00:00:00 ◼ ► If denied reject this offer immediately and furthermore declare war against that I guess. [TS]
00:00:10 ◼ ► We do I think it's time that we reach the largest daily audience in the world by connecting everyone to their world via [TS]
00:00:21 ◼ ► Who put the revenue generation in your statement like I was in the mission statement is like is that like implied like [TS]
00:00:28 ◼ ► well we also want to make a lot of not make a lot of money we want a lot of money to flow through our corporation. [TS]
00:00:37 ◼ ► and will realize some profit the really what we mostly want to concentrate on is just just throughput you know make it [TS]
00:00:42 ◼ ► up in volume to lots of revenue. That's her mission statement is just so it ain't so low. [TS]
00:00:49 ◼ ► Well and to be fair they corrected us. This is not Twitter's new mission statement. [TS]
00:00:55 ◼ ► This is Twitter's new strategy statement. I'm not entirely sure what the difference is. [TS]
00:01:00 ◼ ► Maybe this is just because I'm not from this planet and business people apparently are. No it's the opposite. [TS]
00:01:06 ◼ ► OK that's because something is she something is wacky and business like is there whatever they put in most businesses. [TS]
00:01:14 ◼ ► Is there some kind of weird chemical that off gases from that that might cause this kind of language to be understood [TS]
00:01:23 ◼ ► or like cubicle walls I don't know just meetings that just you know it is going to do the motivational poster for [TS]
00:01:31 ◼ ► None of us this is dumb as all of us know the thing that is I've talked about this in the past [TS]
00:01:51 ◼ ► and the problem is that every one of every one of these middle managers realizes deep down inside that they're [TS]
00:02:02 ◼ ► and they have these meetings so that at these meetings all of the middle managers can stick up their peacock tails [TS]
00:02:09 ◼ ► and say look at me I'm so smart I'm not redundant it's all you idiots that are the redundant ones [TS]
00:02:18 ◼ ► They make up these ridiculous reasons to exist simply so that they can continue to exist. [TS]
00:02:25 ◼ ► It's completely self-serving really because I mean look at reach the largest daily audience in the world by connecting [TS]
00:02:31 ◼ ► everyone to their world via our information sharing distribution platform products [TS]
00:02:35 ◼ ► and be one of the top revenue generating Internet companies in the world I know you read that before I'm reading it [TS]
00:02:41 ◼ ► One just tells what it is because we've just been talking about this is of everyone knows [TS]
00:02:45 ◼ ► and some poor person is going to be losing the six months from now I have no idea we're talking about this is the [TS]
00:02:49 ◼ ► recently unveiled Twitter strategy statement at first everyone thought it was a mission statement. [TS]
00:02:54 ◼ ► It was later corrected to be a strategy statement in some kind of it was unveiled in some kind of investor presentation [TS]
00:03:06 ◼ ► Yeah that's where you stop being able to parse the sentence and you're like they're missing punctuation. [TS]
00:03:13 ◼ ► or I mean the whole thing is it is a tremendous run on sentence that really could benefit from some commas. [TS]
00:03:21 ◼ ► They don't this doesn't even fit in a tweet as many people pointed out as either a mission or a strategy statement. [TS]
00:03:31 ◼ ► and it doesn't finish try to get the worse especially the bombs erev rav No I just made fun of like I am putting that [TS]
00:03:46 ◼ ► but is want to be a contender for money moving through our organization really we're not going to say we're going to be [TS]
00:04:03 ◼ ► And Microsoft's of the old you know a computer on every desk running Microsoft software like those are simple easy to [TS]
00:04:11 ◼ ► understand the goals of the don't like don't say we really want to share price to be high. [TS]
00:04:21 ◼ ► and buy an island like you might want to put that in your mission statement and sell it. [TS]
00:04:25 ◼ ► Sharing that his company's mission statement at one point included revenue per employee. Wow that's amazing. [TS]
00:04:37 ◼ ► It's like it's almost like it's so you can think that but don't don't write it down. [TS]
00:04:47 ◼ ► and Google both have more noble more integration or mission statement I think you do it you're not doing well [TS]
00:04:53 ◼ ► when what the shows like it's obviously like this. This is a sentence designed by so much Committee. [TS]
00:05:00 ◼ ► There's all this like there's all these clauses that are bolted on that they don't really need to be there [TS]
00:05:06 ◼ ► and they reflect like every like every department had a bolt on or the leadership couldn't decide what to say [TS]
00:05:14 ◼ ► All of which is funny because that all kind of seems to reflect Twitter's you know kind of wacky weak leadership that [TS]
00:05:21 ◼ ► you know Twitter has has always had leadership issues from the founders coming kind of in and out [TS]
00:05:29 ◼ ► and out like they've always had really seemingly unstable leadership mean Dick Costolo I think has been there the [TS]
00:05:35 ◼ ► People have been like him near the top but it's always kind of been all over the place [TS]
00:05:40 ◼ ► and what they what they have what the sentence is is a very clear indicator to the outside world that they that they [TS]
00:05:47 ◼ ► still have struggles up at the very top with you know getting you know what the direction of the company might even be [TS]
00:05:53 ◼ ► or who gets to get recognized or whatever. It's a little thing is this is not like you know a major. [TS]
00:06:10 ◼ ► but they have I mean look at like I would reach the largest daily audience in the world you could end it right there [TS]
00:06:22 ◼ ► when you reach them what have you done like if you're not you know I mean like the Google thing like they're they're [TS]
00:06:28 ◼ ► whatever they're doing index in the world's information like they're taking all the information the world they want to [TS]
00:06:33 ◼ ► and make it accessible in a way like they're doing a useful thing they're saying is information. [TS]
00:06:42 ◼ ► and we'll make it so that you can do something useful with it right that is a mental thing even the next clause is also [TS]
00:06:50 ◼ ► That's that alone doesn't say a lot but it's better than better than the whole you know [TS]
00:06:56 ◼ ► and of course the envy one of the top original Internet companies in the world OK you know if you if that's what you [TS]
00:07:01 ◼ ► But like this if if anybody with with editing permission got ahold of this it probably would've been better to just say [TS]
00:07:10 ◼ ► connect everyone to their world like that's it that's all you need to say out of this entire like sixty five word sends [TS]
00:07:16 ◼ ► it's awful but even that is just like really weak. It doesn't it doesn't seem like they know what it is. [TS]
00:07:27 ◼ ► and say What do you think Twitter is doing now what they do why do people use Twitter for like Twitter is a thing that [TS]
00:07:35 ◼ ► So can you describe like what it is that Twitter is right now like now what you want to be now what you want the [TS]
00:07:40 ◼ ► company to be not when your mission is but like right now there is something called Twitter and people use it [TS]
00:07:44 ◼ ► and try to describe that nothing they could because I don't think that Twitter users I don't think they understand what [TS]
00:07:53 ◼ ► Yeah I would be shocked if most of Twitter's top leadership really used Twitter. Very heavily. [TS]
00:08:02 ◼ ► and I keep coming back to what you were saying earlier Marco that this is definitely designed by committee. [TS]
00:08:06 ◼ ► This is this what is not a mission saying on what we call it strategy same a strategy statement Thank you. [TS]
00:08:11 ◼ ► The strategy statement seems like the text based equivalent of like websites carrousel you know what I'm talking about [TS]
00:08:19 ◼ ► where you know there are ten different groups that all are convinced that they should be the hero image on this website [TS]
00:08:31 ◼ ► and so they just say asked screw it will put on a rotating carousel now will be good enough. [TS]
00:08:35 ◼ ► This is like the text version of that just like you were saying everyone you get three words a piece of wood just mash [TS]
00:08:41 ◼ ► them together in some way that vaguely resembles English so that so that I don't you know do some follow up. [TS]
00:08:51 ◼ ► There was one of those one of the thing I was trying to think of over the Twitter thing and I totally lost my mind. [TS]
00:08:56 ◼ ► Maybe to come back to me later maybe this tragic statement not that your brain problem definitely did although I was [TS]
00:09:02 ◼ ► proud of myself that I remembered the motivational poster word for word without without looking it up. [TS]
00:09:18 ◼ ► but I think the same person contact man who sent an original thing sent us a screenshot [TS]
00:09:23 ◼ ► and the weird thing about the screen shot if you take a look at it is it just gets rid of the purchase button I mean [TS]
00:09:36 ◼ ► and if you didn't include another shot showing the purchase button like that it would be there I wouldn't understand [TS]
00:09:41 ◼ ► what there was point it was a basically a summon some of the bonus but it was good I got to the App Store [TS]
00:09:45 ◼ ► and let you buy it for more than it would cost to just buy the one after missing but it's kind of weird. [TS]
00:09:50 ◼ ► Maybe somewhere else on a page it tells you why there's no purchase button like bug fix by display none like me. [TS]
00:10:04 ◼ ► You can't buy this because it would cost you more than buying the individual does not fit in a button [TS]
00:10:09 ◼ ► and one tritone German right does not like going to work out I don't know another mass anyway [TS]
00:10:16 ◼ ► but it throw them in there or put in the show not. I'm still honestly trying to figure out why Apple made bundles. [TS]
00:10:23 ◼ ► You know obviously it was not for a great price hacks that's that's obviously not the intent here otherwise it will [TS]
00:10:28 ◼ ► work better for that. I really wonder what like it seems to only benefit. Obviously it only benefits paid apps. [TS]
00:10:40 ◼ ► and Apple usually doesn't do anything to help aid apps because most of the apps that actually get them literally aren't [TS]
00:10:48 ◼ ► and most of the money in the App Store does not come from paid apps anymore I think the numbers are something like ten [TS]
00:10:53 ◼ ► percent or something of the money comes from paid out of some kind of very low number [TS]
00:10:58 ◼ ► So I wonder what what was the goal here was it some kind of weird like you know serve certain game companies kind of [TS]
00:11:09 ◼ ► As a sales tool like it's so it's yet another thing that we can do to make software cheaper if you think of it in that [TS]
00:11:16 ◼ ► So there are some apps that are paid and it's like well we can't make those people make their apps free [TS]
00:11:23 ◼ ► and less by letting people bundle them up so that people who are going to buy these three apps anyway. [TS]
00:11:28 ◼ ► Now you can buy a dress for less money that you know is risk with lowering the purchase price [TS]
00:11:35 ◼ ► But people like lower prices as well but so the price of angel if you ask and striven down [TS]
00:11:43 ◼ ► and people are going to buy them individually for you know two ninety nine each of us is too much money. [TS]
00:11:50 ◼ ► So put them all into a bundle together for five bucks you know for Fortune one you don't ask me about over five bucks [TS]
00:11:55 ◼ ► and then you basically once again found a way to lower the price of software for customers. [TS]
00:12:01 ◼ ► That's what I guess I think that's Apple's big thing is like they want software to be cheap [TS]
00:12:11 ◼ ► and it's good you know it's a win win for the developer to this you have multiple absolutely having troubles on them [TS]
00:12:16 ◼ ► individually what if we gave you a to sell them together for a lower price that would save the consumer money anyone [TS]
00:12:24 ◼ ► and you maybe make a sale where you wouldn't before because before the you know it's perceived as a bargain is the same [TS]
00:12:30 ◼ ► reason you know everything is on sale all the time at the big department stores that still exist. [TS]
00:12:35 ◼ ► It seems it just seems like Apple is doing something pretty we done it here like it if they're trying to reduce the [TS]
00:12:42 ◼ ► price that paid software sells for they can just do that by inaction like because everything else about the App Store [TS]
00:12:54 ◼ ► when I was a bookstore a place we had many different kinds of bundles and they were a popular thing to have. [TS]
00:13:10 ◼ ► Does the i Tunes started that when you complete this album as though it's just straight math or do you get a bargain. [TS]
00:13:22 ◼ ► Yeah I mean how about I work as I work speaking of of bundles and cheaper software so John Jeev not John River Road [TS]
00:13:30 ◼ ► and just to comment on what I said about I work about how having a mediocre to crappy office type program doesn't make [TS]
00:13:39 ◼ ► Apple hardware more valuable doesn't help Apple sell hardware in the way that i Life used to back [TS]
00:13:43 ◼ ► when I was really good. I work has never been really good it doesn't really help sell Macs. [TS]
00:13:54 ◼ ► and sure the companies don't get squeezed out he says what if the surface six generation is amazingly caught up to the [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► At Office free Apple make it squeezed out so basically by having having its own office we do not beholden to Microsoft [TS]
00:14:07 ◼ ► and they won't be afraid that whatever their platform is i Pad or whatever become less viable. [TS]
00:14:13 ◼ ► Microsoft suddenly decides they don't want to offer Office for first of all the odds at this point of Microsoft not [TS]
00:14:19 ◼ ► offering office virus in very low since I can sell seems very gung ho on cross-platform these days Second of all of us [TS]
00:14:29 ◼ ► but the biggest counterargument to this idea that Apple needs to make an office suite so they don't get squeezed out by [TS]
00:14:40 ◼ ► Is that Apple having a mediocre office suite subsidized by hardware profits makes it way harder for third party [TS]
00:14:52 ◼ ► and I think it's free now right all the time comes comes a new devices any way you can just download the around America [TS]
00:14:57 ◼ ► right. That makes it really hard for anybody else to try to make office style applications. [TS]
00:15:05 ◼ ► and I think they just made office Ryo a spear something like that. But mostly sort of. [TS]
00:15:11 ◼ ► Yeah I know it was confusing with the three sixty five it's given that it's mostly free. [TS]
00:15:16 ◼ ► Yeah but if Apple is really concerned about making its platform and not too reliant on office [TS]
00:15:22 ◼ ► or any other particular type of thing the best thing it could do is foster a thriving market for office type [TS]
00:15:29 ◼ ► applications and by making putting tons of money and I work in and giving away giving it away for free [TS]
00:15:34 ◼ ► or at the very least as it was before below cost that makes it impossible for you to have a thriving ecosystem of [TS]
00:15:40 ◼ ► applications you're basically guaranteeing it's only just you vs office so I think rather than I work being neutral [TS]
00:15:47 ◼ ► it's actually in terms of the fear of being squeezed out is actually a negative because there they are making sure that [TS]
00:15:53 ◼ ► no one else will ever try to make a suite of office applications because you know while Microsoft Plus Apple are both [TS]
00:16:01 ◼ ► and so we're at the mercy of Microsoft which so far as I'm been that great and I work which also starred in that great. [TS]
00:16:16 ◼ ► and windows a lot of people sent me this link to MacRumors storm thread about IMAX five K. G.B.U. [TS]
00:16:22 ◼ ► Throttling and start over someone who was doing some gaming benchmarks in Windows and boot camp and back five K. [TS]
00:16:34 ◼ ► Would start throttling way below the temperature is supposed to so like recording this person he thinks that the G.P.S. [TS]
00:16:45 ◼ ► and Stead started throbbing like seconds after it started to be used in the nose of the star throwing like seventy re [TS]
00:16:51 ◼ ► Celsius. So that's not good but I could just be bad Windows drivers and lots of people north of this thread. [TS]
00:16:57 ◼ ► Talk about veto. Well they better than drivers who come out in this will be a problem. [TS]
00:17:11 ◼ ► and people don't know what self is as that's really hot one hundred degrees Celsius is a boiling point of water right. [TS]
00:17:25 ◼ ► and a lot of people in the thread are concerned that this is near the thermal limits of the G.P.U. [TS]
00:17:31 ◼ ► Use it on the people in the thread so I don't think Apple would have tested this with temperatures that other people [TS]
00:17:36 ◼ ► come back with a look at all these historic G.P.U. Failures Apple portable machines. [TS]
00:17:42 ◼ ► So at the very least this is not encouraging. If you're planning on gaming and IMAX. [TS]
00:17:51 ◼ ► or maybe it's the way to measure because it's peak temperature instead of at the edge of the die [TS]
00:17:55 ◼ ► or were never I think the more important point. As in is a like building the show it's gaining benchmarks. [TS]
00:18:03 ◼ ► So ignore temperatures ignore tempers entirely ignore the longevity of your G.P.U. Whatever that may or may not be. [TS]
00:18:11 ◼ ► If you look at gaming benchmarks like this benefits thing that of the new fanciest five K. IMAX versus the lesser G.P.U. [TS]
00:18:21 ◼ ► Vs the old US non retina time at the top of the line of Mike you can buy is not even the fastest imac ever made in [TS]
00:18:34 ◼ ► So these benchmarks are kind of depressing from game is the padding of arms is fine [TS]
00:18:42 ◼ ► I'm back with an entirely different expected to do better than the previous generation G.P.U. [TS]
00:18:50 ◼ ► but it's not a really convincing win in a couple benchmarks it actually is a little bit slower [TS]
00:18:58 ◼ ► So kind of not over say a mixed bag with a lot of unknowns right now for the five K. [TS]
00:19:06 ◼ ► I am Act I don't know much about the temperature stuff I can't really tell this is crazy [TS]
00:19:10 ◼ ► or not although people running similar benchmarks against their old IMAX are getting way lower temperatures [TS]
00:19:17 ◼ ► and you can't tell like that because the sensor is showing at a temperature different location what is the reasonable. [TS]
00:19:26 ◼ ► Is it OK for it to be showing a measurement of one hundred five degrees Celcius all the time. [TS]
00:19:31 ◼ ► The throttling window seems like a driver issue it like it shouldn't be throttling at seventy three Celsius [TS]
00:19:41 ◼ ► Anyway depressing thread for anyone who is looking forward to gaming on their five K. [TS]
00:19:46 ◼ ► I think you're right on that is disappointing if it doesn't affect me or my priorities at all [TS]
00:19:50 ◼ ► but the disappointing for whatever it's worth I have been running the the ice that menus fan monitor just just so I [TS]
00:20:00 ◼ ► And spins up under what temperatures and what kind of wood just we're going to some idea of how this computer behaves. [TS]
00:20:14 ◼ ► but see pewter I only have one hundred thirty years idle at about one hundred one years and here doing not much. [TS]
00:20:27 ◼ ► Temperature reaches about one ninety Fahrenheit so it's getting very close to that hundred Celsius number before the [TS]
00:20:34 ◼ ► It doesn't it doesn't have across two hundred so it's keeping it right below it over the years like ninety five [TS]
00:20:41 ◼ ► Is right below that under full load but it's not it's not being up at all until then whatever that's worth anyway [TS]
00:20:52 ◼ ► I'm actually extremely happy the more use the machine the happier I am with it it is really really nice. [TS]
00:21:04 ◼ ► I did the one test with a full load fan noise and I didn't load up like that for a few days [TS]
00:21:09 ◼ ► and like the memory of it got louder in my mind over the future and not like when I [TS]
00:21:14 ◼ ► when I ran a handbrake conversion the other day for a totally legal movie file that I totally legal podcast friend of [TS]
00:21:22 ◼ ► Car show when I ran a handbrake transcoder that file to make it on my totally legal Apple T.V. [TS]
00:21:29 ◼ ► I I was messing up the sea views again and the fan was way quieter than I and I imagine it like it is loud. [TS]
00:21:39 ◼ ► It is it is like a laptop stand in that when it spins to full speed you will hear it [TS]
00:21:48 ◼ ► and threaten my profession after all it's a similar kind of noise a little quieter still noticeable still audible still [TS]
00:22:00 ◼ ► The computer that is really great if you're not loading up to full blast every day constantly you know if a full blast [TS]
00:22:06 ◼ ► on the C. Fuse or G P U's is an occasional thing then that's great and I want be a problem. [TS]
00:22:11 ◼ ► You know that's a concern about this for gaming is with people who game like spend just hours with everything going [TS]
00:22:17 ◼ ► full tilt right and that I would be concerned if you doing a first person shooter just just hours [TS]
00:22:21 ◼ ► and hours a day for months and months on end and people are saying about the old time act problem [TS]
00:22:28 ◼ ► but like by the time you're Apple Care runs out if you bought like a couple extra years of Apple Care just around that [TS]
00:22:38 ◼ ► and if the gaming conformance was like this where it's like mostly faster than the previous Toppan [TS]
00:22:44 ◼ ► but not really by much and a few benchmarks is a little bit under you know like OK if it was like also lower power [TS]
00:22:51 ◼ ► but it's like it seems almost like a downgrade whereas the previous one got similar benchmark numbers running it at a [TS]
00:22:57 ◼ ► lower indicated temperature according to whatever the sensors are gives the feeling that one of my one of my doing all [TS]
00:23:03 ◼ ► the stuff or more more recall more of the RAM I guess because I don't think of them at four gigs but it's not. [TS]
00:23:13 ◼ ► Upgrade from the previous one it's more kind of like a lateral movement best right [TS]
00:23:17 ◼ ► and this is I mean I continue to believe you know like if you if you're looking at the MAC line up with the goal of [TS]
00:23:25 ◼ ► playing games like playing you know high end games a lot I think you're going to be sad. [TS]
00:23:32 ◼ ► And there's there's not a lot of you know of greatness that like a best case scenario is you buy a MacPro which is [TS]
00:23:39 ◼ ► spending a lot of money for a video card that actually isn't very good at gaming like they can do it [TS]
00:23:45 ◼ ► but it's like you're not getting your money's worth on the video card because that's not really what you're paying for [TS]
00:23:50 ◼ ► you know paying for gaming ability on the macros. You know five thousand dollars purchase price. [TS]
00:24:08 ◼ ► Because it's a high council of modern equipment for P.C. Games people won't buy P.C. [TS]
00:24:12 ◼ ► Games in a keyboard no mouse right. So then build a gaming P.C. It's it's like you can build a great gaming P.C. [TS]
00:24:19 ◼ ► Well better if you want to match the current mac pro with its with its best video card option. [TS]
00:24:29 ◼ ► That that has roughly similar game performance of that for a total of five my head I would say fifteen or less. [TS]
00:24:38 ◼ ► Like the reason people buy a Macas they're not just interested in what is the frame rate for amount of money. [TS]
00:24:46 ◼ ► but what you're looking for from a mac is like the whole package you want it nice and elegant [TS]
00:24:51 ◼ ► and not of extraneous stuff in your shirt all work together and you know how to worry about driver issues. [TS]
00:24:56 ◼ ► Looks nice and in the case of the proto quietened is cool and interesting and all that stuff you know. [TS]
00:25:01 ◼ ► So macro is still the best gaming mac which is sad because it's got like you said or not. [TS]
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00:25:33 ◼ ► and edit your website you can put all sorts of stuff on your website you can you know they give you beautiful designs. [TS]
00:25:41 ◼ ► and drop customizable extremely easy to use if you do need help they have support twenty four seven e-mail support [TS]
00:25:48 ◼ ► and live chat they are necessary seven added a whole bunch of new stuff editing your pages done live right on the site [TS]
00:26:08 ◼ ► and then you can also do things like you can simulate i Phone size i Pad size you can see all these different devices [TS]
00:26:14 ◼ ► you can see here's how your site and hair change look and there are screens which is really nice. [TS]
00:26:19 ◼ ► Seven also added a really cool partnership with Getty Images we're now if you have let's say you're making a post [TS]
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00:27:41 ◼ ► We brought this up last episode with regard to Jon's new purchase and we got some feedback about that John. [TS]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Only supports a nationally supported frame on its own drives and to this day still doesn't support their party drives. [TS]
00:28:13 ◼ ► No not really the reason they don't support trim on third party drives the same reason Apple is a part of third party [TS]
00:28:19 ◼ ► stuff is you know they want to they want to decrease their their support burdens they sort of qualify [TS]
00:28:30 ◼ ► and the former Apple engineer says that in the first two years of a tram showed up as a thing a lot of the flash [TS]
00:28:38 ◼ ► controllers out there had firmware they would trim the wrong range of blocks so the O. [TS]
00:28:41 ◼ ► Us would tell it to trim a certain set of locks and it would do it like off by one [TS]
00:28:45 ◼ ► or even worse there is taking logical block numbers and using them as physical block numbers with no mappings [TS]
00:28:51 ◼ ► and there was other bugs like not invalidating the trim in the queue of Hill later right was given for the block so [TS]
00:29:05 ◼ ► and that would be bad because Abdullah knew for a fact that they heard many buggy drives out there that would do bad [TS]
00:29:14 ◼ ► things using the trim command some which could result in data loss so what they did is a typical Apple thing of they [TS]
00:29:19 ◼ ► made sure that their own as if these days shipped work with a trim command that some of them the internal question put [TS]
00:29:27 ◼ ► firmware that Apple wrote or from or that they could get in source code form and could modify and later on [TS]
00:29:34 ◼ ► when some firmware came from vendors that was OK Apple white listed and so basically if you connect and S.S.D. [TS]
00:29:44 ◼ ► If it's not one of the ones that Apple is absolutely sure is going to behave correctly either because they wrote the [TS]
00:29:48 ◼ ► firmware or they qualified it as an internal drive or they white listed as the third party exact their party make [TS]
00:29:53 ◼ ► and model and the drive that works correctly. They don't do it and that is the most conservative approach. [TS]
00:30:01 ◼ ► but I could probably also guess that Apple does not spend a lot of its time buying every single third party S.S.D. [TS]
00:30:07 ◼ ► Testing it's true and support and increase you know increasing the size of that white list. [TS]
00:30:16 ◼ ► or thing is out there if you feel like you have a drive that you're sure response correctly to dream commands [TS]
00:30:24 ◼ ► but then you're somebody there the kernel you know extension signing thing listen the previous show for all details on [TS]
00:30:29 ◼ ► So if I if anyone thought that our description last week was implying that Apple was malicious in this case at worst [TS]
00:31:00 ◼ ► or may not be lessons depending on the little storage computer that's inside of it your S.S.D. [TS]
00:31:05 ◼ ► Is and how it manages storage again the Dr can't know when when blocks are freed up for use [TS]
00:31:11 ◼ ► but it can make more intelligent decisions about right leveling and stuff like that. [TS]
00:31:15 ◼ ► So as I said last week I am open to the idea that my Samsung eight fifty pro that I have will eventually get super slow [TS]
00:31:23 ◼ ► and I'm also open to the idea that if that happens it's possible that enabling trim using this hack will solve the [TS]
00:31:31 ◼ ► But intil the first problem happens I am not interested in the experiment of discovering whether the second thing solve [TS]
00:31:44 ◼ ► or not the six plus the selling well it wasn't like last week that that fifty fifty number came from the team mobile [TS]
00:31:51 ◼ ► C.E.O. or Something he was six six plus seem to be in about even numbers and you know who knows what that means from T. [TS]
00:32:08 ◼ ► I think right after the phones were announced that I expected the six to weigh out so I was exposed [TS]
00:32:16 ◼ ► And as usual Apple has nothing so we don't know about what's going on the show not now we have to stream Lee wildly [TS]
00:32:29 ◼ ► when you've seen people dive on sectors what is your ratio of spotting exposes the sexes. [TS]
00:32:33 ◼ ► I don't go outside I mean a chicken salad nobody in line at the deli has I have not seen a single six plus in the deli. [TS]
00:32:48 ◼ ► I think I've seen only one or two and I know a handful of people that have them and I remember [TS]
00:32:59 ◼ ► So I was asking around amongst all of our friends like Mike Hurley and Ben Thompson and Ray Ritchie [TS]
00:33:05 ◼ ► and all of them at that point I would say it was like you third sixes one third six plusses although I did I do believe [TS]
00:33:19 ◼ ► So I'd say it's not six to one but certainly allow a few to not many if that makes any sense. [TS]
00:33:28 ◼ ► First time I saw six plus in person was this weekend when I went into the Apple store to look at the five make [TS]
00:33:33 ◼ ► and I've seen lots of sixes and person from you know co-workers and people walking around [TS]
00:33:41 ◼ ► They're you know science from accident here anyway so the bottom line we still have no idea. [TS]
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00:36:07 ◼ ► So Marco You recently released an updated overcast and I'd like to hear about that. [TS]
00:36:13 ◼ ► But most specifically I'd like to hear about this car play thing that apparently you had it. [TS]
00:36:25 ◼ ► Because my understanding of Car Play is that's not the sort of thing you can just decide you want to be a part of. [TS]
00:36:50 ◼ ► and I was a much less exciting so it was a pretty an exciting process to be honest I mean like I don't I'm not sure if [TS]
00:36:57 ◼ ► I can really reveal the details but they're not that exciting like I asked around for a long time. [TS]
00:37:07 ◼ ► So how do you get you posted a picture of the low like screen car screen thingy that you have looked up to the [TS]
00:37:19 ◼ ► Why did you buy it was it a recommended thing did it come as part of the program all that stuff. [TS]
00:37:39 ◼ ► and I bought a cheap twelve volt power supply on Amazon for twenty bucks and I brought it home plugged it in tested it. [TS]
00:37:45 ◼ ► Does your car support Power Point any your correspondent know well so you can actually use the car wasn't as a matter [TS]
00:37:51 ◼ ► of you don't want to be sitting in the garage with the road every you want out on gas [TS]
00:37:55 ◼ ► but you don't even have anything we can use so this is a feature you're not even going to use yourself the only way. [TS]
00:38:03 ◼ ► I did it because the effort to reward ratio I thought was worth it it's very it was very low effort. [TS]
00:38:14 ◼ ► But that's like you know you send an e-mail every few months I mean it was nothing of a problem. [TS]
00:38:17 ◼ ► But then the actual implementation of it is very very simple because Car Play apps are limited the A.P.I. [TS]
00:38:25 ◼ ► Is that you use as a Card Play app are public you can go see them right now it's the M P. Playable content manager. [TS]
00:38:41 ◼ ► and to to be integrated properly with with the crappy receivers like to appear on their homes you know everything the [TS]
00:38:47 ◼ ► the interface that your app has to Car Play is very very simple. If you look at the M.P. Content or M.P. [TS]
00:38:52 ◼ ► Playable countermeasure thing that's it like that is you basically provide a hierarchical menu like the old i Pods [TS]
00:38:59 ◼ ► where you have like items and you click on the item into there right now you're at this level of the tree [TS]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and one of the items for this level of the tree in is this one playable or not it is a popular man you liked [TS]
00:39:08 ◼ ► and that's that's about it. It's very very simple. So because of that it's actually very easy to test. [TS]
00:39:14 ◼ ► I don't I don't I don't feel the need to be in this myself full time to really to really make sure it's working [TS]
00:39:39 ◼ ► and I was I was you know one of the reasons why I kept asking Apple about this is because you know I was interested from [TS]
00:39:46 ◼ ► but whenever the car play stuff first becoming available to customers I think it was like two months ago a few months [TS]
00:39:54 ◼ ► but ever since that point I've had people ask people ask me on Twitter almost every day hey why do you. [TS]
00:40:04 ◼ ► Apparently a big portion of these overcast and we're very upset I wasn't supported properly on there yet so get it. [TS]
00:40:13 ◼ ► and it was very easy to do so that's why I have forgotten so much about car players require you to connect with a wire [TS]
00:40:23 ◼ ► I sat on it much about the radio I got which is the pioneer app Radio four which is now it's called the aberrated [TS]
00:40:31 ◼ ► before in so many places except the box or any part of pioneer website where it's called the F P H D A. [TS]
00:40:40 ◼ ► People keep asking me if I recommend that when the answer is I have no idea. I literally only use it for this purpose. [TS]
00:40:47 ◼ ► I find most third party car radios to be pretty tacky and and kind of overly happy with things like blue menus. [TS]
00:40:57 ◼ ► This is no exception. So I'm I'm just not a good person to ask about that. So I have no idea. [TS]
00:41:06 ◼ ► I can't tell you about things like the utility of the other functions like don't do that a U.S.B. [TS]
00:41:10 ◼ ► Connector here is connecting an apple like U.S.B. Lighting thing in it and that's all there is to it. [TS]
00:41:18 ◼ ► Could you have basically implemented all this functionality before getting approval from Apple [TS]
00:41:23 ◼ ► and like is the thing you got from Apple simply permission to upload an app to the App Store that they won't reject [TS]
00:41:34 ◼ ► when a car play be in fact this code was in overcast one point it just was inactive because at the time it went [TS]
00:41:46 ◼ ► Card Play wasn't I don't think it was officially announced early it was announced in the same event [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► and everything so I thought I wonder if their likes like a special like made for i Pod receiver where like if there's [TS]
00:42:07 ◼ ► like a home theater receiver that can display this hierarchical menu I'm creating. [TS]
00:42:11 ◼ ► So I thought there was going to be something else out there besides car play that could show this maybe in homes [TS]
00:42:16 ◼ ► or ever. So I thought maybe I should get an eye on that and make make sure that I work properly on those things. [TS]
00:42:27 ◼ ► and nothing I couldn't find any information on it so I guess I basically commented out. [TS]
00:42:33 ◼ ► I just didn't instantiate the class it manages this in my code in versions one point three one point four. [TS]
00:42:44 ◼ ► You think about it you would think that if Apple was really interested in getting Like why was it why would it be this [TS]
00:42:51 ◼ ► Because of you know I don't think it would be just as easy to join the car plaything as it is to operate out of the App [TS]
00:42:59 ◼ ► Store like the App Store is successful because hey anybody with a couple bucks kin sign up as a developer write an app [TS]
00:43:19 ◼ ► or they're not that interested in getting too many people to fiddle with it I don't know the problem with car stuff is [TS]
00:43:25 ◼ ► there's major concerns with safety and driver distraction and secondarily There's also a lot of laws [TS]
00:43:35 ◼ ► but the laws vary on like you know what what kind of interaction is legal to provide to a driver while the car's in [TS]
00:43:47 ◼ ► or not permitted in certain contexts certain places all these there are so many regulations for [TS]
00:43:53 ◼ ► and just simply just concerns for safety because it's you know this is pretty serious stuff like you don't want you [TS]
00:44:00 ◼ ► I have somebody like simulating Angry Birds in the dashboard display by like changing your item artwork every half [TS]
00:44:06 ◼ ► second or whatever it's like crazy ways that these kind of systems could be abused. [TS]
00:44:15 ◼ ► but I don't know how much our preview is testing car play I can understand of Apple wants to be cautious. [TS]
00:44:25 ◼ ► and so so seems kind of weird to me like like you said that's the whole point of Apur a view [TS]
00:44:29 ◼ ► and if they're not you know if ever a view is the bottleneck like what was the point to you know if this is a thing [TS]
00:44:35 ◼ ► that they want to happen they should be paying more money for more people to review more carefully like you know that [TS]
00:44:46 ◼ ► but I don't I just it's not a formula for success survival really says like you know if Karpal I had to make a strategy [TS]
00:44:54 ◼ ► statement and it was like car play in every car in the world by you know by ten years [TS]
00:44:59 ◼ ► and I were never like that's obviously not what they're going for it just seems like they are it seems like a hobby [TS]
00:45:05 ◼ ► Used to be like we have a car solution is a thing since Ferrari's I guess and also Honda's maybe [TS]
00:45:12 ◼ ► but we're not that into it you know because there is value for there is that sort of adversarial sort of standoffish [TS]
00:45:18 ◼ ► relationship with the car makers themselves trying to sort out how are we going to arrive at current theories that [TS]
00:45:37 ◼ ► and safety problems the car makers have their own concerns too like if you're driving a B.M.W. [TS]
00:45:43 ◼ ► Using Angry Birds simulated in car play are orc and you crash so many people are upset about that [TS]
00:45:49 ◼ ► and it's so many people's problem. You know it's obviously your problem in a lot of ways. [TS]
00:45:55 ◼ ► Your family might have to deal with things. It's Apple's problem it's the apps problem it's B M. [TS]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Use problem like the bad P.R. and Lawsuit and everything can fly out of different directions. [TS]
00:46:08 ◼ ► and I really can't blame anybody in this situation from for being overly cautious because it is something that should [TS]
00:46:21 ◼ ► when I start my car that are press OK to agree that you shouldn't look at the screen when you're driving [TS]
00:46:28 ◼ ► and if you do that and the screen goes away and don't you don't actually have to present it [TS]
00:46:36 ◼ ► or just it's it's meaningless nobody reads it it just becomes a constant annoyance this is actually what one of the [TS]
00:46:41 ◼ ► things that makes one of the many things that maybe like driving a car the noise like the past covering messages that [TS]
00:46:49 ◼ ► you're just going to see for the entire life of the car they will have no effect on how you use the car and noticed [TS]
00:46:56 ◼ ► and probably no effect legally speaking because I get absolved anybody from you know anyway. [TS]
00:47:03 ◼ ► Yet my car shows me a license agreement with time I started that so bad press it press agreed to drive. Yeah. [TS]
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00:48:05 ◼ ► and if I don't have the domain name bought Lee I can start working on it blocks me from working on it. [TS]
00:48:11 ◼ ► It's I know it sounds stupid but like the name of a project is very important to me [TS]
00:48:19 ◼ ► If you are like that hover is your friend if you're not like that I will be your friend later. [TS]
00:48:23 ◼ ► But regardless however will be your friend at some point. Cover is designed by you know developers people like us. [TS]
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00:48:53 ◼ ► It comes with a whole bunch of stuff for free like Demain privacy there's no extra charge or anything like that. [TS]
00:48:58 ◼ ► And people you know there's a reason why we all love her why we all use however I mean the Fed has to say all this [TS]
00:49:03 ◼ ► they're also just really good. Anyway however you do use powerful tools to manage a domain name. [TS]
00:49:12 ◼ ► If you needed him a name just go there next they have a great search they have like those like word generation [TS]
00:49:17 ◼ ► algorithms so like if you if what you search for is not available anywhere then they'll suggest different rewordings of [TS]
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00:50:04 ◼ ► or has said they're going to open source a considerable fortune dot net and not only open source it [TS]
00:50:11 ◼ ► And this is to me a pretty darn big deal and it's probably not going to change my day to day life very much. [TS]
00:50:20 ◼ ► But it's a very interesting statement from a company that very much didn't believe that there were platforms other than [TS]
00:50:29 ◼ ► And so what they did today is they said they're going to open source a few additional components of dot net [TS]
00:50:35 ◼ ► and the best write up I found in a few minutes I had a look at this was by Miguel de cause I hope I pronounce that [TS]
00:50:42 ◼ ► right he is the head and I believe founder of the Mano project which is a project to take dot net [TS]
00:50:50 ◼ ► And what they were doing was what's the term for when you don't look at any sort of source [TS]
00:50:55 ◼ ► and you don't reverse compile or anything like that you just seen room for us and they're going room whatever. [TS]
00:51:01 ◼ ► So they were doing a clean room version of dot net and then over time as Microsoft is open source a little bit here [TS]
00:51:19 ◼ ► and there are three things that are being open source a Dot Net Framework libraries Stardock or framework libraries [TS]
00:51:44 ◼ ► or I guess maybe vice versa for them to release the Dot Net Framework classes. That's a really big deal. [TS]
00:51:52 ◼ ► And so if you want to see how all of this all of Dot Net all of the foundational stuff in Dot Net is implemented you [TS]
00:52:04 ◼ ► or which as Miguel says the Donna Corps a redesigned version of dot net that is based on the simplified version of the [TS]
00:52:10 ◼ ► quest libraries as well as a design that allows for Dot Net to be incorporated into applications [TS]
00:52:15 ◼ ► and this should sound a lot like and I'm going to get the is a clanger L Z M That's that's leveraged within X. [TS]
00:52:27 ◼ ► Not quite I think it's just that the underlying library of good power both the client compiler [TS]
00:52:33 ◼ ► and exco don't know what you call the library someone probably knows now it's right the point is you can build you know [TS]
00:52:46 ◼ ► I was poking around get home earlier tonight and not all of it's there yet but it's certainly going to arrive there [TS]
00:53:08 ◼ ► and one of the things they said was in this is from a blog post as a principle we don't want to ask the community to [TS]
00:53:23 ◼ ► and it's it's funny because on the one side from my day to day like I said earlier I don't think it's going to change a [TS]
00:53:35 ◼ ► but I mean whatever I don't really think know why I would want to do that but I think it's it. [TS]
00:53:46 ◼ ► and there's nothing else in the world mentality and that's what I think I'm most amped up about [TS]
00:53:51 ◼ ► but what does this make possible that wasn't possible before because Monaco is already cross-platform sure. [TS]
00:54:03 ◼ ► and Dot Net to write applications that run on platforms of them I know you already kind of could with nano work [TS]
00:54:15 ◼ ► All those things that Moto had to you know exam or had a clean room reverse engineer [TS]
00:54:20 ◼ ► and reimplement that now they don't have to anymore they're going to take the actual source and incorporated. [TS]
00:54:24 ◼ ► But does this make anything new possible that wasn't possible before or feasible like it was possible before [TS]
00:54:29 ◼ ► but you'd be worried about how supported it was an hour I saw said it's going to be officially supported that I think [TS]
00:54:35 ◼ ► Internet on the head it's that it's no longer third party it's not first party and you go back to me else blog post [TS]
00:54:41 ◼ ► and I'm quoting now We have a product under way that actually let me back up I'm sorry. [TS]
00:54:47 ◼ ► Model will be able to use as much as it wants from this project we have a project underway that already does this. [TS]
00:54:56 ◼ ► or not as fully featured as it should be with Microsoft's code so it certainly will improve mottos robustness [TS]
00:55:04 ◼ ► reliability decrease in bugs etc But on the surface I agree with you John that it doesn't really necessarily enable [TS]
00:55:12 ◼ ► anything that wasn't there already the only thing I can think of that might be a bit different is I haven't looked [TS]
00:55:20 ◼ ► but if you wanted to hypothetically run an ASP NET web site on something other than I.I.S. [TS]
00:55:31 ◼ ► I would assume that as part of this open sourcing of among other things a subpoena that you could do that on top of [TS]
00:55:40 ◼ ► or something like that without necessarily having to leverage mano I think Moto has done this at least in part in the [TS]
00:55:51 ◼ ► but like not included in this rating incorrectly is any of the sort of the GUI libraries that you use to make [TS]
00:56:01 ◼ ► and so I believe you are correct that this is all kind of faithful service I stuff some for the service I stuff like [TS]
00:56:06 ◼ ► world start so I can you know ASP NET is here if I can build something I don't know [TS]
00:56:15 ◼ ► but I don't understand the deployment outside of I do you just build like a library that gets loaded I don't I have no [TS]
00:56:26 ◼ ► but the theory is is that there's nothing stopping you from writing some sort of glue between Apache [TS]
00:56:31 ◼ ► and the ASP NET deal Els or whatever output that comes from that you know Horatio Boston [TS]
00:56:38 ◼ ► and Jerome says that one new thing is possible is that you could use Visual Studio to build something that doesn't run [TS]
00:56:55 ◼ ► I think that's still the case for all these open source components like can you can use anything other than Visual [TS]
00:57:03 ◼ ► and you just like a mac command line thing it is run like you've got to be I guess right. [TS]
00:57:09 ◼ ► but there are open sourcing I believe there are open sourcing Rosalyn which is their compiler stuff there already did [TS]
00:57:15 ◼ ► but I don't like I was wondering if like practically speaking does that mean that you can get a command prompt in a bunch [TS]
00:57:20 ◼ ► and start compiling source code on your mac that runs on your macro did you need to basically do you need Windows you [TS]
00:57:28 ◼ ► and that's what you need to compile the stuff I don't know how far people have gone [TS]
00:57:33 ◼ ► and trying to make it so that you could actually do development of faceless non gooey applications on the DOD that [TS]
00:57:43 ◼ ► and I was far as I know the only mac native compiler binary that exists is Manas compiler [TS]
00:57:50 ◼ ► but I mean you've got the entire source Rosalyn So in principle you could although it is self hosted. [TS]
00:58:05 ◼ ► but this is interesting it's really an interesting move it's something that I didn't expect from Microsoft even though [TS]
00:58:12 ◼ ► It took me a little bit by surprise that this much was going to get open source this quickly [TS]
00:58:21 ◼ ► but they said publicly in one of these posts that this isn't about fur for a lot of the projects that they're open [TS]
00:58:31 ◼ ► and making a true community project it was more just saying hey if you want to fork it here it is [TS]
00:58:41 ◼ ► and that that's the way it's going to be is a hardening in the same way that Apple's recent sort of opening up [TS]
00:58:47 ◼ ► and doing things that previously they seem not interested in doing even extensions or third party you boards and [TS]
00:58:54 ◼ ► and i OS This is another thing that people have always wanted bikers up to do like take the core part of your stack [TS]
00:58:59 ◼ ► and make it open source for the same reasons that kind of the same reasons that Apple has open source the core part of [TS]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and that like the lower level stuff there's not much competitive advantage to keeping that closed source [TS]
00:59:17 ◼ ► and to you as a platform maker to make it open source even if you don't get that much a benefit of other people. [TS]
00:59:25 ◼ ► and it just makes it feel like it's a more it's a development environment you can see what's going on the fewer black [TS]
00:59:31 ◼ ► boxes the better like you are debunking something it would be nice to be able to have the source code all the stuff. [TS]
00:59:37 ◼ ► here about you know I was here that's not the case on the Macin never has been is not the case I O. S. [TS]
00:59:41 ◼ ► There's some parts of it open source that eventually get into cocoa and you like it get all that stuff [TS]
00:59:46 ◼ ► and I bet that would be great if that was stupid like so the at the balancer of these these companies think they have [TS]
00:59:54 ◼ ► and what source to be opened UP because there's no advantage just keeping a close than Microsoft. I'm not surprise. [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► It's because things like Microsoft as long since realize that keeping the stuff like as people stop paying attention to [TS]
01:00:06 ◼ ► you as you are no longer the the big dog in the market and you're not by Microsoft they rule the entire P.C. [TS]
01:00:12 ◼ ► Industry like they don't anymore like mobiles are important. Microsoft is not on mobile. [TS]
01:00:21 ◼ ► and you're never going to show your crown jewels it's making you less and less relevant. [TS]
01:00:29 ◼ ► It's not a power play it's more of a realisation of the new shape of the market and I think it's helpful ideas [TS]
01:00:36 ◼ ► Maybe you'll come across something where you have some bug and you can't figure out what's going on [TS]
01:00:40 ◼ ► and it'll be useful to be able to step there in the debunker a bunch of bottom level dot net code stepping to the [TS]
01:00:47 ◼ ► source maybe you could've already done that anyway because I think your source was already available takers [TS]
01:00:51 ◼ ► but it wasn't available in a way that was open source that could be integrated so I don't know. [TS]
01:00:58 ◼ ► and it will become a foundation for lots of other projects I mean the best thing that could happen to them is someone [TS]
01:01:02 ◼ ► finally takes this core stuff and build some great new thing on top of that because they can [TS]
01:01:08 ◼ ► and they couldn't before like you didn't want to deal that stuff that we need we need a language runtime then we need a [TS]
01:01:16 ◼ ► or develop it a nice idea we're going to use that as a jumping off point to build some bigger better thing [TS]
01:01:20 ◼ ► but I don't know what the odds of that happening are but they're nonzero now I guess. [TS]
01:01:26 ◼ ► So just for grins and giggles Let's say that Swift is not a thing. It's not even in progress. Would Apple have used C. [TS]
01:01:39 ◼ ► Now Swift I think the answer is absolutely not because they want total control but. [TS]
01:01:43 ◼ ► But let's assume that well they get that they can have total control of this conveyer. [TS]
01:01:48 ◼ ► I think there's going to be pieces that are missing in the same way that she what is it that that is a door [TS]
01:01:54 ◼ ► when you see open source open source projects. But Ma and am I getting that backwards not I'm thinking of. [TS]
01:02:03 ◼ ► and I really like things for a DUI that is proprietary because a bunch of like legal stuff that's like they're hiding [TS]
01:02:08 ◼ ► that stuff which is that any code that involves an ending that involves code that is owned by companies other than [TS]
01:02:15 ◼ ► or even like the bus drivers that aren't open source you can't build a seventy kernel from the open source because it's [TS]
01:02:22 ◼ ► just stuff the sun included in there but for ownership like cage the mail was not owned by Apple [TS]
01:02:30 ◼ ► but they took it fork and ran with it whether it is on my babble you know I mean so they could [TS]
01:02:37 ◼ ► and I just because I know enough about the people involved in the process this is not what they want so it's not so [TS]
01:02:48 ◼ ► Swift is a different direction right Swift is not sure how a language runtime it is not garbage collection it is you [TS]
01:02:54 ◼ ► know it is so many things that it's not so for that reason alone they wouldn't take it [TS]
01:03:08 ◼ ► NET suddenly become a lot more viable and then OK so I agree with you completely there. [TS]
01:03:14 ◼ ► Now what is his name Andy Rubin is just creating Android today. Android does not exist yet. [TS]
01:03:24 ◼ ► They picked they picked something that was not owned by them at that time you know sort of invented by sun [TS]
01:03:38 ◼ ► That they wrote themselves like they already had the thing that they did end up taking Java that's not a clean then [TS]
01:03:44 ◼ ► make a clean get away with that legally speaking. So I don't see how that is any worse. [TS]
01:03:54 ◼ ► Yeah this feeling like I think it's in the hole can you cover it and they did. Excuse me just rip it. [TS]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Off we'll worry about it we kind of like clean room reimplementation visit like we know like there's a specter the [TS]
01:04:08 ◼ ► I'm I'm assuming they didn't use any source code from any of the Java Virtual Machines that is their own thing that [TS]
01:04:13 ◼ ► does things in a different way it's all just of like oh well you implemented it all yourself [TS]
01:04:19 ◼ ► The functions the parameters the you know all that that's copyrighted so they basically did a cleaner implementation of [TS]
01:04:28 ◼ ► You can argue about what things got used where but I don't I don't like the idea of an A.P.I. Being published A.B.I. [TS]
01:04:40 ◼ ► but privately speaking No I don't see how dot net The current owners are stunned that could possibly be any worse than [TS]
01:04:49 ◼ ► and I think it would be a better choice for them than job because they would have to do less work like they could take [TS]
01:04:57 ◼ ► and clear like it's an open source license that's not like we have to reimplement it right. [TS]
01:05:01 ◼ ► So and I also like fish are better than Java so that you know well that's the thing is that C. [TS]
01:05:06 ◼ ► Sharp You know I've talked in the past to a handful of people about how C. Sharp really is good in most. [TS]
01:05:15 ◼ ► Most worldly developers in the Apple community at least appreciate it if not agree with me. [TS]
01:05:21 ◼ ► But there's there's certainly some that are like oh God it's Microsoft I can't stand it now. And C. [TS]
01:05:45 ◼ ► There's not bugs everywhere at least in any of the things that I touch in my day to day life. [TS]
01:05:50 ◼ ► It's a really robust language and as much as I don't have that much love for Microsoft I really do love C. [TS]
01:05:55 ◼ ► Sharp end and if I were to just flip the switch and becoming full time. I'm Objective C. or Swift developer tomorrow. [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► Not for me like oh it's good or Oh it's bad like you're saying earlier John is somebody going to take C. [TS]
01:06:24 ◼ ► Or I mean strictly speaking I guess you could do that with these well I mean dot net is more than just C. [TS]
01:06:29 ◼ ► but I'm not I'm curious to see what this brings I think it's unlikely because the sharpest kind of like this there is a [TS]
01:06:41 ◼ ► Sure and so someone went first made a bunch of mistakes didn't make the same mistakes [TS]
01:06:47 ◼ ► and I think the shop has been developed steadily with a with a little bit more a little more singular vision let's say [TS]
01:06:54 ◼ ► instead of the sort of committee design of Java it seems to be lurching forward and not quite as confident a way [TS]
01:07:07 ◼ ► I want to say people are more likely to build something and swiftness with a suddenly open source [TS]
01:07:10 ◼ ► but the kinds of projects that get built like the kind of applications seems like the C.L.R. [TS]
01:07:18 ◼ ► Is most appropriate for as I would guess server side stuff and like the client side stuff [TS]
01:07:23 ◼ ► but like I can imagine the Web The Next Web Kit a killer being implemented in C. Sharp on top of a dot net. [TS]
01:07:40 ◼ ► or one of these new breed of languages like swift that aims to be as fast as them to give you high level can means as [TS]
01:07:48 ◼ ► and do something with garbage collection like server side is totally OK with it which is weird because every side is [TS]
01:07:53 ◼ ► like the performance is so demanding there in terms of you know a specific a specific performance profiles. [TS]
01:08:02 ◼ ► But for I think of Linux and the open source people I don't see them latching on to see shoppers there. [TS]
01:08:08 ◼ ► Why I mean that there are the people who are going crazy with you to get everything so they still seem to be stuck in [TS]
01:08:12 ◼ ► sort of a lower level mindset so I'm not sure maybe only one more generation of people to wake up [TS]
01:08:17 ◼ ► and say I'm going to write a new great thing and I'm not going to do and see a plus plus or say [TS]
01:08:20 ◼ ► when I was you see sharp it's like we need the infrastructure to be there for us me like every Linux distribution to [TS]
01:08:27 ◼ ► but with like a more officially supported like Microsoft blast stack that's in sync with my access code religious to be [TS]
01:08:38 ◼ ► Sharp as you develop one which then I think a lot of the reason that the Linux community hasn't embraced like mono for [TS]
01:08:44 ◼ ► example is because they're such a bunch of neck beards that love scene see posts so damn much [TS]
01:08:50 ◼ ► and Granted I haven't been a participant in the Linux community in seventy years some like that [TS]
01:08:56 ◼ ► but at the time it seemed like it was a it was all about having a barrier of entry and if you weren't like a god at C. [TS]
01:09:12 ◼ ► and last I heard that hasn't really changed but again I haven't paid attention in almost a decade. [TS]
01:09:17 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know open source difficult because whenever I think of open source stuff I don't think of the GUI stuff [TS]
01:09:22 ◼ ► you know there have been doing things based on every language you could possibly imagine [TS]
01:09:28 ◼ ► or whatever you know it's not that people aren't doing this just not one unified face Hell there was the open step port [TS]
01:09:34 ◼ ► or the hole as I called I don't know but it was someone someone ages ago going to step up [TS]
01:09:42 ◼ ► or to the oldest of A.D.R.'s and that's like the what if some of it was available for a living. [TS]
01:09:47 ◼ ► Boy that would change things whack it was practically available for Linux from her for a long time [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► The most important things to come out of sort of the Linux open source community are things like cage T M L And you [TS]
01:10:07 ◼ ► know earlier Apache and stuff like that like faceless applications written in low level languages those are OK [TS]
01:10:15 ◼ ► but as soon as you get into anything it's like just don't don't look to the Lex community friends [TS]
01:10:28 ◼ ► and so if they've got an empty shop want to help in that regard they can give some new tools to that crowd [TS]
01:10:37 ◼ ► It's like anything higher level than I can you think of like an exciting thing that is not faceless that has come out [TS]
01:10:48 ◼ ► or so that has made an impact on the wider world of computing wireshark audacity both nerdy tools [TS]
01:11:09 ◼ ► Like even the get commands that use in the command line are themselves front ends to like five other commands under the [TS]
01:11:15 ◼ ► hood that are actually doing the thing you want to do it is not a great example of a user interface you know aspects of [TS]
01:11:23 ◼ ► application get get is exactly what you would expect from the creator of Linux making something complicated like [TS]
01:11:30 ◼ ► version. Version control in history reversing into our already very complicated problems. [TS]
01:11:35 ◼ ► Add to that the creator of Linux making the one that he wants to use to get is exactly what you'd expect that to pick [TS]
01:11:42 ◼ ► on someone and someone just signing him that's the kind of server related you want to use for any [TS]
01:11:53 ◼ ► or are have to do with testing things that have to do with the web that probably count maybe I don't know. P H P B B. [TS]
01:12:04 ◼ ► Of course a lot of regular tackle have I have interacted with that I mean them are [TS]
01:12:12 ◼ ► Like that whole that whole strategy of you can use those other stack to write things cross-platform [TS]
01:12:19 ◼ ► or you can you sort of shared core of an application and then you deploy I.I.S. and Also on other platforms. [TS]
01:12:25 ◼ ► Yeah that's right I looked it up I was Amarin back when I was MA No one want to touch one excuse me. [TS]
01:12:32 ◼ ► And at the time anyway it was it was exactly what I would have done if I was trying to write a cross platform set up [TS]
01:12:43 ◼ ► for IO Wes in so far as basically they just wrote glue classes where if you had I don't know you have U.I. [TS]
01:12:53 ◼ ► Activity view control or whatever it is in Objective C. You're going to have the exact same thing in C. [TS]
01:12:59 ◼ ► Sharp with basically the same A.P.I. Just you know trade things translated to be a little more friendly to C. [TS]
01:13:06 ◼ ► Sharp classes were just really heavily annotated with attributes and whatnot to describe what is supposed to happen [TS]
01:13:13 ◼ ► and so what that meant was and this is true I believe of monitoring or whatever it's called jammer and for Android now. [TS]
01:13:20 ◼ ► And so basically what that means is if you're going to write a cross-platform app you would presumably have the same [TS]
01:13:26 ◼ ► business logic across both I was an android and those same classes completely shared cetera [TS]
01:13:31 ◼ ► but the you would be pretty much compelled to have a user user interface specific for each platform. [TS]
01:13:42 ◼ ► and they try to make the user interface code generic amongst both platforms as well informed. [TS]
01:13:52 ◼ ► when you ask for I think it's mean one thing in a titanium Actually it doesn't matter one of the javascript ones [TS]
01:14:03 ◼ ► and if you ask for teh barn Android you'll get one of the Android equivalent is and it'll be on the top [TS]
01:14:07 ◼ ► but it's still trying to be all things to all people. Where is Amarin at the time anyway. [TS]
01:14:14 ◼ ► Was not that way and you would have to definitely write separate user interfaces per platform [TS]
01:14:24 ◼ ► and everything like that so I think that fish I've already probably done more to to bring them around [TS]
01:14:36 ◼ ► and probably cumulated massive every effort that has come out of the Lex world parents is interesting I'm very curious [TS]
01:14:44 ◼ ► to see where it goes to be honest like I said I don't know that it will affect much unless somebody like John it fed [TS]
01:14:49 ◼ ► embraces this to make some wonderful new thing but I don't so I was somewhat surprised to see it [TS]
01:15:08 ◼ ► What do you use for version control if not get what you get for the same reason that a lot of people use get which is a [TS]
01:15:15 ◼ ► and that if I want to use a lot of open source anything if I want to open source a library if I want to open source [TS]
01:15:23 ◼ ► Generally speaking you need it is it is wise if you want to have any contributions [TS]
01:15:34 ◼ ► and therefore use get I don't know that there's a lot of areas of my life where I kind of pick like the they'll turn of [TS]
01:15:41 ◼ ► and for every reason I didn't do that this time because there's a lot of downsides that approach a lot of times like [TS]
01:15:47 ◼ ► Drive that was dumb but so many so many things that I thought it was good to have D.V.D. RAM then you're fine. [TS]
01:15:54 ◼ ► I did not have D.V.D. RAM I don't know why there's a T.V. Remote due to ram is never popular. [TS]
01:16:03 ◼ ► But regardless I did not buy almost I was tempted to buy a D.V.D. RAM because it's so much better for data integrity. [TS]
01:16:10 ◼ ► It actually is way better in so many ways for integrity but I resisted and instead bought D.V.D. Plus R.W. [TS]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and I made a sports metaphor I was about to say good is not the Yankees way still isn't up to date [TS]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and that I will never get was never the Yankees so what do you so worked on you know I guess I have a choice [TS]
01:16:45 ◼ ► and for the club for the centralized version non distributed versions of them so not me here all night to get not that [TS]
01:16:55 ◼ ► Subversion style like perforce better than any of this other centralized ones I've used but I completely agree. [TS]
01:17:10 ◼ ► and they all work according to a paradigm that is totally foreign to perforce right [TS]
01:17:13 ◼ ► and so we can't change you can't change it stripes can be like. Now I Am the Central. [TS]
01:17:18 ◼ ► It's just not it's like everything about it you know it's baked in to the design a pervert is never going to be like it [TS]
01:17:24 ◼ ► or material or something but it feels a need to add weird sort of hearted marking features like the P. [TS]
01:17:37 ◼ ► and so perverse does bother me every time I think about how much easier this will be one of the more modern version [TS]
01:17:44 ◼ ► but now I go backwards into the old mindset it's you know it's it's my it's my favorite of an old outdated lot. [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► Yeah I use perforce of my very first job in this was two thousand and four and at the time I really liked it [TS]
01:18:04 ◼ ► or you know Hey John what would you like to use in the whole company will use that what would you what would you [TS]
01:18:10 ◼ ► but I would hold my nose the whole time like one person in the Jeremy Apparently I've never heard people say that they [TS]
01:18:17 ◼ ► get is a gross get is totally gross not in the functionality that it has but in the user interface [TS]
01:18:26 ◼ ► when you design a program the user interface is sort of you have to build sort of the user model of how this program [TS]
01:18:32 ◼ ► You've got the model of how the internal guts of the market you have to run the user model and a set of vocabulary [TS]
01:18:39 ◼ ► and verbs that expose the functionality that you've made possible of your application in a friendly way [TS]
01:18:47 ◼ ► and everything the options they use represent those words the whole big structure of the sub commands in the flags [TS]
01:18:53 ◼ ► and how they go to it in a different OS just terrible because a million web pages about it is the total user interface [TS]
01:18:58 ◼ ► failure but you know that's the functionality is great and it's free and it's open source [TS]
01:19:03 ◼ ► and get help exist so there are many other things to reckon in and you know it comes out ahead in net net [TS]
01:19:09 ◼ ► I mean if you know if you played with the merc serial which I cannot pronounce apparently because what it was is the [TS]
01:19:18 ◼ ► team that was on a tirade about the junkets though are still rocking the material I think he may have the more elegant [TS]
01:19:29 ◼ ► Right because everything so much infrastructure and is built around getting people to expect you to use it [TS]
01:19:35 ◼ ► and it's like every Carol had one it's like you know Betamax and ones that are V.H.S. [TS]
01:19:46 ◼ ► That's a better analogy than the Yankees I think it is Marco you tried that one time [TS]
01:19:57 ◼ ► Some of them are going to try to pronounce me curios basically. It with fewer features a better U.I. [TS]
01:20:09 ◼ ► and as they hear this if I'm wrong scale linearly with the number of files which is fine if you have a smaller posit [TS]
01:20:26 ◼ ► So I'm not that's not a slam against Get a slam against how we manage our code but that is something to consider [TS]
01:20:34 ◼ ► and that's another reason the material is not a clean one over good and they have a nicer interface [TS]
01:20:48 ◼ ► and can do a lot of amazing things in a tool in the ecosystem built around good make it more valuable than mercurial. [TS]
01:20:57 ◼ ► Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week mandrill Squarespace and hover and we will see you next week. [TS]
01:21:06 ◼ ► Now to be an accidental accidental John and you are now getting access to that list and Michael. [TS]
01:22:06 ◼ ► Because of the agreement that you have with analog. First of all how is your baby monitor doing this agreement. [TS]
01:22:19 ◼ ► Basically Mike had said mostly jokingly that he is going to I don't think we've released this one yet this might be the [TS]
01:22:26 ◼ ► one where he's proposing some kind of agreement between the two shows that that most of the feelings will go on their [TS]
01:22:40 ◼ ► Yeah I think remember here now this is a nose ring a bell that's total bogus itself immediately. [TS]
01:22:48 ◼ ► Furthermore declare war against the baby monitors. Good. We basically have the same baby monitor the you have. Yeah. [TS]
01:22:59 ◼ ► But babies good. He's every day is a little different but it weighs I can't describe which is the oddest thing. [TS]
01:23:15 ◼ ► but it just everything is just a little bit different when you're that young I mean he's two weeks today actually. [TS]
01:23:22 ◼ ► It is everything is expected in some ways to be different I get today we noticed actually here's an empirical exam [TS]
01:23:26 ◼ ► or a specific example you notice that I think he's starting to be able to cry as and generate tears. [TS]
01:23:46 ◼ ► But I mean all in all everything's fine still sleeping more than expected less than desired. [TS]
01:23:51 ◼ ► But you know it's all good. So as some general advice Things change quickly and like like he. [TS]
01:24:04 ◼ ► Second had to that he looked with a different get and he of course will act differently get more abilities. [TS]
01:24:11 ◼ ► What I would recommend is do this but like don't forget to take pictures and don't forget to take video. [TS]
01:24:24 ◼ ► or somewhere like on a kitchen counter we will leave it out so that taking a picture of him doesn't doesn't require set [TS]
01:24:34 ◼ ► and take the pictures you know make it make it very casual make it make it like an everyday easy thing to do. [TS]
01:24:47 ◼ ► or fed to him a video is fine you know doesn't it matters less for video if I protect the title quality of it [TS]
01:24:52 ◼ ► but video it really captures captures time captures a moment a way that a lot of photos you know they can the video [TS]
01:25:03 ◼ ► And so like you know don't like don't go like six months of taking a video you know because because what you're going [TS]
01:25:09 ◼ ► to see is going to look back in a year and be like oh my god I can't believe he used to look like that [TS]
01:25:24 ◼ ► Now it's funny bring that up because friend of the show underscored David Smith actually came down this morning. [TS]
01:25:35 ◼ ► and I've had our fancy cameras basically sitting on our coffee table just not always so either Aaron [TS]
01:25:42 ◼ ► And at one point and he allowed Aaron and I to hold Declan for a moment and I mean that a good way not a bad way. [TS]
01:25:51 ◼ ► And so all of a sudden I heard the Shutterfly going in the background because you know Dave's a nice guy [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► Started taking a few pictures of the three of us which I actually that reminds me I haven't gone back to work [TS]
01:26:08 ◼ ► but it's because it was just sitting there because he knows that I don't I wouldn't mind him doing that in fact I [TS]
01:26:17 ◼ ► and I got to assume that at least one if not several of those are going to be really awesome. [TS]
01:26:21 ◼ ► Especially because it's not often that you have all of us all three of us in one shot because usually it's either me [TS]
01:26:27 ◼ ► or Aaron taking the pictures so I hear you. You know those good moves by underscore that he's the best. [TS]
01:26:35 ◼ ► First of all are you going to have formal pictures taken on any sort of schedule and if so what is the schedule. [TS]
01:26:42 ◼ ► I know your schedule so it depends on how you define formal We are taking pictures every week [TS]
01:26:56 ◼ ► when we were at the hospital which if you'll permit me to go on a rant I can go on a rant about [TS]
01:27:04 ◼ ► and I haven't talked to him about this yet maybe like every year we might do it especially in the beginning [TS]
01:27:09 ◼ ► when he still changing as you know all the time I don't necessarily feel like we need to do that every year forever [TS]
01:27:15 ◼ ► more but I don't remind me of that after I've done this for eighteen years straight. [TS]
01:27:21 ◼ ► And an issue as there and about as you have another discovery or she may have a different plan in mind. [TS]
01:27:33 ◼ ► and family around that will take pictures of us with a decent camera and that we have a decent camera [TS]
01:27:38 ◼ ► but obviously there's something to be said for professional shots and so when we were in the hospital [TS]
01:27:42 ◼ ► and this is going to make it in the really show because it's stupid but it pisses me off [TS]
01:27:46 ◼ ► when we were in the hospital you know the blessid hospital photographer company comes around to say Would you like a [TS]
01:27:53 ◼ ► steak pictures and I knew this was coming because a co-worker of mine his wife does that. [TS]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Here's And so they set up Declan in like Basically she took the end of Aaron's hospital bed [TS]
01:28:07 ◼ ► and like did some magic where she fluffed the sheets in such a way that it looked like a freaking like set like a [TS]
01:28:13 ◼ ► photography set and you know put put Declan in it and you know took pictures with Declan on a knee on a side [TS]
01:28:22 ◼ ► and then there was one that's really adorable where that's just his feet with our wedding rings on him and [TS]
01:28:27 ◼ ► and so they were there only about ten or twenty shots that we got in the mail because of course we paid for them [TS]
01:28:33 ◼ ► and blah blah blah and the thing that really bothered me was when the woman was in there the photographer was in there. [TS]
01:28:39 ◼ ► She was she was really really nice and seem to be very good at what she does and she was using either a Canon [TS]
01:28:56 ◼ ► and these pictures that I got in the mail the file size of each of these pictures that came off a D.S.L. [TS]
01:29:04 ◼ ► Are that mustn't have been more than a year or two old was one and a half mags last year. [TS]
01:29:10 ◼ ► You got it you definitely got the you know resized a peg out of something yeah that's anything they're selling you in [TS]
01:29:17 ◼ ► the hospital it's always it's like if you get into a theme park it takes. Oh yeah. [TS]
01:29:24 ◼ ► It's so true in that in the doubly annoying thing was just on principle not because it mattered but just on principle. [TS]
01:29:32 ◼ ► Pega hyper compressed I think it was like twenty five hundred pixels by fifteen hundred pixels or thereabouts right. [TS]
01:29:42 ◼ ► But but not only that they deliberately stripped all the exit data do I need that X. [TS]
01:29:49 ◼ ► but the fact that some way during their whatever workflow they stripped out the excess data that's just insane to me. [TS]
01:30:04 ◼ ► and so I wrote an extraordinarily angry yet mildly polite email to them saying Are you freaking kidding me. [TS]
01:30:15 ◼ ► But I would I would just be happy with the on any version of the J. Of the compressed you know the J. [TS]
01:30:25 ◼ ► and I got an extremely short email back from them saying to them no you actually it said basically we're shipping you [TS]
01:30:33 ◼ ► something don't throw away that you can feel free to throw away the thing you already have when the new thing arrives. [TS]
01:30:39 ◼ ► But I don't know if that means that they're sending me a new CD with different files that they're sending me a CD with [TS]
01:30:52 ◼ ► and they will send me files that are bigger than fifteen hundred by twenty five hundred. Good luck with that. [TS]
01:30:58 ◼ ► There's no chance at a hundred fifty dollars is expensive to get a digital versions of professional pictures taken. [TS]
01:31:04 ◼ ► Maybe you should factor that into your schedule you're playing. Yeah we should have to come in and she is. [TS]
01:31:11 ◼ ► She's around because this is this is like a big part of of the photography business model and it's very challenging. [TS]
01:31:18 ◼ ► If you are a customer looking for a photographer who will give you the digital files at a reasonable cost especially [TS]
01:31:26 ◼ ► like and just and give you the right to print them yourself if you want to impose them to Facebook [TS]
01:31:31 ◼ ► and everything that is not common among photographers it's slowly becoming more common but it's still very uncommon. [TS]
01:31:39 ◼ ► but they'll charge you a bazillion dollars charge you so much money that you are deterred from ever doing it. [TS]
01:31:44 ◼ ► Now the interesting thing about this though was into their credit they did on the CD that came with these three [TS]
01:31:55 ◼ ► Which was a copyright release for personal use and that was extremely surprising to me because. [TS]
01:32:00 ◼ ► I remember when we were interviewing photographers for a wedding in this was in two thousand and seven. [TS]
01:32:06 ◼ ► and the guy we ended up going for very clearly was extremely particular about how we were going to use the digital files [TS]
01:32:23 ◼ ► and in fact I asked him if he was going to strip the excess data he looked at me funny [TS]
01:32:30 ◼ ► but that being said he lectured us like thirteen different times about how the only way you can use this is to print [TS]
01:32:38 ◼ ► things for yourself and your family anything else and he will basically take us to court [TS]
01:32:46 ◼ ► It it was very nice of them to include a copyright release I don't know why it would ever be an issue. [TS]
01:32:54 ◼ ► and say no no no look I'm just printing it for myself I'm not trying to sell it. Here's the copyright release. [TS]
01:33:02 ◼ ► or two ago just out of curiosity because it struck me weird that he was that into holding the copyright for these [TS]
01:33:10 ◼ ► and my understanding is he wanted to be able to resell him the pictures he took of us to like wedding magazines [TS]
01:33:21 ◼ ► Well that's not that's not the real reason because you can you can have like oh copyright like you like the [TS]
01:33:34 ◼ ► and I think that's what basically sort of kind of happened with these hospital pictures. [TS]
01:33:44 ◼ ► and especially the older photographer like suckers who who have been working live before digital even like you know old [TS]
01:33:51 ◼ ► school photographers they makes they make such a big percentage of their money from the prints and the books [TS]
01:34:00 ◼ ► They make so much money from that that if you ask them for the source whether it's negatives [TS]
01:34:05 ◼ ► or order your files to go do whatever you want with the reason why they don't want you doing that is because that's [TS]
01:34:12 ◼ ► going to cut into a lot of their money and it's a lot better. Like it's a simpler business model. [TS]
01:34:18 ◼ ► If you just charge more upfront just say All right well you know I if I need to make two thousand dollars from your [TS]
01:34:32 ◼ ► and of course you want to get one of your grandparents or one of your parents or one for yourself and one for those [TS]
01:34:45 ◼ ► and that's what tiff does that's that's been his I wish she should come in here and tell tell you this. [TS]
01:34:56 ◼ ► and gives people digital files because what most people want to do is like posting to Facebook [TS]
01:35:06 ◼ ► And she you know she has she she has like you know she's integrated with a big professional printer [TS]
01:35:11 ◼ ► and she just offers those prints some tiny margin above cost like to make it worth her like sending the files [TS]
01:35:17 ◼ ► and basically she's basically offering them at cost so people can get professional prints made. [TS]
01:35:26 ◼ ► and that's like that's what most people want you know that that's most people want that out of their photographer [TS]
01:35:33 ◼ ► and the younger photographers are are more likely to be willing to do that but it's still a problem [TS]
01:35:40 ◼ ► when you get like one of the one of the old school ones who who still want to do things the old fashioned way where you [TS]
01:35:51 ◼ ► but I went looking up to try to find the photographer our wedding photographers website to see kind of if he was still [TS]
01:36:00 ◼ ► He's definitely not a wedding photographer anymore some pretty sure I'm OK on the copyright because apparently he's not [TS]
01:36:07 ◼ ► really making money from it anyway. Well five years after he dies you can do whatever you want with them. [TS]
01:36:24 ◼ ► and I'm still waiting on a CD to get digital copies of pictures that were taken to me [TS]
01:36:34 ◼ ► Oh hell yeah it was and it was around one hundred fifty dollars and we did get a few prints out of it. [TS]
01:36:39 ◼ ► But to your point a minute ago basically it was the CD is one hundred thirty dollars and [TS]
01:36:46 ◼ ► and in for twenty dollars more you could get like thirteen prints making up the details for something on those lines [TS]
01:36:54 ◼ ► and so at that point like well why not just get the you know ten prints or whatever [TS]
01:36:59 ◼ ► and for that for the twenty dollars and so we got like a humongous picture Declan That's like fifteen by ten inches [TS]
01:37:06 ◼ ► But why not just charge one hundred twenty dollars for the shoot and have them email you the photos. Exactly exactly. [TS]
01:37:13 ◼ ► That's that's that like they'll make more that way it's actually like they're wasting their money making the stupid [TS]
01:37:23 ◼ ► Well don't forget to actually make prints though because you want to vary the integer you want the original files [TS]
01:37:29 ◼ ► but if you want the aliens to dig up pictures of your child after that you've got to have paper ones so compressed with [TS]
01:37:38 ◼ ► and maybe be preserved in some little bubble they'll be able to find those because they will be able to read it [TS]
01:37:49 ◼ ► or something it's good to have like prints of your family and relatives houses. Yeah. [TS]
01:38:02 ◼ ► when he said something along the lines of what happened with my email was a secretary read it thought that the CD was [TS]
01:38:08 ◼ ► damaged and I am about to get another copy of the exact same CD that I already have. There is probably true. [TS]
01:38:14 ◼ ► We just took pictures of it run a yearly schedule this point and we just took them one yesterday actually [TS]
01:38:20 ◼ ► and the CD they gave us for the first time was unreadable. So I was shame. Can you get like a replacement. [TS]
01:38:28 ◼ ► but it was it was unreadable in a way that revealed the first set of terrible Yosemite bugs that I've seen in the [TS]
01:38:34 ◼ ► second readable C.D.N. Find of reason to mention everything free that I had hard power down which is that that's cool. [TS]
01:38:42 ◼ ► It doesn't even feel like this they're going to unreadable or like you know system is totally useless [TS]
01:38:50 ◼ ► Yeah I tried it in both of my optical drives the amp to the Dr and I both pro and the out of the drive my mac pro [TS]
01:38:56 ◼ ► or which didn't freeze to the magnet work and I didn't freeze but my mac pro did anyway. [TS]
01:39:06 ◼ ► and gave us a CD so sign it if it started it started usually for like her bigger photo packages. [TS]
01:39:13 ◼ ► She would always get these beautiful custom C's printed by that by the by the thought of printing company with custom [TS]
01:39:19 ◼ ► booklets and everything the problem is like who has a CD drive anymore like those are on their way out. [TS]
01:39:24 ◼ ► For most people's computers like it it is very possible if you make a CD for a photo client this year they might not [TS]
01:39:33 ◼ ► and she found her sitting over to thumb drives for that for the big lines of the small [TS]
01:39:40 ◼ ► and that's all most people need like all this physical media is so quickly becoming outdated. [TS]
01:39:54 ◼ ► and immediately put them on this analogy not only because I was scared that eventually we weren't we wouldn't. [TS]
01:40:02 ◼ ► and I think John you've talked about this one the past one of those D.V.D.'s eventually rot to the point that I can't [TS]
01:40:08 ◼ ► Yeah I have tons of up to us that are probably that actually pulled a bunch of old like animated stuff out of a lot of [TS]
01:40:14 ◼ ► us and I think most of them are going to the thing with no data integrity have no way of knowing [TS]
01:40:21 ◼ ► and unless I watch every single one of them through it one expiate I don't know which one of them's got a corrupt all [TS]