The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► it's scary and I don't like it helped me we missed a lot this week or last week I [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► guess I was here he says with not a hint of bitterness no of course not [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► John better now surely not I did want to mention quickly the the Dave Morin [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► vanity fair thing because I think from what I can tell based on some things [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► I've seen you know both from him making a few little comments here and there and [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► a few other people including the magazine's esteemed editor Glenn [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► Fleishman who who apparently talked a little bit more it sounds like it sounds [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► like it was pretty overblown like it sounds like the Vanity Fair reporter [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► might have been exaggerating or taking some of those things really far out of [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► context or mangled them somewhat so I want to give the guy a little bit of the [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► benefit of the doubt and as i've i've had reporters Mangal stuff I've told [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► them and it is terrible because it makes you look like a total douche and and [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► certainly his his thing to look that way you know we don't really know how much [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► of that he really said and how bad it really is so I do want to give the guy [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► with the benefit of doubt and just you know maybe the NM float the idea that [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► that might not have been entirely accurate [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► sounds like it probably wasn't I don't know could you could any human being be [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► that much of a colossal jerk without intending it means I don't know if you [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► so much of a jerk because like if I had given those answers and people have like [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► complained about me giving those answers I feel like I could defend him I don't I [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► didn't read the whole thing but I saw most of the quotes and they did seem [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► ridiculous but assuming they're talking about real things I would say to the [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► people who didn't like them you know come at me bro like to do you get two [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► phones you got one for the day and one for the night I guess I don't like a [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► battery pack makes my phone bigger [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► and so have I have two phones and I can't charge it all day cuz I'm running [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► around her meeting to meeting so having two phones let me help lets me have a [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► skinnier like that you could defend it and it actually did defend that [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► particular point hehe sentence in some Twitter at reply to somebody that what [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► he really said was that he has said he you know he does have two iPhones which [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► is ridiculous but he is also a very successful tech company CEO so you know [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► it's not like you know it goes with the territory it to some degree but he said [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► what the reason he has to is is one of them for only work stuff and only work [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► apps and the other one for only personal stuff so that he can like leave work at [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► work and not be destroyed my personal website that actually ok you know I [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► still don't really ever see myself having two iPhones even if money was no [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► object but I could see why he would do that it's not it's not a great solution [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► but like you I would feel like you could explain it and defended now what you [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► can't explain and defend is i mean assuming the courts are accurate is [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► saying those things in the context of interviewing not thinking people are [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► going to sound think you sound like a tool like he would you have to certain [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► things need to be provide context and if you don't think you're gonna be able to [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► provide that context or you know like this not the right forum to do that like [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► say you're talking with your friends about how you manage your phone's that's [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► the time to pop though I have one for working on home selling access not [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► extravagant cost wise and it is kind of annoying about it has lots of problems [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► picking stuff up between the phones is up but that's the context were you bring [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► this up you don't bring it up in like hey we're talking to you for magazines [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► really like this not the time to bring that up so he made some strategic errors [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► and went to bring things up and the the OSB on the offensive defensive and you [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► could say that as a joke but mostly you keep your ringer off because you don't [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► be disturbed during the day and the person says and ask you eyes a lot you [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► know the offense think it's a funny joke but if you just see the words written [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► there like he's dead serious he thinks you know the one of the theories I heard [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► right the beginning reference published somebody said that it looks like he [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► might just controlling them and if you go into that theory and you read it [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► again you can kind of see that that's that's actually why I would say that is [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► equally plausible as he's that much of a douche [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► equal [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► how are you told me that we discuss this when I when I first arrived in New York [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► last weekend when you first said maybe it's possible so I really mean I I think [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► the way more likely answer is that he wasn't trying to intentionally told him [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► and he isn't that much of a douche and the real answer is it was just blown out [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► of proportion by the reporter that he might not be that self-aware like you [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► could if you are that's true it's hard to tell I mean look at look at the [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► picture of the picture he got himself he does like college this dick up and that [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► is true and the pictures are kind of precious and like you would think like [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► someone who is just a little bit more self-aware and perhaps not as not as CEO [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► and current company might like [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► like I couldn't put a picture of myself like that like I would I don't know it's [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► a tough call but you know this is a this is a nine-story innuendo rules coming go [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► and I don't fault him as a person for any of this silliness speaking of [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► silliness I guess let's go chronologically Facebook home I don't [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► know what to make of that and I was never big into Facebook although it [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► seems from what I can tell that both you guys even at your peak like Facebook a [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► lot less than I like facebook but I i mean i look at it a few times a week [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► because it's it seems socially awkward not to never looked at Facebook ever and [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► that's exactly my point is that I think I i at my peak certainly and even now I [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► probably have embraced it more than I think either of you gentlemen but and I [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► think I could get away without ever looking at it and certainly Aaron and I [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► have mostly the same circle of friends so she could keep me updated on the [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► eight hundred people that are having babies right now but I don't know I just [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► I couldn't imagine an entire phone experience based solely off of what all [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► my friends are doing and furthermore it seems to me like one of the things that [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► society's challenged with these days that sounded way overblown but on a roll [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► with it now is that you're never in the moment you're always worrying about what [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► your Twitter people are saying [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► your Instagram followers are commenting on and liking and so on and so forth in [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► this seems to just make that even worse I dunno I just don't get it I think it [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► depends on like you know for me one of the reasons why I've never gotten into [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► Facebook Like I have an account but I've never been active in fact my wife [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► created the account for me when we got engaged so that she would have something [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► to point yeah exactly that's why that's when I got my account that's why she did [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► it but I've never really been active because it's it's not that I [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► fundamentally objective the product I don't I don't really care either way on [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► that front it's that Facebook is set up to [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► to inflate the idea of people you know and people whose content you want to [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► follow online and to me though those are very much not overlapping circles and [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► and I think that's true for a lot of people and that's why I like the beauty [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► of Twitter at first Facebook didn't even have a symmetric following I think now [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► it does anyone know for sure that's a little and it you know you want to block [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► me in like like maybe once every two or three months to answer some message from [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► somebody that I probably should answer the email inflation and and so I every [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► time I log in there is like a totally different interface and it confuses the [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► crap out of me and I i never know how to do anything or what's going on or where [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► something is [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► man yeah I need the kids to explain it to me that's the way the kids to explain [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► to me I know I know and knowing product when I see this is why I know all the [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► things it can do and I can't figure out how to do the eventual I just did not [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► want to do them and I don't do not want is my reactions like I had to stop [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► myself from liking our people get you know there they get all angry about [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► Apple just angry at Apple in like you just mentioned I hate Apple they just [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► getting I have to stop myself from [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► good feeling about Facebook or not I said do like four times anyway we can be [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► like everytime someone mentions anything about Facebook gets here in passing like [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► this voice matters men Facebook like just like a website where people do [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► stuff and they enjoy things that's a good way for people to connect the [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► people you know not everyone can have their own website and it's a way for [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► people to post pictures to each other and social like my rational brain knows [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► my facebook resistance popular but the other part of me it's visceral hatred [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► will anyone and I really don't like you know it it's one thing to say this is a [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► website where people can can communicate like you know tumblr is is a lot of the [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► same things for people so you know I got to see that develop and and and i think [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► what's different with things like Tumblr vs things like Facebook is that Facebook [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► is one of these companies which we've we've had a few of these in our history [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► of this industry it's one of these companies where if something is is [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► having some success they want a piece of it too and they can't stand not to be in [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► the market and the originator of this was Microsoft and then in our industry I [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► would say like I don't think I like the previous giants like IBM I don't think [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► they were much worse August so far because it would do anything like it [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► anyone became remotely popular we're going to one of those and Facebook at [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► least it's like lots of people go off and do lots of other things but you know [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► I didn't make a music player in the iPod was popular tablet I mean like the phone [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► you know they're not as like Microsoft like anybody does anything even if it [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► looks like they're gonna fail will make a failure profitable excited just just [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► in case you know what let's merge with NBC to or whatever the future things on [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► TV they're not as desperate as that type of vibe where a company gets big enough [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► and I i think is a rational thing Google and Facebook is like a look [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► we are big and successful but if we're just content to be what we are we are [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► going to get left behind and so all the companies are looking to see what the [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► next thing is going to be and like you know Google decided look we need to do [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► something with social and I can refocus their entire company on Google+ and [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► Facebook already the king of social said you know we see that the carrier week is [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► in mobile and that is not going away it's going to be a big thing we got we [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► gotta figure out something there so I think it's a reasonable strategy for [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► companies who are very large not to be happy with what they are just get better [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► I did but to look for the play the other things but not everything out like a [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► game console do not like you know doing things that are grocery store house or [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► whatever like what everybody's doing stuff like that like there they've [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► picked a reasonable thing I think like look we have to be in mobile if we're [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► not in mobile we're screwed long-term so they're doing something well the way [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► they're doing it though and this is this is partly why I brought up the the [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► sprawl argument the way they're doing it is seemingly designed with the [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► assumption that everyone using it exclusively uses Facebook or primarily [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► uses Facebook as their communication mechanism to anybody and and it seems [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► like I'm part of that might just be like blindness to people who only partially [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► care about Facebook or communicate with some of their friends on Facebook and [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► some not and part of it might be an effort to actively extinguished that [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► kind of use and to convert those people to like to spread the tentacles and [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► bring them in and kind of railroad them into using Facebook for way more of the [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► communications a previously reduced through other channels like text [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► messaging or anything else and and and that that kind of the wrong way like [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► that and so it just ignorance where they're where they're just thinking well [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► of course everyone who uses Facebook only uses Facebook and that's one thing [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► I don't think they're that stupid though Facebook has shown extremely good [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► product [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► sense product sensibilities skills in in getting people in keeping them there [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► so I don't think you can be any Facebook moved to stupidity I think they're [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► they're very very smart people running a company and so Microsoft you know they [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► they have extremely smart people and companies so so they know exactly what [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► they're doing and I think it's very clear what they're doing here they are [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► they are extinguishing or at least attempting to extinguish any other [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► communication methods on the phones that have been infected by this this home [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► thing all the old stuff is still there too [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► well they're they're trying to bury it is likely to be there to like they you [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► know if they don't know if they're not assembling at least you know SMS text [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► messaging or whatever other thing people using at least a sibling with that if [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► you have to launch the Facebook app and that their subordinate to the rest of [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► the phone experience kinda like they are on iOS right they they think they should [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► at least be assembling with those things and since Android allows you to take [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► over the lock screen stopped now they look like they're out in front of [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► everything else but I still call that a sibling just because the first thing you [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► see it still like alongside the other stuff maybe I don't know why I think [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► we'll see how it plays out because 11 very careful I now have to walk is if [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► they do go too far in that direction of being too aggressive and and not working [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► very well or making the phone not work very well if you wanna do a lot of non [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► Facebook communication that if they go too far in the direction of fewer [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► installs of this thing and fewer sales of those phones that have a [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► pre-installed so you know they have to walk that line somewhat I i guess i to [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► see how this plays out and to see like you know does this is this still roughly [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► the same kind of thing in six months or a year and how many people are using it [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► you know the thing I was thinking about her home and for another topic openly [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► talk about a blog posts doing on this and it will go ahead and spoil the whole [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► blog post because it involved utensil there's not that much overlap it seems [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► to be able to read the blog and people listen to the podcast because often they [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► choose not to blog something that I podcast about any two people are going [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► to talk about podcasting [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► talking about anyway so in both these situations the kind of like an RTS a [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► little bit and the recent that the resource that is critical to victory in [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► the realm of both Facebook home and also in the WebKit blink thing is developers [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► they need to mind for more developers basically and there is something about [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► in that respect and talk about developers to make this stuff is on [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► homer and like all this is just a precursor they're gonna for pandering [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► they're going to do their own tests right they would you like me now but I [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► clearly they're gonna they're gonna make their own phone OS and and you know [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► thanks google for giving us a head start with Android will take what you gotta go [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► after injection kinda like blanketed with WebKit right but same thing with [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► Samsung or Samsung's working on their Android part thanks cool for all of your [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► hard work now we're off to the races haha school you go making all the money [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► you're screwed like they can't they can't beat Facebook with Google+ and [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► they can they can make money off and rugged Samsung song all the phones and [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► they cannot profit so far google did all the work to make Android and other ppl [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► stolen did what they wanted like that's one narrative about this thing but in [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► the case of Samsung and Facebook I had to think like you know does Facebook [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► have the skill to say thanks go were taken and it would take a miracle for [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► can go off on her own and they support a platform committee develop an OS on on [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► going too well but the whole thing like okay you either forked in which case ok [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► well you're you're on your own [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► merging with the next version of Android the Google puts out you will divert G [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► Wilfork you will split is not you will not be able to benefit from the future [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► work the Google does are very difficult for you otherwise you're not forcing [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► otherwise you're just piggybacking so people can make their own a lesson will [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► be a fork [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► you're giving up being able to do say merges with the next major version [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► and really you're either going to be the platform owner or you're not right now [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► Google's the platform or they may do they continue to make it the next [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► version of the OS comes from and the other people say okay we'll come up with [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► the next major version lets integrated and screwed up in some way immoral crap [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► on it right and that's what Facebook is doing now but for kids become master of [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► your own destiny [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► only OS we make our own OS it used to be based on Android get whatever but now [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► it's our own thing we develop it [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► we support the developers like to the point where you could have application [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► compatibility diversion some point the future because that's what a fork [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► eventually leads to ya all this one works on Facebook so as but not unlike [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► regular Android none Samsung and I don't think Facebook has the ability to be a [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► platform owner they do you know maybe they can hire up that ability certainly [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► didn't have the ability to to make a well-designed [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► designers but right now I don't think Facebook has the ability to be a [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► platform because that is a high bar like how many how many sets of successful [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► platform owners have we seen in our industry Microsoft Apple Google and [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► Facebook they they don't they're not making any of this I'm talking about [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► that's the thing is that it is a very big distinction but to kind of set that [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► aside just for a moment I mean it when I remember back to the original days of [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► Facebook where it was completely Facebook controlled there were no [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► absolute no freakin farmville or anything like that it was a very [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► different it was a very different place that was really about sharing your life [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► and at that point it wasn't yet about throwing away all of your privacy or if [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► it was that it would they were quiet about it but now able to your point it's [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► not a creative platform but it's still too large to create a platform you have [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► all these different apps if you would call them that running on and on top of [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► their platform and they've done a lot to they've done a lot of kind of wild [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► things in order to make their platform work and what comes to mind in this this [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► is kinda what you guys are saying about them having some really bright people [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► there and Mark I presume you would know better than i didnt they write like a [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► PHP to C++ cross compiler something like that but that's that's service i'd like [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► a web platform and they haven't API platform like writing an OS like you [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► have a hardware device and you want the operating system on the hardware devices [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► you build up in layers from the thing controlling the cell radio to the [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► graphics system to every other products nos actual native iOS and Google is [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► doing all that work now well not quite a stir with Linux I mean I know but like [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► the didn't for clinics right right now it's like if they have a base foundation [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► to follow but when you do the OS part like that's that's where you're making [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► the API in the new version has a different API for scrolling is different [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► but it's not just feel like that's OS development and all that annoying crap [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► alike are you gotta have API documentation he got a developer program [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► STK gonna make sure the tools worth all the crap that Apple does all the crap [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► the Google does her it's cool don't like and you've got to develop the OSU have [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► to make a better year after year they want a new major version that does [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► something better that has faster graphics that uses the GPU better than [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► API's it takes a lot of people a lot of skill and expertise to do that and it's [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► not easy and I don't like Amazon is exactly how they fork tender to make [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► their songs you know they thought that is their own thing they don't have the [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► skills in house to be to develop their own arrest there inevitably they're [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► gonna have to either just been it's like I'm losing very dead end the slowly [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► evolves in whatever direction they want or they're gonna have to do some super [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► painful resync or another reform or something but clearly I am actually I [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► think they actually have like cold more recent changes from Google into their [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► version already likes of for some of the newer devices I'm pretty sure somebody [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► told me that they had done that but they're doing that they're not really [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► much of a fork at that point then you just kind of like your dinner some of [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► the people who is taking over 200 zone mutating internal I Q U R E there you [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► were there have your own unless you don't like are you depended on google or [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► not like if Google decides we're not developing and retaining more are you [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► screwed that's that's how you can tell whether you are really a master of your [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► own destiny like Apple's not relying on anyone to develop the rest Microsoft is [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► not relying on the other is Google like but if Google just sold his arm says you [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► know what nevermind that enters ever gonna stop developing it everyone who [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► makes an Android device who who is a has been using like Android in any form of [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► the bike but [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► but the next year when album comes out with a new version of their mobile us [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► but what will we do look like well you know someone could quote from Watchmen [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► right now if they knew the quote but I don't but you know it's also induce [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► imagining your head right now [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► well I think it's an independent it's worth considering what happens in that [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► scenario let's say let's see [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► not not nothin Google stopped developing in just like a thought exercise to see [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► if you really are independent but what if they take a close source that that's [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► the trouble even less likely than stopping [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► is it so the licensing prevents them from actually doing that and I go [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► forward basis I think they can just close the door and say ok what we really [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► so far as open but going forward all that will be closed if Amazon can do it [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► why can't I don't think Amazon everything I i dont no licensing issues [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► involved but this seems very unlikely like legally speaking and even if it's [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► legally like politically imagine what would happen there I get much more [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► likely that they will use their their licensing agreements with the Google [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► services to be like you know like if you want to be able to use the Google [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► services with your thing and be certified as an Android device and all [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► the other tools they have to put people and lines they've been trying to use [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► like carriers to stop mucking up their awesome stuff they probably will [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► continue to turn the screws on those but that doesn't do anything against like [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► Amazon probably because they like you know you can't even call your thing and [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► rhetoric ok well you can even use the Google Play Store story like I don't [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► know what kind of screws they can turn out as I don't think the complaint [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► closed closed source but that same type of deal say they didn't a close source [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► if you always under sweating bullets because you realize you do not have [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► people who can develop maintain support like mobile OS which is incredibly [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► complicated thing right then you realize oh geez we really were a parasite on [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► Google which may have been bad for googling great for you when it was [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► happening but realize that's what you are so everyone was clamoring for a [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► facebook you know for a Samsung forgiving Samsung is even less likely to [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► be able to develop their own mobile OS right that would be [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► both of them could step up to do it like Facebook just bought which was that [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► company run by I'm at Sangam pronouncing his name correctly the author of the [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► gigantic Mac OS 10 internals book that's off to my right right now he's a smart [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► guy heavily into OS as he did this like stealth startup that we don't even know [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► what they're doing with a bunch of the smart people on Facebook bought them [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► this afternoon the like you know now he's got interested now Facebook has an [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► internal team so maybe they are stepping up for a bit like that's that's the [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► resources they need to mind 40 if you want to be independent of Google and be [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► a player in the mobile space along with you know Apple Microsoft rim and Google [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► whoever you want to stay out there who has actually a mobile platform you've [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► got to be master of your own destiny and do that I wonder though you know it I [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► think it's worth it's worth considering [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► let's say something happen with Google Earth Android or something something [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► happened where it forced Amazon to no longer be able to pull changes from [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► Google whatever whatever it is whether it's going close source or whether it's [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► becomes really impossible things do it or Google to something else who knows [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► but suppose amazon has do basically get stuck with what they have so far and any [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► let stagnate forever and just you know build a minor things on top of it or [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► hire some ridiculously large [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► OS team to to develop that which is a major undertaking as you said how long [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► do you think they could go without doing that like how long do you think they [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► could keep selling Kindle branded tablets and maybe even eventually phones [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► while keeping the same rough version of Android they have now and just doing [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► minor tweaks of it as necessary over time [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► couple years probably I'm thinking I might be like 10 years because I think [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► about I know things are matured a little bit it's not like horrendously slow [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► whatever but you know hardware just in terms of hardware support hardware moves [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► on like it you know ten years on the phones are you using 64 bit system on [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► chips and they're gonna have a 32 bit OS and so like right away just forget it [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► you need to do something they're not gonna be maybe those those chips only [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► one run 32 bits like you have that the solution for fat by areas and [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► may be different architecture may be there on x86 thank God knows what's [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► gonna happen ten years there they cannot last that long but a couple of years [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► they could do it and by the end of that run it would be like boy this really [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► doesn't already feels clunky and slow awesome now so they don't have a big [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► cushion but nobody buys the Amazon Harbor because it's good it's not it's [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► actually really really quite terrible in most ways but the heart and nobody buys [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► it for that either by Evan stuff because of price and because the Amazon content [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► ecosystem that's those are the two in that order those are the two big reasons [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► why people buy the Amazon stuff I wish I knew how many people are actually buying [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► Kindle Fire tablets and how those people how many people were using them like [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► tablets not just as a way to play Angry Birds and read books over John it's a [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► record number of of Kindle buyers this year it's like percent more than last [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► year and last year it was the number one selling product on Amazon I like I don't [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► pay attention to them until they come to play right reading fine they're they're [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► doing I assume they're doing well now because I don't see anyone else being [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► dominant in the reading space but in the tablet space they seems like they're [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► just haven't really committed but they like Amazon as patients so they keep [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► doing what they're doing and I don't doubt like of all the company's amazon [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► has shown that it's willing to step up to do crazy stuff you know so maybe [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► someday they will be you know Jeff Bezos to wake up and say you know what we know [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► as team higher everybody we won't be able to make any money for another two [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► decades and so there is never enough in the context of blankets because black is [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► a similar situation where you had WebKit HTML with a bunch of Linux nerds making [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► their stuff like conquer and everything becomes long does actually we have like [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► we're gonna pay people to develop this and they will quickly dwarf all your [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► efforts because they're you know how he motivated highly paid highly skilled [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► people versus your group of volunteers and lo and behold guess what now we are [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► the rules of this thing and we doubled WebKit [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► and thanks a lot caged in El Cajon yes we are not running the show here and [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► then Google comes along makes its browser Chrome says it will use with it [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► that's great and Apple and Google in lockstep but now developing south until [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► eventually it's like google has more commuters and is putting more coding to [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► get the Nablus and then you know the tension between the different process [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► models and other stuff and they can't cooperate because the deadly enemies in [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► this will work on the same project and Google says you know what we're going [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► too far on and at that point [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► Google is entirely able to support the development of anything Apple might be [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► like but what does that mean you're not going to contribute security fixes to [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► get anymore cuz it's a really nice we like nose and you know like JavaScript [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► engine which was pretty darn good apples in like can we were so proud of our job [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► trends in this made their own and they keep making their it better and I guess [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► I was good but like cheese every two weeks they keep making up things faster [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► and it's scary and I don't like it helped me so you know this is a [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► situation where Google Google has the developers Google does not need to mind [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► from or developer resources they have they are in the driver's seat of blink [TS]