0:00:00I'm drinking a little hot chocolate right now
0:00:01and now I've gone from freezing cold to overhearing what is your trouble of choice.
0:00:07I will answer that question you don't want me to answer that question. If I had to choose just one.
0:00:14This is me dodging by the way it would be the mud house in Charlottesville which is a little coffee house
0:00:18and Charles over JR But they have winter there. OK I'm right and I had to really bottle that one up for second.
0:00:26Please take note of who is doing this to you.
0:00:31But this particular hard charging which I do find to be quite delicious is a cheery cake up
0:00:36and shoot for the like me I don't member who makes us hot chocolate.
0:00:41Well on one hand when you said I was not going to like the answer. I never thought it would be that bad.
0:00:46Hell I would never do that either. What did you think it was like the Swiss Miss instant stuff.
0:00:51Yeah yeah which is probably better. That used to be my hot chocolate of choice.
0:00:55If you think about like what hot chocolate requires really I mean yeah you can do it the good way with milk in a pot
0:00:59and easily heat up and down that much about how much work it really isn't that much work just to clean the pot
0:01:04but if you think about like what most hot chocolate it really is just like you know the packet where you add water
0:01:09and heat
0:01:10and make certain that it occurred machinist problem probably does just as good of a job at that as the gum in a pack
0:01:16into a mug and stirring it like it's not probably is not that much worse.
0:01:20Might even be slightly better in some ways so that I think is a is an official Marco approved usage of a current
0:01:28machine is if you're not going to ever actually make coffee in it which I'm kind of curious why you even own one of
0:01:32these machines because you hate coffee is it for Aaron.
0:01:34No actually the funny thing about it is this machine was given to me by Aaron as a Christmas gift like two years ago
0:01:41because I freakin love the hot chocolate to come out of it when it's time.
0:01:44Now inevitably what ended up happening is Aaron uses it constantly so it was like a bowling ball gift you know what I
0:01:50mean like the stereotypical bowling ball gift with a bowling ball say Aaron on it yeah right.
0:01:56But no I asked for it I was like No I really honestly want to Keurig and then.
0:02:00She got it for me
0:02:01and inevitably I use it like three months out of the year you know the only time it's winter down in Virginia
0:02:07and she uses it the entire year. All right you are just in fall. Let's do it.
0:02:12We got a really good e-mail from an anonymous former Apple employee and John you want to talk about this for us.
0:02:20Sure this is about I work which we've been kind of half heartedly complaining about for the past two shows speculating
0:02:29about a commitment to the office suite and what what effect it's mediocrity might or might not have on the platform
0:02:37and here is a supposedly poured from anonymous employee from what's going on with our work.
0:02:44And here she says i work i Pad basically needs to be a rewrite for various reasons for compatibility on the mac though
0:02:51this basically meant we need to port I work for the i Pad to the mac which meant work reimplementing a ten year old
0:02:56office suite. So that's what we were talking about before.
0:02:59Marco mentions about the strategy tax of the idea that I work has to be on the i Pad and on the web
0:03:04and that's the strategy and the taxes we have a perfectly good mac version
0:03:09but tough luck we have to basically take the I O.
0:03:11Us one and ported to the MAC even if it means losing features even mean spending all the time on it
0:03:16and so here is an arm is confirmation of that and then the other I guess could be considered a tax as well.
0:03:24The strategy is all fun really strategized a cost of being a first party piece of software is that
0:03:31when Apple comes out with new features in its O.S.
0:03:33Whether it's like auto save from lyin or a spotlight in tiger or a quick look in Leopard
0:03:39or continuity in your family guy. Keep these names straight.
0:03:43It's the responsibility of Apple's first party apps to implement those features.
0:03:48So in the same way I mean third party developers feel harried by the stuff as both a goal is a new version the O.S.I.
0:03:53Gossip world for stuff but Apple even more pressure internally.
0:03:57Say I work means to implement all these great new features.
0:04:00So when there would rather be you know working on features that are important to the applications like well we can't.
0:04:06If we're going to do auto safe we have to have it on our apps good looks better we say hey developers ever
0:04:10and if you do autosave but oh by the way I work on do or say where you can implement quick look
0:04:14but our applications don't employ a quick look. So this person concludes.
0:04:19Yes Can Devlin feel from the outside that our work is understaffed and not a priority
0:04:22but working is actually pretty large for a teen and Apple in some ways it's the fact that it is a priority
0:04:27and the consequent and the consequent strategy taxes that push the team this way and that the results
0:04:32and less obvious future progress for our work year to year so there you go one.
0:04:36One report purportedly from the inside about what the deal is with I work next on there makes sense.
0:04:43It's still a bummer and it's hard you know if I wasn't a developer right I think I'd find it very hard to swallow
0:04:49but I mean I get it just stinks.
0:04:52Yeah I mean if it's more or less what we thought like you could see from the outside the whole unification
0:04:58and how that's going to be a cost right now
0:05:00and the pressured implement the new technologies like I said people third party available from the outside as well.
0:05:06We just like to think that and this is kind of a silly thing to think but it's difficult to avoid that.
0:05:12Apple's got so much money surely they can get enough resources to do a good enough job on this office suite right.
0:05:21And money doesn't turn into developers
0:05:24and that's to gets back to the you know the second level matter problem of how does Apple hire
0:05:28and retain going employees and do good employees want to stay at a company where what they do is dictated so heavily
0:05:35and risks
0:05:36and constrained so heavily with a rather work of someplace like Google where a lot of try twenty different things
0:05:41and it's a difficult problem
0:05:43but we can they go you know you're the mighty Apple you should be able to do this you have all this time knowledge
0:05:48resources all this fame and all this prestige
0:05:50and back in the day all these potentially valuable stock options to give
0:05:55and yet somehow you can manage to release a release and maintain it.
0:06:00And insert your favorite application that you think Apple is neglecting here.
0:06:03So but it's a lot more difficult then than it seems from the outside.
0:06:08That's not expects using it it's just like you said it's kind of a bummer all around them.
0:06:13All right so we also I don't know if it was weird me somebody got a handful of tweets from Jonathan Solon sure who is
0:06:21Simon West on Twitter regarding microsoft dot net I've not had the time to look into any of this since we spoke about
0:06:28it last week about the open sourcing of more bits of dot net but Jonathan said you can take airspeed on at source
0:06:35and dump it on a west and it includes the new dot net stuff includes
0:06:39and I guess platform agnostic version of the server runtime you literally run I.I.S.
0:06:45On O S ten or Linux on Russell in Kampala.
0:06:48Yeah well it's weird but the new Ruslan compiler compiles the source at runtime.
0:06:53So if you deploy source to the server and I ask compiles and loads it for you.
0:06:58And again this is why a Common Language Runtime
0:07:01or what's the swift equivalent still is a right so my kernel that there is no I haven't learned I'm a governance West.
0:07:08Well I thought that it compiled down to some sour whatever.
0:07:11Well now that I know that you can compile anything tell the M. Byte code.
0:07:14That's not really buying you anything well fine.
0:07:16Well here was I thought I was smart I was wrong
0:07:18and anyway the new roughly comparable I heard you talk about that deploying a S.P.
0:07:23Dot net source includes cross-platform Dot Net runtime
0:07:26and I asked runtime so you can run it on Linux from thumb sticks so you could actually run Internet Information Server
0:07:32if you so desired which is what I see is which is kind of the Microsoft equivalent of Apache if you'll permit me to
0:07:39make a terrible analogy. You could actually run that on a stand which is either new easy mail Casey please email me.
0:07:46I guess I don't know why you'd want to necessarily but you could do it would be in the chat room says Microsoft.
0:07:51These Dockery images for S.P.
0:07:53Dot net I guess is make sense because I think we should have you know Jeff I went on to something.
0:07:57I asked him how they deploy a stack of loan. I've actually been on Windows servers.
0:08:02I don't know and what they do is speed and I think of using it for discourse as well
0:08:06and it makes sense to have Linux servers in this the most interesting thing about this is something as I'm sure not new
0:08:11but it's new to me the idea that you deploy the source to the server as if it's like a scripting language
0:08:17and doesn't just compile it for you.
0:08:21That seems nice to me I don't know why but I don't like the idea of like building a binary
0:08:27and then pushing a binary up doesn't feel web for someone who's spent so many years writing stuff
0:08:32and then just you know just runs like a jolly good this one's It runs in the browser or whatever your you know P.H.P.
0:08:38or Perl or Python or whatever runs on the server and there's no compilation step
0:08:44and so it's neither doing the same thing.
0:08:46But Jim is not you know an amazing taking of me but I had to think it feels feels Webby to me.
0:08:50Well
0:08:51and even in Windows there are there are a lot of things that get compiled at runtime the first time they're necessary
0:08:59and in fact project I did a few years ago we were using what is now Microsoft I nam expired at the time was called
0:09:06C.R.M. and What it ended up happening was we were leveraging the C.R.M. A.P.I.
0:09:13Which is a bunch of soap of course because it's Microsoft and the way C.R.M.
0:09:19Works is you can kind of build up entities on the planet on the fly but you can you direct C.R.M.
0:09:24To build up these entities so you know a customer includes whatever unique fields you want to include
0:09:29and you basically build a relational database in the U.I.
0:09:33Well what ends up happening is they have strongly typed like classes
0:09:36and everything for all of these different entities that you've built.
0:09:40So what it was so in turn what ended up happening was the with still for the particular serum environment we were
0:09:47trying to hit was something like forty thousand lines of X.M.L. It was enormous.
0:09:52And what we were running into was every time we started I guess on a depth box on the real box didn't matter one way
0:09:59or another.
0:10:00Every time we started I guess it would pause for literally a minute
0:10:03and for the life of us we couldn't figure out what was going on.
0:10:07Well fast forward a few days of playing with it
0:10:10and it turns out what we were doing was since we were using proxy objects that were strongly typed versions of classes
0:10:19that represented the wisdom all those were all getting compiled at runtime as I started.
0:10:24And so that took a really darn long time since it was a forty thousand line with Oregon whatever the case may be.
0:10:31And so what we ended up having to do was explicitly precompile all of those proxy classes and include that D.L.L.
0:10:40In our deployment in order to prevent that heinous runtime and I bring all this up
0:10:44or load time every all the sup because my point is I was doing a compilation
0:10:48or perhaps the Donek framework was doing that compilation based on a request
0:10:52and I asked a question from the chat room discourse is Ruby not a ASP NET stack or closing speed
0:10:57and as well the chairman saying discourse is Ruby in all capitals I'm not sure is that something else like are you
0:11:03going to write like an initialism I don't think we have allies that correctly anyway.
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0:13:53So John you want to tell me about some of the stuff that the Germans have been doing with bendy i Phones you know we're
0:13:59going to go entirely.
0:14:00They based on the feedback is from Julian pointing us to a Web site that's written in German
0:14:04and I didn't even bother doing the Google translator thing of whatever because Julian was nice enough to summarize it
0:14:08for us but this is more unbending i Phones
0:14:12and gets into something that I mentioned on a couple of our past episodes about we don't know what the environment of
0:14:19the pocket is like on an i Phone What kind of forces can be applied in the pocket
0:14:23and apparently this website which is sort of the German equivalent of consumer reports according to Julian.
0:14:31Tried to figure this out by putting pants on people and having them sit down in different services
0:14:36and silence of our so here are the bullet point conclusions.
0:14:41He says it seems impossible to bend a phone when located in your front pocket. I think I think you get it done.
0:14:47Feel like it's just a question of how tight the pants are
0:14:49but if you don't know my pants that it doesn't is it it seems impossible.
0:14:53Sitting down on your phone in the back pocket results in defamation if you sit on the hard edge testing person report
0:15:00of the defamation was painful.
0:15:01So no unconscious spending possible again I can test this because if I don't I think it's possible to be wearing
0:15:10something very large and very tight on a person who is not in good touch with their body
0:15:15or parts of their body have become numb and not noticed in any way.
0:15:23I Phones and the Sony experience to which I assume is a phone where the only phones that bent
0:15:28and the wearing cast so there are some results if you can read German you can figure out whether the summary is
0:15:35accurate or not but I'm glad people are not letting our continuing to delve into the research here
0:15:41and say What is it like in a pocket for a phone and in the fall I don't know if it's fall over not
0:15:46but forever ago we were talking about the new U.S.B. Type C. Connector the basically the U.S.B.
0:15:51Clone of the Lightning connector worth reversible and smaller.
0:15:55And today the news came out about the Nokia N one tablet.
0:16:00Basically Nokia's clone of the i Pad Mini and it includes a clone of the lightning port in the form of the new U.S.B.
0:16:08Type seek center and I think this is the first one we've seen is that true. I've never seen it.
0:16:12I'm sure there was one that shipped on some P.C. Somewhere before that but this is the highest profile one I've seen.
0:16:20So here you know you can see on this version article they show this you know this whole thing and
0:16:24and it looks pretty much like it looks exactly like I think that there are in the picture if we don't have a good
0:16:30picture of like the of all the angles of the plug on
0:16:34and I think that you know of any other ones he said we had him only talked about it before
0:16:38but not in this particular shot and I don't think it's fair to call U.S.B.
0:16:42Type seek after the cloud of lighting here I wish it was a current Lightning connector instead it's a small rounded
0:16:48U.S.B.
0:16:49Connector with a little pins on the inside inside the outside Iran or whatever
0:16:52but this tablet is totally fair to call this a clone of the i Pad Mini because it's a type of clone where
0:17:01when you see the places where they deviate you think to yourself that deviation is intentional so they can feel it so
0:17:07they can sleep at night like he does differently than I did like the holes for the speakers in the bottom like that
0:17:13instead of having to be rectangular region they put a little you know actual curves that look like rounded edges
0:17:19regions are
0:17:19and then as jungle respond points out a different a different number of roads that are in two rows of dots in three
0:17:25rows and so it's like you know when they're doing that they can look you know what you're doing.
0:17:29You're quoting I've had many and then you're like well we have to do something to be different
0:17:35and so they do they differ in the smallest tiniest little details so they can feel like they're not copying
0:17:41and this is an extremely shameless hardware design like looking at this like I do you think honestly like you said they
0:17:50do they do this they can sleep
0:17:51and I just think that they have just decided that they are morally bankrupt like they just don't even care
0:17:56and they say you know what. If we're going to partially clone it let's just go all the way.
0:18:00Then go like they did that the holes in the speakers are like we are. We're giving our own twist.
0:18:05Right but that's not a little thing like everything else it's basically like if you copy
0:18:11and paste on all the source code
0:18:12but you change the names of the variables this is basically the hardware equivalent of that.
0:18:16This is like you change the name of one global variable and one file I was it I mean
0:18:20and his Because the argument against cloning just take the other side of it because people are going to look at this
0:18:25and there is there is a kernel of truth underlying the B.S.
0:18:28Than about this if you're It's that when you have a tablet this is basically like a rectangular screen.
0:18:35There's only so many ways you can slice that there's no sense putting a bunch of lumps there they don't need to be
0:18:40there.
0:18:41Rounded edges like you're not going to make the edges point to say oh your edges around
0:18:45and I was a pointy point it is
0:18:46or don't like there is very little room for interpretation in a utilitarian device like this.
0:18:52That's the argument for like well it's not really a clone but you know it's got to be a screen like this forever
0:18:57but that is mostly B.S. Because I never minded like this thing.
0:19:02Copies just not just the overall shape of the details but also it's only obvious because it's been done.
0:19:07It could just as well been obvious and save the surface came out that every tablet has a kickstand right
0:19:13and it was there well you know of course is going to look like the servers you know everyone knows tablets are
0:19:17kickstands like i Pad didn't exist in the service of the Standard-Bearer tablet it could have been very different it's
0:19:23only like this is what tablets look like because the i Pad established the form
0:19:26and so I give people a pass for keeping the form I get to degrade terrace Grant rounded edges.
0:19:33I say that's fine but even that you have to admit like that comes from the existence of the i Pad
0:19:38but this doesn't just copy the form as so many other tablets before it copies down to the minute it's little details
0:19:45except for the parts very consciously deviate to the minute details to try to say see we're not really copying so is
0:19:50just I almost have more respect for like the i Phone clones from China that try to clone it exactly right down to
0:19:58trying to say the word I thought on the back will use it.
0:20:00If instead of a peer something and he's there know what they're doing they say we're going to copy the i Phone.
0:20:04Exactly. Appearance wise unless you look really close. And that I think almost a more noble endeavor.
0:20:13Nokia is doing here but you know it is like no this is a legitimate prog moon I got a clone
0:20:17or not I get sued by Apple I this is ridiculous.
0:20:21Well
0:20:21but this is Foxconn apparently if you look at this verse article now I'm quoting Nokia is partnering with Foxconn to
0:20:26build the N one licensing the industrial design Nokia brand in Z.
0:20:30Launcher software to the device maker I guess industrial design means it was Nokia's designedly I mean everyone's eyes
0:20:35and things to people at Foxconn to have them built.
0:20:37Well
0:20:37but does that require licensing just to build it like is Apple licensing the design to Foxconn to build an i Pad
0:20:44and i don't i'm a video of how that works.
0:20:46There is there are stories like like with the with the first Black Berry I mean the only Black Berry Playbook where
0:20:51like they were like so I think it was Foxconn one of the big manufacturing had this basically stock tablet design
0:20:58and Blackberry you know just sort of make that stick out.
0:21:01Secondly on a forensic or software on it and that's the playbook
0:21:04and then number the first Kindle Fire was almost the exact same thing it was like the same time by the same people with
0:21:09like slightly different.
0:21:11They're basically white labeling it like slightly different things on the front and that was the Kindle Fire.
0:21:16I'm pretty sure Apple does not do you know Apple definite is not that they have occasionally done it with Intel where
0:21:23from what I've heard it people feel free to write in and correct me from what I've heard.
0:21:26Oftentimes Intel will do a lot of the design work of Apple's motherboards where they called logic boards an Apple ad
0:21:35and sing Occasionally I forget seven of many this time but you have a I don't think it extends really much past that
0:21:43and even that it probably is not that frequent.
0:21:46Apple has helped design goes a little bit ago in that Pavel's push for wherever those machines that like you know the
0:21:54milling the computer controlled milling machines that take a block of them and carve it into a case or whatever like.
0:22:00Apple starting with a MacBook Air Apple has put a lot of money into buying more and more of those machines
0:22:07or financing the purchase of those machines for factories that build it stuff
0:22:11and now there are a bunch of factories with the ability to you know the companies that make those machines made money
0:22:16because they sold more of them and they can make more than they can bear.
0:22:18So essentially the manufacturing technology to make something like the products Apple has made is now more available
0:22:25than it would have been if Apple hadn't pushed for this type of design so there is sort of a global effect on the
0:22:29supply chain of Apple selling a lot of devices like this
0:22:32and putting a lot of money into the tooling to make device like this which means now this manufacturing capacity
0:22:37and manufacturing know how and the companies with experience doing this is available to companies other than Apple.
0:22:43Partially because Apple does in the same way Apple benefits from all the semiconductor technology that it takes
0:22:50advantage of memories of a guy because other people are just buying a lot of things
0:22:53but it's all part of an ecosystem so it's not too strange to see successful materials
0:22:58and manufacturing processes that Apple may have pioneered now being popular because it's a good idea.
0:23:04More people should be doing it
0:23:05but I just feel like the very least I don't I don't mind you making a rounded rectangle screen I think that's what a
0:23:11tablet is more or less you know I give you that it can it can be very i Pad like
0:23:16but there's something with video I kind of like that was the nexus six tablet which everyone has like a robbery back on
0:23:23and stuff like that that I think was better than an i Pad I wish my i Pad out of every back like that because I think
0:23:29it's great you don't you know it makes it a groupie
0:23:31and more comfortable every night that that's a way to differentiate yourself from Apple do something different
0:23:36and better. Don't try to do exactly the same thing do something Apple probably won't ever do.
0:23:41Yeah you know they probably should because the exit like there's like there's a market for some of the things I like
0:23:46things things like the like the back things like you know make
0:23:50and have a version of the tablet that's half an inch thick
0:23:53and has amazing week long battery life like the things that Apple would probably never do those many of those things.
0:24:00The markets
0:24:00and it's perfectly respectful to address those like if you're not going off knocking off all the way like don't don't
0:24:06knock off ninety five percent of it really knock it off or go your own way
0:24:11and make something that that would not be mistaken by many many casualties errors to be this thing so I have two
0:24:19thoughts on this. But first some real time follow up from the chat room.
0:24:23It's apparently the Nexus seven that you were thinking of. Or so I'm told either way.
0:24:28First question I have is looking at this verge article the hero image at the top is that Monument Valley on there.
0:24:33Yep it's available for Android.
0:24:35Well it is you know maybe that's maybe that's a canary five percent clone of Monument Valley.
0:24:38Now it's the real thing I'm pretty sure that we'll never find the real thing.
0:24:42OK I did not realize it is available for Android
0:24:44and then finally if you look all the way at the bottom you can see a close up of both ends of the reversal U.S.B. Port.
0:24:50Obviously the one and looks just like any other U.S.B. Port but the one that looks like a lightning connect connector.
0:24:56I'm pretty sure we knew this
0:24:57but what with the pins being on the inside I guess that just looks weird not bad just it looks so funny because I'm
0:25:04thinking I think to myself well that's no that's not a Lightning connector it's the U.S.B. Version of this tablet.
0:25:11On a quick glance you would definitely think it's a lightning connector
0:25:14and that oh no it's actually not I think it's bigger than a lighting actor like wider me an actor.
0:25:20Probably but it's so hard to tell here but it is there is very similar and there is a place that I wish the U.S.B.
0:25:27Spec it more closely copulating despite the fact that we went was for ever in telling me that Apple's lighting tables
0:25:33are garbage and shred and you know I'm still going through never having destroyed any first party Apple U.S.B.
0:25:43Do anything connector so obviously I'd baby my hardware to a degree that is outside the norm
0:25:49and no one is surprised that you know it's actually a little bit funny
0:25:53and I mean I don't know if this is how these things are supposed to work
0:25:57but if I had to buy an Android tablet like for to.
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0:26:07not be horrible like I am I bought an android test a vise.
0:26:12It's been it's gone very poorly
0:26:14but I always get like I got it I got a Kindle Fire I got one of the first Nexus seven and its will and a Barnes
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0:26:26and they've all been these awful devices was just hideous just terrible to use awful like you know battery issues
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0:26:36I feel like if I'm going to buy an Android tablet maybe maybe they just get the one of the complete ripoff
0:26:43and it might be somewhat usable to do what I want to use to not software obviously well Nokia makes nice hardware so
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0:26:54but the Chinese knockoffs on things are always like they look the same from a distance but
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0:27:06There is Ilan sure things
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0:30:20think those are probably taken
0:30:23and would probably be under squatting trademark problems it doesn't mean this in the world sounds like something that
0:30:29would be set on a sit com in like nine hundred ninety four
0:30:31when someone's trying to write a line about the Internet world
0:30:36and that's kind of a a real domain name to get actually redirect to Disney.
0:30:39That's the problem of all these new deal these they all sound like terrible jokes that you just need to be able to
0:30:44include backslashes and your L's
0:30:45and we will finally arrive I mean all this time with essentially the movie oh US Lego us is a do ridiculous animations
0:30:52that show in movies like no real computer works like that
0:30:54and then Apple made actually works like that is like well there's your movie although it doesn't be very dumb letters
0:30:59appear on the screen and now I know that just in the movie domain names is named world backslash. Yeah OK.
0:31:09It drives me nuts any time I watch any television show
0:31:11or movie where everything that the computer does creates a noise
0:31:15or some sort of sound effect where a window appears on a screen
0:31:20and makes a noise known as I've got to do that yet because who would smash their computers to bits
0:31:24and about you know in an office space style you know a printer destruction sequence for a day.
0:31:30If every window that appeared made a noise.
0:31:32Well there have been occasional like system plug in the stuff to do that as jokes based on movies
0:31:37but I would imagine it's the kind of thing kind of like if somebody's in front of you in line the grocery store is
0:31:41trying to use currency.
0:31:43I'm guessing like if you try to actually use one of those things in an office you would get your butt handed to you
0:31:48pretty quickly in an office like that's your noise bother even if yours alone in your house that would drive you insane.
0:31:55I mean they need you know the whole I think within every painting talking about showing.
0:32:00Extant stuff which is much more tasteful but there they do the movies to so that you would know to look at something
0:32:05but it's just at this point everyone is so familiar with computers
0:32:09and phones of all kinds that they can get away with that anymore they got to come up with another way to draw the
0:32:16viewer's attention because everybody knows what those look like it's not like Well most people know computers work like
0:32:20anyway so we can do whatever we want no you can't everybody knows now even little kids know I'm just disappointed we
0:32:27don't have the what was it like a spatial finder whatever from Jurassic Park.
0:32:32Oh God don't get Johns are not inspirational finder on there goes to show that there was a real as we have that it
0:32:39when I was a devout I was a baby you the little flying through three the interface thing. Yeah. In the S.G.I.
0:32:46Lab that the actual software that somebody made it was useless and stupid but it was real. I won it.
0:32:53It's a Unix system I know this well I have that reference points for sure. Now that's just you.
0:33:02You maintain a passing grade in that category.
0:33:06You're avoiding failing you're not you're not giving up it's high praise from John Syracuse thanks. I feel great now.
0:33:15All right let's talk about apparently some big happened today.
0:33:19Big week you want talk about watched it I actually did my homework I watch the video.
0:33:23I am stupefied that you have actually done your homework and John did you also do your homework.
0:33:28I read a lot of stuff and read a lot of tweets
0:33:30and I watched half of the video in the pause halfway through so you get to see yet that you are maintaining a passing
0:33:38grade. Now watch the rest of it later but you know it was it's like a half an hour long.
0:33:43So and does it go kind of slowly. Yeah it's it's given video pace and the problem is like the B.B.C.
0:33:51Videos you couldn't you couldn't open up in quick time you can speed him up playing like one point four X.
0:33:56These this video that was only a T.V. Live streaming thing.
0:34:01Like I had a half hour to watch it
0:34:02and I knew it would take me about fifteen minutes of that to figure out how to get a fan page to download all the
0:34:08little segments into an altogether into a file that I could speed up
0:34:11and I would therefore lose the gains I would have gotten from speeding it up
0:34:14but yeah this is something that could use a little bit of a speaking but otherwise I thought was really interesting.
0:34:21So we did we ever talk about underscores article like two weeks ago and
0:34:25when he was basically predicting what Watch it would allow us to do based on what Apple had said Yeah I know I know
0:34:30exactly what you're talking about I don't know if we ever spoke of it but he was more right than wrong
0:34:36but not one hundred percent right which is surprising because I thought he had nailed it when I read that article.
0:34:41Yeah definitely so.
0:34:43So our friends are under pretty good metrics article will intuit I'm I'm pretty sure we actually didn't get to it I
0:34:47think you're right.
0:34:48But anyway what we're going to have full native watch apps legibly to later next year what Apple said originally
0:34:56and this is not this is what I say this was announced when the watch was announced so that
0:35:00and to the most likely outcome is that at next year they will unveil it the native S.T.K.
0:35:08Between now and then you don't get native apps you get what you get a limited access to to the watch
0:35:15and everything seems to run basically controlled through an extension on your on your phone so it's like your i OS app
0:35:22has a watch a kid extension that I don't think any of this is in the eight right isn't like it's all public now I don't
0:35:29know main public page that thing that I have quoted in bold in the show is right off of Apple site you don't need to be
0:35:34logged in to get it right exactly so that you're absolutely right.
0:35:38As an extension it launches on your phone
0:35:40when the user taps something on the watch to to launch you also if your absence has sent push notifications will show
0:35:46up on the watch but we knew that already.
0:35:49So the phone this is often video it's actually I think you should watch if you're at all interested in the stuff.
0:35:55What we have now is more than I thought we would have. But definitely less than a full native S.T.K.
0:36:02So I thought we would only have what they are calling glances and actionable notifications
0:36:10and actual occasions where notifications can have a couple of buttons on them so you could like you know get out of
0:36:16question for a podcast
0:36:17and tap a play button which yes I know overcast not support yet I'm waiting for streaming to do that anyway so I
0:36:24figured you can show doesn't the watch as well and have there be a couple of buttons and that might be all you get
0:36:28and then a glance I figure to be like a read only view of you know some information from your app
0:36:33and tapping it would do basically nothing. I thought and we have those kind of things.
0:36:39I thought that was going to be all we were going to get until next summer. Turns out that we had a little bit more.
0:36:46And it's pretty interesting it's pretty limited
0:36:49but it's all the more than I thought we'd get so what we have in watch kit so far with with like the not quite native
0:36:58ASP but like the apps that were on the watch that interact with your phone.
0:37:02The phone is basically running a very very limited storyboard runner you define in your app in your i OS app
0:37:10and all you to find this extension and you give it like a static storyboard all the graphics
0:37:14and everything have to be included in that some things can be dynamically generated like like table rows.
0:37:20Obviously can be that I mostly generated but most things are static like you to find them at compile time
0:37:26and the watch O.-S.
0:37:29Basically like plays through this
0:37:30and any interaction it's taken it communicates back to your i Phone to the extension running on your i Phone to have
0:37:37that do any kind of actual computation. It's pretty limited.
0:37:40It looks real and I haven't the time to actually write any code with that yet
0:37:43but it looks pretty limited in things like any kind of dynamic abilities because tables all the stuff was also very
0:37:50interesting is the layout system you can specify an X. In a Y.
0:37:56Coordinate for an element that you're putting on screen you.
0:38:00Basically specify here are the elements I want to be on screen
0:38:02and by default biggest flow downwards there is stacked and it becomes like a scrolling downward view
0:38:09and then you can group things into these groups
0:38:12and groups are groups can be arranged like doing sub layouts so you can have a group that itself is arranged with its
0:38:21own little stack. Or you can have it arranged horizontally in a stack instead of vertically.
0:38:25Finally all those table based layout skills that even left weathering from the ninety's will be relevant again.
0:38:31If not it's been a long time since I've seen any of this but isn't a lot like swing number the original Java U.I.
0:38:37To look at there's a lot of you I think the first one I ever seen that did this
0:38:41and Cheryl's link for it to see if anyone remembers is Geo So I think G.E.O.S.
0:38:47Was a girl with a similar layout paradigm like I think swing that is why I forget what it's called it's not it's not
0:38:53the packing problem but it's a similar type of thing where you just take a bunch of boxes
0:38:59and fill in the empty space of the thing Geos had had a little bit of gravity associated with it as well
0:39:04but yeah this is not a new a new way to lay out a curious but it's not a great way to go either.
0:39:10For sophisticated things but very very very tiny screen there
0:39:13when I was looking through all the documentation it's like they are removing as many options as possible rather than.
0:39:19making you layout your U.I. The same way you would on a phone or on a Mac.
0:39:23But yes in a small screen they're saying just take away your ability to specify any of this stuff
0:39:27and How simple can we make it and this is pretty darned simple.
0:39:31Bunch of boxes they plug in you don't get that you get to control that you've got you've got settings for like for her
0:39:38color background color margins and spacing again it's like table based layout you know cell padding cell spacing.
0:39:45Yeah yeah.
0:39:46It's is it's a very very rudimentary level of control
0:39:51and it seems as though like multitasking It seems like is nonexistent for these for these kind of these types of apps.
0:39:56I'm sure in the future will have better multitasking and I'm sure the watch.
0:40:00The maps can convert multitasking to do things like continue playing audio while you're looking at something
0:40:04but from the description it sounds like what's most likely to happen here is that is
0:40:11when the user interacts with your actual When user launches your apple response unification the extension on your phone
0:40:16launches they control the watch session and then as soon as they said in the view that
0:40:20when the user stops interacting with your with your watch cap then your Apatow made it so there's basically no
0:40:27multitasking is what it sounds like. And although it's very similar in some ways to the very first i Phone S.T.K.
0:40:36The i Phone to point out the very first S.T.K.
0:40:38For the store has a lot of a lot of similar kinds of restrictions in some ways even more restrictive in that they can
0:40:45do a lot of things that you couldn't do back then but it's a similar level of permissibility
0:40:52and complexity where you're building pretty simple things. You have pretty basic control over them.
0:40:59There's a lot of guardrail set up there's a lot of restrictions set up there's there's a lot of limitations
0:41:05and we're not going to see like you know Angry Birds for the watch in this kind of system
0:41:10and I think games are going to be pretty much impossible.
0:41:14I also think we can look at some of the recent notification center after rejection drama.
0:41:21I Phone and i and looking at both that
0:41:24and some of the some of the hens they're dropping in the watch kit documentation and video.
0:41:29It seems as though they're going to be more strict about what you can
0:41:34and can't do in a watch out like i Phone where the frameworks limit you.
0:41:39You know if you can do something without calling a private you know.
0:41:43So if you can do something really crazy like if if let's say there was no Open G.L.
0:41:48On the i Phone if you can just make a butt load of CA layers
0:41:52and do everything you need with that Apple wouldn't reject you for that. You know like where is on the watch and it's.
0:42:00It's like kind of kind of the new Apple app store stuff with some of these new areas that we're allowed to put apps.
0:42:05It seems like they're going to be a little more restricted like things that you can do.
0:42:10You actually are not meant to do and we won't let you do them
0:42:14and so it would not surprise me to see it like that back when the after first launch on an i Phone before it was open.
0:42:20When when when we had the S.T.K.
0:42:23We knew the rules because you know the rules change quickly
0:42:28but you know during those few months where we could build up to we couldn't launch them yet.
0:42:32One of the rules in the after Garland's originally was like we're going to look at your apps
0:42:36and if they don't if they aren't high quality we might reject them
0:42:39and I thought as long as well as a bunch of other developers I thought that they would actually be like pretty pretty
0:42:45strict like your app and have to be like Apple levels of quality to to be approved in the App Store
0:42:50and of course that have not been the case at all there's tons of garbage after the app store because that's kind of an
0:42:54unforced pool standard to keep up.
0:42:59It kind of seems like they might be trying to do that with the watch with with the things they've said with some of the
0:43:04implications they've made and some of the notification center restrictions we've seen so far.
0:43:08It wouldn't surprise me if they are a lot more strict about about what you can do in a watch out
0:43:14and how good it has to be to be approved. You know I'm curious to see how that goes.
0:43:21But no matter what I am really surprised by the fact that this kind of paired splits of apps where the phone is doing
0:43:34pretty much all the heavy lifting.
0:43:36I'm surprised that we're seeing that now
0:43:39and it's really exciting because that means whenever the Apple Watch does come out next year there should be hopefully
0:43:47a fairly robust ecosystem of apps available shortly after launch and that's really awesome
0:43:54and the only thing that that you won't be able to do is is run an app where your i Phone isn't.
0:44:00Near by so the most obvious example of that I can think of is like a Run Keeper run monster
0:44:05or something like that where you want to leave your i Phone at home but go for a jog or something along those lines.
0:44:13Or maybe your third party pod cast.
0:44:15Yeah something like that won't be permissible yet or possible yet to your point Marco but
0:44:20but pretty much everything else that they've announced will be available is available and that's really exciting
0:44:28and I'm really looking forward to it.
0:44:29So you think about this implementation here with all these restrictions we just described.
0:44:34I can't help but think the entire watch is acting kind of like Choose your analogy.
0:44:39They're kind of like the push notification service
0:44:41and I us are kind of like what I had heard I'd never actually confirmed that the older possibly the current Apple T.V.
0:44:48Is where it's just one process that does sort of those little bundles
0:44:51and that the resources are so constrained what they want to have is a single process running all the time in memory
0:44:59with its working set with but they can control the C.P.U.
0:45:01Sovan all it does is sort of you know receive and load static packages of simple descriptions of U.I.
0:45:11It's basically storyboards or whatever static assets.
0:45:14And that's all it does and display them
0:45:16and relay information over Bluetooth to say the person could grasp on you want to you know transfer this bundle thing
0:45:22you want to display this they'll have a slayer's thing I'll wire the stuff up
0:45:25when someone presses I'll tell you which button they press and like and that's it
0:45:28and that makes me think like why would they launch different processes for that.
0:45:33Why wouldn't it just be one small process it's always in memory that is responsible for for doing all these hard things
0:45:41glances actual notifications
0:45:43and these you know watch kid whatever they're going to be called not quite native app type things maybe that's three
0:45:49separate applications instead of one
0:45:51but the whole idea is constrain your resources in the same with there's only one push notification service
0:45:56and I was like that that process will be running it will be a memory.
0:46:00It will do work on behalf of the applications they were generals in every single application this is back before a
0:46:05background rather than everything level cation running in the background there be one process there in the background
0:46:09it would tell you tell your application when you know basically resource constraints
0:46:14and was making me think is what are the resource constraints of this. This phone is a memory C.P.U.
0:46:20Is a battery and it's all those things to do we more than I us
0:46:23but what is the what is the key one that would make that type of influence ation assuming it is what they're doing
0:46:30possible and whatever it is I have to think like how are they going to new native apps on the same hardware.
0:46:37If there I mean that's I guess US rivers and I Why why don't we have native apps now
0:46:41and I want answers like that is not ready with a software stack in the same way they were ready.
0:46:45Well they didn't plan on an i Phone one point over anyway. They gave that ready for the end about right.
0:46:52But as the other part of it that like native apps they had to figure out how to let you run native apps of that letting
0:46:59people do something that will destroy the watch battery in fifteen minutes.
0:47:03I don't I don't know how this is all going to work out but this seems so incredibly constrained
0:47:07and makes me think the implementation is being so careful with with with everything with memory with C.P.U.
0:47:16With battery that I'm having trouble
0:47:19and visioning what the native app interface is going to look like this is so constrained.
0:47:25Yeah I mean part of it I think you're right that the tools are most likely the biggest cause why we don't have it up
0:47:32front but there's also there's also side effects to that like I think that's the cause.
0:47:39There's a couple other fortunate side effect to that being the case that will benefit from one of the biggest is people
0:47:45are going to be forming their opinions
0:47:48and their evaluations of the watches battery life before there are these full native apps.
0:47:54So you know if you know people you can tell people like oh well you shouldn't run.
0:48:00These things we shouldn't overuse these these types of things because that will that will enable effect better life now
0:48:05people will do whatever they want to do and in the bill yell at Apple if the battery is not as good as they want to be.
0:48:10So by restricting what they can do for the first X. Months of the of the thing being out that is its lead.
0:48:17It's forcing people to do things the way Apple has been to be done
0:48:21and to keep things kind of reasonable during the time
0:48:25when everyone's figuring out what kind of battery life is a thing get what what is the news for
0:48:29and secondarily having that can train wheels period where you can't do everything you want.
0:48:34Also gives it it it kind of forces people to think about like do I really want these things on a watch like do I really
0:48:42need a native app for whatever function I want to do it like I mean for cash I'm probably going to have to make a
0:48:48native app to be able to play when the phones on around like on in the jogging scenario.
0:48:52But for a lot of apps a watch kit. I Phone hybrid app might be all they need.
0:48:58And so maybe this is this is also having the fortunate side benefit of Apple kind of forcing developers if you if you
0:49:05want to get in early if you want to be aggressive
0:49:07and get in to watch kit now you're going to watch development now you have to do it the simple way first
0:49:13and then later on we unveil this.
0:49:16Then you'll be forced to be faced with a question of do I throw that all away and rewrite it with this new system
0:49:23or not.
0:49:23And many developers are going to choose no and that benefits apple
0:49:27and it benefits the watching it benefits users as long as they don't need all those extra functions they would have
0:49:32been getting.
0:49:33Because then there's less for the watch to do with their it gets better battery life you know like all these things so
0:49:39I think like Apple needs this time to do both.
0:49:45Let people love the watch for its for its battery life hopefully and also to force both customers
0:49:52and developers to not just jump to know I need to port my game to the watch
0:49:57or owing to port everything I ever do to the watch like.
0:50:00To force us to read to to kind of give the watch a clean start.
0:50:04Yeah I think you're right and it's just a really interesting engineering decision on both software
0:50:11and hardware sides to limit everything this is what John was driving at you know to limit everything so so severely in
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0:53:06Yeah on the on the resource constraints and everything.
0:53:10The advantage of the i Phone had
0:53:13and maybe the watch will have to with like sort of know if the beginning is you're going to write web apps
0:53:17or whatever and then I sort of hastily slap one together for two point and it was very mature and didn't do a lot
0:53:25and your apps for extremely constrained
0:53:27and slowly over time we got to you know push notifications them we got a real backgrounding amount we have multitasking
0:53:32in the background I like all the things that were slowly added I.O.'s came along with advancements in hardware lower
0:53:40powered ships more C.P.U.
0:53:42Power more RAM on the batteries probably stayed about the same size
0:53:47but you know like the base with the hardware became more power efficient did more with that power.
0:53:53And we definitely got more RAM So if the watch is going to start off really constrained like this.
0:54:00You know we're going to have native apps presumably you know within the first year of the thing those native apps you
0:54:07would imagine would be have to be like at least this constraint probably more constrained then the very first that I
0:54:13was to point out that the first S.T.K.
0:54:15You know the very first Iowa stats so that means no background processing like they already have push notifications so
0:54:22they're already up ahead of what I was apps for at that time.
0:54:28Could be you know even more constrained like these these two tweets
0:54:31or one from Craig Hockenberry thing that you can even subclass the watch get glasses that we can interface things you
0:54:39can even subclass them with.
0:54:40But the current paradigm and Pete Burgess replied
0:54:43and Twitter it's not like that would help there's no direct for you to override they aren't views.
0:54:49That's just like really constrained way to drive location it is not like oh hey you can just start drawing whatever you
0:54:56want or a custom controls do you know I have to imagine this is going to be super constrained
0:55:01and those constraints will only be lifted if and
0:55:03when the watch hardware becomes more capable because it's not like Apple suddenly discovered how to do multitasking
0:55:10and I was four point
0:55:11or whatever it was like This is what we can do with the hardware vailable And so that everything that the original i
0:55:16Phone including the lack of their party apps was made so like Marcus
0:55:20and so you could show like look how awesome the slowness is in a maze like people thought it was fake like you can make
0:55:26a U.I.
0:55:27That faster or you can do it if you just have if you control everything and put incredible constraints
0:55:32and everything and have one process running at a time
0:55:34and have the entire phone dedicated to trying to give you that smooth animation right
0:55:38and so the watch is going to follow that same path not because Apple doesn't know how to do those things because the
0:55:44harbour just isn't ready for it yet.
0:55:45Even more so than the first i Phone So I'm really looking forward to seeing how they can get how can how they can
0:55:53hardware themselves out of this situation vengefully get to the point where the watch hardware can start to get some.
0:56:00Those things that I was three point zero and four point one five point I had
0:56:04and I think it's going to be a long road because as we said we're talking about power constraints
0:56:08and making many many shows ago that you know battery technology that the capacity of batteries very forgiving massive
0:56:15battery how much energy can you get out of it is getting better slowly
0:56:19but that's what I think will be how to graph it shows like fifteen percent year over year if you're lucky
0:56:24or something like that that's not the way you're going to get any big wins the way you get big wins is by making
0:56:29everything on the electronics device use less power so the C.P.U.
0:56:33Power the screen uses less power you know the radios use less power that is the only way forward because you can't rely
0:56:39on like well next year I'll double the battery about you know you want less you're going to watch twice as thick
0:56:43or you know much better anyway.
0:56:46And that finally this all gets back to the idea that if you buy the very first Apple Watch Will your Apple Watch ever
0:56:53have multitasking.
0:56:55Probably not the first i Phones then right you can run I was four point over never was you know will have background
0:56:59processing on the original i Phone could not do background processing because about time the US could do that it
0:57:04couldn't run the original i Phone And if you're going to buy a piece of hardware
0:57:08and it's going to be obsolete because it can have these features that we think are going to be added over the years how
0:57:12do you deal with your ten K. Gold version of the one right there in the area.
0:57:17Ridge come full circle on the Appalachia I mean I'm honestly you know seeing seeing what we get today and watched it
0:57:24and as I mentioned earlier this is actually more than I expected the able to do compared to you know my you know what
0:57:32we saw earlier as we see this and then also knowing that next fall there's going to be this supposedly new S.T.K.
0:57:40With area next summer and fall with with native apps.
0:57:43I think you're right like a list of us are going to make a new watch next fall which would be repeats.
0:57:48Well we're going to be like a six month product cycle there.
0:57:53I'm kind of surprised that that's why I think it almost certainly is because of just tools limitations that.
0:58:00It doesn't make sense that if this is all we can do for I watch one of these for Apple Watch one point no hardware why
0:58:08next fall can we suddenly do more like that doesn't make a lot of sense.
0:58:12You know that's when you know next fall is when you're going to be able to do sort of the.
0:58:17If you could pretend that third party applications were available
0:58:20and I was one boy no i Phone No us how constrained would they have been. That's going to cost you even more so maybe.
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0:58:39Now it was accidental and accidental.
0:58:50John and you are now getting access to that list
0:59:13and there are so John what's going on with your i Phone because you've received an i Phone But is it activated what's
0:59:46what's happening.
0:59:47You know I feel when I ordered it like out of the beginning of the month I think I mentioned on the show
0:59:52and I had ordered it and then it was like expected to ship and seven to ten days in a did. And it finally arrived and.
1:00:00If you're right and Monday and stayed over Mark to sign for it and a lot cited took it out of the box
1:00:08and you see a little screen says hello in several languages and you swipe to the right
1:00:12and then it makes you pick a language and makes you pick the country that you're in
1:00:17and then what to do after that I think it wants you to connect to either a life I network or a cellular network
1:00:23and I connected to my wife I am put in my wife my password and then it says activating your phone
1:00:29and then it says your phone cannot be activated because the activation servers are temporarily unavailable this problem
1:00:35persists.
1:00:35Caller you know to contact Apple dot com slash support bottle block
1:00:40and I go right well maybe the server had hiccup there I tried again
1:00:45and I went you know the try again button the bottom didn't work
1:00:49and I said well maybe something with my wife I never let me try to over cellular So I turned off the wife I did forget
1:00:54this network tried over cellular same message activation server as a temporary unavailable I think the exact wording of
1:01:00the message was something like this.
1:01:02The error message is you know I haven't been a real bearing on what's actually going on
1:01:06but that was the error message I got and so I put it aside and you know continue working for the rest that day
1:01:12and try it again later and I'm still going on my guy.
1:01:14Well it said like try again and a few minutes and the problem persists in like one other problem is persisting.
1:01:20So I contacted Verizon to try to figure with the promise because of that activation problem as I have got this new i
1:01:26Phone just came out of the box. I can't activated and there's a little like on the first screen said hello.
1:01:31Or in several languages low high
1:01:33and low in a circle lower right corner if you tap that it gives you all your information about the phone like the semi
1:01:38Dini I.M.E.I.
1:01:39Di and all those different numbers and I got to have enough information
1:01:42and coverage in here so I spent a while talking to Verizon they got disconnected call back again
1:01:48and got disconnected again like just frozen stone support there. Their phone system is not great.
1:01:55People who work there. Same you know nice enough they.
1:02:00Our last knew what they were doing or could transfer me to someone who did
1:02:02but that the this is not good for a phone company that the audio quality of the phone interface as there are just
1:02:10terrible just sounds all static engross I get disconnected a lot like I did disconnect in mid-sentence
1:02:16and people I know not disconnecting me there in the middle talking and boom you know.
1:02:20And the worst part is and whatever call center there and you can hear all the conversations going on around them.
1:02:26I can listen to that like this is the basic requirement of a call center I should be able to hear other people's
1:02:31conversations like a privacy concern more than anything else
1:02:33or to sound like they were calling from Grand Central Station which is so grand central station is a post office
1:02:38or the terminal I was waiting for. Thank you Martin.
1:02:43Frankenstein's monster I don't know about it though I feel for these people's work environment anyway.
1:02:51They looked everything up until I go K.
1:02:53Well they went through this thing like Oh make sure this number is activated figured out what my cell phone number is
1:02:58because I couldn't since I have a track phone
1:03:00when you buy the i Phone online you can't port your number during the night you can only bring it for if it's another
1:03:05horizon number something you can't like.
1:03:07Basically if you have a track phone
1:03:08and you want to learn out of online you have to let them give you numbers just fine
1:03:11but I just wanted to get activated on the new number so for as an activated my number tell me it was this is my wife's
1:03:17horizon account so I had to go through the whole rigmarole every time I call explain that I'm not the account owner
1:03:22eventually worked it out so I'm allowed to do this now
1:03:24but they did a lot of calling her to ask for permission for me to do things their way
1:03:29and they feel like everything is active you know after going to like five or six people on several calls
1:03:33and several transfers are working my way up to people quieter and quieter offices.
1:03:39I'm talking to somebody like my third call and in my seventh transfer who I could not hear anything in the background.
1:03:45This person actually had a nice office know I cook everything on our end is active your phone number is activated
1:03:52betrayed every possible remedy up to and including taking the sim out
1:03:56and putting it back in which led me to tweet which I now regret.
1:04:00Come a similar route tools anymore
1:04:01and then for the next month I'll be getting tweets from people telling me where they did
1:04:04or didn't get assembled So bottom line is everybody thinks whatever their experience with phones are with i Phones is
1:04:11the same for everybody so some people like I always get a similar rule to all the other people like I've never gotten
1:04:16one and the other B.
1:04:18Will tell me what the Apple store told them about and I have no idea if this is him
1:04:23or Moto in my case I have not yet found it yes I've looked in the paper packet.
1:04:27No it's not connected to the cardboard thing with a little semicircle thing that folds out like many peoples I mean
1:04:32screenshots of I'm willing to believe that it's still in there somewhere and I haven't found it.
1:04:37But anyway it's not obvious. Doesn't matter you could have caught but anyway ignore them then and you delete the tweet.
1:04:42I mean like it was more I was really asking questions like I'm using like these things not come with are now I think I
1:04:47said What the.
1:04:48And eventually I'll let in stories I got for the Apple Support
1:04:51and they told me I asked about the SIM removal tool in the present
1:04:54and really knowing it like I think it only comes with unlocked phones
1:04:56and people I know I've bought on the phone to never had one Oh I bought lock Phones
1:05:00and i always have one like every possible combination of answer I've gotten for people.
1:05:04Yeah I've bought my phones before about license before I've never gotten a little in any of them here like all you only
1:05:12get a similar tool if your phone doesn't come with the same basic like it there's no sim inside the phone
1:05:16when you buy it then you get into a you know I would use a paperclip for the longest time I thought some rouble two was
1:05:21a joke.
1:05:22Yet no these liquid the liquid metal to make it in the middle a good metal thing like out oh yeah I was wondering like
1:05:28what they're going to use that for
1:05:29and that's kind of it so far that the only thing that we know they use for right where we think I don't know if it ever
1:05:33confirm that they use it for it when they look at a liquid metal and I have no idea.
1:05:37Anyway yeah so they bought a whole company just to replace paper clips as much as they as the best place that you could
1:05:44possibly make it seamless. It's really true if you have the material Now really quickly for the record I have received.
1:05:50Definitely one sim removal saw and it was in circling the little half circle
1:05:56and I noticed that what you're describing earlier so that was my experience but.
1:06:00We've had I don't know something like six or seven i Phone stream the two of us over the last few years
1:06:04and I think I've only gotten maybe one of them that never really occurred to me until you were talking about it earlier
1:06:10today.
1:06:11Yeah I think a lot of people telling me they like that they didn't have a little semicircular thing
1:06:15but that it was kind of buried in with like the quote unquote manual
1:06:18or the little paper packets they give you you know and like that it slides down and there is easy to get lost
1:06:22and I could see that happening I don't see it in mine yet but I haven't torn the thing apart that I really care anyway.
1:06:29We did all during the various calls all the rights given to go through all the Grammys most of which I try to read
1:06:34anyway
1:06:35but I was going to humor them because they were doing things on their end early so they were in response to this thing
1:06:39you know trying to find all I often have things turned back on trying it on on cellular
1:06:44and not doing a restore from i Tunes where you put it into recovery mode
1:06:48when flying by the way this is the same time that the I was eight point one point one release came out so people like
1:06:53oh that's what the problem is Apple servers are down because of the release
1:06:57but Apple servers this is all before even call the checkers our service status page I don't mind exhausted my
1:07:02possibilities before calling for writing to him
1:07:04and rather than having to redo a lot of things that I had already done
1:07:06but I'm like well whatever it was nice because I had already downloaded all the software updates so I didn't have to
1:07:10wait for the you know one point nine gig download of virus a one liner whatever was you know before you leave the
1:07:16Verizon topic because I assume they did not fix your problem because they never fix any problems because every time so
1:07:23when I was a horizon was customer for a few years before the i Phone came out.
1:07:27Every time I called horizon to do anything to my account they messed it up like whether it was adding a data plan
1:07:33or moving services like changing things I think question every single time they touch the account they messed it up in
1:07:39some horrible way that would cause me to get like triple billed
1:07:42or they would like remove the plan for the first half of the month that would that was theirs that I be billed at the
1:07:47per minute rate. Like all this crazy stuff they would do everything they did. Screwed something up.
1:07:52Yeah I was kind of afraid to ask him about that because like when I
1:07:55when I did the I did this for me Apple online store which I had to explain to several.
1:08:00People are very confused about this.
1:08:01You know Store want to say Store dot com like that's where I went because they thought I was an Apple retail store
1:08:06likely should have acted that for you before you left the store like no store and
1:08:12when you do that it asks you like are you adding an existing line and I want you to put in the previous number
1:08:16and enter my wife's i Phone Line and all her information
1:08:20and ask for crazy information about your horizon account username your billing password which is different than your
1:08:26regular password.
1:08:28Last four digits of your Social Security number the horizon phone thing has you this is like I think I told the story
1:08:36for the first time I was on a telephone answering tree type thing
1:08:40and I got too many of them want me to say what I wanted to happen
1:08:43and act froze because I was like What do you mean to say.
1:08:47Could they have possibly have a system that you know with a limited vocabulary can deduce Peter
1:08:51and so my brain is just trying to think of like they're like whatever and I think maybe seven
1:08:54or whatever they were going to try to think Is this to be possible or some playing a joke on me
1:08:59but this one I think this is the first one is to me they want to they said Please enter the password for your horizon
1:09:07wireless account.
1:09:09And like I'm calling you want to phone number pad you want me to enter my path
1:09:16but that would reduce the possibilities by like a factor of like I'm trying to do the math in my head of like how many
1:09:23passwords are now hash of the same bucket because like you know that's not going to have three different letters on it.
1:09:30And here's the best thing about that Ari's I got I have to be an old pro this because I called the million times every
1:09:34time it's like sort of figured out their menu system to like hold on is Iraq even speak a certain phrase to get to the
1:09:41voice thing and then get eventually will ask you to enter your eyes
1:09:43and password which you type out on the number pad like just pick whichever number help the letter you want to capital
1:09:51markets don't matter and you know if it's anywhere and his group of letters doesn't matter.
1:09:55Every time I did it the first time it told me the password didn't match I was going to believe the first two is.
1:10:00The times that I had mistyped at the first time
1:10:01but always worked on the second try it's like seventh time I was doing it like you know this never works in the first
1:10:06maybe the first letter is missed because I'm not I don't know what the problem is anyway that their system is very
1:10:11weird.
1:10:12So I did all that stuff and they basically did everything they could do
1:10:15and there are like I exhausted to this I exhausted all support possibilities of rising up because they were not doing
1:10:21what they could
1:10:21but they did everything they could they said this number is active it's active in our system here is what it is here's
1:10:27all you know like your account is in good standing it's connected to the right account it's like just everything as far
1:10:32as they're concerned is working
1:10:34and I was totally willing to believe that because it seemed to me like this the software I'm going through these you
1:10:39know white screens the beginning oh i Phone set up connect to Apple servers to do something.
1:10:44Apple servers and probably connect of rosin servers
1:10:46but the bottom line is I would totally imagine that I was using Apple software on an Apple device that's going to an
1:10:51Apple server and it's giving me a response that says something
1:10:55and I'm getting the you know server is unavailable even though an apple status pages as a server is available so that
1:11:01was the end of horizon
1:11:02and the present helpfully connected me transfer me directly from horizon to an Apple support person to a knowledgeable
1:11:08Apple support person not just like you know if they have a like a direct line in on like the good you know I mean the
1:11:15higher tier support people so I didn't have to go through the lower tier of apples for picking for the higher tier
1:11:19support person
1:11:21and the Apple support person was excellent it was clear they were you know get no voices in the background.
1:11:27Very helpful very professional so I was the top theorising person I gotta say it was a nice they were nice they
1:11:32transfer me over I explained the situation. They looked at everything on there and they have all got started.
1:11:39But explain to me how the system works on their own which I've since forgotten but it's something like gross things
1:11:44or like the i Phone connect to an Apple server the Apple server tries to authenticate with Horizon server
1:11:50and want to get a response back so it can proceed or whatever.
1:11:53It seemed to me that basically if I could if I could have a D.M.'s poison the i Phone and spoof the verizon server
1:11:58and figured out what the correct.
1:12:00Pasty white screens like that everything was fine I guess first rising concern all I need to do is get past the
1:12:05software you know there's probably more to it than that but anyway.
1:12:09They said they can fail
1:12:10but the problem was that they would open a ticket for it to get back to me the next day that was the end of that.
1:12:15Supporting it was like several hours most of it spent on hold or waiting for things I was never that bad.
1:12:21Next day came and you know people gave me the direct number and told the guy told me he was going to be off today
1:12:26but you know said You can call this number.
1:12:29Anyway someone else called me back and they said they figured out what the problem was
1:12:34and it was some problem with I forget
1:12:36but they it's not provisioning profile just in my head from all the Apple developers as you complaining on Twitter all
1:12:41the time like something happened with a profile of a bonus read up on there
1:12:44and then the bottom line it was something that Apple could fix an apple so they didn't fix it
1:12:49and so I tried to i Phone again I got farther
1:12:51and it said your phone number is Bob abroad is that correct I get that's all right
1:12:55and told me it was my phone number and I had the Next button.
1:12:58I still got the error so I had to cough up back again
1:13:00and they said you need to do something special which I don't want to describe because probably some terrible security
1:13:05flaw that they don't want to reveal
1:13:08but anyway there's something special I had to do on the phone to get past that process I did it I got past that process
1:13:13my phone was up and I'm happy so it was
1:13:17but maybe thirty hours thirty six hours after I got the phone plus like maybe three
1:13:23or four hours ahold of various people that I actually did activate my phone the next step of course is to get my old
1:13:30number ported and I began that process of the horizon
1:13:33and I got her number ported to a couple days for it to activate
1:13:36but at least I have a working i Phone right now with a phone number that will soon go away as soon as my old number
1:13:41gets poured All right so how has your life been changed thus far.
1:13:48No although I have the fun ceremony today where like
1:13:50when I got the phone out of the package I didn't put the leather case on the case that I've had for a week
1:13:55or whatever I want to get the phone set up first before is that the case on and I like this is this is a good.
1:14:00When Because if I have to return the storm because of something horrible was wrong with it which by the way I didn't
1:14:05think there was a lot to do or treating I mean once you go to the apples are going to have an Apple retail store
1:14:08but my you know nerd spidey sense is telling me there is nothing wrong as far hardware wise like I can look at it
1:14:15everything worked.
1:14:16Seemed all of the radio seemed to work correctly the sim looked fine like it did not seem like that I need my phone to
1:14:22be swapped all the many people tweeted to me that
1:14:23when they had similar problems they had to get their phones hard to get it activated.
1:14:26I feel like this is all happening on the server side and actually was all happening on the server side.
1:14:31But anyway I was putting off putting the case until is working so I finally got the thing working
1:14:35and you know you got a springboard of it or then finally I could put the case on
1:14:40and now it has become my i Phone case and all and whether his is pretty nice of are does not change my life otherwise.
1:14:47You said more about the case and you have about the fun seriously.
1:14:50Well you know I had an i Phone six vor I know we talked at length about all the sizing things.
1:14:56But I haven't decided I think lower case does make a nice Like I said I've always had a case on my handheld devices so
1:15:03it was not anything new for me in fact it was new for me to use it without a case for a week
1:15:07but I think it definitely improves but the case
1:15:10but this is this is the first time that you're really getting to like move into a phone right.
1:15:14Well I just you know I just started that's like I did when I was a phone
1:15:18and just you know I did set up this new i Phone I find it a restore from i Tunes to find my i Tunes I hate it so much I
1:15:24did a backup of my i Pod Touch right before I knew I was going to do this
1:15:28and I was now going to plug in the i Phone restore from backup and as what do you want to restore from
1:15:33and I see like seven backups. Some of them are like i Phone four G. That I know are like old right.
1:15:39I don't want those but fifty percent of them have dates after them
1:15:43and then a three called John's i Pod Touch that don't have data not alike.
1:15:49Why do some have dates and some don't have dates that make no sense
1:15:52but of course me being a clever long time computer user didn't immediately knew the solution to this problem.
1:15:57Can any of you guess to look at the files and.
1:16:00There modification dates now because the files are
1:16:01and if you know what mobile backups directory looks like there are these big giant hash things you know I want to kind
1:16:06of surprises you just move into an S.S.D.
1:16:08Also how are you still keeping all these backups you can only have the one device you use I have a terabyte S.S.D.
1:16:15I did amazing housecleaning like I move time that I would like all my video and movies this analogy you know
1:16:21and like I have plenty of room left
1:16:23but not like the mobile backups directory is all like the directories are named Big long hexadecimal the other a legal
1:16:29right and right now I know the solution.
1:16:31So all I need to do is plug in my Pod Touch change the name of my i Pod touch something that doesn't exist in a list.
1:16:38Do another backup then does look like raising a menace but that is not how I would call them.
1:16:44That's exactly how do you work for a long enough you learn this is the immediate solution to the problem.
1:16:52I don't care where the actual problem is I don't care why some don't have dates just make work now change it to like
1:16:58you know i Pod Touch This is the one back up and then plug them I thought
1:17:04and they were the one resource I want to start my bother just the moment by the way still did not have a date
1:17:08but that was the right one and then what I learned is for the second handheld device in a row.
1:17:14I'm screwed on my icons because I went from the the you know the three point five inch i Pod Touch to the four inch an
1:17:23extra row of icons and I just went from the four inch the sex and I next row icons again so I spent a while tonight.
1:17:30Rearranging now accounts trying to figure out how I'm going to fill it out
1:17:32and basically rearranging everything into beans
1:17:34and within the new thumb sweep so I go top row is dead to me now I got to take all the things that he's done up there
1:17:39because they were important like Safari was upper left stars not upper left anymore.
1:17:43So wait so this is this is even more I think revealing than that you that you leave the camera shutter sound on you're
1:17:50saying you don't leave any empty rows and that you actually hate empty rows so much that you fill them when they occur.
1:17:55Why would I leave the room as my back of my US background has always been complete black.
1:18:00There is nothing behind my account.
1:18:01It's complete black
1:18:03but my lock screen is a picture of my dog is it your extended dog it is it is an extended dog by extended dogs I forget
1:18:10who it was but someone with photoshop skills extent of the background of the dog picture I had
1:18:14and finally I got to use it.
1:18:17So as my lock screen
1:18:18but my home screen is all black why would I leave an empty road specially Enduro at the bottom that's prime thumb
1:18:23reaching area.
1:18:24Well well the argument in the past has been both it looks nice
1:18:28and also can give you like some like forgiving a dead swipe zone if you want to look for between pages more easily that
1:18:35you don't need a swipe So when you grab anywhere and swipe it will.
1:18:38I've never actually launch an app for swiping conjuring.
1:18:42Never not once No you don't you don't need to swipe but it helps it's nice.
1:18:46It may make you feel better but like Have you ever accidentally launch an app I try as on a swipe.
1:18:51Probably not
1:18:53but I was leaving them to the end of the row as the only the only purpose for an empty row is what we discussed in the
1:18:58past shows if you have a picture like your kids or something you want to see your beautiful background or a sunset
1:19:03or whatever you want to see more of the picture as the only I think we can reason for the empty room swipe area does
1:19:09not strike me as a legitimate reason.
1:19:11I keep an empty row at the bottom as well and I believe it's because markets said something else
1:19:15or you know let me try that and especially with the new phone.
1:19:19I really think pretty much anything I use on a regular basis is indeed on the first screen with the with the empty row
1:19:28but the empty row has to be on the bottom doesn't it you can't do them here on the top right now which would do well
1:19:33you can if you use underscores the black icons are right that should tell you like the fact we had to use black icons
1:19:39like what were you getting out of that
1:19:41and the row I gave doesn't even make it like symmetrical if you still have a dock at the bottom right.
1:19:46It's you know I don't know I just feel like it looks cleaner that way.
1:19:49It makes no logical sense I'll be the first to tell you but I'm not I just I like it better that way
1:19:55and like I said anything that I use on a regular basis is on that first screen.
1:20:00Now with the empty road you get a bigger foam but you don't put a row and that's when I know I
1:20:05but I added a row so I have one more row than I used to run because I don't have an empty one.
1:20:10You could always not buy one or.
1:20:12Yeah exactly as they were not back filled I had had to promote a bunch of new things to the front page
1:20:17and I have a bunch out in the president to use them much so what did you promote
1:20:20or you will ensure I put the reader on the front page even though I basically only read that I'm i Pad I put instagram
1:20:27i front page I guess I do use that a lot.
1:20:30Yeah have you ever posted a picture of Instagram if you followed me you'd know that I could swear you know what I do
1:20:36not like a grand total of five pictures things through
1:20:39but I look at other people's pictures space going to doing what else on the front page I have all now you have an i
1:20:45Phone Now you actually can take a picture of your breakfast every morning and put it out is not going to change.
1:20:51Having an i Phone will not change my habit of not posting pictures from my life that is not not what I do.
1:20:57Usually you can make an artistic statement and just post a blank black picture every day.
1:21:01No Are you searching on Instagram.
1:21:04No I have I forget woman's name is like every Very I joined so late because I was not you know I didn't have an i Phone
1:21:11I mean it is true
1:21:12but how much on Instagram which is like two years ago I think every variation of my name was taken so I am some big
1:21:18long crazy thing I'll send it on even if I follow you I fall Margo Tivo thinks I don't know if I should follow you now
1:21:25you're going to post something I'd be interested in what baby
1:21:28or you know maybe pictures instead of like concentration of your food.
1:21:31My tolerance for montage of pictures of what people are eating is very low.
1:21:35No no no if you look at my Instagram feed profile whatever it's actually very little food
1:21:39but an extraordinary amount of cars and I should I should do that or give me a C.
1:21:46or Maybe I am following them I say I can't kill seems to be like on the bottom little house magnifying glass on a
1:21:53square hard favorite thing people who know my following I'm going to guess that they hit the people like on the right.
1:22:00OK I got it. No wait no that's just me.
1:22:02It's you know in the oval right followers twenty six
1:22:05and following twenty six people who are top twenty six that's actually a button we have a new segment on the show just
1:22:10John does U.I. Review of an app. Well they are alphabetical it looks like what is you case us. Yeah I'm following you.
1:22:20Oh and you are the way may I share your name or is it a secret as they go to see all five Mr John C. Searches.
1:22:28Yeah and I was already following you and I do recall the beach pictures now that I'm looking at them again.
1:22:34Posted ten pictures total lifetime.
1:22:36Now is that like a firm cap or you plan posing any more ever or do you want to keep it
1:22:40or not I don't think I'm doing Instagram right because all these pictures were not taken with an eye with the bun
1:22:46that's not true.
1:22:46Couple I'm ready to buy sperm most of them were taken with my cancer prism camera when I was on vacation
1:22:52and some of them are
1:22:53but the first one is a scan of a picture in one nine hundred seventy nine so that wasn't taken with an i Phone
1:22:59and i definitely have started cheating and using the Micro Four Thirds camera that that we got
1:23:08and posting some of those pictures Instagram which I will be the first tell you is indeed cheating
1:23:13but I don't really care I don't understand why that's cheating.
1:23:15Like are you sharing images from your life
1:23:17or is are you is it like a video game where you're trying to use your crappy camera that's your I.O.'s device take good
1:23:22pictures.
1:23:23I'm not interested in the video game only interested in the pictures from people's life
1:23:28and that's why I've started cheating and I you know I'm not being repentant about it
1:23:32but what we're complain about Instagram by the way I'm I the only person in the entire world that reads Instagram like
1:23:38I read Twitter.
1:23:40I would think this would be a more common thing you know Twitter the Twitter application I use
1:23:45when I launch it puts me where I last left off and I can scroll retreat retreat
1:23:50and then you know hit the home screen and you know I'm back right when I launch it again.
1:23:55It's right where I left off and it obviously two days I'm going to be missing stuff and go you know within like.
1:24:00Fifteen twenty minutes an hour two hours.
1:24:03If it picks up where I left off every time I wanted to Gram it's Girls me to the top
1:24:07and I have to scroll backwards seventy five pictures to find out like Did people think I don't care about the people I
1:24:12thought I'm not interested in seeing the pictures.
1:24:14What the point of the application I follow you because I want to see the pictures now I had to scroll backwards until I
1:24:19find the one picture of like whatever you know a tree
1:24:21or something that I liked was the last picture I saw the worst part is because a lot of people tweet the same things
1:24:26they put an Instagram so I can see that picture really I must be up to that point
1:24:29but no because I just want to get it on Twitter.
1:24:31Basic functionality for Instagram to the billion dollar company they can send me back to where I was the last time I
1:24:37went to the application or doesn't want to.
1:24:38I could not agree more and actually ended up being worth a lot less than a billion as Facebook stock tanked.
1:24:43Whatever point is they can retain a little bit more state and they are now that that does drive me absolutely nuts.
1:24:50The not holding your position thing.
1:24:53I've never read a complaint about that either I follow a lot of people who are heavy Instagram users are apparently
1:24:58other people don't use Instagram the way I do know I do.
1:25:00When you and I are of the same mold cut from the same old one of the phrase is and I agree with you.
1:25:06They broke the cloth when they made us Casey you know that too. Whatever I know I'm the worst I don't really care.
1:25:14We get John in vine. Don't get me started on vine because vine vine the Vine app is like the Instagram app.
1:25:21A little bit worse in almost every regard.
1:25:24Remember when vine first came out people would tweet vines and you could tap the vine your L.
1:25:31and It would launch in Safari.
1:25:32Oh that's right we didn't think of it on your on your i Pad and you couldn't watch the vine.
1:25:37Yep and I feel like a leisurely on the i Pad I think at some time some vines would have to play
1:25:43and I was like How long does this go on. Months a lot longer than it should have.
1:25:47Yeah and this was it was what like twenty twelve or something like the i Pad to be out for a while at that point
1:25:52and it was like I guess the market's not important we don't want people in Iowa to be able to watch our vines
1:25:57when someone tweets them when I thought it was not.
1:26:00Bother making this this thing work in mobile Safari it's a minor browser we're not interested in
1:26:05and you will never forget how you go through moments like moments where I'm really and they emerge with fine
1:26:13but those moments last like forty five seconds when I think of something clever to vine
1:26:17and then I almost have no use for it outside of that
1:26:23and it seems like a great idea just never really used to it I don't see myself ever posting a vine sometimes you can
1:26:30see ones that are clever but I just feel like I do and you tube instead. Well it's a very different thing.
1:26:37I know
1:26:37but like at least You Tube has a client ecosystem where I feel confident that I can watch what you produce instead of
1:26:45it being some sort of game or have to try to get my try to get your thirty second movie to play or three seconds
1:26:51or ten seconds.
1:26:53It's the occurrence of the other silly I hate watching it on You Tube because You Tube is such garbage itself like the
1:26:59experience of what's known as terrible it always covered all the little rectangles an ad
1:27:03and everything the apps are terrible
1:27:05and like like there I know there's all this great stuff going on in the You Tube ecosystem of this great like so I even
1:27:11have like a few things I subscribe to because like things like I aspirational we want to watch youtube frequently so I
1:27:18never actually do.
1:27:19But there's you know funny stuff like C G P Grey's this is new video like it's like stuff I want to follow
1:27:27and I just never go to You Tube to watch it because I just hate I hate everything on the I hate everything about you do
1:27:33they have the You Tube out my want to play with each of ads as they did then opposite Instapaper where I want to I want
1:27:40to be using You Tube like I use Instapaper which is probably not a healthy way either
1:27:43but it's the way you use it where everything I look at that I'm interested in like I don't have time to read that now
1:27:47but I will read later and I do it like crazy so much so that my Instapaper queue is gigantic
1:27:53and I know I'm never going to get like things go by like I just keep shoving on this cue every once in a while I go
1:27:58back through it and read the part of their thing.
1:28:00I'm never going to go back to
1:28:01but the key feature of Instapaper with regard to his work flow is they want to launch the app.
1:28:06The thing at the top of the app is the most recent thing that I added so gives me a fighting chance.
1:28:11You Tube On the other hand puts things in the watch later thing at the end.
1:28:15So when I watch the youtube application go to my watch waiting list I have to scroll
1:28:19and then it says Click here for more load.
1:28:22Scroll Click here for more load scroll Click here for more loads and then I get down to the one I added like
1:28:29and it's just ridiculous.
1:28:30I think I may have one hundred
1:28:31and something in my watch later queue which I think is not unreasonable considering the size of my Instapaper gear
1:28:37which Margot knew when he was running the thing and probably doesn't want to know now it's ridiculous
1:28:40but it really hampers my ability to go I still do it because I still go back down there to get stuff
1:28:46and then after I watch some I tried to lead them from the watch later queue
1:28:49and you do that tells me it was an error trying to delete them and I try to remind them out on the web interface later.
1:28:54Nice Now what I would recommend is because I only follow followers supporters words
1:29:00but I only subscribe to a couple of You Tube channels.
1:29:06Ray being one and Whiskers is better elevations another and what I'd done is gone to their video page
1:29:14or what you like their uploads page and then grabbed an R.S.S.
1:29:18Feed from there and just stuck that in feed Wrangler
1:29:20and I find that that works pretty well because I just you know is another R.S.S.
1:29:24Item whereas if I had to go to like the You Tube app in order to to check these things out I would I would never watch
1:29:30them they have to think great
1:29:32but like I just got a bunch of channels too like some of the ones you mentioned also via Hart's channels great
1:29:38and secret via our via our channel
1:29:40and what is it that people like this one that is infrequently updated as to how much good things this is scribe to
1:29:47about like You Tube has this problem where it's really good a related search is because my children navigate You Tube
1:29:53entirely by going to one video that leads to another that is there and and it works amazing.
1:30:00Either you can find just because one thing led to the nother they click on something interest them
1:30:03and is entirely viable way it's like their version of channel surfing instead of a slot into the channels or whatever.
1:30:09It amazes me the things they find through this you know sort of word association thing without ever typing anything all
1:30:13they do is click so that works great but
1:30:16when I find something that says like you know how to you know cook some meal part three of seven.
1:30:23Like show me where the other parts are sometimes they're very related like it's amazingly good at showing you here is
1:30:29part four part five part one
1:30:31but doing this in part to people like for you know an outlier the person who put out these videos is trying to give you
1:30:37the meditator like if you put a field that said like maybe this field exist people just don't use it I don't know that
1:30:41said this is a multi-part series and this is part two give me arrow keys are shown those are called playlists
1:30:47and they exist or whatever
1:30:48but any time I land on one of those like it should know if it's part one of the title I want the other parts in it the
1:30:53people didn't enter the metadata and didn't make the post you can do that for me the telling or for assuring
1:30:57and trying to search for part two when you've got all the other parts
1:31:01and you just can't find it because you know it doesn't come up in the search and it's not related videos
1:31:05and it's just you know things could be improved greatly.
1:31:08I understand your frustration with the interface but my I guess that my bottom line is can I watch the video and
1:31:14when I watch You Tube video is better and I was device you just make it full screen everything's black anyway.
1:31:18So that's I feel like I can see the content if I can somehow find it so you really love You Tube and Instagram.
1:31:27I like youtube more than vinyl they are that.