00:00:01 ◼ ► Bergeron Well the the prediction that you two had for night one at home would you like to guess if it went as you [TS]
00:00:16 ◼ ► and here to tell the world tell the world today that didn't come out yet that's out now. I wasn't alive. [TS]
00:00:25 ◼ ► Yeah yeah absolutely did OK So Marco did it go as you expected which is to say it went not swimmingly [TS]
00:00:37 ◼ ► First time home from the hospital and I'm sayin it did not go flawlessly. It was a disaster. [TS]
00:00:43 ◼ ► Yeah it's simply unrealistic to expect otherwise I mean it's not really his fault that you know zero year olds are [TS]
00:00:53 ◼ ► and we bring them back to it's true get it inspected if you like this not failing to thrive is just easily be all the [TS]
00:01:00 ◼ ► Now it's actually funny you say that because you did mention the pediatrician Monday that he was really sleepy [TS]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and you know we were let him go something like four ish hours overnight because he really didn't wake up to feed [TS]
00:01:14 ◼ ► That ain't your thing yet you gotta wake that baby up and so that's what we've been doing [TS]
00:01:17 ◼ ► and it's been I mean all in all it's actually he's been really good the first night was a disaster because we hadn't [TS]
00:01:27 ◼ ► And so you know here it is I'm trying to be supportive of Erin who is who is the only one who can actually feed Declan [TS]
00:01:33 ◼ ► and I'm waking up and just kind of staring at her while she's feeding him not then there's no point me being up [TS]
00:01:40 ◼ ► and it took us until basically the end of that night where I think I said to her Listen he's pissed off you haven't [TS]
00:01:49 ◼ ► You go to bed I'll just entertain him for a couple hours and that's when kind of we had the epiphany that divide [TS]
00:02:00 ◼ ► The purpose to use staying over the same time in that's like to offer moral support if your wife is to have a person [TS]
00:02:12 ◼ ► But eventually yes you will both get over that because you'll realize either one of us everyone's asleep we have to get [TS]
00:02:22 ◼ ► Which one of us said Adam Samberg was that me or John I did and then you confirmed. [TS]
00:02:27 ◼ ► We're trying to remember the name of some movie I'm like oh that's the thing with Adam Samberg and you said Yep [TS]
00:02:32 ◼ ► but I don't know I don't know why I let that slide because I knew it was Andy Samberg [TS]
00:02:36 ◼ ► but at the line I was any Samberg to it just you know came along anyway in case you're wondering the man's name is Andy [TS]
00:02:45 ◼ ► You didn't say anything right didn't make you right but you were you were correct in saying you were not wrong. [TS]
00:02:54 ◼ ► and real time fall you seem I know who that is or what you were talking about you know who Andy Samberg is come on. [TS]
00:03:00 ◼ ► You overestimate me. Now I go yet that guy you know you don't know the name. That may be also unlikely. [TS]
00:03:10 ◼ ► If you've ever seen a recent Saturday Night Live not now recent but within the last five ten years recent. [TS]
00:03:19 ◼ ► and he's been in a bunch of movies too although there are scaping me off my head so far too lazy Sunday which was a [TS]
00:03:28 ◼ ► never heard of a written reference that you made was on a boat he's in the on a boat thing I'm on a boat the first time [TS]
00:03:34 ◼ ► when I recorded it to insert into the show last week where I heard about it so I knew roughly what you were talking [TS]
00:03:41 ◼ ► about but I didn't know anything else about like I had never heard the whole thing. [TS]
00:03:50 ◼ ► Yeah like two weeks earlier something yeah that was like the entire world was obsessed with that [TS]
00:04:07 ◼ ► and they came out with an album two three months ago maybe a little more than that [TS]
00:04:15 ◼ ► but I read a review of it on like a rolling stone or pitchfork or something hipster [TS]
00:04:19 ◼ ► and the point that they made about the album was you know it's supposed to be satirical rap in so it's sort of kind of [TS]
00:04:27 ◼ ► weird Alysha Other Weird Al was deliberately goofy whereas they are more satirical in my personal estimation. [TS]
00:04:34 ◼ ► Well anyway they said that the problem with the Lonely Island album is that the music is good enough in the writing is [TS]
00:04:45 ◼ ► So they totally kind of escape or missed the point of the entire album which was to be satirical [TS]
00:04:49 ◼ ► and silly so that they accidentally made an album that was just good enough to not be taken as a joke which was their [TS]
00:04:54 ◼ ► intention. Exactly right. Now it's weird. Should I be a little bit embarrassed that first of all I had never heard T. [TS]
00:05:02 ◼ ► but while watching the on the boat video I was like the only music I was actually enjoying wasn't he pay me saying it [TS]
00:05:11 ◼ ► I'm so not a raft I clearly I mean well the comedy behind it though is that he was auto tuned to death like that was T. [TS]
00:05:17 ◼ ► Pain's thing was to or at least the charge I knew was that he was like the first person to really embrace audit. [TS]
00:05:28 ◼ ► and I think you could argue that many artists such as maybe Britney Spears had embraced auto tune a long time before [TS]
00:05:36 ◼ ► and yeah either way he was definitely the most musical part of that which I was trying to get some kind of musical enjoyment [TS]
00:05:50 ◼ ► and that was the only source of any any promise in the whole thing. He didn't like the lyrics at all. [TS]
00:05:56 ◼ ► I think one verse was kind of funny maybe. But like the holes I was sitting there like this is still going. [TS]
00:06:02 ◼ ► Like I couldn't believe how long I figured it was like a forty five second S N L skit not made an entire you know three [TS]
00:06:11 ◼ ► Now it's the real deal that he should have stayed as a as a thirty second to get a you should there's there's a couple [TS]
00:06:25 ◼ ► and it's all about using semi-colons properly which which I thought was enjoyable something credible is seeing that [TS]
00:06:30 ◼ ► want to write I don't know that that's a given put in the show notes force market to watch it I have seen nothing even [TS]
00:06:37 ◼ ► you have to understand any any question that begins with you know. Surely you've seen blank. No you do all day. [TS]
00:06:44 ◼ ► Seriously you soon don't actually watch them make TIFF press your little hand on the mouse button [TS]
00:06:49 ◼ ► and the other mentally switching to Chrome to make flash work to play it and not worth. [TS]
00:07:01 ◼ ► Well what do you mean pause your music you're listening to Phish that's not music because your knowing is open you're [TS]
00:07:07 ◼ ► only open your flash ghetto etc Anyway what else is going on. What did what did Wall receive P. [TS]
00:07:13 ◼ ► Tell us John at the Cullen pick Ryan tweeted to say that the last show was talking about they were using bundles for [TS]
00:07:24 ◼ ► and last week's show we posted I hope the link is in the show it's of a screenshot of this actually happening in the [TS]
00:07:31 ◼ ► and I mention the scenario where it could actually be more expensive to get a second app as part of an upgrade bundle [TS]
00:07:40 ◼ ► and convert into say that apparently the store now forbid you from purchasing a bundle if it would be cheaper for you [TS]
00:07:47 ◼ ► to buy the the other apps like individually so I guess that's one workaround to this problem with bundle pricing [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► I don't know the mess looks like that in tests that I didn't have a scenario where I don't have a bundle [TS]
00:08:03 ◼ ► and I could try it out but what does it say to you Don't you understand why you can't buy this bundle [TS]
00:08:13 ◼ ► Additionally somebody had asked us for you to explain how you're handling trim support with your new found baby S.S.D. [TS]
00:08:23 ◼ ► Can you recap what trim is and then talk about what you're doing about it and this is a common question [TS]
00:08:31 ◼ ► and it's you know it's a third party as they are sticking it into a mac that never had it didn't ship with an S.S.D. [TS]
00:08:37 ◼ ► and Ever want to know about term support what am I doing with supporters a bunch of wrinkles. [TS]
00:08:42 ◼ ► Somebody so trim I don't notice stands for but trim is a command they get sent to an S.S.D. [TS]
00:08:49 ◼ ► That tells it that a bunch of blocks of data on it are no longer being used so the S.S.T. [TS]
00:08:55 ◼ ► Is free to sort of reclaim them for future use in the sounds weird was like why would you need this [TS]
00:08:59 ◼ ► and this is the one she's on disk and has to do with the way disks are addressed by computers [TS]
00:09:05 ◼ ► when he used the Unix parlance it's like a block addressable device whereas just this device hanging out there [TS]
00:09:12 ◼ ► and you and you said addressing and bytes you can President blocks like you know whatever four K. or Whatever. [TS]
00:09:17 ◼ ► Actually that's not only end blocks were going to forget about the block thing they risk having this contrary a [TS]
00:09:23 ◼ ► constraint on that as well. You know because this file system blocks and there's the black dresses. [TS]
00:09:31 ◼ ► when you're addressing a disk you have to write a file system two in the file system as the structures that you put on [TS]
00:09:37 ◼ ► it to keep track of where reading is so you have a little index over here on the disk going to write it like a little [TS]
00:09:46 ◼ ► and then you know there's a whole bunch of different techniques depending on the thousand to find where all the pieces [TS]
00:09:49 ◼ ► of this file as a big long continuous string probably not probably there's a bunch of pieces [TS]
00:09:54 ◼ ► and then a pointer to another bunch of pieces and a pointer to another bunch of pieces [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Got a doubly indirect block in Tripoli indirectly I mean this is all that the realm of the file systems job is to put a [TS]
00:10:09 ◼ ► when you delete a file on most file systems all you do is go to the little place where you would look up where all the [TS]
00:10:21 ◼ ► It doesn't touch the actual data that belong to the file the data the blunder the file still sitting there. [TS]
00:10:26 ◼ ► All you did was a race like the bookkeeping information that the structures in the file system that would tell you [TS]
00:10:32 ◼ ► and that's where you can under leak files of people remember undelete utilities back from the DOS days [TS]
00:10:40 ◼ ► when you delete something it doesn't take as long as writing you don't you know overwrite all that is why he isn't the [TS]
00:10:47 ◼ ► But for as these are these are a little bit weird everything about memory chips is weird [TS]
00:10:51 ◼ ► and I don't know this is true of all his days which is why I will go to a little bit. [TS]
00:10:58 ◼ ► and probably still is the case for most of them the way the memory is addressed in the little chips that make up the [TS]
00:11:04 ◼ ► D.'s You can't just grab one little sort of block size piece and read and write it [TS]
00:11:10 ◼ ► when you want to write something you have to write it in a large chunk even if you're just interested in one little [TS]
00:11:16 ◼ ► piece of it. And furthermore you can't write to a bunch of memory that already has stuff in it. [TS]
00:11:23 ◼ ► So what you have to do is read that entire gigantic chunk into into some other memory temporarily [TS]
00:11:30 ◼ ► or race that entire gigantic chunk modify little chunk you want to change in the copy that you made to memory before [TS]
00:11:43 ◼ ► and that means that even if that space isn't used like even if you are a school entry [TS]
00:11:51 ◼ ► and just erases the little tiny look up table where those five gigs were that five years data still in the chip so the [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► This is where that five year was it can't just go I'm going to write the data there [TS]
00:12:03 ◼ ► and have to erase it first you can't unlike a spinning disk where you can just write a running spot like writing in an [TS]
00:12:09 ◼ ► operation he said I don't care where I'm writing just start writing because just enough looks a little magnetic poles [TS]
00:12:14 ◼ ► You don't have to erase it for you right but I said not only do you have to raise it before you write [TS]
00:12:18 ◼ ► but you have to raise this big gigantic block and modify a little bit in the copy that you got [TS]
00:12:23 ◼ ► and then put the copy back on so the trim command is optimization in the operating system [TS]
00:12:28 ◼ ► when you delete a little file to the OK I'm going to delete this little entry from the file system [TS]
00:12:33 ◼ ► but also notice on his command to the to the disk by the way I deleted the entry for this for this file the file has [TS]
00:12:41 ◼ ► or tell you where those blocks aren't they the Marchese being freed gives us a chance to erase those blocks so that [TS]
00:12:48 ◼ ► when something is to be written later it doesn't find itself stumbling onto where you know because there's anybody as [TS]
00:12:53 ◼ ► the as the has no idea about the file system it is just a big addressable chunk of storage the file system is all [TS]
00:12:59 ◼ ► something that happens in the realm of the operating system so yes is the has no idea what to file with not to delete a [TS]
00:13:06 ◼ ► Box for the most part so that's why trim is useful because it lets the operating system tell the S.S.D. [TS]
00:13:14 ◼ ► I deleted the files all the blocks of longer file that were here here here and here. [TS]
00:13:18 ◼ ► They're not used anymore so when you get a chance maybe in some idle time erase those because later [TS]
00:13:22 ◼ ► when you need to write something you can have some freshly response message by the way want to reason that says these [TS]
00:13:29 ◼ ► when they are full because that would mean that the number of places that you can write like the places that are raced [TS]
00:13:33 ◼ ► in an array state would go down because you know the is almost full So any time I needed to write anything [TS]
00:13:39 ◼ ► and have to read an entire junk back erase the entire thing modify a little bit write a back there wasn't any fresh [TS]
00:13:46 ◼ ► So here's the thing with trim Apple I believe supports trim on most of it us is easy to build [TS]
00:13:56 ◼ ► but it doesn't support trim for third party Estes. No so I bought a third party S.S.D. [TS]
00:14:06 ◼ ► You can you know select your little eighty a bus or south of us where everything is on and it also trims support yes [TS]
00:14:14 ◼ ► and mine says no so people are asking hey did you use this thing called Trim enablers all matches the lock system extension [TS]
00:14:20 ◼ ► type things that will force the operating system to enable the trim command even addresses the is not one supplied by [TS]
00:14:34 ◼ ► and to sign a kernel extension here is we need to build it yourself you need to sort of have the source code [TS]
00:14:40 ◼ ► But Apple does not release the source code to it's part of the called Age the advanced hosts something interface which [TS]
00:15:01 ◼ ► but you Samuel basically refused to load kernel extension that isn't signed so the only way to get criminal work in [TS]
00:15:08 ◼ ► Yosemite is to turn off the thing that says I will only load signed kernel extensions which is not a great thing to do [TS]
00:15:18 ◼ ► or malware can't throw a kernel extension into your system like even if it gets like a temporary root access to that [TS]
00:15:23 ◼ ► tricks you into entering your local password and writes a kernel extension somewhere and you know any routed [TS]
00:15:27 ◼ ► or whatever the system will not load a kernel extension as unsigned if they signed it. [TS]
00:15:32 ◼ ► Presumably it's signed with an apple developer idea to have some contact information like they could find the [TS]
00:15:36 ◼ ► responsible parties like if someone goes to the effort to make a malware with the same kernel extension always Apple [TS]
00:15:42 ◼ ► would have some recourse to find out who these people are because presumably their whatever their authentication [TS]
00:15:49 ◼ ► and they also revoke your certificate invalidate that and do all sorts of other things I would do it. [TS]
00:15:53 ◼ ► So this is a very long winded and possibly taken slightly take really an accurate way of getting to it. [TS]
00:16:04 ◼ ► or am I disabling the kernel extension signing in Yosemite or checking for kernel extended fingers in your sanity [TS]
00:16:11 ◼ ► and the answer is No And the reason I'm not doing it one is that I don't really like the idea of bypassing the security [TS]
00:16:21 ◼ ► Previous ones are just like why would I do that unless every then that leads to the second reason which is until [TS]
00:16:28 ◼ ► and unless I see performance problems with my S.S.D. and Those performance problems are solved by enabling trim. [TS]
00:16:34 ◼ ► I'm not going to even consider doing this like Otherwise I'm going to wait until there's a problem. [TS]
00:16:43 ◼ ► and that that leads to the final nuance in that as these have on them like they see a little computer that manages the [TS]
00:16:49 ◼ ► storage of man just like the right leveling and all sorts of other things because you can only read [TS]
00:16:55 ◼ ► and these are over provision depending on if they're like an enterprise as the consumer S.S.D. [TS]
00:17:00 ◼ ► They give you more storage and you think you have to wear leveling will use up sections [TS]
00:17:11 ◼ ► Is increasingly divorced from the view of that from the operating system as just a simple box of bits that you can [TS]
00:17:19 ◼ ► And so the assumptions about trim that you have to tell the thing to trim because otherwise it's going to be [TS]
00:17:28 ◼ ► but it's more like what's going on inside that S.S.D. It's like the operating system can't know better than the S.S.D. [TS]
00:17:35 ◼ ► when and How it needs to to do its work because in the grand scheme of things you're going to have to erase that. [TS]
00:17:41 ◼ ► That the blocks of the block that five year about hard before you write to him anyway. [TS]
00:17:52 ◼ ► but the operating system can just send that as the suggestion is for all all for all it knows it has the read from [TS]
00:18:01 ◼ ► or maybe doesn't do it ever because actually it turns out there was another eye operation address the same thing [TS]
00:18:06 ◼ ► and whatever so I don't know the interview did you know what's going on inside as these he did [TS]
00:18:11 ◼ ► but I do know that the storage management iness these has been changing a lot so I'm not entirely sure whether trim is [TS]
00:18:18 ◼ ► as necessary as that used to be I think it probably still is useful in most benchmarks bear out that if you don't [TS]
00:18:27 ◼ ► But anyway I am what I'm doing is living Yosemite's kernel extension signal strength in the way it is [TS]
00:18:34 ◼ ► and if I find that my system is going slow I will follow the instructions which we'll put in the show notes the very [TS]
00:18:43 ◼ ► and using Terminator so I've had on my work MacBook Pro I've had a third party S.S.T. [TS]
00:18:52 ◼ ► Since I received the machine in you know of this one. Well it's a right. Yes Gina twenty twelve. [TS]
00:19:05 ◼ ► or disable term support in the thing still screams YES WAY faster than a spinning disk right. [TS]
00:19:11 ◼ ► Mark Marco Have you ever been able Tremont any of your various third party as a state. [TS]
00:19:24 ◼ ► D.'s were first getting to consumer stuff and they were getting popular the sand force controllers came out [TS]
00:19:30 ◼ ► and became a big splash because before this election I think before trim existed as a command that you could send. [TS]
00:19:47 ◼ ► and whatever whatever that's right degradation I think it's called right amplification where we all you just wanted to [TS]
00:19:52 ◼ ► write one little thing but it turns out would you have had to erase a huge swath really huge swath modify [TS]
00:20:02 ◼ ► and all right over time what it would then be slower than that initial that anyway. [TS]
00:20:07 ◼ ► So Sand Force was a controller company they made those little computers on the other cities to figure out where to put [TS]
00:20:19 ◼ ► and minimize that problem without trim support just by like how they would spread the rights around [TS]
00:20:42 ◼ ► when Apple did finally add support for it in the US it would only work on these white with the disks which end [TS]
00:20:49 ◼ ► So for all of my third party other cities I just I bought I didn't really need term support and just never [TS]
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00:21:52 ◼ ► into a web browser is stunning. And when you square space honestly I mean we use it for for our site for the. [TS]
00:22:01 ◼ ► And you can see for yourself like that that is an almost completely unmodified Squarespace template [TS]
00:22:05 ◼ ► and we actually want to hack a couple A little things and so they actually let you inject javascript and to Melun C.S.S. [TS]
00:22:12 ◼ ► If you want to you can inject it directly into your template and so you can customize quite a bit through that. [TS]
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00:24:00 ◼ ► There's an old city back from owner complaining about just some of the transparency stuff in the sidebars [TS]
00:24:06 ◼ ► and all it has is from Robert Cooper and he was sending a note maybe you can talk about this [TS]
00:24:10 ◼ ► or I don't know that you can choose for the sourceless to be opaque programatic way if you're writing an application [TS]
00:24:20 ◼ ► and we're talking about it again I think he's a developer for Skype because he says in one of his tweets we've chosen [TS]
00:24:34 ◼ ► This I mean that you can permanently do it yeah of course and you are permitted to do anything right here. [TS]
00:24:39 ◼ ► Yeah you know you know you had the example sources you could fake it if you want to but it's nice to see the option [TS]
00:24:43 ◼ ► but the important thing about the transparency in Yosemite is what the defaults are for applications that were compiled [TS]
00:24:50 ◼ ► and built before you somebody even shipped that they can end up with like you know like Outlook twenty eleven. [TS]
00:24:56 ◼ ► They can ship with the hundred thousand sidebar they had no idea they were ever going to have a transition sidebar [TS]
00:25:01 ◼ ► and here they are running on your seventy with friends a sidebar that they never planned on having [TS]
00:25:06 ◼ ► and those default show how dedicated Apple is not like hey we're going to have this new feature [TS]
00:25:13 ◼ ► When you make this call and you get a transition sidebar not the opposite everybody into it. [TS]
00:25:20 ◼ ► and you know I don't particularly like it because I think the apps that never meant after experiencing cyber is a [TS]
00:25:34 ◼ ► and the talk show so reference those up so if you don't hear more whining about transparency in Yosemite that's what do [TS]
00:25:41 ◼ ► we want to finally clear out this Game Cube controller followup that spent in a heart show notes for an eternity. [TS]
00:25:47 ◼ ► Sure this is from someone named Rich long ago I was discussing the Game Cube controller [TS]
00:25:54 ◼ ► and the adapter though if you use a game controller with it we you so you can play Smash Bros I was in. [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Side of that the adapter would also let you play any other game that use the program troll or for that we you [TS]
00:26:08 ◼ ► and I was mentioning it was because I thought it was pretty damning evidence against the program troll of the broken [TS]
00:26:14 ◼ ► rollers the traditional looking and troll there were two analog sticks and buttons [TS]
00:26:18 ◼ ► and triggers you know a typical looking in troll or that Nintendo made for you specifically. [TS]
00:26:23 ◼ ► And yet when Smash Bros came out they offered this adapter for the games you control [TS]
00:26:28 ◼ ► and I'm saying like if they if the program was really any good intend it would not have felt the need to make an [TS]
00:26:39 ◼ ► or to clarify the games you control was there just because Smash Bros players are addicted to it [TS]
00:26:45 ◼ ► and because it's wired instead of wireless if you're not using the waiver and I know this [TS]
00:26:50 ◼ ► but it's worth it's worth pointing out why I still think it's evidence of the probing troll [TS]
00:26:57 ◼ ► If Nintendo's going to make a new traditional looking controller they should make something that is satisfactory to all [TS]
00:27:08 ◼ ► and this you know Apple's not going to make an adapter just for people who compete internationally as tournaments [TS]
00:27:15 ◼ ► there's just not enough of those people in the entire world this adapter is for the wide range of people who play Smash [TS]
00:27:20 ◼ ► and it's basically Nintendo admitting that even if you're not a professional Smash Brothers player we understand that [TS]
00:27:25 ◼ ► the probe for a controller is not is not is not better than the game controller So here you go we're actually going to [TS]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and again this is not a product that is only for competitive smash brother players they're going to sell way more of [TS]
00:27:46 ◼ ► Obviously to the people who be in tournaments yet this product is for them they want to wire the need reaction times [TS]
00:27:54 ◼ ► but I still feel like if Nintendo had made the way you program troll or so that it was. [TS]
00:28:04 ◼ ► and was perceived as such by customers it would not have felt the need to make a mass market product like this so you [TS]
00:28:10 ◼ ► can use your game controller smash bros again and I agree with them and I agree with popular opinion. [TS]
00:28:28 ◼ ► but that's why the game controller is not perfect is that the only reason that and the triggers are not great [TS]
00:28:37 ◼ ► That's part of the triggers the triggers are passable you can get by with them the triggers has something to recommend [TS]
00:28:43 ◼ ► them and but they're not that great but the main control the using games thumbstick buttons. [TS]
00:28:50 ◼ ► Like that's what you have your hand on the left thumb isn't some secure at the moment hitting a bunch of buttons the [TS]
00:28:54 ◼ ► Game Cube trailer is the current peak of controller design from intend controller design as far as I'm concerned. [TS]
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00:32:05 ◼ ► All right so we're actually in two main topics only thirty thirty five minutes into the show this might be a record for [TS]
00:32:15 ◼ ► Well let's talk about this Microsoft band of which I have not had time to read anything about outside of listening to [TS]
00:32:21 ◼ ► underscore David Smith's podcast about it or a pike S.F. Assert about it which we'll put in the show knows. [TS]
00:32:27 ◼ ► So what do you guys tell me what this is about. Not everyone at once. Yes in America. [TS]
00:32:38 ◼ ► but I don't know anything about it except that it looks like what appears to be a pretty decent wearable for an [TS]
00:32:47 ◼ ► and so I can't really talk about the usage of it although I underscore had a good post about his usage of it like why [TS]
00:32:54 ◼ ► and we'll link that up an assurance if you want to get sort of a hands on experience of using it I'm just sort of play [TS]
00:33:00 ◼ ► and there is this great sort of you know exploded view diagram at Microsoft dot com slash Microsoft type and band. [TS]
00:33:09 ◼ ► If you scroll to the very bottom of the page as well animation that shows how it's constructed [TS]
00:33:13 ◼ ► and it's is an interesting take on on how to get all the hardware they want into a band type shape so this thing is [TS]
00:33:22 ◼ ► aiming for it's kind of weird like it's not going to be like a full full fledged little computer on your wrist to the [TS]
00:33:28 ◼ ► same degree. Apple Watch is in that they don't expect you to do much on the screen much interacting in two D. [TS]
00:33:38 ◼ ► So it's kind of a one dimensional device where useless lighting white right and left but there's not a lot of up [TS]
00:33:44 ◼ ► and down does not even a lot of like hitting the top button or the bottom buttons a lot of like little side bars [TS]
00:33:50 ◼ ► and showing a little half a half a little letter poking off the other side of the screen so you know there's more over [TS]
00:33:55 ◼ ► there is you know which direction you know typical Windows Phone style Metro Uighur type. [TS]
00:34:01 ◼ ► So in that respect it's not like the Apple Watch where you've got the studio thing [TS]
00:34:05 ◼ ► and you could have different sets of buttons and a dial and all of her things like that. [TS]
00:34:13 ◼ ► Built in so you can go for a jog with it without having your phone with you to do the G.P.S. [TS]
00:34:17 ◼ ► Part of like tracking where your original route was and everything that is so smart. [TS]
00:34:32 ◼ ► and everything like that being underneath the sort of chunky top part of the watch they've split that start up stuff up [TS]
00:34:41 ◼ ► and the screen is on the outside of your wrist where you look at your watch which is an interesting way to keep the [TS]
00:34:49 ◼ ► but that means that the bottom of the watch sort of the part where class together has a lump a lump at the bottom of [TS]
00:34:54 ◼ ► the strap is going us where the sensors are and then to find a place to smuggle I think I can tell from the diagram [TS]
00:35:00 ◼ ► but I assume this is where the smuggling the batteries they put the batteries in the sides of the band they have little [TS]
00:35:16 ◼ ► What that means is the shape of this watch the shape of this band is kind of like a square as a stiff rigid screen on [TS]
00:35:23 ◼ ► the top there's a stiff rigid sensor bundle on the bottom and the left and right side is the sort of curved [TS]
00:35:33 ◼ ► and the the clasp that it just has like a little groove about an inch long groove that you can sort of slide it along [TS]
00:35:39 ◼ ► in the groove in whatever point the groove you want to just release the thing into a clause gravel in the group so [TS]
00:35:44 ◼ ► there is some size adjustability I think they offer the actual band in three sizes because this is not like the Apple [TS]
00:35:49 ◼ ► Watch where it's like a little computer and then a flexible band that you can adjust the length right. [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Like what I was thinking although not a quite a delegate about what I was thinking of in terms that you could take [TS]
00:36:04 ◼ ► advantage of the band to let you have more room to put hardware but Apple has made a very different choice here [TS]
00:36:10 ◼ ► and I think the biggest violin with these products is not like oh my gosh our band as U.B.S. [TS]
00:36:14 ◼ ► Of the magazine band has to work with all sorts of other phones who can just work with Windows Phone because it's like [TS]
00:36:19 ◼ ► a partisan ecosystem there's no one no one is into I think the big difference is that Microsoft's band is so clearly [TS]
00:36:27 ◼ ► An Apple Watch is so clearly focused on fashion at least half of its you know the effort of that product is of course [TS]
00:36:37 ◼ ► and computer we looking into have lumps we're going to make something look like jewelry [TS]
00:36:40 ◼ ► and we're not going to bring the band because that's supposed to be decorative interact with the device should be [TS]
00:36:44 ◼ ► decorative the band should be doctored the entire thing is to be decorative because it's a fashion accessory. [TS]
00:36:53 ◼ ► and that way perhaps it plays more to Microsoft's strengths because they've never been known to be a particularly [TS]
00:36:59 ◼ ► fashionable brand but anyway I think the really interesting design choice for Microsoft [TS]
00:37:10 ◼ ► or something that never actually ships or that ship for a year is a product that no one knew about [TS]
00:37:19 ◼ ► and the effort from Microsoft a big thumbs up in the same way that it kind of didn't like the whole Windows Metro's [TS]
00:37:24 ◼ ► things up over they kind of they're doing their own thing they're not trying to copy Apple they're not being Samsung [TS]
00:37:32 ◼ ► and I hope this has more more success in the market let's say the you know the various device like Windows Phone [TS]
00:37:41 ◼ ► If I was into fitness which is is pretty far from the truth then I would I would buy this I think no question because [TS]
00:37:48 ◼ ► I'm not into sadness. I don't have much of a use for it but I kind of like some of the tradeoffs they have made. [TS]
00:37:56 ◼ ► Why do you say just because you're not into fitness. This seems used. Most of you. [TS]
00:38:02 ◼ ► I mean it does it doesn't integration with I I saw the same it doesn't really read underscores thing about it like it's [TS]
00:38:07 ◼ ► kind of a preview I'm assuming you're not using with a Windows on the zen like it's it's like a one way communication [TS]
00:38:16 ◼ ► but he's getting the experience of being able to be notified on his wrist a little showbiz in the occasions [TS]
00:38:21 ◼ ► when he compared to he divided the fitness bands I mean to summarize his post here for longer than just reading it [TS]
00:38:25 ◼ ► aloud on the air but he's divided them into like the ones that are just always with you [TS]
00:38:31 ◼ ► and those necessarily you know they focus on just long battery life it's just a sensor attached to you [TS]
00:38:39 ◼ ► and then there are the ones that have screens but those have been like I have to be sleepy all the time. [TS]
00:38:43 ◼ ► I can't really do anything like a pebble or it's like Wake me up when you want to use me [TS]
00:38:47 ◼ ► and use me through some limited interface because I take a lot of energy to do all this stuff [TS]
00:39:04 ◼ ► and the thing is by the way it all up in a sense are there I can do the persistence of things [TS]
00:39:07 ◼ ► but it's also like these other devices where you can use it as a little computer I think does communicate with your i [TS]
00:39:14 ◼ ► and it underscores that it's basically this convinced him that he'll really like the Apple Watch with the Apple Watch [TS]
00:39:19 ◼ ► will be two way communication and I guess he won't care they have watches have G.P.S. [TS]
00:39:23 ◼ ► Because that's not again he's not into a fitness type thing. The Apple Watch will count your steps. [TS]
00:39:28 ◼ ► That's all you care about if you want to map your route then you have to run with your your i Phone [TS]
00:39:34 ◼ ► In the Apple Watch is like three generations away from being a moot point because they'll go at it since they can [TS]
00:39:42 ◼ ► but there is not picking on you Marcus because I think this is basically a pebble but better done and with a G.P.S. [TS]
00:39:50 ◼ ► and I don't view it building on what underscore and John were just saying I don't view it as just a fit with a G.P.S.. [TS]
00:40:00 ◼ ► And my understanding of what I heard on developing perspective was it uses the same sort of A P I's that for example [TS]
00:40:06 ◼ ► will let you rule that I drive uses in your car so that you can read your text messages on the screen if you set it up [TS]
00:40:16 ◼ ► You know it all it's doing is saying hey you just got a text message and here's a text message [TS]
00:40:26 ◼ ► but nevertheless at least you can see something there yet meaning in the trial because I I am also curious just to see [TS]
00:40:36 ◼ ► But that being said I mean we're going to we're going to be getting watch kit this month supposedly So I think I think [TS]
00:40:45 ◼ ► and I was fans this might just be a temporary distraction for the next five months until we have a watch. [TS]
00:40:51 ◼ ► Well now to score being his typical super industrious self is like he's got to get this so he knows that the utility is [TS]
00:41:01 ◼ ► and how this man possibly like there may be more than one of any of us checked to see if well I don't know how he does [TS]
00:41:06 ◼ ► as much as always the same guy way because he could be like one of seven identical anyway. [TS]
00:41:16 ◼ ► but this gives him a chance to see what kind of applications would be good on this device [TS]
00:41:21 ◼ ► when the avalanche comes along he will know he will have a top ten list of the applications he's going to make. [TS]
00:41:36 ◼ ► or guess of being developed underscore probably made seven apps like everyone else look bad you know. [TS]
00:41:45 ◼ ► and you're right I mean if I had just a pool of money to just sit it just sitting there for me to waste away on silly [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► A feature set seems very neat to me like you were saying John it's not aesthetically the most pleasing thing the world [TS]
00:42:11 ◼ ► But only time will you know it's too bad that because it's Microsoft everyone just kind of fluffs it off immediately [TS]
00:42:19 ◼ ► because as a friend of the show Ben Thompson saying the chat a minute ago you know the old Microsoft Microsoft this is [TS]
00:42:28 ◼ ► And John you were you're talk about this really really trying to do something different and unique [TS]
00:42:31 ◼ ► and a lot of times I think they hit the nail really close to the head than anyone gives him credit for. [TS]
00:42:38 ◼ ► And so it's kind of a bummer to me that that nobody's really given them any credit from what I can tell. [TS]
00:42:45 ◼ ► Well it that's not really the problem the problem isn't isn't credit. The problem is action. [TS]
00:42:49 ◼ ► So it's the same thing that happened with web Oh S. Same thing happening with Windows Phone. [TS]
00:42:55 ◼ ► Webber Webber last round of money that's on Microsoft's from well well that's why it's so the same thing happened where [TS]
00:43:05 ◼ ► and they were like oh you know what this is really interesting everyone's interesting but this is really progressive [TS]
00:43:21 ◼ ► but I'm not going to buy this instead of an i Phone And so I think this is going to have the same kind of problem which [TS]
00:43:27 ◼ ► is you have this device for Microsoft right before this you know probably big device from Apple right. [TS]
00:43:36 ◼ ► So you have this device from Microsoft that we're looking at now and saying this is really interesting. [TS]
00:43:43 ◼ ► This might be really interesting there you know this is it they're doing a good job. [TS]
00:43:47 ◼ ► But how many people who say this are going to be using one of these in a year instead of an apple watch. [TS]
00:43:53 ◼ ► Well they have the same problem as Apple of old did where at a certain point it becomes like no matter what. [TS]
00:44:08 ◼ ► but you know come on real computers use Windows like it's a side show you're not interested in once you kind of get out [TS]
00:44:13 ◼ ► of that position once people start thinking of you as not not part of the mainstream not part of like the real thing. [TS]
00:44:22 ◼ ► Then it's really difficult to ever to ever jump back up in the previous position where did you get people to like say [TS]
00:44:29 ◼ ► I'm actually going to buy that because it starts to feel like I'm not going to buy a Mac. I'm a P.C. [TS]
00:44:34 ◼ ► Guy Macs don't run the programs that I want to not familiar with how they work it just everything builds on top of [TS]
00:44:39 ◼ ► and it becomes insurmountable the only way Apple itself out of it was with these spectacular flashy products initially [TS]
00:44:45 ◼ ► flashy in ways they really weren't that's a you know substantial of like you know using fashion again why why do people [TS]
00:44:50 ◼ ► care of the IMAX was just a computer like it was an OK Computer It wasn't a bad computer [TS]
00:45:04 ◼ ► but doing it so much better than the other ones like and so is this so much better than the Apple Watch No it's not. [TS]
00:45:10 ◼ ► but they must feel like Microsoft must feel like Apple did where it's like we're making good stuff like it's not bad [TS]
00:45:24 ◼ ► If we're making something it's like a present as good as something like and we get no market share [TS]
00:45:33 ◼ ► but you know on the other hand I was you know a little bit of glee about the fact that they're in the position that I'm [TS]
00:45:43 ◼ ► when I think about ring to them like you know what if they if they got control they would just start making products I [TS]
00:45:49 ◼ ► or make me sad you know you set a goal if we make a part of the eighty percent is good then it's just a market share [TS]
00:45:53 ◼ ► and the problem is like something like this I think most people are going to have one wrist wearable at most most. [TS]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Zero but but you know I think that the most Somebody will have is likely to be one [TS]
00:46:13 ◼ ► And that's always that's the problem like most people don't carry two cell phones. [TS]
00:46:16 ◼ ► Most people carry ones at least that they buy themselves most of the carry one cell phone most of them and then a P.C. [TS]
00:46:23 ◼ ► Was like a two thousand dollar investment you don't replace it every two years these type of devices are small enough [TS]
00:46:27 ◼ ► and there's enough like advancement in the field they do like for a lot of people would try the i Phone or try [TS]
00:46:36 ◼ ► but it just feels like it's it's not as big of a commitment to get back to what you said earlier about the ecosystem [TS]
00:46:50 ◼ ► or you know what was that Courier project that they had with like member that was like a tablet that open up like a [TS]
00:46:58 ◼ ► So it seems like Microsoft may not may be kind of a hostile environment to innovation at this point [TS]
00:47:05 ◼ ► Yeah like the social smartphone platform that they made like two of those from the side to guys and they died [TS]
00:47:15 ◼ ► but hard times the products are like have something to recommend them but just like the decision about [TS]
00:47:20 ◼ ► when to release it when to announce it and whether this is going to be using you follow through with [TS]
00:47:24 ◼ ► and if it's not going to be then you fall through it like don't don't release the can line on the hopes like hey who [TS]
00:47:29 ◼ ► knows maybe we'll take it off but we probably don't think it will it is actually kind of a crappy product [TS]
00:47:40 ◼ ► and then just say well you know let's just get rid of that you know like I know a couple who are excited [TS]
00:47:45 ◼ ► but we don't really like it and don't show it like all the other things that Apple tries out internally [TS]
00:47:49 ◼ ► and gets rid of we never hear about those That's what you have to do it you really really have to pick what they're [TS]
00:48:21 ◼ ► when it is NOT have pictures of it I mean to not you know for all of the various like T.V. [TS]
00:48:28 ◼ ► and all the watch prototypes that Apple made like we got the first thing we got to see out of Apple that was like a [TS]
00:48:42 ◼ ► Apple's much better about deciding which products are good enough to go out the door [TS]
00:48:46 ◼ ► and once a product does go out the door giving it a fair shot and putting the full weight of the company behind it [TS]
00:48:56 ◼ ► While I don't know if either of you guys have seen much of this but watching the N.F.L. [TS]
00:49:01 ◼ ► These days is just a series of face palms because everywhere you see these bright blue Microsoft Surface tablet [TS]
00:49:18 ◼ ► and I know it's a thing it happens everywhere and how Apple does it constantly but I don't know maybe I am biased [TS]
00:49:25 ◼ ► but it just seems to me that it's done in a much more subtle way like I'm thinking of house for example you would see [TS]
00:49:35 ◼ ► It's like here's the bright blue surface and there's a row of bright blue surfaces on the commentator staff Cindy. [TS]
00:49:42 ◼ ► Here it is on the sidelines and on the Microsoft Surface they're reviewing the play right now [TS]
00:50:00 ◼ ► In previous seasons everybody had i Phones and stuff. This season every computing device you see is a Microsoft device. [TS]
00:50:07 ◼ ► Every character is carrying a Windows phone and using it proudly like holding up constantly [TS]
00:50:12 ◼ ► and every computer that you see on the desk is it is a surface or at least running Windows eight [TS]
00:50:21 ◼ ► and like you know it so that you have all these like screens and you have Microsoft in your face [TS]
00:50:34 ◼ ► Is that also it violates both these things like you shouldn't notice that they're beating you over the head with this [TS]
00:50:45 ◼ ► and it seems like everyone's using Apple products amongst our products and the cool people or something like that [TS]
00:50:50 ◼ ► and you're not supposed to notice a wow they're really beating me over the head with this one kind of product. And B. [TS]
00:50:57 ◼ ► This is so unrealistic because in reality I know for a fact that these things are not good enough [TS]
00:51:07 ◼ ► and the chat room is going to Zircon we would even I was trying to I want to take credit for this I didn't for once I [TS]
00:51:12 ◼ ► think it's going from the chat room I saw the start and I was with the I.R.S. This is on C.N.N. [TS]
00:51:18 ◼ ► and The same type deal they have some kind of product placement deal with muggers or services [TS]
00:51:22 ◼ ► and you can tell it's a service from the back because it sort of has that you know iconic kickstand that they have you [TS]
00:51:27 ◼ ► know at the back of the service looks like a little thing falls out so it looks like he's all right [TS]
00:51:32 ◼ ► and so what you see is a series of eagles sitting in front of all the different commentators. [TS]
00:51:37 ◼ ► when they have camera shots from the side what you can see here is a lot of the commentators have an i Pad that they're [TS]
00:51:42 ◼ ► sort of using behind the surface like a shield you know if you can see that they're using the i Pad either is the i Pad [TS]
00:51:48 ◼ ► is resting against the surface like it actually literally is an easel or they just have an i Pad in their hands [TS]
00:51:53 ◼ ► and that's not good for Microsoft it's not good at all. It's so bad I don't know it's just you know. [TS]
00:52:03 ◼ ► and so there's there's always going to be a special soft spot in my heart for Microsoft [TS]
00:52:08 ◼ ► but so much of what Microsoft does is so cheesy and silly and this is some of it in makes me sad. [TS]
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00:54:41 ◼ ► What we're talking about this. Yeah well OK what else we talked about what did news happen. [TS]
00:54:46 ◼ ► No I think this is a topic I mean it's not news news but it's one of those things that people complain about [TS]
00:54:54 ◼ ► and the more I think about it the more it reveals to me something that Apple like something Apple's doing it just [TS]
00:55:02 ◼ ► and Quinn to them because the people who are upset about US bashing my get on to something that Microsoft does much [TS]
00:55:07 ◼ ► better than Apple and I don't really understand why Apple is doing with that view. [TS]
00:55:15 ◼ ► When you have the new version of our year you know I don't think I have on the Mac. [TS]
00:55:19 ◼ ► I think probably have and I didn't like freon I.O.'s or comes free with your devices [TS]
00:55:31 ◼ ► And the file formats are weird but it's about how they're handling backward compatibility [TS]
00:55:44 ◼ ► and so the detail of it here is basically if you get the new version of I work you can't open files created with any [TS]
00:55:53 ◼ ► If you try to do that I work to techs that you're trying to open a document from something earlier than I was going on [TS]
00:55:59 ◼ ► and. As you should find a copy of our work around our nine open the file with that instead. [TS]
00:56:05 ◼ ► And so this is sort of leaving behind your own file format from not that long ago like less than a decade certainly [TS]
00:56:15 ◼ ► Whatever it is those documents can't be opened by the new version and a lot of the time [TS]
00:56:22 ◼ ► when Apple sort of races forward leaving behind legacy things whether it's you know ditching everything several U.S.B. [TS]
00:56:27 ◼ ► On the original IMAX or you know dropping support for an A.P.I. or Some hardware they were never like. [TS]
00:56:34 ◼ ► There's a reason like it helps them to make you know it helps them get ahead of their competition because they're not [TS]
00:56:44 ◼ ► and make the new shiny thing without worrying about dragging along with the baggage of backward compatibility because [TS]
00:56:50 ◼ ► the baggage just gets bigger and bigger especially if you have a successful product in your past. [TS]
00:56:55 ◼ ► Eventually all your time is spent trying to like support the past instead of worrying about the future so you can never [TS]
00:57:04 ◼ ► or should be applied to file formats because it's not as if we're asking the old file formats be supported forever in [TS]
00:57:12 ◼ ► All I think most recently of or asking is if I create a bunch of documents that I work over the years [TS]
00:57:24 ◼ ► As long as it does the conversion it's not lost me like it does look fine in the old version I worked [TS]
00:57:29 ◼ ► when I converted to the new version though all my fonts are screwed up and everything was broken [TS]
00:57:32 ◼ ► or whatever you just for file format to build compatibility making new file formats for example one of the reasons I [TS]
00:57:39 ◼ ► speculated that maybe new file formats that are leagues of archives and stuff is for better compatibility with I.I.S. [TS]
00:57:45 ◼ ► Because they wanted to unify the code base is fine it's a perfectly valid reason to change the file format [TS]
00:57:50 ◼ ► and maybe you can argue if it's a good reason to dumb down the feature set to the common set of functionality that can [TS]
00:57:56 ◼ ► work on i OS on the web and on an i Pad anyway whatever they're going to do that. It's fine. [TS]
00:58:01 ◼ ► But by not reading the old five thousand for Matz it shows a lack of respect for the work the people done with previous [TS]
00:58:07 ◼ ► versions of this program especially since probably the pre I worked on versions are going to stop working on modern [TS]
00:58:12 ◼ ► expertise and that's the thing that Bill does which I think that does have a reason [TS]
00:58:15 ◼ ► but you have to support the old file format because if you don't what you're say going to people [TS]
00:58:19 ◼ ► and Apple said this to people in Iraq and also in pretty much everything you've ever done on the web. [TS]
00:58:25 ◼ ► Do not trust us with your data. Make a bunch of picture galleries in like you know dot Mac. [TS]
00:58:31 ◼ ► Well those are going to be gone and we switch over to the moldy galleries make a bunch of moldy websites with I web. [TS]
00:58:37 ◼ ► Oh I was not supporting the more I hope you didn't hope you didn't write too much in your little blog that you made. [TS]
00:58:42 ◼ ► We're converting over to this thing and by the way there's no way to get that content back out [TS]
00:58:48 ◼ ► and you can't open them up I hope you save version of our a nine which by the way won't run on the computer you buy [TS]
00:58:54 ◼ ► Telling everybody you do not trust Apple with your data because we will abandon it we will race ahead. [TS]
00:59:00 ◼ ► We will leave behind like I feel so bad for people who like we've got a lot of work and I will Web sites and that tool. [TS]
00:59:12 ◼ ► and put them up on the hosting that was part of your service that you bought was not a very good program. [TS]
00:59:17 ◼ ► The results are not very nice but the bottom line is people dragged in the pictures and typed lots of words [TS]
00:59:28 ◼ ► I remember that year I was going around to kill my family and trying to find a way to like pull down the file [TS]
00:59:34 ◼ ► and modify the link so they would still work locally so they can just have a local copy because people invested time in [TS]
00:59:39 ◼ ► that and Apple has no respect for the time that people spend and I am a file formats. [TS]
00:59:45 ◼ ► but in making word processing document so the lesson of teaching everybody is don't use our programs are Web services. [TS]
00:59:51 ◼ ► If you care about being able to open this thing or view this thing in five or ten years and I think Apple's probably. [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► and what is done with the web probably is probably the worst of the big companies like you know Apple Microsoft Amazon [TS]
01:00:06 ◼ ► or whatever in breaking compatibility with no way for real you know sort of like importer export option [TS]
01:00:14 ◼ ► I don't I'm angry about it I don't even use I work and by the way I don't work for this and many other reasons. [TS]
01:00:20 ◼ ► I mean part of the problem. You're definitely right. I agree with everything you said. [TS]
01:00:29 ◼ ► and I work in part that one of the parts of the problem is that Iraq doesn't get a lot of attention from Apple. [TS]
01:00:35 ◼ ► There's a reason like there was literally no new update from two thousand and nine until two thousand and thirteen [TS]
01:00:42 ◼ ► and the two thousand thirteen versions were not written during that whole time they were written at the last minute [TS]
01:00:52 ◼ ► and I was very fond of the web version of the mac regime and try to make them all work on the same thing [TS]
01:00:56 ◼ ► and all work together like that seems like what they put the effort in that's probably not your right a multi-year [TS]
01:01:04 ◼ ► but the result was a program that didn't satisfy people because that that synchronization between the platforms sort of [TS]
01:01:11 ◼ ► dumbed down the applications to the common subset of functionality there or across all of them [TS]
01:01:19 ◼ ► but yeah going to just I don't I don't think it's because they didn't put enough effort into it because it seems like [TS]
01:01:26 ◼ ► an input a lot of resources into or they just they just put them towards the wrong things. [TS]
01:01:30 ◼ ► Well I mean the I work file formats have always been kind of a disaster so like the first versions of my work before oh [TS]
01:01:36 ◼ ► They say the everything as a as a MAC bundle which for those who don't know a bundle [TS]
01:01:42 ◼ ► or a package whatever it's called a package is just a directory with the housing boom guys like special flags to make [TS]
01:01:54 ◼ ► but I said no that's classic Michael I believe it's the finder that interprets them as something other than a directory [TS]
01:02:02 ◼ ► It looks like exactly what it is a directory with a bunch of files in it right so that the first versions of i work [TS]
01:02:07 ◼ ► there file format was these these fake files which are actually directories full of other files [TS]
01:02:18 ◼ ► Biggest thing is email attachments and secondarily you also can't put them in and upload forms and Web sites [TS]
01:02:26 ◼ ► and the file input type because those expect single files and these are actually directories [TS]
01:02:33 ◼ ► when you couldn't really email these things around very easily through most email servers or email programs [TS]
01:02:41 ◼ ► If it had to bounce through windows you couldn't email these files around from this office suite of applications like [TS]
01:02:46 ◼ ► that was a pretty stupid move really. And so then in the later version I think in the own nine version they moved to. [TS]
01:02:58 ◼ ► If you do rescue I file there is a file that was just all that data shoved into this container which is a much better [TS]
01:03:08 ◼ ► I think the new versions they were some kind of have to look this up and write this up and link to it. [TS]
01:03:13 ◼ ► There were some kind of move it was a it was a move like a step backwards because the justification was this is going [TS]
01:03:23 ◼ ► and I Cloud documents and mac and everything because it's because of the structure they've picked. [TS]
01:03:28 ◼ ► Regardless the file formats of always kind of been a disaster that is changing radically [TS]
01:03:36 ◼ ► and it just seems like it seems like they used the I work team is not getting the resources it needs [TS]
01:03:49 ◼ ► and I use I work I don't use my forever because I hardly ever need Office programs so it's not worth me buying office. [TS]
01:03:55 ◼ ► You know I just use I work stuff and get away with it just fine and I do use views I work. [TS]
01:04:06 ◼ ► I use this you know not not every day but I use it regularly and I know these programs pretty well now [TS]
01:04:13 ◼ ► and they're just they're always like seventy five percent of the way there and they could be so good [TS]
01:04:21 ◼ ► but it just seems like they don't get attention from Apple and I think what you're saying is true. [TS]
01:04:26 ◼ ► It's very fair what you're saying especially about things like you know the little me photo galleries [TS]
01:04:35 ◼ ► I think with I work I think it's mostly just an issue of these apps getting no love from Apple [TS]
01:04:47 ◼ ► but like it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were going to write in support for the for the new apps to rebuild [TS]
01:04:53 ◼ ► formats and it just got cut because they don't have the time because they didn't give this project [TS]
01:04:59 ◼ ► Well they have a thing where they put out a version to drop a huge number of features [TS]
01:05:06 ◼ ► Right yeah that's the that's one thirteen version which is still I think worse than the previous [TS]
01:05:14 ◼ ► but I fall people are doing is like you know which used to be like the one the best program [TS]
01:05:19 ◼ ► and that suite is like ever in those keynote is likely getting worse over time not better [TS]
01:05:25 ◼ ► One support backwards compatibility support for their file formats by forever basically like they are the masters of [TS]
01:05:35 ◼ ► and it's not like my cousin didn't change their formats they went to you know as a file for the X.M.L. [TS]
01:05:46 ◼ ► when they advance they tried to be compatible because like that's their big selling point if you make documents in Microsoft [TS]
01:05:55 ◼ ► and like it was a split in form between ninety seven ninety five and people were freaking out or whatever I don't. [TS]
01:06:20 ◼ ► and the other thing Microsoft has done with a few bumps in the road like you know Word six of the mac an old saw that [TS]
01:06:27 ◼ ► They tend to make their programs better with time to program to get faster documents open faster they have more [TS]
01:06:32 ◼ ► features they wouldn't like if one version of a program had really interesting typographic controls the next version [TS]
01:06:39 ◼ ► the program were not drop all those features because like they're not possible I us are camped on the web [TS]
01:06:44 ◼ ► or something like that would never do that there's no there's no major regression in functionality without some good [TS]
01:06:50 ◼ ► reason like Oh we're we're definitely in the Access database so forget about that whole integration like you know [TS]
01:06:55 ◼ ► but just just like hey this this thing adds a new ability to tweak the kerning on text in the next versions of yeah you [TS]
01:07:05 ◼ ► and if you're going to talk you know that a custom kerning we're just going to show it a different way. [TS]
01:07:11 ◼ ► Over time the reason will of software as it gets better faster stronger you know it does not sort of stumble along OK [TS]
01:07:22 ◼ ► File formats get abandoned the navigation changes it looks in ways that are seem like a lateral moves items move around [TS]
01:07:30 ◼ ► the interface for no discernible reason that is the web version you don't care about like other any like rabbit I work [TS]
01:07:46 ◼ ► You know what's funny is this wasn't listening to what Mark of it said about how I work you know eighty percent of the [TS]
01:07:51 ◼ ► way there I feel like so many of the things you just said about I work you could make a reasonable substitution of say [TS]
01:08:08 ◼ ► but you know yeah I think it's not fair for I was paid i Cloud like but I would say it is not worse than I was seven [TS]
01:08:16 ◼ ► and it adds a bunch of things that you felt like you would be happy if you had them like I was didn't stench that was a [TS]
01:08:25 ◼ ► You know my point was when when Marco was saying you know it's so close but it's not quite there. [TS]
01:08:32 ◼ ► but you know it seems like you could say that about a lot of things like so great example is [TS]
01:08:37 ◼ ► and I was the ordering of the extensions in the share sheets I think that's what it is wherever the one password icon [TS]
01:08:44 ◼ ► lives how you could at least put one you had you could have a one password extension. [TS]
01:08:49 ◼ ► Yet when you tried to reorder what the order of those extensions were the order got reset constantly. [TS]
01:08:57 ◼ ► Now I believe that's been fixed in the latest beta but that's a great example of how you were so close [TS]
01:09:07 ◼ ► and even i Cloud which I had stumbled on the long term you have to say i Cloud Drive versus basically everything else [TS]
01:09:15 ◼ ► I can't drive is better than a cloud get versus everything else they've done in the same room. It is better. [TS]
01:09:23 ◼ ► when you have a long running program like I work for a long running suite like I work that in [TS]
01:09:28 ◼ ► and around for a long time is not updated on sort of on a regular basis such that you just often wonder like of the [TS]
01:09:35 ◼ ► product dead or that is not going to do it anymore like i Life was the same way with a ring I like for the years [TS]
01:09:46 ◼ ► and then they release a point update to give the over to working like well the Someone's got to be some of their [TS]
01:09:50 ◼ ► working on it because they're doing some work to make sure it works with the new US like vs Microsoft Office back in [TS]
01:09:56 ◼ ► its heyday especially was like regular updates you know they're going to keep trying to make. [TS]
01:10:04 ◼ ► or they employed a new crazy man using an office because Microsoft is organized like a like a crazy. [TS]
01:10:19 ◼ ► and so many things with Apple are sort of like speculative abandonware just like Mark I was the one. [TS]
01:10:33 ◼ ► and I don't I mean the macro is speculative abandonware hardware for the longest time [TS]
01:10:39 ◼ ► and you have to it has to be set at some point like maybe it has something to do with the fact that Apple feels like it [TS]
01:10:47 ◼ ► or can't sell the software anymore that everything has to be free that even the stuff that used to be four hundred [TS]
01:10:54 ◼ ► You know like if if I work could be priced at something other than when you guys are saying it's reality [TS]
01:11:08 ◼ ► but if they feel like they just have to give it away for free is a perk to try to make their hard or valuable. [TS]
01:11:13 ◼ ► I don't see how a bunch of mediocre mediocre crappy programs make their hardware more valuable you know I mean [TS]
01:11:19 ◼ ► but that's not you're not adding value no one is going over and if you get a nihilist [TS]
01:11:23 ◼ ► and used to be a member I used to be like you know I like what it's like if you want to get I live you have to get a [TS]
01:11:32 ◼ ► Oh yeah people play with grunt in the store and like oh my God if I got a mac I could make music right. [TS]
01:11:37 ◼ ► Delisle they have I for one know snow you have to have a mac like it was a system seller it was like all these things [TS]
01:11:42 ◼ ► that you know I know I have a computer and people tell me I can use it to make movies to make music to burn C.D.'s [TS]
01:11:48 ◼ ► but I know I personally can't use those things because it's way too complicated I would know where to begin [TS]
01:11:51 ◼ ► and I lived was like hey we will make you successful at doing these things that you know are possible with a computer [TS]
01:12:05 ◼ ► Oh no good you know like if you know I work I could never do or processing before. It's not it's not a system seller. [TS]
01:12:13 ◼ ► and I think you're I mean I don't think it's a pricing issue at all I don't think they ever sold high enough volumes of [TS]
01:12:28 ◼ ► and you know not only not only from like an independent perspective like it's an insurance policy against Microsoft [TS]
01:12:34 ◼ ► ever stopping making office for Macs. First of all and it's also to serve their I O. S. [TS]
01:12:41 ◼ ► Interest to say look at how useful like the i Pad which really need some help right now. [TS]
01:12:51 ◼ ► and they can say look it runs all these Office apps because if Microsoft office pool for a while most of my jobs didn't [TS]
01:12:57 ◼ ► exist on the i Pad Now it does but you know who knows if if it always will or how good it will always be. [TS]
01:13:05 ◼ ► and say look you can get for this for this one low price of this i Pad that might be three years old a five for this [TS]
01:13:19 ◼ ► and you should really buy this i Pad because of it and you're going to get all this work done [TS]
01:13:23 ◼ ► and the problem is that you know so that's that's again the strategy tactic that's well they're not really that's their [TS]
01:13:29 ◼ ► goal is to make their hardware sell more units that would make most of their money. [TS]
01:13:40 ◼ ► The weird thing is that with Iowa State now they've essentially given Microsoft all the tools needed to do the thing [TS]
01:13:47 ◼ ► that previously would save all the Apple display only apples are going to ever bother to make it an office type suite [TS]
01:13:55 ◼ ► On the mac with the same file format all sharing between all synchronous But now with the advent of I. [TS]
01:14:00 ◼ ► Dr Yosemite Iowa State extension is that Microsoft the reason Microsoft can't unify its office suite across all of its [TS]
01:14:07 ◼ ► platform to using one driver whatever their services and having that integrated into i OS [TS]
01:14:11 ◼ ► and having that available on Macs and you know like not only Apple can do this now [TS]
01:14:17 ◼ ► and I wonder if Apple would be like relieved if someone of pick someone else picked up the mantle of because what Apple [TS]
01:14:28 ◼ ► If you do it on a website if you do it on your i was device it's all the same document it's all the same program it you [TS]
01:14:37 ◼ ► With a native interface in each one of those things with a feature set the same across all of them so on [TS]
01:14:44 ◼ ► But if you do it with a bunch of mediocre applications the sort of unification they're going for I don't think that is [TS]
01:14:55 ◼ ► when you know if I was more like really I know how to do that in Word I know how to make pivot tables in Excel I don't [TS]
01:15:00 ◼ ► know anything about numbers I don't know what this page thing is and it's weird and it's kind of buggy [TS]
01:15:07 ◼ ► and you know like that's why Office is still popular because Microsoft world's weirdness [TS]
01:15:17 ◼ ► You know like if you make your documents in this you'll be able to open them will do a good job of compatibility will [TS]
01:15:25 ◼ ► I mean again it's been some of that to us like if you're going to run the Windows version of Office looks different on [TS]
01:15:30 ◼ ► Where in this font differences there's a whole thing about the Macs being what is it January one thousand know for [TS]
01:15:37 ◼ ► but is different than a Windows box all your dates in your powerpoint to be offset in like there are always problems. [TS]
01:15:47 ◼ ► They're defeating themselves like you know stop hating yourself Apple like they're punching themselves [TS]
01:15:51 ◼ ► and not not a contender in this race and to put the devil's advocate for a second here. All the characters. [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Six that make Microsoft so good and reliable at being an office software supplier. [TS]
01:16:07 ◼ ► and unable to compete in a lot of consumer space because all those values like you need you need the opposite [TS]
01:16:12 ◼ ► characteristics to make a lot of these to make a lot of great products in the spaces that we care more about these days. [TS]
01:16:17 ◼ ► But that being said you know a lot of Apple's problems are just botched execution or bad decisions. [TS]
01:16:24 ◼ ► Similar You know the people in point earlier like you could make a lot of the same arguments about Final Cut Pro tent [TS]
01:16:30 ◼ ► when that came out that like it was Apple clearly like moving the ball forward way too aggressively [TS]
01:16:40 ◼ ► and angering every user of this of these of the software he's sickly I think found the protests more defensible because [TS]
01:16:49 ◼ ► they were moving forward they felt like they I think they miscalculated their power. [TS]
01:16:53 ◼ ► Maybe like they thought they can make this great leap and they would leave some people behind [TS]
01:17:01 ◼ ► and in the end it will work out they could bring they could bring their market you know they can bring everybody had [TS]
01:17:07 ◼ ► with them there would be stragglers people would grumble about kind of like O S ten it was kind of a mess in the [TS]
01:17:11 ◼ ► beginning. People grumble but in the end the greatness of it compelled everyone to move along. [TS]
01:17:17 ◼ ► And plus they got to the other audience of people who were never ends in the negatives as you know if anything has a [TS]
01:17:24 ◼ ► They did essentially the same thing with Final Cut Pro It was also combined with like the crazy price drop thing like [TS]
01:17:30 ◼ ► forget about I work being like you know although I was never sustain yourself then the things were sold I think the [TS]
01:17:34 ◼ ► props were much closer sustaining themselves as as you know marketable products in their own right [TS]
01:17:42 ◼ ► and say like now you can't be two hundred dollars anywhere you go he said you know I'm boxes like this [TS]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and Max will charge and so now you know they're not sustainable and they get less updates [TS]
01:17:49 ◼ ► and produce anything didn't work out the way they wanted to and it just but a series of miscalculations [TS]
01:17:55 ◼ ► and the pro apps are not are not things that are trying to help themselves are hardware. [TS]
01:18:00 ◼ ► It is not that there's just too small of a market they were they were for Apple is for a while in the business of [TS]
01:18:05 ◼ ► selling software to two pros and they seem to have sort of in the same way the law since you're selling X. or X. [TS]
01:18:12 ◼ ► or Raid and everything seemed to have lost interest in pro software cancelling programs there are the careful shake [TS]
01:18:20 ◼ ► Proton I thought I thought I thought the proton was a good idea it just didn't quite work out as well for them as you [TS]
01:18:35 ◼ ► Last few years you see like almost every hardware product Apple has made in the last in the last three to five years [TS]
01:18:43 ◼ ► Like there's been very few exceptions to that and yet on the software side they're just crumbling [TS]
01:18:52 ◼ ► I really worry about them because it used to be that they move much more slowly and were much smaller [TS]
01:19:04 ◼ ► and all of this was that's what carried their brand for so long that's why people would buy Apple products because it [TS]
01:19:12 ◼ ► would quote just work because they would be better they would they would be more stable they would be more intuitive [TS]
01:19:22 ◼ ► and in the last few years this has crumbled so far that I don't necessarily think we I mean the species have gotten [TS]
01:19:31 ◼ ► but I think the Apple platform no longer has that that highground nearly as much as it used to if if it still has it [TS]
01:19:40 ◼ ► Maybe not in the application space in the space like and I know a lot of people complain about somebody [TS]
01:19:45 ◼ ► but you know like I said through like I upgrade all my machines sooner and sooner or later [TS]
01:19:51 ◼ ► and I have great everything and it's just been remarkably problem free. I was eight not so much which is where. [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► Because they're like more important platform. I was it was super buggy for me I still occasionally can't copy the U.R.L. [TS]
01:20:06 ◼ ► and Paste it into another application I have no idea why I might one now has me insane [TS]
01:20:12 ◼ ► and no I don't have one password installed and no I don't have any custom keywords installed mysterious [TS]
01:20:20 ◼ ► Oh I spent at least those guys are doing a good job I mean you can starve you about whether they want to you really are [TS]
01:20:25 ◼ ► this is stuff but then you look at their application software that's not part of the O. S. [TS]
01:20:30 ◼ ► Any applications over the non-profit Yes I think this came up on one of our progress in the past it was like Name an [TS]
01:20:38 ◼ ► and that that is it is an example apple to apple design award for people who don't know there is a shining example of [TS]
01:20:51 ◼ ► Like the whole I like it was pretty amazing it's like you know they are the original version [TS]
01:20:58 ◼ ► Now I don't think anyone said that about i Phone no mo save anything I work suite like I don't think Apple is leading [TS]
01:21:06 ◼ ► in software. By saying if you are awesome. These are the kind of mac apps you would make. [TS]
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01:22:38 ◼ ► and I know many times that I talked about what I don't like about you to have heard it before right. [TS]
01:22:44 ◼ ► I'm sure I have but I don't remember which now I'm giving you giving you the excuse to TELL ME MORE. [TS]
01:22:48 ◼ ► Remember I put links in the chat room so people can look at them the way you probably go [TS]
01:22:55 ◼ ► and the games you control I guess in the way you probably go it if you look at it in your hand you like oh like like [TS]
01:23:00 ◼ ► any Nintendo peripheral they make solid hardware in that like not to say it indestructible but it's pretty darn tough. [TS]
01:23:14 ◼ ► and it was really good in their meetings on harbor so this feels like a solid product [TS]
01:23:19 ◼ ► and if you listen to my head I know Woodstock link link the hypercritical episodes a couple times to ever go to those I [TS]
01:23:29 ◼ ► The main problem with the broken troll is that the the right thumbstick is the place where the button should be sort of [TS]
01:23:45 ◼ ► but even then I like the Tiger surrounds of the stakes and they have rounds around. [TS]
01:23:50 ◼ ► I don't like having uniform buttons that are all the same size laid out in a diamond pattern because not everybody is [TS]
01:23:55 ◼ ► equally important in games most have a main button in the secondary but encourage Cheri buttons. [TS]
01:24:01 ◼ ► So like it's you know almost every way the controller can can be inferior to the game controller it is except the D. [TS]
01:24:08 ◼ ► Pad which is much better and the triggers are probably better to and the build quality is maybe a little bit. [TS]
01:24:16 ◼ ► and of course it's wireless in the US be chargeable and all that modern technology type stuff [TS]
01:24:20 ◼ ► but now that's why I don't like the way you've broken TROY That's why nobody likes to be perfect. [TS]
01:24:24 ◼ ► That's right nobody an entire universe what I'm saying is there's not a single person in the world like that where you [TS]
01:24:32 ◼ ► and the mother of the design of my please email John I was every time I say that I don't like like wait a second are [TS]
01:24:39 ◼ ► you saying that nobody likes a control I like I had a pony you know that reference. [TS]
01:24:44 ◼ ► No no that's OK I gotta say I guess over games you enjoy life out of a culture that I saw [TS]
01:24:52 ◼ ► Minton box Well it's in box anyway the box is moment and point as hasn't been opened. [TS]
01:25:15 ◼ ► No I got the phone that everyone gets sixty four black space grey please. Right yeah. [TS]
01:25:26 ◼ ► The phone is not the kind of life the black leather case you have exactly my phone or will have exactly my phone [TS]
01:25:33 ◼ ► and mine. I considered getting a red one but I just kinda the case the colored cases do not wear gracefully. [TS]
01:25:43 ◼ ► Like I I definitely think you're making the right move getting the case and I question whether making getting a six [TS]
01:25:53 ◼ ► Now c'mon I'm going to finally buy an iphone after like you know six years I'm going. [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► By generational law not going to happen. I had one for a week I know what I'm getting into it I had to be surprised. [TS]
01:26:07 ◼ ► So Marco if you were to buy a new phone tomorrow this success is out and you can get it in in four [TS]
01:26:23 ◼ ► Sure it's identical in every way except that it's physically smaller battery life. [TS]
01:26:36 ◼ ► I think of this is that I still just drastically prefer the feel in the hand of the five S. [TS]
01:26:48 ◼ ► Oh I like it when I'm using it unless I'm using it one handed like while walking around doing something [TS]
01:26:53 ◼ ► and unfortunately that's a pretty major role of a phone for most people so I just really it's like getting a seven [TS]
01:27:07 ◼ ► and don't bring it with you most of the time but if you're carrying it with you back [TS]
01:27:14 ◼ ► That might not be the best choice for you with a phone it's like you have to consider how it's actually used [TS]
01:27:19 ◼ ► and yes a bigger screen is nicer while it's being used like two handed you know it's stationary it is indeed nicer [TS]
01:27:28 ◼ ► but is it worth the tradeoff in portability in the sense that it makes it harder to use while portable for a lot of [TS]
01:27:35 ◼ ► people and obviously that's an individual decision for people who are going back to the five S. [TS]
01:27:46 ◼ ► and I've almost made that decision I think I will ultimately stick with the six but I [TS]
01:27:54 ◼ ► Because every time I pick it up I think not only does it look way better but it just feels so much better to use. [TS]
01:28:00 ◼ ► And yes it does look tiny but everything I do is a million times faster. My group is more secure. [TS]
01:28:06 ◼ ► I can reach everything it's in it's less frustrating to the fact is as I said earlier i O S [TS]
01:28:12 ◼ ► and I was apps are still largely designed with the assumption that you can always reach all four corners. [TS]
01:28:17 ◼ ► So many important buttons are up on the upper corners that are hard to reach on a six [TS]
01:28:30 ◼ ► So I think in the future this might be easier to use a larger phone because like the software will be it will be more [TS]
01:28:43 ◼ ► But until that point and that point is not here yet this you know and again and when the watch comes and when you [TS]
01:28:50 ◼ ► when your phone is less often needed to be used one handed you know if you can do certain things in the watch that [TS]
01:29:01 ◼ ► or doing something then again that will also help. But we're not there yet either. [TS]
01:29:06 ◼ ► So I think for this year it makes sense for a lot of people who are sensitive to this to not upgrade at the six [TS]
01:29:12 ◼ ► and then maybe next year we'll see what happens you know as as the environment around it changes as we get the watch as [TS]
01:29:17 ◼ ► we get different software considerations. We'll see what happens but as of today I think it's a tough call. [TS]
01:29:24 ◼ ► Well if you consider the rumored mix of six and six plus I don't know this is a rumor or announce [TS]
01:29:37 ◼ ► Do you know any sources of authority or numbers or have heard similar rumors. I haven't anybody with any credibility. [TS]
01:29:48 ◼ ► or maybe some related thing I don't know I don't know if the lover tells them next [TS]
01:29:51 ◼ ► but we're pretty confident they say is that I think we would have heard a story if it turned out the five S. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Massively you know like the people weren't getting the sex that that all the hardcore people are buying five Ss [TS]
01:30:08 ◼ ► Now is not so much just that it's older and slower but also no Apple Pay right known and of C. [TS]
01:30:15 ◼ ► and So if Apple does continue to make a smaller line which stops for grabs for they do if they gave it feature parity [TS]
01:30:22 ◼ ► then it would be like the i Pads where last year despite the size if you had three sizes to pick from they would have [TS]
01:30:34 ◼ ► and say well it's you know Apple has just launched it is still not supported widely yet you know in a year from now [TS]
01:30:42 ◼ ► then a lot of like a lot of American places will of will replace their terminals at the new tuxes terminals [TS]
01:30:46 ◼ ► and everything so you have more that like I feel like over time the usefulness of the larger phones will grow. [TS]
01:31:03 ◼ ► In the store bright picture problem like people are going to buy these things in large numbers regardless of whether [TS]
01:31:14 ◼ ► We're doing this is pent up demand of people who knew that and wanted a bigger phone. [TS]
01:31:18 ◼ ► Oh yeah you know like like they knew it was like they were speculating like I think I might like a better phone [TS]
01:31:24 ◼ ► and there's like I would buy the i Phone except if you Smaug the whole reason they needed a bigger phone so I you know [TS]
01:31:29 ◼ ► the number probably read them to be in a chat room said the team mobile C.E.O. Said it was close to fifty fifty. [TS]
01:31:36 ◼ ► but if that's true we try to find a link to it that is that is always one data point. [TS]
01:31:43 ◼ ► Yeah I mean who knows what the truth is I think you're right that we'll probably never know I do think it would be [TS]
01:31:49 ◼ ► interesting if you know if a large apps with analytics packages they could start tracking things you know [TS]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Like what you know what is flirty say you know what percentage of that they're installed on is this versus this model [TS]
01:32:05 ◼ ► like that we can definitely will get will have that information and we know if we don't already have it. [TS]
01:32:08 ◼ ► But again I think we're going to do fine with this and that's fine and in the future I might be better to use them [TS]
01:32:15 ◼ ► but that doesn't make it doesn't these large phones a great solution today for a lot of priorities [TS]
01:32:21 ◼ ► and look a lot of people are very happy with them a lot of people love these things. [TS]
01:32:26 ◼ ► I was even one of the people saying I want bigger phone and I jump to get one as soon as I could [TS]
01:32:37 ◼ ► and four point seven That's a pretty big range you know it may be maybe a four point three would be great you know you [TS]
01:32:44 ◼ ► and I don't for four four point seven is the compromise I like shaving into they're going to be like you know you [TS]
01:32:52 ◼ ► So it comes down to you know just upgrade them next year contract with my week with the with the six years I think what [TS]
01:32:59 ◼ ► happened was that I just upgraded my hand motions I upgraded my little hand genetics [TS]
01:33:08 ◼ ► Well you know the moves you do to to get to the party activists like you said the software just isn't updated I'm using [TS]
01:33:14 ◼ ► apps that were made for at best the i Phone five screen and at worst you know the smaller three point five inch [TS]
01:33:20 ◼ ► and I upgraded my my hand moves so much so that oh I mean I got a smaller one I would find myself starting to do the [TS]
01:33:27 ◼ ► hand move that I need to do to hit the Done button and Twitter if I can realize I don't need to do that move. [TS]
01:33:32 ◼ ► I can go back to my other move to do you know I think that will mostly take care of itself [TS]
01:33:36 ◼ ► but I like the reason I think I'm not bothered by this because once I sort of upgrade all my you know my hands move set [TS]
01:33:44 ◼ ► then it's fine I mean I think the only persistent bothersome thing about the i Phone six [TS]
01:33:48 ◼ ► or eight was how much room it took out took in whatever pocket I had it in because that didn't go. [TS]
01:33:55 ◼ ► It was more it was taking up more if I put in my friend's jeans pocket is more likely to feel. [TS]
01:34:01 ◼ ► and bending it is in my coat pocket it pokes out a little bit farther than the other one did [TS]
01:34:05 ◼ ► but that I think we're going over because I really do use mine more like a little mini tablet. [TS]
01:34:12 ◼ ► So do you think that will ever come a time that if you think back to the tweenie days Polder refresh wasn't a thing [TS]
01:34:22 ◼ ► and then learned Richter did it with Tweedy and then it became a thing where it literally became a system level thing. [TS]
01:34:29 ◼ ► So do you think there may come a time where I.O.'s transitions to a back button at the bottom of the screen kind of [TS]
01:34:39 ◼ ► layout be it because some popular applique Tweetie doesn't everyone embraces it or perhaps because the S.T.K. [TS]
01:34:54 ◼ ► I think they're going for the you know the system back gesture like that's their attempt to say yes you know paradigm [TS]
01:34:59 ◼ ► for navigation instead of having a tool bar that you have to reach back button is really hard to find. [TS]
01:35:05 ◼ ► but I think that swipe is I know I almost never do it it is not obvious even if you show somebody else they don't know [TS]
01:35:15 ◼ ► and I don't think it's type of thing that if you show somebody they will do all the time because it's not reliable [TS]
01:35:20 ◼ ► depends on which application using whether it works or not and it's it is a fairly precise gesture. [TS]
01:35:25 ◼ ► It's not there's not a lot of slop on it because if you just do a swipe sideways that may do something [TS]
01:35:31 ◼ ► but it's not the back one that has to involve the edges like I think is too much nuance to it so I think what you're [TS]
01:35:36 ◼ ► saying Casey is more likely that application developers will especially of the six plus [TS]
01:35:42 ◼ ► and that they like super popular they'll have to redesign their applications to be inside like the thumb the thumb hot [TS]
01:35:50 ◼ ► zone like where you can reach where you know put everything that's important within reach [TS]
01:35:54 ◼ ► and then suddenly the phone doesn't feel as big anymore because the apps are designed not to have you do that [TS]
01:36:02 ◼ ► or you know I remain I don't know what the solutions are to reachability that we nodded That's like a hack that I'm [TS]
01:36:09 ◼ ► sure a few people might use but that's not the best solution. Yeah I am hoping that the U.I. [TS]
01:36:15 ◼ ► and we standardize on you know is novel doing it even if just like you know the hamburger buns thing which Apple is not [TS]
01:36:21 ◼ ► popular as imagine like you said pull the refresh you know come out of the third party world [TS]
01:36:26 ◼ ► and have it be some kind of consensus and have all the applicants are to look the same in the world [TS]
01:36:31 ◼ ► and that's that's plausible. Now in other news Marco have you played with your retina. I'm back at all. [TS]
01:36:47 ◼ ► Good oh my god it's yeah it's amazing there's so there's actually a few things that I'm that I've had to change as a [TS]
01:36:56 ◼ ► result of going to retina that are very very boring so I want to tell you about them. [TS]
01:37:11 ◼ ► So as John has pointed out you know somebody takes cues from the desktop wallpaper to do most of it's blurriness so [TS]
01:37:23 ◼ ► So the problem is before for years I've used just like a static like medium gray background [TS]
01:37:29 ◼ ► and I've put a whole bunch of crap my desktop now you know I see them in the desktop it's John's disaster scenario it's [TS]
01:37:36 ◼ ► like everything is in the desktop and Yosemite if you have a solid color desktop it has some drab dark color. [TS]
01:37:49 ◼ ► and you testing in the you know I can do my back going to work as a pest pumpkins pumpkins are nice [TS]
01:37:55 ◼ ► and beautiful in orange but they make everything look terribly sick and rusty. Well. [TS]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Like like you can't just do a solid color a flat color background even that because even the flat color backgrounds now [TS]
01:38:08 ◼ ► If you want to if you want to get away from this effect use a background that has an awful white colors in it like if [TS]
01:38:21 ◼ ► and menus will look that crazy maybe maybe though it looks like the color temperature on your monitor is off because [TS]
01:38:28 ◼ ► That's what that's what I have here at home I have to get some background that has a white sky with all the counts [TS]
01:38:33 ◼ ► moving up the top of my menu bar looks OK and the menus I pull down from it was a little blue [TS]
01:38:41 ◼ ► or green it just it just makes the whole interest look sick like it's like a cow syndrome [TS]
01:38:53 ◼ ► and what I've come to is I started using the wallpaper I've been using on my retina my pro Pro since I got it in twenty [TS]
01:38:59 ◼ ► twelve which is a bright sky blue photo I took in New Zealand of the bright sun lit sky and a bright blue ocean [TS]
01:39:09 ◼ ► and so it is nice like sunny bright blue picture and it's crisp and looks amazing on the retina resolution. [TS]
01:39:17 ◼ ► It's fantastic for this purpose because it is it works with everything as you said like you know a light blue color is [TS]
01:39:23 ◼ ► great for this. I also then had to declare my desktop because look terrible is covered in the files. [TS]
01:39:33 ◼ ► They also change the file like if you have an M P three get the i Tunes file icon so it all sons have everything [TS]
01:39:39 ◼ ► and I used to have a blue dot on it as a big shining red Japanese flag all of you to stop. Yeah so it's. [TS]
01:39:46 ◼ ► So I clean up my desktop like that had to change also because that was part of it. [TS]
01:39:50 ◼ ► Also my my monospaced font had to change because I was a monocle hold out all those years I was doing Monaco not anti [TS]
01:40:00 ◼ ► In council ATA I haven't tried that yet so right now I'm on Menlo because I basically inherited what I've been doing [TS]
01:40:07 ◼ ► and that existed so I remember I went from Monaco ten men little eleven I had to go up a size also [TS]
01:40:14 ◼ ► and part of that is because of the just looks better on retina and part of that is because I'm going. [TS]
01:40:19 ◼ ► I went from a thirty inch screen to a twenty seven so I have a a decrease in the size of elements on screen because the [TS]
01:40:27 ◼ ► but three inches smaller diagonal so it actually is like everything is noticeably a little bit smaller. [TS]
01:40:33 ◼ ► But other so so I actually like I'm fitting less per line in Xcode after change when line wrap settings [TS]
01:40:38 ◼ ► and adjust my standards and everything on the same point with a thirty inch. Yeah twenty five sixty. [TS]
01:40:48 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I've been I've been thinking about what I'm going to go to because I'm also a bit mad Monica Hall that I'm [TS]
01:40:54 ◼ ► still on that map on a go and I'm Bob if they want to go right now that is not tenable any more thought to make it fun. [TS]
01:41:08 ◼ ► but I have a hard core Monica nine years there's been a that's been the biggest difference like so like you know now [TS]
01:41:13 ◼ ► I'm basically using like this this like clean wallpapered beach scene computer with all these big smooth fonts on it [TS]
01:41:21 ◼ ► compared to my old like super geek Monaco pixel font but I got used to it very quickly [TS]
01:41:26 ◼ ► and then so so to find that arrived today and I've been I've been back and forth her computer setting it up [TS]
01:41:32 ◼ ► and going from her old computer to her new one I keep having to briefly use her twenty seven inch thunderbolt display [TS]
01:41:40 ◼ ► which is of course a non retina the same size very similar finish to macro is less glossy but it's still reflective. [TS]
01:41:52 ◼ ► and the twenty seventh on a boat is no slouch it's a very good looking monitor like my old my big thirty inch H.P. [TS]
01:42:08 ◼ ► Well now that I was using the retina for I was using it for one day and I go to see his monitor [TS]
01:42:17 ◼ ► It's like it looks like you're going back to DOS like it's it you can't believe how much worse it looks like once once [TS]
01:42:24 ◼ ► every screen you see all day is retina. When you see that in one hundred no one it is shocking. [TS]
01:42:31 ◼ ► Like it's a it's a big big difference. So yeah that's how it's going I'm loving it it's great. [TS]
01:42:37 ◼ ► There is fan noise not in not in most workloads but if you if you stress the C.P.U. [TS]
01:42:49 ◼ ► or something like that if you match all the C.P.U.'s for more than about a minute you will hear the fan spin up [TS]
01:43:22 ◼ ► And it it is I would say it's very similar to that to the finish right of my pro under full load. So it's finite. [TS]
01:43:31 ◼ ► I'll see in practice over time if that ends up being a problem while recording this pod cast I've been monitoring the [TS]
01:43:38 ◼ ► and it has not gone above its idle speed during this entire time so I'm not worried about things like this being a [TS]
01:43:45 ◼ ► You know if I have to encode a bunch of video or something with it it's the reality is I need C.P.U. [TS]
01:44:00 ◼ ► First and so I don't think the fan noise is ever really going to be a huge problem for me [TS]
01:44:07 ◼ ► This might be the one factor that in two years makes me want a new macro that can drive the new five case analytically [TS]
01:44:18 ◼ ► Some like that but also for I really do start snowing. How are you still awake on time. [TS]
01:44:25 ◼ ► I am absolutely dying from honest it should be less of a hardship for you because day [TS]