ ► I can understand how you might say well fake information made up by you know by Kubrick interpellation is better than [TS]
00:42:31 ◼ ► not have any information at all because it will leave you with a more detailed image. [TS]
00:42:35 ◼ ► Our second sponsor this week is I think they're new to our show. But anyway there are new to us. [TS]
00:42:41 ◼ ► It's a studio neat so you probably heard of studio need or at least one of their products. [TS]
00:42:47 ◼ ► They've made a couple of things that I really enjoyed So they started out with the glyph. G L I F. [TS]
00:42:53 ◼ ► They started out as a Kickstarter project I believe that was Kickstarter first I believe that's right. [TS]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and because sort of first anyway started I started out with the glyph which is a tripod mount [TS]
00:43:05 ◼ ► and a stand for i Phones And what's interesting too is that they made this adjustable at this at the outset [TS]
00:43:12 ◼ ► and so because adjustable it already works with the new i Phones including the six plus with [TS]
00:43:20 ◼ ► You know there's a lot of i Phone accessories out there that many of which become effectively worthless [TS]
00:43:26 ◼ ► and unusable once the size of the i Phone changes and they've they've by by foresight [TS]
00:43:50 ◼ ► and cocktail related products so this is Katie's wheel house here not the parking lot right you drink in the parking [TS]
00:43:56 ◼ ► lot. It does happen before a football game but you would. No about that either. I'm from Ohio I know about that. [TS]
00:44:02 ◼ ► So anyway they need a studio he has moved onto cocktails with the neat ice kit and Katie both you [TS]
00:44:09 ◼ ► and I have neat ice kits so Tom and then the guys a studio there on a mission to convince you that making art [TS]
00:44:23 ◼ ► and you already have access to everything a fancy cocktail bar does except for clear and correctly sized ice. [TS]
00:44:32 ◼ ► and then made the neat ice kit the need I think it is a set of tools for creating the right eyes for your at home [TS]
00:44:48 ◼ ► and within that you place this she was that silicone mold and you fill the small with just tap water [TS]
00:45:00 ◼ ► and you put that sort on mold in the foam insulation you put all of it into the freezer [TS]
00:45:09 ◼ ► and then a day later what happens is you have this I think it's about two inches wide by two inches long by four inches [TS]
00:45:16 ◼ ► deep rectangle not a cube were meant for they were tender their solid you know that. Thank you. [TS]
00:45:23 ◼ ► So anyway so you have this basically treaty rectangle and you half of it is really cloudy [TS]
00:45:32 ◼ ► and the reason that happens from what I understand is as the foam insulation keeps the bottom [TS]
00:45:38 ◼ ► and sides insulated the top is exposed to the freezer air in so it freezes from top down and so all the impurities [TS]
00:45:49 ◼ ► and you can break this rectangular prism whatever Marco just called it in half of it. [TS]
00:45:54 ◼ ► Thank you solid and and then you have now a two by two by two perfectly. A clear block of ice. [TS]
00:46:06 ◼ ► It is by most arguments a complete waste of time and every time I have a drink This is exactly what I do [TS]
00:46:27 ◼ ► So if for some reason someone comes over unexpectedly or maybe I've just had a very bad day [TS]
00:46:32 ◼ ► and I have plenty of crystal clear big ass ice cubes as they call them in order to put my vodka on top of [TS]
00:46:40 ◼ ► and I cannot recommend it if it really is fantastic I did a review of it on my website which we may [TS]
00:46:47 ◼ ► or may not remember to put in the show notes but by ten of them because they're awesome. [TS]
00:46:52 ◼ ► I actually ordered one for myself before they sponsored the show just as I thought was interesting and I've. [TS]
00:46:58 ◼ ► They didn't say this but I try to few of the other solutions out there to try to make like fancy I said home [TS]
00:47:10 ◼ ► So anyway each need I scan includes the mold the chisel which is also into the bottle opener right [TS]
00:47:22 ◼ ► but apparently Louis bag is a bag you crushed ice it like you put the ice in the bag you hit the bag with your club [TS]
00:47:30 ◼ ► Yeah that's the idea so if you had a situation where you have a cocktail that requires a thin but tall glass [TS]
00:47:37 ◼ ► and I forget which ones they are off on my head but you could take your big ass crystal clear ice cube [TS]
00:47:45 ◼ ► Throw that ice into the Lewis bag use that model or like Marco was talking about bang bang bang [TS]
00:47:49 ◼ ► and crush all that ice and Louis bag and now you've got crystal clear crushed ice instead of a cube right. [TS]
00:47:55 ◼ ► Or you can even you can you can crush up the cloudy half of the cube that you have out there. [TS]
00:48:04 ◼ ► but the cloudiness he was happy to have ice in his bold regardless of whether it was clear or not [TS]
00:48:15 ◼ ► I actually ordered one for myself and they also sent me one like two weeks later just because they like me [TS]
00:48:22 ◼ ► and so I gave the second one away I read gifted actually but I gave it away to make a great gift. [TS]
00:48:39 ◼ ► Can't recommend them in a studio neat dot com Don't forget coated C.P. Thank you very much. [TS]
00:48:48 ◼ ► They're awesome like it did even better that they're such nice guys. Well yeah I would still go on and on. [TS]
00:48:56 ◼ ► Yeah I would go on and on about the need I could even if they were jerks because it's that wonderful [TS]
00:49:02 ◼ ► Yeah I'm a big fan of their cars or not it's a stylus for i Pads I've got that one. [TS]
00:49:13 ◼ ► and none of them really work for me as well as the cars are not that I even have the fancy one from paper pencil [TS]
00:49:26 ◼ ► but the cars are not it is awesome that it's like it's like a dry erase marker basically. [TS]
00:49:35 ◼ ► and chunky like that is because that's roughly the precision you have with any of these things [TS]
00:49:40 ◼ ► and so they made it kind of fit that it made the form of it fit the perception that you actually get [TS]
00:50:01 ◼ ► And it really started with a topic stream that the mark of the movies he derails the to be forgotten [TS]
00:50:13 ◼ ► Exactly and then to the bingo bore people. It works otherwise we all follow it every week. Nobody wants that. [TS]
00:50:19 ◼ ► No we would get to be the same total amount of time with that part of the beginning [TS]
00:50:25 ◼ ► Anyway last night talked about the Consumer Reports test and and I mentioned bunch of stuff that I didn't see [TS]
00:50:34 ◼ ► or I sort of early version of the report it may be a real blog of the report that didn't quite correctly copy [TS]
00:50:38 ◼ ► and paste the content part of your findings from Twitter on your i was device doesn't show the full euro anyway [TS]
00:50:45 ◼ ► but a way because the reports did test not just how much force does it take to break these things [TS]
00:50:50 ◼ ► but also how much force can be applied before what they call defamation which is what I was saying [TS]
00:50:59 ◼ ► And so you can see we'll put the link in the show it's again those concerned words as you can see they they just of [TS]
00:51:17 ◼ ► and he says I made the mistake of looking at my i Phone six from the side bending from carrying it in my not at all [TS]
00:51:30 ◼ ► Point is right at the bottom of the lower volume button went to the Apple store yesterday Chicago's Lincoln Lincoln [TS]
00:51:35 ◼ ► Park which is usually super awesome in accommodating and here's where it's interesting. [TS]
00:51:39 ◼ ► The genius proceeded to tell me that based on an article in scare quotes they had received as of October third that the [TS]
00:51:51 ◼ ► or blunt force in the scratches on my case which were because of keys in my pocket by accident [TS]
00:51:57 ◼ ► and was an indication that my phone had been mistreated. And they wouldn't cover the bend and warranty. [TS]
00:52:02 ◼ ► Thus I would have to pay them three hundred dollars on top of the nine hundred dollars that he already shelled out [TS]
00:52:07 ◼ ► because he says he bought a T. Mobile hundred twenty eight gig non-contract phone so that's a change. [TS]
00:52:15 ◼ ► And it seemed at first that Apple was pretty happy to do a warranty return or exchange on these [TS]
00:52:23 ◼ ► I didn't see him though as a Marco said he thought that he thought that if you brought it to an Apple store [TS]
00:52:31 ◼ ► or playful because because we had heard reports from people who did that yeah they will get one from someone who said I [TS]
00:52:44 ◼ ► They were saying people people who ride the Genius Bar and they're like oh yeah you know that shouldn't happen. [TS]
00:52:49 ◼ ► Here's a new one. And now we've heard not just from Jared But we've heard from a number of people I've seen. [TS]
00:52:58 ◼ ► and I got a couple of tweets to this point as well that it sounds like in the last few days Apple has changed their [TS]
00:53:06 ◼ ► and has issued some kind of directive from above saying they're no longer going to replace phones are being bent. [TS]
00:53:13 ◼ ► and I don't know I mean I think we don't know enough about this problem yet to know whether it's actually a real problem [TS]
00:53:19 ◼ ► It was sounding at first like it was going to be a big problem and then the Consumer Reports thank you [TS]
00:53:28 ◼ ► but you know we're not going to know for like six months like in six months if half of it half the people you know who [TS]
00:53:36 ◼ ► and these people aren't like totally abusive then I think one of the others actually was a bit of a problem. [TS]
00:53:42 ◼ ► Well the third course doesn't give us the information because they test they show a range [TS]
00:53:50 ◼ ► and I test as well because we can compare it to is the most recent Apple phone that we may be familiar with the i Phone [TS]
00:54:04 ◼ ► but it wasn't yet so there was same as if you see one you haven't heard lots of stories about they want to make getting [TS]
00:54:15 ◼ ► Well if you see one with a we can attest the six was the second we has the six plus was the third weakest [TS]
00:54:22 ◼ ► and the range is not astronomically hazily I well I was was the i Phone five was considerably stronger. [TS]
00:54:30 ◼ ► It didn't get to form until hundred thirty pounds of pressure versus the six which performs at seventy [TS]
00:54:35 ◼ ► and six plus which to forms ninety so this is a range from seventy two hundred fifty pounds of pressure for the [TS]
00:54:41 ◼ ► defamation from best to worst right and to the i Phone six plus is just shy of the middle it's on the low end [TS]
00:54:52 ◼ ► That's why I got into I thought about last show which is all right so this these test tells whether to format [TS]
00:54:57 ◼ ► but we don't know what the expected range of pressures that a phone in your pocket get subjected to are both based on [TS]
00:55:10 ◼ ► If it turns out that the pressures in a person's pocket generally peak around one hundred pounds of pressure that means [TS]
00:55:24 ◼ ► and so it could just be this is a threshold like in general you know the worst you're going to feel in a pocket is a [TS]
00:55:30 ◼ ► hundred pounds of pressures as long as your phone clears a hundred pounds you're finally we don't know where that [TS]
00:55:33 ◼ ► dividing line is what is the expectation of pressure and so the second email from Chris M. [TS]
00:55:47 ◼ ► or a flight so there was no tightness in my pocket nor was it pressing against anything [TS]
00:55:52 ◼ ► and cetera not a mark on it took it to the Genius Bar the genius person agreed that it had not been mistreated to look [TS]
00:56:00 ◼ ► I couldn't replace it under warranty because of the aforementioned order from above that they're not doing that anymore. [TS]
00:56:08 ◼ ► and never felt any tightness like you think I'm bending themselves not your regular bending your phone like they're [TS]
00:56:13 ◼ ► bending because pressure is being applied to them it could be that the pressure is applied in such a way that is [TS]
00:56:20 ◼ ► but somewhere somehow there's only seventy pounds of pressure being applied to the center of that. [TS]
00:56:25 ◼ ► That's like best case to do be harder to bend it if you play it's only pounds of pressure to someplace other than [TS]
00:56:29 ◼ ► directly in the middle using the edges of the falcon like using a three point press holding the very edges putting the [TS]
00:56:33 ◼ ► pressure at that the worst case scenario right. You had to apply more pressure if you were playing it. [TS]
00:56:42 ◼ ► and the edge of the thing was shorter so somehow pressure is being applied to these phones the thing we're missing now [TS]
00:56:53 ◼ ► and if you if you're going to build something to stand those pressures is is this bone just under warranty [TS]
00:57:00 ◼ ► and that I guess we'll find out like Margo said Experimentally I just like all your friends to be different their [TS]
00:57:08 ◼ ► And you know when a new i Phone comes out when has any kind of like potential physical [TS]
00:57:13 ◼ ► or design flaw you don't really know until a few months in like how bad is it like the i Phone five came out [TS]
00:57:21 ◼ ► and should lighter color metal underneath you know that it took a lot of figure out that was going to be a thing right. [TS]
00:57:36 ◼ ► and you know you don't really know if not every i Phone is perfect some a better than others I think with this one I [TS]
00:57:46 ◼ ► Key separation I don't really care about because I don't think like I think the defamation is is the more important [TS]
00:57:52 ◼ ► column the one that people actually more likely to hit and get upset by regular use. [TS]
00:57:58 ◼ ► What's interesting two things first of all. All that by the by their measurements. [TS]
00:58:02 ◼ ► The six plus is actually stronger than the six which I think is the opposite of what you probably expect. [TS]
00:58:18 ◼ ► and so that's a pretty big difference to to only be able to withstand roughly half the force that's that's [TS]
00:58:28 ◼ ► and you're right it doesn't you know we don't know how this will hold up in practice but that does look like a problem. [TS]
00:58:39 ◼ ► Why is it seven hundred ninety one hundred thirty like is there I don't know if they're just kind of saying this [TS]
00:58:47 ◼ ► and we do my show the exact numbers because that would that would that would show a degree of certainty that doesn't [TS]
00:58:57 ◼ ► These devices are not uniform solids like they vary on the inside they have different materials at different points [TS]
00:59:03 ◼ ► and there's the weak points of the volume buttons below strengthening strips in the printed circuit board on one side [TS]
00:59:08 ◼ ► and a battery on the other so there's all sorts of variables going on here so it's not a straight forward test. [TS]
00:59:13 ◼ ► So that's what really matters is the the environment you know the environment these phones are subjected to. [TS]
00:59:21 ◼ ► One up there showing similar you know being the weakest in the test and being a phone has been out for a while [TS]
00:59:29 ◼ ► Makes you think it can't be that terrible because it is going to give people who are going to baby their phones it's [TS]
00:59:35 ◼ ► not going to be a she see one owners you know like the Apple ones of the people are going to care about the little [TS]
00:59:42 ◼ ► I know the device is a really nice an appeal to people who like nice things I think the agency makes really good [TS]
00:59:46 ◼ ► looking phones but if I had to take entire groups i Phone owners versus eighty one hours [TS]
01:00:01 ◼ ► and so if we haven't heard any major easy ones then yes is it because they haven't sold any of them it's because you [TS]
01:00:06 ◼ ► don't get any excitement from telling people they see want to spend I think literacy in a story anyway. [TS]
01:00:11 ◼ ► If it was it was a big deal this is a bit like oh wait you see they can't catch a break to make these great phones are [TS]
01:00:18 ◼ ► Honestly I don't think that's I think the the things that you just kind of disregarded are pretty big things like yeah [TS]
01:00:27 ◼ ► no one's buying each to see phones in general which is part of the problem ecstasy is having with their business [TS]
01:00:31 ◼ ► and you never hear about like minor physical flaws are minor design flaws of Android phones. [TS]
01:00:39 ◼ ► It doesn't happen they're not nearly as high profile there is not nearly as much money [TS]
01:00:43 ◼ ► and attention to be had by pointing out flaws in them. It just doesn't happen like that is not a fair comparison. [TS]
01:00:49 ◼ ► I still think I still think it will get reported though I mean the agency one got reviewed everywhere I've seen them in [TS]
01:00:54 ◼ ► practice same people have them like it's not there they're not so rare that you're like I've still never seen anyone [TS]
01:01:02 ◼ ► and they got reviewed all the main reasons why were they reviewed if no one buys agency. [TS]
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01:05:33 ◼ ► or I know I do I do want to mention one more thing about the i Phone six physical design and grip. [TS]
01:05:38 ◼ ► So first of all I use my five S. Briefly today to set up a live stream or and yet if I like first of the five S. [TS]
01:05:44 ◼ ► A such a better looking phone like I look at the back a look at the back of the menace think this like the five S. [TS]
01:05:54 ◼ ► but I don't like how the looks on the back. I can I can see they are going for the six looking worse on the back. [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► But I just do not like the bag-O. Does look so boring to me. The five I'll give you the five S. [TS]
01:06:04 ◼ ► I disagree with that because the five is the way they changed they changed the tone of the of the dark color. [TS]
01:06:09 ◼ ► but I like it like all the things that look good about the five in five us back look good in Apple's close up shots [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► and met with macro photography it's just a mad metal bath tub with you know chamfered edges that are probably nicked. [TS]
01:06:26 ◼ ► No what I did with it the two tone back with it the glass with an arrow and the edges I think it looks so much better. [TS]
01:06:31 ◼ ► Anyway so first of all yes impression about who it is. Oh my God this thing is tiny. [TS]
01:06:37 ◼ ► Secondly Oh my God I can reach everything this is glorious because still it's still having trouble reaching everything [TS]
01:06:52 ◼ ► and I have never had a case on my phone before I carried phones I carried Palm Pilots. [TS]
01:06:58 ◼ ► I never had a case on those I have never had a case on any electronic device I've ever carried around as far as I can [TS]
01:07:04 ◼ ► but as far as I can remember of never have the clothes that came with this letter like a letter cling stick on thing on [TS]
01:07:12 ◼ ► the back glass panel of my foreign for us which is awesome and actually I ordered new ones to try on the big phone [TS]
01:07:21 ◼ ► and that was to cite that she has use cases before although never on phones but I have I have never used one. [TS]
01:07:29 ◼ ► As far as I can remember so it's what did you get Case wise kids got the apple leather case. [TS]
01:07:41 ◼ ► So why are you getting the case though why why have you decided this is the one you need a case or it's because [TS]
01:07:51 ◼ ► and I know that was you know everyone says the new phones feel slippery when new phones come out. [TS]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Which actually gets pretty well people said it felt so pretty because it did compared to the three G.S. [TS]
01:08:04 ◼ ► Like you know eight people who showed up at this time like I've now been using the phone for what two [TS]
01:08:08 ◼ ► and a half weeks over long it's been and it still feels very precarious I have almost dropped it many times [TS]
01:08:14 ◼ ► and I have never as far as I can remember I've never dropped and i Phone or any other trying to vice. [TS]
01:08:23 ◼ ► Now the material I think it's a combination of all I think it's a combination of the rounded edges the thinness [TS]
01:08:28 ◼ ► and the back. But you think you can do the top S. Right now do tell test with the five S. [TS]
01:08:34 ◼ ► and Six to see what I will do I have to tell my hand before I start sliding off because everyone I've known who has [TS]
01:08:46 ◼ ► but the rounded edges in attendance do make it feel slippery like that you know like a like a little while you don't [TS]
01:08:51 ◼ ► have that the sharp edges that you feel like you're going to hold on to I guess try to do the tilt test [TS]
01:08:58 ◼ ► but I can get almost ninety degrees that's not really the most because my hands are slightly moist because I'm warm [TS]
01:09:10 ◼ ► but the rounded edges nothing is nothing to make it feel like that maybe this one is getting finally has cross your [TS]
01:09:15 ◼ ► or threshold where you're like OK now this is this is clearly not the device this is clearly the thing the core of the [TS]
01:09:21 ◼ ► device that I will slot into something that I'm going to hold. Well it's a combination of factors. [TS]
01:09:30 ◼ ► and possibly be more precarious to hold are the combination of the side design like the sides themselves don't dig into [TS]
01:09:39 ◼ ► your hands at all and they don't grip your hand like the side of the five with with the with the squared side [TS]
01:09:44 ◼ ► and like the sharp edges that does can nicely rip your hand. There's like a big service there for friction. [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► That you have I have to so often change my grip on the phone in use to be able to reach something [TS]
01:10:13 ◼ ► when you're holding it one handed you're walking around you're holding and doing something [TS]
01:10:23 ◼ ► and then it is much more precarious in your head at that point because you have lost your supporting supporting pinky [TS]
01:10:29 ◼ ► or bearing Pinky the bottom or you've just used the whole time which God knows how that works [TS]
01:10:33 ◼ ► and you know I happily reach up and and like you know you have a lot less support in that time [TS]
01:10:42 ◼ ► and you are literally excluding the phone down your hand so that you are intentionally loosening your grip on it to [TS]
01:10:50 ◼ ► change where you're holding it and so what I'm looking for and like I so I have I still have a case on my phone. [TS]
01:10:58 ◼ ► But I picked up tips a couple times in the last couple days to check something on it and it feels glorious. [TS]
01:11:13 ◼ ► and it does make the edge swipe gestures a little slick slightly annoying to do because you feel like kind of the [TS]
01:11:23 ◼ ► when I'm not using the case on the phone on my phone there's a different problem which is that you have to like make [TS]
01:11:30 ◼ ► sure that you're that you're not actually touching the screen with any part of your grip because the screen is so close [TS]
01:11:36 ◼ ► and they are so nicely rounded that it's very easy to accidentally touch the edge of the screen especially if you're [TS]
01:11:44 ◼ ► If you're really reaching across with your thumb to one of the upper corners then like the pad of your handle your [TS]
01:11:49 ◼ ► thumb it's very easy to actually screen with that and so this there's all these all these problems like [TS]
01:11:54 ◼ ► and I thought the other day that the big advisor my phone was broken around the edges. [TS]
01:12:02 ◼ ► and I I frequently have problems bring up the lock screen camera the which is an edge drag [TS]
01:12:12 ◼ ► Even on their five Ss after I was eight so it appears to be a software bug of like the automatic finger rejection [TS]
01:12:22 ◼ ► I don't know if they were if they always have but it's at least doing it and I was eight. [TS]
01:12:31 ◼ ► and it seems like it calibrates based on whenever you unlock the phone like if you if you lock it [TS]
01:12:42 ◼ ► but like if you have a case on it you are far less likely to actually be touching the edge so it will also improve the [TS]
01:12:53 ◼ ► So there's I feel like this is the first phone where the the stock design of it is just not that compatible with me [TS]
01:13:21 ◼ ► I think we're going to look back on this design in the future once we have a different design [TS]
01:13:26 ◼ ► and once we've had you know the benefits of hindsight in time I think we're going to look back on this. [TS]
01:13:36 ◼ ► but that it's not up to up to the usual standards of what we've come to expect from my phone decides. [TS]
01:13:42 ◼ ► Do you think the curved glass the fact that these so I assume most of the case I didn't look closely at the one [TS]
01:13:48 ◼ ► when I was handling it but the glass there is part of the glass in the front of the i Phone six that is not the screen. [TS]
01:13:54 ◼ ► That's right because the curve part of the screen image is not displayed on the entire car parked at a certain point [TS]
01:13:58 ◼ ► the screen stops. The glass keeps going so it doesn't make it clear like to your finger or any part of you. [TS]
01:14:05 ◼ ► I'm touching glass now but is this part of the blasted untouched and part of the screen image [TS]
01:14:12 ◼ ► and that I think would could lead to some confusion both about Ed touch edged touches and touch rejection [TS]
01:14:19 ◼ ► and just like feeling in your hand what it is that you're doing whereas before I think I don't I don't have my i Pod [TS]
01:14:27 ◼ ► with me I think the screen image went up or something and you could feel it even when you have an eye with a vice [TS]
01:14:37 ◼ ► GRAEME INNES go to the edge of the CAN YOU FEEL where that lights stop or no no no and I cannot finance either. [TS]
01:14:46 ◼ ► Like on a fine that you never had any reason for any part of your finger hand to be resting on the front face of the [TS]
01:14:50 ◼ ► phone that was not going to the screen whereas because of the curved edge you're kind of always partially on it you can [TS]
01:14:56 ◼ ► feel the edge now that that would be your dividing point point for like feeling in your hand. [TS]
01:15:01 ◼ ► Am I touching the screen or not is that corner is there like well it's around the corner. [TS]
01:15:05 ◼ ► Even though it's not taken to a screen right there you keep your hands out for the curve can can sort of lead you into [TS]
01:15:11 ◼ ► I've had cases on all my i Pod Touch as always I used to always use silicone cases because they were the most grippy [TS]
01:15:17 ◼ ► and that's what I wanted and that I eventually gave up and I couldn't find a good one for my current gen i Pod touch [TS]
01:15:28 ◼ ► but I'll probably going to try there's a local case of get one of these because I like it to be super grippy for all [TS]
01:15:34 ◼ ► but I've just always felt that way I've always felt that all the i Pod touch is very two things for me to use without a [TS]
01:15:39 ◼ ► case. So I'd like to go back a minute and explore what happened in your head when you picked up that five S. and I. [TS]
01:15:52 ◼ ► and I use her phone probably once every day once every couple days because you know it's the nearest one you know I [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► And every time I pick up parents phone the first thought I have which is what you said Marco is holy crap. [TS]
01:16:11 ◼ ► I think I actually prefer from in or from a feel point of view I prefer having the flat sides. [TS]
01:16:18 ◼ ► Certainly I can reach everything which is marvelous because I never realized how much I use my i Phone with only one [TS]
01:16:34 ◼ ► when I was expecting what they came to there what came to be the six I don't think I really was yearning for more [TS]
01:16:42 ◼ ► screen real estate and now that I have it which is exactly what everyone said would happen. [TS]
01:16:51 ◼ ► and so I was curious Marco Do you also get that feeling of oh my gosh this is so cramped when you're using the phone. [TS]
01:16:57 ◼ ► I I mean I haven't used it that much I just I picked it up and you know play with a few things for a minute here [TS]
01:17:17 ◼ ► but because of those two factors I can actually use it much faster. Like whatever I'm trying to do on the five S. [TS]
01:17:23 ◼ ► I can do it faster than I can do it on the set and this is even after now being pretty used to the six [TS]
01:17:33 ◼ ► and I wanted more screens that I was I was on the side of people that said please give us bigger screens. [TS]
01:17:40 ◼ ► I think Louis Mansi he tweeted I think it was him he tweeted like I don't know a week ago something all along the lines [TS]
01:17:47 ◼ ► of they should have done two different sizes like like I think he said like four point five and five Point Oh [TS]
01:17:55 ◼ ► and I don't know what the big one you know people who have the big phone like it so maybe five point five. [TS]
01:18:00 ◼ ► but I think four point five rather than four point seven might have been the better size for the sex. [TS]
01:18:08 ◼ ► I think that would have made it you know a little closer to to the four inch thing that was so easy to feel [TS]
01:18:13 ◼ ► and reach everything for so many people you know obviously point two inches not a big difference [TS]
01:18:20 ◼ ► I don't I don't think we even really know yet the full value of having more screen space on the phones because so much [TS]
01:18:26 ◼ ► software can take advantage of it yet. So all this might change in a year when more apps are updated you know. [TS]
01:18:31 ◼ ► But for now I think it's kind of like the like you know buying the contrasts you T.V. [TS]
01:18:37 ◼ ► In the store when I look at the six and I look at the screen I would much rather like it's more appealing to me but [TS]
01:18:43 ◼ ► when I actually try to use the phone the five S. I think is more usable for me. Yeah I would agree with that. [TS]
01:18:59 ◼ ► and let's suppose in some hypothetical world I can have the six internals in a five S case. [TS]
01:19:12 ◼ ► but it's a tough call what I'm really curious to see and I'd be curious to hear what you guys think. [TS]
01:19:16 ◼ ► Do you think that next year Apple will make a i Phone six S. In a four inch form factor. [TS]
01:19:30 ◼ ► I think they got a look at the sales numbers though like they don't have to make a decision right away. [TS]
01:19:36 ◼ ► Probably have enough sales information like they know you know how well did the forest sell [TS]
01:19:48 ◼ ► Are selling a way out of proportion to the numbers we would expect for like last year's phone. [TS]
01:19:52 ◼ ► They're like OK this shows there is an appetite for the smaller model that like that is disproportionate to like this. [TS]
01:20:05 ◼ ► and whatever showing is that people who had five rather than upgrade to six is chose to get last year's model [TS]
01:20:15 ◼ ► but in the absence of those numbers of it just looks like I was the same as every year a couple deal by last year's [TS]
01:20:23 ◼ ► It seems like if they wanted one in that size with you know if they wanted to keep one in that category they would have [TS]
01:20:31 ◼ ► maybe done something to besides leaving the five S. and Five things like live there I don't like. [TS]
01:20:36 ◼ ► If they come out with three different size phones will we have all freaked out two phones three phones [TS]
01:20:42 ◼ ► or less just like they have the manufacturing lines up for those other ones that is going to keep making them [TS]
01:20:45 ◼ ► but once those age out and got a long battle because they saw in the forest somewhere in the world maybe. [TS]
01:20:57 ◼ ► So like if if their sales patterns match every every other sales pattern that they've done with a bump the size they [TS]
01:21:07 ◼ ► and do not match that phenomenon where they're going to say oh now we have to backfill that with a different phone. [TS]
01:21:15 ◼ ► I think it will depend like right now for this next year at least or at least right now you can get a five S. [TS]
01:21:23 ◼ ► Thirty two gig for one fifty on contract and that's a pretty good deal and it's a pretty good phone [TS]
01:21:28 ◼ ► and in many respects it's very close to the six you know the going from the five S. [TS]
01:21:40 ◼ ► In other respects it's a fairly small difference except unfortunately the camera is noticeably better. [TS]
01:21:46 ◼ ► I would also I would also add that the battery life. Even a couple weeks in M I six. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Better on my sex than I was which is rated higher than it like apples numbers put it higher right. [TS]
01:22:08 ◼ ► or two over any you know I was there before like the numbers when you look at them on Apple spec sheet. [TS]
01:22:16 ◼ ► but Slightly higher like those hours they're showing even if it's one hire one extra hour feels like an eternity like [TS]
01:22:25 ◼ ► So yeah like I said the new battery stuff last time a lot of people can bring the plane about that was to remind people [TS]
01:22:32 ◼ ► that it's the data that advantage is going to be massively exaggerated with your one or two year old phone [TS]
01:22:36 ◼ ► but I'm pretty sure Apple actually in the specs shows it as being yes the six gets better battery life a virus if you [TS]
01:22:42 ◼ ► have They're both brand new out of the box. I think if enough people either buy the five S. [TS]
01:22:47 ◼ ► In the next year like Moore's more than however many people usually buy the year old phone and if enough [TS]
01:22:54 ◼ ► and you know say next year I wouldn't expect them to bring out a new four inch shown next year [TS]
01:23:00 ◼ ► or next year's cycle all likelihood they'll be like you know the success and the success plus whatever [TS]
01:23:05 ◼ ► but the year after that when it's time for a likely redesign for it onto your redesign cycle. [TS]
01:23:12 ◼ ► I wouldn't surprise me if they if they had a smaller phone as part of that next three years [TS]
01:23:17 ◼ ► and so I'm thinking for small Phone fans it's going to be a rough next two years or the next two years [TS]
01:23:22 ◼ ► but then there might be something because the thing is like with this it's a screen size like there is not there's not [TS]
01:23:30 ◼ ► a lot of ways they could have better executed the physical design of this phone that would've made the screen not be [TS]
01:23:41 ◼ ► Like I think the phones debate because there's already like they couldn't really make the phone that much smaller than [TS]
01:23:48 ◼ ► what it is right now and still have the size screen so I think the six is too big for you. [TS]
01:23:54 ◼ ► Any phone with a four point seven inch screen in the future is likely to be too big for you. I don't think they can. [TS]
01:24:06 ◼ ► and people will just deal with it because they want the other advantage of the phone [TS]
01:24:11 ◼ ► or those people will start choosing not Apple phones which I'm sure Apple does not want. [TS]
01:24:18 ◼ ► So if Apple on either the success or the seven they bring back the four inch form factor. [TS]
01:24:30 ◼ ► and they say call give it some cool name like i Phone Air i Phone many i Phone then they don't have to spend it because [TS]
01:24:35 ◼ ► if they time it right all they'll be doing is making sure that they continue to have a phone of that size now lined up [TS]
01:24:41 ◼ ► because they have phones as I was now lined up now the five C. or The actually go away for the five S. The five S. [TS]
01:24:53 ◼ ► We're good thanks what two or three sponsored this week Hava studio neat and square space [TS]
01:24:59 ◼ ► and we will see you next week if it's even possible you're saying however even more indirectly even though I think I [TS]
01:25:05 ◼ ► don't like like you're saying you're forcing the you even more than you were before. [TS]
01:25:10 ◼ ► So I call going to be there so no I can't do it just because it's incorrect. That's why you can't do it. [TS]
01:26:01 ◼ ► There are little more in the screen thing since now we have more time to run the action and that out of work. [TS]
01:26:25 ◼ ► So again as I said earlier I want to bigger screen before we had bigger screen I really want this I was hoping to get [TS]
01:26:33 ◼ ► However I kind of question the value of of relatively small screen size improvement [TS]
01:26:39 ◼ ► or screen size increases under vices that you almost you almost always hold important [TS]
01:26:49 ◼ ► but you get so little horizontal space with each game like the horizontal size differences very small between these [TS]
01:26:58 ◼ ► three models and I would argue that actually matters a lot more for a lot of things things like reading and [TS]
01:27:07 ◼ ► You know any kind of you know email kind of stuff you know with matter so much for all these apps. [TS]
01:27:12 ◼ ► It is so often the limiting factor in how usable something is web pages stuff like that that here on that square [TS]
01:27:22 ◼ ► I can honestly I can see why some crazy person there thought that was a good idea I like it because you really like [TS]
01:27:29 ◼ ► you're making you're making the phone so much bigger in ways that only really get you a little bit of verticals space. [TS]
01:27:37 ◼ ► Well you know like you said you are the apps they get updated they have to have the apps [TS]
01:27:41 ◼ ► and like with a few pixels does matter like suddenly layouts that were not feasible for become feasible due to the [TS]
01:27:46 ◼ ► average length the average size of you know post titles Avatar images are really like it like you just need the [TS]
01:27:52 ◼ ► software to be out there be that all you're doing is stretching existing i Phone You are like is on the scene that [TS]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Value out of those extra pixels but I think there are enough extra pixels that a U.I. [TS]
01:28:09 ◼ ► when you buy making the screen bigger You also had to abandon certain areas of the screen that are no longer easily [TS]
01:28:19 ◼ ► and save us for this labor because like most of the larger sizes not so you know it hurts you in terms of control [TS]
01:28:24 ◼ ► but it helps you in terms of how much information you put on the screen like the type of thing where if you're so used [TS]
01:28:29 ◼ ► to using an app on the i Pad and you go use the i Phone version you're missing half the U.I. [TS]
01:28:38 ◼ ► and just feels like you're looking at the app through like an overlay with a cutout [TS]
01:28:42 ◼ ► and you can only see the table view you can see the sidebar apps that are updated specially for the six plus [TS]
01:28:48 ◼ ► but maybe also for the six it may take longer to do that for the six to say like OK we're in a world where I can assume [TS]
01:28:55 ◼ ► that you're going to have it actually pixel well but I think that will make a difference [TS]
01:28:58 ◼ ► and even of just simple things like you can read more text on a web page at the flick you know that type of thing. [TS]
01:29:04 ◼ ► See but the thing is it's most obvious to me that the vertical real estate is a big deal. [TS]
01:29:10 ◼ ► When I go to the messages app on Aaron's phone and yes some of that is horizontal. [TS]
01:29:16 ◼ ► But I feel like a lot of the difference is I can see so much more context on my phone as to the last several messages [TS]
01:29:25 ◼ ► or in my case the last several gifts that I can't see on Aaron's phone because the screen is vertically a lot shorter [TS]
01:29:32 ◼ ► as well I think the biggest benefit of larger screen is for you know for people who have trouble seeing things on it's [TS]
01:29:40 ◼ ► or just using a regular mobile cranking up the tech size both of those things the fact is you have really talked about [TS]
01:29:45 ◼ ► much exists on both the sexes expose shows like not only we're going to give you a bigger thing [TS]
01:30:04 ◼ ► Anything else for the after show are we going to wrap this somewhat early game cube controllers. [TS]
01:30:13 ◼ ► Now you can have you can have your your minutes in the sun here. How can I even know what this is about. [TS]
01:30:23 ◼ ► and I know I know you're really excited about game controllers for some reason you to say I should say this [TS]
01:30:30 ◼ ► when I go on gaming podcasts and they can talk about my controller stuff. OK I mean no I'd love to hear it. [TS]
01:30:36 ◼ ► So what happened. It looks like they're like they're now for sale again. No there's no hona I don't I guess. [TS]
01:30:45 ◼ ► Oh I see what this is. I understand why you guys of all this stuff. Yes it is a global level and gives us an adapter. [TS]
01:30:50 ◼ ► Let's use a game two controllers like Smash Bros is coming out of the fighting game for its alpha three D.S. [TS]
01:30:59 ◼ ► and for a while we've known that they're going to sell an adapter that lets you use your Game Cube controller with your [TS]
01:31:06 ◼ ► and they're selling a special Smash Brothers branded one with a little logo on it specifically for this purpose so that [TS]
01:31:11 ◼ ► and then they're going to reissue the game you controls for the logo on it saying We know you love playing smash those [TS]
01:31:17 ◼ ► are the games you control in your game cube Here you go you'll be able to keep doing that on the way you are [TS]
01:31:22 ◼ ► and that's kind of like kind of like if we decide about the i Phone being replaced and I go OK with a small [TS]
01:31:32 ◼ ► And what they did instead was brought back the exactly the five S. and Like give you a way to use your five S. [TS]
01:31:39 ◼ ► when I was ten. Right all right with I was nine or whatever the two at that point it would be like. [TS]
01:31:47 ◼ ► Aren't you going to get a new small phone last year that you'd like to control it so much. [TS]
01:31:51 ◼ ► We've given up on ever making a better control so we're going to bring back a little bit we're going to sell you a [TS]
01:31:55 ◼ ► twenty dollars bill to use your old controller from whatever year that was two thousand. [TS]
01:32:04 ◼ ► Just bring him back we're going to keep we'll keep making them we never really stop making numbers we making them again [TS]
01:32:09 ◼ ► and I think it's OK I'm happy because the news is news now is that not only will you be able to use this game to [TS]
01:32:18 ◼ ► but Apple Apple intent was officially announced that you will be able to use this Game Cube controller data of any game [TS]
01:32:26 ◼ ► and the way you broken trawler which is based like you have a virtual console game [TS]
01:32:30 ◼ ► or some other game like this adapter isn't just the you know the only reason you'd buy the doctors if you have just one [TS]
01:32:38 ◼ ► and all the reasonable scenarios where you expect a Game Cube life controller to work [TS]
01:32:42 ◼ ► and I'm very happy about that as I don't like the broken trawler for a variety of reasons but I'm also like this. [TS]
01:32:53 ◼ ► Admitting that the controller is crappy It's not like it's not shoddily made it's nicely made it looks nice it feels [TS]
01:33:01 ◼ ► but there's a reason people prefer the games you control which is inferior in many ways especially the deep game [TS]
01:33:10 ◼ ► but it is better overall I think in the program throw in the fact the Nintendo is really reissuing this controller [TS]
01:33:18 ◼ ► and making an adapter for us as we admit that our friends you know we are Pro Controller has not met with the enthusiasm [TS]
01:33:30 ◼ ► and then there are further admitting that we can't do any better or we're not going to try to do any better right now. [TS]
01:33:44 ◼ ► Like we're expecting with the phones at the small of the popular make me a new four inch phone that is better than my [TS]
01:33:50 ◼ ► old four inch phone that brings along all the things I liked about my four inch phone but is new [TS]
01:33:56 ◼ ► and improved on the things that you respect like how about something it's like a game to it. But has a D. [TS]
01:34:02 ◼ ► or you know fix the shoulder buttons to be more interesting in the game to children who they were a little bit weird I [TS]
01:34:29 ◼ ► Who knows but I don't know I mean look at the look at the connectors on it's like this is ancient technology. [TS]
01:34:39 ◼ ► but you're still not answer my question why the hell would you make one green one black that's hitting you know I'm assuming [TS]
01:34:44 ◼ ► that because you have to plug one into one board or one of the like they want you to differentiate them. [TS]
01:34:50 ◼ ► and one for power for the rumble in our forum both packs my best guess too does the way you only have two U.S.B. Ports. [TS]
01:35:00 ◼ ► and my best guess is that they don't want you to be a little plug into these adapters. [TS]
01:35:04 ◼ ► Now I just would say that I like the theory in the chat room that one is for power [TS]
01:35:07 ◼ ► and one that you need two connectors to be able to powerful rumbles but who knows. But why make them. [TS]
01:35:15 ◼ ► That's content so hitting maybe one has to be in one part of want to be in another I don't know I hope not. [TS]
01:35:25 ◼ ► Well I got I got even ten of credit they're doing what they do best which is they're finding ways to make people buy [TS]
01:35:35 ◼ ► Yeah all of it like I was posting on Twitter I was looking for some control of your plans and Game Cube games [TS]
01:35:40 ◼ ► and the Alex take eventually whereas out of these things if you use it long enough I gets loose and sloppy [TS]
01:35:49 ◼ ► and you can still buy a white one which they made specially for that we are with a longer cord [TS]
01:35:55 ◼ ► and Wells can you buy it. I think I've seen some black one saying RAM but they made them in. [TS]
01:36:00 ◼ ► A variety of colors if you are one of the fancy colors and you want a new in box not used. [TS]
01:36:04 ◼ ► It's extremely hard to find you can really find it like two hundred dollars on e Bay you know new in the box. [TS]
01:36:15 ◼ ► or wave bird similar the wireless version version of those things are very expensive if you want the new Like They're [TS]
01:36:20 ◼ ► collector's item to this point so them reissuing them with the Smash Brothers logo on it I didn't want Valens I don't [TS]
01:36:25 ◼ ► want to Smash Brothers logo on top of that I have and it was also black and boring so I bought a white one [TS]
01:36:38 ◼ ► but yeah I would I would really like them to make a new controller that's better than a game controller. [TS]
01:36:47 ◼ ► All right I feel better for having no control right now I'm playing all your favorite Game Cube games are my favorite [TS]
01:36:56 ◼ ► game. I don't think I ever played any game cube games but I don't mind a flashback to F. [TS]
01:37:07 ◼ ► Yeah that would be you know they were so they could issue a an adapter for any assassin is controllers you can buy them [TS]
01:37:24 ◼ ► and so that's a case where you would want to know that it's not a game obviously having a pin [TS]